Speaker 1: January twenty fifth, nineteen eighty seven, The Rose Bowl, Pasadena, California,
Speaker 1: l Way Sims Parcels Belichick lt A tale of two
Speaker 1: halves and a quarterbacking performance of the Ages. Are we
Speaker 1: going to Disney World? This is Super Bowl twenty one. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Games with Names, presented by Win Bett.
Speaker 1: I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Sam Morrel, and we're on a
Speaker 1: search to find the greatest games of all time. And
Speaker 1: on today's episode, we're talking Super Bowl twenty one. The
Speaker 1: New York Jets versus the Denver Broncos the Giants. Oh
Speaker 1: that's the Giants. Are you sure? I mean, I know
Speaker 1: some people wish it was the Jets. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It's the Giants. It's the Giants. We'll be joined by
Speaker 1: legend Phil Simms in studio, in studio perform. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm wearing this. That's why I'm wearing this. I think
Speaker 1: you might be converting Man five and one Giants rolling. Eh. Well,
Speaker 1: you're gonna check on what was going on in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty seven. Yeah, Branuary break down this classic Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and then wrap it up by naming and scoring the game.
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Speaker 1: success is communication. Communication. That's that's what happens when you
Speaker 1: know we're succeeding. We're on the same same, same, same chemistry,
Speaker 1: same page. That's what it is. Why are we doing
Speaker 1: this game? I mean in first Giant super Bowl, that's
Speaker 1: pretty big. A lot of championships with this was the big,
Speaker 1: the big, first super Bowl. So many fun personalities here
Speaker 1: that we teased it, but lt one of the most
Speaker 1: fun ever. Sims, who is your coworker, mister Simms. Love
Speaker 1: mister Sims. Love mister Simms. He had one of the
Speaker 1: best quarterbacking performances in Super Bowl history. I believe you
Speaker 1: only had like three incompletions. What was the stat line?
Speaker 1: Twenty two for twenty eight two hundred and sixty six yards,
Speaker 1: three touchdowns, five straight scoring drives in the I thought
Speaker 1: it was twenty two or twenty five. Let me think
Speaker 1: that was just in the second half. Really, I think
Speaker 1: that was just in the second half. We'll get that
Speaker 1: cleaned up. Okay. But Phil Simms sets the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: record for eighty eight percent completion rate. It was the
Speaker 1: first Super Bowl win, like we already stated for the
Speaker 1: New York Football Giants. But we have Lway on the
Speaker 1: other side of this, young John Elway, young guns Stanford
Speaker 1: kid l Way. Yeah, pretty boy didn't. He wasn't. Eve.
Speaker 1: One of the first to not sign with the team
Speaker 1: was of the Colts. It was the Baltimore Colts at
Speaker 1: the time. He said, no way, I'm gonna go play
Speaker 1: for the Yankees. Instead, they trade him to the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: Becomes a Bronco legend. And this is before he got
Speaker 1: the Super Bowls and he was humbled by mister Simms
Speaker 1: and the New York Football Giants. Yeah. He won at
Speaker 1: the end one at the end. Yeah, but he got
Speaker 1: humbled a couple times in the Super like he got
Speaker 1: blown out by the Niners. Yeah, he got blown out here.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until they went to that running game with
Speaker 1: Terrell Davis. Yeah, Mi grains remember that he always had.
Speaker 1: Mike said a Migrains. Yeah, I do remember that, Sam,
Speaker 1: you were right twenty two of twenty five. My math
Speaker 1: was off. Oh yeah, twenty two of twenty five. Oh
Speaker 1: you ever disrespect miss Let me tell that again. Don't
Speaker 1: you ever disrespect mister Simms twenty two of twenty five.
Speaker 1: Like mister Burden. Oh yeah, they call me mister Tibbs.
Speaker 1: Remember that from the In the Heat of the Night
Speaker 1: Sydney Paudier. I like mister Pib. Mister Pib is good,
Speaker 1: better than Doctor Pepper. Just has like thirty times more caffeine. Really,
Speaker 1: I think that that was the their selling point. It
Speaker 1: had way more caffeine. Remember jolt I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: that's insane that you just said that. Dude. They had
Speaker 1: jolt gum. Yeah, you have to be a real piece
Speaker 1: of shit kid to be chewing Jolt gu on your skateboard,
Speaker 1: just chewing the nineties. Serge was the other one. Serge
Speaker 1: was a little much. I didn't like. It was like
Speaker 1: Mountain Dewey, right, yeah. And the commercial was like s
Speaker 1: like it was like an avalanche of kids just like running.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I don't remember that, but I can
Speaker 1: only imagine with I think they had like three hundred
Speaker 1: milligrams of caffeine and you have a twelve year old
Speaker 1: drink in it. That was a demo. I mean it
Speaker 1: was crazy. Uh. I mean four loco is like the
Speaker 1: you know, the alcoholic version, but this was like pre
Speaker 1: four loco Joel cola. That was it was fucking bad
Speaker 1: for you. This was pre people knowing soda was terrible
Speaker 1: for you. I think they knew, they did. They My
Speaker 1: parents won't let me drink it, nah, just because they
Speaker 1: want to deal with the sugar high. But they didn't
Speaker 1: know it was terrible for you. They didn't know if
Speaker 1: you you put like a nail in a cup of
Speaker 1: coke and it dissolves in like a day. Is that
Speaker 1: Does that really happen? A nails? Let me check on
Speaker 1: that or something. Mister of caffeine though, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a lot in the in the flavor is technically
Speaker 1: spicy cherry. Damn. There was always the There was always
Speaker 1: the uh, like the rumor or like the oh my,
Speaker 1: the urban myth that what was it? A doctor pepper
Speaker 1: was like apricot or no prune prune soda. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: you ever hear that? I've heard it's like thirty one
Speaker 1: flavors or something like. I thought it was like the prune.
