WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Bullfighting Works

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, chuck here. I'm a little sleepy because it's

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday morning. You know what that means. It's time for

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<v Speaker 1>another classic episode. Stuff you Should Know selects this one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's from a third two thousand two, How Bullfighting Works,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, Honestly, I picked this one because

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to, uh, to go to people further.

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<v Speaker 1>I came out. We usually try and keep things fairly neutral,

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<v Speaker 1>but I came out hard against bull fighting on this

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<v Speaker 1>because it is barbaric and awful, and uh, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>apologize for that. So I'm gonna puff my chest up

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<v Speaker 1>and republish this one right now. I don't care about

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<v Speaker 1>the tradition. I don't care about any of that. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want people to stop bull fighting. So we get

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<v Speaker 1>into the history of it and all that. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think Josh was a little more neutral than I was,

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<v Speaker 1>if I remember correctly, But uh yeah, I'm not into it.

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<v Speaker 1>So go ahead and send your hate emails now if

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<v Speaker 1>you want, or emails of support. Here we go How

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<v Speaker 1>Bull Fighting Works all over again. Welcome to Stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>Should Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hi, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as

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<v Speaker 1>always is Charles W. Chuck Bryant, hol A, Chuck Hola,

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<v Speaker 1>hola right back at you. Um, how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm great? How are you? I'm doing pretty good? Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been learning a lot about bull volume lately. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you know you mean bull killing. Bull

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<v Speaker 1>fighting is what it's cultured. It's not what I call it.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you could also call it a cardido corda boy,

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go, Corrida. Have you ever been to Spain? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you? Yeah? Where I've been to? Uh and in

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<v Speaker 1>um Tulsa de Mar, which is uh little coastal town

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<v Speaker 1>near Barcelona there on the coastal Brava very nice. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you been to Okay? Yeah, very Have you seen a

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<v Speaker 1>bull fight? No, I would not I would not do that, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>I have seen a bull fight. And um, to offend

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<v Speaker 1>you even further, not only was it a bullfight, it

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<v Speaker 1>started off with a cock fight. It was in Cancoon.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it with my sister and my dad, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>it was crazy because we were we were there and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a bullfight like it wasn't like you could

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<v Speaker 1>have accidentally walked into this thing like it was a bullfight. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would say of the people, there were um, white,

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<v Speaker 1>probably American tourists, who booed and yelled and shouted things

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time. And I remember thinking of that one

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<v Speaker 1>Simpsons where UM Lisa was having a nightmare about being

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<v Speaker 1>second chairs for saxophone in the school band, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>at the concert, everybody was booing and she wakes up

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<v Speaker 1>and thinks, like, why would everybody come just to boo?

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<v Speaker 1>It was exactly like that. People came just to boo

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<v Speaker 1>to bullfight. Well, that is one h people who who

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<v Speaker 1>say bullfighting is not good, of which I'm one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>say that that's one of the only reasons bull fights

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<v Speaker 1>are still even going on is because of tourists. That

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<v Speaker 1>they're the ones buying the tickets. And many times those

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<v Speaker 1>tourists get there and they're horrified and they leave early

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<v Speaker 1>and think, Wow, what to spend? Yeah, no, no refunds,

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<v Speaker 1>No exactly, So you just funded bullfighting, yeah exactly, sucker. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of quick stats, oh, roughly to between two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and two hundred and fifty thousand bulls are killed

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<v Speaker 1>each year from bull fights from bull fights, and UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if this is accurate, but the number

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<v Speaker 1>I got was it? Fifty two matadors have been killed since.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised it's that few. Have you heard of Julio Aparchio?

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<v Speaker 1>I know if you have a very strong constitution, Uncle

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<v Speaker 1>Josh warns you against this one. Yeah, yeah, I saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy cow. It was almost like, how is that not photoshop?

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<v Speaker 1>It was perfect? The horns so Julio Apariccio was he

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<v Speaker 1>fell down and bull got the best of him, gored

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<v Speaker 1>him with his with its horns, with his horns because

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<v Speaker 1>bulls of boy, um and what a boy huh, and

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<v Speaker 1>gord him under his chin and it threw his through

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<v Speaker 1>his neck and then the horn came out of his

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<v Speaker 1>mouth perfectly, and um a guy from getting him. It

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<v Speaker 1>just got a close up of it, like like fifty

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<v Speaker 1>of them. There video of it. It's it's amazing. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen the video. It's on the YouTube and it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those that's so awful that you have to

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<v Speaker 1>like sign in and verify your age before you watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would do not advise people to watch this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even advise you to see the too. Look

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<v Speaker 1>at the Daily Mail article that has it, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty crazy. But yes, it happens, and I'm surprised that

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<v Speaker 1>only how many fifties seven? The stat I got was

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two in the last you know, three hundred plus years. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's not much of a fight going on. And

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<v Speaker 1>matador is actually Spanish for killer, so is it really um, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they're killer bulls for sure. It's the whole point, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there's really no gray area here, like bullfighting is the

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<v Speaker 1>the purpose of it is to kill the bull. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>under certain conditions or um, within a certain framework. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's the point of bullfighting. It's not anything but that.

