1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, chuck here. I'm a little sleepy because it's 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Saturday morning. You know what that means. It's time for 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: another classic episode. Stuff you Should Know selects this one. 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: It's from a third two thousand two, How Bullfighting Works, 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: And you know what, Honestly, I picked this one because 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: I just wanted to, uh, to go to people further. 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: I came out. We usually try and keep things fairly neutral, 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: but I came out hard against bull fighting on this 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: because it is barbaric and awful, and uh, I don't 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: apologize for that. So I'm gonna puff my chest up 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: and republish this one right now. I don't care about 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: the tradition. I don't care about any of that. I 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: just want people to stop bull fighting. So we get 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: into the history of it and all that. And I 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: think Josh was a little more neutral than I was, 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, But uh yeah, I'm not into it. 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: So go ahead and send your hate emails now if 18 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: you want, or emails of support. Here we go How 19 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: Bull Fighting Works all over again. Welcome to Stuff you 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: Should Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hi, and 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as 22 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: always is Charles W. Chuck Bryant, hol A, Chuck Hola, 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: hola right back at you. Um, how are you doing? 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: I'm great? How are you? I'm doing pretty good? Yeah. Yeah, 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: I've been learning a lot about bull volume lately. I 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: don't know if you know you mean bull killing. Bull 27 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: fighting is what it's cultured. It's not what I call it. 28 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: Or you could also call it a cardido corda boy, 29 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: Here we go, Corrida. Have you ever been to Spain? No? 30 00:01:52,640 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: Have you? Yeah? Where I've been to? Uh and in 31 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: um Tulsa de Mar, which is uh little coastal town 32 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: near Barcelona there on the coastal Brava very nice. Have 33 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: you been to Okay? Yeah, very Have you seen a 34 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: bull fight? No, I would not I would not do that, sir, 35 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: I have seen a bull fight. And um, to offend 36 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: you even further, not only was it a bullfight, it 37 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 1: started off with a cock fight. It was in Cancoon. 38 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: I saw it with my sister and my dad, and um, 39 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: it was crazy because we were we were there and 40 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: it was a bullfight like it wasn't like you could 41 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: have accidentally walked into this thing like it was a bullfight. Um, 42 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: and I would say of the people, there were um, white, 43 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: probably American tourists, who booed and yelled and shouted things 44 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: the whole time. And I remember thinking of that one 45 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: Simpsons where UM Lisa was having a nightmare about being 46 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: second chairs for saxophone in the school band, and um, 47 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: at the concert, everybody was booing and she wakes up 48 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: and thinks, like, why would everybody come just to boo? 49 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: It was exactly like that. People came just to boo 50 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: to bullfight. Well, that is one h people who who 51 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: say bullfighting is not good, of which I'm one of them, 52 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: say that that's one of the only reasons bull fights 53 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: are still even going on is because of tourists. That 54 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: they're the ones buying the tickets. And many times those 55 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: tourists get there and they're horrified and they leave early 56 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: and think, Wow, what to spend? Yeah, no, no refunds, 57 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: No exactly, So you just funded bullfighting, yeah exactly, sucker. Um. 58 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: A couple of quick stats, oh, roughly to between two 59 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: hundred and two hundred and fifty thousand bulls are killed 60 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: each year from bull fights from bull fights, and UM, 61 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if this is accurate, but the number 62 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: I got was it? Fifty two matadors have been killed since. 63 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: I'm surprised it's that few. Have you heard of Julio Aparchio? 64 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 1: I know if you have a very strong constitution, Uncle 65 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: Josh warns you against this one. Yeah, yeah, I saw it. 66 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: Holy cow. It was almost like, how is that not photoshop? 67 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: It was perfect? The horns so Julio Apariccio was he 68 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: fell down and bull got the best of him, gored 69 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: him with his with its horns, with his horns because 70 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: bulls of boy, um and what a boy huh, and 71 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: gord him under his chin and it threw his through 72 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: his neck and then the horn came out of his 73 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: mouth perfectly, and um a guy from getting him. It 74 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: just got a close up of it, like like fifty 75 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: of them. There video of it. It's it's amazing. I 76 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: haven't seen the video. It's on the YouTube and it's 77 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: one of those that's so awful that you have to 78 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: like sign in and verify your age before you watch it. 79 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: And I would do not advise people to watch this. 80 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: I don't even advise you to see the too. Look 81 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: at the Daily Mail article that has it, but it's 82 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: pretty crazy. But yes, it happens, and I'm surprised that 83 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: only how many fifties seven? The stat I got was 84 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: fifty two in the last you know, three hundred plus years. Um. 85 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: So there's not much of a fight going on. And 86 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: matador is actually Spanish for killer, so is it really um, yes, 87 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: they're killer bulls for sure. It's the whole point, Like 88 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: there's really no gray area here, like bullfighting is the 89 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: the purpose of it is to kill the bull. Yeah, 90 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: under certain conditions or um, within a certain framework. But 91 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: that's the point of bullfighting. It's not anything but that. 92 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: And if the matador fails to kill the bull, that's 93 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: on him and it is a huge disgrace, like that's 94 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: a that's a loss, and it's not very good right. Um, 95 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: But I I start I'm starting to suspect that you 96 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: are a post bullfighting. Um. There are a lot of 97 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: people and apparently Spain's um. I mean in Spain, it's 98 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: like a natural cultural thing. It's been around for a while, 99 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: and even people who feel the same way you do 100 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: still say I still don't think it should be illegal. 