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Speaker 1: I love this story. I love these people. Really enjoyed

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Speaker 1: like everyone's. It's just a real spoil I don't know

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Speaker 1: we recorded all this like oh this, I love this

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Speaker 1: It was very cool to learn about Jackie and Rachel.

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Speaker 1: that's who we grew up with, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Watched a lot of I love Lucy. I've watched more

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Speaker 1: Cat Burglars, Barbie Burglars. Well, before we get into all that,

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Speaker 1: to get to our featured story today. Lucille Ball and

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Speaker 1: up now, it's part one of Lucille Ball and DESI Arntz.

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Speaker 1: start with Ms Lucille Ball. She was born in Jamestown,

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Speaker 1: But she's a quintessential leo, just full of fire. Lions

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Speaker 1: on Broadway, and the thing is, she got hired and

422
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: fired kind of on and off all the time on Broadway.

423
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: Perfect you everything we want, ye, you're going to be

424
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: the star that actually you know, we're gonna bubb you

425
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: to the chorus and actually it's now working out, So

426
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: why didn't you get out of here? That just kind

427
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: of happened on and off a few times, and she

428
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: kind of got sick of that and sort of gave

429
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: up on the New York City stage dream. She decides, Hey,

430
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: you know what, it's ninety two. If you want to

431
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: be an actor and you want to make a living

432
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: and if you want people to know who you are,

433
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: you gotta move. And in nineteen thirty three, she packed

434
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: up her bag and she moved west to the city

435
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: of Los Angels, to Tinseltown, to La La Land, to Hollywood,

436
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: California to get into the pictures. I'm gonna be in

437
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: the Flickers. But she didn't want to do the same

438
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: on again, off again work she was doing in New

439
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: York City. Right, She's like, I need to do better.

440
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: I want more, So she marches right into Hollywood. She

441
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: probably stood on the sign Hollywood land sign, climbs up

442
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: the hill, stands on the side, arms a kimbo and said,

443
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm a full time actress. That's my job. That's what

444
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: I do, and in no time, that doesn't always work.

445
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: By the way, I just want to throw that out

446
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: that you can't just always do that. Setting an intention

447
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: is great, it's very personally motivating. It can help you

448
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: get a lot done, but it is absolutely not a

449
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: guarantee that anything good is going to happen for you. Unfortunately, no,

450
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: and I'm sure there was more to it her working

451
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: to get these things, but in a very short amount

452
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: of time she had signed with r KAO Pictures as

453
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: a contract player, and the next thing you know, she's

454
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: doing short films with the Three Stooges, with the Marx Brothers.

455
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: She worked several times with Fred Stare and Ginger Rogers,

456
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: the names, and Hollywood just pumping out content at this time.

457
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: In between all these big pictures, they're releasing dozens of

458
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: smaller ones or B movies. We all know and loves

459
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: some B movies. Um, She's landing parts in those left

460
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: and right, right. Eventually she gets the nickname Queen of

461
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: the Bees. You're kind of the Queen of the Bees,

462
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: Queen of the bee cups exactly literally what I was

463
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: going to the joke I was gonna make. I knew it.

464
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: I knew it. But also, the bee is the Atlanta

465
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: Fringe Festival logo, and you're the Queen of the Atlanta

466
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: Fringe Festival. Very true. We do call ourselves HBI c

467
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: s honey Bees in Charge exactly. And my B size boobs.

468
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: So now everyone knows about my B size boobs. Great,

469
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: they knew. We tell them our instinct. They saw you.

470
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: He can't hide those because they can their bees. Well anyway,

471
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: be movies aren't enough for Lucy, so she goes into

472
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: radio to get more exposure. Imagine, if you will, a

473
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: time when you could just speak into a microphone for

474
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: a living. Anyway, moving on, it's kind of making me

475
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: think though about how how many celebrities are doing podcasts

476
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: now like voice literally doubling back on that part of history.

477
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: It's all coming back. Yeah. Anyway, While she's in radio,

478
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: she met a man named Gayle Gordon and they would

479
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: have a professional relationship for the next fifty years. And

480
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: a big part came up around this time that everybody

481
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: wanted pretty much every woman actress there was was auditioning

482
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: for this part, including Lucy's old classmate Betty Davis. It

483
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: was for Scarlett O'Hara and Gone with the Wind, and

484
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: obviously Lucy did not get that part, and thank god

485
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: for that, because can you imagine Gone with the Wind

486
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: with Lucy Oball's completely different films look, and whoever talks

487
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: about Vivian Lee anymore, there's a film buff out there

488
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: screaming at you. Well. In nineteen forty, Lucy did land

489
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: a lead role in a film adaptation of the Broadway

490
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: musical Too Many Girls. This play is the story of

491
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: a girl who wants to go to college to be

492
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: near her bow and her tycoon father, without her knowledge,

493
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: gets four Ivy League football players to go with her

494
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: as bodyguards, and they all have to sign a contract

495
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: with him with a non romance clause so they won't

496
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: fall in love with her, and then, of course one

497
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: of them does, she falls in love with him. There's

498
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth. It's a very strange story,

499
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: but it was a hit at the time and they

500
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: decided to make a movie out of it. Then it

501
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: was gonna be starring Lucille ball Man, some of these

502
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: plays back in the Bay Man at anything. But that's

503
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: gonna take us back in time to nineteen seventeen in Cuba,

504
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: where a man named Desiderio Alberto Arnez the third was

505
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: born on March two. His family was wealthy and they

506
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: owned three ranches, a palatial home, and a vacation mansion

507
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: on a private island. Not a bad set up. His father,

508
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: Desiderio Alberto Arnez the Second, or Junior, as I always

509
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: like to say, I don't know why people go with

510
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: the second when Junior is right there and it's way

511
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: more fun. Yeah, well, they just don't want to be

512
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: called junior their whole act. I know. It's more like

513
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: we've said that last time, like it's more regal to

514
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: be the second than junior. But junior. Uh So. His

515
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: father had gone to what is now known as actually

516
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: Mercer University in Atlanta, and then he went back to

517
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: Cuba and ended up being the youngest mayor of Santiago

518
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: to Cuba, and he was elected to the Cuban House

519
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: of Representatives in two But in ninety three in Cuba

520
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of a revolution kind of

521
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: changed things, and Desiderio was jailed and all of his

522
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: property was confiscated. He was in jail for six six months,

523
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: and after that his brother in law went and negotiated

524
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: his release and they agreed to let him out of

525
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: jail and said, okay, you can get out, but you

526
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: gotta go into exile. You can't hang out in Cuba anymore.