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<v Speaker 1>And if the matador fails to kill the bull, that's

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<v Speaker 1>on him and it is a huge disgrace, like that's

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<v Speaker 1>a that's a loss, and it's not very good right. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>But I I start I'm starting to suspect that you

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<v Speaker 1>are a post bullfighting. Um. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people and apparently Spain's um. I mean in Spain, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a natural cultural thing. It's been around for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>and even people who feel the same way you do

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<v Speaker 1>still say I still don't think it should be illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just too much a part of our tradition. Not

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<v Speaker 1>everyone feels that way though, No, definitely not. They did

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<v Speaker 1>a gallop pole in two thousand ten, and seventy of

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<v Speaker 1>Spaniards said that they were ready to do away with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's a lot of Spaniards. And that's up

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<v Speaker 1>from like fifteen years earlier. So in this modern day

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<v Speaker 1>people are starting to think twice about it. Well, let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about this, Chuck, let's talk about how how

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<v Speaker 1>long people have been fighting bulls on the Iberian Peninsula.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know, Fox show, but um, there is evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of bull ritual dating back all the way to b C. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The Mycenaeans apparently used to leap over bulls that were charging.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a thing, and they were always revered,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as like these godlike creatures, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they want to kill him. What. Yeah, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the taurus? One? Taurus? Is that the Is that an

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<v Speaker 1>astrological sign? Yeah? Okay, yeah, of course, pretty ancient. Yeah. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The article points out that the Visigoth rule Um of

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<v Speaker 1>the Iberian Peninsula from fourteen fifteen to seven eleven UM No.

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<v Speaker 1>Four fifteen four fifteen to seven eleven UM had men

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<v Speaker 1>on horseback fighting bulls um, which evolved into mounted bullfighting,

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<v Speaker 1>which uh jonnel, which still exists in Portugal horseback bullfighting,

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<v Speaker 1>where they kill the bull outside the ring. Later on, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they weaken it to a certain point, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent of killing the bull is far. I guess there's

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<v Speaker 1>some point of no return that the Portuguese understand and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, okay, well we're done, come outside, and then

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<v Speaker 1>that's that. But as anybody who's opposed bullfighting will tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not any more humane. Of course not. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>out of sight of the spectators. Um. So yeah, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got what is it? Ray hoo ray jono jo um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then uh. Bull fighting itself as we understand it today,

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<v Speaker 1>was firmly established in Spain by the eleventh century UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and it came about during festivals, specifically one festival called

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<v Speaker 1>the Fiesta descind Ferminton and anybody's been to Pampalona will

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that because that's where the running of the bulls

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<v Speaker 1>takes place. And when in July now so I seven

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<v Speaker 1>when it used to be September, and then in the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteenth century they moved it to July, and ever since

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<v Speaker 1>then the running of the bulls has been held. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's been going on since long before that, And it

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<v Speaker 1>actually started with a bunch of um ranchers and their

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<v Speaker 1>kids moving the bulls from like their pens to about

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<v Speaker 1>a half a mile to the arena. UM. And then

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<v Speaker 1>people started running alongside him, and counting evolved into the

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<v Speaker 1>running of the bulls. Now interesting else, said the Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>military leader uh midd eleventh century. He was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first to actually bring it into the arena and

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<v Speaker 1>make it the sanctioned corrida, which was government sanctioned is

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<v Speaker 1>today at least what was back then imagined financially supported

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<v Speaker 1>by governments to fifteenth century. It was a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of the aristocracy until Queen Isabella came along and said

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<v Speaker 1>this is not cool. I don't know why she was

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<v Speaker 1>against it, probably because she was an animal lover. I

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<v Speaker 1>would say that's probably a good idea. And Pope Pious

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<v Speaker 1>UM five almost said v uh. He banned it, but

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<v Speaker 1>didn't last very long, um only about eight years, because

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<v Speaker 1>people were into it pretty pretty big time, right um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in about the I guess in the six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred is when that that whole divergence between horseback and

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<v Speaker 1>foot bull foot bull fighting took place, and it remained. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The sport of the aristocracy until Philip the came along

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, you know what, this is barbaric. You

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<v Speaker 1>would have to be a low class barbarian to engage

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<v Speaker 1>in bullfighting. So if you remember my court and you

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<v Speaker 1>get caught doing this, I'll shoot you in the knee.

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<v Speaker 1>And the aristocracy said, well, we want our knees intact,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna stop doing this. And at this point

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<v Speaker 1>bullfighting transferred from a kind of high flutant, snooty pastime

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<v Speaker 1>to the the um, the pastime of the people, the

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<v Speaker 1>national sport of the Spanish people, and from that point

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<v Speaker 1>on it's it's stayed that way. Yeah, but they they

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<v Speaker 1>The author does point out that there are arenas in

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<v Speaker 1>Spain that still have the royal boxes for the royal

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<v Speaker 1>family right to attend these things, so it hasn't gone

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<v Speaker 1>away completely as far as that goes. So Spain is

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<v Speaker 1>the heart and life center of um bull fighting, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's other places that it's held. Obviously, I saw him

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<v Speaker 1>in cancun Um, and if you're a bullfighter, you can

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<v Speaker 1>follow the season pretty much year round and get work

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<v Speaker 1>if you're good. They have in France. Did you know that?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, But I saw that it's been It was

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<v Speaker 1>banned in the UK. Had no idea anybody was fighting

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<v Speaker 1>bulls and going on in Germany was going on all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place. It's crazy. But that doesn't make sense

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<v Speaker 1>that it would happen in Germany if the Visigoths are

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who introduced it to the Iberian Peninsula because

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<v Speaker 1>they were Germanic people from south of the south Norway

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<v Speaker 1>will call you south Way. I don't think the Goths. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll walk you through what happens in a in

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<v Speaker 1>a corrida um in this whitewashed article version. But um,

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<v Speaker 1>before this ever happens, we'll walk you through the couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days before the bull even gets to the ring. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a special treat for me. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>bull Um is not an aggressive animal at all. Bull

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<v Speaker 1>likes to hang around and chew grass and uh smell flowers.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like bullfighting propaganda to me. No, Ferdinand, the

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<v Speaker 1>bull it's like a sweet creature. But they actually are

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<v Speaker 1>not aggressive. They're only um going to charge somebody if

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<v Speaker 1>they're threatened and angry, which is what bullfighting is all about. Um. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in the two days prior to the bull showing up

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<v Speaker 1>at the arena. They are abused. Um, they are uh

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<v Speaker 1>basically mentally destroyed versions of what a bull should be.

