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Speaker 2: Twenty four hour NDIA News. This's you Love, Chris Hans.

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Speaker 1: Everyone. Welcome in and Happy Thanksgiving from the whole this

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Speaker 1: League Uncut squad. Mark Stein here with Chris Haynes, producer

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Speaker 1: Ryan Music. We are recording on Wednesday afternoon. What time

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Speaker 1: So a lot going on at the Haines Hotel in Sacramento.

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Speaker 1: Is there zero NBA basketball? An avid reader of my

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Speaker 1: the finals, and so all the teams in the tournament,

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Speaker 1: all thirty, are playing a different number of games, and

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Speaker 1: that causes its own share of problems. So I do

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Speaker 1: get all that, But again, to me, why did they

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Speaker 1: ask ll cool Jy to redo? Mama said, knock you out?

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Speaker 1: Because the knockout part that's the good stuff, you know.

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Speaker 1: That's like group games that aren't really group games, regular

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Speaker 1: season games disguised as group games. They just again, like

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Speaker 1: you said, it's too hard to follow. Who's an A B?

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's and let me let me elaborate

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Speaker 3: just so people understand what I'm talking about. With players,

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Speaker 3: most players wouldn't go for not having their stouts their

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Speaker 3: stats accounted for. No player wants to play five games

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Speaker 3: and say that they're on a hot streak in that

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Speaker 3: five games earlier in the season. They don't want those

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Speaker 3: stats just wiped away. Don't count, you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: don't it matters. You know, it matters. You know, they

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Speaker 3: all you know, their their time and you know, so

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Speaker 3: I know, you know, I spoken to a few players

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Speaker 3: about that already, and that was that was one of

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Speaker 3: their concerns before the season tournament was even implemented. So

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Speaker 3: I know that would be something that they will probably

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Speaker 3: push back on. You know, playoffs that's a different story,

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Speaker 3: you know, playoffs of the playoffs stats, you know, their

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Speaker 3: stats for the playoffs. But that that is that is

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Speaker 3: something else that they would have an issue with. They

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Speaker 3: tried to just say the stats would not wouldn't go

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Speaker 3: into the regular season numbers.

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Speaker 1: Now, though, I'm going to pay a compliment to the

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Speaker 1: n season Tournament because I do think this is somewhat

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Speaker 1: of a factor. To me, there's been less MVP chatter

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Speaker 1: in November, which always strikes me as a little too

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Speaker 1: early to get too deep into it. But look, the

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Speaker 1: reason one of the main reasons that this inn season

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Speaker 1: tournament was conceived by the NBA. Obviously it's about money

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Speaker 1: and about creating content and a product that they can

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Speaker 1: offer up to potential partners in a new media rights

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Speaker 1: deal to maybe sell the tournament separately to a rights holder.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, there's all kinds of financial incentives for

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Speaker 1: potentially doing it, but also something that is long concerned

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Speaker 1: the NBA is trying to make the regular season more meaningful.

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Speaker 1: And one of the reasons we've talked about this before

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Speaker 1: on this spot, and this is one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: things to kind of remind everyone about, is the reason

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Speaker 1: the NBA never pushes back on heated NBA debate or

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Speaker 1: NBA debates that start really early in the season, probably

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Speaker 1: earlier than they should. It's because, again, winning the regular

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Speaker 1: season MVP Award probably the highest individual honor that there

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Speaker 1: is in the sport that gives the regular season meaning

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Speaker 1: and the league's hope was that the n season tournament

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Speaker 1: could add to that and become something else that gets

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Speaker 1: people excited in November and December when normally all the

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Speaker 1: focus is on the NFL and college football. But one

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Speaker 1: of the benefits this season, I think, and maybe it's

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Speaker 1: an unintended benefit, or maybe there's no correlation and I'm

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Speaker 1: just inventing a correlation but I feel like there's been

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Speaker 1: so much focus from the league on marketing the n

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Speaker 1: season tournament and working on n Season tournament awareness that

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Speaker 1: there's somehow been less MVP chatter than we normally get

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Speaker 1: this time of year. And then I kind of violated

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Speaker 1: my own rule to an extent by writing about the

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Speaker 1: MVP race on Tuesday and my substack. But the point

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Speaker 1: really wasn't to say who is or isn't leading the chase,

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Speaker 1: or you know, it's way too soon for that kind

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Speaker 1: of talk, but really just to kind of bring home

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Speaker 1: the point as something to discuss, something to monitor, something

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Speaker 1: to keep our eyes on, because again, it is amazing

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Speaker 1: that no American player has won the MVP, the regular

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Speaker 1: season MVP award in the NBA. No American has won

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Speaker 1: that since a former Houston Rocket I'm sure you remember,

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Speaker 1: named James Harden in twenty seventeen eighteen. Since then, it's