527
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: So Desi Dariel packed up his family and they left

528
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: Cuba for Miami and then included the sixteen year old Desi.

529
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: Desi Arnez took a job at Woolworth's at first when

530
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: they got there, and then eventually he helped his father

531
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: run his tile business before finally shifting his focus to

532
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: show biz. All this time he's in school. He graduates

533
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: high school. Once he's finished, he decided to start a

534
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: band and they were called the Sibney Septet. Sibney is

535
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: the coastal town in Cuba, not far from Desi's hometown.

536
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: So that and I guess there were seven of them,

537
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: all right? Yes? Is that Sibony sep set makes sense? Um?

538
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: This man got pretty big in Miami. He was doing

539
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: really well. He was hired for a touring show by

540
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: Xavier Cougart as a congo drummer and singer, and he

541
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: became the featured main attraction. And then he branched out

542
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: moving to New York and he started his own band,

543
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: the Desi Arnez Orchestra, and he took off in the

544
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: club scene in New York City. He really started to

545
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: make a name for himself in the mid thirties when

546
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: he popularized the congo line conga, Yeah, I mean, can

547
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: you imagine, I mean this guy get my time machine

548
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: and go back and do a couple of nights in

549
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: the New York City club where Desi Arnaz please please,

550
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: this is I really just want a time travel agency,

551
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: like time travel destination. And you're just like, okay, we're

552
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: going to nineteen seventy four to David Bowie playing in

553
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: this tiny ass club and definitely see a dick like

554
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: that's your first stop. Then he just like to pull

555
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: it out. Okay, it's not all our premiere package is

556
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: David Bowie's package. I mean a lot of people would

557
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: pay a lot of money for that. I did pay

558
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: a lot of money to see that. It's chast Dain

559
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: Park a few years back, many years back now, huh yeah,

560
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: many years restic So in ninety nine, Desi Arnaz ended

561
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: up on the radar of popular musical writers Rogers and Heart,

562
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: who cast him in their new Broadway musical Too Many Girls.

563
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: You might remember Rogerson Heart from some of their other

564
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 1: hit Broadway shows in the Time, The Girl Friend, She's

565
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: My Baby. One damn thing after another, Damn d a

566
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: M I mean, is this a musical about the hoover? Damn?

567
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: It must have been right or beavers beavers? Maybe it

568
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: was a musical, but oh we are the beavers here

569
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: to build our Damn. It's just one damn thing after

570
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: another when you're a beaver. Really, competition was light back then.

571
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: Or how about the hit film that they wrote called

572
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: Hallelujah I'm a Bum. All right, I think that's coming

573
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: out in Criterion. Well, you know the song so well,

574
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: so why don't you sing me a song from Hallelujah

575
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm a Bun, Diana. Come on, let's hear it. I

576
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: don't work. I'll only drink from hold On, hold On.

577
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: That's the song. I remember it well. I don't work.

578
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: I'll only drink from Hallelujah I'm a Bum. They were

579
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: famous for their one line songs. That's just all right,

580
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: there's a whole story in there to that hook. Anyway.

581
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: Too Many Girls was a Broadway smash, and Desi as

582
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: well as a few other cast members, were signed with

583
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 1: r KAO Pictures to appear in the film version as well,

584
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: and they were brought out to Hollywood and they're like,

585
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: here's your new gig. You're a film actor now, baby.

586
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: We watched the trailer for this movie and you can

587
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: watch it too, it's online and it is I mean,

588
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, of course the classic old Hollywood trailers, big

589
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: words flying across the screen, really awkward cuts. So it's

590
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: just like it's just a showcase. They're not trying to

591
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: tell you what the movies about or anything. It's just like,

592
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: you like movies, Come see this one. Look, there's numbers,

593
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: there's people, there's dull dancing, flashing lights, and this one's

594
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: got like they show this whole like, uh, you know,

595
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: it looks like a Luau scene. There's fires and people

596
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: banging on drums and all this stuff. And the narration

597
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: introduces Desi Arnez as a torrid tempest from Latin America

598
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: who quote introduces the jungle rhythms of this year's most

599
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: sensational dance, The conga, and then it goes on to

600
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: call the movie a parade of youth and fresh gay

601
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: faces that look though they're going places. It's Latin. Did

602
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: I mentioned it is not white? Come see this movie

603
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: starring It's just like, it's very strange and certainly exploitative,

604
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: and considering Rogers and Heart who wrote it, and I'm

605
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: quite sure the non Latino director who made it probably

606
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: pretty racist. I think that Lush it looked pretty like,

607
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was just like a cultural mash up

608
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: of anything non white. You know, just look exotic stuff, right,

609
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: palm fronds. You'll pay to see that from the safety

610
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: of a movie theater. Right, everyone's barefoot? How crazy? So

611
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: obviously it is on the set of the movie that

612
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz meet for the first time,

613
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: and we are going to get to that meeting right

614
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: after this commercial, Pa, and welcome back to the show, everyone,

615
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: and Lucy and Desi are both on the set of

616
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: Too Many Girls. It's a little bit of foreshadowing in

617
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: that title. Very true. In the Littleton's book, it said

618
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: that when they met in the morning, Daisi didn't care

619
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: too much for this Hollywood brunette Starlett but by the

620
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: end of the day they were best friends. So they

621
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: really had some kindred spirits. I guess they found a

622
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: lot that instant chemistry, you know. Yeah. Lucy had been

623
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: romantically linked to a series of older men leading up

624
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: to this point, but Arnez was totally different from them.