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<v Speaker 1>But there you're fat bull. While they do fatten him

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<v Speaker 1>up to make them slow. Well, that's problem, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can call somebody out for that. Okay. Um. They have

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<v Speaker 1>wet newspaper stuffed in their ears so they can't hear anything.

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<v Speaker 1>They have vasoline rubbed on their eyes so their visions blurred.

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<v Speaker 1>They have their eyes taped open so they can't sleep. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They stuff cotton up their nostrils so they can't breathe

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<v Speaker 1>very well, and they stick and needle through their genitals. That'll,

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<v Speaker 1>that'll take anybody off. They rubbed this caustic solution on

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<v Speaker 1>their legs, which makes the bull not be able to

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<v Speaker 1>balance and uh keeps the bull from lying down. Ever.

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<v Speaker 1>They strap their horns to the ceiling of their transport

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<v Speaker 1>truck ah to take them on their long hot journey

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<v Speaker 1>to wherever they're going. And for the two days before

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<v Speaker 1>they keep them in a in a box. Oh wait,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, that's not all. They give them drugs to

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<v Speaker 1>either pep them up or slow them down, just to

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<v Speaker 1>keep them in whatever state they want them in. And

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<v Speaker 1>give them laxatives, uh to just sleep make things even

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<v Speaker 1>more uncomfortable. Um. Then they put the bull in the

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<v Speaker 1>in this dark box for two days, uh to disorient

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<v Speaker 1>the bull. Finally, when they opened the box, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>light at the end of the tunnel that the bull thinks,

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<v Speaker 1>my god, I'm finally getting out of here. Runs to

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<v Speaker 1>the light and all of a sudden they're in a

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<v Speaker 1>bull ring, right, And there's trumpets and fanfare and people cheering, um,

0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.280
<v Speaker 1>and the bulls like, oh cool, how's how's it? Hey?

0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.160
<v Speaker 1>How are you all doing? I've been through some rough

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<v Speaker 1>times lately. Um. Some of that stuff, I think if

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<v Speaker 1>you were found out, you would be disqualified immediately, especially

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<v Speaker 1>doing stuff that slowed the bull down or made it

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<v Speaker 1>less dangerous. Yes, the bull ring is a ring for

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<v Speaker 1>a reason. Um. Bulls would want to go try and

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<v Speaker 1>hide in a corner, but the ring, the circular ring,

0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.360
<v Speaker 1>will confuse in a bull to where it can't hide anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen that footage of that bull that

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<v Speaker 1>like makes it up into the hands, like jumps up

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<v Speaker 1>and then is into the stands like on top of people.

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<v Speaker 1>It was crazy? Was that bull run our test? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you get that joke. Okay. So the different acts

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<v Speaker 1>I believe are called tercios, Yes, I believe so. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's three of them, right, Yes, there's three of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and the that's three acts in a fight in a cardido, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>in a bull fight. Yeah, and um there's no suspense

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<v Speaker 1>going on either by the way they all go down

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<v Speaker 1>the same way. I bet it's suspenseful for the bull. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So the bull comes out the first act or what? Uh? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Act one? Okay. In act one there are um guys

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<v Speaker 1>called peka doors and they're mounted on horseback and they

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<v Speaker 1>are basically, um, I guess, low level torreros or bullfighters

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<v Speaker 1>because both. A matador is not the only kind of bullfighter.

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<v Speaker 1>He is cream of the crop, pinnacle of bullfighters, the

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<v Speaker 1>well paid rock star. Yes, um, but he works with

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<v Speaker 1>a crew of pika doors who show up in the

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<v Speaker 1>first act and bandilli aros who show up in the

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<v Speaker 1>second act. But the pika doors what they do is

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<v Speaker 1>they lance the bowl between his shoulder blades around his

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<v Speaker 1>neck muscles. And the whole point of this chuck You'll

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<v Speaker 1>love this one is to weaken the neck muscles so

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<v Speaker 1>that the bull's head hangs so that the matador can

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<v Speaker 1>get to its heart more easily. Yeah. It also hits

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<v Speaker 1>a gland in the neck that releases adrenaline. Apparently. Um

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<v Speaker 1>So they lanced the bull three times and twist the

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<v Speaker 1>blade around to ensure maximum blood loss. Um. Three matadors

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<v Speaker 1>will now come in. They will fight individually later on,

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<v Speaker 1>but they all come in at first in the first

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<v Speaker 1>act with their capes. And this is and for the

0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.800
<v Speaker 1>for the bull fight, it's an afternoon of them. There's

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<v Speaker 1>six bulls and three matadors in each mattador fights two

0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.840
<v Speaker 1>bulls and each bull fight takes about fifteen and twenty minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>yes roughly. Um So they come in with their little

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<v Speaker 1>capes and uh do their little maneuvers to draw attention

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<v Speaker 1>away from the pika doors. And the pika doors go

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<v Speaker 1>and hide behind their little walls. They have these interior

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<v Speaker 1>walls that they can hide behind. Whenever the bull starts

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<v Speaker 1>to get too dangerous, they run and high behind these walls. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>or if this or America, the Pika doors would be

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<v Speaker 1>dressed as clowns and would hide in barrels. Look at rodeo. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it will do a rodeo podcast at some point. Do

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<v Speaker 1>we have to not sure, okay, they don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they kill the cows and rodeos. No, okay. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So the pika doors leave the ring. The matadors leave

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<v Speaker 1>the ring at two begins in the bandel yarros. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that's a tough one. Yeah, they come in. They're

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<v Speaker 1>they're basically bullfighters, assistant bullfighters, but they're on foot. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you've ever seen a bullfighter picture of a

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<v Speaker 1>bull fight, bulls seem to have some um crepe barbed

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<v Speaker 1>sticking out of him. That's the bandelierros work. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is called a bandias and it's a barbed dart.

