1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: What's Donald Trump up to these days? What really went 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes during the election, and how do 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: we keep the nationwide murder rate from skyrocketing? Today? I 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: get all the answers to these three questions from someone 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: who motors from personal experience. This is out Allowed with 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: Gianno called One. Welcome back to Allow with Gianno called blow. 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: I've got a big show for you guys this week. 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: My guest is the one and only Rudy Giuliani, an 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: attorney who served as the mayor of New York City, 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: FRO and one. On today's episode, we discussed Donald Trump, 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, the future to GOP Giuliani's time is the 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: mayor of New York, how to stop crime, and so 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: much more. Let's go. We got the one and only 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: the very honorable Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Thank you, Mr Mayor 15 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: for joining all Out with Gianno calledwell. Really appreciate being 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: very high. I regard you this, No, I appreciate that greatly. Now, 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: I was reading something and before we get into the apology, 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: because the interview and all that other stuff, but I 19 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: was reading something recently which said that you would be 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: at the Trump Hotel so often that they gave you 21 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: a gold plate was said personal office that Rudy Giuliani. 22 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah, kind of a joke back made 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: up that said we had we had a funny one 24 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: and we had a serious one. One said put off Giuliani, 25 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: attorney at law, and the other had something crazy written 26 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: on it, you know, the Trump coach. It was downstairs 27 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: under the BLT restaurant in the corner. And during the 28 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: impeachment proceedings, particularly when we were writing up answers and all, 29 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: I started to get kind of uh restless, then locked 30 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: up in a room, so I went downstairs so I 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: could see people, and they decided to make up my 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: office one day. I hope to grow up and and 33 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: have those kind of privileges that I'll be working my 34 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: way up in two So that's very the long stretch. 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: It was good though, Yeah, no, no kidding, no kidding. Now, 36 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 1: before we get into I said it was a great 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: honor to represent a president I admire so much, and 38 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm looking forward to hear more about that. 39 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: But before we get into the politics and the issues 40 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: of the day, I wanted to ask you about Russia. Limbaugh. 41 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: I know he was a friend of yours, legendary conservative 42 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: radio host see of course passed recently, and you are 43 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: were really good friends from what I understand. Can you 44 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: just thoughts words on Rush? I would We were friends 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: to thirty one years. We had almost say, we kind 46 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: of grew up together and I had the same mentor 47 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: Roger als So Roger Roger, you know, work with Rush 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: at the beginning when he was developing his show. He 49 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: also was my political consultant when I ran some mayor. 50 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: So I would be a lot of times in Roger's 51 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: office and he'd be talking to Rush on the phone 52 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: or we both be here together trying to chain Rush 53 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: into being a radio host and plain me into being 54 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: a politician. And we became good friends, and we started 55 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: to play. We started to play touch football, and believe 56 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: it or not, we used to play water volleyball. Imagine 57 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: Russia Limbo playing water volleyball all summer. We would play 58 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: every Saturday or Sunday at Roger Els plays. We played 59 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: water volleyball. And then we both love golf. So for 60 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: the last seven or eight years we participated every year 61 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: in the in the Els for Autism tournament. We wanted 62 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: two out of the ten or twelve years that we've 63 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: we played with with with Marvin Shankin, so we have 64 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: two trophies together. And you know, it's funny this is 65 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: this is the time of year we would practice for 66 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: it February because it's in March. And I really miss him. 67 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: That is quite the story. And I had no idea 68 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: that Roger Els was one time your mentor. Of course, 69 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: Roger Els is the the founder of Fox News Channel, 70 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: and makes sense why you had so much success as mayor. 71 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: From a messaging standpoint, it was a genius a messaging 72 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: What a genius? What a genius? I mean so and 73 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: so and so, I mean and and Rush. I mean 74 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: everybody wants to know why was rushed to a success. 75 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: But let's start off with the fact that man was brilliant. 76 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he read, He consumed huge amounts of materials. 77 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: I think I used the trump is in there, you maal. 78 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: And then he had a very facile mind, very very 79 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: quick mind, very logical. I always thought that the thing 80 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: that made the difference for him he could explain complex 81 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: things in an easy way. And then he always had 82 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: a sense of humor. And I think that's why you 83 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: can hold an audience I mean three hours in the 84 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: middle of the day. Yeah, I never understood how he 85 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: could get so many people. Unbelievable, unblood the challenging man. 86 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: I think he's created a whole new discipline, a lot 87 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: of ten out. But I mean he was like the 88 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: first one to really do that. Absolutely tends of millions, 89 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: and we remember him the guy father of radio who 90 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: certainly taught a lot of young folks like myself I 91 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: think or two about conservatism. So I appreciate rush Um, 92 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: So thank you for sharing your thoughts on him. Now, 93 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: switching gears a little bit. I know you've been the 94 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: personal attorney for President Trump for years, You've known him 95 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: for a long time. Have you spoken with him recently? 