625
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: He was actually six years younger than her, and he

626
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: knew the industry, but he wasn't a fixture in it

627
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: like a lot of her exes were, right right, he

628
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: didn't have that kind of like old Hollywood attitude. You know,

629
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: he's fresh, he's fresh and new, yeah, and young and hot. Yeah. Unfortunately,

630
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: he was actually in a serious relationship the time when

631
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: they met, and by some accounts, he was actually engaged

632
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: at the time. So you know, even though they connected

633
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: so well, they really bonded right away. It just looked

634
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: like their flirtations wouldn't amount too much of uh nope, nope,

635
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: never mind. No, he asked her out that very night,

636
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: because you see, to Daisy Arnez, there was no such

637
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: thing as too many girls running the will go throughout

638
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: his life. Spoiler alert, they fell in love fast these two.

639
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: In fact, sparks were flying so quickly. Her friends said

640
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: it wouldn't last a year. They thought it would like

641
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: burn itself out as quickly as it popped up. You've

642
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: seen those couples. Oh yeah, Lucy herself told People magazine

643
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: in night. Everybody gave it about a year and a half.

644
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: I gave it six weeks. And they even lied about

645
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: their ages to the press. She brought hers down by

646
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: three years to and he brought his up by three

647
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: years to five. And reporters kept asking them, hey, Lucy, Desi,

648
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: when a't you gonna get hitched? And they were just like,

649
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Like no, we are so different,

650
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: it'll never work. One thing we know for sures, we're

651
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: never getting married. And then on November ninety Lucy and

652
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: Desi were married after eloping to Greenwich, Connecticut. So romantic,

653
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: and that was after less than a year of dating.

654
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: So again, fast and furious, all about family. No happy

655
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: birthday to me, and uh Winston Churchill, all right, yeah,

656
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: it's a very famous day. So Desi in ninety two

657
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: was drafted into the army for World War Two. He

658
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: was still technically a Cuban citizen, but foreign nationals with

659
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: residency in the US still had to register for the draft.

660
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: And this wouldn't automatically grant citizenship, but it did facilitate

661
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: the process if someone decided to pursue American citizenship later

662
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: it look good. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I would hope. So

663
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: we don't care. You know, you you talk about a

664
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: lot of the black soldiers, they would come back and

665
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: not get ship. I mean, you know, I mean yeah, well, yeah,

666
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: the number of times in history that fighting for your

667
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: country didn't really get you Jack Squad is not unique

668
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: to this country and uh and many times across the world.

669
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: But anyway, he had been drafted and before reporting though

670
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: he had a serious knee injury, he went ahead and

671
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: completed his circuit training and he tried to go for

672
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: active service, but they classified him under limited service because

673
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: of the injury. So instead of sending him into the battlefield,

674
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: they were like, what do we do with this DESI

675
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: Arnez guy. He wants to help, he wants to fight

676
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: for his country, but he's got that bum knee. Oh

677
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: I got an idea, and they assigned him to direct

678
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: USO shows in Los Angeles. I mean, the guy knew

679
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: how to entertain and more than that, he knew what

680
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: people wanted. Nobody knew that about DESI. I mean, he

681
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: was had such a connection to the crowds, to the

682
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: people he knew what entertainment was. I'm just I'm sorry

683
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: because I'm just picturing someone like what I fought for

684
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: this conchway by directing U SR shows it didn't right.

685
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: It takes all kinds. No, they're very important. There's a

686
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: lot of ways to serve your country, and but it

687
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: still makes me that, for example, does he noticed that

688
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: the first thing wounded soldiers always asked for was a

689
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: cold glass of milk. So he rounded up all these

690
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: movie starlets that he knew, got them to come to

691
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: the hospitals and pour milk for wounded soldiers. And there

692
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: was this whole thing like they loved it. And obviously

693
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: his superiors were like, damn this our our hospital is

694
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: the happiest hospital in the army. So it makes sense,

695
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: like a taste of home. I guess you wouldn't have milk,

696
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: powdered milk or something. I mean, at the time, a

697
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: cold glass of milk was like the thing, I don't.

698
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: We don't do that anymore, you know, yeah, milk milk.

699
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: I am so look, I'll eat milk on but I'm

700
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: not going to drink a glass of milk on its own.

701
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: Some people still love it. I never understood that. Yeah,

702
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. As a kid, I liked it, I guess,

703
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: but I definitely agree out of it. And it's just

704
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: a weird dietary change from our parents to lifetime to now.

705
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's just how much milk people drink, right,

706
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's entirely due to the marketing of the

707
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: dairy industry, you know. I mean we remember that got

708
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: milk ship. Every every celebrity had a milk mustache at

709
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: some point. But even then, we weren't drinking as much

710
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: milk as you know, Like my dad would talk about

711
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: having a glass of milk with every meal. He was

712
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: like a cheeseburger and a whole glass of milk, like

713
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: that was a lunch. And I'm like you and he

714
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: was like you, like it sounds awful, But at the time,

715
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: it's that seems like a healthy like a healthy thing

716
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: to do grown grown bones or whatever. I don't know

717
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: milk milk, you know, we don't know about milk. It

718
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: We're always learning. Now we're drinking milk from nuts. So anyway,

719
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: in three Lucy was cast in the film. Dberry was

720
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: a lady opposite Red Skeleton and Gene Kelly. More big names,

721
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: two big names, and they were like, you're great, baby,

722
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: we love you, but your hair something I ain't working here,

723
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: doll face. So they brought in the famous Hollywood Golden

724
00:43:46,800 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: Age hairstylist, Sydney Larf. I feel like I'm doing. So

725
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: they brought in famous Hollywood Golden Age hair stylist, Sydney Guilaroff,

726
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: and he's basically like, I got it. And suddenly Lucy

727
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: ole Ball was a redhead. Side note, Lucy's onset hairstylist

728
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: for I Love Lucy was Irma Cousley, who said that

729
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: her hair wasn't so much red as it was a

730
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 1: golden apricot color. She said she used regular hair dye

731
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: and then this Hannah Rence to achieve this perfect color

732
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: whole formula. Yeah, I mean, they didn't just be like,

733
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: get her whatever, therst redheage. They really thought about this.

734
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: And it's true, it's's kind of almost blonde, but it's

735
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: got that to it. It's pretty um and the rent,

736
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: the Hennah Rince was very hard to find. But while

737
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: she was in Las Vegas, Lucy met a wealthy man

738
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: who had some innections and he managed to find a

739
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: huge quantity of it. So she's like, bought it in

740
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: bulk from this unstop costco. Then she met in Vegas.

