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Speaker 1: My next guest, you know, you know I was reading.

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Speaker 1: start out this. My next is an accomplished producer, philanthropists,

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Speaker 1: actress and singer, Holly Robinson Pete. She's on the show

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Speaker 1: to talk about her new her news two new Hallmark

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Speaker 1: holiday movies. She did two last year's. She was on

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Speaker 1: welcome a good friend to money making conversation Holly Robinson Pete. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: First of all, let me you're gonna put some respect

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Speaker 1: You know we're not when I look at your career

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Speaker 1: and we ran into a couple of weird Hollywood things,

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Speaker 1: but that we weren't able to continue. But relationships we

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Speaker 1: got along. Well we were you we laughing. They had

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Speaker 1: great you know, they had really great um you know,

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Speaker 1: fond memories of just being on set with me, and

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Speaker 1: then they hit me up and said, hey, what are

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Speaker 1: you doing? And I told him about the Hallmark stuff

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Speaker 1: and and they hit me up and said, hey, um,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel about um coming onto the show.

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Speaker 1: We've had some cash changes and we need to um

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Speaker 1: have you know, just sort of spice it up for

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Speaker 1: the fifth season. Well, I happened to actually really love

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Speaker 1: the show. Is very, very funny. And then I worked

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Speaker 1: before with Katie Mixon, who's the star of the show,

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Speaker 1: and I was She's a barely talented actress. And again

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Speaker 1: relationships we got along super well on Mike and Molly.

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Speaker 1: I was only on that show for thirteen episodes, but um,

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Speaker 1: we vibed. And so it all comes back again. Here

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Speaker 1: like fifteen years from like family. Um, and then these

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Speaker 1: same people are still working and they look back and

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Speaker 1: they go, oh, let's let's let's call Holly and see

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Speaker 1: what she's doing. So I love that. I started this week.

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Speaker 1: I was nervous for Sean. My my comedy muscles were

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Speaker 1: a little active. So you know how that goes. That's

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Speaker 1: a vibe, that's a that's an energy that grew if

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Speaker 1: you gotta get in. So I was very glad to

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Speaker 1: get that going again. But felt very supported by just

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Speaker 1: the actors and the crew and the and the writers.

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Speaker 1: So but but you know, covid is it's a different

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Speaker 1: It's there actually a little bit more strict about everything

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Speaker 1: you touched, every face you touch, every prop you touch.

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Speaker 1: So it is very interesting being unset and it's a

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Speaker 1: little limiting. Um, so you really have to pull out

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Speaker 1: your A game and be ready to go with those

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Speaker 1: cameras roll because that's the only time you can have

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Speaker 1: your mask off. You don't really get proper rehearsal with

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Speaker 1: your co stars. So you gotta bring a step up

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Speaker 1: up to your A game as as much as you can.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations again, Uh Christmas, Doctor hallmar Challengel December five, Christmas

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Speaker 1: and Evergreen the new season the fifth season of America's

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Speaker 1: Housewife on ABC. And how much credit is yours that

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Speaker 1: dynamic young son of yours is taking for the for

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Speaker 1: the world champion Los Angeles Dogs, And how much credit

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Speaker 1: is he taking? Oh my goodness, this boy, it's so happy.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a happy but I posted on my

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Speaker 1: Instagram his in real time response when that last out

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Speaker 1: lose it. I knew it was about it was about

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Speaker 1: to get it, and so I took the video and

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Speaker 1: it was so good, and then he dropped the F

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Speaker 1: bomb and I was like, oh, shoot that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: he said, that's what you learned in that clubhouse. But

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Speaker 1: he was so excited. You know, Sean, many people know

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Speaker 1: that my son r J, who's twenty three now, when

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Speaker 1: he was three, he was told he would never have

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Speaker 1: meaningful employment and so to be hired by the World

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Speaker 1: Champion Dodgers is a really great thing. And then remember

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Speaker 1: he's had to go through the last five six years

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Speaker 1: working with them with all these get to the championship

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Speaker 1: and not win it. So that's been a stress and

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Speaker 1: you know, hard on him. He's the guy in the

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Speaker 1: clubhouse that gets the room all set up with the champagne,

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Speaker 1: so he's had a couple couple of times he had

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Speaker 1: to role that champagne back and that was so painful

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Speaker 1: for him. Um, but really, you know, this is a

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Speaker 1: group of guys that have embraced him and for him

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Speaker 1: to be able to say, you know, he's are he

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Speaker 1: already has to nationally championship rings and now he gets

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Speaker 1: to get a World Series. Are you walking around like

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Speaker 1: Magic Johnson? Huh, that's what you're doing, you walking all

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Speaker 1: these rings. You know what I'm saying. This guy is like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just love it. So I'm so proud

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Speaker 1: of him. I'm grateful to the Dodgers. I'm really always

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Speaker 1: advocating for corporations and other sports teams to hire young people,

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Speaker 1: hire people with autism and special needs and intellectual differences

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Speaker 1: because they can be an amazing employee for you. So please,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you if you have a chance to

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Speaker 1: hire someone, don't um not consider someone who might be

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Speaker 1: on the spectrum or have down syndrome. They might be

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Speaker 1: someplace that will light your workplace up in a way

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Speaker 1: that you just didn't know. They can be a blessing

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Speaker 1: and your bomne to you know, to your bottom line.

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes even just making sometimes your bottom line

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Speaker 1: increases when you have that kind of diversity in your workplace. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's stereotype because of the fact

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Speaker 1: that you know, people on know what they think they

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Speaker 1: know or what they hear, and it can limit the

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Speaker 1: possibility to what an individual can accomplish, can achieve. And

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Speaker 1: and that's why you know your your foundation has been

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Speaker 1: so amazing. I want to read this word for word.

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Speaker 1: The Holly Rod Foundation has recently partnered with other foundations

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Speaker 1: to create Delivering Jobs, an initiative with a goal to

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Speaker 1: create one million jobs for people with autisms, autism, special needs,

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Speaker 1: and other intellectual differences. Tell us about that, and it's

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Speaker 1: because it sounds amazing that it sounds like another major

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Speaker 1: leap forward in your relationship that you built over the years.

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Speaker 1: The foundation, the structure that you and your husband has big.

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Speaker 1: That's what Holly Rod means. Rodney Pete, Holly, Holly Robinson Pete.

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Speaker 1: That's why they get the name Holly Rod Foundation. I've

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Speaker 1: I made my share of donations when it's right, and

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Speaker 1: they got a vaccine coming out there. So I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: we would do it live again in one you know,

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Speaker 1: and my my wife and I would be out there.

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Speaker 1: It's just amazing what you're doing. So talk about this

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Speaker 1: initiative right it, Yes, delivering Jobs is something I'm so

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Speaker 1: proud of Holly Rod partnered with um Best Buddies, Autisms Speak,

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Speaker 1: Special Olympics to do this huge initiative to create a

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Speaker 1: million jobs for these young people. Now, obviously um COVID

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Speaker 1: just changed everybody's plans and so now you know, we're

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Speaker 1: sort of shifting our focus. Maybe it won't be a

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Speaker 1: billion jobs, who knows, maybe it will be less than that.

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Speaker 1: But the idea is to get corporations to get on

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Speaker 1: board with hiring in this part of the community where

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Speaker 1: the unemployment rate is above huvers around. So we have

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Speaker 1: to try to just get people to consider hiring these

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Speaker 1: amazing individuals. Um Every single time I post something on

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Speaker 1: social media or treat something out about Oh thank you

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Speaker 1: Dodgers for giving r J this chance, They all of them,

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Speaker 1: the manager Dave Roberts to all the star players will

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Speaker 1: all hit me back. You go, I want you stop

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Speaker 1: thinking us because we're the ones that needs to thank

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Speaker 1: you for our j. You don't understand when we have

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Speaker 1: hard times that we come in that clubhouse. R J

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Speaker 1: is always tapping us up and chucking it out with

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Speaker 1: us and counting us out, and he's never not in

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Speaker 1: a great mood, and he lifts us up and so

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Speaker 1: so that that is a testament to how these young

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Speaker 1: people can bring not just diversity, but happiness and joy

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Speaker 1: to your workforce. Uh and so and so Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: delivering jobs has been horrific. We just started this initiative recently.

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Speaker 1: And yes, I'm hoping that the pandemic will simmer down

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Speaker 1: and will be able to be back up and running. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We did get hit hard with Holly rod um By

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Speaker 1: by COVID, Uh, really hard. We can't really function at

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Speaker 1: our J's place like we want to UM, which is

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Speaker 1: our Autism center in l A where we help people

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Speaker 1: UM get jobs and connect them with opportunities and training. UM.

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Speaker 1: But you know what we're we We have some beautiful partners.

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Speaker 1: Signa is one of them, and Walgreens some really great

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Speaker 1: partners that have stuck with us even through this lean

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Speaker 1: time that have kept us afloat UM. But yes, hopefully

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Speaker 1: we'll be able to get design Care back up again

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Speaker 1: next year and you and your wife we will come

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Speaker 1: back out and we can get things going. But we

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Speaker 1: got a lot of work to do. Everybody, keep your

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Speaker 1: masks on, stay safe, and you know, remember it's the

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Speaker 1: greater good. We have to do this together to get anyway.

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Speaker 1: And I want to mention you wenttion to word diversity,

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Speaker 1: and I want to give a shout out to Dave Roberts,

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Speaker 1: African American who is the coach, I mean the manager

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Speaker 1: or the world champion in Los Angeles Dodgers. You know

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Speaker 1: there are only two African American managers in Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 1: That's Dave Roberts and Dusty Baker of the Houston Nastros.

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Speaker 1: But more importantly, I'm talking to a friend who has

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Speaker 1: always shown me a high level of professionalism, as always

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Speaker 1: greeted me with respect, always told as an uplift me.

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Speaker 1: She always says, I always the uplifting her. But she's

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Speaker 1: always up to me. And she has too fantastic movie

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Speaker 1: projects coming out on Hallmark. It's called December fifth, would

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Speaker 1: be Christmas and Evergreen and Christmas Doctor. But more importantly,

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Speaker 1: if you get ready to get your laugh one ready

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Speaker 1: to get your laugh on America's hofwait because she already

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Speaker 1: told me. You know, she had to come in and

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Speaker 1: get wound up a little bit. This in the fifth season.

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Speaker 1: They brought on the show just to get didn't you say,

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Speaker 1: you know they wanted to put a little a little flair,

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Speaker 1: and that's why they brought you up for the show.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to put a little spice. They ain't the

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Speaker 1: work in the word you say spice in the show.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, cool? You know, like like like Thanksgiving turkey,

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Speaker 1: you know, get that big old, that big old injection

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Speaker 1: and put that garlic in there and put that butt

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Speaker 1: in there and they get it all right and brown

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Speaker 1: and gold, and that's what you're doing right there for

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Speaker 1: American House, my friend, thank you. We're gonna promote again.

