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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another edition of Club Sha Shay. I

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Speaker 1: am your host and also the proprietor of Club Shasha

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Speaker 1: and the guy that stopped by the club today to

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Speaker 1: have a drink in some conversation is a boxer, rapper actor.

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Speaker 1: He's a four division champ in the middleweight, super middleweight,

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Speaker 1: light heavyweight, and heavyweight division. Roy Jones you all my life,

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Speaker 1: the grinding all my life, sacond fice, hustle back price,

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Speaker 1: one slice got the bron dice swad all my life.

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Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life, all my life, the

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Speaker 1: running all my life up, sacri fice, hustle back price,

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Speaker 1: one slice got the ba dice to swathing all my life.

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Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life. R j what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Brou I'm good. I better. How you feeling, man, I'm

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Speaker 1: feeling good. I'm feeling good. So let's get right. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's start forward and then go backwards. You fought you

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Speaker 1: just coming off of fighting Mike Tyson on Saturday. What

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Speaker 1: you hope to accomplish by taking on this exhibition? I

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Speaker 1: don't know how you exhibition fight, but what did you

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Speaker 1: hope to accomplish by taking this fight? And did you

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Speaker 1: get out of this what you thought you would? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What I hope to accomplish was I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: give the fans something to look forward, to give them

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Speaker 1: some form of entertainment at a really downtime because the

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Speaker 1: COVID has everybody in such a bad place wearing a

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Speaker 1: mask and no, I mean you just can't appreciate people anymore.

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Speaker 1: So the COVID has us in such a divided state

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Speaker 1: that I feel like this fight or exhibition would help

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Speaker 1: give people something to do the man people of the

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Speaker 1: old times, bringing people back together, and also get some

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Speaker 1: good entertainment out of it. Is this something that you

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Speaker 1: would consider doing again? Not necessarily maybe fighting Mike, but

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Speaker 1: would you consider fighting someone that fought in the super

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Speaker 1: middle way to fought in the light heavyweight division with

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Speaker 1: this something that you would consider again? I probably wouldn't

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Speaker 1: consider much because I don't think many things could supersede

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Speaker 1: the numbers we did for that one. And if you

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Speaker 1: got that's gonna supersede those numbers, then it's not really

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Speaker 1: worth doing. However, there's a kid out there. We're not

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Speaker 1: a kid. There's a guy that by the name of

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Speaker 1: Silver who's a mixed martial artist. As for a legend,

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Speaker 1: who if you put two legends in the ring together,

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Speaker 1: people do pay to see So it's very possible that

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Speaker 1: he and I could get to get him do it,

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Speaker 1: but everybody else but that people don't really care, because

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Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta have two sides. What maybe me

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Speaker 1: and Mike so good was that you got two legends

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Speaker 1: on exercides. If you've got two legends or opposite sides,

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Speaker 1: then it's great. But if you've got a legend and

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Speaker 1: a guy that maybe I wish he was or wants

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Speaker 1: to be a legend, it's not necessarily what you try

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Speaker 1: to say, r J. What you try to say, if

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Speaker 1: you for anybody elder than it ain't gonna be the same.

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Speaker 1: And this is Anderson silver, but if they're Aeron silver

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Speaker 1: because he's an MMA legend, they ain't gonna be the same.

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Speaker 1: But he ain't got but he ain't got hands like Roy,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's the part though. But because

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Speaker 1: he's in a legend, they still would pay to see it.

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Speaker 1: If everybodys two legends does that kissing gad that where

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Speaker 1: he's going. But they're not really legend. So that's why

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Speaker 1: people are really gonna pay to see that, So why

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Speaker 1: don't ever waste my time doing that to give them

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to have another shot at me for no

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Speaker 1: reason when it's not gonna pay me enough to wan

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Speaker 1: worth my while? So why do it? But you hear

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Speaker 1: a lot of these other heavyweights calling out my Evan,

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Speaker 1: the holy Field, Buff the Douglas. Do you think this

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Speaker 1: is stuffing if Mike work. I don't know how serious

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Speaker 1: Mike took this fight, but do you think if Mike

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Speaker 1: were to train seriously, get serious, he and and Holy

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Speaker 1: Feel or he and Buster Douglas could do this thing

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Speaker 1: and it would be presentable. Yeah, it'd be presentable because

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Speaker 1: Mike's still just as dames as he always was. People

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Speaker 1: want to see any time it might get in the

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Speaker 1: it'd be presentable. But the problem with that is is

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Speaker 1: that the other guys have more to gain than Mike.

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Speaker 1: Do us right and send me Mike. Mike started a

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Speaker 1: legend everybody. If you say, okay, we're want that Holy

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Speaker 1: Feel I fight Buster Douglas. I mean for us as

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Speaker 1: the fans, They were like, Okay, who cares? You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? So it's like you gotta be very

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Speaker 1: careful because it's got to be something that the fans

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Speaker 1: want to see. Not trying to say nobody's better than

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Speaker 1: nobody now that, but it's got something the fans want

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Speaker 1: that they both beat ties in his hat. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's like I hadn't got to tell me the other day, Well,

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Speaker 1: Tapa say want to fight you? And how can say

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Speaker 1: you want to fight? Just strange because tarbas last fight

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Speaker 1: he won with against me? How to last fight he

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Speaker 1: wanted against me? So why don't people want to see

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Speaker 1: them fight each other? Why they want? Why they both

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Speaker 1: gotta call my name? You're Styf'm coming from what that

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Speaker 1: takes you to come up here? The guy? You hear

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Speaker 1: you hear me? So it's like, because you were the

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Speaker 1: has to come up when they don't realize what are

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Speaker 1: you getting from this? And our prime y'all couldn't touch me.

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Speaker 1: So it's like what am I getting from giving yall

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Speaker 1: shots and free shots at me? And I'm gonta pay y'all.

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Speaker 1: I got y'allant me to pay y'all, y'all as much

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Speaker 1: as I get for putting on a show against me.

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Speaker 1: When I'm uh uh, Mike said, are you surprised? Mike

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Speaker 1: said he was hot during the fight. Do you think

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Speaker 1: that was more because you know he didn't take the

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Speaker 1: fight serious for it had to do something with calming

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Speaker 1: him down. Mike just trying to stay calm. He don't

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Speaker 1: want to bite my ear because nor my body's hear back.

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Speaker 1: Mike just trying to be calm, do things the right way, right,

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Speaker 1: and scratching, because that can happen too, and he knows

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Speaker 1: both of us can go that route. So he trys

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Speaker 1: to come be political about it, get the people what

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Speaker 1: they want to see, but leave it all on a

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Speaker 1: positive note. And he did that. He left it all

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Speaker 1: on a positive note. He thought about kicking once, but

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Speaker 1: because I could tell he didn't. First rate, we didn't

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Speaker 1: do it. But because of smoking, it is probably why

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Speaker 1: he didn't do it. Understanding because a riot would have

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Speaker 1: broke out had he done. So it's like I think, God,

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Speaker 1: he hit him together long enough for us to get

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Speaker 1: that done and it was all good. What was your

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Speaker 1: approach in taking this fight? I mean it seems like, yo, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold. I'm gonna try to get a couple

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Speaker 1: of shots off. So going into this, what was roy

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Speaker 1: strategy in this fight? Tap Mike up, don't let him

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Speaker 1: land not one single right upper cut. I don't care

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Speaker 1: what do Revere say, Keep that right on. I'm tired

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Speaker 1: Uphen you get close to him, not let him get

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Speaker 1: your mama child with no right up and see me

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Speaker 1: get stay up, stay not that Mike. Tyson hit your

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Speaker 1: mama's child with no right upper cut. Roy, you believe

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Speaker 1: in your prime when when Roy Jones was at his

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Speaker 1: apex when nobody could see it, do you believe you

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Speaker 1: could beat Tyson in his prime and anybody else they

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Speaker 1: put in front of me? Oh on, Roy, I get it.

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Speaker 1: Look what you've done. Only one other fighter has ever done. Bopit. Simmons.

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Speaker 1: You talk about a middleweight that won a light heavyweight title,

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Speaker 1: but he did a reverse order. He was a middleweight

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Speaker 1: that won the heavyweight and then won the light heavyweight.

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Speaker 1: So what you've done, No other boxer, only Bombing Simmons,

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Speaker 1: has ever done to move up a middleweight super middle

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Speaker 1: light heavy win the heavyweight title. But Roy in his prime,

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Speaker 1: you thought, you think you could have taken could have

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Speaker 1: taken Tyson and my prime? The question with the band

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Speaker 1: camp Tyson deal with me. Hello, Roy, Look, look you

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Speaker 1: know I'm ro. I love you, you you, you and

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Speaker 1: my dog, royd you you my dog. And you had

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Speaker 1: hand you had feed that was unbelievable. You was very unorthodox.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people ain't throwing no lead hooks, ain't

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Speaker 1: boxed in the stands that you were in. Tyson. You

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Speaker 1: understand he was the most feared He might have been

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Speaker 1: the most feared man in the history of the boxing

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Speaker 1: in the boxing community. And Roy Jones at one hundred

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Speaker 1: and six day one, So what way do you think

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Speaker 1: you need to be at in the order to fight Tyson?