96 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: Is he in good spirits these days? Great spirits, He's 97 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: in terrific spirits. He's getting very getting very excited about 98 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: his appearance at seedpac. It could got a couple of 99 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: surprises in mind, which I'm gonna try really hard not 100 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: to give away. And Um, I think he's I think 101 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: he has spent a lot of time. You know, this 102 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: is about the longest he's gone right without in a 103 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: long time, without treating or he's actually given a lot 104 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: of thought to where we're going as a country, where 105 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: we're going as a party. I think he's gonna be 106 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: a real surprised when he when he lays it out, 107 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: hell well thought out it is. So I'm hearing you 108 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: say that is the president about that announce campaign for president. 109 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: You can tell us there's only us talking. No, No, 110 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: I would I would say no, no. I don't want 111 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: to set that expectation. I think it's too early could 112 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: do that. I think he's sure his heck is gonna 113 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: make it clear. He's pretty interested. But I don't think. 114 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't think personally, you don't decide something like that 115 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: so far in advance. I do think he's gonna want 116 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: to he's gonna want to have a big role in 117 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: guiding the party through the twenty twenty two elections so 118 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: that we get so that we get the House. We're 119 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: real close in the House, and my goodness, we're right 120 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: there in the Senate. But I mean the House. The House, 121 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: I mean was a big surprise where we are definitely 122 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: within reach of taking both houses. And I think the 123 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: concentration number one for him. I think the philosophy of 124 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: the party has been able to give more thought to 125 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean because of all of the honestly, all of 126 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: the vicious treatment that he was put through it, which 127 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: I I think any other man would have would have 128 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: cracked under the pressure they put on put that man 129 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: through it, constantly pursuing him with false charges from David 130 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: when he was running. They were making up the Russian thing. Uh, 131 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: he hasn't had. People don't realize what a substance of 132 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: president he was. How much he got done. You do 133 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: get a lot done. I mean, my goodness. He straightened 134 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: at the economy. We had the best economy ever. He 135 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: straightened out regulations. He knocked the regulations and has right. Yes, 136 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: he completely revised foreign policy North Korea, big problem North Koreia. 137 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: We can talk to legendary now historic peace agreements in 138 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: the Middle East, which I hope Biby Cherry group doesn't 139 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: really ruin with irresponsible agreement with the land. So I 140 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: think he's gonna he's gonna. I think he's sort of 141 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: switch the two political parties in a way got us 142 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: to realize that the Republican Party is now the party 143 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: of the people and the Democratic Party is the party 144 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: of the elite. And I agree with that assessment. They 145 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: certainly went from the party of perceived the little guy 146 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: to definitely, how much money do you have will welcome 147 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: you in. Of course, the Democratic Party is what I'm 148 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: referring to. Now. It's interesting in reference in one of 149 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: your earlier comments in terms of seed pack and saying 150 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: that it's too early to wage something like a presidential 151 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: race so early on. But if you're a guy who 152 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: was in office and you had four years with the 153 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: economy prosper you had the lowest unemployment rate for African 154 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: Americans and minorities on record, Um, you're able to put 155 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: in so many different policies that strengthened our economy, strengthened 156 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: our government, cut regulations, made sure businesses could prosper. You 157 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: have a record like that, and then the race. Of course, 158 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: he he has been saying that the race was stolen. Um, 159 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: with that be in the case, how could you not 160 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: decide that you're gonna run again? Because these guys that 161 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: clearly Biden isn't gonna be productive as president. We've seen 162 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: that already is first three days in office, he's already 163 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,239 Speaker 1: eliminating a billion dollars in wages, um, killing the Keystone pipeline. 164 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: I mean, people Biden voters have been finessed hoodwink, I 165 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: mean Ben Boozel. So how is it the President Trump? 166 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's thought maybe I am absolutely going to 167 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: do that. You don't think any of that's gonna come 168 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: out this week? First of all, A little bit would 169 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: be speculating because he hasn't really made a decision about 170 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: number one about running and number two exactly how he's 171 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: gonna put it, what he's gonna say, what's the right 172 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: way to approach it is. I think the thing that's 173 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: very clear is he's very comfortable in the role and 174 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: he's going to make sure that people understand it that 175 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: he's he's the leader of the Republican Party, and that 176 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: he's going to make sure the Republican Party is guided 177 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: by very very solid principles and keeping I keep us 178 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: growing as a party of the people. I mean, I 179 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: like that. I enjoy I enjoy representing the people who 180 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: feel that they've been cut out by government and I've 181 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: been ignored by government. And no, they don't have lobbyists, 182 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: so they need to count on Donald Trump of their lobbyists. 