Speaker 1: It was like carbonated prune juice. Yeah, is it? Is
Speaker 1: it prune juice? No? What is it? Jase? Let me
Speaker 1: check on that quick, fron juice. But let's go back
Speaker 1: January twenty seventh, nineteen eighty seven. On this day, the
Speaker 1: number one movie in America was Critical Condition. You can't
Speaker 1: see that. I don't even know what. I don't either,
Speaker 1: what is it? I don't Let's move on, move on,
Speaker 1: move on, move on. The number one song in America
Speaker 1: at this point or at this moment by Billy Vera
Speaker 1: and the Beaters. The Beaters? Was Chris Brown in that group?
Speaker 1: What the I guess he would have been too young?
Speaker 1: What who? I don't know that song? Can we get
Speaker 1: a sample? This was? Will legal allow it? Can we
Speaker 1: play a sample? All right? Forget it? Sorry? No legal.
Speaker 1: But Aretha Franklin inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, first female inductee. That's crazy. I mean that's
Speaker 1: she was a she could sing legend. I was at
Speaker 1: a roast once years ago and it was the Matt
Speaker 1: Lower Roast. I was in the crowd and she sang
Speaker 1: the national anthem and Jeff Ross comes out and his
Speaker 1: first line is, wow, thought that was amazing. Usually it's
Speaker 1: it's not over till the fat lady sings. Oh that
Speaker 1: was the opening line, and just cut the her giving
Speaker 1: him the finger, And I was like, well, I guess
Speaker 1: this is a roast dude. That's gnarly. Yeah comedy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: straight for jugulars full House premieres. Yeah. Unfortunately, I'm looking
Speaker 1: for a house in the market in Los Angeles. Shed
Speaker 1: a single tear because I looked at Bob Saget's house.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it was a cool house. I bet cool house,
Speaker 1: whol house. Ah. But you know, I just didn't cross
Speaker 1: the line with mister Tanner and his the core. He
Speaker 1: was a he was a classy dude. I knew a
Speaker 1: little bit, and he was a really really I've heard
Speaker 1: nothing but insane things. Really everyone he's you know, left
Speaker 1: a great impact dude. He knew everyone. He was like
Speaker 1: friends with Rodney Dangerfield. I mean he's been around forever.
Speaker 1: You know. I'll tell you I love this. My mother
Speaker 1: never breastfed me. She told me she liked me as
Speaker 1: a friend. Classic. I love Rodney. That's good. I could
Speaker 1: do right. I'm back to schools. Like my favorite comedy
Speaker 1: is it? Oh my god, it's like bulletproof. So many
Speaker 1: good laughs in that movie. The scene with the wife's
Speaker 1: so many back and forth where she goes, oh, you're impossible,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you're easy. Like there's so many hard
Speaker 1: laughs in that movie Killer Oh. The Simpsons Debuts is
Speaker 1: a series of shorts on the Tracy Omens Show. I
Speaker 1: mean The Simpsons nineteen eighty seven. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: a crazy That first season of writers on The Simpsons
Speaker 1: is like all from Taxi with all like heavyweight writers.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, I mean it's lasted forever. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I'm still going. It's one of the great shows. Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills Cop topped the movie charts, while Dirty Dance Scene
Speaker 1: was an unexpected hit. Love both. I never saw Dirty Dancing,
Speaker 1: but I can't believe I have never seen it. No
Speaker 1: one puts baby in a corner. I get the reference,
Speaker 1: but I don't get there. You don't get the reference.
Speaker 1: I know it's Beverly Hills Cop is spectacular. My dad,
Speaker 1: that was like an important thing. My dad was like,
Speaker 1: we have to watch Beverly Hills Cop. And you know
Speaker 1: it's like he loved Beverly Hills Cop. Oh mean it
Speaker 1: was the best. I liked the third one when they
Speaker 1: went to the amusement park. A lot of people hated it.
Speaker 1: A lot of people thought it sucked. That's when I
Speaker 1: you know that you always kind of favor up with
Speaker 1: like the movie that you grew like you cross traject
Speaker 1: with like your age where you kind of start getting
Speaker 1: jokes like the Rockies, Like I didn't like the first
Speaker 1: three until I like grew up and I was older.
Speaker 1: But when like Rocky four came out, it was like
Speaker 1: Action eighties, like that's the one I liked because I
Speaker 1: was at the age where I could understand, no, I know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, and then you
Speaker 1: rewatch like, oh, that's way better that one's been. But
Speaker 1: I never saw Beverly Hills Cop three. The first two
Speaker 1: are Killer Killer, Light's Out, Mike Tyson's punch Out. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I remember that shit. I do. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember that they had didn't they have they had the
Speaker 1: box they had No, they didn't have that yet. They
Speaker 1: had something that was duck Hunt because this was this
Speaker 1: had to be a Nintendo. But the Arcade, I think
Speaker 1: was the Arcade did have the thing when you do that, Remember,
Speaker 1: I felt like we were terrible podcasting, but yeah, we're
Speaker 1: we're holding on to things and you hit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well people watch us on YouTube too, maybe yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was an adaptation of the nineteen eighty four arcade
Speaker 1: game punch Out. Yeah. Interesting, that's what it is. Mike
Speaker 1: Tyson moved to thirty two and oh, first Unified champ
Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, it was like Super Bowl Sunday.