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Speaker 1: When I asked on, I meant when I asked, I

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Speaker 1: was two hundred pounds and I wanted him right the

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Speaker 1: end when I was at the apex of my career

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Speaker 1: because I still was reaching for things. Because you gotta remember,

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Speaker 1: I wanted I'm the first guy and the only guy

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Speaker 1: bout this. Simth didn't do this. I'm the only guy

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Speaker 1: to turn professional as a junior middleweight, which is one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four pounds correct capture the heaitweight title.

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Speaker 1: Boutisim didn't do. They turn for us middleweight. But with

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Speaker 1: that being said, when I wanted hit for eight title,

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Speaker 1: about this Simth did see I did. I wanted middleweight

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Speaker 1: super the weight which wasn't around with bout this. Simon

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Speaker 1: because I feel like that's what Bob Fi Simon did.

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Speaker 1: thought Mike Tyson in two thousand and three, after I

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Speaker 1: world he would have bet you couldn't even hit me

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Speaker 1: back there. My still good I had lost the twenty

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Speaker 1: five pounds muscle, yet my body hadn't started deteriorating on me.

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Speaker 1: Yet you couldn't test me, you thought, Ruis, I think

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Speaker 1: you way, what one ninety three, one ninety five, yep,

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Speaker 1: the beginning of Roy starting to not be Roy Jones?

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Speaker 1: Because you went up to one ninety five and then

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Speaker 1: you had to come back down and you started had

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Speaker 1: to shedding that weight and I had to cut the muscle.

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Speaker 1: That's when it began. That's when the demand has begin

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Speaker 1: because I cut muscle. I cut twenty five pounds of

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Speaker 1: muscle offs not just reag a weight muscle. My body

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Speaker 1: never did that, did nothing like that before. Ideally, all

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Speaker 1: the money fights were probably at what one sixty eight?

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Speaker 1: There was Tarburd and Hopkins. There was really no money.

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Speaker 1: There's really never been any money in the light heavyweight

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Speaker 1: had to go back down to get the pay days

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Speaker 1: because the only heavyweight you wanted to fight was Tyson,

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Speaker 1: only him. I wanted to fight with Mike Tyson, and

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Speaker 1: like I said, I was under the person that bobbing

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Speaker 1: someone on the middleweight, light heavyweight, heavyweight and recapture the

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Speaker 1: light heavyweight title. So if I wanted all that, I

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Speaker 1: had to go back and recapture that light hit with

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Speaker 1: title or I didn't do a bop thin sim sad right,

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Speaker 1: then that's what my prison was not about. What am

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Speaker 1: about the big winning fights. The big Monny fight was

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Speaker 1: why I would have fought Mike Tyson, I said, I

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Speaker 1: only hit with our fight is Mike Tyson wha because

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Speaker 1: just waiting for you to make a mistake, one mistake.

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Speaker 1: If you get you to make the right mistake, he

428
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Speaker 1: can land it. If you don't make that mistake, he

429
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Speaker 1: has a hard time landing. And Ferry knew how to

430
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Speaker 1: not make that mistake. Because you gotta remember, Furry also

431
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Speaker 1: heluded the greatest one of all of him to us,

432
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Speaker 1: the Chris Cooke brother hit him of all the right

433
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Speaker 1: hand punches like that he eluded Chris Cole straight right man,

434
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 1: he took it away from him, and that's why Kisco

435
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,959
Speaker 1: couldn't be there. Then he would did the same thing

436
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Speaker 1: while he took his right hand away from him. Say,

437
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Speaker 1: he's a master at taking away to one punch if

438
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Speaker 1: that's all you get, right, because he goes he keeps

439
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 1: sticking that jabbing, and Wilder didn't. Wilder didn't have a counter.

440
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Speaker 1: So in order in order to be elite, like you said,

441
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Speaker 1: you can win the heavyweight title, but to have sustainability,

442
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 1: you got to have more than one punch. You gotta

443
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 1: have more than one one one one one one tricking

444
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Speaker 1: in your room. Dicks, you gotta have a lot of

445
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: You gotta have more in your arsenal. And to me,

446
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 1: Tyson Fear, that's what I've told Tyson Fear about four

447
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: or five years ago. If you go get yourself together,

448
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 1: you can beat all of them because Tyson has a

449
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: bigger repertoire to most of the Hivway's heads. He has

450
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 1: more skills than most of them got. He don't have

451
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Speaker 1: the most power, but he got more skills than most

452
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Speaker 1: of them have. And people that don't understand boxing won't

453
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Speaker 1: understand it. I didn't realize how big he was, but

454
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Speaker 1: that is a giant of a man, six nine, with

455
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Speaker 1: that kind of read, with that kind with But but

456
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 1: like you said, he got skills. That's the other aspect

457
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Speaker 1: of that hype. Also, you gotta remember, why do youse

458
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Speaker 1: to punch people straight out in front of him or

459
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: punch him down on It's harder to punch up than

460
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: it's to punch straight out or punch down. You gotta

461
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Speaker 1: punch up to hear furious. That's what through Chris Goff,

462
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Speaker 1: that's what through wild Off. Let's talk about Floyd Mayweather,

463
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 1: because before your reign, before after your reign, he kind

464
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 1: of tipped the mantle. You were fight of the decade.

465
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Speaker 1: You did what you did, and then he came along.

466
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Speaker 1: He started out to think as a lightweight and moved

467
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Speaker 1: up to the junior middleweight one fifty four. Because I

468
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Speaker 1: think he took day La Joyer's belt at one fifty four,

469
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Speaker 1: but he wiped out everything from one forty one, forty seven,

470
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Speaker 1: one fifty four, one thirty one, one thirty six. I

471
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Speaker 1: think if the weight class thirty five thirty five, okay,

472
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Speaker 1: one thirty five, I think started by one. I think

473
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Speaker 1: he started by one thirty. Now he might start up.

474
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Speaker 1: I believe you're right. Talk to me about Mayweather. One

475
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Speaker 1: made him so great. He won the best defensive fighters

476
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Speaker 1: you've ever seen, and he's smart. He don't take on

477
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Speaker 1: stupid risk. He calls out, he fights, and he fights

478
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Speaker 1: to get the debut. He made the debut become very

479
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Speaker 1: relevant because he always fought to keep that debut. So

480
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: when you start fight and keep that debut made it

481
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Speaker 1: become even more smarter. And now he used that because

482
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Speaker 1: he was very smart businessman. He used at de w

483
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Speaker 1: t make people want to see him. Who's that debut?

484
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: So he was able to be smart to pick a

485
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Speaker 1: choo what he want to do because everybody wanted to

486
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: see that WI go away and he knew that, so

487
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: he played on it. But he's a very good fight

488
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Speaker 1: of very chalented athlete, a very smart guy, and a

489
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Speaker 1: very smart fighter. People said, well he didn't have well,

490
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 1: he can't punch, he don't got power. And my response

491
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Speaker 1: to him, I say, well, why don't people just run

492
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Speaker 1: in on it? If he ain't got no powers, ain't

493
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: nobody trying to run in on it? That's not true.

494
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Speaker 1: He saw he did the Rickor had and he showed

495
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Speaker 1: you got power not on one hand. He got power

496
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Speaker 1: in both hands. He just don't choose to fight that way, right,

497
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: he got gott it. I mean when you look at

498
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Speaker 1: the people that he got out of there before, like

499
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Speaker 1: you said, before, the w became the end all be all.

500
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Speaker 1: If you look at what he did at one forty

501
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Speaker 1: and one forty seven and one thirty five, he was

502
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Speaker 1: carrying the lightweight He carried that lightweight division. He carried

503
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Speaker 1: the one forty Artoro got it. The guys he bought

504
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: to knock out and he took him out. So he

505
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: did definitely have power in both hands. So he would

506
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Speaker 1: say he can't punch, that's not true. Now he's a

507
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Speaker 1: defensive fighter. Didn't use a lot of punches and then

508
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Speaker 1: throw a throw a lot of punches. Okay, I understand

509
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: you're saying that, But to say you can't punch you,

510
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: you're wrong. You can't punch in both hands. Defensive fighters,

511
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Speaker 1: you like Mayweather or you like sweet Pea, because I

512
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: don't think Sweetpea gets the credit that he deserves for

513
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: being his defense, for being a defensive fighter's great. He

514
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: was a great fighter, but his defense was impeccable. Also

515
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: the bad part of fighters. His defense was better than Floyd's,

516
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Speaker 1: but Flowyd's offensive power is better than sweet Peas. So

517
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Speaker 1: Floydi is harder, but sweep he has the best defense. Okay,

518
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on the spot here. This is eighty.

519
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: Give me your mount rush more boxers. It doesn't have

520
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: to be all heavy weights, it doesn't have to be

521
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: middle weights. This is that. Give me your mount rush more.

522
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Speaker 1: You get four boxes rowing, you get four four I'm

523
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Speaker 1: pulling me out of it, Okay, And I'll say myself

524
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Speaker 1: because okay, to of me, I'll bet the top of

525
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Speaker 1: my response. I'm gonna take me out of there. Okay.

