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Speaker 1: to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live here

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Speaker 1: we'll try to get to your comments and your questions. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: we're in the middle of a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: dry period here. The o ks don't start until Monday,

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Speaker 1: and the rookie Minicamp had just concluded over the course

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Speaker 1: of last week, and so right now you just have

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Speaker 1: guys going through the next phase of the off season program,

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Speaker 1: and uh, that basically means they're going out there doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of walk through stuff on the field. It's limited,

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Speaker 1: but for a lot of these new guys and especially

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Speaker 1: the new faces trying to get familiar with the new

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Speaker 1: coaching staff, it's it's valuable to be here. It is,

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Speaker 1: and you know, they had the Giants Foundation golf tournament

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Speaker 1: yesterday where a lot of the coaches and players were

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Speaker 1: out there. I gotta talk. Got to talk to a

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Speaker 1: couple of the coaches, and I asked them, how's it going.

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Speaker 1: I was just curious. They're all new, so you know

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Speaker 1: that never never hurts to ask him how's it going.

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Speaker 1: And um, it was Louis Tomorrow or a lou uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: from the secondary the secondary and then James Betcher and

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Speaker 1: and that they they said to me, it's going fine

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Speaker 1: if we could just play some football. They're just they're taught,

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Speaker 1: you know, just going out in the field and installing

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Speaker 1: and going through I don't want to say that take

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Speaker 1: this the wrong way, going through the motions, because they

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Speaker 1: really is all just going through motions. There's no contact

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Speaker 1: and no nothing literally. And then he said that the

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Speaker 1: offense has it a little bit better because they can

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Speaker 1: kind of go through the motions a little bit better

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Speaker 1: as what they do. You know, their their their offense

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Speaker 1: a contact. It's all about that kind and so you

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Speaker 1: can't have that on the defensive side. So they said

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Speaker 1: It's just would be nice once we get into into

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Speaker 1: play some football. But I think, yeah, you're right, learning

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Speaker 1: the roster, learning the depth of the roster and seeing

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Speaker 1: guys come and go. I mean, we had six guys

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Speaker 1: So there's some some a little bit of change here

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Speaker 1: and there. Um. It was interesting that Dave Gentleman was

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Speaker 1: about how they built the draft and what they did

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Speaker 1: free agency. So they kind of went through that that

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Speaker 1: they just complimented it with it. So yeah, at this

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Speaker 1: But the fact is, once you get into the o

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Speaker 1: June is the minicampemp get that. That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And I think that once they, you know, clap the

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Speaker 1: you later. You got that five weeks that everybody holds

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Speaker 1: We know he can do it. And as as Schmilk

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Speaker 1: a preseason game to watch him do a kickoff? Right? No, so, um,

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Speaker 1: been nothing exciting about it at all. It's a wide

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Speaker 1: giants chat on Twitter. Before we get to the calls,

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Speaker 1: we had a question we were kind of mulling earlier today.

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Speaker 1: and it's very important that you listen to the verbage

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Speaker 1: on this question. It's which of the Giants units, defense, offensive,

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Speaker 1: absolutely horrendous. Okay, um scoring, where was it? Fourteen points

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Speaker 1: but the question is intriguing. I'm just saying what it is.

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Speaker 1: really deep. Um exciting to me. I think would would

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Speaker 1: fascinating conversation. So let me try. I wanted to first.

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Speaker 1: you're there's more traffic kind of, it's more traffic in there. Yes, um,

429
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Speaker 1: you you gotta have that flat out speed at the

430
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Speaker 1: at the outside position. And you know, listen, I think

431
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: that that William Gay is a guy that you could

432
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Speaker 1: you can trust if you had to put him out there.

433
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: But I see conceivably they want Eli Apple to be

434
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: that guy that second corner. But if something does happen,

435
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: I don't see why that that William Gay couldn't be

436
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 1: that guy. Right. Well, performance in the last two years,

437
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: only ten games, So that's why I was asking the question. Yeah,

438
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 1: I think you know, to be honest with you, right now,

439
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: I got Donte Dion backing up Gay in the slot. Now,

440
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: of course he's gonna have to contribute on special teams,

441
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: and I know Grant Haley, the Penn State undrafted rookie

442
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 1: free agent, is going to try to challenge him. There's

443
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: only room for one five nine guy though, on the roster,

444
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: So it's either gonna be Dion or it's gonna be Haley.

445
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: I don't see both of them making the fifty three. Well,

446
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: that was Darryl Green like five nine, and he was

447
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: one of the dominant Different games history, different games, I'm

448
00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: not so different games. Yeah, different game, much different game. Anyway,

449
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: my last question, and I can take this off the air,

450
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: is who do you think will emerge as the team leaders?

451
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: And I mean that in the sense that the Giants.

452
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: It's well documented the head issues in the locker room,

453
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: and you know, if you're going to have a good

454
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: championship team, you need to have those leaders emerge. And

455
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm just curious again who you think on this team,

456
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: if it's a guy that they brought in or somebody

457
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: on the roster now will actually be you know, emerge

458
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: as a team leader. And thanks, guys, I'll listen to

459
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: your answers. Okay, well take that first. Yeah, sure, I

460
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: taught our start on defense. Obviously, Landon Collins is your

461
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: guy on defense. Okay, I think he's your legitimate leader. Yeah, yeah, no,

462
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: I have to I'm gonna go a couple. Oh I

463
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: want to throw a defensive guy on. Okay, And then

464
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: I also think that that alec Ogletree will be that

465
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Speaker 1: guy that comes in and and and take that leadership position. Um,

466
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: don't don't be surprised if you know Kareem Martin is

467
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: a guy that he's know, he's not a he's not

468
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl player, but he's a consistent guy. Um.