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Speaker 1: been Yannis twice, it's been Jokic twice. EMBIID last year,

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Speaker 1: Luka Doncic widely considered a future MVP, he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: one yet. Canada Shay Gilgess, Alexander he ended up on

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Speaker 1: the All NBA First Team last year, so you got

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Speaker 1: those five foreign players having accounted for the last five MVPs,

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Speaker 1: and Doncic and Sga as contenders to join that club

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Speaker 1: in the future. So there's not a lot of room

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Speaker 1: for new competition. But I wanted to just throw that

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Speaker 1: out there because it's been interesting at the start of

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Speaker 1: the season just to see the various guys who are

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Speaker 1: off the good starts. Jason Tatum is off to a

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Speaker 1: huge start in Boston, and this brings me back to Halliburton,

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Speaker 1: who is you know, if the Pacers can make a

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Speaker 1: run at fifty wins, I mean, Halliburton is gonna He's

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Speaker 1: gonna be in this discussion.

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Speaker 3: And again, you know this is we're early in the season.

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Speaker 3: With that being said, let me look at some of

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Speaker 3: the players, American players who have a shot. I still

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Speaker 3: think you have to put Joker up there. You gotta

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Speaker 3: put in Bead up there, Johannis for sure, like those

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Speaker 3: are probably the three favorites, the three top favorites to

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Speaker 3: win the award. But what American has a legitimate shot?

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Speaker 3: Tatum possibly Boston got off to a pretty quick quick start.

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Speaker 3: I still think that's an uphill battle. You know, Kim Minnesota,

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Speaker 3: b is this sustainable, you know, will they remain a

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Speaker 3: top of the West, And if so, Anthony Edwards definitely

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Speaker 3: has to be considered.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed I should have mentioned him, That's my bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But aside from that stunt, I mean, ty Pacers,

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Speaker 3: I gotta see more. I gotta no question.

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Speaker 1: But that's why it's too early to get into specifics,

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Speaker 1: like what's Haliburton's chances? But he's played so well and

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Speaker 1: look Maxie too, Tyrese Maxie's now is he going to

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Speaker 1: Is MAXI gonna be able to keep his production where

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Speaker 1: it's been in Philly? And is he ever gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to beat out Joel Embiid on his own team?

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Speaker 1: But you said it. If Minnesota continues to live at

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Speaker 1: the top of the West, the upper tier of the

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Speaker 1: Western Conference, Anthony Edwards is going to be in this discussion.

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Speaker 1: And if Indiana can make a run at fifty wins,

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Speaker 1: I do think Caliburton will at least get a mention

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Speaker 1: and then then it's you know, but these thirty somethings

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Speaker 1: are just amazing. Lebron turns thirty nine in December, Stephen

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Speaker 1: Curry turns thirty six in March. Kevin Durant just turned

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Speaker 1: thirty five in September. All three of them are playing

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Speaker 1: at an MVP level. Now, will their teams win enough

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Speaker 1: for them to get in the top five. That's something

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Speaker 1: to watch. But there, you know, it's it's just it's

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Speaker 1: I just threw it out there yesterday. Is just something

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Speaker 1: to monitor and to keep in your mind. It's an

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Speaker 1: interesting thing. It's a fun game to play. Who is

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Speaker 1: the next slash, first American who can and this dominance

556
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Speaker 1: of international stars and for many of our colleagues, fellow pundits,

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Speaker 1: Jason Tatum was a very popular preseason pick to be

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Speaker 1: the guy and win his first MVP. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think you said it. I mean, the conversation still

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Speaker 1: starts with Joker, Jannison Embiid and I think you know,

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Speaker 1: Luca not far off depending on how many games the

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Speaker 1: MAVs win and the Thunder have been spectacular early. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's certainly going to help SGA's case. And

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Speaker 1: there is a lot of international stardom at the top

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Speaker 1: of this race.

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Speaker 3: And suppose another question too, Stein, So say we do

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Speaker 3: have an American born MVP coming up, will it be

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Speaker 3: a retread or will it be somebody new? So let

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Speaker 3: me rephrase that. Do you think the chances are higher

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Speaker 3: that the next American MVP is retreat or a new

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Speaker 3: MVP winner?

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Speaker 1: I think new. And the reason I say that is

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Speaker 1: because we also have to factor in the sixty five

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Speaker 1: game rule. And the reality is Lebron, what he's doing

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Speaker 1: right now is at his at you know, at almost

576
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Speaker 1: thirty nine has never been seen before. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: the stat came out today's shooting like sixty six percent

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Speaker 1: in fourth quarters. Steph was playing lights out until he

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Speaker 1: had the knee injury that knocked him out for a

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Speaker 1: few games. And Durant is playing second or third most

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Speaker 1: minutes in the league. They haven't even seen Bradley Beal

582
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Speaker 1: yet and Durant's been out of this world. So the

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Speaker 1: question the question for those three guys, it's twofold A.