101 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: It's just too much a part of our tradition. Not 102 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: everyone feels that way though, No, definitely not. They did 103 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: a gallop pole in two thousand ten, and seventy of 104 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: Spaniards said that they were ready to do away with it. 105 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a lot of Spaniards. And that's up 106 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: from like fifteen years earlier. So in this modern day 107 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: people are starting to think twice about it. Well, let's 108 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: let's talk about this, Chuck, let's talk about how how 109 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: long people have been fighting bulls on the Iberian Peninsula. 110 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: We don't know, Fox show, but um, there is evidence 111 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: of bull ritual dating back all the way to b C. Yeah. 112 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: The Mycenaeans apparently used to leap over bulls that were charging. 113 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: It was like a thing, and they were always revered, 114 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, as like these godlike creatures, which is why 115 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: I guess they want to kill him. What. Yeah, what's 116 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: the taurus? One? Taurus? Is that the Is that an 117 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: astrological sign? Yeah? Okay, yeah, of course, pretty ancient. Yeah. Uh. 118 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: The article points out that the Visigoth rule Um of 119 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: the Iberian Peninsula from fourteen fifteen to seven eleven UM No. 120 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: Four fifteen four fifteen to seven eleven UM had men 121 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: on horseback fighting bulls um, which evolved into mounted bullfighting, 122 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: which uh jonnel, which still exists in Portugal horseback bullfighting, 123 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: where they kill the bull outside the ring. Later on, right, 124 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: they weaken it to a certain point, which is the 125 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: equivalent of killing the bull is far. I guess there's 126 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: some point of no return that the Portuguese understand and 127 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: they're like, okay, well we're done, come outside, and then 128 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: that's that. But as anybody who's opposed bullfighting will tell you, 129 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: that's not any more humane. Of course not. It's just 130 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: out of sight of the spectators. Um. So yeah, you've 131 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: got what is it? Ray hoo ray jono jo um. 132 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: And then uh. Bull fighting itself as we understand it today, 133 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: was firmly established in Spain by the eleventh century UM, 134 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: and it came about during festivals, specifically one festival called 135 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: the Fiesta descind Ferminton and anybody's been to Pampalona will 136 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: recognize that because that's where the running of the bulls 137 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: takes place. And when in July now so I seven 138 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: when it used to be September, and then in the 139 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: sixteenth century they moved it to July, and ever since 140 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: then the running of the bulls has been held. But 141 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: it's been going on since long before that, And it 142 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: actually started with a bunch of um ranchers and their 143 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: kids moving the bulls from like their pens to about 144 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: a half a mile to the arena. UM. And then 145 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: people started running alongside him, and counting evolved into the 146 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: running of the bulls. Now interesting else, said the Spanish 147 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: military leader uh midd eleventh century. He was one of 148 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: the first to actually bring it into the arena and 149 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: make it the sanctioned corrida, which was government sanctioned is 150 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: today at least what was back then imagined financially supported 151 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: by governments to fifteenth century. It was a big part 152 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: of the aristocracy until Queen Isabella came along and said 153 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: this is not cool. I don't know why she was 154 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: against it, probably because she was an animal lover. I 155 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: would say that's probably a good idea. And Pope Pious 156 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: UM five almost said v uh. He banned it, but 157 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: didn't last very long, um only about eight years, because 158 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: people were into it pretty pretty big time, right um. 159 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: And then in about the I guess in the six 160 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: hundred is when that that whole divergence between horseback and 161 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: foot bull foot bull fighting took place, and it remained. Um. 162 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: The sport of the aristocracy until Philip the came along 163 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: and he said, you know what, this is barbaric. You 164 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: would have to be a low class barbarian to engage 165 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: in bullfighting. So if you remember my court and you 166 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: get caught doing this, I'll shoot you in the knee. 167 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: And the aristocracy said, well, we want our knees intact, 168 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: so we're gonna stop doing this. And at this point 169 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: bullfighting transferred from a kind of high flutant, snooty pastime 170 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: to the the um, the pastime of the people, the 171 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: national sport of the Spanish people, and from that point 172 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: on it's it's stayed that way. Yeah, but they they 173 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: The author does point out that there are arenas in 174 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: Spain that still have the royal boxes for the royal 175 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: family right to attend these things, so it hasn't gone 176 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: away completely as far as that goes. So Spain is 177 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: the heart and life center of um bull fighting, but 178 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: there's other places that it's held. Obviously, I saw him 179 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: in cancun Um, and if you're a bullfighter, you can 180 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: follow the season pretty much year round and get work 181 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: if you're good. They have in France. Did you know that? 182 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: I didn't, But I saw that it's been It was 183 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: banned in the UK. Had no idea anybody was fighting 184 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: bulls and going on in Germany was going on all 185 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: over the place. It's crazy. But that doesn't make sense 186 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: that it would happen in Germany if the Visigoths are 187 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: the ones who introduced it to the Iberian Peninsula because 188 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: they were Germanic people from south of the south Norway 189 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: will call you south Way. I don't think the Goths. Uh. 190 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 1: So we'll walk you through what happens in a in 191 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: a corrida um in this whitewashed article version. But um, 192 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: before this ever happens, we'll walk you through the couple 193 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: of days before the bull even gets to the ring. Oh, 194 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: this is a special treat for me. It is the 195 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: bull Um is not an aggressive animal at all. Bull 196 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: likes to hang around and chew grass and uh smell flowers. 