Speaker 1: Anytime he fought. When I was a kid, he was
Speaker 1: the baddest dude, terrifying. I mean, you saw him fuck
Speaker 1: that guy up in Delta one. That was like he
Speaker 1: still got it. I mean I do tip my hat
Speaker 1: to that man that was jawing Mike Tyson. I don't
Speaker 1: he sucked. I mean, I don't understand, like this guy's
Speaker 1: got balls. I think he does? He have balls? Or
Speaker 1: is he just stupid? Could be a mixture of both. Probably. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the nineteen eighty six eighty seven NFL season.
Speaker 1: Bo Jackson was the first overall pick to the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers, but pulled an l way and went to
Speaker 1: the Royals instead. In saying that he was that good
Speaker 1: at sports, dude, he was so monstery. Remember and when
Speaker 1: he played with the Royals and he scathed the wall,
Speaker 1: caught like he tracked a ball probably like sixty yards
Speaker 1: that was on a rope, scales a wall, runs up
Speaker 1: the wall, throws a guy. I mean, he was so athletic.
Speaker 1: And the baseball pants they looked like under armour on him,
Speaker 1: and before under armour was even made, he just his
Speaker 1: thighs were like chafing while he was running like a gazelle.
Speaker 1: He was a gazelle. I just watched the Nolan Ryan doc. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is amazing if you haven't seen it, but there's
Speaker 1: a great scene of Bo Jackson versus Nolan. It's just
Speaker 1: like Alpha versus alfa legend versus legend, and he fucking
Speaker 1: he did. You know, you forget Nolan Ryan wasn't invincible.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, he hit some bombs off him, dude,
Speaker 1: you know, and people forget that Bo Jackson was that
Speaker 1: good of a baseball player. He was. He was great
Speaker 1: at baseball. In football, really good record set. Dan Marino
Speaker 1: most passing attempts with six hundred and twenty three, Dan
Speaker 1: Marino most completions with three hundred and seventy eight. Those
Speaker 1: have been topped, Those have had to be in topped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: gotta be let me look into that MVP Lawrence Taylor,
Speaker 1: first defensive player to win the awards in nineteen seventy one,
Speaker 1: twenty point five sacks, one hundred and six total tackles,
Speaker 1: and I mean he was just the baddest dude. He's
Speaker 1: a savant player. I mean, you know, to hear the
Speaker 1: stories about him, and I'm sure mister Sims will give
Speaker 1: us a couple. Uh. I'm looking forward to hearing it
Speaker 1: because all the stories I've heard is he's just a
Speaker 1: yeah he It didn't matter what time Betty went, what time,
Speaker 1: what time he went to bed, or what he was doing,
Speaker 1: he was gonna be bawling on the football field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like one of the early party but still delivered. I
Speaker 1: mean epic. Yeah. Coach of the Year Bill Parcells. I
Speaker 1: wonder if we're gonna get some good stories about him,
Speaker 1: that'll be that'll be interesting. The rule change, the first
Speaker 1: introduction of the replay for the officials. Wow, they they
Speaker 1: still haven't got that one down. It just lengthens the
Speaker 1: game regardless the referee. Play has gotten so inconsistent. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's black and there's white. We have so much gray
Speaker 1: in our rules right now. It's fucking ridiculous. I can't
Speaker 1: watch a game without like it's terrible. Yeah, like, let
Speaker 1: the boys play. I know we got lawsuits, people are
Speaker 1: getting hurt in head, but like, all right, we know
Speaker 1: what we signed up for. Oh dude, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: how about baseball with these replays, You're like, this is
Speaker 1: already the slowest game on the planet. Baseball you need
Speaker 1: to not have replays, kay, get it right? Or three innings,
Speaker 1: one picture and a guy on second. Let's you're getting
Speaker 1: rid of the guy running out and kicking dirt on
Speaker 1: the umpire's feet because you're reviewing it. I want to
Speaker 1: see a guy be like fuck you and get thrown out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like remember that one dude who went outrageous in like
Speaker 1: a triple A team's thrown what was the what's the
Speaker 1: thing called the chalk? Yeah they have those anymore. The
Speaker 1: rosen bag, the rosenbag, they still have them. I don't
Speaker 1: see him as often. I think they're back. There are
Speaker 1: they back? They got to be in the bullpen, right,
Speaker 1: gotta be got into that man. But I remember that
Speaker 1: one guy who like had a crazy meltdown the manager
Speaker 1: like threw one at the bomb like bear chrome, Like
Speaker 1: those are always fun. I don't. I do remember Robbie
Speaker 1: Alamar spitting on a manager and being like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: that's crazy, great player, you will You can't spit on him, man,
Speaker 1: you can't spit an umpire. No, you can't. You just
Speaker 1: can't do it. Bill Romanowski's spitting it a JJ Stokes face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a fucking scary dude. He was maniac. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did you know him? No? Yeah, he still looks like
Speaker 1: a maniac. Yeah, what were you doing in nineteen eighty seven?
Speaker 1: We were both babies, dude, I don't remember. I don't
Speaker 1: remember either, But I've got pictures, do you? I mean,
Speaker 1: my mom does what kind of pictures. There's one picture.
Speaker 1: My mom's an artist, so there's one picture of me
Speaker 1: in like a gean. Her artsy friend took a picture
Speaker 1: of me in a jean jacket, dick just flopping out,
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a baby dick. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: know why we had I mean, like, there's no need
Speaker 1: for this. She has it up in her in her office.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why is this? Who is this for? You know,
Speaker 1: technically you can get you can get some trouble for
Speaker 1: that these days, I don't if it's your son. I
Speaker 1: think you're okay. I don't know. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I wonder how a bigger penis at one.