469
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people will look up

470
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: to him too when it comes to leadership roles. And

471
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: obviously you know you got snacks in there too. So okay,

472
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: on offense, did you have a guy, Well, obviously Eli

473
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Speaker 1: is gonna be your guys, But for the guys that

474
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Speaker 1: you brought in, it's gonna be Nate Solder. Yeah, very quiet,

475
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: but I very well respected. Came from the Patriots for

476
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. People were going to to listen to him, okay, um,

477
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Speaker 1: And I think that he's a guy that Now, don't

478
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Speaker 1: be surprised about se Kwon Barkley. Now, I know he's

479
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: a rookie, okay, but I think that he has tremendous

480
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: leadership skills from the character that he is. And it

481
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: may not take take shape right away, but I think

482
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Speaker 1: as his play gets bet it goes, people will start

483
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: to say, my god. Okay, yeah, okay, So I think

484
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: you know those are some of the guys that obviously

485
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: have odell Um. But but that to me, on offense,

486
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Speaker 1: it's it's going to be, in my opinion, it will

487
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: be Nate Soldier and it would be Eli Manning. Yes,

488
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: soldiers a man A few words, but I really get

489
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: the impression that when he does speak, people will listen

490
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: to him and he's not gonna have to repeat himself twice.

491
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: I I sensed that as well. By the way, uh

492
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 1: he mentioned King, who's no longer on the Raiders, he's

493
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: with the Broncos. Now, what is his stat line going

494
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: to be now that he's kicking in Denver? Lots of

495
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Speaker 1: big time numbers. Man, he'll probably snap everything. That's where

496
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: the record for distance and you know, you known the man.

497
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Speaker 1: And that's where they got. Riley Dixon came here because

498
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: they were able to sign um Marquette King from the

499
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Speaker 1: Raiders at free agent and then they got they traded

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Speaker 1: Riley Dixon here. Yeah, exactly, all right, we go to

501
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Speaker 1: line three. Doug from Rochester, you're next time Big Blue

502
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Speaker 1: kickoff Live. Hello, what's up? John? What's up Jeff? What's

503
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: going on? Very good, Doug? Are you ago that the

504
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: go listen to you? They don't. They don't we get

505
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Speaker 1: a poll that happens. Good as you. That's great, And

506
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Speaker 1: I just you know, let me ask you a question, Doug.

507
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: If you were a punter and I said something to you,

508
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't you at least trying to maybe make sense of

509
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: it and listen to it a little bit, or would

510
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: you just turn your ear like the rest of them do? No,

511
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: of course you're coming from you. Yeah, I'll full pitcher.

512
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Speaker 1: Maybe you should just sell throw your stat down in

513
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Speaker 1: front of a partners to read it, you know, from you.

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Speaker 1: I would like to remember, Paul, Paul, you're talking about

515
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Speaker 1: the Eagle game glad last year. I don't know that

516
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: this is the game he shank one guest. He put

517
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: the Eagles at the sity yard line. Who comes to

518
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 1: partner kicks before yard daughter and most of he's ever

519
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: kicking game. Remember that, Paul, I remember it very well. Yes,

520
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Speaker 1: I sure do. Oh my god, my daughter, I think

521
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: it was a tamper. Yeah. Those those back to back

522
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: last second field goal losses. In my mind, those two

523
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: losses flushed the season for the Giants. They never recovered

524
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: grad shape. Two parts of perfect field. So that's yeah,

525
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: part you need to need some part. There are a

526
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: couple of questions. I hear a lot of Giants fans

527
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: um talking about the Giants six, ten, seven and nine.

528
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: Of course that's a that's a better seat than three

529
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: and thirteen. But I think that would be an insult

530
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: to get them and sum the Giants would take the

531
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: chi because I think they got bigger and better plans

532
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: than that. Well, you know what John Morris said, he

533
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: expects this team to be good this year, and and

534
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: that's the mandate. So they're gonna do everything they can

535
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: to turn this around as dramatically as they possibly can

536
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: within one off season. It's hard to do. Let's not

537
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: kid ourselves. What their mission is is almost like you know,

538
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: Mr Phelps, mission impossible. It's a tough, tough task, but

539
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it can't be done well. Um call

540
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: Um Children was office credit for the for the Vikings,

541
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: and I started to watch the Bakers last year. Knew

542
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: the ball, domand field take off seven minutes off the

543
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: clock and didn't kick no field goal. They scored testiles.

544
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: It was that's a that's where he brings the team.

545
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: I think the office and I believe the Giants has

546
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: this is the North this year. I had more powers

547
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: than the Vikings that had last year. So he's coming

548
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: to a team with full of tower and he's a

549
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: good possession coach to take time off the cross, so

550
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: I teach the defense off the field. I mean that's

551
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: how I'm a Sottle guy so far, because they there

552
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: was a possession team. You know, they knew they took

553
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: six settlements off the Crocker, the dude at school. That's

554
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: the idea. That's the idea I think I kind of

555
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: bring to the giants. I mean, he's got a talent

556
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: to do it. He even said he's got for the

557
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: talent to do it, so I guess hear me. I

558
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: think it's out. At least that would be awesome, dog.

559
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: I think everybody would sign up for that right now.

560
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call. Let me throw appreciate it. Let

561
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: me throw one thing in here, Jeff. And we did

562
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: see this happen also on a number of occasions last year.

563
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: And I know you're fond of Aldric Grossos, and I

564
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: think he's got a world of talent as well. Missed opportunities,

565
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, missing field goals. Uh, this team does not

566
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: have any margin for error, and when you come away

567
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: empty like that, it really deflates the club on all

568
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: sides of the field. It's it's just not a good thing.

569
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to make sure they take advantage of

570
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: every scoring opportunity to get absolutely and you know, for Aldre.

571
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: He's gotta just he's gotta just focus in and just

572
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, stop playing the mental gymnastics. He's got the

573
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: leg strength, He's got to go out there and and

574
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: perfect his his his mental part of the game. And

575
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: that's usually what it always is with kickers and punters.

576
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: It's all mental. Um. Most of them at this level

577
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: have shown you that they can kick the football where

578
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: you know as far you want them to um. You know,

579
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: really a field goal kicker can make a fifty five

580
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: yard or if you need them, and that's about the

581
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: furthest year really gonna have to have something fifty five

582
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: nowadays is like a fifty yard or it used to

583
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: be a sixty yard or is like a fifty five

584
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: yard or used to be you know what I'm saying.