197 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: That sounds like bullfighting propaganda to me. No, Ferdinand, the 198 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: bull it's like a sweet creature. But they actually are 199 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: not aggressive. They're only um going to charge somebody if 200 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: they're threatened and angry, which is what bullfighting is all about. Um. So, 201 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: in the two days prior to the bull showing up 202 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: at the arena. They are abused. Um, they are uh 203 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: basically mentally destroyed versions of what a bull should be. 204 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: But there you're fat bull. While they do fatten him 205 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: up to make them slow. Well, that's problem, and you 206 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: can call somebody out for that. Okay. Um. They have 207 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: wet newspaper stuffed in their ears so they can't hear anything. 208 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: They have vasoline rubbed on their eyes so their visions blurred. 209 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: They have their eyes taped open so they can't sleep. Uh. 210 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: They stuff cotton up their nostrils so they can't breathe 211 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: very well, and they stick and needle through their genitals. That'll, 212 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: that'll take anybody off. They rubbed this caustic solution on 213 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: their legs, which makes the bull not be able to 214 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: balance and uh keeps the bull from lying down. Ever. 215 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: They strap their horns to the ceiling of their transport 216 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: truck ah to take them on their long hot journey 217 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: to wherever they're going. And for the two days before 218 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: they keep them in a in a box. Oh wait, 219 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's not all. They give them drugs to 220 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: either pep them up or slow them down, just to 221 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: keep them in whatever state they want them in. And 222 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: give them laxatives, uh to just sleep make things even 223 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: more uncomfortable. Um. Then they put the bull in the 224 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: in this dark box for two days, uh to disorient 225 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: the bull. Finally, when they opened the box, there's a 226 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel that the bull thinks, 227 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: my god, I'm finally getting out of here. Runs to 228 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: the light and all of a sudden they're in a 229 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: bull ring, right, And there's trumpets and fanfare and people cheering, um, 230 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: and the bulls like, oh cool, how's how's it? Hey? 231 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: How are you all doing? I've been through some rough 232 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: times lately. Um. Some of that stuff, I think if 233 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: you were found out, you would be disqualified immediately, especially 234 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: doing stuff that slowed the bull down or made it 235 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: less dangerous. Yes, the bull ring is a ring for 236 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: a reason. Um. Bulls would want to go try and 237 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: hide in a corner, but the ring, the circular ring, 238 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: will confuse in a bull to where it can't hide anywhere. 239 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that footage of that bull that 240 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: like makes it up into the hands, like jumps up 241 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: and then is into the stands like on top of people. 242 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: It was crazy? Was that bull run our test? No? 243 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: Do you get that joke. Okay. So the different acts 244 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: I believe are called tercios, Yes, I believe so. And 245 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: there's three of them, right, Yes, there's three of them, 246 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: and the that's three acts in a fight in a cardido, yes, 247 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: in a bull fight. Yeah, and um there's no suspense 248 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: going on either by the way they all go down 249 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: the same way. I bet it's suspenseful for the bull. Um. 250 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: So the bull comes out the first act or what? Uh? Yeah? 251 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: Act one? Okay. In act one there are um guys 252 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: called peka doors and they're mounted on horseback and they 253 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: are basically, um, I guess, low level torreros or bullfighters 254 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: because both. A matador is not the only kind of bullfighter. 255 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: He is cream of the crop, pinnacle of bullfighters, the 256 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: well paid rock star. Yes, um, but he works with 257 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: a crew of pika doors who show up in the 258 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: first act and bandilli aros who show up in the 259 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: second act. But the pika doors what they do is 260 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: they lance the bowl between his shoulder blades around his 261 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: neck muscles. And the whole point of this chuck You'll 262 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: love this one is to weaken the neck muscles so 263 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: that the bull's head hangs so that the matador can 264 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: get to its heart more easily. Yeah. It also hits 265 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: a gland in the neck that releases adrenaline. Apparently. Um 266 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: So they lanced the bull three times and twist the 267 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: blade around to ensure maximum blood loss. Um. Three matadors 268 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: will now come in. They will fight individually later on, 269 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: but they all come in at first in the first 270 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: act with their capes. And this is and for the 271 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: for the bull fight, it's an afternoon of them. There's 272 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: six bulls and three matadors in each mattador fights two 273 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: bulls and each bull fight takes about fifteen and twenty minutes, 274 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: yes roughly. Um So they come in with their little 275 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: capes and uh do their little maneuvers to draw attention 276 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: away from the pika doors. And the pika doors go 277 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: and hide behind their little walls. They have these interior 278 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: walls that they can hide behind. Whenever the bull starts 279 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: to get too dangerous, they run and high behind these walls. Yes, 280 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: or if this or America, the Pika doors would be 281 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: dressed as clowns and would hide in barrels. Look at rodeo. Yeah, 282 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: it will do a rodeo podcast at some point. Do 283 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: we have to not sure, okay, they don't. I don't 284 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: think they kill the cows and rodeos. No, okay. Um, 285 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: So the pika doors leave the ring. The matadors leave 286 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: the ring at two begins in the bandel yarros. I 287 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: know that's a tough one. Yeah, they come in. They're 288 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: they're basically bullfighters, assistant bullfighters, but they're on foot. Yes, 289 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: and if you've ever seen a bullfighter picture of a 290 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: bull fight, bulls seem to have some um crepe barbed 291 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 1: sticking out of him. That's the bandelierros work. Yes, and 292 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: that is called a bandias and it's a barbed dart. 293 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: It's adorned colorfully. The bulls aren't the only things dying 294 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: in this episode, so was the Spanish language, because we 295 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: are butchering it. I'm trying uh this of course, further 296 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: weekends the bull um so the mighty Matador doesn't have 297 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: much work to do. So the bull is still dangerous. 