Speaker 1: I was not looking great in that fot. I I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not looking amazing too. Jews. It is not gonna
Speaker 1: come away, but it's not gonna be a good uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they performed the circumcision. Yeah, put
Speaker 1: it this way. It was not looking great. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the teams. New York Football Giants fourteen
Speaker 1: and two path to the Super Bowl beat my San
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers forty three smoked him. They were
Speaker 1: physical at the line of scrimmage. I remember seeing the
Speaker 1: old footage. You gotta be physical with the finesse niners.
Speaker 1: I think Joe was hurt too. Maybe that was the
Speaker 1: reason beat the Redskins, beat the Redskins, and Joe gibb
Speaker 1: beat Joe Gibbing the Redskins in the Wind Bowl. Coach
Speaker 1: by Bill Parcells, defensive coordinator old coach Belichick, special teams
Speaker 1: coach Romeo Cournell, and we'll leave it at that. Mister
Speaker 1: Sim's gonna be on here. He had a career high
Speaker 1: four game winning drives. This year he had three thousand,
Speaker 1: four hundred and eighty seven yards, twenty one touchdowns, twenty
Speaker 1: two interceptions. We gotta gotta you gotta get that, uh
Speaker 1: that ratio better, mister Simms. Yeah, well, he wasn't scared
Speaker 1: to let it fly. He was not scared to let
Speaker 1: it fly, and that that's what made him good competitor,
Speaker 1: get it done. Second, uh second, and the last player
Speaker 1: to ever win MVP. Oh, Lawrence Taylor. All right, there
Speaker 1: we go. That's crazy. Lawrence Taylor the second and Lewis
Speaker 1: I never won a regular season DOP and DYP Defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year or d O p Y. That's
Speaker 1: crazy that that's never happened. Yeah, I mean it's quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's a quarterback. That's a quarterback award. Yeah. Who, I mean,
Speaker 1: when's the who? What's the last quarterback that hasn't got it?
Speaker 1: We'll have to ask Jackie on the take a look
Speaker 1: right now? All right? They all said Carl Banks, which
Speaker 1: he was an absolute monster legend. Some people even say
Speaker 1: he was the best linebacker on the team. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean during that postseason running he kind of was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the last non QB to win the MVP was former
Speaker 1: guest Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson running twenty twelve and dangered species.
Speaker 1: The running back. I don't know. Have you seen Saquon Barkley, Dude,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that we'll see he's bringing it back. Dude, Well,
Speaker 1: we'll see. Talk about legs. You know about Bo Jackson's legs.
Speaker 1: Have you seen Saquon's leg? Quadzilla? Yeah, Quadzilla. They had
Speaker 1: the eighth ranked scoring offense led by mister Simms and
Speaker 1: All Pro tight end Mark Bavaro and running back Joe Morris.
Speaker 1: Second rank scoring defense defensive coordinator. Of course, Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: and his little schemes that I hope we get into.
Speaker 1: With old mister Simms, they had the nickname the Blue
Speaker 1: or the Big Blue Wrecking Crew. Yeah. And he got
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos who are eleven and five, first in
Speaker 1: the AFC West. They beat New England twenty two seventeen
Speaker 1: in the Divisional. They beat the Browns in the conference.
Speaker 1: The drive coach Dan Reeves. They had Elway, Gary Kubiak
Speaker 1: backup quarterback head coach. Yeah. And then you have Tom Jackson,
Speaker 1: Sammy Winder. Eighth ranked offense, eighteenth or fifteenth ranked defense sorry,
Speaker 1: led by all pros Carl Melcolmberg and I think that's
Speaker 1: why the Giants won and ruland Jones great d run
Speaker 1: and it was always fourth season. He was a scrambling man.
Speaker 1: I mean he was hard to get down. Hit a cannon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they said that he was like one of the highest
Speaker 1: projected draft quarterbacks in the history. For you the game,
Speaker 1: like when he came out, he was a non you
Speaker 1: would not miss if you got John Elway. And it's
Speaker 1: crazy to see how he got to the Denver Broncos,
Speaker 1: saying he was going to hold out to play for
Speaker 1: the Yankees because he was a two sport athlete. The
Speaker 1: guy was a stud. Yeah, that didn't end up happening,
Speaker 1: ended up with Denver Broncos, and uh the rest is history.
Speaker 1: And he was able to win them games and was
Speaker 1: clutching the playoffs with the drive. And that's we talked
Speaker 1: about what matters. That's why we're bringing Phil Simms here. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Elway was a he was a beast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolute beast. Let's get to the game. First half. Giants
Speaker 1: open up with the score on the first possession. They
Speaker 1: trade scores, Broncos miss cues and missed opportunities. They missed
Speaker 1: a twenty three yard field goal. Crazy to miss that
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl because I think he hit the
Speaker 1: longest one too right and missed the shortest. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hit forty eight yard which was tied for the longest,
Speaker 1: and then turned around and said the record missing the
Speaker 1: twenty three yarder twenty three. And he also missed a
Speaker 1: thirty four yarder, which is kind of a gimme. Elwa
Speaker 1: takes a safety. That's never good. Had a chance to
Speaker 1: go up seventeen to seven, but didn't. Not their best
Speaker 1: half by any means, but the Giants hung in there.
Speaker 1: They had a couple goal line stands, which was huge,
Speaker 1: and to go in at halftime only down one point
Speaker 1: with the miscues that the Giants had was pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: So probably confident Sims puts on a show. He's twenty
Speaker 1: two of twenty five three touchdowns, led five straight scoring
Speaker 1: drives in the second he couldn't miss his target. No,
Speaker 1: in the second, five straight scoring drives. Yeah, unbelievable, and
Speaker 1: they just pulled away. I mean you see that moment
Speaker 1: where like Elway just couldn't do shit in the second half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that defense was too hostile. It was amazing. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of good playmakers on that defense. So it was
Speaker 1: a rematch from earlier in the year with the Giants
Speaker 1: one nineteen sixteen, and they forced four turnovers in that one.