183 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: You know, I I really I think that's a very 184 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: very um that's a great position to be in to 185 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: grow and I think we will be able to attract 186 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: a lot of young people that way too, because that's 187 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: pretty exciting, you know, change, it's much more exciting and 188 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: just keeping up the shame, you know, broken patent. Considering 189 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: what we just experienced in terms of election, looking back 190 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: on that, how do you remember the presidential campaign just 191 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: pulling behind the curtain. What were some of the things 192 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: that were experienced, perhaps things that people haven't heard of 193 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: um at this point because it was a number of 194 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: lawsuits all over the country. UM. I personally believe that 195 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: the GOP should have been ringing alarm on the mail 196 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: in balloting months before the election took place. That makes 197 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: the most sense. And now we've had members of the 198 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: party who have said so as well that they should 199 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: have been ringing the alarm alarm. Can you give us 200 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: any of the behind the scenes on what happened there? 201 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: First of all, it was the strangest election ever, in 202 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: part because of the lockdowns and shutdowns in pandemic and 203 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: part because the Democrat candidate decided to spend most of 204 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: the campaign in the basement. It's like boxing with somebody 205 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: doesn't show up, you're in the ring and he's he's 206 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: he's hiding in the dressing room, and uh so it was. 207 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: It was a strange campaign in that regard. I think 208 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right to focus on the mail in balloting 209 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: because for years we had been warned that mail, that 210 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: massive mail invaliding is uh it's gonna leave the tremendous fraud. 211 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: So you had a report going back to I don't know, 212 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: oh five or something with Carter and um and how 213 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: and Jim Acre and in it. They made a lot 214 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: of recommendations coming out of you know, the two thousand election, 215 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: and they said, under no circumstances should you have large 216 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: scale mail in balloting, because you won't be able to 217 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: protect against fraud. This is a Republican and a Democrat 218 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: warning us. Seventy percent of European countries do not have 219 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: any kind of mail in ballot, not even absolutely, because 220 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: in one way or another they've all experienced the kind 221 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 1: of thing that we experienced. The other basically just have 222 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: the old fashioned absentee balloting, which is very very different. 223 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: That's where you've got to get an after David. You 224 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: have to have to signature verified. You can only do 225 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: it if you're truly going to be away. So for example, 226 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: I mean I may have the numbers awfu a little bit. 227 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: In a place like Georgia, they had something like four 228 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: hundred thousand absentee ballots. This time they had something like 229 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: four millions. That may be Pennsylvania, but I think that 230 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: the difference was crazy. You can't police four million mail 231 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: in ballots because you don't you don't get to see 232 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: the person, you don't get to identify the person. And 233 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: if you don't have very very strict scrutiny of the signature, 234 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: you can put in all kinds of phony ballots. And unfortunately, 235 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: not even talking about this election, this has happened a 236 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: lot in prior elections in this country and in other countries. 237 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: So mail in balloting, which was done because of the 238 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: emergency pandemic, should be done away. It was. I don't 239 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: disagree with doing away with the mail in balloting absentee. 240 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: I think that's obviously necessary, especially for those who serve overseas, 241 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: so understand that completely in those who are away in 242 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: college as well. Now, when President Trump has said that 243 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: there was millions of fraudulent votes, is he saying that 244 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: these are the people who went in and saw someone 245 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: else's name and mailed it in. Or is he saying 246 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: that because of the states, uh, disregarding the Constitution, if 247 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: you will, and putting in their own mail in programs, 248 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: a lot of it unconstitutional, Uh, at least from the 249 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: rule of the Constitution per se. Is that what he's 250 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: saying or is he talking about people are fraudently voted 251 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: altogether and that caused millions of fraudulent votes. I would 252 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: say he's saying vote and you know it's complicated because 253 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: it's different in different states. So we really have six 254 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: or seven states that are involved. Pennsylvania, which is the case. Unfortunately, 255 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court didn't take I thought Justice Thomas wrote 256 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: a brilliant dissent. Uh. That was the state in which 257 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: basically what you had was the both the courts and 258 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: the governor and the Secretary of State changing the rules. 259 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: They're not allowed to the Constitution of the United States 260 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: says the state legislature makes the rules exclusively that section 261 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,359 Speaker 1: that's the article to section one cause to the Constitution, 262 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: they are only the state legislation and the superb port 263 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: has written on it and said that their power is 264 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: plenary and it belongs only to that so so, so 265 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: you have the change in rules. For example, you don't 266 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: need to observe the signatures that you can cure ballots, uh, 267 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: that you can you can send the vote in after 268 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: election day. Um, all those change of rules, we would 269 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: say we're unconstitutional. In addition to that, there's the allegation 270 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: and there's people that there's evidence of this after David's 271 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: and video tape and other things that showed that there 272 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: were ballots that were entered to make up for the 273 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: the difference, ballots that were made up after the election. 274 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: So I guess you would call that more in the 275 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: area of fraud. The problem was, we never got a hearing, 276 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: No court would ever allow a hearing, nor have we 277 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: been ever able to get any court to turn over 278 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: to require the Democrats in these cities where it happened 279 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: to turn over to us the actual piece of paper 280 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: so we can examine it and see if it's legitimate 281 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: or not. Nor have they allowed us to look at 282 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: the machines. So twenty two machines were examined in Ansom County, Michigan. 