298 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: Um are They run in circles at this point to 299 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: to get it nice and dizzy and confused. The manador 300 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: comes out for the final act and he has ten 301 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: ten official minutes to kill the bull. Well to do 302 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: a little showing off first and then kill the bull. 303 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: Um after the ten minute warring. After the ten minutes, 304 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: he gets in a viso, which is a warning first warning. 305 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: After three minutes he gets another one, and then he 306 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: gets a third one, so he has a total of 307 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: in actuality fifteen minutes to kill the bull or else 308 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: the bull is let out alive and the metadors disgraced. 309 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: But for the most part, the matador is going to 310 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: dispatch the bull, and um, he does it if he 311 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: first starts using the cape and the cape is always 312 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: held in the left hand. Is it? That's all right handed? Dudes? 313 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: I did not. I was looking, and I could even 314 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: tell that they were. Um there, the cape was kind 315 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: of clumsy held in the left hand. They were still 316 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: holding it in the left hand. Well, the guys I 317 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: saw were practicing, so maybe I don't know, but I 318 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: don't see why they would practice with their right hand. 319 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: I don't either. Okay, But you have a cape in 320 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: one hand, you have a sword in the other. Yes, 321 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: and the point of the cape. By the way, we 322 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: should probably get to this now. Um, cape is always 323 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: red because red Anger's bulls right true balls are color blind, 324 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: so they're not angered by red or any other color. 325 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: What does get them going is the movement of the 326 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: cape and sticking uh swords in their neck. That's another 327 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: thing that gets them going. Um. And actually that's not 328 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: necessarily true. By the time the manador comes out, sometimes 329 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: the um the bowl is really tired from blood loss 330 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: and being tortured for a couple of days apparently, um. 331 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: And so the manador really kind of has to work 332 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: to get it riled up again. And even though the 333 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: bulls just like, just kill me, manador is like, not yet, 334 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: we have a crowd to please first, So um the 335 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: the manador eventually after the cape work is done. Um. 336 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: Oh the cape is read by the way to high bloodstains. Um. 337 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: Once the cape work is done, the manador will um 338 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,479 Speaker 1: as the bull runs past him, will plunge the sword 339 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: in between his shoulder blades and what's called a estoccata, 340 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: which is the death blow and uh it properly delivered 341 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: estocata will sever the bulls a order and that will 342 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: be that almost immediately for the bull. If it's not 343 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: done correctly, then the bull can be in even more 344 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: tremendous pain as it bleeds out. But to protect against this, 345 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: a bandeliero will come out and uh immediately deliver any 346 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: any another thrust of a blade to make sure the 347 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: bull is dead with a puntilla a smaller knife. UM. 348 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: Ideally they killed them with one blow. That rarely happens 349 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: because apparently matadors aren't so great at doing that anymore. 350 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if they ever were. And uh, a 351 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: lot of times the bull lives even through the smaller 352 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: knife plunge and is still alive when the ears and 353 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: tail or hoof or cut off and presented to the matador. 354 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: Usually there's a there's another fail safe um where they 355 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: just bring out a tractor and run the bull over 356 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of times to make sure that it's it's 357 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: so nice. And if that doesn't work, then they the 358 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: people come down from the stands and just start shooting it. 359 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: That's not true, and it's not funny. It's not funny 360 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: because it's not true. And oftentimes do survive hanging on 361 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: by a thread. Their lungs are punctured, so they're bleeding, 362 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: like drowning in their own blood and like vomiting up 363 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: blood through their nose and mouth like a whale dying 364 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: and flurry. Uh. And sometimes they will take it outside 365 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: and skin it while it's even still alive. Yeah, that's 366 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: a kind of a tradition. Um. I saw the bull 367 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: after the bullfight. It was pretty sad. Um. They take 368 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: the bull right outside and um they'll dress it and 369 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: then sell the meat at the stadium. Um, which is 370 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: customary and very strange, but that's one of the aspects 371 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: of bullfighting. If you've ever wanted a bull burger and 372 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: you wanted to eat it right after you saw a die, 373 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: go to a bullfight in Spain. Uh, they will drag 374 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: the bull out with some mules attached to chains. And UM. 375 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if the booing booing you heard, because 376 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: apparently the people will boo and throw beer cans at 377 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: the bull at the end. I don't know if that's 378 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: what you were. It depends, So it depends. Um no, no, no, no, 379 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: that's this was. They were booing the matador, the banliros, 380 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: the doors, everybody. They were booing the whole country of 381 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: Mexico for this. Um. Yeah they're booing everybody. No. Um, 382 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: it depends on the bull. If the bull was um 383 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: a woss, then I could see the fans throwing beer 384 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: cans at it. There's also um that an aspect of 385 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: this that cannot be denying that a bull that shows 386 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: great bravery, anger, um, spirit, spunk really tries to