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Speaker 1: You know how I do it. Uh, when I run this,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop this on YouTube. I'm gonna put it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna run the trailer doing our interview and do

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Speaker 1: a split screen on it and put your at your

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Speaker 1: periodically they're to me more photos. So we get this

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Speaker 1: up this weekend to get this promoted for the show

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Speaker 1: coming out. And then I'm on my my for the

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Speaker 1: show just coming out December fifth, and we come out

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Speaker 1: December five. I'm gonna run that trailer and my fan

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Speaker 1: club or what it was my other social media. So

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Speaker 1: you know how I do it. When Holly drops in

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Speaker 1: on Money Make Conversation, we do it big here. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. I'm always so happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: And and you know, if you ever get tired at

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Speaker 1: that great stephen A opening, let me know if you

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Speaker 1: want me to sing the I'm you mess with me

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Speaker 1: because you know I got I got my my company,

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Speaker 1: my company voicemail and so I'm so I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna send it to you and I'm gonna ask you

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Speaker 1: to cut my voicemail for my company. It's it's it's

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Speaker 1: because I'm doing Boller this year. If I can get

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Speaker 1: Holly Robinson Pete to do my voice mail voice over,

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Speaker 1: I am balla ballicious, ball delicious. Okay, you stay, start

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Speaker 1: with my friends we talked to and tell your husband

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Speaker 1: how you know, how about I love him? I will,

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Speaker 1: I will say to your wife, love you guys. We'll

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Speaker 1: be right back with more from Marsa McDonald and money

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Speaker 1: making conversations don't touch that. Oregan donations save lives, and

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Speaker 1: some organs can even be donated by a living donor.

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Speaker 1: August is National Minority Donor Awareness Months. So let's check

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Speaker 1: in with Dr Denay Simpson, Assistant Professor of surgery at

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Speaker 1: Northwestern Medicine, tell us about the African American Transplant Access Program.

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Speaker 1: So this is my baby. This is a program that

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Speaker 1: Wow is Tarmaron Hall, her popular syndicated show, which has

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you did better than Wikipedia and my mother.

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Speaker 1: You're good. I'm a Texas boy, born and raged in Houston, Texas,

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Speaker 1: how's life treating you right now? Being an Emmy Award

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Speaker 1: I'm good. My family is healthy, my son is healthy,

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Speaker 1: and I have the show and a platforms just like

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Speaker 1: you to use our voice in the right way. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's really important, I know. You know, I launched Steve

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Speaker 1: Show and all those to the things. So I know

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Speaker 1: have to get into to do affortive two minute show

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Speaker 1: at least five days a week. I mean, I know

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Speaker 1: It is. I mean, it's no joke. You have got

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Speaker 1: to constantly focus on the moment, focus on the guests.

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Speaker 1: It's rewarding because I'm so proud of the conversations that

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Speaker 1: we've been able to have on the show. Um from

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Speaker 1: UM to me, into the show and to the people

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Speaker 1: daytime talk show because most important, it has my name, UM,

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Speaker 1: safely and implementing UM safeguards to keep the show back

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Speaker 1: and to be a new mom. On top of that,

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Speaker 1: even get more into the talk. So I try to

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Speaker 1: do a little extra research and find interesting things. And

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Speaker 1: I went to your Instagram account and I saw something

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Speaker 1: exactly is that? Why is that important you because it's

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Speaker 1: on your Instagram account. Yeah, it's it's a partnership that

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Speaker 1: homes with abusers because they don't want to leave their

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Speaker 1: you could not and would not believe. Right now, there

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Speaker 1: bring their pets with them. I toward you know you

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Speaker 1: Each little you know cage had a pet of family

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Speaker 1: because for so many of us, our pets are family members.

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Speaker 1: So I partner with PUNA to bring attention to that

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Speaker 1: component of the domestic violence conversation. And it's really important.

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Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to bring it out because I

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Speaker 1: this episode is going to add before November thirty. And

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Speaker 1: Instagram account telling Tamra and I have what you're so

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Speaker 1: thankful for and I wanted to promote that in my newsletter.

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Speaker 1: I said, that's so cute. So the reason I like

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Speaker 1: your show so much is that you you you feel organic,

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Speaker 1: and you feel relatable, and that tam Fam thanksgiving contests

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Speaker 1: now doing the pandemic and no stimulus package is a

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Speaker 1: and it's for us, any opportunity to share the love

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Speaker 1: and to give people just a little thank you. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: But for us, any opportunity to mind people that family matters.

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Speaker 1: We were just saying the other day, you know, you

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Speaker 1: won't be able to have dinner with those that you love,

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean you still can't enjoy a good meal.

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Speaker 1: So we're even doing a recipe, bringing some of your

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Speaker 1: my Mama's banana pudding. I can't be with heart. We

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Speaker 1: just about having fun what we can, you know, embracing

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Speaker 1: the tough days, but you know, hanging on to the

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Speaker 1: And and you see the COVID just flying off the

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Speaker 1: charts right now. And like I had a big celebration

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Speaker 1: I was gonna do with my office. I do it

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Speaker 1: every year. I do a big celebration for my staff,

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Speaker 1: for people in the business in Atlanta and uh and

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Speaker 1: on Monday I was gonna do it that Monday of

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving them. I told my staff today, I don't think

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it this year because of COVID and eighteen.

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Speaker 1: How has that? I know you show what virtual but personally,

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Speaker 1: how did it affect to you and how you've been

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Speaker 1: What responsibility you feel you playing all that, Tamra. I mean, well, listen,

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Speaker 1: when our show first halted production mid May because the

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Speaker 1: daytime talk show, at my core, I'm a reporter for

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Speaker 1: thirty years. One of the most life changing interviews that

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Speaker 1: wishes of the mayor, who was concerned that we didn't

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Speaker 1: And so here was this amazing woman in the midst

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Speaker 1: and deal with. Even though we're not comfortable, we have

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Speaker 1: and that whole environment is even more scary for you, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, but I try to I'm a person of

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Speaker 1: faith also, I'm a person who believes in science like you,

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Speaker 1: you know. But I know that we will get on

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Speaker 1: the other side of this, and I know that, you know,

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00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: I think about his generation and what we will be

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Speaker 1: able to share with them, um regarding how we survived it,

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Speaker 1: making conversations. I'm your host, Sean McDonald. Well, let's get

894
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Speaker 1: to this Emmy and world ward. When you showed that

895
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Speaker 1: you host the Daytime Emmy and when you won, you know,

896
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. I got my two, and I'm

897
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: proud of my two. I got a couple of UH

898
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: Image Awards to go along with it. What was your

899
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: feeling when you wanted to Emmy for informative talk show?

900
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I never saw it coming. I never

901
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: imagined that I was at the home with my fail

902
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: with you. How it feels. It's like yes, of course

903
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: your name is Niting. There's a part of you want

904
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: to win, but you prepare yourself for In my case,

905
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: it's my first season, there's no way. Um, you know

906
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: other shows, you know, the view is then it and

907
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: this one's in it, and there's just that is not

908
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: gonna happen. So I had accepted just the honor of

909
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: Vietnam needed in my first season. That's my prize. You

910
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: know that that was my win. And I had forgotten

911
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: that it was even on I was home with my mother,

912
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: she was with us and my husband and my child,

913
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: and I was getting ready to go to bed because

914
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: it was late at night. It was virtual, and I

915
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'm I can't I'm too tired to

916
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: stay up to watch. And I got a call from

917
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Speaker 1: my friends and they said, oh, congratulations, emmy winner. And

918
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, whatever, what are you talking about? Like you

919
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: want I'm like, it's crazy. We're all screaming in my house.

920
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: It was great. You know, It's just one of those

921
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: things that happened that you don't expect and it's such

922
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: a source of pride, but it also reminds you to

923
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Speaker 1: keep working. You know that that's one stop now let's

924
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: let's continue, and let's prove that the Emmy you have

925
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: is one that you've earned and deserve and you just

926
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Speaker 1: keep going. That's why I compare it to, you know,

927
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Speaker 1: being in the NBA Finals. If it's one game, you're

928
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Speaker 1: in and out, but it's a seer and you've got

929
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Speaker 1: to win the series, and we look at it as

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Speaker 1: winning the series. Congratulations. He was a note. I picked

931
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Speaker 1: up it at Tamarin Hall. Leaps In fall, the sophomore

932
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: Talker unleashed the largest leap of all syndicated shows, and

933
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: the season ending October twenty skyrocket and twenty to a

934
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: new season high households and shooting up thirty and the

935
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Speaker 1: Key Women demo that you know, I've been in this game.

936
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Speaker 1: I know what that means. That that's really you know,

937
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: you can't ask for to come into the second season

938
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Speaker 1: with that type of reaction. What are you doing? And

939
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: is it just uh, what the work you put in

940
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: doing COVID and not giving up and doing virtual to

941
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: come back with those type of number twenty percent leap

942
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: and thirty three percent leap. You know, I think it's

943
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: a combo of things. I think, first of all, I

944
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: learned in the first season to lean in, as they

945
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: say to who I Am, you know again in TV

946
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 1: and people will come in and they'll say, Oh, that's

947
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: a great idea, but let me change you are that

948
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Speaker 1: it's a great idea, but let's do this. I learned,

949
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Speaker 1: especially during the pandemic two, own the idea and the

950
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: intention of the show that I pitched and sold. I'm

951
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Speaker 1: also lucky that I ended up with Candy Carter as

952
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Speaker 1: my executive producer. She was the COEP at The View

953
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: and she worked with Oprah for twenty plus years on

954
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Speaker 1: the open win for show when it was in Chicago.

955
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Speaker 1: And so Candy came who by the way, it was

956
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: introduced to me by Tyler the Perry. She came with

957
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: such a skill set of storytelling, and she saw the

958
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Speaker 1: vision and she agreed with the vision of talking with people.

959
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Speaker 1: We didn't have to, you know, rush in a bunch

960
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: of tricks and a bunch of things that just didn't

961
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: resonate or matter. She and I said, we're gonna lean

962
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Speaker 1: in and we're gonna have a conversation. We're gonna give

963
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: an entire hour to Andrew Gellum and his wife because

964
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Speaker 1: people will sit down and watch it. You know, the

965
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: notion that the attention span is so short that you

966
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Speaker 1: have to just blood the show with sixteen thousand different topics,

967
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: and you know, we decided that we were going to

968
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: bet on the idea that people would sit down for

969
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Speaker 1: the hour and settle in and watch the show. And

970
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: we've seen that resonate. We've seen people come in for

971
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 1: the Tamar Braxton interview that we did exclusively and watch

972
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Speaker 1: the entire interview, which was almost forty minutes, because we

973
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Speaker 1: could have gone on even longer. To be honest with you,

974
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Speaker 1: how do you have someone on with such a complicated

975
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Speaker 1: situation and rushed them in three questions and out? And

976
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: I think that happens far too often. And we decided

977
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Speaker 1: that that was not going to be the lane we occupy.