283 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: They were found to have all kinds of problems. So 284 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: that's what he's basing it up. Now, Why is it 285 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: that the Supreme Court didn't do anything about it. Where's 286 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: on Amy Coney, Barrett, where is Brett Kavanaugh? Where's all 287 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: these individuals who sit on the Supreme Court who are 288 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: supposed to be about justice and fairness? And uh, just 289 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: saying it, telling him like it is, what what happened 290 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: to those Supreme Court justices in these various instances? I mean, 291 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: the most recent decision just makes no sense. I mean, 292 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: the recent decision would have nothing to do with this election. 293 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 1: It would basically answer the question, which we need to know, 294 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: who sets the rules? If you read the constitution, it 295 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: says the state legislature sets the rules. If you look 296 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: at what Pennsylvania did, the governor, the Secretary of State Democrats, 297 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: and the superin court Democrat change the rules, which constitutionally 298 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: they don't have the power to do. Supreme Court didn't 299 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: answer that question. So now it leaves you, as Justice 300 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: Thomas and Alito, of course it's said, it leaves you 301 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: with no answer, I mean, whatever your politics, with an answer. 302 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: And that's what's so disturbing about this, because we've got 303 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: more elections coming up, and just what next year was. 304 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: So with this being the case, are we supposed to continue, 305 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: where bureaucrats in some cases decide what the law is 306 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: not based on the constitution, like what what can people 307 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: do to prevent this from happening again? Where there's a 308 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: lot of ballot harvesting going on in places like Georgia, 309 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: et cetera, where people are just taking their ballots, giving 310 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: them to someone else and they put them in somewhere, 311 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: so we don't know if fraud has taken place in 312 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: between them giving a ballot and they're going to whatever court, 313 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: house or election bureau, you know. And and here's here's 314 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: the here's the kind of catch two with that. A 315 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 1: lot of cases actually were brought by the Republican National 316 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: Committee before the election, raising a lot of these issues, 317 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: and the court said it's premature, you gotta wait until 318 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: the election. And then when it was raised after the election, 319 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: the court said there was no standing. So basically the 320 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: message from the federal court is we don't want to 321 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: have anything to do with this, But then who decides 322 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: the constitutionality of it? I mean, it's it's very very frustrating. 323 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: And uh here, I mean here, here are the practical 324 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: things that can be done in the states where we 325 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: have Republican and legislatures. They should pass laws now changing 326 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: the rules to fit the problems we had in this election. 327 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,479 Speaker 1: They should do away with general mail in voting. They 328 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: should continue with absentee voting, but under very strict rules 329 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: like we used to have in the past. And the 330 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: state legislation should pass these laws. In in uh democratic states, 331 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: I guess the governors will veto them. In Republican states, 332 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: they should get through and then we can go to 333 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: court and we can say that the rules are supposed 334 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: to be set by the legislature and the governors or 335 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: the or the step secretaries. They have tried to take 336 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: that power away and try to and try to go 337 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: through those cases. You know, as soon as they do 338 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: it before elections. It's really more pertinent, however, to the 339 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: presidential election, because that's where the state legislature has the 340 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: sole power to set the rules. And this should now 341 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: get straightened out. Every legislature should realize by keeping up 342 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: with this this massive four million mail in ballots, we're 343 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: just leaving it open to anybody to cheat either side. 344 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: It just makes no sense. Every country, seven out of 345 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: ten countries have done away with it. The other the 346 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: other just have absentee ballotings now, but when we come back, 347 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: I want to discuss how Donald Trump changed the Republican 348 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: Party in the future. The GOP will be back in 349 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: a second. Now switching gears, Mr Mayor, Is the GOP 350 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: now the Party of Trump? Sure? Absolutely. I mean when 351 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: you look at when you expend the Party of Trump 352 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: for the last five four or five years, right, I mean, 353 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: he's never been below favorable rating by Republicans. Sometimes in 354 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: I know, there's that very vocal group. You know that 355 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: the Lincoln Project represented the vocal group of Republican anti Trumpers. 356 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: But I mean when you look at the polls, the 357 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: polling that makes up you know, less than of the 358 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: of the Republican Party. I mean, he always had a 359 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: much stronger hold on the Republican Party then for example 360 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: Hilary of Biden. Their numbers as Democrats are not nearly 361 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: as strong as his. So he has sinitely the leader 362 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: of the party. I mean just about more than half 363 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: of the members of the party. And say if he 364 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: decided to leave, they go with him. Yeah. I saw 365 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: that recently, and that that that's what bringing me to 366 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: this question, because you know, like you mentioned a Lincoln 367 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: Project for example, Trump has been a consistent conservative for 368 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: the most part in terms of policy. I don't think 369 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: anybody can question that. Um. The rhetoric, though, is another 370 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: consideration for a lot of people, and we know that 371 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: we've seen that. I think back to uh that last 372 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: not even a last debate, two debates ago. I guess 373 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: that was with Chris Wallace when he asked if he 374 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: was going to denounce white supremacy and the Proud Boys, 375 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: and he said, of course I will. That's what he said. 376 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: And you said, in a number of times, he's announced 377 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: white supremacy a number of times, and that's fine, that's great. 