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<v Speaker 1>It's adorned colorfully. The bulls aren't the only things dying

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode, so was the Spanish language, because we

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<v Speaker 1>are butchering it. I'm trying uh this of course, further

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<v Speaker 1>weekends the bull um so the mighty Matador doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>much work to do. So the bull is still dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Um are They run in circles at this point to

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<v Speaker 1>to get it nice and dizzy and confused. The manador

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<v Speaker 1>comes out for the final act and he has ten

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<v Speaker 1>ten official minutes to kill the bull. Well to do

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<v Speaker 1>a little showing off first and then kill the bull.

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<v Speaker 1>Um after the ten minute warring. After the ten minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets in a viso, which is a warning first warning.

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<v Speaker 1>After three minutes he gets another one, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>gets a third one, so he has a total of

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<v Speaker 1>in actuality fifteen minutes to kill the bull or else

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<v Speaker 1>the bull is let out alive and the metadors disgraced.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the most part, the matador is going to

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<v Speaker 1>dispatch the bull, and um, he does it if he

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<v Speaker 1>first starts using the cape and the cape is always

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<v Speaker 1>held in the left hand. Is it? That's all right handed? Dudes?

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<v Speaker 1>I did not. I was looking, and I could even

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<v Speaker 1>tell that they were. Um there, the cape was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of clumsy held in the left hand. They were still

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<v Speaker 1>holding it in the left hand. Well, the guys I

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<v Speaker 1>saw were practicing, so maybe I don't know, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see why they would practice with their right hand.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either. Okay, But you have a cape in

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<v Speaker 1>one hand, you have a sword in the other. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and the point of the cape. By the way, we

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<v Speaker 1>should probably get to this now. Um, cape is always

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<v Speaker 1>red because red Anger's bulls right true balls are color blind,

0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.800
<v Speaker 1>so they're not angered by red or any other color.

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<v Speaker 1>What does get them going is the movement of the

0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:59.800
<v Speaker 1>cape and sticking uh swords in their neck. That's another

0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:02.320
<v Speaker 1>thing that gets them going. Um. And actually that's not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily true. By the time the manador comes out, sometimes

0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:10.399
<v Speaker 1>the um the bowl is really tired from blood loss

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.639
<v Speaker 1>and being tortured for a couple of days apparently, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the manador really kind of has to work

0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:17.560
<v Speaker 1>to get it riled up again. And even though the

0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.600
<v Speaker 1>bulls just like, just kill me, manador is like, not yet,

0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:25.560
<v Speaker 1>we have a crowd to please first, So um the

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<v Speaker 1>the manador eventually after the cape work is done. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the cape is read by the way to high bloodstains. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the cape work is done, the manador will um

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<v Speaker 1>as the bull runs past him, will plunge the sword

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<v Speaker 1>in between his shoulder blades and what's called a estoccata,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the death blow and uh it properly delivered

0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.440
<v Speaker 1>estocata will sever the bulls a order and that will

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<v Speaker 1>be that almost immediately for the bull. If it's not

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<v Speaker 1>done correctly, then the bull can be in even more

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<v Speaker 1>tremendous pain as it bleeds out. But to protect against this,

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<v Speaker 1>a bandeliero will come out and uh immediately deliver any

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<v Speaker 1>any another thrust of a blade to make sure the

0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:18.600
<v Speaker 1>bull is dead with a puntilla a smaller knife. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Ideally they killed them with one blow. That rarely happens

0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:26.440
<v Speaker 1>because apparently matadors aren't so great at doing that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they ever were. And uh, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times the bull lives even through the smaller

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<v Speaker 1>knife plunge and is still alive when the ears and

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<v Speaker 1>tail or hoof or cut off and presented to the matador.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually there's a there's another fail safe um where they

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<v Speaker 1>just bring out a tractor and run the bull over

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of times to make sure that it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>so nice. And if that doesn't work, then they the

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<v Speaker 1>people come down from the stands and just start shooting it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not true, and it's not funny. It's not funny

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not true. And oftentimes do survive hanging on

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<v Speaker 1>by a thread. Their lungs are punctured, so they're bleeding,

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<v Speaker 1>like drowning in their own blood and like vomiting up

0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:13.520
<v Speaker 1>blood through their nose and mouth like a whale dying

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<v Speaker 1>and flurry. Uh. And sometimes they will take it outside

0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:19.760
<v Speaker 1>and skin it while it's even still alive. Yeah, that's

0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.879
<v Speaker 1>a kind of a tradition. Um. I saw the bull

0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.800
<v Speaker 1>after the bullfight. It was pretty sad. Um. They take

0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:30.639
<v Speaker 1>the bull right outside and um they'll dress it and

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:34.159
<v Speaker 1>then sell the meat at the stadium. Um, which is

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<v Speaker 1>customary and very strange, but that's one of the aspects

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<v Speaker 1>of bullfighting. If you've ever wanted a bull burger and

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to eat it right after you saw a die,

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<v Speaker 1>go to a bullfight in Spain. Uh, they will drag

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<v Speaker 1>the bull out with some mules attached to chains. And UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if the booing booing you heard, because

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<v Speaker 1>apparently the people will boo and throw beer cans at

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<v Speaker 1>the bull at the end. I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you were. It depends, So it depends. Um no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's this was. They were booing the matador, the banliros,

0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the doors, everybody. They were booing the whole country of