Speaker 1: Things we might have forgotten Neil Diamond did the National
Speaker 1: and Neil Diamond, that's he's a Boston guy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I've seen I've seen him at some I think
Speaker 1: it was a charity event. I mean they always play
Speaker 1: him at the Red Sox games, right, yeah, sweet Caroline, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they bugs the shit out of me. And seventh inning,
Speaker 1: right or is it seventh inning? Yep? Seventh or is
Speaker 1: it the eighth? Because anything is take me o too,
Speaker 1: and then we go after that usually we have. It's
Speaker 1: always amazing when you have a huge lead against the Yankees.
Speaker 1: You got them in there and they're pinstripes and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you started swinging, singing, sweet calve, how
Speaker 1: they find the world has never been so good? Hard
Speaker 1: hard up. Meanwhile, the Yankees are cotton eye Joe. Have
Speaker 1: you ever heard that one? No? Where did you come from?
Speaker 1: Where'd you go? Where did you come from? God? Ni Joe,
Speaker 1: you've never seen that one? Brutal? Yeah, that's pretty forgettable
Speaker 1: almost forgettable halftime show is George Burns, Mickey Rooney. This
Speaker 1: is this is old school that you have comedians doing.
Speaker 1: You have a comedian George and George Burns have that
Speaker 1: famous joke and it only takes one drink to get
Speaker 1: me drunk. The trouble is, I can't remember if it's
Speaker 1: the thirteenth or fourteenth. That's a that's some classic joke, right,
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I don't I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know George Burns. I don't know him that one.
Speaker 1: You know his face if you see him, if I
Speaker 1: saw him, yeah, you know it is. See, you're starting
Speaker 1: to get me more and more, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: not know, No, you know the name, but the face.
Speaker 1: Oh you know that guy? Yeah, I see, I've seen
Speaker 1: that future classic. Yeah, that's like one hundred. He's around
Speaker 1: smoking cigars, living to one hundred. What old school man,
Speaker 1: that's just good jeans. Yeah. Uh. The first, the first
Speaker 1: gatorade shower in Super Bowl history and the first I'm
Speaker 1: going to disney Land. I'm going to disney World. Where
Speaker 1: are you going, Phil Simms, I'm going to disney World. Yeah,
Speaker 1: first one of those two. That's pretty epic. It is
Speaker 1: because you think of that as every year now and
Speaker 1: you think of the you said, I'm going to Disney World.
Speaker 1: I said it a couple of times, and and the
Speaker 1: almost it the Golden Shower, the Gatorade shower. It was
Speaker 1: not the Golden Shower. It was not, but it could be.
Speaker 1: Could have been lemon lime, could have been lemon lime.
Speaker 1: It's kind of close. Depends. That's that's I always liked
Speaker 1: lemon lime or fruit punch. I like the ridge kind
Speaker 1: of mind too. Although the blue is pretty good too.
Speaker 1: And they have an ice one. There's like some ice flavor. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's like a blue ice, light blue, pretty delicious.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, you would win ship from Gatorade.
Speaker 1: They would have the glass Gatorade bottles and they would
Speaker 1: have prizes under the cap here. He was a great hack.
Speaker 1: Lemon ice was the clear flavor. You could just straight
Speaker 1: up look under and see if you want. So, I
Speaker 1: just always win. I remember those two. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it didn't. It didn't. It wasn't better than the
Speaker 1: McDonald's monopoly Dude that I was like a fat kid
Speaker 1: because of that game. I had tits because of that
Speaker 1: fucking because I thought I was gonna get boardwalk, and
Speaker 1: I was. I was stuck on park Place like a
Speaker 1: degenerate gambler. It was terrible. I wonder if they did
Speaker 1: it like regionally, like there's like one Broadway over here,
Speaker 1: one park Place in like New Hampshire, because I had
Speaker 1: dreamed I remember dreaming about that watching blank Check that
Speaker 1: remember that movie blank Check. I'm gonna win. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get boardwalk in park Place or whatever it was. They
Speaker 1: were really raising like the most unhealthy kids because you're
Speaker 1: a gambler and you're eating McDonald's, just you're raising disgusting people.
Speaker 1: That was me, I mean that was America. I was
Speaker 1: all in on it, dude. And then you'd be like
Speaker 1: fucking you know, oh, he'd be like Atlantic Avenue, Who
Speaker 1: gives shit? What are the bad ones? Like Railroad? Yeah,
Speaker 1: railroad that hurt. Let me get two hundred dollars for gas?
Speaker 1: What was? What was? What were the really bad ones
Speaker 1: with like the shittiest the Reds. The Reds were okay
Speaker 1: I'm talking. I'm thinking like the like Kentucky Avenue, Yeah, no, good,
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Avenue, Cares, Tennessee Avenue, Virginia Avenue, yeah, Avenue, Mediterranean
Speaker 1: Avenue Mediterranean. They get weird of everything, throwing like oriental
Speaker 1: and you're like, wait a second, who made this game?
Speaker 1: Bunch of racists? The Gaming Corner presented by wind Bet.