978
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: We were going to challenge the idea that people will

979
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: sit down and they will have a conversation. It worked

980
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: out in the kinds of guests we now get. We

981
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: had Matthew McConaughey on for almost an hour of our

982
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: show talking about his new memoir and revealing very intimate

983
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: details about his life because I think people now know

984
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: this is where I can go and I can have

985
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Speaker 1: a conversation and also plug whatever I'm working on. But

986
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Speaker 1: I can actually come and talk, you know, Gabrielle Union,

987
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Speaker 1: Dennis Quaid, Whoopi goldberg edifil called, Kelly Reeba, Ryan Seacris,

988
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Speaker 1: Venus Williams. That's a that's when when when I was

989
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: just talking to my listeners and viewers right now, when

990
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Speaker 1: I say how difficult it is to go from a

991
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: Tracy Morgan who was very funny, you know, to a

992
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: Venus Well which is one of the all time great

993
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Speaker 1: tennis players too, this is what we're talking about when

994
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Speaker 1: we say the difficult nature of prepping and being emotionally

995
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: engaged with your guests. That's the fascinating That's that's that's

996
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: the most fascinating part about being a daytime talk show

997
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: Home Correct and being renewed for the third season, cot listen.

998
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: I felt that same way when I was in, you know,

999
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: in the news business. Um, which is incredible that you

1000
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: end up, Um, you know what's what's it's it's you

1001
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: can't make your day up. You know, as a reporter,

1002
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: I go in, I know this asignment I'm going to have,

1003
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Speaker 1: but I can't tell you the twist and turns of

1004
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: that assignment, where is it gonna go? And with this show,

1005
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: it's the same way. You know, if that's the exhilarating part.

1006
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,479
Speaker 1: I sometimes I know the question I'm going to ask,

1007
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: but I have no idea how that person is going

1008
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: to answer the question. And that just sets the stage

1009
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Speaker 1: for an exciting day and one that I think I

1010
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: just I leave exhilarated. I leave knowing more than I

1011
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: knew when I went in, and sometimes even being inspired.

1012
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: Many times I should say being inspired. Now you interviewed

1013
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: the Vice person elect Kamala Harris and seeing her her

1014
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: speak before President Elect Joseph Biden, um, move me out

1015
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: of a daughter or have six sisters? I know how

1016
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Speaker 1: powerful and how the black woman or the woman of

1017
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: color can. We expect a lot from you guys, and

1018
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't get a lot in return, especially in

1019
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. How moving was it? And just seeing

1020
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: what she's doing, what she's accomplished, what you're accomplishing this

1021
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: hall right now in moving into one? What role do

1022
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Speaker 1: you play? And what role and what what? What opportunity

1023
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Speaker 1: is a compla Harris offered to women of color? Are

1024
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: children of color moving forward? I think so many. I mean,

1025
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Speaker 1: first of all, two black women and two families. Um,

1026
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Speaker 1: it is to see this woman the most powerful woman

1027
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: now in America, a black woman, a woman of color,

1028
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: is huge. This is as monumental, honestly as Barack Obama's

1029
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: ascension to president because cases like Brianna Taylor and Sandra

1030
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: Bland have largely made us feel that black women are

1031
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: not protected, are not heard, are not always valued. And

1032
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: I think seeing her guide her steps with great direction,

1033
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: with great ambition, she's not um, you know, she's a

1034
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Speaker 1: woman who attended an HBCU. She's you know, a k A.

1035
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: All these things that she shines a light on now

1036
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: are incredibly powerful because you know, honestly, the thing that

1037
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: distinguishes her from Barack Obama most is she has lived

1038
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: a Black American experience in an urban city of America,

1039
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: and I think that is powerful. Her relatability is different

1040
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: than his. Both clearly inspiring, but very different. She grew

1041
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: up in Oakland. She went to Howard University, not an

1042
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: IVY League, you know, traditional Ivy League school, but the

1043
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: Ivy League of Black schools, and that is powerful well.

1044
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Speaker 1: Also being a sorority. You remember, like you said, I

1045
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Speaker 1: a k A. I'm a member of maga sci fi.

1046
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: I know you know you go there that is like

1047
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: a kinship, sisterhood of brotherhood, and you know that exists.

1048
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean you know I again, I was a report

1049
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: of many years. When people think fraternity and sorority, they

1050
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: think of a frat house and John Belushi something on

1051
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: a white campus and they're got beer kegs and that

1052
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: this stereotype, not knowing this incredible lineage and legacy that

1053
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Speaker 1: exists within African American HBCUs androority and fraternity. Now would

1054
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: you would you being with the show being renewed for

1055
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: a third season? Applause, applause, applause, applause, fantastic being the

1056
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: Amy winner for their first season, moving into a great

1057
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Speaker 1: start to the second season, What do we expect the

1058
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: upcoming shows to be? A what is your goal now?

1059
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: You know, like you said earlier, being true to your voice.

1060
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: You know you didn't want to be pigeonholed and being

1061
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: told what to do because you know you're learning yourself

1062
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Speaker 1: and as you get through you get more comfortable about

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Speaker 1: this is what I want to do. This is my

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Speaker 1: lane of comfortence. What what is the show for the

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00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: second season? Moving forward? As it continues to grow you know,

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00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: I think it's just getting people. We have this catch line,

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00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,479
Speaker 1: we're talking to the people you're talking about, and that's

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Speaker 1: something that we are embracing and we're leaning in on that.

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00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: But most important to me and for me is that

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Speaker 1: folks who are at home launching know what they're getting.

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00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: They're getting a real conversation. I hope they're getting smart questions.

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00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: They're not getting, you know, this idea that all we

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00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: want is a steady diet of gossip and nonsense, you know,

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00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: just to be honestly with you, that we are looking

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00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: for substantive ways to make our lives better as people,

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00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: as parents, you know, the human experience is a common thread.

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00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. I don't want someone

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00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: keeping me from my dreams. I don't want someone, you know,

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Speaker 1: standing in my way. I want inspiration. I want to

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Speaker 1: be a better wife. I want to be a better daughter,

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Speaker 1: I want to be a better mom, I want to

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00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,479
Speaker 1: be a better leader. And so that's a big part

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00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: of what we talk about on our show because that's

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00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: what we all have in common. We want, I think

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Speaker 1: most of us to be the best. I'm not an

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00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: inspirational speaker, I'm not a motivational speaker like yourself. But

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00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: people who are like you and get you on the

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00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: show and tell us. You know, I don't. I tell

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00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: people all this lit y'all event fixes lives. I'm still

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00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: trying to fix my owner. I'm not there for that.

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00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: But I am there with my team of producers to

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00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: bring in writers and and and real people and actors

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00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: who actually want to come on and have a conversation. Well,

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00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: she is a motivating person. She is an interstiation. I'm

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00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: talking about you. I'm talking about you. No, no, I'm

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00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: talking about you. You are motivating, You are an inspiration.

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Speaker 1: My daughter is twenty three going on twenty four. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and she she she admires you. She watches your show.

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Speaker 1: That's important because you're reachable. You know what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: this all you're reachable. That means you're an age where

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Speaker 1: she can see that's not far away from me. I

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Speaker 1: can go get that. And that's what you and I

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00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: love that. I tell the kids all the time. The

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00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: ones I've entered said, I look forward to you replacing me.

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00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: I've been replaced by some people that who questionable. Well,

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Speaker 1: congratulations for the Emmy on the first season corangratulations with

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00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: the great ratings start for the second season. Congratulation on

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00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: the renewed pick up for the third season. Of knowing

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00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: that you have a future, it only makes you stronger,

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00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: makes you comfortable. Let the world know and the industry know,

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00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: they accept the brand of Tamerin Hall. Good luck with

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00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: your show and every day. And I'm gonna push the

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00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: the tam Fan contest through November thirtie, when you can

1114
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: go to your Instagram account and you can win two

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Speaker 1: hundred fifty dollars by telling your inspirational story or why

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Speaker 1: you're thankful Tamerin Hall, thank you for timing on money

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Speaker 1: making conversations. Thank you, we talked soon. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye. All right, I appreciate you as well. Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: By next guest. Dr carler Y Tillman. That's right. She's

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Speaker 1: the natural director of the Shop Black Network campaign. Hear

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Speaker 1: me the national director of the Shop Black Network campaign,

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Speaker 1: the Historical Community campaign slated to a few hundreds of

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Speaker 1: millions into the black community. And in one week period,

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Speaker 1: I have on her. I have on the show because

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Speaker 1: we need everybody, not just with Sean McDonald, everybody who

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Speaker 1: listens to money making conversation. So everybody follows me in

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Speaker 1: my particular platform because she's everywhere. I just I was

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Speaker 1: just one of the extensions that she's getting used to

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Speaker 1: promote this event. The ends on Black Friday is the

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Speaker 1: November twenty and ends on November twenty seven. Please working

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Speaker 1: the money making conversations for the very first time, but

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Speaker 1: not the last time, doctor call er, y Tillman, thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me on. I am a little overwhelmed because,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, tomorrow is the day in which shot

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Speaker 1: Black Week starts, which is one week where we're asking

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Speaker 1: every American, no matter who you are, older, young, black, white,

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Speaker 1: Asian Latino, if you would spend at least thirty five

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Speaker 1: dollars with the African American business. With the way we

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Speaker 1: caple end of just ten percent of the people participated,

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Speaker 1: we can infuse at least a half billion dollars into

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Speaker 1: the Black community in one week. Wow. When you say

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Speaker 1: let's just let's talk about what is the black community?

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Speaker 1: You know, because you know, not all black businesses are

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Speaker 1: in black communities. So when you said the black community,

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Speaker 1: are you saying the reference in the black household or

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Speaker 1: the black community meaning the black neighborhood, Actually, I mean

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Speaker 1: both because a lot of the black businesses are in

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Speaker 1: the black communities, but I also mean large and small

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01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: businesses are like so any black business, in any definition

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Speaker 1: of a black business, at least fifty one percent owned

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Speaker 1: by a Black Americ, a black business owner. And so

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Speaker 1: we were like that to be our definition. So Dr Tilman,

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Speaker 1: where you located at? We're a real national campaign, but

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Speaker 1: headquarter I am personally located right now in Dallas, Texas. Dallas, Texas.

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Speaker 1: I'm in Houston, Texas. So I can feel a certain

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Speaker 1: amount of confort and kinship, you know, even though you

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Speaker 1: to forty five I mean forty five North two and

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Speaker 1: forty miles from Houston, Texas. And that's hot Dallas, Hot Dallas.