741
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: He's like, you need some means? Opened this coat upright, coat,

742
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: It's like all these different colors. He's like, you want

743
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: auburn brown, got red, I got golden red, I got

744
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: brick red. I got uh old tooth yellow. Not that one.

745
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: Why do you have that one? You'd be surprised anyway.

746
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: So he found she went to Yeah, she got her

747
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: hook up with this shady wealthy guy and acously ended

748
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: up keeping this huge stock of heneans in a safe

749
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: in her garage. So funny to be like put it

750
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: under lock and key. I mean, yeah, no one, no

751
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: one else could have Lucy's hair color. Where's the heist

752
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: movie where they deal Lucy's hairclothe? That sounds like something

753
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: Carmen San Diego would steal. It does stole all the monkeys,

754
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: all the lemurs from India, and Lucy Ball's hair die.

755
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: So even while directing the USO shows, Daisy is still touring.

756
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: He's spending a long stretches on the road and Lucy

757
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: is building her career in Hollywood. So even when they

758
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: were home together, they barely saw each other. They were

759
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: working these insane show biz hours or spending again weeks

760
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: on the road, just separate from each other because you know,

761
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: show business is glamorous and everything, but it's a lot

762
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: of work. It's a lot of work to create content.

763
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: And yeah, like you say, such long. I remember our

764
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: first year of marriage was your first time being full

765
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 1: time on a film set. And yeah, seven months went

766
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: by and we only saw each other on Sundays and

767
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: that was pretty much it. Pretty much. So it was

768
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: very easy first marriage. We cannot find a lot but

769
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: but also it could be hard, I guess because you're not,

770
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, together building a relationship. Yeah, and it's not

771
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: even necessarily just creating the content, but you're also you know,

772
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: when you're someone like Desi Arnaz or Lucille Ball, you're

773
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: also like managing your own uh you know, you're you

774
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: are the product, you know, and you have to manage that.

775
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: You're selling yourself, you're marketing yourself. You're you're constantly working

776
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: even when you're not on set shooting or in front

777
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: of the audience playing, And yeah, and you're management going on,

778
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: and you have to take opportunities when they come up,

779
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: even if they're not conveniently times, you know, stuff like that.

780
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: So anyway, because of all this separation, they're spending a

781
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: lot of time on the phone. They're constantly on the

782
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: phone with each other. Desi once said, we could have

783
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: bought a T and t um, but unfortunately when they

784
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: were on the phone, they would just scream at each

785
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: other and accuse each other of infidelity, not verty loving

786
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: phone calls that they were getting in the meantime. And

787
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: it's unlikely that Lucy was cheating, there's no evidence that

788
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: she had affairs at this time or anything, um. But

789
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: in Desise Desise case, he definitely was. He was absolutely

790
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: positively cheating. And later in his life he attributed his

791
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: difficulties with fidelity to his upbringing because he said his

792
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: father and his grandfather both had mistresses, they had children

793
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: outside of their marriages, um, And so he was just

794
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: kind of like it just monogamy is just not something

795
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: I that comes naturally. But unfortunately for Lucy it was

796
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: something that was very important to her. Yeah, Lucy really

797
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: wanted a more traditional family life, and Desi thought this

798
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: was a traditional family life. I think like he just

799
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: wasn't instilled with that belief that like, yeah, one husband,

800
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: one wife and that's it. And it sounds like a

801
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: bullshit excuse to step out on your wife, but that

802
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: there is something to be said for that, as we

803
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: have come up across in many of our episodes, that

804
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: is a that is a way that many cultures have

805
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: been set up in the past, and even our own.

806
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we just did Founding Fathers. They were full

807
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: of mistresses, shock full of mistresses everybody. But but you know,

808
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: it's okay. If monogamy doesn't come naturally to you, that's

809
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: all right. But you do have to find a partner

810
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: for whom that's okay. And in this case, they did

811
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: not find that partner. They were very much not on

812
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: the same page about what a happy marriage was meant

813
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: to look like, right right, And it's about, like you said,

814
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, the agreement that you make when you get married,

815
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: if that is you know, yeah, you and me forever,

816
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: then that's the promise you're supposed to keep, you know,

817
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: and and not break without at least bringing it to

818
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: the negotiating table. You know, if you're not if you're

819
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: not willing to speak to your spouse about your wanting

820
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: to sleep with other people, then you shouldn't be doing it.

821
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: Then you're not you know, you don't have your ship

822
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: together enough. And if you speak to them and they

823
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: say that's not something uncomfortable with then that's that's kind

824
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: of it if you want to keep that relations right exactly,

825
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: and you should have talked about about that before you Yeah,

826
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, things can come up. It's

827
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: a lifetime, so obviously things come up, people change, But

828
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: you know, you hope that you have a strong enough

829
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: relationship to withstand having a theoretical conversation about something exactly,

830
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, I hope so anyway, right, But that is

831
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: something that Desi did not do unfortunately, so it caused

832
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: a lot of strife for the two of them over

833
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: the years. Although must be said, Desi did not father

834
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,479
Speaker 1: any children besides his and Lucy's children, so he wasn't

835
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: out here run around with a bunch of babies, a

836
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: bunch of women, you know, acting crazy right like his

837
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: father and grandfather did, right, causing trouble or whatever. So

838
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 1: that's something at least, but still it was not enough

839
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: for Lucy in she had had enough and she filed

840
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: for divorce. She cited extreme mental cruelty, and she later

841
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: admitted that it pretty much all came down to his

842
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: constant cheating and obviously, oh yeah, well, I mean, and

843
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: then if all they're ever doing is fighting because of it,

844
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: the absolutely and the divorce was ugly, and it was

845
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: as contentious as their marriage had been. Lucy moved out

846
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: and more or less refused to see or speak to him.