kill 387 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: the matador or the bandili arros will be very much 388 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: revered by the people in the stands and gruesomely UM. 389 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: They'll bring it out for a victory lap, being dragged 390 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: by the mules in a circle around the arena. After 391 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: it's dead, or apparently while it's still dying, people will 392 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: cheer it, throw roses for it. Um. And there's a 393 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: there's a a UM. There's a rule where the crowd 394 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: or the manador can ask for an uh indolito, which 395 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: is a reprieve for a particularly courageous bull, and the 396 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: president of the of the bullfight, the referee can say, yes, 397 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: I give this bull of reprieve because it's such an 398 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: awesome bowl. We're gonna let it live. And the manador 399 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: proceeds to um with an empty hand simulate the death blow, 400 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: saying I could have killed the bull, but I like 401 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: the bull so much I lobbied to get it released. 402 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: That bull is taken away and UM put out the 403 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: stud for the rest of its life. And there was one. 404 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: It's very rare to get an indulto. Um. And there 405 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: was one one bull called Manzanito in seven he got 406 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: an indulto because he gored all three manadors in the 407 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: plaza that day. Wow. That that that will get you 408 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: off right there. You get to go stud for the 409 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: rest of your life. Mr. Bull. Horses are also abused. 410 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: The ones that participate, uh, their ears are stuffed with newspaper, 411 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: wet newspaper. They're blindfolded, and they sever their vocal cords 412 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: so they can't scream out in pain because people don't 413 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: want to hear that. They don't want to scream. Yeah, 414 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: people don't like that, So they sever the vocal cords. 415 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: So the horses that are, you know, trembling in fear 416 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: inside this ring at this bowl, don't bark out and 417 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: let people know that. And if the horses are hurt, 418 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: they take them out of the ring and patch them 419 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: up and send them right back in there. Where are 420 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: you getting this activist info all over the place? Yeah? 421 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, I mean it's not activist info, it's 422 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: how it goes down. No, it all just kind of 423 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: has a certain ring to it. I'm not disputing it. 424 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: I'm just saying like, yeah, well I mean coming out 425 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: of my mouth, it probably sounds activist because I think 426 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 1: it's an awful thing to do something like this. But 427 00:25:48,640 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: this is the these is the facts. UM. Okay, Well 428 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: in check you will love the next part wherein we 429 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: talk about famous manadors. Yeah, I feel free. So uh. 430 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: People have been doing this since what we said, like 431 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: the eleventh century, right, Elsid was supposedly the first guy 432 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: to fight a bull in a arena, UM, and since 433 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: then it's it's just become huge, big business. UM. But 434 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: the first real and probably only real Golden age if 435 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: you call it that, bullfighting happened UM from nineteen fourteen 436 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: and nine, and there were two matadors, Juan belmonte Garcia 437 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 1: and Jose Gomez, who fought bulls under the name Joslite. 438 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: Though UM had a rivalry and Um. Belmonte Garcia was 439 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: actually the first guy apparently to stand still or stand 440 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: his ground when he was in cape work with a bull, 441 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: rather than try to run away from the bull using 442 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: fancy footwork that erect style. Jsalito was his rival, and 443 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: the rivalry was really going swimmingly, I guess for everybody 444 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: but the bulls, until Hosalito was fatally gored Um at 445 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 1: a match that both of them were at Garcia and 446 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: Hosalito were fighting at um In and that end of 447 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: the Golden age of bullfighting. You'll be happy to hear. 448 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: He must have been small. Hosalito. Yeah, his name is Jose, 449 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: and I think if you're Jose and they call you Hosalito, 450 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 1: that means you're small, like add that eto to anything 451 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: alito or young because he started very young. Oh yeah, 452 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: maybe that's true. He started at age thirteen, um and 453 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: he was only I think twenty twenty five when he 454 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: died when he was gored So. Uh. Another guy who's 455 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: gorgeous named Manuel Rodriguez E Sanchez. Do you think that's 456 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: like the mothers and the father's names when it's two 457 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: last names and there's an e in and in the middle. 458 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I would think so. And well, Rodriguez 459 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: in Sanchez. You put the Rodriguez together and the Sanchez 460 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: is together and you get Manuel also known as Menolette. 461 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: Maybe so. And he was gordon In. He was the 462 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: top matador from nineteen forty to ninety seven, and I 463 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: think is goring In the end of his being the 464 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: top matador was not coincidental. I think you're probably right. Uh, 465 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: should we talk about the bulls because it's very specific 466 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: what kind of bulls are fighting. They're all four years old, 467 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: which I didn't know. I didn't either, Um, and they 468 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: are specifically bred to bull fight, and they way about 469 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: thirteen hundred pounds. You want to translate that niquilos for 470 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: our friends, it's five ninety kilograms, right, And um, they 471 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 1: are bread and ranches. And this article says that they 472 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: are tested for bravery and ferocity and that if you 473 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: pass that test, you would become a fighting bull. Um. 474 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: And that may be true sometimes, but uh, matadors like 475 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: to make their money and they don't want to be gored, 476 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: So the high falutin matadors will request very placid, docile 477 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: bulls just to keep the show going. Is that true? 478 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: Well that's what that's what I read. Okay, So have 479 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,239 Speaker 1: they just want to put on the show? You know, 480 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: they don't want to die? Well, I'm sure they don't 481 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: w want to make They want to make a few 482 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: million bucks a year. Ye doing it easy