Speaker 1: Uh So, the Giants were nine point five and they
Speaker 1: covered minus nine and a half points. Yeah, yikes, over
Speaker 1: and under forty one points that went over. I mean
Speaker 1: they just crush them in the second half. They never
Speaker 1: look back. I mean I bet you a lot of
Speaker 1: gamblers got heard on this one. Yeah, because nine and
Speaker 1: a half points in a super I don't care who
Speaker 1: you got, you got the Giants. See, I'm a new
Speaker 1: g I'm still new to this, so actually I should
Speaker 1: just keep my mouth shut. Well what should we do?
Speaker 1: What should our bet be with sims? How about how
Speaker 1: about if we say how many times we can say
Speaker 1: the New York Football Giants. I mean it's like just
Speaker 1: the classic word we have to the New York Football Giants.
Speaker 1: We're gonna set the line up. What are you thinking, Jack,
Speaker 1: what do you think we can hit? I think five
Speaker 1: and a half sounds reasonable. Five and a half that's
Speaker 1: not that many we could definitely that's easy, I mean
Speaker 1: easily do five and a half. Yeah, I would take
Speaker 1: the we'll see, we'll see what the listeners think. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll get it, maybe we won't. All right, well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have Phil Sims in the studio joining us. Excited,
Speaker 1: rare to get a guy in the studio. But it is,
Speaker 1: you know, we're still we're still like breakfasting COVID. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but until then, let's take a quick break. You know,
Speaker 1: there's two times of Pro Bowl that ship bothers me.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, just ship.
Speaker 1: But you know, guys make so many Pro Bowls now
Speaker 1: because the first seven quarterbacks pull out. I mean, yeah, Phil,
Speaker 1: I should have said, yes, you should have. I didn't
Speaker 1: because every time you were competing for Super Bowls. Well.
Speaker 1: The other thing is too, the Pro Bowl was scary. Well,
Speaker 1: they used to hit. It was scary. Here's the play call.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, I'm gonna get rid of it quick.
Speaker 1: Please protect me. Here's the play. I'm not exaggerating because
Speaker 1: it was Did people get injured in the Pro Bowl back?
Speaker 1: Oh no, but it was killed the quarterback. You think
Speaker 1: they were gonna tay cared if the running back ran
Speaker 1: through there. They wanted to get Sacks and that was it. So,
Speaker 1: mister Simms, are you are you trying to? Are sorry? Phil?
Speaker 1: Phil where you can call me mister Shims? All right,
Speaker 1: you let me know. Okay, do you ever think you
Speaker 1: got up roughing the passer call? You know, I don't
Speaker 1: don't remember roughing the past or being a you know,
Speaker 1: something you could throw a flag on. I'm sure I did,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember it. Yeah, I just don't remember
Speaker 1: roughing the past or being part of the game. And
Speaker 1: sometimes every once in a while go buy a TV
Speaker 1: and I see an old game of ours and I
Speaker 1: look up there and I just laugh, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: the wonder I'm beat up? No, but you know it's
Speaker 1: really it was just a different era. Nobody thought anything
Speaker 1: about it, you know. So that's why he's tough, and
Speaker 1: that's why you feel the toughness off of Phil Sims
Speaker 1: when you're working with him every week Tuesday on Inside
Speaker 1: the NFL streaming on Paramount Plus. And let's welcome mister
Speaker 1: Philip Sims from Kentucky. Yes, this is Sam Rew, my
Speaker 1: co host talk to you. I'm Julian Kentucky man. That's
Speaker 1: like mister Kentucky, mister Kentucky. What do you mean? It's
Speaker 1: like what I love Kentucky? What's you talking about? Bourbon? Country?
Speaker 1: About a bourbon? Yeah, and everybody thinks I'm a bourbon drinker.
Speaker 1: I don't like Bourbon's too sweet. Not a big drinker.
Speaker 1: But well, if you do drink, what is it? What's
Speaker 1: your god to? I like to get there quick? Crystal
Speaker 1: crystal meth? That's no. Well no, well it tastes terrible,
Speaker 1: but I feel better. Yeah, no, yeah, that's that's one
Speaker 1: thing comes with age. Yeah, you don't mind a cocktail
Speaker 1: at night every once in a while, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: So what's what's the cocktail thing that you do? Like? Vodka? Baka?
Speaker 1: All right, well before we start, Yeah, well, mister Sims, Phil,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to call you now. Now I
Speaker 1: feel the nervous I feel like we're on the same
Speaker 1: you know. Wait, just do what you always do, mister Shim.
Speaker 1: I'll call you miss mister Shim. Mister Shim. Yeah, Well
Speaker 1: go ahead, so you know, before we start, we got
Speaker 1: your little accolades here, seventh overall pick in the nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy nine draft. Yeah, that went over well with the
Speaker 1: giant fans, did it? Yeah, oh yeah. Were they pissed?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do they want? Well, I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: back then, Thank god, you and everybody wasn't out there
Speaker 1: going over every player, so the fans really didn't know
Speaker 1: the players. I wasn't surprised. I went seventh, the seventh pick,
Speaker 1: and it was talking you going earlier. Uh no, I
Speaker 1: think I knew all the teams that were gonna probably
Speaker 1: draft me, and I knew the Giant said. They basically
Speaker 1: said two weeks for the we're taking you. And they
Speaker 1: told my coach that too. From Morehead State. Yeah no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know from Morehead State. Moorhead State. Fun Fact is
Speaker 1: named after a man pleading with his Jewish wife. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: this is a podcast. He's a two time super Bowl champ,
Speaker 1: a super Bowl MVP, and like, you see we got
Speaker 1: something in common. But you were the first to do
Speaker 1: the Disney commercial, right, I was, did you get to
Speaker 1: do it too? I did it twice? Oh, you did
Speaker 1: it twice. I did for you twice. Yeah, I did it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what am I doing here? But
Speaker 1: you know, walking across the field, I'm going and I
Speaker 1: just was embarrassed because it's a football game. I just
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. We're old school. You are too,
Speaker 1: and I just said, what are we doing here? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just not right. But I'm glad I did it
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons. You started the trend. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was great. Were you nervous? I mean, coming out of
Speaker 1: Kentucky coming to New York City in the eighties, was
Speaker 1: that at all? Like such a big market. I guess
Speaker 1: they hadn't won it ever, they never won a super
Speaker 1: Bowl right at that point. No, they hadn't, But no,
Speaker 1: they won a lot of championships back in the old
Speaker 1: days in the fifties. But no, I wasn't nervous about
Speaker 1: coming up. You know, people always ask me those kind
Speaker 1: of questions, which I understand. I played at Morehead State
Speaker 1: and my favorite games when we were away and we
Speaker 1: were at homecoming because everybody picked us for our homecoming team.