378 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: But then he said, stand down, but stand by. So 379 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: there's things that have come up where people are kind 380 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: of scratch their head and they're they're saying, you know, 381 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: within Republican circles, hey, if it was somebody on the 382 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: other side, we will be going after them and condemning them. 383 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 1: So as President Trump learned some lessons from those experiences 384 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: that he had, well, I don't know, you know, one 385 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: of the problems in analyzing President Trump is the unbelievable 386 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: scrutiny that they put on his words. And I I've 387 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: once put together a list of all of the times 388 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: that he condemned white racism, white supremacy, something about almost 389 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: a hundred times. And maybe he doesn't use the same 390 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: words all the time, So to you, there's the words differently. 391 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know how you solve 392 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: the problem. I mean, you can't just say the thing 393 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: the same way all the time. Here's what I can 394 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: tell you. I've known the man for thirty years and 395 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: the idea that he's a racist is ridiculous. I mean, 396 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: it's not not even close to He's about as not 397 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: a racist as anybody I know. He's He's he is 398 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: clearly a guy who judges people as people. Even in 399 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: his personal life. He's got friends of you know, the 400 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: joke used to be among his golf buddies. Trump has 401 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: no caller problems. The only caller he really prefers is green. 402 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: When he was a business, if you were a black 403 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: guy or a Chinese guy, or a white guy or 404 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: a woman, or you can make money, He's gonna be 405 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: a partner if you're screw up, no matter who you were. 406 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: He wasn't too happy with it, that's all. But he's 407 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: the guy, the guy, So sometimes sometimes appartularly the beginning. 408 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: He would have trouble with the new language, you know, 409 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: the woke language. We have words. He was supposed to 410 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: say them certain ways, and we don't say him exactly 411 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: the right way. We get accused of being a homophobe 412 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: or something else, or something else or something else. I 413 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: don't think he he understood that language. It kind of 414 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: got used to it after a while. But but it 415 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: was really the desire to try to rip him apart. 416 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: If you look at if you look at Biden, the 417 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: things that Biden has said, you can make a much 418 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: better case that bides the racist well. And we we 419 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: we can definitely go into that because I don't disagree. 420 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: Now my question to you, Mr Mayor, do you condemn 421 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: all forms of white supremacy and hate no matter where 422 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: it exists? Of course, I just condemn all forms of racism. 423 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: I consider that racist, and that's what President Trump should do. 424 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: That's right there. I can damn all forms and that 425 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: will be it. Who cares about what these the phil 426 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: still consider themselves the most woke are the ones who 427 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: are truly asleep. These are these are walking zombies in 428 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: a lot of cases, this this woke trash it's it's 429 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: it's it's democratic talking points being pushed left and right, 430 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: and what you realized in from a lot of these Democrats, 431 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: especially these white liberals, they're sometimes the most racist people 432 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: you can find. So I'm not confused about that at all. 433 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure when we're talking about 434 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: President Trump and and I've been a lot of his 435 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: policies have been so positively impactful for me and my family, 436 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: and I think, hey, from a policy standpoint, has been 437 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: the most impactful, especially for African Americans. From a policy standpoint, 438 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: the rhetoric doesn't always add up, but the policy does, 439 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: so I'd rather go with policy over rhetoric. In your 440 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: point on Joe Biden was absolutely absolutely spot on. I mean, 441 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: this guy, if you don't vote for me, then you 442 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: ain't black, and a number of other comments that he's 443 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: made over the core to this what forty fifty years 444 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: in office, it paints a very bleak picture and one 445 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: that if Democrats, if you take the democratic label off 446 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: of them and made him a Republican, they would be 447 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: calling him a racist all day long. So I'm not 448 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: confused about that. No, I don't, and I don't know. 449 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: I'm not please, I'm not calling him a racers. I 450 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: don't I don't like doing I don't calling anybody that. 451 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, if you wanted to take his 452 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: words and play with them, there's a lot more there 453 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: than there is probably for almost anybody else. You know, 454 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: all through the years he's made comments. But I mean, Joe, 455 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what's wrong with Joe now, but Joe 456 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: has never been the clearest guy, honestly, the brightest guy. 457 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: So I attributed to not the way he feels. But 458 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: he makes mistakes, big ones. Yeah, no question about that. 459 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: And now he's been in office for a little over 460 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: a month. What do you make of his presidency so far? 461 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: Give him a letter grade idea? I mean it's been 462 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: a I don't even think it's it's been a presidency 