847
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: But then the night before the court date, Desi called

848
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: her up. She picks up the phone, like, yeah, what

849
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: do you want dose. He's like, hey, you know what,

850
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: let's just go to dinner, and she agreed. All right,

851
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: So our last night being married tomorrow we're finalizing the

852
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: thing in court, Yeah, we'll go out to dinner. And

853
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: they walked into this nightclub and everybody in there does

854
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: a double take because, I mean, they're fighting, they're arguing,

855
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: and their actual divorce was all over the papers at

856
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: this point, so seeing them out together was like, oh,

857
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: murmur murmur murmur. Jennifer went out, good god, you know,

858
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,959
Speaker 1: broke the internet. So by the end of the meal,

859
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: they are laughing and flirting and having a great time,

860
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: and Lucy says, I want to go dancing, and together

861
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: they go out after dinner and they dance all night long,

862
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: and Desi says, hey, let's go back to my place

863
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: for a night pap. Lucy says, yeah, absolutely, let's do it.

864
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: They get back to Desi's house, he puts on a record,

865
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: he pours her a drink, and they're sitting on the

866
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: couch and they're still giggling. They're still high from what

867
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: a fun night they've been having. And Desi stares into

868
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: Lucy's mischievous eyes and she gives him a koy smile

869
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: and the air is just thick with this red hot tension,

870
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: and she puts her hand on the side of his

871
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: face and she says well, and he says well, and

872
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: Lucy stands up and says, I gotta go and does.

873
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: He's like, whoa, whoa wa wait, where are you going?

874
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: And she says, well, I'm divorcing you in the morning,

875
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: and she walks out the door and drives home to

876
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: get some rest, and sure enough, the next morning she

877
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: went to court and the divorce was finalized. But immediately

878
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: after the proceedings, she got in her car and she

879
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: went straight back to Desi's place. He's like, what are

880
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: you doing here, and she says she explains to him

881
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: that there's a California law at the time that nullifies

882
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: any divorce if the couple didn't spend a year apart

883
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: after their divorce date. So she clearly knew that this

884
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: was gonna undo it, and she went back to his place.

885
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: And Choirer has an article that says an MGM insider

886
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: speculated that she didn't want to waste the two thousand

887
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: dollars she spent on legal fees, but didn't she anyway

888
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: if they nullified it. Yeah, but she's yeah, but she's like,

889
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pay for this whole thing and then

890
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: not do it. Those papers sides, I think speculation station

891
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: that she just wanted to put him through it. I

892
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: think she wanted him to feel like, no, no, this

893
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: can happen to you. Yeah, that's a good point. That's

894
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: also a Leo move. That's a straight Leo move, like

895
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: I will make you miss me. Oh yeah, she was not.

896
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: She's like, you're going to feel this divorce. You're gonna

897
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: know what happened. And then it didn't happen. But right

898
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: when you're crying your eyes out. I'll show up at

899
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: your door and say this nullifies everything. So that was

900
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: their famous twenty four our divorce, only Lucy and DESI

901
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: pull that off. I love that. Desi was like, let's

902
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: go out. What a guy he was? Like, you know,

903
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: you have to admit, he must be pretty smooth, unbelievable.

904
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: First of all, he's very handsome, definitely got charm coming

905
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: out of his butte, like so, I just I love

906
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: the idea of him being like, come on, let's just

907
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: how dinner you and me? And that's son of a bit.

908
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm gonna go. He must have been so fun, yeah,

909
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and I think that's what It's probably

910
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: what got him all the ladies to begin with. That,

911
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: it's certainly what's made him irresistible to Lucy. And he

912
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: was smart, oh yeah, because he was smart. So yeah,

913
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: he couldn't be some idiot. No, no, definitely, And it's

914
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: time to get into just how smart both these guys were.

915
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: As soon as we come back from this commercial break

916
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: and we're back with more, Lucille Bald and Desi Arnez. Yeah.

917
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: So they were divorced for two but after that whole

918
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: debacle divorced debacle. They decided they really were going to

919
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: work harder and try and steer their professions in a

920
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: way where they could spend more time together because they

921
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: were like, clearly, that really pulled us apart the first time.

922
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: We don't want that. We're gonna be intentional about our choices.

923
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: Get it together. It reminds me, honestly of Robert and

924
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: Susan Downey, who made and who made that agreement of like,

925
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: we're not gonna we are not allowed to let two

926
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: weeks pass that us seeing each other, and then eventually

927
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: we're going to have to work together so that we

928
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: can see each other more often. And quite frankly, we

929
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: have done similar things. I mean here we are working

930
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: together now after like you said, when I was working

931
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: on set, which I love and miss and we'll probably

932
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: do again to some degree. But not seeing each other

933
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: for seven eight months is tough. It's not how you

934
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: want to live your life. Um, when you've got someone

935
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: you want to spend your time with, necessarily, some people

936
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 1: do it and do it amazingly well and it works

937
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: so well for them, and that's awesome. So yeah. In

938
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: Lucy starred in a hit radio series with Steve Yes

939
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: called My Favorite Husband. What was this about? Uh? She

940
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: was playing opposite an actor named Richard Denning. Desi was

941
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: touring with his new band at the time. He was

942
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: doing great. Reportedly, though he wanted to be closer to

943
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: home and he was getting interested in having children, so

944
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: he was sort of feeling more domestic at this point

945
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: in CBS wanted to adapt My Favorite Husband for TV

946
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: because it was doing so well in the radio. Why not,

947
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: And they wanted Lucy and Richard Denning to both play

948
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: their roles on television, but Lucy said, no, this is

949
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: a perfect chance for me and Desi to be working

950
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: together in the same town with the same schedule. Daisy

951
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: is going to play my husband period, end of story.

952
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: That's how we're doing it. Of course, CBS was very

953
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: resistant at first because they're all worried about an interracial

954
00:57:55,160 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: marriage being agreeable to American audiences. Oh, They're like, oh,

955
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about two people of slightly different skin tones

956
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: being married on a black and white television show. Outrageous.

957
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: The American people will not stand for it. Yeah, we

958
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: spent all this time telling himbout Latin. He was sure,

959
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: did we made a big deal out of this guy

960
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: being very exotic. We can't walk it back now, he

961
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: can't be married to a white woman. White women everywhere

962
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: we want to leave their boring US husbands. That's probably

963
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: what they were really worried about. Latin Lavaria with Jungle River. Yeah,

964
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: maybe so. My wife loves him, obviously. Lucy and DESI

965
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: are like, I can tell you that people definitely won't

966
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: have a problem with this because we live this life

967
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: every fucking day and it's been fine. So they decide

968
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,479
Speaker 1: that they have a plan. They're like, look, Americans, they're

969
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: going to be fine with this. You know, executives, stop

970
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: putting your own racism onto the American people as a whole. Right.