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico for this. Um. Yeah they're booing everybody. No. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it depends on the bull. If the bull was um

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<v Speaker 1>a woss, then I could see the fans throwing beer

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<v Speaker 1>cans at it. There's also um that an aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>this that cannot be denying that a bull that shows

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<v Speaker 1>great bravery, anger, um, spirit, spunk really tries to kill

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<v Speaker 1>the matador or the bandili arros will be very much

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<v Speaker 1>revered by the people in the stands and gruesomely UM.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll bring it out for a victory lap, being dragged

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<v Speaker 1>by the mules in a circle around the arena. After

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<v Speaker 1>it's dead, or apparently while it's still dying, people will

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<v Speaker 1>cheer it, throw roses for it. Um. And there's a

0:23:56.040 --> 0:24:01.440
<v Speaker 1>there's a a UM. There's a rule where the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>or the manador can ask for an uh indolito, which

0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 1>is a reprieve for a particularly courageous bull, and the

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 1>president of the of the bullfight, the referee can say, yes,

0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:16.720
<v Speaker 1>I give this bull of reprieve because it's such an

0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 1>awesome bowl. We're gonna let it live. And the manador

0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:23.680
<v Speaker 1>proceeds to um with an empty hand simulate the death blow,

0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:25.480
<v Speaker 1>saying I could have killed the bull, but I like

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.680
<v Speaker 1>the bull so much I lobbied to get it released.

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<v Speaker 1>That bull is taken away and UM put out the

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<v Speaker 1>stud for the rest of its life. And there was one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very rare to get an indulto. Um. And there

0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 1>was one one bull called Manzanito in seven he got

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<v Speaker 1>an indulto because he gored all three manadors in the

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<v Speaker 1>plaza that day. Wow. That that that will get you

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<v Speaker 1>off right there. You get to go stud for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of your life. Mr. Bull. Horses are also abused.

0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:02.160
<v Speaker 1>The ones that participate, uh, their ears are stuffed with newspaper,

0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:05.879
<v Speaker 1>wet newspaper. They're blindfolded, and they sever their vocal cords

0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:08.200
<v Speaker 1>so they can't scream out in pain because people don't

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:11.120
<v Speaker 1>want to hear that. They don't want to scream. Yeah,

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.320
<v Speaker 1>people don't like that, So they sever the vocal cords.

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<v Speaker 1>So the horses that are, you know, trembling in fear

0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:21.520
<v Speaker 1>inside this ring at this bowl, don't bark out and

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.160
<v Speaker 1>let people know that. And if the horses are hurt,

0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 1>they take them out of the ring and patch them

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<v Speaker 1>up and send them right back in there. Where are

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<v Speaker 1>you getting this activist info all over the place? Yeah?

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, I mean it's not activist info, it's

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<v Speaker 1>how it goes down. No, it all just kind of

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:41.199
<v Speaker 1>has a certain ring to it. I'm not disputing it.

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying like, yeah, well I mean coming out

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>of my mouth, it probably sounds activist because I think

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:48.479
<v Speaker 1>it's an awful thing to do something like this. But

0:25:48.640 --> 0:26:05.400
<v Speaker 1>this is the these is the facts. UM. Okay, Well

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:07.679
<v Speaker 1>in check you will love the next part wherein we

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 1>talk about famous manadors. Yeah, I feel free. So uh.

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<v Speaker 1>People have been doing this since what we said, like

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the eleventh century, right, Elsid was supposedly the first guy

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 1>to fight a bull in a arena, UM, and since

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:29.439
<v Speaker 1>then it's it's just become huge, big business. UM. But

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the first real and probably only real Golden age if

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 1>you call it that, bullfighting happened UM from nineteen fourteen

0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:44.360
<v Speaker 1>and nine, and there were two matadors, Juan belmonte Garcia

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:48.719
<v Speaker 1>and Jose Gomez, who fought bulls under the name Joslite.

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Though UM had a rivalry and Um. Belmonte Garcia was

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:58.200
<v Speaker 1>actually the first guy apparently to stand still or stand

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<v Speaker 1>his ground when he was in cape work with a bull,

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 1>rather than try to run away from the bull using

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 1>fancy footwork that erect style. Jsalito was his rival, and

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:15.120
<v Speaker 1>the rivalry was really going swimmingly, I guess for everybody

0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:20.120
<v Speaker 1>but the bulls, until Hosalito was fatally gored Um at

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:22.959
<v Speaker 1>a match that both of them were at Garcia and

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Hosalito were fighting at um In and that end of

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the Golden age of bullfighting. You'll be happy to hear.

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:34.160
<v Speaker 1>He must have been small. Hosalito. Yeah, his name is Jose,

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and I think if you're Jose and they call you Hosalito,

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:38.959
<v Speaker 1>that means you're small, like add that eto to anything

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 1>alito or young because he started very young. Oh yeah,

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's true. He started at age thirteen, um and

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:49.439
<v Speaker 1>he was only I think twenty twenty five when he

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 1>died when he was gored So. Uh. Another guy who's

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:58.160
<v Speaker 1>gorgeous named Manuel Rodriguez E Sanchez. Do you think that's

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.880
<v Speaker 1>like the mothers and the father's names when it's two

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 1>last names and there's an e in and in the middle.

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I would think so. And well, Rodriguez

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 1>in Sanchez. You put the Rodriguez together and the Sanchez

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:15.160
<v Speaker 1>is together and you get Manuel also known as Menolette.