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Speaker 1: So the thing about it, I've spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: time in Dallas, and uh you know, Steve Harvey uh

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Speaker 1: was based there before we went to l A. And uh,

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Speaker 1: so we should go back and forth and do comedy shows.

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Speaker 1: They're looking at the black population. Black people have always

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01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: contributed into entertainment dollars. They've always supported entertainment. Now you're

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Speaker 1: making the shift saying not only support black entertainment, but

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Speaker 1: actually support black entrepreneurs. What made you and what compelled

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Speaker 1: you to develop this campaign? Well, as you mentioned, one

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01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,919
Speaker 1: of the things I did notice, and just to give

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Speaker 1: a little history lesson, when b ET started, black entertainers

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Speaker 1: even was not considered equal to, or even athletes was

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Speaker 1: not considered equal to. And so what happened was BT

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01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: gave it a platform in which you got used to

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Speaker 1: seeing black entertainers on television, and black athletes and television.

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Speaker 1: So now they're considered may stream and it's normal to

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Speaker 1: consider uh athlete are a entertainer equal to anyone else.

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Speaker 1: And when it comes to businesses, we still have that

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Speaker 1: stigma that we are not equal to. And so even

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Speaker 1: when you talk to African American with black people, when

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Speaker 1: you talk to black people and they go to a

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Speaker 1: black business, they look at it as a special experience

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Speaker 1: as opposed to something normal, because we have a normalized

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Speaker 1: supporting black business the way we have supporting black entertainers.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly true. Here's something interesting, you know, I feel

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Speaker 1: that you know, has been an amazing awakening for white

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Speaker 1: amer especially it became to black I just bought a business,

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01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: brought the building in Atlanta, Georgia, and I went to

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01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: my Google Google allows you to create a directory for

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Speaker 1: your business, and it gave me the option to click

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Speaker 1: if I was a black owned business. Never had not

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Speaker 1: seen that before. I remember in two when I was

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Speaker 1: unfortunately participant when I said participant of the person who

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Speaker 1: had to share the Rodney Keen experience in law sayingers

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01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: black people was putting up sides black owned, black owned

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Speaker 1: because they didn't want their business to be be ripped

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Speaker 1: apart of torn down. So now that's say move forward

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01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: and they have Google say, look, we want to recognize

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Speaker 1: your business because it's black owned. What do you say

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Speaker 1: about that? And what does that say about blacks finally

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Speaker 1: being recognized for being entrepreneurs? Um? Well, how can I

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Speaker 1: say this time? One of the things if you look

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Speaker 1: historically at any so called campaign that was created to

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Speaker 1: help black people, if you really look at what that

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Speaker 1: campaign did, the likelihood of them actually helping the black

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Speaker 1: community or the black people they were trying to help

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Speaker 1: is pretty close to nil. I've actually never known a

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Speaker 1: campaign or even for example, when I saw the housing

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Speaker 1: market rise of years ago where they relaxed a lot

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Speaker 1: of the requirements to purchase homes and every black persons

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Speaker 1: like I'm heading on this, and I said, wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: I'm not getting on this because I've never seen people

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Speaker 1: just really have helped black people that way. As soon

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Speaker 1: as everybody jumped in on it, and that's when the

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Speaker 1: market fell and most of the people I knew lost

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Speaker 1: their homes because I knew. I said, I've never seen

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Speaker 1: a campaign where they just openly helped black people. And

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Speaker 1: so when it comes to business as well, I'm really

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Speaker 1: looking at this is how much are they helping or

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Speaker 1: how much are they taking advantage of what's happening in

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Speaker 1: the community to see if they could come in and

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Speaker 1: just capitalize on from it. Say, for example, and I

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Speaker 1: do want to say this because there's an article author

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Speaker 1: the news about TikTok joining words with Shopify to be

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Speaker 1: able to come in and do something all the shot

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Speaker 1: black Week. We had already did a shot black the

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Speaker 1: year before and we made it go viral national and

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Speaker 1: they literally named their campaign shot Black Week. But it

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Speaker 1: really was just to get black people to sign up

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Speaker 1: with Shopify, right, and that that that which takes a

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Speaker 1: percentage of money that they would make. Yes, no, no,

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Speaker 1: they talked about let's back in a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: understand that, you know, you know you started in twining

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Speaker 1: the team, which is last year. You know, you weren't

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Speaker 1: the person that just jumped on the rade. You had

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01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: a vision and it just and it got magnified and

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Speaker 1: and because of COVID and zoom and we've all are

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01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: I think black people are more technically technically technology savvy

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Speaker 1: than ever before in the history. Their phone has become

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Speaker 1: more than just taking pictures and making phone call and

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01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: texting people. It actually has become the device that everybody

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Speaker 1: uses as is that their financial device. Is there is

1241
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: there is there? Uh, it creates financial literature. Your phone

1242
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: can actually do your banking, your phone can actually pay

1243
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: your bills, your phone can actually order you food. And

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01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: that has not always been the way it's been used

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Speaker 1: in the past. So let's go back to twenty and eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's go back doctor. Like Jim, you know, before

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01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: you had this was a This was a major undertaking

1248
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: to say that, you know, everybody has a good idea,

1249
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: but when does a good idea become reality? Let's talk

1250
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: let's walk through those steps. Well, what I what happened

1251
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: was I had a long history working in I T

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, from the dockstays, I literally

1253
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: worked all of through I T and so I really

1254
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: understood the power of technology and developing technology and how

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01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: much technology can change and impact things. And so in

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Speaker 1: doing that, I had to teach people how to not

1257
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: only build the technology, but then how do you get

1258
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: everybody to use it? Or if you build a website,

1259
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: how do you get people to come to the website.

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01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: So I learned marketing in that sense, and I realized

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01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: I had a natural, natural knick, natural guilt, let's just

1262
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: say that, at marketing and getting things to go viral

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01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: and getting things to go big. And I said, why

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Speaker 1: don't I take this opportunity to see if I could

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01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: just do this for my own people? Since I have

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01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: this gift, why not use it? And so, as I,

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Speaker 1: you know, pull the team together, I was explaining to them, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I know there's been a lot of Black Weeks here

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Speaker 1: in black restaurant weeks and by black, but we need

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Speaker 1: every American to do this. And if we get every

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Speaker 1: American to do it now, it becomes a movement and

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Speaker 1: it becomes something that people look forward to and changes

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Speaker 1: people lives, impact the actual lives of individuals, right, And so, Okay,

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Speaker 1: now you got the emotion now that you said I

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Speaker 1: you went Dows BO. That's that's that's how I only

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Speaker 1: thing older than Dows is for training, I went back

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Speaker 1: to four train. So you know, okay, I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to aid for us LF to that. Okay, all programming

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Speaker 1: for a train. And so so when you look at

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Speaker 1: the putting it in position to be recognized nationally, because

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Speaker 1: I always always look at when you say it went viral,

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Speaker 1: I always look at small ideas to become big ideas,

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Speaker 1: and how do you get the word out? I guess

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying at this point. DR. So what

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Speaker 1: I did is I understood the difference between the natural

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Speaker 1: marketing in the corporate in corporate America as opposed to

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Speaker 1: marketing the black people. And I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: times when corporate America want to get the word out

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Speaker 1: to black people, that usually create alliances with churches, for example,

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Speaker 1: in the community, because they understand churches have already built

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Speaker 1: that relationship. So what I decided to do is kind

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Speaker 1: of right on that ideal. Stead of just trying to

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Speaker 1: do a lot of marketing in general, what we did

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Speaker 1: is we just recruited organizations that had either small basis

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Speaker 1: or large basis of memberships. So it could be the

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Speaker 1: Sisters with Natural Hair, It could be you know, the

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Speaker 1: National Black Change of Chamber of Commerce. It could be,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Concerned Black Men of America. It could

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Speaker 1: be any organization. I had a base and we explained

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Speaker 1: to them what we were doing and saying, well, you

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Speaker 1: joined us and joined the other people. So as we

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Speaker 1: start to grow, we say, thirty organizations come together that

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Speaker 1: will be historical. And then it was like, oh my goodness, seventy.

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Speaker 1: Then it was like a hundred, and it just kept going.

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Speaker 1: And so if you took the membership base, the followers

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Speaker 1: and the member whoever was involved, so on socially with

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Speaker 1: these organizations that represented one point five million people, but

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Speaker 1: we could say asked them if they could just ask

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Speaker 1: all of their friends to support it. So it's more

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Speaker 1: of a grass roots movement as opposed to trying to

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Speaker 1: go from the top down. We went from the bottom up.

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Speaker 1: And that's why when TikTok did it, I knew by

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Speaker 1: them just doing a bunch of press releases that it

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Speaker 1: wasn't going to have the same impact. Now let's talk

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Speaker 1: about more than just you you know, this is a

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Speaker 1: US is your vision, but there are an organization that

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Speaker 1: businesses and vendors that are involved. How did you pull

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Speaker 1: those people involved? How did you take a brand an

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Speaker 1: idea and start getting them on board or being a participant. Well,

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Speaker 1: the first thing was to come up with the platform,

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Speaker 1: so you have to have a system in place. So

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Speaker 1: once we got that in place, we were able to

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Speaker 1: get the message out. And the first thing we needed

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Speaker 1: to do is to recruit the organizations because that was

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Speaker 1: what was going to give us the power. Once we

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Speaker 1: got the organizations, then the next thing to do is

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Speaker 1: who else will support this That you don't necessarily have

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Speaker 1: to be a business. You could just be a person

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Speaker 1: that supported maybe bring on some of the politicians and

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Speaker 1: other people that would just be in support of this.

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Speaker 1: Then the last thing to do was to bring in

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Speaker 1: one picked it up, another picked it up. And as

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Speaker 1: far as what we know, at least a thousand entities

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Speaker 1: I wasn't. But were you ready to because you're the face? Now?

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Speaker 1: You're right? Correct? Well, I actually wish I could not

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Speaker 1: to comment as well, what's wrong with this campaign? And

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Speaker 1: why is it not okay to do this, which to

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Speaker 1: this day I still don't understand how you can make

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Speaker 1: something negative out of supporting of black business, but of

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Speaker 1: course I had to be come out front and address

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Speaker 1: those issues. Image. Just what pushback did you get to

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Speaker 1: just here that statement you just said to was that

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Speaker 1: pushback was there? Like why are you doing this? Why

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Speaker 1: you know black people? Black people, they're not gonna, they're

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Speaker 1: not they unorganized. A lot of negative things come out

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Speaker 1: of when you start trying to do business with black people.

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Speaker 1: They're stereotypical and something else. Reality talked to us about that. Um, well,

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Speaker 1: it depends on what side you were looking at it from.