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Speaker 1: Are their teams gonna win enough for them to get

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Speaker 1: up the ladder? Up the MVP ladder? And b will

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Speaker 1: will those three guys play sixty five games?

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Speaker 3: Because now, correct me if I'm wrong, sty the sixty

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Speaker 3: five game is required even for all NBA teams. Correct, yes,

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Speaker 3: they will if they if they're healthy, They're not a lot. Look,

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Speaker 3: Lebron KD. They're not gonna waste the season, not trying

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Speaker 3: to steal accumulate awards. That that's that's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: So if they are healthy enough, they're going for that.

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Speaker 1: Believe me, those guys it's championship or BUS. So you're

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Speaker 1: telling me they're gonna.

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Speaker 3: It's still They're still added to their legacy. No, it

596
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Speaker 3: still matters. It still matters. Lebron is not if he

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Speaker 3: has a chance to add another All NBA to his resume,

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Speaker 3: he's adding it. Kevin Durant, same thing. They are not

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Speaker 3: wasting season. Yes, championship BUS, but no, they're adding to

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Speaker 3: their legacy right now. That is very important. So I

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Speaker 3: guarantee you whatever maintenance plan they have, intact resting plan

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Speaker 3: or whatever it is taken into consideration on how, you know,

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Speaker 3: how they can get that rest and still get the

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Speaker 3: sixty five games. Now, you can't account for injuries that

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Speaker 3: happen and things like that. But no, Stein, No, they're

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Speaker 3: still trying to add to their resume.

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Speaker 1: See this is good you on multiple occasions in this

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Speaker 1: festive Thanksgiving pod, you took this conversation into directions that

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Speaker 1: I was not expecting. So kudos to you.

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Speaker 3: The holiday season. Stein, That's what happens, you know.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because it's so funny because obviously we

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Speaker 1: can see each other as we're recording this, and our

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Speaker 1: audience cannot. But it's been funny in this You in

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Speaker 1: this episode, you are the calm. You are the calm

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Speaker 1: one trying to, you know, be the wise old head.

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Speaker 2: Stein.

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Speaker 1: Just calm down, let's see. You know you're trying to

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Speaker 1: You're trying to bring a restrained, relaxed tone to the conversation.

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Speaker 3: Well, I have about twenty five other family members arriving today,

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Speaker 3: so I'm trying to prepare myself.

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Speaker 1: They're all, it's all today, they're getting today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and most of them get in today. I have already,

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Speaker 3: I got a household of fifteen right now in the house.

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Speaker 3: So it's amazing that you haven't heard any noise, you know,

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Speaker 3: in anything right now.

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Speaker 1: So I guess my point is, I think you've enjoyed

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Speaker 1: taking the role of the old head in this one.

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Speaker 1: Letting me go off on my on my little n

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Speaker 1: season tournament tangents and well.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I mean it comes with age. That's what happens,

631
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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Stein, so I wouldn't you know,

632
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say this is the new me. You know,

633
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Speaker 3: I'll probably go back to my old self in the

634
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Speaker 3: next episode, but it is what it is right now. Stein,

635
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Speaker 3: I'm feeling good right now. You know. Sweet potato pie

636
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 3: is my favorite pie, my favorite dessert of all time.

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Speaker 3: You got to have your some, Stein, if you've never

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Speaker 3: had any sweeptail pie. Anyway, my mom is down there

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Speaker 3: and I smell it right now. I smell it coming

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00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: out the oven right now. So I'm in a good mood, Steyn,

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00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 3: So you are.

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00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: And you so all this food is being prepared at

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Speaker 1: the Hotel Haynes as we speak.

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Speaker 3: The desserts right now being made, Yes, and.

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Speaker 1: You are not going to touch it until tomorrow. You're

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Speaker 1: not going to touch anything till tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm stealing a pie. My mom makes about

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Speaker 3: seven sweep until pies. I'm still in one and I'm

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Speaker 3: hiding it in my room and so I'll be eating that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm eating that tonight. Yes, you see, I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: try to whisper.

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Speaker 1: Do you think anyone coming to your house listens to

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Speaker 1: our podcast?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, they listened, but they listen. They'll they'll hear

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Speaker 3: it like weeks later at that time.

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Speaker 1: Cool, you know, missus Haynes won't hear this podcast.

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Speaker 3: You hear it weeks later, you hear weeks later. Like, girl,

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Speaker 3: I already said that. You know, I was just I'm like,

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Speaker 3: that was just in a moment. Don't worry about it, girl,

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Speaker 3: You know because I told her. I let her know, Hey,

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Speaker 3: occasionally you come up occasionally, our relationship occasionally, you know

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Speaker 3: the struggles we go through. Yeah, see she liked that one.