585
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: It's like they can make they can make these kicks now,

586
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: but you can't miss the ones from forty and forty

587
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 1: two in because those are chip shots nowadays. That that's

588
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: where it comes down here. So I'm looking for him

589
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: to improve his mental capacity and and moving forward and

590
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: have a good season. But the fact is it it

591
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: does deflate you. And you go down there and you

592
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: have a nice drive, you put together something even maybe

593
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: on the opening drive of the game, and come out

594
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: of there with no points. That kind of puts you

595
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: in a little bit of a bad mood, you know,

596
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, And and in years past, two years ago,

597
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: you could have had that happen, and your defense could

598
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: have bailed you out because they were that good. Last

599
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: year they weren't. The team would just take the ball

600
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: and move down the field and score. And then now

601
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: you're down seven nothing opposed to, you know whatever, being

602
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: up and being up three nothing. Yeah, So big dash

603
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: O seven oh eight eight sends us a tweet, says,

604
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm expecting hundred yards from scrimmage and double digit touchdowns

605
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: for Barkley. Anything more than that is great. Anything more

606
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: than that is great. I kind of thought those numbers

607
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: were pretty great. I would say anything more than that

608
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: as great as it is true. But that's a big number,

609
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: the double digit tds Okay, So I agree with him.

610
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: Around that's right around there, a little less than what

611
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: we thought. That's a good that's a real good number,

612
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: all right. We also have here. Ben Gruin says, this

613
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: time last year, everyone in their mom thought Philly was

614
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: battling Washington for third place in the division. They won

615
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with half a dozen backups. No one

616
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: knows outside of the Patriots, who's going to be a

617
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: top team? Two, unpredictable, no question. Isn't that what the

618
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: NFL likes. That is exactly what they like. That's exactly

619
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Speaker 1: what you're gonna get. I love this tag right here.

620
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: This name another guy, it's shimmering in here. We heard

621
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Speaker 1: from him yesterday on the show. Uh, well they did

622
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: add Siq Barkley, who literally addresses running back, wide receiver,

623
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: and offensive line positions. Guy wasn't just a single draft pick,

624
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: he was three. He says. The Giants were ranked number

625
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: one by the NFL for the best offseason moves. Well,

626
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: the off season is not over yet, but to this point,

627
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: partial ranking is pretty good. Well listen, they they're they're

628
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: number one to this point. Hopefully they don't do anything

629
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: that that that decreases that rating going forward from here. Right. Um,

630
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, and we didn't talk. Paul and I were

631
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: trying to get some topics for the show today and

632
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: one of them came up with the right tackle. So

633
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 1: maybe they can do something to keep that number one

634
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: ranking with the right tackle position. Who knows, no way

635
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: to tell what's not a lot of depth at that

636
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: right tackle position right now. A J. Washall says Giants

637
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: offense better with oh b J on the field than

638
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: they were without him. That's a fact question. I still

639
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Speaker 1: want to see him on the field again and to

640
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: know that he's the same guy. He looks like the

641
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: same guy off the field. But Jeff, until someone comes

642
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: back from a significant injury like that and does it

643
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: in the game, you don't know. Well, there's the one

644
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: guy that can do it. It's him, and I think

645
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: that one thing that everybody would like to see is

646
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: him on the field. Whether that's going to happen sooner

647
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: than later, who knows. Um, it's something that certainly we

648
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: will be talking about in the near future because I

649
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: think it's something that's going to have to be addressed

650
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: sooner or later. Yeah, it certainly does. Okay again, hashtag

651
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: at Giants, hashtag Giants chat on Twitter or two oh one,

652
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: five one three on the phones. Abdul from Innneapolis is

653
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Speaker 1: online number four. Hello, Hey guys, how you doing. So

654
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: to ask you a question, I guess I am most

655
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,239
Speaker 1: intrigued about the offense. Um, you know, I just want

656
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: to see, uh if Eli still has it, you know,

657
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: because he probably now has some kind of blocking hopefully,

658
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: and he has he has uh tons of weapons. I'm

659
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: really intrigued to see how he will run humors offense.

660
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: And um, you just mentioned something about the right tackle.

661
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: It seems like every time I look up, the Giants

662
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: are signing into the guard. Um, how many tackles do

663
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: we have on this team right now? Uh? Well two,

664
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: I know of you have, um Flowers and Flowers and

665
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: Wheeler and Wheeler. So there's three guards and like eight tackles. Sorry,

666
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: so sorry, eight tackles. And well, let's see, they also

667
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 1: have Nick Beckton, who's a tackle. Uh. And they brought

668
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: in Tyler Howell, and undrafted rookie free agent from Missouri

669
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Speaker 1: who was here during the rookie minicamp. Big Missouri was

670
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: because yeah he's six eight three d and thirty something

671
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: pounds and um, let's just say he's very raw, right, Okay,

672
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: and the guys in Nebraska he's a tackle. But yeah, yeah,

673
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: I I look at Nick Gates and I I see

674
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Speaker 1: him as a guard. I honestly do not see him

675
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: as a tackle. They worked him out as a guard

676
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: during rookie minicamp. I think that's his best shot to

677
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: be an NFL player. I like his technique. I think

678
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: he's got a good skill set, um very clean. During

679
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: rookie Minicamp, they didn't have to correct him very often,

680
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: which is always a good sign. But I think he's

681
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: gonna be better off as a guard because he's got

682
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: shorter arms and his lateral movement in space leaves something

683
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: to be desired. So if you put him in the

684
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: phone boothit guard. I think he could be a good

685
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: wall off kind of player in every place I can look,

686
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: I can see the ninety men roster right now. Or

687
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: do they not do that? Well, here's here's what I

688
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: would recommend you go to Giants dot com and they

689
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: do have the entire roster as it stands today available.

690
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: There will not be a depth chart on the site

691
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: because the coaches have not released if you want an

692
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: unofficial depth chart as a guide. And I don't have

693
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: any stock in our Lads, but you guys know, Dan

694
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: Shock is an often guest on our program, especially around

695
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: the draft. He's one of the guys who works with

696
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 1: our lads. Our Lads dot Com has team by team

697
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: offseason depth charts based on just knowledgeable information. It's a guess.