526
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Speaker 1: But day at the top, Okay, I'm gonna put I'd

527
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Speaker 1: probably put Shy Robinson the second. Okay, I'm probably put

528
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Speaker 1: seven or sanchis third, Okay, and the proper will stop

529
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Speaker 1: there because after that I can take Lena Duran, Shy Bears, Hagler,

530
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: I go into kind of after that, but them top three,

531
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: that's my top three. I take in after that, but

532
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: them my top three. What would you say is the

533
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: golden era of boxing? The seventies? Why and the seventies

534
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: read ourselves to go to the Arab boxing because everybody

535
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: in the headweight division, if they were still around, you

536
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: probably take the top ten in the seventies and insert them,

537
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: each one of them in today's time, and each one

538
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: would be headwoy chap right now that they still because

539
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: that's how doable, that's how rugged, that's how well gifted

540
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: in boxing. Most of those guys was everybody in the

541
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Speaker 1: top ten back in that time was headweight champion, quality

542
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: or character type of fight. So you're looking at our league,

543
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Speaker 1: Ken Norton, George Foreman, h Larry Holmes, George Pray. Look,

544
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: pick which you want to pick? Pick? I mean one

545
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: of the great fighters of all times that people need

546
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: to go look at. And I said to it, I

547
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: watched a few fights that I will watch old look like.

548
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: I watched Herns them all the time. I watched Linda

549
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: Man a lot. I watch a Hagger, Hearns. I watched

550
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Speaker 1: Hagger Lena but one of the best, some of the

551
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: best fight because that's something. But the list goes on on.

552
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: But to really get a good appreciation of boxing, I

553
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: appreciation of boxing, you always have to go back and

554
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: watch George Foreman versus run Lyle one of the best

555
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: heavyweight fights ever then one of the heavway fights that

556
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: also touched me a lot as an older kid as

557
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: I was growing up in boxing. I became a Larry

558
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: Holmes fan after watching Larry Holmes fight Keen North because

559
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: I know how hard at the time kid Norton gave

560
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: Alie every time you've seen it, every time for Larry Holmes, come,

561
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: for Larry Holmes to come and deal with that same

562
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Speaker 1: thing and overcome, it was really exceptional to me. And

563
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: they need to become a Layer Holmes fan. Layer Home

564
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: was shooting that job. Layer Home didn't use that job

565
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: as arranged fight. He was using the duke and that right.

566
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: So there there's a lot of fighters. I mean, there's

567
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: really no American fighters. And people ask for where the

568
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: American heavyweights. They're playing defensive end or they're playing basketball

569
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: in the NBA, that's where they are. But if you

570
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: look at the lot of division, you look at Bud Crawford,

571
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: you look at Earl Spence Junior, you got some young fighters.

572
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: You want to see the Earl. You obviously Spence fights Garcia,

573
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: but do you want to see the Earl Spence, Bud

574
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: Crawford fight. I've been begging for the fight, begging for it.

575
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: And the problem, like I said, I understand with the

576
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: two promoters and how that goes, but it's like, you know,

577
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: for me, man, it's like the difference was I don't

578
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: everybody's is entitled to run it the way they want

579
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: to run. There. I learned from Ali and the other

580
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: old timers the way you played the game was you

581
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: played king of the hill. He can hit me to

582
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: the top, and you fight whatever come up to hell.

583
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: You gotta defend against anything that come up to hell

584
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: because you are the king of the hell when you

585
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: get up to the hell. That's what I was saying.

586
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: Now I'm ana fight that I fight. That's really not

587
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: king of to hell no more. But I understand so

588
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: different people did different things for different reasons. I didn't

589
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: fight the money. I fought for greatness and for a

590
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: legacy because I wanted to be king of the hell.

591
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I mean, so I took

592
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: it differently that some other people may take it. Other

593
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: people fought for different business reasons, so they didn't do

594
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: it well. I think it because they were looking for

595
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: ways to maximize their cash, But so everybody, but everybody

596
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: got the right to do what how they want to

597
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: do it. So you can't get mad at them for

598
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: doing the way they're gonna do it when they time

599
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: to come, they're supposed to do it their way my time, though,

600
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: I only knew from what the old times they taught me,

601
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: and I thought I was supposed to pay king of

602
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: the hell. That's what I did, and that's what the

603
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: problem is. Now they can sit there and have two

604
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: guys that everybody thinks are the best in their division.

605
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: But they can still play the left side the right side.

606
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: Once stay over there and once stay over there. No, no, no, no,

607
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: that's I that gold we need to see. They don't

608
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: stop at the AFC Championship, in NFC championsips. Okay, we

609
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: gotta oh no, no, no no, we got a super Bowl.

610
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: We gotta go to the super on the bell one

611
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: of these champions is the best, right right, So do

612
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: you do you believe they got two many bells? Now, No,

613
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: that't about two many bells. You can have all that,

614
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: you can have all that. You can have two many bells.

615
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: It don't matter longer. When the time come and it

616
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: come up top gaber here and a top guy here.

617
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: They must come have a super Bowl. We must see

618
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. We can't just stay there with an

619
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: AFC champion NFC champ every year. That's two many chap

620
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: We gotta bring all that to the middle at some point.

621
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, though, Roy, if I can okay, yeah,

622
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: I might can fight you and make twenty million, But

623
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: if I can just stay over here and make keen

624
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: million and fight people I know that I can, know

625
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: I can beat, why would I risk it. That's what

626
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: the problem is about, sus And that makes it if

627
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: you're hit it for the money. But see, I can't

628
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: see that night noticed another team over the undefeated, and

629
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: I ain't with see him. I can't. That's just why

630
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm I can't see that. I need to go see you.

631
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: Understand me, If you're that bad, I need to see you.

632
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: Got to show you that the I can't sneak I

633
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: don't care about I can't sneak knowing that there's an

634
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: equal but opposite. I gotta see him. I'm gonna ask

635
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: you to construct the boxer, and I'm gonna give you

636
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: some characteristics, and you tell me the boxer you want

637
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: to pull this from hand speed, Sugarte, Lennar knock out power, timing,

638
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: has athleticism, Roy john stream quickness, Gary Russell, streaming, reflexes,

639
00:30:50,520 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: Mammad Ali, size, Mammad Ali boxing, Iq Sanchez, m defense,

640
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: well for bed Tis, discipline, Marvin Haber, actressy in which

641
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: you landed his punches? Who else? He's a Chadbis Wow. Roy,

642
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: you grew up in Pensacola. And I don't know if

643
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: a whole lot of people know this, but there are

644
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: a lot of great athletes that came out of Pensacola.

645
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: Very good friend of yours and mine, Derek brooks In,

646
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: Mitt Smith's from Pensacola. H you went to school. If

647
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken with an ex teammate of mine, friend

648
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: of mine, Reggie Johnson. What is it about Pensacola? The water?

649
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: The water is something in the water or y'all swimming

650
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: in y'all swimming in the water. It's got to be

651
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: something in the water. I mean, you got that about it.

652
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: You got Arthur won the greatest boxes of all time.

653
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: You got NFL leading Russia, you got my best linebackers

654
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: of ball team, you got this one of the fastest

655
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: runners in the world, justin Gatton. I mean, come on, bruh,

656
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: be just everywhere. I mean, fastest hands, fastest speak, I

657
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: mean what I mean, what else could it be? From

658
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: the time your daddy gave you those gloves when you

659
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: were ten years old, is that the only thing that

660
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: you ever wanted to be? Did you ever want to play? Say?

661
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: I want to be and I want to be a

662
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: football player, I want to be a basketball player. Well,

663
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you a story. I did play basketball,

664
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: and I didn't like basketball. I didn't want to be

665
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: a fastball player as well, but boxing was my heart.

666
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: I'mna tell you why boxing was my heart. I played

667
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: football first, right right, and I got to I played quarterback,

668
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: and I played quarterback. We had three players because we

669
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: had a small team when they had a lot of players.

670
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: So we had three players, three players with three real

671
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: plays that were gonna work. The rest of plays, everybody

672
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna really do it right, and people were afraid

673
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: we really run the ball. Quarterback rollout left, quarterback rullout right,

674
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: and quarterback sneak and I would quarterback. And you asked you,

675
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: that's too much hitting me exactly. But what were happening

676
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: to those guys get a good lick on me. And

677
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: then they had big enough teams that they didn't have

678
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: to pay both sides. I'll team so small, we play

679
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: both sides with the offense and defense. So some of

680
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: these guys pay offense and pay defense, but they wouldn't

681
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: play offense. So I would get pissed off because you

682
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: play defense, you hit with a good lick. Well, my

683
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: tap defense, you order them to side out of the college.

684
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, go put him back all what are

685
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: you doing? I want to get my getting back to

686
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: help me. I need that bet you're feeling. So I

687
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: realized that, you know what, as you get older, you're

688
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: not gonna get your get back in football. So I

689
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: din't need somebody get get back here right now. So

690
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: boxing became very pitty to me. So you grow up

691
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: through the you go up through the ranks, and you

692
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: go to the eighty eight Olympics, and I remember it,

693
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: and Soul I was in college. As a matter of fact,

694
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: I was a junior in college, and I remember it.