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Speaker 1: Just take it to the Black Lives Matter movie for example.

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Speaker 1: How can just saying a black life matters could be

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Speaker 1: a negative thing to anybody? Right, we just want to

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Speaker 1: say we matter, But then some people say, well that's

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Speaker 1: not right, you can't say that, and so they turn

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Speaker 1: it into a negative. So it's the same thing is

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Speaker 1: will you just take time to support a black business,

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01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: Because what even black people don't understand is white people

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01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: have mastered the ideal of white being normal. So if

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Speaker 1: you go to a white business or spend with a

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01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: white business, that's considered what I do normal. And so

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Speaker 1: if I ask you to do something to with a

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01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: black business, now it's a special you know, diversification program

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01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: or outreach program. Let's do something different as opposed to

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01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: it just being normal. And so we realized with that idea,

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01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: we had to create it as a special thing. Let's

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Speaker 1: make it special. Let's go and you know, support African

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Speaker 1: American businesses. And so I'm trying to not interchange. I

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Speaker 1: want to say black businesses. So with black businesses, uh,

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01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 1: people would just the world black in it of itself

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01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 1: would make you say, well, why a black business and

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01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 1: why can't we support and this has to be a

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01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: racist movement, and it just became every negative connotation. So

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01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: even recently I looked online and a lot of black

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01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 1: people even feel, well, why can't we shop black every day?

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Speaker 1: So we're not saying don't shop black every day, like

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Speaker 1: when you say black lives matter, we're not saying other

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Speaker 1: lives don't matter. We're just saying this week, let's try

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Speaker 1: to make history. Let's trying to infuse a lot of

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Speaker 1: money into the community and get everybody, you know, also

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01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: to support black businesses and everybody that's not black to

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Speaker 1: also support black businesses. So that way we can make

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Speaker 1: a difference, because the point is that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are gonna start spending money on Black Friday to

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Speaker 1: the point where they're literally almost killed themselves trying to

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Speaker 1: give that money away. So we were trying to capture

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Speaker 1: that money the week before they were going to go

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Speaker 1: out and start giving it away from a holiday season.

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Speaker 1: So if we haven't happened the week before, and you

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Speaker 1: can see all of the toys and the gifts and

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Speaker 1: the clothes and jewelry items and all those things, then

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Speaker 1: you said, Okay, now I kind of know where I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get my Christmas items from and not just support

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Speaker 1: this week. So that's a masterful way we're trying to

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Speaker 1: get you to look at it as a normal thing. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's let's talk about what what annoys me from the

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Speaker 1: standpoint of what you were saying, not saying what you

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Speaker 1: were saying, but like American Express, American Express has made

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Speaker 1: a brand of pushing small businesses and entrepreneurs, spend your

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Speaker 1: money with small business doing the black fly the run

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01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: for years, at least the last ten years, I can

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Speaker 1: accurately say, and you're just saying, Look, nobody gave any

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01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: pushback to American Express when they were doing it. Now

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01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: you're doing the same thing with black business and start

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01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: my support same thing that American Express has been saying

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01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: for years, but now you're getting pushed back. So why

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01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: you have to shopping the black business Because black businesses

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01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: need recognition. I remember when I started the Neighborhood Awards.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons I started was just to give

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01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: black business recognition in the community because a lot of

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Speaker 1: black businesses are successful of black people, but we're getting

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01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: our car and drive out of the black neighborhood and

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01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: support a business that doesn't really function or bring revenue

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01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: back into your community, which means that people who work

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01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: live in your community have to go outside of the

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Speaker 1: community to live. When if you were spending your money

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Speaker 1: within the community gainst what, they wouldn't have to drive

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01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: so far and they would building better, taxpaying opportunity to

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01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: schools to get better. And that's basically what you're saying

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Speaker 1: now with the Shop Black Shop, And that's why it

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Speaker 1: ends on November twenty seven, that day Black Friday. Black

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01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: people doing their thing on a Black Friday on Black

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Speaker 1: Shop Week. So let me just address one of the

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Speaker 1: things that you said. One of the things that you

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Speaker 1: said is that when other people come in, like when

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Speaker 1: TikTok came in or whitemoret is coming, they're doing something.

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01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: Amazon is doing something, and they're all trying to do

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Speaker 1: something for the black community, you rarely see anybody saying

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Speaker 1: anything negative about it. But soon as you do or

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Speaker 1: do for yourself or save ourselves type of campaign, it's like, well,

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01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: what are you doing and what we need to understand

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01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: and know more about what you're doing because we have

1475
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: never been given permission to save ourselves. We've always had

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01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: to have help. You come help us, and we have

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01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: a hand out of get in line, and you do that.

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01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: But if you say no, no, no, we want to

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01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: help ourselves, then now that becomes a problem and people

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01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: look at it a little differently. So that actually has

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01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: been a long standing issue for a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that we do well. Because what are you seeing like

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Speaker 1: a very powerful person? You seem like we all you're articulate.

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Speaker 1: Dr Tilman. When I look at the fact you said, Rashan,

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Speaker 1: I'm interviewing you the day before your launch. What makes

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Speaker 1: it so? What is the launch process? You know, making

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Speaker 1: sure the technologies there, all the accounts that entrepreneurs they

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Speaker 1: said they want to be a participant, and making sure

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Speaker 1: the band with us there so the site won't crash.

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Speaker 1: What makes it busy for you before the launch? Wow, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's the same thing. We still have to do

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Speaker 1: a lot of the grassroots things. We've got to reach

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Speaker 1: out one on one to all of the organization needs,

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01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: all of the media that we get. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of interviews as you can see in the process. We're

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01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:49,560
Speaker 1: talking about radio, television, podcast, newspapers, blogs, magazines, anything that

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Speaker 1: you can think of. We're trying to get the word

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Speaker 1: out so we reach every audience that we can, and

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Speaker 1: we're trying to make sure everybody understands what they ask

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01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 1: is because I even had someone recently changed the whole

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Speaker 1: thing when they wrote the article to say we were

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01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: asking people to only support us, or to or to

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01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: black out these days and all this other stuff, and

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01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 1: we're not asking you to do anything but a simple

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01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: ask just to make sure you make at least one

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01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: purchase from Black Business, and then we're asking you the

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Speaker 1: hashtag shot black week after you make that purchase and

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01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: then tell them, hey, I made a purchase from UH Incomfortable,

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Speaker 1: for example, is one of the business as listed, which

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01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: is a doctor black doctor owned watch company, jewelry company,

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Speaker 1: the only one in America out of Houston, Texas. That's

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01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 1: where I mentioned him and so uh and so one

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01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 1: of the things we're doing is and hey, if you're

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01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 1: gonna get a nice gift for somebody, why don't you

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01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: do that. I got this, take a picture of an

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01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: hashtag and let everybody know where you got it from.

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01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: So now they know, oh, I can go there and

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01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: get a watch. So helped spread the word that way

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01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: get ends on Friday, Black Friday, November between your self

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01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: and what happens after that. Well, one of the things

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01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: that we're also doing is in conjunction with this week,

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Speaker 1: we're also starting to sponsor something called All Black Home

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Speaker 1: Shopping Experience. Okay, I was gonna get to it, which

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01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 1: is a television show that spotlights a lot of businesses

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01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: that we have, so that after the week is over,

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01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: you're talking about now we're doing a special holiday edition.

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01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: What kind of gifts can I you know, purchase And

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01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: after that we can focus if it's Mother's Day, what

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01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: kind of gifts can we get for Mother's Day or

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01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 1: if it's just any other day, what are the restaurants

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01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 1: that you can support? So we're also trying to to

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01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 1: to kind of move it past shop Black Week. Now

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01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: you're thinking more Okay, let me be more conscious of

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Speaker 1: a black business. But then where do I find them?

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01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: Where did I go? Last year, there was a big

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Speaker 1: debate online with white professional financial professionals to say, what

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Speaker 1: what is what would happen if white people and black

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01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,679
Speaker 1: people come together all supported black businesses? World would happen

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01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: if it's only for a week, if it went beyond

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01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,560
Speaker 1: the weekend. They did the whole thing and one of

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01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: the experts said, that's the problem. If it's just what week,

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01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: how impactful can it be? And these to go beyond

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01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: a week? But I understand that a week, Uh, well,

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01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,560
Speaker 1: we actually could change a lot of people aves to

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01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: be honest with you, but if you can go in

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Speaker 1: and at least meet that person eat at that restaurant,

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01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 1: you could say, now I have a regular restaurant, I

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01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: could eat that. So that's the point is just to

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01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: get you started. But if you don't create it and

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01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: make some type of gimmick key I didn't want to

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01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: use that word but some kind of gimmick out of it,

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01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 1: you won't be able to get the kind of hype

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01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: behind it like I did. So I knew I had

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01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 1: to have a gimmick in order to get the word

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01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: out that I would know. You kind of threw it

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01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: out there. I got excited that we're talking about the

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01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: shopping channel. Now do you say the word channel? Is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it something that's going to happen. Is it's still

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01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 1: in theory. Is its streaming? Is it? Uh? Cable talk

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01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: to us about that, because that's I've been waiting on that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's long overdue. You know, Black people love

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01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: the shop, All people love the shop, but a channel.

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01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: I thought BT should have done it. I thought TV

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01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: one should have done it. Now you just threw it

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01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: out God, rish A. McDonald excited. Tell us to more

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01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: detail about that, more detail. So it's actually a television show.

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01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: It's not an actual channel. So we are partnering with

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01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,560
Speaker 1: other channels who will be streaming it. I should have

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01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: headed in front of me right now. Everybody to tell you.

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01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: But you can go to shop like with dot org

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01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: and we'll have that information for you. But what we

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01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: wanted to do is have a broadcast live as well

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01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: as stream as well as on our own online so

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01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: that no matter where you go and you can find

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01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,679
Speaker 1: that information and people can start to share that information

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01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 1: as well, and hopefully we'll get to the point where

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01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,680
Speaker 1: we got a whole season together and then we can

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01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: get it on bigger platforms. So it's kind of kind

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01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: of almost maybe, uh, but in a different way because

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01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: we're trying to infuse a lot of things together. But

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01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: if you remember the show that t Pain did, we

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01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: wrent around the country and spotlighted some of the black businesses.