698
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: It's not perfect, it's a guess that will give you

699
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: a better idea of what the team that is. Oh,

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Speaker 1: you are lads l a d s dot com. Yea

701
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: our lads dot com. Yeah, we love those guys. Frequent

702
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: intriguing thing. I'm finally and I'm really intrigued about seeing,

703
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: finally seeing good linebacker play on this team years and

704
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: years and years since we've had uh, you know, in

705
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: credible linebackers. And I'm pretty excited to see how that

706
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: works out. So and I'll tell you, Lorenzo Carter, my friend,

707
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: is going to be a heck of a football player.

708
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: He is he is, he's quick, he's athletic, and he

709
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: will be around the football and it will be a

710
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: lot of fun to watch him play football this year.

711
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: And we've seen a Tree play absolutely, but I don't

712
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: think a lot of people really got to see our

713
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: Carter play. This guy can move, I mean he can

714
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: flat out and move. Well. I'm very intrigued about that.

715
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: Decided to see that. All right, guys, have a great summer, man,

716
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: that sounds good. Have a great summer right to me?

717
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: That sounds pretty darn good. Even though I don't know

718
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: where the summer is. These people know because they follow

719
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: me on Twitter. I want to hit the fast forward

720
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: button on summer. And of course you do know. To Tino,

721
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: we have come out of the worst winter. We gotta

722
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: have some summer. Okay. I'm sorry, Get me the training camp,

723
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: get me to the season. I don't need the next

724
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: two months. You're very selfish. I am very selfish. I

725
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: love the game. This is horrible downtime for me. We're

726
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: very impatient. The game will come to you. Just relax

727
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: for us that have who for us that have to

728
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: play golf and then do outdoor activities. We need our

729
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: summer because we can't do it in the winter. Okay.

730
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: And we just came out of the winter where we

731
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: couldn't do what we'd like to do, golfing, and now

732
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: we're doing no, no, no. You are part of the

733
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: golf community. I am not. I am Italian. I have

734
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: no patience for that. There's a lot of Italians in golf.

735
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: What's the last time with an Italian was in the

736
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: top one on the PGA Tour? Oh? Not very often.

737
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen. Um. There are there's a lot of

738
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: Italian golfers out there, they're not very good. We do

739
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: other things with golf clubs. Let's go back to the lot.

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00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: Did you see this for the Lucas Glover's wife arrested

741
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: for allegedly beating the you know what out of him

742
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: after you played bad at the Players Championship. That's what

743
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: That's what some women do with golf clubs. They beat

744
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: up their husbands or they wrecked their jeeps like Tiger Woods. Uh, Dexter,

745
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: you are online too from Orlando, Florida. Good morning, Hey,

746
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: good morning. You guys are out alarm clock at work night.

747
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: So at twelve o'clock my alarm, gool that's when I

748
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: know you guys on the air. All right, thank you

749
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: so much. Yes, I hope they enjoyed them without sharing it.

750
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I'm not gonna lie to you. I

751
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: have not enjoyed him yet, but I am. I I'm

752
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: getting they're gonna be taken home today. Um. We were

753
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: able to get him frozen. You know we what do

754
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: what do you call? You don't shuck up? What do

755
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: we do with the with the lobster, we took the

756
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: meat out of it, for God's sake, and then it's

757
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: been it's been frozen, and now we are. I'm taking

758
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: him home today, so we're good to go. Alright, My

759
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: question is M Paul. I noticed this year third round

760
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: of picks is way better than the previous years. I

761
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: am so anxious about that guy. Um E. J. Hill

762
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: and Carter Yes is going to be a monster. That

763
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: guy has phenomenal wolves, equally violent, just like Oh Dave,

764
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: gentleman like them. I'm telling this guy Hill, it's unbelievable.

765
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: He's quick, athletic, aggressive, a lot of motion out of

766
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: him on the field, and for defensive tackle who weighs

767
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: three something pounds like three oh five, it's unbelievable to

768
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: think that he's under five seconds in the fourty yard dash.

769
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: His feet, his hand speed doing the drills out here

770
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: during rookie minicamp really jaw dropping. I still think he's

771
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: probably best suited as a defensive end in a three

772
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: four scheme when you're running a five band front with

773
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: a couple of linebackers on the book ends. That's that's

774
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: what I see. But but I'll tell you what, uh

775
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna get after it. He's this kid has a

776
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: motor and yeah, yeah, this is the most best third

777
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: round talent we have gotten in the past previous years.

778
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: Everybody else didn't make it. I don't even think they're

779
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: on the squad. Well, let me just say this, Lorenzo

780
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: Carter and I'm with Jeff on this. You guys know

781
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: you were You weren't around on on the second night

782
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Speaker 1: of the draft. If you had been anywhere within a

783
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles of this building, you would have

784
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: heard me scream when Lorenzo in Orlando, there you go.

785
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: Because this guy, he's got length, he's got athleticism, he's

786
00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: got physicality. Yeah, he is a football guy. Five five

787
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: different instruments and played four different positions at linebacker at Georgia.

788
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: They wanted to primarily be a pass rushing of him.

789
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: In college. I followed him. I followed him and b

790
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: J Hill I was Mike plays and so with Will Hernandez. Yeah,

791
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: it was the best thing that ever could happen. After

792
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: watched that senior boarld, I was like this, he's a

793
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: giant hog. Molly here nan is. I love him, Yes, definitely.

794
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: And and um, Jeff, make sure you keep Dix in

795
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: your tricks on those um on side punts. Man make

796
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: sure I want to see that happening. Jeff work with

797
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: Dixon on that. All right, I'm gonna try ye. Listen,

798
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: Riley Dixon was was quite the trick artist in and

799
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: uh at Syracuse ran a lot of fake punts, lots

800
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: of fake punts. In fact, there was some alumni that

801
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: had got together and we're petitioning for Riley Dixon for

802
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: the Heisman because he ran so many times. Yeah, he's

803
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: pretty pretty athletic. I'm gonna have to look up those

804
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: stats there. Impressive. I just hope that his conversion rate

805
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: on moving the change was was was good because putters

806
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: who run fakes and don't get the first downs don't

807
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: stick around very long. Uh, is it? Ernie Cass? He says,

808
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: great show, Thank you. There seems to be a lack

809
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: of wide receiver depth and an abundance of tight ends.