695
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: It seems like yesterday, and you're doing your thing. You

696
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: outland the guy in punches almost three to Basically, it

697
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: was us three to one, out landed three to one,

698
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: and you're standing in the ring and you just know,

699
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: you just know you won this fight. Like I'm about

700
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: to be the gold medal, I'm about to be Sugar

701
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: Ray Leonard, I'm about to be Muhammad Ali. I'm about

702
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: to be all these grades. I'm gonna be an American hero.

703
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: And when you hear them call his name, what was

704
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: the first thing to go through your mind? I was sick.

705
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: I said, this may not be a sport for me,

706
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: because any time you can run a race and finish

707
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: first and you still get second, something wrong with that sport.

708
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: And I'm saying, so I immediately like, you know what,

709
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: maybe box name for me? Did you have a conversation

710
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: with the with the guy that you you beat? They

711
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: ended up because it wasn't it wasn't Korean, he was Korean?

712
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: Did you I have a conversation that told her the Trevor?

713
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: I said, ma'am, give me one faire? She said yeah.

714
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: I said, ask him does he think he want? And

715
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: she didn't know it, but he would have said, yeah.

716
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: I was the girl in a head again, right She

717
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: asked him and said, no, I know I didn't win.

718
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: He asked me, said, no, I know I didn't win,

719
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: and he shook my hand. So after that I couldn't

720
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: do that because I read it with really Guiden's head.

721
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: But he said, no, what was I to do? It

722
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: ain't his fault. He didn't judge the fight, and now

723
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: he tell me he know he didn't win. I can't

724
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: get mad at the man because he told the truth.

725
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: But had he not told the truth, it was gonna

726
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: be some teeth missing. So you fire the protest with

727
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: the with the protest, did you think, like, you know what,

728
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna go back and look at these score cards.

729
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: They're gonna look at all these points I accumulated. They're

730
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: gonna look at what he didn't do. Oh, they're gonna

731
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna make this right. They'll make it right. And

732
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be okay. Even though I didn't get my

733
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 1: arm raised in the ring at the time, I'm still

734
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: gonna be able to hear the anthem play, and I'm

735
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: still gonna be a champ like Sugaraye Ali Frazier. If

736
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: some mark Breeli of some of the other grades, No,

737
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: I never thought that one of the Annaci's decision that

738
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: was it. I was done for me. So after that

739
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: I went and I think the United States or never

740
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: committed by a petition, but I never did anything because

741
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: I took it what it was and that was there,

742
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: and I felt like first, I feel like it was

743
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: miserable for me. I should quit boxing and just let

744
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: it go. But then when I got home, I realized

745
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: that it could have been a blessing in disguise, because

746
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: what was funny was that when at the airport, nobody

747
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: was looking for the guys that want the cold medal,

748
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: They look for the guy that got cheated and got

749
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: the silver medal, and that blew my mind. So it

750
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: showed me right away how quickly God can take your

751
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: worst nightmare and turned into the biggest blessing of all

752
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: time for you. Because in my worst time, when I

753
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: thought I was at the lowest part of my life,

754
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: I would say, afice nine years and got robbed of

755
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: a gold medal, and I thought that was it for me.

756
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: I was more famous than anybody else, showing that Olympert

757
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: team even the guys want the gold medal, and I

758
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: was guy showing me that you stick with God, keep

759
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: faith in God. He can take the worst and turn

760
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: it to the best for you, Roy, You wont you

761
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: won the Golden Gloves in nineteen eighty six and one

762
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty eight one hundred and thirty eight pounds,

763
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: and then the next year you win at one hundred

764
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: and fifty six. How do you put on eighteen pounds

765
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: almost a little year. Well, I wanted one through the nain.

766
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: When I wanted one through the nine, I probably should

767
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: have been fighting one forty seven because I was coming

768
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: from one fifty two make one thirty nine. Okay, So

769
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: when I found out, moved up and I since it

770
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: stopping one for the seventh. I'm already coming from one

771
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: fifty six making a thirty nine, So I'm gonna go

772
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: and fight at one fifty six. Don't stop at one

773
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: for the seventh man. At the same time I got

774
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: it one third. Naw, I got loose six less pounds.

775
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: But it's the same thing. Now this power whatever wasn't

776
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: see it was than now eight less pound. I want

777
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: to do eight miss pound, but I stick got loose

778
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: almost forty pounds. So when not going out with one

779
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: forty six, so I went out back at the one

780
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: forty six. So that was so that was your natural

781
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: So at that point in time, you just basically walking around,

782
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: you just training, and the ain't gotta drop no way,

783
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: got cut, no water, gotta do nothing. Now that that's you,

784
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: I still had to cut with and make that. So

785
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: what would you say at that point in time? What

786
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: would you say? You're walking around? Way was one sixty

787
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: eight one seventy one, probably one sixty eight, one seventy Yes,

788
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: So when you fought at one sixty eight at super middleweight,

789
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: what were you walking around then? One ninety one, eighty five,

790
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: one eighty one any waiting? My daddy made me go

791
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: down to one f seven for the east up the

792
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: trials and eighty eight right right. I fought the first night.

793
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: I made one for the seven and fought the first night.

794
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: I went after the fight after the fight and got

795
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: him scared gets for our weight one on fifty seven,

796
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: one sixty five. What you re man got me all

797
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: way back and I got all the way back down

798
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: one fot in a half the next morning. Wow, So

799
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: you was like, you know what I happen to be cutting?

800
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: I'm not. I've been to be cutting twenty five thirty

801
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: pounds and gonna work comes. I do this every night.

802
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: I said, I won't have no energy to fighting on

803
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: limpits with. So I can't do this. This is too

804
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: I can't make it. Because if you went from one

805
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: forty seven to one sixty five after you fault, I

806
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: mean I was one for I was one sixty eight

807
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: when I fought right, so you basically you you rehydrated

808
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: and put on twenty pounds. Of course. Wow, what was

809
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: it like sparring with sugar a man that was gonna

810
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: the greatest times in my life, on the great mess

811
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: of my life. And it was like, you know, you're

812
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: coming up and fighting against your idol or he sparing

813
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: with your idol, and you want to see what he got.

814
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: Which want to see what you got too. So I

815
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: was doing pretty good and he got he got uh,

816
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: he got tired me kind of doing my fast work,

817
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: and he set me vera goodhood playing. I said, okay,

818
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: that's a good shot. But that's how he was ever

819
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: really stepping up with most of the the time I pretty

820
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: much in control. So I was. I was happy because

821
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: I feel like through it all he was able to

822
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: setting up one good shot. Most of the time I

823
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: was there in the better shot. So I felt really

824
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: good about myself so and I always did you know me?

825
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: Did you know you know what? Hell long, I'm faring

826
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: with Sugar Ray. I'm getting my legs, I'm getting my

827
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: I'm getting my shots off. He caught me with one,

828
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: but I feel I'm getting the better. This is that

829
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: when you knew you was gonna be a world champ.

830
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: Now I know what already before that, but at that

831
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: point it's kind of that kind of solidified it your

832
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: boxing career. What would you have done differently? I thought

833
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: I have done different with my boxing career is after

834
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: I want to hear weight title. I would have came

835
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: down when I be taught the first time. I would

836
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: have stopped for Lisa a year or two to let

837
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: my body recuperate and get myself back together, because that

838
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: was the understand I made by not staying out of boxing,

839
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: because I was always a guy that my own self

840
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: came back to hunt me because if you want to fight,

841
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight. That's just who I always would. I

842
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: don't die nothing. People say, well you do, I don't care.

843
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: That don't mean nothing, mean nothing scared me. I fight

844
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: everybody any time. I never cared, so that that's what

845
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: came out to hurt me though, because I didn't realize

846
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: the effect that that twenty five pounds of muscles gonna

847
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: happen my body. And that's the one pound is it differently?

848
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: Because if you look at it up until that point,

849
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: Up until that point, Roy, it wasn't even close. The

850
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: one loss you had was it was a disqualification on

851
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: Montell Griffin, and then you came back and just carried it.

852
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: They couldn't they couldn't touch me. I came back and

853
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: demolished him. You did, you did one month? First round,

854
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: ficked around that. It didn't goes on first round. We

855
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: fought the last round and sold that for the prescus.

856
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: I said, all I'm about to do this guy. We fight,

857
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: We fight around now, and that's quite did. So you

858
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: the refight you one ninety three and you're gonna go

859
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: back and you're gonna go back down to one sixth day.

860
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: So you gotta lose your twenty pounds because you look solid.

861
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean, your body looked like you were like you're

862
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: naturally one hundred and ninety five twohundred pound man. So

863
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: you look like you like I'm like day. Roy. I

864
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: carried that like he'd been that so you looked like

865
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: a two hundred. You look like an old school heavyweight

866
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: because they weren't like these super heavyweights that came to

867
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: be the Clitch Gold and the Lennox Lewiss and all

868
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,959
Speaker 1: those guys. The heavyweights in that time was one ninety

869
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: five to two h five. Ali, I think way two

870
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: o five, Joe Lewis those those guys with your side

871
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: what you fought ruis at. So I'm saying, Damn Roy

872
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: looked like an old school heavyweight. Yeah, problem wasn't the

873
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: first time I've lifted weights in my whole life. And

874
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: I put weight, I put muscle off from lifting. Yeah,

875
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: I had never done that before my whole life. So

876
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: when I took weight off, I had to take that

877
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: muscle down lifted to put on. That was true muscle

878
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: I had to take off. And that's what deal to me.