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01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 1: I thought that was a very powerful thing to do,

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01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 1: but you only got three black businesses that episode. That

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01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: could really kind of get that focus and uh and

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01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: and of course uh with Killer Mike that kind of

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01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 1: did something from Netflix where he did it. So all

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01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: all of us come together is kind of bringing a

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01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: little bit more attention to the business world. But just

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01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: because that's my gift from how I make things go viral,

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01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 1: understanding that if you highlight the magnitude of the important

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01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 1: things we're done, and just the first episode will show

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01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: you that we're doing big things, and then there's some

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01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: amazing things that you can get that you can't even

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01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 1: find anywhere else inside or outside of the Black community

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01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: that we have to offer. And so you highlight those

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01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: things and make people more aware and now you can

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01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: start to to focus and branch out and bring more

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01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 1: and more attention to more and more business. Well, she's

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Speaker 1: Dr Caller Y Tillman. She is the national director to

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Speaker 1: Shop Black Week campaign that starts November twenty it ends

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Speaker 1: on Black Friday. Black Friday is November twenty seven. And

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01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: thank you for and so because if they see this

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01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: after is I want them to know it will be

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01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: the Friday before Black Friday and then it ends on

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01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 1: Black Friday. Thanks allot keep going oh no, no saying

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01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 1: articular and that make sure everybody knows you're the national

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01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: director the Shop Black. The Shop Black Week campaign is

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01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: if don't into the twenty seventh in the year and

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01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 1: each year it would be the Friday before and then

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01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: end on Black Friday each year. Okay, cool, You couldn't

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01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 1: said it any better. Thank you for coming on money

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Speaker 1: making conversations. And I will put it in my social media,

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01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 1: put in my newsletter because again you all the face

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Speaker 1: of a brand that's growing, in this brand that's definitely needed.

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01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 1: And I appreciate the respect, the fact that you know,

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01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 1: sometimes when you come up with a good idea of

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01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 1: people push back on you. And it's when you push

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01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 1: through the negative spirit of people go why are you

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01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: doing that? And I'm sure you got a lot of that,

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01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: and nobody's gonna that's not ever gonna go to a

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01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: level that you expect. And guess what you're doing. You're

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01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,799
Speaker 1: changing lives because guess what those businesses that need your support,

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01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: they need advertising, they don't have Adverte thousand dollars and

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01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 1: the fact that you're doing in the year of COVID,

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01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: and we know black businesses have been effective more than

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01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: any business. They didn't get p P P loans, a

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01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 1: lot of things didn't happen for black businesses that happened

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01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 1: for on market businesses because of your program. It did

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01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: not go away. It was launched in twenty eight and

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01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: now it's going strongly and it will always be the

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Speaker 1: Black Friday, which after Thanksgiving every year moving forward. Correct,

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01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: did I get it right? There? Friday before Black Friday Friday?

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01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: There you go. I want to make sure I got it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I appreciate you. Keep appreciate having

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Speaker 1: talk to two creative minds. Um, but let's talk about

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Speaker 1: a little bit of we talked about you, Jacqueline, your

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Speaker 1: your history from a corporate standpoint, talk about how you

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01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: made that transition an HBCU grad and we know during

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01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: the pandemic, HBCUs were really thrust that finally in a

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01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 1: positive life of the Vice president elect, she's from the

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01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 1: HBCU school, Kamala Harris. So talk about that from a

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01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,560
Speaker 1: emails perspective, what it means to you that's going on

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01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: right now in this history making time for hbc USED

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01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 1: and women of color. It's a great day to be

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01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 1: a product of HBCU. It's always a great day, but

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01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: now so more people are seeing their representation really matters,

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01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 1: and it's so great to see hbc USED thrust to

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01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: the forefront. And as an hbc grad, we both have

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01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 1: a long lineage of HBCU graduates in our family. Were

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01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 1: so excited to see it, Um and Uh. I say,

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01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: from my background, as I went to Clarkland University, I

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01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 1: knew I wanted to get some corporate experience before I

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01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: jumped into entrepreneurship, and it was the best decision. Our

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01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: network of HBCU graduates has really helped our business and UM,

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01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: we're so grateful to our network of hbcs. Awesome. Now, Sean,

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01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 1: you have the best of both worlds. You have HBCU

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01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 1: Degree of Masses at Duke. I got several friends who

1713
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:57,759
Speaker 1: are very successful graduates of university, not just from athletics

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01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: but academic side. How has that been a for you

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01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: to have to basically master both wearlds, both worlds. Um,

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01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 1: it's been great. It's been great, as I tell people

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01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 1: all the time. Uh, Duke, it's sort of what helped

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01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: me accelerate my career. But more House made me who

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01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,800
Speaker 1: I am. So I think you know, both both of

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01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: them were important, But it started at the HBCU. I

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01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: mean that I remember, you know, conversations going on in

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01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: the dorm at three am when we're talking about everything

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01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 1: from football to the original man, you know, all everything,

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01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 1: the entire spectrum. Uh. And that's that's kind of what

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01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 1: made me who I am. But then I realized I

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01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 1: needed to sort of round out my education, UM, so

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01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: decided to go back to Duke get my m b a. UM,

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01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: and that set me on a different kind of path professionally,

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01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: being able to go from there to Wall Street and

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01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 1: work several years on Wall Street. So it has been

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01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 1: beneficially and both of those communities have helped us as

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01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: we've been trying to to build a green Top into

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01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: what it is. So I couldn't be more grateful to

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Speaker 1: both more House and and do Let's talk about Greenhop.

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01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: Where did that thing come from? Green Toop? So, my

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01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 1: grandfather was a entrepreneur and my father worked with him

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01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 1: there at Greenhops. And Greenhop was a restaurant bar in

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01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 1: the forties and fifties, and it was here in Hillsboro,

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01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and it was a place that African Americans

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01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 1: could go and celebrate and fellowship and it was a

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01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: source of celebration in our community. And so when we

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01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: started a company, we were thinking of names, and Greenhop

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01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 1: was really just it seemed like the right fi because

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01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 1: it honored the entrepreneurship background of our families. It's powerful.

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01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: I really appreciate hearing that now when we talk about business.

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01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 1: I would tell people like when I started my first

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01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 1: business in nanty two, you know, I was a comedy club.

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01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:48,600
Speaker 1: You know, I just basically turned on the lights and

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01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: got the licenses that I needed and started accepting money.

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01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: You know, that was my rule and so obviously I

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01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 1: made a lot of mistakes. You know, I didn't. I

1752
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 1: didn't look at the whole, the bookkeeping aspect of it.

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01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: I look at the hounting the aspect of it. I

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01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 1: didn't have a I didn't have a business plan, nor

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01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 1: did I have a business plan for the next six months.

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01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get in business. And so I

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01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 1: always talk about how we make mistakes because when I

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01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: say me sometimes about entrepreneurs, especially entrepreneurs of color, because

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01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: we don't look at the forecast, the reality because we're

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01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:19,600
Speaker 1: such dreamers, you know, we don't you know, once you

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01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:21,799
Speaker 1: hear the reality, it can kind of hurt your dreams,

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01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 1: and so you kind of like ignore the possibility of

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01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: failure and put a lot of your opportunities in faith.

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01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 1: You're planning in faith and not planning in numbers. So

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01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn to you, Mr NBA. Okay, when you

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01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: opened this green Top, she gave me that great name

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01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,680
Speaker 1: and had great history. Great land is you know, you know,

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01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:43,639
Speaker 1: obviously inspired. Okay, somebody had to have the number somewhere.

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01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying she was involved in the number, but

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01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the NBA on this one. Mr NBA, MR.

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01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 1: Mr wall Street, Mr. Wall Street. I mean, that's that,

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01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. I mean, i'll give you the

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01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: quick story. She came and she said, look, you know

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01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 1: I want this wrapping paper. It doesn't exist. I'm gonna,

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01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, do it my stuff, and she will tell you.

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01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 1: I was like, no, you're not, that's not gonna happen.

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01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 1: We're not about to investor playing and so you know,

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01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: she was she was persistent, and she said, no, I'm

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01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 1: gonna research. And I found the manufacturer all this stuff,

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01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 1: and I said, okay, well, let me do a little research.

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01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 1: And I found one number that made me say we

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01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: can do this. I look, I had no idea the

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01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 1: size of the wrapping paper market. So in the United States, uh,

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01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:32,560
Speaker 1: Americans spend almost seven billion dollars seven billion with a

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Speaker 1: B on wrapping paper every single year. So I saw

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01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 1: that number and I said, okay, wait a minute, seven billion.

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01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,760
Speaker 1: There's nothing for black people out there with you know,

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01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 1: images that look like us on it. I said, we

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01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 1: could probably make this work. Right, So the numbers just

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01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 1: from the size of the market, because you I'm sure

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01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: you know that's where everything starts from. What is the

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01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: size of your market. And so once I saw what

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01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: the size of the market was, now it was about

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01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 1: execution right because the market was there, there was a

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01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, the window was act for us to get

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01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 1: in um as people of color and providing something for

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01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: people of color. So for me, from there, you know,

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01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:09,799
Speaker 1: the numbers made sense. We just had to go execute

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01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: at a very I love that's the part of the conversation,

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Speaker 1: the execute part, the creative side, you know, good creating,

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01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 1: original artwork, original designs. How did that part start to

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01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:22,560
Speaker 1: lay it to other? Because you know, we have a

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01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: great idea I want to do. I want to do,

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01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:27,679
Speaker 1: uh you know, wrapping paper for people of color? People

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01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 1: can look like? What are the designs and the looks?

1806
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 1: Does either want you have skills? Art skills? Are? Are

1807
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 1: we just big personalities I'm talking to here. I would

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01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,560
Speaker 1: say that I've been creative, but I don't draw. So

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01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,959
Speaker 1: I do love all things holiday. I love to decorate.

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01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:48,639
Speaker 1: I love him to do hearts and cracks and hobbies

1811
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 1: be drawing and creating the actual character I did not do.

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01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 1: We worked with an illustrator and I knew what I

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01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:56,679
Speaker 1: wanted to look like. I wanted him to appeal to children.

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01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:58,759
Speaker 1: I wanted him to appeal to adult and I wanted

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01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 1: him to definitely look like and I wanted him to

1816
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 1: be jolly and magical. It was really important for him

1817
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 1: to connect with children and adults. Um. So we worked

1818
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 1: with an illustrator and the first iteration that came back

1819
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 1: and it was perfect, and that was the image that

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01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,560
Speaker 1: we went with. That Clarence call. Now, what is the

1821
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 1: name Clarence Claude? Which is which makes me smile every

1822
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 1: time I said, you know, my staff came to me

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01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,600
Speaker 1: that they created Clarence Claude. I go, I said, just

1824
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:26,360
Speaker 1: on that alone, we got to talk to him. It

1825
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: just makes me smile. You know, I come from our

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01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: inner city fifth for the six sisters, two brothers. Grew

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01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 1: up in a two bedroom shotgun house. So that's my

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01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:36,600
Speaker 1: that's my my, my, my lifestyle. I grew up in

1829
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 1: a graduated from Universe Houston with a math degree minor

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01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,600
Speaker 1: in sociology. So in some ways, you know, I I

1831
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 1: mirror some of the things that you've accomplished in your

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01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: life from a male perspective, Sean. And I'll do a

1833
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 1: lot of work with HBCU schools now to try to

1834
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 1: uplift them, have done a lot of things. I managed

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01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 1: Stephen N. Smith, who is a graduate of uh What's

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01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 1: in Salem State. So my I have a strong heart

1837
01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:01,799
Speaker 1: and a strong brand association with HBCUs. But Clarence Clause

1838
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 1: that CC, that's my man. Ccny. It's funny you say that.