too, because 483 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: they get paid about a hundred grand a bullfight and 484 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: they can do maybe thirty to forty or more. Yeah, 485 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: I know the um oh the guy Bell monteh he 486 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: had a record hundred and nine bullfights in It's a lot. 487 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: It's like in Rocky three when he was fighting all 488 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: the chumps just for a pay day. Oh yeah, he 489 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: didn't want any real challenge. But ultimately he did want 490 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: a real challenge because he fights. He fought Draco, well, 491 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: he fought cluver Lang and three and three it was 492 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: the Russian. Oh no, no, ye. Three was clever Lane. No. Yeah. 493 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: The first two were Apollo, the third was cluver Lane, 494 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: the fourth was the Russian. I thought that he was uh, 495 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: Tommy Morrison. And then the sixth was when he came 496 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: back as a trainer, huh. And the seventh was him 497 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: enjoying a nice sandwich for two hours. No, Rocky three 498 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: was definitely clever Lane, because that was my favorite one 499 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: until I got older and I realized that the first 500 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: one was actually the better one. You know. I thought 501 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: that I would think that too, and then I went 502 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: back and watched it as an adult, and I'm like, 503 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty good, but oh man, I loved it. 504 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: There's just too much character development in it for a 505 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: Rocky movie. Well, it was a love story it wasn't 506 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: even a boxing movie. Wrong with you, I understand, but 507 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: it was a love story starring and written and directed 508 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: by Sylvester Stallone. That's right, all right. Back to the bulls. 509 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: Bulls are never exposed to more than one fight. Yes, 510 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: apparently they have very good memories, so they learn how 511 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: to out dual the the matador in their in their cape. 512 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: So that's why they don't bite them twice. And the 513 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: guys who test their ferocity for I guess the ones 514 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: that are tested, those are done on horseback, so that 515 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: the bull is not like, oh I remember those capes. 516 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you. I associate you with laxatives. Well, 517 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: even this article says that they they alter bulls to 518 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: make them easier to fight. But this is what I'm saying. 519 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: It's so um it's a very participatory sport for spectators. Um. So, 520 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: like you can ask for an indolito, you can also 521 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: challenge or charge uh somebody with fighting an altered bull, 522 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: one that's overfed and too fat and slow, one whose 523 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: horns have been altered, because apparently the tips of the 524 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: horns of a bull are very much like a cat's whiskers, 525 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: and if you remove that the bull is not going 526 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: to have a very good sense of kinetics and Willever 527 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: hit the matador. If the crowd thinks that your career 528 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: is like over pal, that's why I don't think it's 529 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: quite as widespread either that or else. Um, bullfighting crowds 530 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: have become complacent. Well, I think that's definitely true. Yeah. Well, 531 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: because it's tourists they don't know how to spot a 532 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: fat bull. Well, then that very well may be the case. 533 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: And they also apparently the way they stabbed them and 534 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: where they stabbed them, they do so in order to 535 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: make sure they charge straight instead of like I've got 536 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: a bad left leg, all of a sudden, I'm gonna 537 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: be going left all day or right all day. Yeah. So, Chuck, 538 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: we mentioned that you can make a pretty decent living 539 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: doing bull fights, but you also mentioned, um that there's 540 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: there may be the death of bull fighting as it were. 541 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: Do you think that's really true. I mean, seriously, people 542 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: have been doing this since the fourth century, and now 543 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, just because of a bad economy 544 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: and animal activism, bull fight is going down. It's starting 545 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: to where's the evidence. Well, the polls that the popular 546 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: sentiment is changing in Spain over the past fifteen years 547 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: is one. UM. Catalonia is the first region in mainland 548 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: Spain to actually ban it in Barcelonas in Catalonia. Yeah, 549 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: which is big because Barcelona had not one, not two, 550 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: but three bullfighting arenas, that's right, and that took effects. 551 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: That took effect. Actually just this year, on January one, 552 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: they said, like, let's finish out the two thousand eleven 553 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: season and then we'll ban it shouting from that point. 554 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: They had the last one at UH in September. I 555 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: think September two thousand eleven was the last one ever 556 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,959 Speaker 1: was UM. But that's a huge deal. But even in 557 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,719 Speaker 1: Spain they're kind of like the snooty Catalans, like they 558 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: don't they don't enjoy bullfighting. I think that's made some 559 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: quarters of Spain even more fiercely proud of it. Yeah, 560 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: probably so, like Madrid apparently is still very proud of 561 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: their bullfighting it UH. In two thousand ten, one of 562 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: the state television stations said, we are going to ban 563 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: coverage live coverage of it because kids can watch this 564 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: on tv UM. They happen in the hours, in the 565 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: early afternoon hours, in early evening, so they won't broadcast 566 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: until after ten pm. Now right, well, there's a there's 567 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: a law that says you can't show animal cruelty on 568 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: Spanish television until after ten pm because of children, And 569 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: so that's effectively banned, right, showing bullfighting in Spain. Um, 570 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 1: which is a huge blow to it. Um, I guess 571 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: economically or financially, because I mean think about how many 572 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: how much money comes from television deals and sponsorships, if 573 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: you can get rid of it on TV, like, that's that. Yeah, 574 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: that's true. And then there's also, Um, they've shown that 575 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: there's evidence that government, that the federal government of Spain 576 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: is pretty much what's propping up bull fighting these days, 577 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: because um, there