879
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: Is that why boxers really don't because boxes don't really

880
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: lift weights, do they? They should make it where it

881
00:42:53,560 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: makes you slow watching from bos down. Contraction muscles cost

882
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: a little bit more bulkanness, and boxing needs to be

883
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: at the reach. You need a long reach to be

884
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: a box of Most boxers want to hit out on

885
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: the end, so that they don't have to put their

886
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: face in harm's way. So you want to do it

887
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: with your arm length, to use your arm range to

888
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: get the most. You don't want have to have them

889
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: like unless you Tyson type. Tyson type, you can lift

890
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: for it. Because everything he does as looping. He throws

891
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: up because I got told her I'm coming to come

892
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: about the hooks about it cause all these looping punches.

893
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: So most his best punch of throne like this is

894
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: with the borders on. So lift what it's gonna hurt.

895
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: Come got as tall anything everything exactly. He doesn't extend.

896
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: But most people that are long range guys, they need

897
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: to be an extent, and weight lifting doesn't give you

898
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: that same advantage. So if you take a year off

899
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: or two a year and a half, let's say you

900
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: take sixteen eighteen months off to go back down to

901
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: one and sixty eight an easy way. You think Tarba

902
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: beat you? Hell no, tarbing nobody else at seventy five? No,

903
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: hell no. I peat him when they hand on energy.

904
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: I be when I was getting a dead there walking,

905
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: I beat him. Come on, bright, I mean, imagine I

906
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: beat this man. I lost twenty five pounds. I ain't

907
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: got energy to eat. And I beat you and you

908
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: think you're whip me if I was in my regular feeling, No,

909
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: come on, bro, No, but you know it's what it is.

910
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't. But no, they couldn't tell. I listen the

911
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: difference in me and flowed back then when people said

912
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: about how great we wear our our prime and our errors.

913
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: I didn't lose rounds. I lose round where I wanted.

914
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: I want a whole fight. No, I ain't probably lose

915
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: a round. I fought money toil different the first time. Yeah,

916
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: and that because I told, Because I knew he was

917
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: a cad of punching. Knew he was a cad ofpunchet,

918
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: and I was a cand ofpunche. So I just said

919
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: I was waiting at the waiting. Didn't get tired, get

920
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: him a few rounds had so we keep working the

921
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: web down. The song I came out to till on

922
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: the first fight was patience is the virtue? Why, because

923
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: we're two kind of punchers. We're looking in the mirror

924
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: of one another. So you just gotta let him wear

925
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: it self down. Once he wears himself down, then you

926
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: take him out. And that's what it was thought to out.

927
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: But since they just qualified and I said, you know what,

928
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the way I can do it, then

929
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: I just walked through a get. And that's why I

930
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: did second time, but the first time because I wasn't

931
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: the guy I want to go do that. I was

932
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: the technician. My thing was working, working, working, You go,

933
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose three round because you gotta makehim work.

934
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna lose the three round for a change.

935
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: Why because I'm finding another counterpuncher. Counterpunchers and counterpunchers don't

936
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: make for good fights, right because issues, So I had

937
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: to push the issue. Was gonna give him a round too,

938
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: because he's gonna counter. I do what I put. When

939
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: I be the gressive and i'ma wear it down, I'll

940
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: take in the deep water. Then I'm gonna drying it.

941
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: That's why he took the knee, which I didn't know

942
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: he wanted to be taking me. Will you doing? Cause

943
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: refuge didn't say stop. But that's why he took the knee.

944
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't because I hit him in the hard. He

945
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: was drying it for that pressure he was in that

946
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: deep water. I knew that, you understand me. I knew that.

947
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: So but the refuge is saying now. So I tapped

948
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: the refusenders, like, let me get it. They feel like

949
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: he was I said, O care, if y'll want to play,

950
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: let me show you what it looked like if I

951
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: hate him for real, so stuck times, show look like

952
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: I hat him real, letting against him. He didn't supposed do.

953
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: But it's like all the reason I was the only

954
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: time I even know that I probably lost because I'm

955
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: finding another counterpuncher who was a great canipu. He's a

956
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: great calipuncher. Then he got two wins over James Tony.

957
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: Not many people got wins over James Tony. You got James,

958
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: You you beat James Tony. I'm the master calepuncher. I

959
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: said he was a good counterpuncher. I said, I'm the

960
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: master counperme. You fought Bernard Hopkins in nineteen ninety three

961
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: before the win to win the middleweight title, and at

962
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: the time Hot beat Hot with twenty two and one.

963
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: What do you remember about that fight? They were too slow,

964
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: so you knew he couldn't beat you. I told him.

965
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: I told him, I told about the press coups. I said, listen,

966
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: I've seen you. I know you could. I'm gonna watching

967
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: on the problem you're gonna hair. It's on two faces.

968
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: It's only the problem you're gonna hair. So you've never

969
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: seen nobody with speed again, you can keep up with

970
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: the speed that guy. You got a chance, but I

971
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: don't think you can do it. I told him that

972
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: the press cup. Nobody heard him because I said that

973
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: all to him with the two big out to go

974
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: out there, I said to them three, I said, y'all right, wait,

975
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: but y'all can't be with him. He got a problem

976
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: because he can't deal with my speak. That's what it was.

977
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: And then you fought James Tony and ninety four, which

978
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: turned out to be the fight of the year, and

979
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: James Tony was he was crushing fee. People look at

980
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: James Tony now and they like they laugh at everything.

981
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: But James Tony could fight James Tony. You the career,

982
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: come in shape to be to be ready to fight

983
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: best fight I ever fought. To this day, as far

984
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: as boxing skills, that fault best Tyson as the strongest

985
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: I was fault. But to this day James on the

986
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: best skill to skill box out fulk and you you

987
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: beat him unanimously twelve rounds. I mean you just basically

988
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: carried the whole fight. I mean when you go up

989
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: and when you look back at your career, not only

990
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: were you win and fight, you were dominating some of

991
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: the greatest fighters. Bernard Hopkins was is arguably the greatest

992
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: middleweight and you can't carried him. James Tony was a

993
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: two if I'm not mistaking, the two division champ, and

994
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: you carried him. Montell Griffin, you cat was pound tunnel

995
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: with pound pound of bad man on the scene at

996
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: the time, inside and outside the ring. What was your

997
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: strategy and fighting Tony? She had the boxing because he

998
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: fought behind the shoulder. Make him keep turning and keep

999
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,959
Speaker 1: fighting behind his shoulders, to make him to keep turning.

1000
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: Because I know he was good. If you stayed right

1001
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: in front of him and had a good right hand.

1002
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: He knocked people around one. He knock cart around twelve

1003
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: because he had a really good right hand. But that's

1004
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: if you stay right there in front of him, if

1005
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: you get around on that shoulder. It was nothing he

1006
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: really could do. And that's what I did all night.

1007
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: So the shot that people remember with the James Tony

1008
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: is when you did the cock fighting move. You put

1009
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: your hands behind your back and you were squatting and

1010
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: you was almost like trying to walk him into a punch. Yeah.

1011
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: I put him to the side like the chicken, hold

1012
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: the fellers out like this, and he top it. So

1013
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: I did it again. Called me your copy. Now I

1014
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: call him the hook off of him. I mean that's

1015
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: the thing. Or I mean when people look at your

1016
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: fights and they talk about it, they's like what he did,

1017
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: probably no other boxer can do because it was so unorthodox.

1018
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: But I studied animals like the like the fighting roosters.

1019
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: I studied things that God put it in the naturally.

1020
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: God put it in fighting rooster to fight naturally. So

1021
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: you studied those things, you gotta be good because that

1022
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: came directly from Gods. Those animals. Nobody developed in animals,

1023
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: Nobody talked those animals. How do that they developed? Got?

1024
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: They got that directed from God? So what better to

1025
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: learn from than something that got it directed from our creator?

1026
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying me. So I would watch

1027
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: them always because I wanted to learn different things that

1028
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: they did, learn techniques, learn moves. And what had happened

1029
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: was I was at a point in a James tunning

1030
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: fight where everything I had tried he had neutralized, nobody

1031
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: had really taken over. So the point in the fact

1032
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: where somebody now had to take over. So I said,

1033
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: you know what, let me use my rooster move and

1034
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: see what did it help. So I did it, and

1035
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: he did it. I said, oh, I got it. Now

1036
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: I did it again, and he did it. I caught him,

1037
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: and that shifted the momentum to my favor, and I

1038
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: kept at all like so that gave you the confidence

1039
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: once you once you caught him with that move, that

1040
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: gave you the confidence to like move in and like

1041
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: assert yourself even more. Now I had the confidence already,

1042
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: I just went at That was a point where momentum.

1043
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: Somebody had to take the momentum. I have football games

1044
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: have momentum swings, yea. At that point somebody had to

1045
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: take the momentum. That gave me the momentum to continue

1046
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: doing what I did, but to do it on a

1047
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: high level. Night in the nineteen ninety five, you became

1048
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: the first boxer in Company box history to go around

1049
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: and not have a fighter land a single punch on you.