971
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: I hate that, you know, Uh, TV executives or marketing

972
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: people or whoever will be like, uh, the American people

973
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: don't know what they want. We tell them what they want.

974
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: But then when something like this comes up there like, oh,

975
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: the American people won't accept it, they won't like it,

976
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: Like which is it? And I know which one it is.

977
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: You can show them whatever and they will be fine

978
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: with it. And if they're not, you'll teach them to

979
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: be fine with it. Yeah, come on, y'all, don't make

980
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: it a big deal. And no, probably people won't even

981
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: fucking notice like half the time. Literally, just your own

982
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: racism stopping that from happening, exactly. And then yeah, and

983
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: then you're blaming everyone else in the freaking country for it,

984
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: and it's your own. It's not me. I'm not racist,

985
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: but every other American is. So I can't. I'm sorry,

986
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: I can't give you the job. So Lucy and DESI

987
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: are like, we just have to prove these shitty old

988
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: racists wrong. Uh, And it'll be easy enough. In the

989
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: summer of nineteen fifty, they put together a live vaudeville

990
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: act and went on tour. At the time, vaudeville was

991
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: still the most common way to see comedy in America. TV,

992
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: of course, was just limited to certain hours, and of course,

993
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: many households in the country still didn't have a television,

994
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: so touring theatrical shows was the best way to reach

995
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: the widest audience. What a time, wow, imagine that. So

996
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: they got their friend Pepito Perez to help them put

997
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: together this crazy act about a cookie housewife trying to

998
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: get into her husband's show. They would tell jokes back

999
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: and forth, and they'd sing little songs in between them.

1000
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: The whole gag basically being Lucy undercutting desise jokes or

1001
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: coming in with an unexpected punchline and people were rolling

1002
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: in the aisles laughing. These guys were a hit. You

1003
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: can see some of their vaudeville acts uh on online.

1004
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: There's some videos. I think they were all retaped later,

1005
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: like it wasn't obviously filmed vaudeville shows. I don't think

1006
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: they did that too often, but they did redo some

1007
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: of these bits, you know, act they were famous and

1008
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: put them on TV and stuff. The show is a

1009
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: total hit, and obviously you don't take comedy gold like

1010
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: that and just leave it sitting in a storage chunks somewhere.

1011
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: A lot of these bits from the vaudeville show were

1012
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: then incorporated onto the show I Love Lucy, Like they

1013
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: did the famous bit where Lucy acts like a trained

1014
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: seal honking horns. It's in the show. That was a

1015
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: bit that was used in an episode called the Audition,

1016
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: where Lucy busts into Ricky's audition for a TV show

1017
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: and acts like a damn fool and mimics a trained seal,

1018
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: and the TV executives end up offering her a TV

1019
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: contract instead of Ricky Hilarious. Obviously, she turns it down

1020
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: at the end and decides to give up her pursuit

1021
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: of show business, obviously until next week's episode when she

1022
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: got into some other zany action activities to do it again.

1023
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: So CBS looks at the success of this vaudeville act

1024
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: and they're like like, oh my god, look at that.

1025
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: Turns out America loves you guys. Man, we're so smart.

1026
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: We had such a great idea of putting you guys

1027
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: together as doing Daisi is an interracial couple. This, oh,

1028
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: we really deserve a race. What did a good jobs?

1029
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: So they said, okay, all right, fine, y'all can do

1030
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: a show. Um, you could be a couple of actors

1031
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: who play husband and wife on a radio show. And

1032
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: Lizzie and Daddie are like, hell no, that is not

1033
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: what we want. What we have proven to you is

1034
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: that we can just be ourselves. They're like, this is

1035
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: about us as to real life married people. We're not

1036
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: going to pretend to be married because we are married.

1037
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: That'd be like I heart being like, why don't you

1038
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: guys pretend to be a married couple and talk about America.

1039
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: We're like, uh, can we skip a step? So CBS

1040
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: is really still just trying to bury the reality of

1041
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: a white woman being married to a Latino, Like yeah,

1042
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: they're still just kind of like, well, we're gonna how

1043
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: many a plot point and how many steps can we

1044
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: put in between you know, the reality of the situation

1045
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: and what's on TV. You're okay, you're married, but you're

1046
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: married as actors on a radio show, in a simulation

1047
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: on a TV show. You know, people think of this

1048
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: kind of thing happens in real life, right, well, this

1049
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: is our real life. Yeah yeah, but but but what

1050
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: if brain explodes? What weell Americans this can happen, then

1051
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: all our wives are gonna leave us for Latino. Then

1052
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: I guess that's all I can figure is their fear here,

1053
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: right certainly, well maybe if you weren't such a shitty husband. No, no,

1054
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: that's not oh no, it's not me. Anyway. Eventually they

1055
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: finally cave and they're like, fine, my fine, people are

1056
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: down with interracial married couples. Fine, but they love the

1057
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: wacky show biz comedy. So here's what we'll do. It's

1058
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: going to be a show about Lucy and Larry Lopez,

1059
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: a successful showbiz couple trying to maintain a normal marriage

1060
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: and the chaos of their professional success. I mean, I'm

1061
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: curious about this show. Okay, okay. So they write a

1062
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: few scenes and they start taking it to focus groups.

1063
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, look at these Look at these wacky

1064
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: rich actors trying to live their lives while they're constant

1065
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: business and fame keeps getting in the way. How relatable.