810
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: Why can't they convert or use a Kyle Carter as

811
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Speaker 1: a white out? Says Ernie on our Twitter at hashtag

812
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: Giants Chat. You know, honestly, I think the way that

813
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: the Giants have gravitated towards the receivers, you know, it

814
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: looks like the philosophy is going to be they want

815
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: those guys to stretch the field more. They want more

816
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: speed there. And to me, they're looking at Barkley is

817
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: a short range target coming out of the backfield. They're

818
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: looking at Ellison as a short to medium range target.

819
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: I think they want their receivers to be all down

820
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: the field, guys. That's just my opinion. Um I I

821
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: understand a little bit of a lack of depth there

822
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: right now. It's oh, b J, it's Sheppard. You've gotta

823
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: figure you're looking at Ingram probably is another medium range

824
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: target who's gonna be catching a lot of passes. They

825
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: may not think they need to do anything more with

826
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Speaker 1: the receiving corps. Corey Latimer, the former Bronco, to me

827
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: as the inside track is the number three. Roger Lewis

828
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: right now would probably be four, and Travis Rudolph at

829
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: the moment would probably be number five. I do think

830
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: it's a little thin on the back of the depth chart,

831
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: but they may think that there's only one ball to

832
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: go around, and if you're gonna be throwing the ball

833
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: a lot to Ingram and Barkley, maybe the back that

834
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: you're receiving depth chart doesn't have to be as proven

835
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Speaker 1: as maybe some of us would like, I don't know, Jeff,

836
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: how do you think? Well, I think that's fine, But

837
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: I think for for for depth purposes, you want to

838
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: have some guys that you and here's where the whole

839
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: special teams comes into me. Team, Okay, Roger Lewis has

840
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: got to be a better special team has to be.

841
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: So you have your O, B J and your Shepherd

842
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: and Evan Ingram and Berkley. There's your four receivers. When

843
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: you think about like you're talking, okay, maybe read Elison

844
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: on some mid range stuff like this, but yeah, I

845
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: think so. To me, what's more important is that those

846
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth receivers are better special teams players than

847
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: they are fourth and fifth receiver to me. And that's

848
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: where that's where those guys are gonna make the team.

849
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: They'll make it as a fourth and fifth receiver or

850
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: fifth and sixth receiver, maybe as a special teams player

851
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: because that's where they needed to be. That that that

852
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: that that has got to improve the special teams. So

853
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a guy who I really want to

854
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: see step up is Travis Rudolf because he had such

855
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: a nice camp last year. What he made this team

856
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: out of nowhere out of Florida State, and all we heard.

857
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: I remember talking, uh talking to um one of the

858
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: assistant coaches down at Florida State, Lawrence Dauci, the former

859
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: Giant Buccaneer receiver, and Lawrence couldn't have said more wonderful

860
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: things about about the player, and then also said I

861
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: told him when he goes up there, you absolutely better

862
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: kick butt on special teams because that's gonna be your ticket.

863
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: And he indicated that, you know, that's what we were

864
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: going to see. Well, Rudolph made made it, you know,

865
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: god here on the practice squad. He made it on

866
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: the campus. But then when they called him up at

867
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: the end of the season, I thought he was very

868
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: quiet and did not did not give them the spark

869
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: that I was kind of hoping he would get well.

870
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: And again, it's it's all about reps. It's all about

871
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: the you know, when you're when you're on when you're

872
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: basically the scout team is what you are. At the

873
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: practice squad, you're running the other team's plays. So by

874
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: the time you get there and get into the game

875
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: and late late in the season, you don't have a

876
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: lot of rhythm and stuff and things like that. You'd

877
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: like to see the guy that was part of the

878
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: part of the fifty three man roster that's running, you know,

879
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: running the routes in in the giants um system and

880
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: being able to come out there. But yeah, I think

881
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: he kind of you know, and again, that was a

882
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: long season for those guys. It was you know, it

883
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: was a long season for everybody. So this is just

884
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: a fellow that I'm gonna keep my eye on because

885
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: I'd like to see a great better things from him.

886
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: I think he's capable of it, but he's just gonna

887
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: have to do it. We go back to the phone

888
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: line to two one three. Line one has Dave from

889
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: Cranford on it, and we say good afternoon, Dave, All Dave,

890
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: how are you? How are you guys? There's a lot

891
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: a lot of you guys have left a lot of

892
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: information out there that I could comment on. So I

893
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: have to be disciplined because you said so many things.

894
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: One of them, Um, I guess if I was answering

895
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: the question first, I think, to me, Paul, as much

896
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: as I agree with the intricacies and the and the

897
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: different positions on defense, I think this offseason comes down

898
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: to did they fix the offensive line because it's good.

899
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: You know. I think it's pretty clear. No one's gonna

900
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: argue that the players are there to be explosive. I

901
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: don't think there's any question about that. The question is

902
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: can we finally give Eli, you know, a second to

903
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: throw and not to be living in fear of his

904
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: life and can that line come together? And I have

905
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: to think that the answer there is you to like

906
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: what you see. I mean, we're not in pads, I

907
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: get all that, but I think you like what we see.

908
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: I'd love to get your guys comments on it. Well,

909
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: I do on paper, yes, And I think that's about

910
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: all we could say. I think until we get these

911
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: guys to line up against each other and not so

912
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: much beat the crap out of them, but just more

913
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: just line up and play football, then I can when

914
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: we can start to make some educated guests as far

915
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: as how this roster is gonna shape up. And on paper,

916
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: I think that you know, the draft, the free agency.

917
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: I think that Dave Gentleman has done a tremendous job.

918
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: And I think I have a lot of faith in

919
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: this coaching staff because when you look at Pat Shermer

920
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: did and he went out and got veteran coaches to

921
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: coach at each one of these positions, along with some

922
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: veteran leadership, checked all the boxes what you needed from

923
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: last year to this year. It's there, it's down paper,

924
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: and now let's go. You know what's really cool about this.

925
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: You can look at a guy like say Kwon Barkley,

926
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: and the line doesn't have to be great for him

927
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: to produce. They just have to be okay. Yeah, that's all.

928
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: They just have to be okay. They have to be

929
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: the Cowboys line. They don't have to beat the tight

930
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: line or the Ravens line, not the Ravens, the Raiders.