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Maybe so. And he was gordon In. He was the

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 1>top matador from nineteen forty to ninety seven, and I

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>think is goring In the end of his being the

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 1>top matador was not coincidental. I think you're probably right. Uh,

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 1>should we talk about the bulls because it's very specific

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 1>what kind of bulls are fighting. They're all four years old,

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 1>which I didn't know. I didn't either, Um, and they

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>are specifically bred to bull fight, and they way about

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 1>thirteen hundred pounds. You want to translate that niquilos for

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 1>our friends, it's five ninety kilograms, right, And um, they

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:57.239
<v Speaker 1>are bread and ranches. And this article says that they

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 1>are tested for bravery and ferocity and that if you

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>pass that test, you would become a fighting bull. Um.

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 1>And that may be true sometimes, but uh, matadors like

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 1>to make their money and they don't want to be gored,

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>So the high falutin matadors will request very placid, docile

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 1>bulls just to keep the show going. Is that true?

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Well that's what that's what I read. Okay, So have

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:26.239
<v Speaker 1>they just want to put on the show? You know,

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to die? Well, I'm sure they don't

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>w want to make They want to make a few

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 1>million bucks a year. Ye doing it easy too, because

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>they get paid about a hundred grand a bullfight and

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 1>they can do maybe thirty to forty or more. Yeah,

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I know the um oh the guy Bell monteh he

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 1>had a record hundred and nine bullfights in It's a lot.

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>It's like in Rocky three when he was fighting all

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the chumps just for a pay day. Oh yeah, he

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't want any real challenge. But ultimately he did want

0:29:56.840 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 1>a real challenge because he fights. He fought Draco, well,

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 1>he fought cluver Lang and three and three it was

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 1>the Russian. Oh no, no, ye. Three was clever Lane. No. Yeah.

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>The first two were Apollo, the third was cluver Lane,

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 1>the fourth was the Russian. I thought that he was uh,

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Tommy Morrison. And then the sixth was when he came

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 1>back as a trainer, huh. And the seventh was him

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>enjoying a nice sandwich for two hours. No, Rocky three

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 1>was definitely clever Lane, because that was my favorite one

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 1>until I got older and I realized that the first

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>one was actually the better one. You know. I thought

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>that I would think that too, and then I went

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>back and watched it as an adult, and I'm like,

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's pretty good, but oh man, I loved it.

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:44.280
<v Speaker 1>There's just too much character development in it for a

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Rocky movie. Well, it was a love story it wasn't

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>even a boxing movie. Wrong with you, I understand, but

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 1>it was a love story starring and written and directed

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 1>by Sylvester Stallone. That's right, all right. Back to the bulls.

0:30:57.520 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Bulls are never exposed to more than one fight. Yes,

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>apparently they have very good memories, so they learn how

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 1>to out dual the the matador in their in their cape.

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 1>So that's why they don't bite them twice. And the

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>guys who test their ferocity for I guess the ones

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 1>that are tested, those are done on horseback, so that

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the bull is not like, oh I remember those capes.

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get you. I associate you with laxatives. Well,

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 1>even this article says that they they alter bulls to

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>make them easier to fight. But this is what I'm saying.

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>It's so um it's a very participatory sport for spectators. Um. So,

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 1>like you can ask for an indolito, you can also

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>challenge or charge uh somebody with fighting an altered bull,

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>one that's overfed and too fat and slow, one whose

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 1>horns have been altered, because apparently the tips of the

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 1>horns of a bull are very much like a cat's whiskers,

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 1>and if you remove that the bull is not going

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 1>to have a very good sense of kinetics and Willever

0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>hit the matador. If the crowd thinks that your career

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 1>is like over pal, that's why I don't think it's

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>quite as widespread either that or else. Um, bullfighting crowds

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>have become complacent. Well, I think that's definitely true. Yeah. Well,

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.960
<v Speaker 1>because it's tourists they don't know how to spot a

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 1>fat bull. Well, then that very well may be the case.

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>And they also apparently the way they stabbed them and

0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>where they stabbed them, they do so in order to

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 1>make sure they charge straight instead of like I've got

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>a bad left leg, all of a sudden, I'm gonna

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 1>be going left all day or right all day. Yeah. So, Chuck,

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned that you can make a pretty decent living

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 1>doing bull fights, but you also mentioned, um that there's

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>there may be the death of bull fighting as it were.

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's really true. I mean, seriously, people

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>have been doing this since the fourth century, and now

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, just because of a bad economy

0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 1>and animal activism, bull fight is going down. It's starting

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 1>to where's the evidence. Well, the polls that the popular

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 1>sentiment is changing in Spain over the past fifteen years

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>is one. UM. Catalonia is the first region in mainland

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Spain to actually ban it in Barcelonas in Catalonia. Yeah,

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.960
<v Speaker 1>which is big because Barcelona had not one, not two,

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 1>but three bullfighting arenas, that's right, and that took effects.

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 1>That took effect. Actually just this year, on January one,

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 1>they said, like, let's finish out the two thousand eleven

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 1>season and then we'll ban it shouting from that point.

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 1>They had the last one at UH in September. I

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>think September two thousand eleven was the last one ever

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:44.959
<v Speaker 1>was UM. But that's a huge deal. But even in

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:49.719
<v Speaker 1>Spain they're kind of like the snooty Catalans, like they

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.160
<v Speaker 1>don't they don't enjoy bullfighting. I think that's made some

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>quarters of Spain even more fiercely proud of it. Yeah,

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 1>probably so, like Madrid apparently is still very proud of

0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>their bullfighting it UH. In two thousand ten, one of

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the state television stations said, we are going to ban

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>coverage live coverage of it because kids can watch this

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 1>on tv UM. They happen in the hours, in the

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 1>early afternoon hours, in early evening, so they won't broadcast

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.320
<v Speaker 1>until after ten pm. Now right, well, there's a there's

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 1>a law that says you can't show animal cruelty on

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Spanish television until after ten pm because of children, And

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:31.279
<v Speaker 1>so that's effectively banned, right, showing bullfighting in Spain. Um,

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.760
<v Speaker 1>which is a huge blow to it. Um, I guess

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:38.280
<v Speaker 1>economically or financially, because I mean think about how many

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 1>how much money comes from television deals and sponsorships, if

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you can get rid of it on TV, like, that's that. Yeah,

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>that's true. And then there's also, Um, they've shown that

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>there's evidence that government, that the federal government of Spain

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 1>is pretty much what's propping up bull fighting these days,

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>because um, there were what it went from a thousand

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>bull fights in two thousand eight to eight hundred and

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>two in Spain, and um, that two hundred was almost exclusively, um,

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:10.240
<v Speaker 1>the result of cuts and government subsidies to small towns

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 1>that can't afford to put on a bullfight. And so

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that means that, yeah, the government's holding the whole thing up. Yeah.