463 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: by executive order. I mean he signed like fifty or 464 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: more executive orders. Most of those things are supposed to 465 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: be submitted to Congress so we can debate them, and 466 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: the left wing media lets them get away with it. 467 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: It's almost acting like, you know, we got one. We 468 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: only have one branch of government him and he just 469 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: signs these things all of a sudden. Eleven thousand jobs 470 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: are gone and nobody can get to discuss the talk 471 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: about it. Then, Uh, the Paris Climate Accords, no discussion 472 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: of whether China and India are gonna have to live 473 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: by those standards. So we just gave him a trillion 474 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: dollar break, no discussion of it. I thought we were 475 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: a democracy. And the thing that amazes me the most 476 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: Chatti is that that the press doesn't pick these things up. 477 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: If Trump had come into off signed fifty executive orders 478 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: doing the same thing, but in the other direction, they 479 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: would have they would have impeached him, right then, right, 480 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: they say, get the time of a dictator. You just 481 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: became a dictator. Yeah, absolutely, no question about that. What 482 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: do you think about his planning to legalize eleven million people? 483 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: Are these individuals that Democrats hope to make voters that 484 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: they can continue to win every election without any doubt? 485 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: I think I think the I think it is quite clear, 486 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: even clearer than it ever has been for me, that 487 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: this whole immigration policy of the Democrats is purely a 488 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: political policy. I don't think it has anything to do 489 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: with the good of the country. It has to do 490 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: with how can we maintain control, how can we get 491 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: more votes, how can we make more people dependent so 492 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: they have to vote for us. Why would you take 493 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: eleven thousand, eleven million people, even even the ones that 494 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: are productive and doing a good job, but I mean 495 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: a lot of them are, a lot aren't. But the 496 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: minute you do that, you're gonna encourage another eleven million 497 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: people of come plus plus. We're telling people, if you 498 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: come here illegally, will pay your health insurance. I mean, 499 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: the people are aligning up the thousands in Nicaragua, in 500 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: Central America, We're gonna pay come to America, will pay 501 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: your health insurance. I mean, I don't get it. It 502 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: has to be a political strategy. I don't know how 503 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: we pay for it. We've got a tremendous debt. Health 504 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: insurance is normously expensive, and we're gonna pay for people 505 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: that just come come here illegally. They just walk in 506 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: and say, give me my health health program. I don't 507 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: understand how dash anything other than a crash political move 508 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: to add up the Democrat vote as much as possible. 509 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: And I'm fully supportive of Dreamers being taken care of, 510 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: which is what you know, people that come in no 511 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: fault of their own, which is what President Trump tried 512 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: to do. But Democrats wanted to use it as a 513 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: wedge issue for the election, so they never made a 514 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: deal on it. Um, do you believe that number is 515 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: truly eleven million? Or is it much more than that? 516 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: Because that eleven million number has been consistent for what 517 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: five eight years? Is something beyond that? It has been 518 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: a long time they've been saying eleven million. I you know, Look, 519 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: how do I know? And how do they know? Right? 520 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 1: Let me, I'll give you one thing about the election. 521 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: Think about this in Arizona, which Biden on paper theoretically 522 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,479 Speaker 1: won by eleven eleven thousand votes, which is nothing right, 523 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: eleven thousand votes. They do not account for any illegal 524 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: immigrant voting. Now, Arizona has a large illegal population. Given 525 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: where it is, right, we know that. You mean, none 526 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: of them voted, not a single one, and they never 527 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: bought them to check. Part of the lawsuit there was 528 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: to get them to check. So there were estimates done, 529 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: but they're just estimates. Now, this is not evidence. These 530 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: are estimates that there were thirty or forty thousand that voted, 531 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: but they never went back and checked. So, I mean, 532 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: that's the danger that you that you create. You have 533 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: illegal people here, some of them do vote and it 534 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: kind of cancels out the vote of people who were citizens, 535 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: and that's not fair. Mm hmm. Did this I think 536 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: we regularized or sect as early nineties something like four 537 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: or five million people and the number then was that 538 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: they were six million the illegals. Well, we did that 539 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: and then it doubled to twelve min So even if 540 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: it is twelve million, if we do it again in 541 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: ten years a little bit twenty minute, how do we 542 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,239 Speaker 1: how do we take care of the people that here? 543 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: If we do that, Yeah, especially during the pandemic, it 544 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: didn't make sense for for the country to be sending 545 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: billions and dollars to other countries when we got poor 546 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: people here. That we need to take care of our 547 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: middle class folks who may become poor because of states 548 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: like California and New York. Uh that I have shut 549 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: down business and caused them to go into bankruptcy. You know, 550 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: we'll forgive your student loans. Then basically we're just people 551 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: take for all of your college education to everybody in 552 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: the country. So what should the gop P do to 553 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: to bring people back into the party, To bring people 554 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: back into the Republican Party, People like New Gingwich advocated 555 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: during the Georgia special runoffs, uh that Mitch McConnell should 556 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: have sent into two thousand dollar checks. Of course he didn't, 557 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: and people like nude and actually President Trump had said 558 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: that's part of the reason why we lost Georgia. Do 559 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: you agree with that assessment? And what can we do 560 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,959 Speaker 1: to bring people back into the vote. Yeah, I think. 