931
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: They just have to be okay and he can make

932
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: things happen. The other thing is, think about this to

933
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: Jeff in terms of the checkdown. When you have to

934
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: go to the quick release stuff and you have to

935
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: dump the ball off because there's gonna be pressure in

936
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: the backfield. Who better to throw it too than see

937
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley, who can make a big play and score

938
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: from anywhere on the field. You know, in the past

939
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: the Giants have had guys like that, Dave make It,

940
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: Tikey barber A, my Bradshaw who could take a short

941
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: dump off and make a huge play out of it.

942
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: And those those are the kinds of threats. Those are

943
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: the kinds of players that can just open up so

944
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 1: many different things for the quarterback. And you know, look

945
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: at last year's team, they didn't have anybody like that.

946
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: You know, Vereen was coming off injury. He really never

947
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: amounted to to what he was with the Patriots. Dark

948
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: was a terrific player, But is he taken at the

949
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: distance on a dump off from the thirty five yard line.

950
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: He's not, so so that dimension to me is huge.

951
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: I think the other person, Paul, that you talked about

952
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: um that flies a little bit under the radar in

953
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: the off season was the Cody laddam are signing definitely

954
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: on special teams. But think about him if you watch

955
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: any of his tape about how he blocks on the

956
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: perimeter as a receiver, and you know a lot of

957
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: a lot of receivers, don't you know, They will pretend

958
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: they're blocking, but this guy actually will take somebody's head off.

959
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: And you go then look at Shermer's offense and see

960
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: how many rub routes they play, and see how many

961
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: bubble screens they play where you need a receiver to block,

962
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: and I couldn't agree more Jeff what you said that

963
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 1: the Giants, you know, they're gonna have more issues about

964
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: getting all the explosive players enough touches. They got, they

965
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: got four guys that can take it to the house,

966
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: you know, any any time that they catch the ball,

967
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: they need that complimented receiver who's willing to to get

968
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: to get dirty on offense and do some of those

969
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: other things that will will allow those players. And just

970
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: picture him throwing a block. And to Paul's points, so

971
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: Quan is only gonna need one or two good blocks

972
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: on a like to to really make defenses pay. So

973
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of really good things to

974
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: think about. Well maybe that's shout your age. Dirty receiver

975
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: over the middle turned out to be Ellison, Well it

976
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: could be. They tried to get him the ball a

977
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: lot more last year. Remember, didn't use them nearly enough,

978
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: I know, but they tried. It's like they started it

979
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it kind of went away. Um,

980
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: but I think that he's you know, and Pat Shermer

981
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: has a relationship and some history with him. We'll see

982
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: what happened. Thanks Dave, Yeah, Dave, thank you. Good phone call.

983
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: We go to line three and the lobster man Charlie

984
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: from Portland, Maine. Hello, Charlie's happening Are you doing? Ah?

985
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: A beautiful day, Charlie, how are you? Hey? Um, I

986
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: should have sent you rubber ups. You were going to

987
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: freeze them. Well, tastes like Listen, here's the problem. Here's

988
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: the problem we have, Charlie. No, no, no, but I'm

989
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. I'm gonna ge. So I figured Charlie

990
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: would send me one or two. Charlie sent me ten.

991
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: Oh really in one pounds? So hey, that's a class act, Charlie. Yeah.

992
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: So not only was it difficult to to cook and

993
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: clean ten lobsters, okay, rather than one or two, So

994
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: that was part of the problem. The second problem is

995
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: is that I played football a little bit too long,

996
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: got hit and the had many many times. And I've

997
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: been able to come into the facility now the last

998
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: three weeks in a row, and I forgot to take

999
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: them home. So they're in the freezer here. So they

1000
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: are going home today, Charlie, and I'm making either lobster

1001
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: bisk or lobster sandwiches with my lobster. Oh okay, I

1002
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: will I will post. I don't post a lot, but

1003
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: I will. I'll post my whatever whatever food comes out

1004
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: of this lobster, I will put it on. It's will

1005
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: be on the Twitter. It'll be on Twitter. Thank you, Charlie. Hey, hey,

1006
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: another another good one is just some nice pasta, olive oils,

1007
00:51:50,880 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: a little garlic, maybe some capers, and I love what

1008
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking about regular But anyway, Hey, I think the

1009
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: reason why the punters don't listen to you, Jeff, because

1010
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: it's a different game now. It is absolutely no kidding. No.

1011
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: The thing is, these guys are all into stats, and

1012
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: they're all into you know, you know, you gotta butter

1013
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: them up. You gotta say, hey, you want to make

1014
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: your stats better. You want to have some really good stats.

1015
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: This is how you kick it. You kick it in

1016
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: the coffin corner. You're gonna get so many great stats.

1017
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: You know what the best stats in for a punter

1018
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: is kicking the ball inside the ten yard line. And

1019
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: I am the leader of that in the NFL. That

1020
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: really helps your team. And you'll stick in this league

1021
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 1: like I did for twenty two years. And people ask

1022
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: me all the time, how did you play so long?

1023
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: And there's a couple of things. Number One, I was

1024
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: very lucky I didn't get hurt. Okay, because a lot

1025
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: of you know, the injuries take you out of this game,

1026
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: which which really it really did take me out of

1027
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: my game after season. You know, my knees, just the

1028
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: injuries I had over and kicking. But the bottom line

1029
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: was this what took me to what what I played

1030
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: so long was because of this reason, and this reason only.

1031
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: Number One, I was good at my craft. Number Two,

1032
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: I did what the coaches wanted me to do. That's

1033
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. When coach Coffin told me to kick

1034
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: the ball out of bounds and it only went thirty

1035
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: nine yards, I did my job, seriously so. But I

1036
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: took a thirty nine yard gross gross and gross in

1037
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: a net number which today thirty nine yards. These guys

1038
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: can kick it with their eyes closed. Okay, it doesn't

1039
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: look good on the statue. But here's the problem. These

1040
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: guys don't see that they want to have the numbers

1041
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: because but they don't see the fact that when your

1042
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: coach is telling you to do something, the coaches, when

1043
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 1: you do it, they understand. They don't care about the numbers.