1050
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: Then it passed the other, yes, reputable fighter who may

1051
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: go down in the Hall of Fame self one day,

1052
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: right right right, John, to you the first fighter in

1053
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: company box history to go a complete ground without getting

1054
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: a punch landing on him. Fighting got very well known.

1055
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: A punt it and y'all who the best defensive fight is? Again?

1056
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: Don't talk about it? Did? Boxing at that point in

1057
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: time seemed easy to you? Boxing was easy to me

1058
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: because I was in shape, I was always reading, I

1059
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: had on knee ailments, I hadn't hadn't lost that kind

1060
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: of weight yet. It was like walking around, this is

1061
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 1: what I do, and I was simply the best. That's

1062
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: why I did when the whole first person that was

1063
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: going a whole round, when I getting hit and they say, oh,

1064
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't good at people's about Well, how do they

1065
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: hear you go a whole three minutes where I getting

1066
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: tupt And you're not a good defensive fighter? Where what

1067
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 1: you are when they called pound for pound of best

1068
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: because your office is impeccable, your defensive is impeccable, your

1069
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: speed is impecable, your powers impectable, your footwork, everything is impecable.

1070
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: That's what makes you pound pound of best. That's in

1071
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: your prime. You were fighter of a decade, and there

1072
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: was some you know, not a whole lot of fighters

1073
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: can saying they were the fighter of a decade. Okay,

1074
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: you can be Fight of the year, you can have

1075
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: Fight of the year. But over ten years fans, Roy

1076
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: Jones Junior in the ninety was was voted the best

1077
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: fighter of the decade of the nineties, and they're right,

1078
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: they got it right. Roy. You alo, how you gonna fight.

1079
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: You gotta fight at night and then you go play

1080
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: a pick up you gonna play basketball, but buckets, that's

1081
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: what we do. You know what I mean? I mean

1082
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: what I do is every day before training, or you

1083
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: can after training. I played basketball in the way, so

1084
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, Deon Ever, Barry played football

1085
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: and baseball the same day, So who would ever expect

1086
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: a boxer to go do another sport the same day.

1087
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: They tell you that we really want you to walk

1088
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: around much the day before you fight, that law gonna

1089
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: spend in the Japan basketball? Are you serious? And me

1090
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: because I did it on a daily basis, I said,

1091
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: you know what, I can do it and I didn't

1092
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: do it against somebody that was just a nobody. The

1093
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: guy did against went on to capture the WBC Superman

1094
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: Way title and hit it for three years after that.

1095
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: So when like I did that against a bomb, I

1096
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: did that's against a top, high class world champions type athlete.

1097
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: So another word, what you're trying to tell me, what

1098
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to tell my listeners, Roy, is that you

1099
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: made great fighters look average. That's what you're trying to

1100
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: tell me. The saung saying, And it got Nerve to say,

1101
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: I ain't fighting nobody, I just make him look like nobody.

1102
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: Y'all must have forgotten. So the nineties, you dominate, you

1103
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: take on all commerce. You're sitting pretty and I don't

1104
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: know if people realize this, Roy, your first fifty fights,

1105
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: you didn't get beat. You got the cued. Had you

1106
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: been fifty and old, would you have stopped. I though

1107
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to have read tighter and went back down

1108
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: and beat taught it that first time. I would have

1109
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: stopped right there. But it was in my DNA, it

1110
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: was in my inevitability to I had to go fight

1111
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: for the hitty champions of the world. When God take

1112
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: you to go do something, you have to go do it.

1113
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: So even at fifty dollars, after I fought and went

1114
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: to Headway title. I went back and recaptured light head

1115
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: with title. Then because I was undefeated. Yes, I would

1116
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: stop at that point because I was undefeated and a

1117
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: reason I not gonna get my boy the two years

1118
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: risk or maybe three years really because I was undefeated

1119
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: when I got to worry about But when they disqualify

1120
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: you the kid that that ar to stay in the

1121
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: feat and was hurt. What hurt me worse was that

1122
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: I know in the same state. Then they passed us

1123
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: and hit down the Roads Black two times after the beer,

1124
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: and he even hit the referee after the referee trying

1125
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: to stop the probably get between him. He hit the

1126
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: referee and he hit to do and he didn't get

1127
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: He didn't. No, really, both hit Jesse Pergison two times

1128
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: after the beer in that same state, and they turned

1129
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: the lights off after. But he didn't get dis qualified.

1130
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: And you can look at all this same thing. He

1131
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: didn't get this qualified. I tempted you. Whendn't referee just

1132
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: say he stopped. Ref you don't say stopped. I turned again,

1133
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: he looked up there always come to him go out.

1134
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: He laid out like he's out, and they disqualified me. Really,

1135
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: I'd have got Robert gold Miner like I was qualified

1136
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: me two. My life is just you know, I don't know.

1137
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: My life is just good around turmoil like chance. You know,

1138
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: that's just who I am. But you know you have

1139
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: to embrace it and keep it moving. So I embrace

1140
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: it and I keep it moving. But I gotta said,

1141
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: you gotta look at it high goal. I mean, some

1142
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: people get to go fight exhibition and they get to

1143
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: fight a guy. Wait out. I wouldn't probably exhibition against

1144
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: what I gotta fight in ninety nine? You you you

1145
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: you fight. I must go ahead? What happened? Go ahead?

1146
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: What are you gonna say about typon? No, No, I

1147
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you about the ninety nine fight, the

1148
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: light heavyweight fight against Reggie Johnson, and you're winning that

1149
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: fight and becoming the first guy since uh if I'm

1150
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: not mistaken Michael spaks to unify the light heavyweight. Yeah,

1151
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: that was a big fight for me, and that was

1152
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: a big fighter call. Earlier back in like nineteen nine

1153
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: and one. I think he came about him. My daddy

1154
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: started training him, and my daddy wanted me to s

1155
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: probably Hi one day, so I spot one round with

1156
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: him and I beat him. That one round and I

1157
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: got out. My dad started fussing and customed me to

1158
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: m me get back up, and I said him that

1159
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: spotled no more. He said why, I said, because if

1160
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: he get a belt, I'm taking that. I said, I

1161
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: don't need him to learn how to deal with me,

1162
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: because if he become world champion, I don't care if

1163
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: you win him or not. I'm getting that belt. Michael

1164
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: has become middleweight champion of the world. If he get

1165
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: him midway title before me, I want help. So I'm no,

1166
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: I'm not spoted with him. No spot one round. I'm

1167
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: through with it. I see that I can whip him

1168
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: if he gets the title. I'm coming to get that.

1169
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: Guess what happened. Seven years later he got a title.

1170
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: Guess what happened after that? I come out there. Why

1171
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: are you the one the man to have no belt? Bro?

1172
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: He can have a belt. But what I'm saying is

1173
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: my daddy, who was training with me, want to train

1174
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: him to it. I don't know him like that. I

1175
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't raise. Uphill said, I'm not like these new dude.

1176
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't have friends. My friends the one that roll

1177
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: raised up in the jail with me. I don't grow

1178
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: up and they get new friends. No, oh, I don't

1179
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: know you like that. I don't know him. So you

1180
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: bring him to my gym and said, oh you spared

1181
00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: which wanted to teach me how to beat me? No, no, no, no,

1182
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. You want to teach me how

1183
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: to beat me? You gonna take him on your own

1184
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: time and teach you how to beat me over there,

1185
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: cause if he get a title, I'm coming to see

1186
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: you at him. So so you didn't, I'm not gonna

1187
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: let you need to teach beat me. So you wouldn't

1188
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: want your trainer training other fighters that could potentially you

1189
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: have to face. Duh, I mean that man ain't gonna

1190
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: make money, Roy, I mean you're gonna pay hold On,

1191
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: hold On, you're gonna pay for you gotta make money.

1192
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: He do that make money, but it won't be against me, Roy.

1193
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: Hold On, So if I'm selling cars, how you gonna

1194
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: get up? Said? If I sell cars to somebody else?

1195
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: When you you when you gotta buy a party cars?

1196
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: You got to buy a fall my time. I ain't

1197
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: training you twenty far out of the roy. Let me

1198
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: make some money. You can make some money. What I'm saying,

1199
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: if you want to make that money, take him over there.

1200
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: You train them over that way from me. Don't fame,

1201
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: don't I'm gonna help you training. Don't think I'm gonna

1202
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: help you set them a car. That's not my job.

1203
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna see a car with me. You're gonna give me.

1204
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: I will deal when you said in my car, I'm

1205
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: not gonna help you see him. No gonna cock you.

1206
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: How that go? I get it because that's your dad.

1207
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: You're like, damn holder you you must be at your bady.

1208
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: You gonna trade hill Nah nah, Dad, that ain't cool. Okay,

1209
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: I didn't said listen, let's don't tell. I didn't say

1210
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: that ain't cool. I said you can train it. But

1211
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: you're not gonna immediately help you train him because I

1212
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: got a whooping you getting your ready. You don't know

1213
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: that one day you and him man fall out. Give it.

1214
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna be expected or you gotta go beat me

1215
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: if you don't taught him how to give. When I

1216
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: see him, I'm gonna see him on my own terms. So,

1217
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: so is that how you? Is that how you think?