561 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about dude, it's I know, it's 562 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: a formula that everyone talks about and but it was. 563 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: But he did it brilliantly in taking over the Congress, 564 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: the House when when we didn't have it for a 565 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: couple of generations. That is, we we told the people 566 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: the Contract with America. We told the people what are big, big, 567 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: sprawling party stands for. And when Nute got into office, 568 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: he tried to do it. He didn't do all of it, 569 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: but he tried to do all of it. Same thing 570 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. He told the people what he was 571 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: gonna do. He basically almost did all except the points 572 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: they blocked, and had he been re elected, he would 573 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: have done the rest of it. I think that's I 574 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: think that's the best way to run for office. We 575 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: should sit out as a party with the President the 576 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: president's died, because he's the leader, and we should set 577 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: out a group of principles once we think of the 578 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: most important and say this is what we're gonna do 579 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: for the country. If you like it, come and join us. 580 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: Let's take over the House and Senate. Obviously, things like 581 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: let's get control of immigration, let's have control of our borders. 582 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: Let's let's make certain that we get taxes down to 583 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: the lowest possible number, not the highest possible number. And 584 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: there are a lot of differences between us. I think 585 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna end up with a very big 586 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: difference over Iran in the Iran Agreement. But we could 587 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: set out eight or ten principles like that around which 588 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: people can see that our party is the party they 589 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: agree with. I think that would be the best thing 590 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: that we could do over the next year or so. 591 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: We don't have to do it exactly the way New 592 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: did it. Issues have changed, but that was a very 593 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: useful approach for for New and in a way it 594 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: was a very useful approach for Trump in fifteen and sixteen, 595 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: where he laid out what he was going to do 596 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: under the under the symbol of make America great Again, 597 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: America first write out what he was gonna do. He 598 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: came into office, he tried to do it, and he 599 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 1: did most of them. Okay. And in speaking of your 600 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: point at immigration, you just mentioned people like and Coulter 601 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 1: has said part of the reason that Trump, she believed 602 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: Trump lost is because he didn't finish out the wall 603 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: like uh, he said that he would. Is that a 604 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: part of the two term approach or should he have 605 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: gotten it done in one term. I don't think anybody 606 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: held against him the fact that he They saw the 607 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: opposition that he had to it. Ronal Ray I worked 608 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: for Ronald Reagan, and he taught me this, nobody's gonna 609 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: get angry at you if you promise something and you 610 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: try your hardest to do it and they stop you, 611 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: as long as you keep adding and you don't give up. 612 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: So he tried everything he good to get that wall done, 613 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: including that whole deal over dreamers, and the whole idea 614 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: was you give me the wall, I'll give you what 615 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: you want. I'll let you, I'll let you take care 616 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: of the people that are here in a generous way 617 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: as long as I can make sure a lot of 618 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: new people don't come in and bankrupt us or create 619 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: problems for us. I mean that. I mean, plus, you 620 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: didn't get a lot of the wall done. And I 621 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: have no doubt if you gave him four more years 622 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: he would get it done. But you can never get 623 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: done all the things you want to do. I mean, 624 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: I became mayor on a set of principles that I 625 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: want to accomplish. In some areas I accomplished much more 626 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 1: than I I thought i'd ever do. In some areas 627 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't able to do it. I couldn't get to support. 628 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: But are you honest with people? This is what I'm 629 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: gonna do. Try to do it, and I think Ronald 630 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: Reagan used to say, if you can get a seven, 631 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: you're very, very successful. That's interesting. Let's pause for a 632 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: quick break now, but when we come back, want to 633 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: ask you about your time as mayor, how the crime 634 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: replummeted during your tenure, and your thoughts on stopping for 635 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: as back in a moment. It turned out a law 636 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: and order, an issue that you're intimately familiar with as 637 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: as an attorney and of course as the mayor who 638 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: cleaned up the streets to New York. Last year, murder 639 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 1: rates skyrocketed across the country. In fact, according to the FBI, 640 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: that was twenty nine percent increase in murders nationwide over 641 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: the first nine months compared to the same period in 642 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. And according to a study from the National 643 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: Commission of COVID nineteen in Criminal Justice, homicide rates jumped 644 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: by thirty from twenty nineteen, and some of America's major 645 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: cities the increase was much higher. Of course, you know 646 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: a lot about what what has happened in New York. 647 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: What do you think caused this surge? Was it COVID, 648 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: Was police budgets decreased? It should be just the op 649 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: when we've had when we've had like um, major catastrophes 650 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: and things, crime goes down. People are too the people 651 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: are too consumed with it or crime crimes should have 652 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: gone down. In fact, other crimes did go down. But 653 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: the increase in violence I think has to do with 654 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: the changes that we made in the laws and the 655 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: approach that we took. I know my state and city 656 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: the best, right because I reduced crime in New York 657 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: more than any other mayor ever. So it's something I 658 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: know about. Basically, we have a increase in homicide, increase 659 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: in shootings. We never have had anything like that before. 