Speaker 1: You know what, we want to win, let's play Morehead State.
Speaker 1: But the great thing is there was a crowd there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so, I mean I love the fact having
Speaker 1: a crowd, and sometimes they would chant my name, like
Speaker 1: kill Sims. I'm like, man, I must be really doing
Speaker 1: pretty good. But yeah, I wasn't nervous and Jill's you
Speaker 1: know this too, the football field. It doesn't matter where
Speaker 1: it is or whatever, it's the same. Yeah, And you know,
Speaker 1: how did you adapt from small college to this, I
Speaker 1: don't know. You know, after a few practices you get
Speaker 1: the hang of it. You have no choice how they
Speaker 1: replace you. Yeah, well don't that. You just kind of adjust,
Speaker 1: you go. Oh, I threw that pass and the linebacker
Speaker 1: picked it off, which I've never seen before. So the
Speaker 1: next time, I said, I got to be a little
Speaker 1: more paying more attention whatever, see it differently. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, I felt like even my rookie year, you
Speaker 1: kind of pick up with the talent and go from there. Well,
Speaker 1: there's always like a defining play when you're a younger
Speaker 1: person or a rookie in the league. Like for me,
Speaker 1: it was when I ran a punt back in the preseason.
Speaker 1: Then I was like, all right, I could play with
Speaker 1: these guys. Yeah, there's always one defining moment like it
Speaker 1: could have been the next time you threw that cover
Speaker 1: two with the linebacker not picking it. You're like, all right,
Speaker 1: I just got to not make the same mistake twice, right,
Speaker 1: you know, So that there's always that one play that
Speaker 1: always defines. All right, give you that I got. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my would be this. I didn't play in our first
Speaker 1: preseason game with the Giants. They wanted to hold me out,
Speaker 1: give me another week of practice. So we go down
Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh. Well, okay, Pittsburgh's are on their way to
Speaker 1: win in their fourth Super Bowl that year, and they
Speaker 1: decided me to play in Three Rivers Stadium. And I
Speaker 1: get under the center and go, there's Joe Green, there's Elsie.
Speaker 1: I can't. I mean, it was unbelievable. It was eight
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers and I'm looking at him going, you
Speaker 1: know it was something else. They want to rip your
Speaker 1: head off. Yeah, I mean I got great stories about
Speaker 1: that game. But there's me and Joe Green. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's stalk the game. I need some autographs. You know,
Speaker 1: all these guys that I idolized, Terry Bradshaw growing up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there I was playing against him, you know, so
Speaker 1: it was really did he say anything? Like after the game,
Speaker 1: you ever say anything to you when you were young? No,
Speaker 1: I didn't get to talk to him after that game.
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Green said something to me. We talked
Speaker 1: for a second and all that. And then eight years
Speaker 1: later we had won the Super Bowl and we're playing there.
Speaker 1: He's a coach with the Steelers, and he comes over
Speaker 1: and grabs me and goes, my, boy, you've grown up.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, you remember we played. It
Speaker 1: was really cool. He was he's probably a charmer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, of course he
Speaker 1: was a one of the greatest defensive linemen in history.
Speaker 1: But it was pretty cool to play against him and
Speaker 1: then have him say that too many years later, so
Speaker 1: at least I must have done well. I did throw
Speaker 1: an interception for a touchdown to them for about eighty
Speaker 1: yards that night, but I think that's when it I
Speaker 1: realized I could play. Yeah, because practice and all that
Speaker 1: and down there. It wasn't like a great statistical game
Speaker 1: or anything. Like my dad drove up from Louisville, Kentucky
Speaker 1: with my mom and after the game he goes, I
Speaker 1: don't know, guy, just say. He goes, boy, I think
Speaker 1: that's the best I've ever seen you play. And I
Speaker 1: didn't do anything, really, but I think he just was
Speaker 1: worried about my transition from college to the pros. How's
Speaker 1: it going to look? Yeah, And he's like, oh, it's okay.
Speaker 1: You can he'll survive? Yeah, that's cool. Well it was cool.
Speaker 1: You know, we came here because this is called games
Speaker 1: with Names, Right, we're on the search for the best
Speaker 1: games of all time. Super Bowl twenty one, which was
Speaker 1: the kickstart to the New York Football Giants and the
Speaker 1: New York Football Giants' success going forward. You were a
Speaker 1: huge part of that. Some people say you had the
Speaker 1: best game in Super Bowl history for a quarterback. But
Speaker 1: what was nineteen eighty seven? Like, what was it was?