were what it went from a thousand 578 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: bull fights in two thousand eight to eight hundred and 579 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: two in Spain, and um, that two hundred was almost exclusively, um, 580 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,240 Speaker 1: the result of cuts and government subsidies to small towns 581 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: that can't afford to put on a bullfight. And so 582 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: that means that, yeah, the government's holding the whole thing up. Yeah. 583 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: I read a couple of interesting articles today. One of 584 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: them was from a veterinarian. Uh, and they have vets 585 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: at the bullfight. Um on staff, I guess uh. And 586 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: this vet went on record as saying they did all 587 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: this testing of like adrenaline and or adrenaline and all 588 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: these different uh chemicals in the body on these bulls 589 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: that had just survived, ones that were dead ones before 590 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: they went in and basically to prove that the bull 591 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: suffers a great deal because there's this misguided notion that 592 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: the bull doesn't suffer because they're this magical creature. I 593 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: saw this one interview with a Bandaliro and he said 594 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 1: that a vetinary in this translate obviously, but he said, 595 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: a veterinarian told me that the bulls have a special 596 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: cell in their body that prevents it from suffering and 597 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: feeling pain. It's not true. Oh are you sure? Yeah, 598 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: there's no special cell that that keeps them from feeling pain. 599 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: Well that's a that's a larger debate too. I mean, like, 600 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: I believe bulls can suffer. But you know, um, if 601 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: you've read David Foster, Wallace is considered the lobster. Can 602 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: a lobster suffer is no susception is the perception, the 603 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: physical feeling of pain is that the same thing is suffering. 604 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 1: Now we've shown it's not remembering our happiness audiobook. We 605 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,760 Speaker 1: talked about the difference between experiencing physical pain and experiencing suffering. 606 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: Right now, they actually utilize different parts of the brain. 607 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 1: So if there's no suffering, is inflicting pain on something 608 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: e g. Cooking it um? Is that cruel? It's a 609 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: good point, it is, But I think bulls experienced suffering. 610 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: It's especially if they go through what you describe. Yeah, 611 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: and if you're against bull fighting and you want to 612 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: do something, you can email the or mail the embassies 613 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: of these countries that still participate and tell them that, hey, 614 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to visit your country. I'm not gonna 615 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: spend my money there. If you're still going to endorse this, 616 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: it's a small thing you can do. Can you mail 617 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: me some wine because I can't make it over there? 618 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: Some temper and neo uh And I just I'm gonna 619 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: go on record as saying this whole thing that it's 620 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: a it's part of the culture is just crap. Well, 621 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: the the Spanish federal government would disagree with you because 622 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: in two doesn't tend. And what a lot of people 623 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: see as a response to um, the Catalonia ban Um 624 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: the Spanish government transferred jurisdiction over bullfighting from the Interior 625 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: Ministry to the Cultural Ministry, so as an attempt to 626 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: keep it from being banned. It's gonna be uh, it'll 627 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: be a tough fault one. But yeah, apparently even Mexico 628 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: now is entertaining the idea of banning it. You know 629 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: some other things that were defended as culture, genital mutilation 630 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: on females, witch burning, bear baiting. You ever heard of that? Um? No. 631 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,720 Speaker 1: Bear baiting was popular in England up until the eighteenth century. 632 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: That is, when you take a bear like a you know, 633 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: grizzly bear or brown bear, like a clown well not 634 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: far off, You put it in a pit and chain 635 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: it to a steak and release dogs on it, and 636 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: the dogs kill the bear, or the bear kills some 637 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: of the dogs, so they release more dogs, and people 638 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 1: sit around and gamble on is the bear gonna get 639 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,760 Speaker 1: eaten first or the dog's gonna get killed first? And uh, 640 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: it's blood sport. And I think this is the same thing. 641 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 1: You know. Um, that's where bulldogs came from, and that's 642 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: where they got their name from. It's called bull baiting, 643 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: and bulldogs used to not even come close to resembling 644 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: what they do now. They were actually bred to be 645 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: less vicious um by making them slower and dumber and 646 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: more cuddly and dumber but more cuddly um. And that's 647 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: how we have the modern budocks now. But they evolved 648 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: from basically uh, in the nineteenth century bulldogs. Where we're 649 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: where um pitple breed is now where there are a 650 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: lot of people being like, we just need to wipe 651 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: this breed off the face of the planet. It's gone 652 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: out of control. They're crazy. Everybody scared them. They're killing people. Um. 653 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: And then they managed to breed the meanness out of them. 654 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: But bull bull baiting too. Bull baiting bulls just have 655 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: been taken it well. Embarbating actually still happens in Pakistan 656 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: and it's uh, it's horrific. So two from me to 657 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: you people of Spain, Mexico, France, Uh, ritualized killing of 658 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: animals for people to pay for and watch is a 659 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: little outdated and just silly and cruel, and I say 660 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: please stop, from from Chuck to you, from me to you. 661 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: And one more thing. The whole notion of culture isn't 662 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: that supposedly to advance your civilization. And isn't that supposed 663 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: to mean like positive things like culture? I mean, what 664 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: brings people together more than the ritual is killing down 665 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: here and watching watching bull fight. All right, I'm done, 666 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: um off soapbox. So how do you feel about bullfighting personally? 