1218
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: If you thinking like? Okay, So if anybody that was

1219
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: in your gym. You really never fought anybody that was

1220
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: in your gym. Well, I let my hand down. Once

1221
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: I take that back, I let lo there bad commence

1222
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: spart me for a few times because I never thought

1223
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: I'd end up fighting him. He end up when I

1224
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: winning a world championship and end up fight me. And

1225
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: he was the first guy to mack me down. But

1226
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: it was the same reason why don't spart with guys

1227
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: down in a fight, because they'll learned how to deal

1228
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: with you. And so he learned from all the spart

1229
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: on how to deal with me, so he was able

1230
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: to knock me down. I got him, just kept beating

1231
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: hut and umber. Still he would knocked me down because

1232
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: of all the roses he's been spoiled me. He learned

1233
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: how he learned if they made him better, he didn't

1234
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: make me better. I made him better because I was

1235
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: better than when we started. So I would knew that

1236
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: about rich Jelson. But Rich Jehson ran to hit of

1237
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: me already, you understand me, something like no, I'm not

1238
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: gonna teach him how to deal with me, and he

1239
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: got to rhead of me. No, the genre ruis fight.

1240
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: What made you so convinced that you could move up

1241
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: from a light heavyweight to a heavyweight and win a title. Well,

1242
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: when God seeing on the mission, I gotta go on

1243
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: a mission, I don't care what there is. So when

1244
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: I had a to me, it was like I had

1245
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: a premonition that I should go fight for the heavyweight

1246
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: champions for the world. I felt like that was God

1247
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: talking to me. So I immediately got the next day

1248
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: call step with me with uh event Horder feeling his

1249
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: Lloyd Jim Thomas, I feel to Nanna and asked him

1250
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: to fight me hard to feel said no, I got

1251
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: too much to gain, too much to lose, and not

1252
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: enough to gain to fight you, So I'm not gonna

1253
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: do it. I said, if you feel like that, all right,

1254
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: I left him, flew back to my training camp. Well

1255
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: him behold. His next fight he lost to Jean Ruis.

1256
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: To this day, I don't know how jeannal Reis knew

1257
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: that I wanted to fight for the world title. But

1258
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: after he won, he said, hey, and guess what I'll

1259
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: fight Roy John's dreaming you're doing? You fight me? Oh,

1260
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: let's go. So so basically, you wanted to fight holly Field.

1261
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: Holly Field lose to Johan Ruiz Jehan Ruis called you out.

1262
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: You had up, so, in other words, you wanted to

1263
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: fight Holly Field. You didn't want to fight John Ruis

1264
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: until he called you out. Now, I wanted to fight

1265
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: to the hit Way Chapman kid who it was at

1266
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: the time I had when I thought about making it happen,

1267
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: holy Field, I had the title, so I want to

1268
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: ask him. He said no, But Jean Reis beat him

1269
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: and he took the type. Then he said, oh yeah,

1270
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: I'll fight Roy John Dreaming. I said yes, old on.

1271
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Speaker 1: So why were you so convinced that you could beat

1272
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: you could be the heavyweight champion once again? In my

1273
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: prime before losing the weight, I was convinced I could

1274
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: be anybody put on the planet like you just add

1275
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: a boy that I think I could have beat Michael

1276
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: my prime. What if they put him in firt of me.

1277
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: It was going down. I don't know how, but it

1278
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: was going down. I had it the way I thought

1279
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: the boxing was. I had enough to take any car

1280
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: on the lot apart are what kind of car, how big,

1281
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: what size engine? You put it in my shop? I'm

1282
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: gonna take the part. And that ring was my shot.

1283
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: So in all the divisions that you fought in, what

1284
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: would you say was the toughest division that you fought in?

1285
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: It's hard to say, because what a way it would

1286
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: have been a lot of opponents there super me. In

1287
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: a way it was a few, but not a part

1288
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: of light heavyweight was toughest, devising from me because I

1289
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: had more opponents, more named opponents in the light herway division.

1290
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,959
Speaker 1: Mike McCallum knew there by Regis John and I became

1291
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: a disputed champ in the light headway division. But the

1292
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: thing about me was was that when I became a

1293
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: champion's heavyweight, you know, I was trying to find every

1294
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: possible title in that weight division that I could get.

1295
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: I got. Only one I didn't get was the day

1296
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Speaker 1: Bill because Davis Mickelchespi was German and he well he

1297
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: ain't Germany, I think something U but he lived in

1298
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: Germany and he wouldn't come from Germany to fight me.

1299
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: If you're offered them five me to come on here

1300
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: and fight me from my title. I had seven belts,

1301
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: he had one, and he wouldn't do it. They taught me,

1302
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: want me to come to German. Now I've got robbed,

1303
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: you know, liquers and soul career in nineteen eighty eight,

1304
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: Why if I'm the man who beat James twenty two,

1305
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: who was the man at the time, to become the man.

1306
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: Now I got seven belts in one division. I had

1307
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: one more out there you got in Germany. I'm gonna

1308
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: take my seven belts and go back overseas knowing what

1309
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: happened to me in the soul career are written and

1310
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: give you an opportunity to last twelve fives with me.

1311
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: They would give you all seven of my belts, and

1312
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: you're one. Now you keep that one number still up hills.

1313
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: Anytime you get me to pay that one over head

1314
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: on Traffick seven. You had to come. You're welcome to

1315
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: come over, but I'm not breaking my seventh. And you

1316
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: gonna have on old school anything to frame my seventh

1317
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: over there to you, and you ain't got one. So

1318
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: if I put, if I put, I'm gonna have a

1319
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: boxing jamboree, and I'm gonna take Roy Jones Junior. I'm

1320
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: gonna take Marvin Hagler, I'm gonna take Tommy Hearns. I'm

1321
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: gonna take Bernard Hopkins. I'm gonna take Jermaine Taylor. I'm

1322
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: gonna take Kelly Pavlick. I'm gonna take uh, Roberto Duran

1323
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: and Julio Saja said sho bed and I'm gonna say, Okay,

1324
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: who's gonna have the belts? One belt? Uh rod a

1325
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: rod that's a gardlet, Roy, that's a gardlet. That's about Hey.

1326
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: He probably gonna fight Marvin to get him all, but

1327
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna have but he gonna have malls. So you

1328
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: believe rest of him too slow? Why Why doesn't Marvin

1329
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: Hagler get more credit? Because I, uh it called Marvel

1330
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: was going because I had this converation with with Mayweather.

1331
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: Also shop asked and Duran both were a little too

1332
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: small for me. Marma was one that was close to

1333
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: my size. But also Margaret had an impeccable chin, and

1334
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: Marma stayed the same every day, every minute, every round everything.

1335
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: He always was the same, dependable, reliable Margaret all the

1336
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,919
Speaker 1: way down to his outfit. He go with the same

1337
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: Bregman white outfit every single time. He was always the

1338
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: same Marvin every night. That's why he was a problem.

1339
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: You know what I can't I can't understand why Jermaine

1340
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 1: Taylor didn't dominate that division longer than he did after

1341
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: what I saw him do to to to Bernard Hopkins

1342
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: and to have Kelly Pavlick basically out on his feet

1343
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: and then could never beat him. How does that? How

1344
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: do How does that work? Roy? A lot of that

1345
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: stuff not only doesn't happen outside the general outside the ring,

1346
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: A lot of that has to do his everyday life.

1347
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: If your everyday life is not one hundred percent the

1348
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: voters to boxing. You can have all the talent in

1349
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: the world, you will not accomplish the thing, or you

1350
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: will not reach the level that you should reach with

1351
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: your ability because I'm built till alone won't get you

1352
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: there because you because you think Jermaine Taylor could have

1353
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: been at all time great too, don't you? Of course,

1354
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: you could have stayed focused on just boxing. You know

1355
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: what I want to I mean, your very first time

1356
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: getting knocked out, what goes through your mind? Tell me?

1357
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: Tell me when when Tarbo took took the title? What

1358
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: was going through your mind? Just you be pissed off

1359
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: because you feel like you let people down. You be

1360
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: more pissed off or letting people down most of the

1361
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: thing itself. You know what I mean? So it's like

1362
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: we really pissed off an upset because you feel like

1363
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: you let people down. You know, it's like it's not

1364
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: that's not characteristic of you. And like I said, I

1365
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: know we out the weight goss. That's never would have

1366
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: happened to me, but you just feel it's very characteristic.

1367
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: But for me at the same time, where I chumped

1368
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: it up as is that when you make big sacrifices

1369
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: to do big things and you gotta have repercussions. You

1370
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: went from junior middleweight all the way upon one a

1371
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,439
Speaker 1: heavyweight title, then you took that twenty five pounsand Moss

1372
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: and just snatched it right off and came back and

1373
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: recapture light heavyweight title. Then you're gonna keep going, No, Son,

1374
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: you gotta stop. At some point, you can't keep going.