660 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: That's a record. And the reason is the governor, Governor 661 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: Cuomo passed and no bail law. So we probably had 662 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: eight nine thousand more criminals on the street than we 663 00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: should and the mayor used COVID as an excuse to 664 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: empty our prisons. So we got probably twenty criminals on 665 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: the street that shouldn't be there, and they're going around, 666 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: they're making our subways. Subway ridership is down sev and 667 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,720 Speaker 1: subway crime violent crime is up like thirty or forty 668 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: percent per capita. That's ridiculous. But uh, and then and 669 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: then you have in a lot of these cities, you 670 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 1: have sorrow selected district attorneys. Don't put anybody in jail. 671 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: Let him out of jail. You look at look at Chicago. 672 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: Every weekend you get you get fatality numbers like we're 673 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: in a war. You get ten people, that, fifteen people that, 674 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: twenty people there. And you got a district attorney there 675 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 1: who's you know, left of left of left. He's a 676 00:41:54,440 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: pro criminal rights district attorney. So who's representing the people. 677 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: This is a political problem. It's a problem that comes 678 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 1: out of political policies of the Democrat Party that has 679 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: become enormously accommodating criminals, criminals rights, not putting anybody in 680 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: jail anymore, letting him out of jail very soon. And 681 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: then a police to police departments that are completely demoralized, 682 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 1: that fielded they can't take action because whatever they do 683 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: is going to be misunderstood and used against them. Now, 684 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: you were incredibly successful as mayor of New York you, 685 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: Lord Crown, You introduced crime stat um. You also continued 686 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,720 Speaker 1: enhancement of police techniques, one of them being stopping frisk. 687 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: And Michael Bloomberg, who succeeded you as mayor, he really 688 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: pushed forth with stopping frisk, and a lot of folks 689 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: have had issues with that, and I'm talking specifically about 690 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: Michael Bloomberg. They had issues when you did it as well. 691 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: But Fox News Business Hols Charles Paine said, Um, just 692 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: last year, he said, Um, this is an example of 693 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: Michael Bloomberg stopping first policy. He thinks that it's a 694 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: particular displaying disdain for African Americans and he doesn't want 695 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: to see his child be stopped by the police for 696 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,399 Speaker 1: no reason at all, quote unquote, so to speak. So 697 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,759 Speaker 1: quotunately for you, do you steal supported stopping frisk or No? 698 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: I do, But I mean I I support it the 699 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: way I did it, not the way he did it. 700 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: The differences I started it. I started it with with 701 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: the Bill Bratton. It was very successful in reducing murder. 702 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: We reduced murder. It's not the only thing we did, 703 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: but we reduced murder by sixties. But we only UH 704 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,359 Speaker 1: the highest number I ever had in any given year 705 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: was under a hundred thousands. What happened is that Mike 706 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: used it way too much. They were up to six 707 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: hundred thousand. So think about that. I mean, six thousand 708 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,760 Speaker 1: people stopped in frisk. You're gonna make a lot more mistakes, 709 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: maybe the differences, and I you know, I think Mike 710 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: did basically a good job as mayor. I don't criticize 711 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: him a lot, but I do think they let it 712 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: get out of control. Stopping frisk is an application of 713 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,240 Speaker 1: the Terry case. You have to be very very strict 714 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: about having reasonable suspicion. You have to record it, you 715 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,840 Speaker 1: have to write it down, and you've got to discipline it. 716 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: And we did that. And I'll tell you our policy 717 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: was reviewed by UH Janet Reno and and uh get 718 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,760 Speaker 1: any attorney general holder, and they found that it was constitutional. 719 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,800 Speaker 1: Over the last year I was in office, because that 720 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: Justice Farmer wanted to bring a case against us, and 721 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: I asked to see them, and I spent two hours 722 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: and I showed them how we did it, and they 723 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,839 Speaker 1: agreed and didn't bring the case because we had very, 724 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 1: very detailed records of legitimate reasonable suspicion. If you do 725 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: it with six thousand people, you're gonna make a lot 726 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 1: of mistakes. And that was the problem. A lot of 727 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: people were stopped and they didn't have a gun, they 728 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: didn't have drugs. I think they were down to something 729 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: like ten or five percent actually had something that's that 730 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: gets stopped without anything. So in essence, by overdoing it, 731 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 1: they really did a lot of harm to a good practice. 732 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 1: And the New York Times reported that between two thousand 733 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: and four and between twelve point four four point four 734 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: three million people were stopped about those were black and 735 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: Hispanic people, and as you mentioned, they were stopped in 736 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: release with no officer funding anything. So I get your point. 737 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,399 Speaker 1: I love to jump into that conversation with you again 738 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,960 Speaker 1: in the future. 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