1839
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 1: So when we were when we were coming up with

1840
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 1: the idea, we knew we needed a name. And I

1841
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: said to Jackie said, man, but he needs a black man.

1842
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 1: He needs a name. Here they go, that's a black man, right, um.

1843
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 1: And so we're throwing around names and to your point,

1844
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: c C. We were like, it needs to flow. And

1845
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:32,599
Speaker 1: then everything kind of connects with family. So her father's

1846
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: name was Clarence. One day I said, what do we

1847
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 1: just call him Clarence Clarence Clause And then it just stuff,

1848
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: you know, it kind of as you're saying when you

1849
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 1: heard it, it just kind of man, I loved it,

1850
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 1: but I loved it. I like it just it. It

1851
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,719
Speaker 1: sounds so many uncles, so many as sounds. It sounds black,

1852
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 1: it sounds soulful. It sounds like you know, the Thanksgiving

1853
01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 1: that the crist the some barbecues, Clarens Clones, my man,

1854
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 1: sound like you're happy. It sounds like you're gonna have

1855
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 1: a good time. But it made you smile. So so

1856
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 1: so that was the way it was happen. Everybody said

1857
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 1: thumbs up on Clarence clause. Okay, now that's now, we

1858
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 1: got the thumbs up on Clan's clause. Now taking it

1859
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 1: to the market. How's that working out? And how did

1860
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 1: it first get introduced and how was the initial reactions?

1861
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 1: So it really started as I was working full time

1862
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 1: working on that idea at night, creating the website, and

1863
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 1: then we got the inventory. It was sitting in our

1864
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 1: garage and I said, we're gonna launch in October October sixteen. Um.

1865
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: We worked with one of my sorority sisters. Actually, she

1866
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: came in video and came up with kind of our

1867
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 1: story of the origin, how we started it, and she's

1868
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 1: a great storyteller, and so she developed this minute thirty

1869
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 1: second video, um, and that's kind of how we shared

1870
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 1: it on Facebook and social media. And that video just

1871
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 1: told the story of the need and why it was

1872
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 1: important for us as black parents, and it really just

1873
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: captured the essence of why it was so important for

1874
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 1: black chules and to see images that looked like them,

1875
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,560
Speaker 1: and that video, I won't say it went viral, but

1876
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 1: it did pretty get numbers and people shared it, and

1877
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 1: that's kind of what got us out there and people

1878
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:15,600
Speaker 1: found out about our website. We were packing orders in

1879
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 1: our house up until Black Friday of that year, and

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01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, I was working full time as I was Sewan,

1881
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 1: So we get home at night, we packed orders, We

1882
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: put the kids down, eat dinner, and we packed the

1883
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 1: orders until we were about passed out. And then the

1884
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 1: orders just kept coming and coming, and I think we

1885
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 1: need a fulfillment company and I don't anymore, UM, and

1886
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:37,720
Speaker 1: so we switched on the filming company and they packed

1887
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 1: our orders for us. But that's just kind of how

1888
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:43,560
Speaker 1: it started. Now. You know, I was gonna say, you

1889
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 1: talked earlier about UM HBCUs. We talked a lot about

1890
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 1: HBC using we first launched, we really leaned on that

1891
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:57,599
Speaker 1: HBCU UH network. You know, when we launched, we got

1892
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:00,799
Speaker 1: all of our HBCU you know, classmates, friends, the schools

1893
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: we went to UH when that first year, we basically

1894
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 1: created street teams to go to these homecomings UM and

1895
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:09,559
Speaker 1: we gave them T shirts and they were passing out

1896
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 1: flyers and buttons. So we really leaned on HBCUs. That

1897
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 1: helped get that first year off the ground and get

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Speaker 1: making conversations. I'm your host Sean McDonald. Well, also as

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Speaker 1: she was being featured. You know when you get these

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Speaker 1: featured moments in Essence and the old the Oprah magazine.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know back in the old school days

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Speaker 1: when you when you put out a record, you hear

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Speaker 1: you start seeing your product being featured in prominitive magazines

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Speaker 1: like Essence and Oh, what would your reaction? Did you

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Speaker 1: have your frame? Did or did you is the magazine

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Speaker 1: still sitting on your countertop? Well? Did you post to

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Speaker 1: those social media? How did you react and how did

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Speaker 1: you use that, you know, uh, to your advantage. We

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Speaker 1: had some praise and worship in the living room. Well,

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Speaker 1: we got the phone call from Oprah I definitely was

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Speaker 1: shouting and screaming, come on girl, come on girl, come

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Speaker 1: on girl about the Oprah team. We put on some

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Speaker 1: music and dance around. Um. But when we got NBC News,

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Speaker 1: that was probably the first big press that we got,

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Speaker 1: and the order started to flood in and it was

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Speaker 1: picked up by some local television network news networks. And

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Speaker 1: it's great. You know, it's one thing when you think

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Speaker 1: it's something important for your own chold, but when other

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Speaker 1: people see it invalidate it and and say it's important

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Speaker 1: as well. So the features in the press have been

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Speaker 1: wonderful to help, you know, get a brand awareness out there,

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Speaker 1: and we're so grateful for all of them. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're we're we're talking about wrapping people talk about Clarence

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Speaker 1: Clause and then Clariens Clause has kind of become a

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Speaker 1: bigger than like character that you guys didn't even expect,

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Speaker 1: you know. So that's usually great ideas come about, you know,

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Speaker 1: it comes from they come from passion. But there's something

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Speaker 1: you believe in and and when when you tell your story,

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Speaker 1: it just connects, you know, the Green Top story connects

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Speaker 1: and Clarence story connects, you know, and it all feels

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Speaker 1: very organic and real. And so how big can Clarence

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Speaker 1: call Clans Clause become? How big can you become? Do

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Speaker 1: do Macy's Day Parade? One day? I see a Clarence

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Speaker 1: Clause up there, floating up there next to snoopik. Can

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Speaker 1: you get that big? That shot? Come on that? Absolutely

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Speaker 1: get that, you know, because that's because that's that's the

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Speaker 1: dream big and you get that big? So what what?

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Speaker 1: What additional marketing techniques are you guys using? And I

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Speaker 1: know you've had grants tied to black women, Uh Jack,

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Speaker 1: What I want to talk about that that you've been awarded.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the grants and the funding that has come

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Speaker 1: in to to you know, to benefit you guys in

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Speaker 1: your brand and your company growth. Definitely, we have really

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Speaker 1: benefited from some grants this year with Beyonce and her

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Speaker 1: foundation be Good. Um as awarded us ten thousand dollar

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Speaker 1: grant that we're very excited about. Um in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Double A CP and we also have received the grant

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Speaker 1: from Visa and I Fund Women And that's a great

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Speaker 1: opportunity for us because Visa, I mean Visa is huge

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Speaker 1: and I found Women does this great work to help

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Speaker 1: lock own and women businesses um really grow and give

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Speaker 1: them the tools they need. And so those two grants

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Speaker 1: have really given us, you know, exposure to larger networks,

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Speaker 1: has helped us internally without funding, and they've provided us

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Speaker 1: with resources that were really right before. Okay. Green Top

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Speaker 1: grift lines include gift bags, holiday accessories of pails such

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Speaker 1: as socks face mask, which is very smart. Means you pivoted,

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Speaker 1: you saw a need and you pivoted right there. Dad Hats.

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Speaker 1: Their paral line includes T shirts, sweaters, baby war disease,

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Speaker 1: and pajama sets for the whole family that were newly

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Speaker 1: added this year and available for pre order. Right now,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the pre order. Let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: the whole facial mass that's just something you saw, you had,

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Speaker 1: that you had the ability at we're pointing this whole

1992
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Speaker 1: pandemic because we got to shut down in March, that

1993
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:09,120
Speaker 1: you felt you should get in the facial mask market.

1994
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 1: It was very early on people reached out to us

1995
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Speaker 1: and said, you guys are gonna do Christmas mask right,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was people. It was June

1997
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:19,639
Speaker 1: and July and people were realizing that, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be in this for a while, and I had

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Speaker 1: a lot of friends that were like, you guys want

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Speaker 1: to do masks. I was like, yeah, we can do masks.

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Speaker 1: We do masks for sure. So I like our attitude mask. Yeah,

2002
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Speaker 1: we got that on these agenda mask get the mask dumb. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the masks are going well, they're selling. My mom and

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01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 1: I have been out wearing ours and people are stopping

2005
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 1: us and asking where did you get those masks? Right right? So,

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01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 1: like I said earlier prior to our call, you know,

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Speaker 1: I love to feature you guys and my my shopping zone.

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Speaker 1: It's all free. You know, these are the There'll know

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Speaker 1: when I see great opportunities. And that's how you get

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Speaker 1: out there. I always tell people, you know, it's not

2011
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:03,200
Speaker 1: the lottery. You don't win in one location. You win

2012
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 1: and people turn this way they see your brain. They

2013
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 1: turn that way to see your brain, They turn this

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Speaker 1: way they hear your brain. And so, like I said,

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Speaker 1: a mailing list goes out over the any thousands of

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Speaker 1: my fan club members love to put you there. Post.

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Speaker 1: You get my social media which is uh money Making

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Speaker 1: Conversation dot com. And then I have my personal social media,

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Speaker 1: which is Rashan McDonald, which has almost a million social

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01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 1: media followers. I think it would be very fond to

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01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 1: post Clarence clause and get some pre orders. But how

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01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:33,200
Speaker 1: does the pre ordered process work for Green Top? So

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Speaker 1: for our family pajamas, we're doing pre order. They come

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Speaker 1: in sizes from infants to an adult to X and

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Speaker 1: if you order them now, they'll shift after the first

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01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 1: of December. But if you order any additional product with it,

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Speaker 1: like if you order a mask and pajamas or a

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01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 1: mask and um a pair set of wrapping paper, the

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01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 1: items that are in dock now outside of the pajamas

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Speaker 1: will ship immediately, and your family pajamas will ship as

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01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 1: soon as we have them all pactrition already. Okay, cool.