1044
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: It's all about the just the team and what you do.

1045
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: They don't understand that stuff, they really don't, and that's

1046
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: their own fault. And they're only gonna play for four

1047
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: or five years at the most, and then they'll be done.

1048
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: And then they'll sit back on the couch one day

1049
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: and they'll hear my name and go, God, I should

1050
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: have listened to that guy. We have so much become

1051
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: a stat o question every day you turn on the stats,

1052
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: pro football focus everything in between, the politics and fantasy fiprising,

1053
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: not the statu You know, we're guys go to bathroom.

1054
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: You know what time of the day or what if

1055
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: it affects their games? Come on, you do and I

1056
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: know you know this. Do you know the story of

1057
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: Dave Jennings? Do do you know the story Dave Jennings,

1058
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: the former Giants punter who went to the NFL, who

1059
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: went to the NFL and basically demanded of them that

1060
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: you guys keep track of punts inside the twenty and

1061
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: demanded of them that you create a net average category

1062
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: for punters because he was sick and tired of watching

1063
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: these putters who just would try to boom it all

1064
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: the time and didn't benefit the team. They were so

1065
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: interested in their own stuff. Jennings said, you've got to

1066
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: do this, and they finally relented and created the stat

1067
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: net punting average and inside the twenty. Because of Dave Jennings,

1068
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: he's the one who made the NFL wreck ignized that

1069
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: as a category. There you go, Charlie. So he cared,

1070
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta do. And the other thing you

1071
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: gotta do, Jeff. First thing you do is you got

1072
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: to butter them up and say, hey, what's your best punt?

1073
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: Utter them up like the lobster. I'm gonna have a

1074
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: hard time buttering anybody up. And when it comes to punting, Charlie,

1075
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. I'm just gonna tell him

1076
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: they need to listen to me or you get the

1077
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: heck out of here. Thanks Charlie, right, Charlie, Thanks again.

1078
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: Two oh one nine nine four or five one three.

1079
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: We got a couple of calls on the line. Let's

1080
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: see if we can get through loom. Jeff is also

1081
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: uptown in New England from Rhode Island. He's online four Hello,

1082
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: hey fellas, how you doing today? How are you? I'm

1083
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: doing fine? Thank you, Paulie. Maybe I uh, maybe I

1084
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: should hook you up with about a five five pound

1085
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: container snail selling. How Yeah, that's what you definitely do

1086
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, send that over, Jeff. I'd like to no, no, no,

1087
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: you can have a little competition between a watch the

1088
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: man and the snailman. Oh my goodness, I'm a postive guy,

1089
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: flat out. That's all I was doing. Anyway. Uh, I'm

1090
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: just calling to see I mean, I know you haven't

1091
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: seen many of the guys on the field do anything

1092
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: as of yet, because it's kind of really but and

1093
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, do you think this Cody Latimer could

1094
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: bring anything to the party other than being a good

1095
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: special teams player. Well, you know, here's the thing. I

1096
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: remember when the Giants signed him from Denver and I

1097
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: posted up a post about terrific special teams player. And

1098
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: also he is a ball control guy. He's got size,

1099
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: he's got good hands, he's a move the chains guy.

1100
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: And a guy comes back on Twitter and rips me

1101
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: to shreds, saying, well, look, he's only had such and

1102
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: such number of catches in a few years at Denver.

1103
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: His stats don't don't show anything. He's a nothing. And

1104
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't you understand I'm characterizing the style of

1105
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: player he is. Okay, that's not the point. The style

1106
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: of player he is. Actually, he's gonna be, at least

1107
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: at the moment, in terms of the wide receiving room,

1108
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: he'll be the tallest of the wide receivers. The rest

1109
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: of them there's there's smurfs, you know they are, But

1110
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: of smurfs, he'll be the tallest wide receiver on this roster. Again,

1111
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: if you're not counting the tight ends. And he is

1112
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: a guy who's got hands, who who does all the

1113
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: physical things you want him to do. And let's not forget,

1114
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: as we've said to you many times on this show,

1115
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: the Broncos wide receivers coach came over to the Giants

1116
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: during the off season. And once again, as I said

1117
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: with Townsend and William Gaye, you know that they checked

1118
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: with him before they made that signing, and so they

1119
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: must have gotten a good review that there's some upside here.

1120
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: This is a guy who was a second round pick

1121
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: when he came out in the draft. I liken him

1122
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: a lot to Dominic Hickson and and if he is

1123
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: and if he is Domini Kickson and breaks out with

1124
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: the Giants like Kickson did I think you would tell

1125
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: me that's a good thing? Absolutely? Absolutely, Oh yeah, I'd

1126
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: be terrific if he could turned into another dominic Kicks.

1127
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: And there's no doubt about that. Now Hickson got a

1128
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: little deeper, made some big plays and two tight ends

1129
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 1: and uh recently drafted running back. I'm just not really

1130
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: over enthusiastic about the the rest of the guys on

1131
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: a roster at the white receiver position. That's ald. So

1132
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: that's why I was asking about this guy in particular. Well,

1133
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's whether it's a Hicks or not

1134
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: even a Dwayne Harris who gave the Giant some good

1135
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: snaps at wide receiver. If he could be either one

1136
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: of those guys, you'd be happy, right, Oh yeah, absolutely,

1137
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely yeah. And he doesn't have to be

1138
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: the go to guy. We've already listed to go to guys.

1139
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,479
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of exactly exactly Okay, Well, thank you guys,

1140
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jeff, Thank you, Jeff. One more Colorado. Today's program,

1141
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: we go to Line too and Mark from Chicago. Hello,

1142
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: hey guys, how are you doing? Great show as usual?