1375
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: You gotta let your body regroup. And you didn't do that,

1376
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: and it's like you don't see it till later, and

1377
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: you see it, but you don't want to believe it

1378
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: because you used to be a Superman. But even Superman

1379
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: gotta stop at some point. Crypton Light, make Superman week

1380
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: that twenty five pounds and crypping light and then Tarfa

1381
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: came back up Paul Hopkins at the game that week

1382
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: for that movie, and then he lost weight and can

1383
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: call hoppers and he got me pretty. He didn't get

1384
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: knocked out because knock hockcause Hopper not gonna really knockout punching,

1385
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: but he lost almost every round and he understood then

1386
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: what that way he also does to you. But it's

1387
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: worse for me because I had real live weight lifting

1388
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: muscle on me. You understand me, so it's different. But

1389
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: being knocked out make you want to give up and

1390
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: make you feel bad. But for me, I can never

1391
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: give up because it's not who I happened. So just

1392
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: because I was knocked out, it didn't mean I wasn't

1393
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: coming back. That meant I had to come back. Do

1394
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: you remember? Do you remember the punch that he caught

1395
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: you with? And do you know the mistake that you made?

1396
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: Of course I remember, I know everything about it. Over

1397
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: and battles, you regroup, you take some time off. I hear.

1398
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: I believe it to be true that once you get

1399
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: knocked out, you're most susceptible to being knocked out again.

1400
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: Is that true? That a question without a question, And

1401
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: that's what happened again and again because once you get it,

1402
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: your body knowe it lives, or it's a little easy

1403
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: to make it happen. Now Frost before you won't believe

1404
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: it happened to you. Once it happened to you, Now

1405
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: it's not impossible for it happens to Your mind plays

1406
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: tricks with you because now you mind over guess what

1407
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: it can happen. So it's little easy for it happen,

1408
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: for it to happen again. And if you think about

1409
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: a perfect example is Timer hearn is one of the

1410
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 1: hardest punching dudes you would never meet, or Sugar Ray

1411
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: because he never got knocked out completely took time of quntion.

1412
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: Now tim and knocked him down, but it never knocked

1413
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: him out. Timer Harness knocked out with bert to ring cold.

1414
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: Don't know abouty knock with Bernd ring out. Tim Me

1415
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: knock him cold, I cold. You hit Ray little with

1416
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: the same right hand over and over and over again.

1417
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 1: But because Ray didn't believe he can go from it,

1418
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,560
Speaker 1: why didn't go? So it's not about the league you

1419
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: feel it. But with the twenty five pounds muscle, my

1420
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: body failed. You know what I'm saying. I mean, So

1421
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: it's like and lost in the twenty five pounds muscle lost.

1422
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: Your body fail you. So now it's to be easy

1423
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: because now you know your mind that can't happen, because

1424
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: my body tell me one. Until your body tell you,

1425
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,520
Speaker 1: you don't believe it. And like I said, it's like Shela.

1426
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: He took turning right here and better anybody because he

1427
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: didn't bleeve what except happening. But he didn't bleed him

1428
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: to knocked him up. So after the Tarboro fault, the fight,

1429
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: the second fight, do you believe you should have stopped

1430
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: being and said, you know what, this rap I've done everything.

1431
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: I've gotten belts. I had seven belts at one time.

1432
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,560
Speaker 1: I went from junior middleway all the way up to

1433
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: a heavyweight, and I cleaned out every division. I'm good.

1434
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: Did you think about it, say you know what, I'm good,

1435
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm done. I did, But after being knocked out, you

1436
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: just can't Get's like riding a motorcycle and getting knocked

1437
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: out that motorcycle. You gotta get back up and get

1438
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: back on it, or as you'll never ride a motorcycle again.

1439
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: And I don't like sitting her. I being afraid of now,

1440
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: so I had to go back. But that's okay though, Roy,

1441
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: you know that's what they got calls for. Yeah, you

1442
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: ain't gotta get back on the motorcycle, got a car

1443
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: you gotta call off? Yeah, but I had to give

1444
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: it them because that's where I do it some Nor

1445
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: if I ain't to be afraid to go back to

1446
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: the way I've made my name at no way. Are

1447
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 1: you done competitively fighting? You've done competitive fighting now? Yes,

1448
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: So now you're just gonna sit back and be a

1449
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: country boy, raise your chickens, and that's to laugh at

1450
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 1: these guys that they ask for me and keep it moving.

1451
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: Have you thought about have you thought about training? Have

1452
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: you thought about becoming a trainer? I already am a

1453
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: trainer for a time. Well, okay, so you know you

1454
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 1: you're in the same boat like Buddy McGirt. I mean,

1455
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 1: some of the best, some of the great boxer became trainers.

1456
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: But what I don't know if anybody has ever been

1457
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: as great as you become a trainer. Why is it

1458
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: so hard for boxing? Because great players, that's hard for

1459
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: them become great coaches. Normally it's the it's the fringe players. Yeah,

1460
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: why is it so hard? Times? It's hard? It is hard.

1461
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: For people that are great to understand where their greatness

1462
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: came from or how they got great or what made

1463
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: them great. And it's like some people are so high

1464
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: at a level that they can't accept anything less than great,

1465
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: so they can't teach it because everybody can't be great.

1466
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: It's right with other people are great and don't really

1467
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: even understand what made them great, so they can't teach

1468
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: it because they don't understand. It's just what just to

1469
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: be great. So it's those two things that usually what

1470
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: one or the other that used to stop people from

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01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: being great trenders if you can't explain what you did,

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01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: or it's so high your mind that you want to

1473
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: expect that, and everybody can't do that. And that's why

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01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: people try to say, Roy, everybody can't fight like you.

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01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: But I don't try to make people fight like me.

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01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of stuff. I know. I got

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01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: a real real thinking cyclop cyclopedia here on boxing right

1478
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: there in my brain. It's really a lot between these

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: two years, and people don't understand that I have a doctor.

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01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: One tell me Roy. He said those that can do,

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01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: those that can't teach, And basically what he was saying,

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01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: the ones that can really do it. They do it,

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: and they do it at a high level. Those that

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01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: can't do it at that level, they become teachers. They

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01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 1: become the trainers, they become the coaches, they become the managers.

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01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: And it says it's so. And I was talking to

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01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson. Magic says, it's hard for great players to

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01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: become coaches. Is because you want them to do things

1489
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: that became so easy to you. And you're like, man,

1490
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: just do that. But everybody, Magic john And so what

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01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: you're telling me is that you don't expect anybody else

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01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: to be Roy Jones Junior. I'm trying to get you

1493
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 1: to become the best fighter you can become and whatever

1494
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 1: that is that is. Don't worry about being Roy Jones Junior.

1495
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: Not at all, Not at all. I think about that.

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01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: Your rap career, you argue, you know, it's hard to

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01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 1: say that you're not the greatest, the greatest boxing rapper

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01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 1: all times. What would you where would you what would

1499
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 1: you put your rap skills? I mean you have some,

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01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: you have some beats. I think the best athlete rapper

1501
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: ball tests all are the best all times you got

1502
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: barbed hold on? What about Dame look too? But he

1503
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: he before me. He ain't sold the register. I sold

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01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: ye dames good. Dame was really good. He ain't sold

1505
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: the rucors I sold yea. So it's like the one

1506
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: thing to be good. There's nothing to being to make

1507
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,759
Speaker 1: songs that people are here and want to hear again. Shot,

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01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: A lot of people can rap. I know some guys

1509
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: right now. I know some guys got right that can

1510
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: wrap all day long. But can they make songs that

1511
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 1: you want to hear over and over and over again?

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01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: I got my song can't be touched. It's still but hey,

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01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: what I want to get hyped into jail? Ray? What

1514
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: I want to get hyped? I? So wait about to

1515
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: move if I when you you you cutting that on

1516
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,560
Speaker 1: in the jail right now? Rowing, So wait about to

1517
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: get moved now. Yeah, That's why I say I think

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01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: I was one of the best because I had a

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01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: song that was able to outlive this time. That song

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01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: still hot in any kind of workout or a pre

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01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: fight or pre game right now to day you put

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01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: on people ready to go again. Must have forgot, y'all,

1523
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: must have forgot. People still say that what about your

1524
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: acting career? You want to you want to you want

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01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: to get more involved in that. Are you good now?

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01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm good act I did enough of it. They have

1527
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: changed the rules and stuff so much now that I

1528
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: think it's better. I still have to wear of it.

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01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: But I did enjoy it when I did it. Roy,

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01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Bro. Congratulations on your career. I followed

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01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: your career. Uh, talk to Brooks. I talked to Brooks

1532
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: all the time, and you always talk about you know,

1533
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: talked about you. Talk to em and our good friends.

1534
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: We came into the league together. So congratulations on your career,

1535
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 1: well deserved. Bro. Enjoy enjoy, enjoy this time all. Thank you.

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01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: And I also watched your career and I enjoyed your

1537
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 1: career as well. So thank you, my brother, God bless

1538
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: you say, strong kid, doing what you're doing. Love what

1539
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: you're doing too. Now, thank you, Bro. I appreciate it. Bro.

1540
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: Now we'll go with all my life, grinding all my life,

1541
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: sack fights, price one slice, got the brother all my life.

1542
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life, Yuh, all my life,

1543
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: been running all my life, sacrifice, hustle, bade the prices,

1544
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: want a slice, got the broiler, dice to swap All

1545
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: my life, I've been running all my life,