667 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 1: I think it's great. If you want to learn more 668 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: about bull fighting UM or Chuck's views on it, you 669 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: can type in Chuck or bull fighting in the search 670 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: bar at how stuff works dot com. Uh, And I 671 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 1: said search bar, which means it is time for listener mail. 672 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: We're very riled up listener mail. That's right, this is calm. 673 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this. Uh. Illustrator wrote us about the 674 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 1: comics episode Guys, I'm in currently an illustrator. Uh. Does 675 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: he not have much hope for his future in that field? No? 676 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: I think he does, Um, I felt because he does 677 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,280 Speaker 1: like a digital illustration team. UM. I found your podcast 678 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: when I was hip deep in art school at the 679 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: Art Institute of Boston. But there are only so many 680 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: times I could listen to the same old Our Lady 681 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: Peace songs on repeat from that group. No, he had 682 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: like one song, Oh I can't remember I dug it. 683 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: This song actually I got the CD because of that song. Man, 684 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: I used to fall for that. When I was like, 685 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: well fourteen, you just be like, that's the only good 686 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 1: song on the whole CD before the Kiss single. Yeah. Um. 687 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 1: I'm now a professional illustrator, but I also teach art 688 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: at A I B. And I was able to live 689 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: a mini dream when my higher ups approached me about 690 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,839 Speaker 1: teaching a comic book class. So he was pretty stoked 691 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: about this um on the comics. And this is just 692 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: some things he pointed out on the comics code of 693 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: authority you guys talked about. World War Two was long 694 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 1: over and the new round of superheroes Spiderman, Fantastic Four 695 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: had yet to emerge from the minds of Lee Kirbean Ditko. 696 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,720 Speaker 1: As a result, comics were merely treading water and chasing 697 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: from fad to fad, westerns to romance to eventually horror 698 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: horror comics or what really started to worry everyone, so 699 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: they began to put pressure on companies like EC, who 700 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: had made their names in over the top horror. In turn, 701 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 1: EC basically jettison at Steak in horror comics and latched 702 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: onto a little humor comic uh Mad, which we talked about. 703 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 1: It was like UM Stories Guaranteed to Drive you Mad, 704 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: exactly the original but to this point, Mad was published 705 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 1: basically as a comic book. In essence, EC was looking 706 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: to hedge its bets, so it relaunched Mad as a 707 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: magazine UM, which is very different distinction because it all 708 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: of a sudden wasn't under the code of authority. Uh In, 709 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: we were blessed with a very first MAD magazine, a 710 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: very calculated move since they were not heavily scrutinized like 711 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,479 Speaker 1: comics and they didn't have to worry about the comics code, 712 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: and it's very smart. It is UM. I hope to 713 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: make it big as a comics illustrator in children's book 714 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: illustrator who says I can't do both. I also thought 715 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: you might like to know that you're keeping me company 716 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: during these long hours chasing the dream and this dude 717 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: stuff is awesome And if you want to hire Greg Marathus, 718 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,399 Speaker 1: you can get in touch with him at the Greg 719 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,800 Speaker 1: Marathas Studio, which is g R E G M A 720 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,280 Speaker 1: R A T h A s dot com or Rita's 721 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: blog Greg Marathus dot blog spot dot com. Stuff is 722 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: very cool. I told him I'd keep them in mind 723 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: if we ever needed drawings. We could use some drawings. 724 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: We need some Facebook timeline drawings. If he's holling to 725 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: work for free, can it? Did we remember? We um 726 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: we got chastise biographic designer for holding that T shirt contest. Yeah, 727 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: I emailed him back act it dissas calm them down. 728 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I was like, you know, most of these 729 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: were amateur designers. There was some pros in there, but 730 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: there was something in mind. And it's not like we've 731 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: forced anybody to do with but there's a whole there's 732 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: a whole movement um from designers about design contests being awful. 733 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: Like what other industry basically asked for free work as 734 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,359 Speaker 1: a contest quote unquote there's like fiction contests. Yeah, there's 735 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: all kinds of box Derby's. Yeah, there's a lot of 736 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: stuff that people do for free as part of a contest, 737 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,359 Speaker 1: bake offs or bakes off. I'm sorry. And I saw 738 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: some designers that say I don't agree with that contests 739 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 1: make me better. And if you don't, that's a ridiculous idea. 740 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: Architecture as a field has been in contest mode for 741 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 1: a century more and like, yeah, that's there's a lot 742 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: of work put into it, and there's a lot of 743 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 1: work put into graphic design. Contests are everywhere. I think 744 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: that's a ridiculous stance. Well, his point was, because he 745 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 1: mailed me back in he was like, well, find the 746 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,919 Speaker 1: contest is fine, but you should give them a cut 747 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: of the T shirt sales. I don't disagree with that. Well, 748 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: I know, but we had no choice. Well, no, we're 749 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: in no position whatsoever to share it. I told him, dude, 750 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: if it was up to me, they would get of 751 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: the T shirt sales. I don't know about that. Well, 752 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,879 Speaker 1: we don't get any well, I know, but still we could. 753 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: If we couldn't negotiate on their behalf, we would work 754 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 1: a little bit in for us to man, what a 755 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: volatile episode right to the end. Yeah, so I guess 756 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: if you want to express your volatility UM toward us, 757 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: that's cool. We can handle it. We've been taken it 758 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: for years. You can tweet to us at s Y 759 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: s K podcast. You can send us stuff on Facebook, 760 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 1: including Facebook art for the timeline UM at Facebook dot 761 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: com slash stuff. You should know. You can also email 762 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: us at Stuff podcast at Discovery dot com. Be sure 763 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: to check out our new video podcast, Stuff from the Future. 764 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: Join how Stuffwork staff as we explore them A promising 765 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 1: and perplexing possibilities of tomorrow