1066
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: So obviously, the market research comes back, and surprise turned out,

1067
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to watch a couple of rich people pretending

1068
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: like being too famous was a problem for them ahead

1069
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: of its time. You could say with me until the

1070
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: two thousands that we wanted to say that is. So

1071
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: back the drawing board and they've got all these ideas,

1072
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: how can we have Lucy and Desi as a ma

1073
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: married couple on TV? All these ideas come and go

1074
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: across the desk, and eventually they settle on a show

1075
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: about Lucy and Ricky Ricardo. Ricky is a struggling band

1076
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: leader and Lucy is an aspirational housewife with big dreams

1077
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: and a knack for trouble. Focus groups, you guys good

1078
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: with this, and they're like, yeah, all right, I'll give

1079
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: it a shot. I mean, you gotta remember this is

1080
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: a time, okay, you and I and I'm sure a

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01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: lot of our audience remembers a time when there were

1082
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: twenty four hours of television. A few some of those

1083
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: hours were prime time. And you know, that's how much

1084
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: time there was for TV to exist. If you couldn't

1085
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: fit it on one of the channels in those twenty

1086
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: four hours, we weren't going to do it. So that's

1087
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: a limitation right there. And already you've got shows competing

1088
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: for the best time slots or to get made at all.

1089
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: Flashback to this period and there's even fewer hours of

1090
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: TV available because TV is not on all the time.

1091
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: It's pretty much only prime time if I'm not mistaken,

1092
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: and competing for those narrow a few hours. They had

1093
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: to know a show was going to work if they

1094
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: were going to make it, because they had a bunch

1095
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: of ideas, which one are we going to spend money on?

1096
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so crazy to think of now

1097
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: where now it's the opposite. Now they're just like, yeah,

1098
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: we'll make whatever you bring us, and we'll see if

1099
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: people watch it, and if it trends, then we'll make

1100
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: more what a weird, very very different time to be alive. Yeah, seriously, yea,

1101
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, it must have been so insanely competitive. I

1102
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: mean it's competitive now and there's limitless opportunities for content,

1103
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: as you say, and back then it must have just

1104
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: been you did a vaudeville show, maybe did something live,

1105
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: I guess if you couldn't take it to a picture.

1106
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: But but even then, yeah, I mean, like now, even

1107
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: if you don't get a studio, make your TV show, Like,

1108
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: if you've got a couple hundred bucks and some free time,

1109
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: you can make it, put it on YouTube. Back then,

1110
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: if you had an idea, have fun. I hope, I

1111
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: hope you can eat that for dinner, because that's about

1112
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: the most useful thing you can do with that idea.

1113
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: There's four hours of television a week. Got time for

1114
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:26,439
Speaker 1: your show. Yeah, they're taking But Lucy and Desi are

1115
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: cut above and they made it happen. I Love Lucy

1116
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: premiered on October one, seven years to the day after

1117
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: they reconciled their twenty four divorce. I can't let a

1118
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: pesky thing like a little divorce get in the way

1119
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: of your power couple like them. Yeah, the title was

1120
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: chosen by producer Jess Oppenheimer. They had dozens of titles

1121
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,439
Speaker 1: that they had pitched and they had to pick something

1122
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. The working title was simply Lucy, but that

1123
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: was never meant to be final. Eventually, out of all

1124
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: the options in front of him, Jess Oppenheimer just kept

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01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: coming back too. I Love Lucy, he said. It conveys

1126
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: the essential nature of the show, an examination of marriage

1127
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: between two people who truly love each other. Yeah, it

1128
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: was like, I love Lucy. He's we love Lucy, but

1129
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: so does Ricky Ricardo. Well yeah, I remember you saying like, well,

1130
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, how did they pick that to have? It

1131
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: was so much about the two of them, and how

1132
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: is it just her name and the title? But I

1133
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: was thinking about that, like, it's not necessarily though, because

1134
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: we're the title is the perspective of Ricky, So they're

1135
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: both kind of there, and so it just sort of

1136
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: conveys that that loving nature of the show comedy. Yeah, well, look,

1137
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: I Love Lucy was so much more than a hit.

1138
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:49,839
Speaker 1: The show itself, almost entirely due to Desis producing skills,

1139
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: Lucy's comedic talent, and both of their business acumen would

1140
01:08:55,400 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: revolutionize television comedy into what we know it as today. Together,

1141
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: Lucy and Desi formed the company Desilu Productions, and they

1142
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: were as clever in business as they were in comedy.

1143
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: They weren't just actors, and they weren't willing to settle

1144
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: for anything less than innovative, creative, high quality content. But

1145
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 1: they took it even further than that. At the time,

1146
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: most TV was shot live in New York and broadcast

1147
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: to the East Coast, and then the rest of the

1148
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: country would get a low quality kinescope three hours later.

1149
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: Kinescope is basically like a bootleg copy. There's literally a

1150
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: special camera that filmed a screen while the show played back. Oh,

1151
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 1: I guess literally you got CJ's phone video from the

1152
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: back of the theater. They're like just tape. It was

1153
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: rushed it out. They'd send that out to the West Coast,

1154
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: and then they had aired in primetime over there three

1155
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: hours later. So you couldn't film the show live in

1156
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: Los Angeles because by the time it's ready to go

1157
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: an airing at primetime at eight PM, it's already eleven

1158
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: PM in New York City. And so even if they

1159
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: got it out there three hours later, now it's two

1160
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: AM in New York. They're not going to watch it. Then,

1161
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,560
Speaker 1: that's way outside of prime time. But the Arns is

1162
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: loved living in l A. So Dasi said, well, we

1163
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,799
Speaker 1: ain't move into New York City and the network is like, okay,

1164
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: well how do you expect to make the show then?

1165
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,879
Speaker 1: But Dasi already had an issue with the existing format

1166
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: because kindescope quality was terrible. As we just said, look

1167
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: like c j's a little video from the theater. It

1168
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: was blurry, it sounded weird. You just didn't get the

1169
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: same experience. So Daisi goes to Philip Morris, a sponsor

1170
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: of There's, and said, hey, we want to shoot the

1171
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: show on film. And you know, the people of Philip

1172
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 1: Morris are like a TV show on film? Are you

1173
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,440
Speaker 1: kidding me? That's insane because the film is very expensive,

1174
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: you say, And then they don't need to shoot it.

1175
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: You've got a system there, like you film it live

1176
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 1: in New York, broadcast it live, and then they get

1177
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: a tape in l A later. Fine, whatever, it's been

1178
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: fine for six years or however long they've been doing this.

1179
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: At this point, fight fight, it ain't broke, Come on

1180
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: and Daisy says no, no, no, it's fine. We worked

1181
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: it out. How about this, We'll take a pay cut,

1182
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: we'll shoot the show on film ourselves, and then you

1183
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: can send it to both coasts at the same time.