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:18.400
<v Speaker 1>I read a couple of interesting articles today. One of

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 1>them was from a veterinarian. Uh, and they have vets

0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>at the bullfight. Um on staff, I guess uh. And

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 1>this vet went on record as saying they did all

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 1>this testing of like adrenaline and or adrenaline and all

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 1>these different uh chemicals in the body on these bulls

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>that had just survived, ones that were dead ones before

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>they went in and basically to prove that the bull

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>suffers a great deal because there's this misguided notion that

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the bull doesn't suffer because they're this magical creature. I

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 1>saw this one interview with a Bandaliro and he said

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.399
<v Speaker 1>that a vetinary in this translate obviously, but he said,

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.840
<v Speaker 1>a veterinarian told me that the bulls have a special

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 1>cell in their body that prevents it from suffering and

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:13.400
<v Speaker 1>feeling pain. It's not true. Oh are you sure? Yeah,

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 1>there's no special cell that that keeps them from feeling pain.

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Well that's a that's a larger debate too. I mean, like,

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I believe bulls can suffer. But you know, um, if

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.359
<v Speaker 1>you've read David Foster, Wallace is considered the lobster. Can

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:29.719
<v Speaker 1>a lobster suffer is no susception is the perception, the

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>physical feeling of pain is that the same thing is suffering.

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 1>Now we've shown it's not remembering our happiness audiobook. We

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:40.760
<v Speaker 1>talked about the difference between experiencing physical pain and experiencing suffering.

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Right now, they actually utilize different parts of the brain.

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:47.240
<v Speaker 1>So if there's no suffering, is inflicting pain on something

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:52.400
<v Speaker 1>e g. Cooking it um? Is that cruel? It's a

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.280
<v Speaker 1>good point, it is, But I think bulls experienced suffering.

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 1>It's especially if they go through what you describe. Yeah,

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.400
<v Speaker 1>and if you're against bull fighting and you want to

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 1>do something, you can email the or mail the embassies

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 1>of these countries that still participate and tell them that, hey,

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to visit your country. I'm not gonna

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.279
<v Speaker 1>spend my money there. If you're still going to endorse this,

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 1>it's a small thing you can do. Can you mail

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 1>me some wine because I can't make it over there?

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Some temper and neo uh And I just I'm gonna

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>go on record as saying this whole thing that it's

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>a it's part of the culture is just crap. Well,

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the the Spanish federal government would disagree with you because

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 1>in two doesn't tend. And what a lot of people

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 1>see as a response to um, the Catalonia ban Um

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 1>the Spanish government transferred jurisdiction over bullfighting from the Interior

0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Ministry to the Cultural Ministry, so as an attempt to

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 1>keep it from being banned. It's gonna be uh, it'll

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 1>be a tough fault one. But yeah, apparently even Mexico

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>now is entertaining the idea of banning it. You know

0:37:56.239 --> 0:38:01.320
<v Speaker 1>some other things that were defended as culture, genital mutilation

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 1>on females, witch burning, bear baiting. You ever heard of that? Um? No.

0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Bear baiting was popular in England up until the eighteenth century.

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 1>That is, when you take a bear like a you know,

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 1>grizzly bear or brown bear, like a clown well not

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>far off, You put it in a pit and chain

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 1>it to a steak and release dogs on it, and

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 1>the dogs kill the bear, or the bear kills some

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:29.879
<v Speaker 1>of the dogs, so they release more dogs, and people

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.359
<v Speaker 1>sit around and gamble on is the bear gonna get

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:36.760
<v Speaker 1>eaten first or the dog's gonna get killed first? And uh,

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 1>it's blood sport. And I think this is the same thing.

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:41.839
<v Speaker 1>You know. Um, that's where bulldogs came from, and that's

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>where they got their name from. It's called bull baiting,

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>and bulldogs used to not even come close to resembling

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 1>what they do now. They were actually bred to be

0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:55.799
<v Speaker 1>less vicious um by making them slower and dumber and

0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 1>more cuddly and dumber but more cuddly um. And that's

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 1>how we have the modern budocks now. But they evolved

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 1>from basically uh, in the nineteenth century bulldogs. Where we're

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:09.840
<v Speaker 1>where um pitple breed is now where there are a

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of people being like, we just need to wipe

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:13.279
<v Speaker 1>this breed off the face of the planet. It's gone

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 1>out of control. They're crazy. Everybody scared them. They're killing people. Um.

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>And then they managed to breed the meanness out of them.

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 1>But bull bull baiting too. Bull baiting bulls just have

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 1>been taken it well. Embarbating actually still happens in Pakistan

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:35.279
<v Speaker 1>and it's uh, it's horrific. So two from me to

0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:40.960
<v Speaker 1>you people of Spain, Mexico, France, Uh, ritualized killing of

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 1>animals for people to pay for and watch is a

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 1>little outdated and just silly and cruel, and I say

0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:53.200
<v Speaker 1>please stop, from from Chuck to you, from me to you.