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Speaker 3: That was cool. She got that way. She said, as

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Speaker 3: long as you let them know that, you're the one

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Speaker 3: to take most of the losses. I'm like, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: told the truth. Yeah, you take all the laws. I

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Speaker 3: told the truth. That's sure.

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Speaker 1: You're playing for a tie. Everyone, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us. I hope you have we Hope you have

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Speaker 1: a tremendous Thanksgiving. Hope you get some good family time again.

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Speaker 1: No NBA games on Thanksgiving, So hopefully if you have

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Speaker 1: some NBA cravings or you find yourself in the midst

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Speaker 1: of a hillacious holiday commute, bring us with you. Listen

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Speaker 1: to us when you're on the man being here in

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Speaker 1: La people. I mean, the talk about Thanksgiving traffic. It

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Speaker 1: starts on Tuesday. The just shocking images of cars stacked

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Speaker 1: on the freeway and nobody moving.

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Speaker 3: I have to I have to go shout out to

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Speaker 3: Carlos Garcia. You know, I like to shout out people

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Speaker 3: who reach out and say they've listened to the pod.

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Speaker 3: Carlos Garcia reached out to me on I G I'm

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Speaker 3: showing you right here, Stein, and in it, he says,

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Speaker 3: could I posted a picture? I posted a story of

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Speaker 3: my ham that I purchased from the Honey Baked Ham

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Speaker 3: company that you seem to have no idea about. He says,

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Speaker 3: Mark didn't know nothing about that on the podcast, and

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Speaker 3: he's just lot laughing, dying, laughing. You gotta you gotta

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Speaker 3: check that. And Michael Wright, my colleague over there at

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Speaker 3: NBA dot com, he sent me a picture. You listened

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Speaker 3: to our pod, sent me a picture of his honey

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Speaker 3: Baked ham that he purchased, and he says, Stein, gotta

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Speaker 3: he gotta get on point. You gotta find out about

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Speaker 3: that now, Stein, you probably don't eat ham? Am I safe?

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Speaker 3: Is that? Is that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It's not good?

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Speaker 3: I got it, I get it. I wanted to make

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Speaker 3: that clear.

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Speaker 1: But but I've been, but as as uh as my

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Speaker 1: dear high school friend Dave Casera's remind me. I've been

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Speaker 1: to many holiday parties of his, back when we were younger,

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Speaker 1: when they had when they had honey baked ham. So

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Speaker 1: I've even been to events where it was served.

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Speaker 3: I just didn't understood understood, so I would to Hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm doing that for you, Starle, letting the listeners know

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Speaker 3: there's a reason you probably don't not that all.

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Speaker 1: That, so you already you already posted this IG.

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Speaker 3: I posted my honey baked ham to IG yesterday on

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Speaker 3: my story, so I want to give it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I am hopeless. You know I am hopeless

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Speaker 1: when when the initials IG come into the conversation.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait. I can't wait. Hey, And I wish

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Speaker 3: everybody out there again a non violent Thanksgiving holiday week

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Speaker 3: and weekend, because we know where family gets together, Hey,

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Speaker 3: it gets there's turbulence sometimes. So you know, I just

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Speaker 3: hope that you know all you do is is have peace,

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Speaker 3: love and good food and good companies.

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Speaker 1: So that will have to get the report. We'll have

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Speaker 1: to get the report next time we do one of

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Speaker 1: these on how it went.

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Speaker 3: Oh Stan, I'm gonna tell you right now that ain't

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Speaker 3: going down over here. It's going to be Oh, I'll

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Speaker 3: let you know. I'll give you the report. I'll have

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Speaker 3: an update the post Thanksgiving episode on how everything went down.

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Speaker 1: We need an exact count of how many guests there were.

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Speaker 3: Yep, how I helped my tongue, didn't say anything, wanted

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Speaker 3: to say something. How I looked at somebody crazy, but

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Speaker 3: I didn't take it to the next level. Those things happen.

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Speaker 3: It's family, you love them, It's family. It's all good,

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Speaker 3: It's all good.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready, all right, everyone that is going to do

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Speaker 1: it for this Thanksgiving edition of This League Uncut. Chris

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Speaker 1: and I will be back very early next week with

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Speaker 1: our next episode. Of course, if you haven't already, please

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Speaker 1: remember to rate, review, and subscribe to the show. Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: Spotify podcast, wherever, hashtag, wherever you get your pods. You

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Speaker 1: could do it. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. We are very thankful

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Speaker 1: for everyone who listens and joins us every episode. Talk to.

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Speaker 2: And That'll do it for us. See you next time.

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Speaker 2: This League uncutage an iHeartRadio production Chris Haines and Mark

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Speaker 2: Stein