1184
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: Everybody gets a better quality image. In exchange, we'll just

1185
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: take the rights to the episodes after they air, and

1186
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: Philip Morris agrees to provide the film. So CBS is like,

1187
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: CPS is like, oh, you want the rights to the

1188
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: episodes of TV after the air? Okay? Sure, who would

1189
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: care about old TV episodes? I mean they've already run.

1190
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Run them again? Like some

1191
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: some sort of re run sounds of purely idiotic. So okay,

1192
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: you're crazy kids, Sure you have the rights, have all

1193
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: the rights. You can have all the rights to the

1194
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: episodes after they air, So what a waste. We've got

1195
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: to go sort a big pile of money on fire.

1196
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: Oh man. All in all, reruns would go on to

1197
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: make desilu untold millions of dollars and the syndication markets.

1198
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: It's still considered to be one of, if not the

1199
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 1: best deal ever made in television history. And I mean again,

1200
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: you've got to imagine these guys have got only a

1201
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: couple hours a night of TV. They're not thinking about

1202
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: episodes airing again. No one has ever watched a TV

1203
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: episode twice before. That's so longheaded though, for them to

1204
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 1: go how many times do people come back and come

1205
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: back to the vaudeville show? They come back and see

1206
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: a play forty times. They want to see it again?

1207
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: You want it? Yes, I know We're going to find

1208
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 1: a way at some point in TV to show it

1209
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: to him again. And I want to make the money

1210
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 1: off that ship. And that is just the beginnings of

1211
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 1: the brilliance that Desi specifically and Lucy together with him,

1212
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: brought into television and just changed the game because of that,

1213
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: I think, because like we said, they were so connected

1214
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: to people right from their upbringings. Like Lucy wanted people

1215
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: to adore her. She wanted to show them something. She

1216
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 1: wanted them to be dazzled by whatever she gave them,

1217
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: and she studied that she knew how to do that.

1218
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: And Desi was right there with everyone in their face,

1219
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: playing the conga drums, you know, while they're cheering and

1220
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: having a great time, and he he could read the

1221
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 1: crowd a bandleader absolutely absolutely. You know, do I slow

1222
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: it down? Do I s beat it up? Are we?

1223
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: We all know the difference between a good DJ and

1224
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: about K and yeah, it's the same with a band leaders.

1225
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: It was essentially the DJ of his time. He had

1226
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: to be like, I'm in charge of the whole vibe

1227
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: of this entire room, and I need to be able

1228
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: to change it from if it's if it's a bummer vibe.

1229
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: I need to be able to pick that up exactly

1230
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: like I mean, And he did it. He had the

1231
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: talent for that. He's incredible. I was so amazed by

1232
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: by this deal, by by seeing that again, yet, like

1233
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: you said, in the way that TV executives just could

1234
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: not see it. Yeah, they were like minded. You know,

1235
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 1: you're thinking about immediate profit, and sometimes you leave a

1236
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: lot of money on the table when you think about

1237
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: immediate profit. Yep, but that, like I said, there's barely

1238
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: scratching the surface. I mean they are just getting the

1239
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: show started now, and uh, we're going to get into

1240
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 1: in part two the production of this show. The many

1241
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: other brilliant ideas, innovation and innovations that DESI had. That again,

1242
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: we're literally still watching today. Some of those most popular

1243
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: shows of today wouldn't be what they are if it

1244
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: weren't for some of the ideas that Desi had in

1245
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: the production process. And then Lucy's genius and impact on

1246
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: comedy is I don't even have to tell you how

1247
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: different things would be. She's incredible. She's one of the

1248
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,759
Speaker 1: funniest people in the world. And and we'll talk about

1249
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: in part two how she herself did not think she

1250
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: was that strong of a comedian, but just a very

1251
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: meticulous and rehearsed performer. But the woman was funny. I

1252
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: mean even some of her interviews, I'm like, that is

1253
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: a razor sharp wit. So come on, Lucy, give yourself

1254
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Speaker 1: a little more credit. She put in the work she did,

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Speaker 1: She was willing to put in the work to be better.

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Speaker 1: And it comes that you can always tell you know

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Speaker 1: your iconic it's because you put in the work. Yea.

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Speaker 1: And and you know, not not to spoil too much,

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Speaker 1: but just a little tease Lucy herself. Lucille had some

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Speaker 1: brilliant business decisions as well coming up and ended up

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Speaker 1: being a very powerful force in the producing side of

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Speaker 1: television um for a lot of her career. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I love this. I wish we could cram it all

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Speaker 1: into one, but you know your time is valuable, Our

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Speaker 1: time is valuable, and it's just too much. They're too big.

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Speaker 1: These are some of the most incredible people ever, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's really going to come out in part two.

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Speaker 1: So definitely stay tuned for that episode exciting finale. But

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Speaker 1: in the meantime, please let us know what you think

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Speaker 1: about this episode and and all the other ones that

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Speaker 1: we've done. You got any ideas for other episodes we

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Speaker 1: could do, please send him our way. We love those. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we get some great suggestions, so thank you for those.

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Speaker 1: Um Our email address is romance at I Heart Me

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Speaker 1: via dot com. That's right, and you can find us

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at oh great, it's Eli,

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Speaker 1: I'm at Dianamite Boom, and you can find the show

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Speaker 1: at Ridic Romance on both those platforms as well. We

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Speaker 1: can't wait to hear from you, and we can't wait

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Speaker 1: for you to hear from us on our next episode.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to tell everyone you know to listen to

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Speaker 1: the show, share it with them. That's the best way

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Speaker 1: to help us keep keep this train Merlin speculation, and

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Speaker 1: don't forget. If you haven't heard it yet, then Thursday's

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Speaker 1: episode of The Daily Zeitgeist, I'll be on and then

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Speaker 1: next week's next Thursday's episode, you can catch Diana on

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Speaker 1: their show. I'm excited. Yes, we're very extending to be there.

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Speaker 1: So cool. Yep, so we will catch you on the

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Speaker 1: next one. I love you bye, so long, friends, it's

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Speaker 1: time to go. Thanks so listening to our show. Tell

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