1143
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: Thank you. Hey, I really learned to talk about his

1144
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: c b A had a couple of points about that,

1145
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 1: But one thing, Uh, I thought it was a little

1146
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: sad when you guys were talking about who are the

1147
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: leaders on the offensive side of the ball and there

1148
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: wasn't one mention of O b J. And you know,

1149
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: I think he's sort of relegated to being a big play,

1150
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: big star prima donna role at this point. Have you

1151
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: seen anything, at least in the preseason that we've seen

1152
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: thus far he's really gonna legitimately step up and be

1153
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: a leader on the offense. Um? I I have not

1154
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: because I haven't been around around it, so I can't

1155
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: comment on that. But um, you know, I know, I

1156
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: know he's liked in the locker room, Mark, I really

1157
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: do the players like him? Um? And I just don't,

1158
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, without being in there and understanding the dynamics

1159
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: of things that I don't, I don't know, you know,

1160
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't know why his name didn't come to mind,

1161
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: But I just think that I think that the other

1162
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: guys that I that I had mentioned to me filfill

1163
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: that kind of role on a on a bigger scale,

1164
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: not just in the locker room. It's got to be

1165
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: on game day, well, you know, on game day, Ob

1166
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: j not exactly the leader on game day when it

1167
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: comes to the antics that he does. I think if

1168
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: if it was if he had kind of not done

1169
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: a lot of those stupid things, I think maybe that

1170
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: that that might change in my opinion. I mean, there

1171
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: are lots of ways a guy can lead, And if

1172
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: you want to look at the best qualities he has

1173
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: on the practice field, there's no question credible preparation. I

1174
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: mean he does, he does, works and prepares as hard

1175
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: as anybody in this game does. That's one number two. Obviously,

1176
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: he is the ultimate competitor. The guy can't stand to lose,

1177
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: almost to a fault because he bubbles over. But he

1178
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: can't stand to lose. And I want guys who can't

1179
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: stand lose. Dave Getleman said that I want guys who

1180
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: hate to lose on my team. And the fact is,

1181
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: on game day, boy, I don't know that I've ever

1182
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: seen him take a playoff, to be quite frank with you.

1183
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: So so those are those are really good characteristics and

1184
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: in some ways, if you want to call those leadership skills,

1185
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: you can. But but those would be the ways he

1186
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: manifests himself as a leader. I don't I don't necessarily

1187
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: think he's got the other leadership categories that maybe some

1188
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: people would think about in a traditional sense. Well, I

1189
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: would just hope that going into the fifth year and

1190
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: now we'd see a little more maturity and maybe with

1191
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: a big contract out there, maybe we'll say it. So anyway,

1192
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad Jeff is on today because last week, Um, Paul,

1193
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: you and Lance talked about the salary aspects of the

1194
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: c b A and maybe doing some different structures. Um.

1195
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: The one thing I know you've mentioned it to on

1196
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: the on the show is that just the quality of football,

1197
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: especially for the first month of the year is so

1198
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: poor because these guys don't really go through you know

1199
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: what I would call the grueling training camp. You know,

1200
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: back in the old days, they needed six weeks because

1201
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, the guys are out of shape. You know,

1202
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: football was in a full time profession. They had to

1203
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: have offseason jobs. But now you know, these guys get

1204
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: paid so much money, you know, it's a full time profession.

1205
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: They come into camp in shape. You know, why can't

1206
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: they go back a little bit more towards the older

1207
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: days where when they bring them in for mini camp,

1208
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: you get some hitting in, they do more hitting during

1209
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: training camp. Uh, they play them more than a quarter.

1210
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's almost like when you watch

1211
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: a game for the first month of the year, tackling

1212
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: is almost like Pro Bowl. I mean, it's really poor.

1213
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: And it just irks me that, you know, the quality

1214
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: suffers so much because of the CB. And I understand

1215
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: you want to protect the players from from injury, but

1216
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: it seems like, you know a lot of guys get

1217
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: hurt more from non contact injuries than you do from

1218
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: contact injuries and training camps. So anyway, I know it's

1219
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: a long conversation. I'd like to hear what you have

1220
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: to say and I'll listen off the year. Thank you

1221
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: Mike for the last call of the day. Quickly, Jeff

1222
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: Somedil thought, well, it all comes down to money. It's

1223
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: all this whole business is about money. It's about protecting

1224
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: the players that it's protecting your um, your brand, and

1225
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: really when the guy the players, Okay, years ago, when

1226
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: you had your mini camps and things like that, See,

1227
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: the coaches got away with a lot of stuffy They

1228
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: had these players in helmets and they were basically practicing

1229
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: full go. They pushed it and they pushed it and it,

1230
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: and it backfired on them, It really did. Now they're crying,

1231
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: they're saying, we can't get anything done because but you

1232
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: know what if they if they give them an inch,

1233
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: they'll take a yard again. Okay, those those coaches will

1234
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: go out there and they will just pile on again.

1235
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: So that's the problem, alright. It's not that the players

1236
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: don't so much want to do it. It's just that

1237
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: the coaches exploited it years ago and there had to

1238
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: be something done about it. And it's unfortunate because the

1239
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: game suffers. It really does. It does. If they could

1240
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,479
Speaker 1: somehow find a compromise and find a way to rein

1241
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: it in and tighten the controls on it, that would

1242
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: allow for a little bit more. But he and the

1243
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: other thing too, Mini camps. Mini camps are three days long.

1244
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: Right then, they had these guys coming in here and

1245
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: doing one on one pass protection, nine on seven stuff.

1246
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: These are guys that are that are they're either working

1247
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: out in the facility or their at home working out.

1248
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: They're not playing football, and then all of a sudden

1249
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: they come in here and they start going and having

1250
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: all this contact. Guys aren't they're not used to it,

1251
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: and they were getting hurt and injury started to happen.

1252
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: So that's it's just a big ball of wax the

1253
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: things that happened, and now it's just it's unfortunate. This

1254
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: is the way it's gonna be. It's never gonna change

1255
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: from this point on. It's not gonna get They're not

1256
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: gonna go back to anything. I don't see it happening. Not, not,

1257
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: not at all. I mean, we're talking about getting rid

1258
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: of the kickoff, for God's sakes. If that, they're not

1259
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: gonna talk about getting back into pads for minicamp, there's

1260
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: no way. All right, are you done for the week?

1261
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: I am done. Yeah, I'm done with you for the week,

1262
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: that's for sure, poor guy, Right, Danny, Jeff, Jeff will

1263
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: be back one day next week. I don't know either.

1264
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,439
Speaker 1: I will be back tomorrow. I believe I have Lance

1265
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Speaker 1: Medal with me tomorrow. John is down in Washington watching

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