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<v Speaker 1>And one more thing. The whole notion of culture isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that supposedly to advance your civilization. And isn't that supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to mean like positive things like culture? I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>brings people together more than the ritual is killing down

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<v Speaker 1>here and watching watching bull fight. All right, I'm done,

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<v Speaker 1>um off soapbox. So how do you feel about bullfighting personally?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's great. If you want to learn more

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<v Speaker 1>about bull fighting UM or Chuck's views on it, you

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<v Speaker 1>can type in Chuck or bull fighting in the search

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<v Speaker 1>bar at how stuff works dot com. Uh, And I

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<v Speaker 1>said search bar, which means it is time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>We're very riled up listener mail. That's right, this is calm.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call this. Uh. Illustrator wrote us about the

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<v Speaker 1>comics episode Guys, I'm in currently an illustrator. Uh. Does

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<v Speaker 1>he not have much hope for his future in that field? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I think he does, Um, I felt because he does

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<v Speaker 1>like a digital illustration team. UM. I found your podcast

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<v Speaker 1>when I was hip deep in art school at the

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<v Speaker 1>Art Institute of Boston. But there are only so many

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<v Speaker 1>times I could listen to the same old Our Lady

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<v Speaker 1>Peace songs on repeat from that group. No, he had

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<v Speaker 1>like one song, Oh I can't remember I dug it.

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<v Speaker 1>This song actually I got the CD because of that song. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I used to fall for that. When I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>well fourteen, you just be like, that's the only good

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<v Speaker 1>song on the whole CD before the Kiss single. Yeah. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm now a professional illustrator, but I also teach art

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<v Speaker 1>at A I B. And I was able to live

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<v Speaker 1>a mini dream when my higher ups approached me about

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<v Speaker 1>teaching a comic book class. So he was pretty stoked

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<v Speaker 1>about this um on the comics. And this is just

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<v Speaker 1>some things he pointed out on the comics code of

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<v Speaker 1>authority you guys talked about. World War Two was long

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<v Speaker 1>over and the new round of superheroes Spiderman, Fantastic Four

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<v Speaker 1>had yet to emerge from the minds of Lee Kirbean Ditko.

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<v Speaker 1>As a result, comics were merely treading water and chasing

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<v Speaker 1>from fad to fad, westerns to romance to eventually horror

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<v Speaker 1>horror comics or what really started to worry everyone, so

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<v Speaker 1>they began to put pressure on companies like EC, who

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<v Speaker 1>had made their names in over the top horror. In turn,

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<v Speaker 1>EC basically jettison at Steak in horror comics and latched

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<v Speaker 1>onto a little humor comic uh Mad, which we talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like UM Stories Guaranteed to Drive you Mad,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the original but to this point, Mad was published

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<v Speaker 1>basically as a comic book. In essence, EC was looking

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<v Speaker 1>to hedge its bets, so it relaunched Mad as a

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<v Speaker 1>magazine UM, which is very different distinction because it all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden wasn't under the code of authority. Uh In,

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<v Speaker 1>we were blessed with a very first MAD magazine, a

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<v Speaker 1>very calculated move since they were not heavily scrutinized like

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<v Speaker 1>comics and they didn't have to worry about the comics code,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's very smart. It is UM. I hope to

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<v Speaker 1>make it big as a comics illustrator in children's book

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<v Speaker 1>illustrator who says I can't do both. I also thought

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<v Speaker 1>you might like to know that you're keeping me company

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<v Speaker 1>during these long hours chasing the dream and this dude

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is awesome And if you want to hire Greg Marathus,

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<v Speaker 1>you can get in touch with him at the Greg

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<v Speaker 1>Marathas Studio, which is g R E G M A

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<v Speaker 1>R A T h A s dot com or Rita's

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<v Speaker 1>blog Greg Marathus dot blog spot dot com. Stuff is

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<v Speaker 1>very cool. I told him I'd keep them in mind

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<v Speaker 1>if we ever needed drawings. We could use some drawings.

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<v Speaker 1>We need some Facebook timeline drawings. If he's holling to

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<v Speaker 1>work for free, can it? Did we remember? We um

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<v Speaker 1>we got chastise biographic designer for holding that T shirt contest. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I emailed him back act it dissas calm them down.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, I was like, you know, most of these

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<v Speaker 1>were amateur designers. There was some pros in there, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was something in mind. And it's not like we've

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<v Speaker 1>forced anybody to do with but there's a whole there's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole movement um from designers about design contests being awful.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what other industry basically asked for free work as

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<v Speaker 1>a contest quote unquote there's like fiction contests. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of box Derby's. Yeah, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that people do for free as part of a contest,

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<v Speaker 1>bake offs or bakes off. I'm sorry. And I saw

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<v Speaker 1>some designers that say I don't agree with that contests

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<v Speaker 1>make me better. And if you don't, that's a ridiculous idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Architecture as a field has been in contest mode for

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<v Speaker 1>a century more and like, yeah, that's there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of work put into it, and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>work put into graphic design. Contests are everywhere. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a ridiculous stance. Well, his point was, because he

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<v Speaker 1>mailed me back in he was like, well, find the

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<v Speaker 1>contest is fine, but you should give them a cut

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<v Speaker 1>of the T shirt sales. I don't disagree with that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but we had no choice. Well, no, we're

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<v Speaker 1>in no position whatsoever to share it. I told him, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>if it was up to me, they would get of

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<v Speaker 1>the T shirt sales. I don't know about that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't get any well, I know, but still we could.

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<v Speaker 1>If we couldn't negotiate on their behalf, we would work

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit in for us to man, what a

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<v Speaker 1>volatile episode right to the end. Yeah, so I guess

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to express your volatility UM toward us,

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