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Speaker 1: So with that being said, you're doing any modeling, what

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01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 1: you what? Do? Your what? Your what? Your items? Or

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Speaker 1: they just uh albadden photoed or how's it? How's the

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01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 1: package being featured on your website? So we have done

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Speaker 1: a great family photo shoot with tons of cute kids

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Speaker 1: and our pajamas, and that's on YouTube, it's on our website,

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Speaker 1: it's on our social media. There's tons of photos that

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01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:21,640
Speaker 1: you can see and kind of get engaged and what

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Speaker 1: the sizing looks like and see the pajamas and the

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Speaker 1: kids are having a ball in the video. So it's

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Speaker 1: just super joyful to look at you know, I look

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01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:30,720
Speaker 1: at it looked like I mentioned earlier that you was

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01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 1: Nestleie was you Mars and Wrigley and then John you

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01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:37,839
Speaker 1: mentioned World Street. You know my background, I was IBM.

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Speaker 1: I work for IBM two and a half years undergraduate,

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01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 1: two and a half years graduate, and the and the

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Speaker 1: and the the things I've learned from my five years

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01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:48,680
Speaker 1: i've been I still used today, you know, from a

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Speaker 1: marketing stand from from being a professional, from being able

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01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 1: to how the management I can always clearly look at

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01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:57,680
Speaker 1: some of the statements that how it was handled by

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Speaker 1: by supervisors to be success will work for me today.

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01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 1: And the principles of me starting my own company, managing

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Speaker 1: people along the way and being able to you know,

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01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:10,560
Speaker 1: be able to have goals of success. So started with

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01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 1: you sewn with your experience that you had. How how

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01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 1: are you incorporating that into green toop Oh man, it's uh, Well,

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01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:22,120
Speaker 1: the first thing is is just making smart decisions. I've

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01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:25,720
Speaker 1: been fortunate, I've been around a lot of smart people, uh,

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Speaker 1: people who've done some pretty incredible things and and typically

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Speaker 1: their success was rooted in they didn't always get it right,

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Speaker 1: but they use a lot of logic to make smart decisions. Um.

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Speaker 1: And so I've tried to help Jackie UM and helped

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Speaker 1: each other, but I've tried to sort of bring that

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Speaker 1: the green top. It's like, is this a smart decision

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Speaker 1: the numbers to like you said at the beginning, do

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Speaker 1: the numbers make sense? Does this mac add up right? Um?

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Speaker 1: And so that that's really what I've learned most. You

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Speaker 1: touched on you said at IBM. Being a professional. I

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01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 1: mean that was something that the first day I walked

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Speaker 1: into Morgan Stanley. You you can just feel you better

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Speaker 1: be a professional in here, right You're gonna get walked

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Speaker 1: out to doing it right. So so, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: professional is a big part of it. I think sometimes

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01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:12,920
Speaker 1: people overlook that how you carry yourself matters. Um. I

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Speaker 1: never forget there was a guy who I worked with,

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Speaker 1: a guy who I worked with worked for at Morgan Stanley,

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Speaker 1: a gentleman by the name of David de Luca, and

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Speaker 1: this quote I will never forget. He said, why wait

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Speaker 1: until tomorrow to do what you can do today? Um?

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01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:29,640
Speaker 1: And so I take that with me everywhere now that

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01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 1: you just always get as much done today as you

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01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:35,559
Speaker 1: possibly can because we don't know what's gonna change the ball.

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Speaker 1: So those are the types of things that I've tried

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Speaker 1: to bring to Greentop, how we think about it, how

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01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 1: we approach it, making sure every decision is strategic, every

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01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,519
Speaker 1: decision makes sense. Um. But I think it's benefited us,

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Speaker 1: uh to a large degree. It has the thing I

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Speaker 1: always oft to, you know, like when I left IBM

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01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 1: to purceee a career as a comedian. Okay, well, to

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Speaker 1: a lot of uncertainty because people are always like you

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01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 1: the next day to Murphy here right right and so so.

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Speaker 1: But there's still that unknown, you know, when you walk

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01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 1: out into you walking away from medical benefits, you're walking

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01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 1: away from a consistent check. You're walking away from a

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Speaker 1: building that you know exist. You know so and and

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01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:16,320
Speaker 1: then so in the world of doubt, you know, I'd

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Speaker 1: love to hear both of you guys reaction to you know,

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Speaker 1: overcoming and they are known and plush your team. I

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01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 1: call I call you guys a power couple because the

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Speaker 1: decisions were made jointly, but then each decision was made

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01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,479
Speaker 1: individually because you were working Jacklin and you was working

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Speaker 1: Sean okay. And some people say, well you work until

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Speaker 1: we get up and running and then you come on

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Speaker 1: later on. How was that that commitment to the brand

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Speaker 1: of green Top handled within the household of the Rogers? Um,

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Speaker 1: so it was. It was interesting. So we we started

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Speaker 1: the company in twos sixteen. We were a tag team,

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Speaker 1: you know. We as Jackie said, we work late, we

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Speaker 1: packed orders, we do all that stuff. And probably two

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Speaker 1: years ago I started to push her a little bit

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Speaker 1: on and if we really want this thing to grow

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Speaker 1: and blow up, you're gonna have to quit your job.

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Speaker 1: You gonna have to quit it and do it full time.

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Speaker 1: Because we're looking at some of our friends who have

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Speaker 1: started businesses. They're doing a full time and you can

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Speaker 1: see the business grow. And I said, if we if

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Speaker 1: one of us doesn't quit our job, it's always just

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Speaker 1: gonna be a side hustle versus being a real company.

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Speaker 1: And so UM, I think we learned some harsh lessons

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Speaker 1: in corporate America to um, you know, and working for

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Speaker 1: some of these companies. Jackie, you know, worked for Nestlee.

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Speaker 1: She worked there for a long time and you know

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Speaker 1: they later off. We don't mind talking about that, and

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Speaker 1: so she was bit fortunate enough talented enough to get

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Speaker 1: the job at Mars. But I think we realized from

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Speaker 1: that experience and Nestle that you know, to to a

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Speaker 1: lot of these companies, you're just a number. So you know,

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Speaker 1: you've got an opportunity to have your own company and

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Speaker 1: grow it and build it. Let's go after And so,

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Speaker 1: after me pushing for a couple of years, in February

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Speaker 1: of this year, she made the decision, I'm gonna quit Mars.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this full time. And um, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of how we balance it in our house, right. So

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Speaker 1: I still go to work and work my nine to

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Speaker 1: five so that we can keep the health insurance and

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Speaker 1: the benefits and all that stuff. But you know, she

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Speaker 1: does it full time, you know, all day along and

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Speaker 1: and and some days most days she's doing more work

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Speaker 1: than I am with my nine to five. You know,

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Speaker 1: she's working from eight in the morning to midnight one am.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm watching the game, you know, right right

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Speaker 1: when when when I'm watching the game, ain't pulling on

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Speaker 1: hey hey. But but yeah, that's how we bounced in

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Speaker 1: our house. You know, she she she's done an incredible job.

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Speaker 1: She quit, she's doing a full time and now you

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Speaker 1: know it's it's growing. So it's been been really cool

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Speaker 1: in that In that way when you say it's growing, Jacqueline,

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Speaker 1: you know you made that commitment. And as an individual,

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Speaker 1: will you say, I'm going in And first of all,

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Speaker 1: smart business decision. Okay, you you do if you can put,

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Speaker 1: if you can pull this off, then you do it.

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Speaker 1: Because a lot of stuff is online nowadays, you're not

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Speaker 1: in the factory pulling stuff down. You moved into a

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Speaker 1: fulfillment location. So then making sure your product line. So

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Speaker 1: you're running the company by yourself in a sense. So

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Speaker 1: because it's set up that way. So talk about the hours.

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Speaker 1: I will tell people that are twenty four hours in

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Speaker 1: the day. Learn to take advantage or use each hour.

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Speaker 1: And that seems to be what you're doing as a

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Speaker 1: as an entrepreneur. Yes, um, we have two small children

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Speaker 1: on top of that. So before I quit my job,

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Speaker 1: I was working full time and I said double dutching

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Speaker 1: and doing this at night and on the weekends and

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Speaker 1: when I could. Um. And now that since you weary,

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Speaker 1: I've been working on it full time. So the hours

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Speaker 1: are every second is down to a schedule on my calendar.

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Speaker 1: If I don't put it on my calendar and schedule it,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't get done. I have to be very strategic

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Speaker 1: with my time because we have a two year old

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Speaker 1: and a six year old and their home with virtual learning,

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Speaker 1: so most days we have a tutor that comes in

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Speaker 1: and works with our son, but we have to be

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Speaker 1: really efficient with getting work done before they wake up.

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Speaker 1: During that time, I try to get a few hours

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Speaker 1: in while they're sitting and eating much and then I

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Speaker 1: do a lot of work in the evening once they're

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Speaker 1: down from bed. So we balance off each other and

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Speaker 1: work with each other schedules to make calls work, and

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Speaker 1: we're in the house and cold. It's kind of been

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Speaker 1: a blessing because it allows us to get things done

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Speaker 1: even more efficiently. So um lots of scheduling and just

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Speaker 1: working together to make it work. But there there's no

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Speaker 1: office hours. It's just get well well. First of all,

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the show money making Conversation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for making me smile. When I say smile,

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Speaker 1: I've been really uh um. You know I'm much older

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Speaker 1: than you guys, so I've I've experienced a life without

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Speaker 1: this type of diversity as far as my daughter, she's

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Speaker 1: twenty four now and she's been graduating from college, and

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited about that, but more importantly giving us

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Speaker 1: a hope. All right, when I look at look at

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Speaker 1: what we saw on Saturday night at diversity, when I

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Speaker 1: look at the civil unrest and looking at white people

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Speaker 1: stepping up in a lot of situations saying that's not right,

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Speaker 1: and that that it's important to us as we move forwards.

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Speaker 1: Bless you. You raising young people to be better people

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Speaker 1: in this life, and people recognizing that they want to

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Speaker 1: be uh, they want the same dreams that everybody else wants.

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Speaker 1: Just we just have to be different colors and different

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Speaker 1: colors should not matter in your dreams. And I applaud

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Speaker 1: you guys for for living your dreams. I applaud this,

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Speaker 1: this lifestyle you guys are creating right now, where Sean

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Speaker 1: is hanging down in that white collar world doing his thing,

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Speaker 1: and you over there doing that entrepreneur spirit. And I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure next year we're gonna keep this relationship. And

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Speaker 1: next year might be full time both of you guys

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Speaker 1: a there's a bright future for a brand that makes

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Speaker 1: people smile as a bright future for people who and

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Speaker 1: our ornaments for Christmas tree ornaments as well? Yet? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have ornaments will be on the site shortly. You

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Speaker 1: I want to buy me some ornaments for my tree,

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Speaker 1: you know, I want to put it up. But again,

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Speaker 1: on my end of the table, my responsibility to you

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Speaker 1: is to promote your brand. So I get my staff

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Speaker 1: as much as I can, but more importantly, good luck

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