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty seven? I was one years old, so I
Speaker 1: can't remember one. We were one. We were one. But
Speaker 1: you were in the heat of it. You were in
Speaker 1: the prime of your life. Well, I thought you were
Speaker 1: talking about the eighty seven season after the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: What was like life like, mister Simms? Just walking down
Speaker 1: you know, Broadway, starting quarterback of the New York Football Giants,
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out with LT going golfing, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: what was it like? It's nothing like you think it
Speaker 1: was nothing? Well, I don't know. It wasn't glamorous. I
Speaker 1: mean I think that was when the fans kind of
Speaker 1: went all right, we'll to hang around a few more years.
Speaker 1: You know. It was tough. You know, I had a
Speaker 1: lot of tough years, and you know, we had tough
Speaker 1: outings in a couple of playoff games or years before that.
Speaker 1: But for it to all come together and you know,
Speaker 1: my god, you were on many Super Bowl teams. It
Speaker 1: just it's amazing how I just kind of rolls and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you go, wow, we really got
Speaker 1: a chance big time to win all this, and I
Speaker 1: think we realized that late in that year. But we
Speaker 1: just whenever the plays had to be made or anything big,
Speaker 1: we always came through. And that's you know, kind of
Speaker 1: I know, you know that sensation, but you get confident,
Speaker 1: you believe in everything. And and I think the biggest
Speaker 1: thing too, I learned from Bill Parcells many things, but
Speaker 1: when you're out there playing, don't ever think about winning
Speaker 1: and lose and just do it, man, pay attention to
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And when I did that, I usually
Speaker 1: played pretty well. Well. You had you talked about going
Speaker 1: against this scary Pittsburgh defense when you're young, but I mean,
Speaker 1: now you have this defense behind you, like Lt. Carl Bunks,
Speaker 1: like these are dudes you don't want to go again. Well,
Speaker 1: we were loaded. Yeah, gosh, I havem throw an interception
Speaker 1: which I wasn't afraid to throw them, and I would
Speaker 1: be walking off the field and Lawrence Taylor literally would
Speaker 1: go by, don't worry, We'll get it back for you
Speaker 1: in better position. And I'd go, okay, like take the
Speaker 1: steam off of it. It was great, you know, I
Speaker 1: would feel but it was kind of true. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: we'd get turnovers, they would make plays and even though
Speaker 1: we'd mess it up, we'd get good field position, give
Speaker 1: us another chance. But our defense, we played to it.
Speaker 1: They were great. And of course you've said some of
Speaker 1: those names. Man, we had a lot of good players.
Speaker 1: Of course, you have to to win Super Bowls. There's
Speaker 1: actually talks about when you were coming out from Morehead
Speaker 1: State that Bill Walsh came down. Yeah, talk to you.
Speaker 1: I remember you talking about something like that, and that
Speaker 1: he was actually more interested in getting you than Montana. Well,
Speaker 1: he got Joe Montana. He didn't get me in the
Speaker 1: first round. He had to do with Joe Montana in
Speaker 1: the third round. Yeah. I feel bad for him, man,
Speaker 1: but it was one of the greatest experience. It was
Speaker 1: a great experience him. He came down twice. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 1: we threw and so every I did back then, there
Speaker 1: wasn't no what was a combine just for injuries. But
Speaker 1: every team wanted to see your workout. So I probably
Speaker 1: did at least twenty workouts that off season, and Bill
Speaker 1: wash came down. Everybody wanted to see the same thing.
Speaker 1: Let it go, just throw it, so man, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do it. And I'd have like seven receivers out
Speaker 1: there and throw it as hard as I could throw it.
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh is there. I start throwing it. I'm crushing
Speaker 1: the ball. You know, it's coming out of my hand.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I am ripping it today. He goes,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And I go, well, what isn't
Speaker 1: this what you want to see? He goes, I don't
Speaker 1: want to know, and then he went to you know
Speaker 1: the Bill Wash, No, I want you to be graceful,
Speaker 1: try to be pretty. They actually said this, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking for all I know. He goes, just I want
Speaker 1: it to be great, just let it and relax and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and so I kind of over. He
Speaker 1: goes softer. He's really going behind me, going softer, and
Speaker 1: I just kept Oh, that's it, and I the opposite
Speaker 1: of a woman. Oh this guy's oh my god. But
Speaker 1: I'm just going who what is going on? And then
Speaker 1: the workout's over. The second time, he goes to me,
Speaker 1: all right, here you go. I'm gonna draft you. I
Speaker 1: want you out there the next morning. We're going to
Speaker 1: work and you're gonna lead the NFL and passing. You're
Speaker 1: gonna lead him in this, You're gonna lead him in touch.
Speaker 1: And I'm standing and he goes, you know, I guess
Speaker 1: I gotta look on my face. He goes, well, you
Speaker 1: don't believe me. I go, yeah, I believe he coach.
Speaker 1: Then he starts naming off every quarterback he's ever had
Speaker 1: won all the passing titles, which is true. And I
Speaker 1: was pretty excited about it. I go, oh man, this
Speaker 1: will be great to play for him, go to San
Speaker 1: Francisco and all that. But well we know it didn't
Speaker 1: work out. Yeah, so but it worked out for both
Speaker 1: of you. Well worked out for Joe Montana too, That's
Speaker 1: for sure. Joe was the perfect quarterback for him. He
Speaker 1: was the first quarterback that I used to watch and go, god,
Speaker 1: he is pretty Yeah, it's great feet and you know,
Speaker 1: i'd watch film and see them playing, I'd go, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, he hits like ten in a row every game,
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna look so easy for the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers because they were ahead of their time almost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just spreading West Coast offense. As Bill Walsh
Speaker 1: would say, third and ten, if the guy five years
Speaker 1: five yards down the field is open, throw it to him.
Speaker 1: If he gets tackled, don't worry. We'll get a better
Speaker 1: player next year to break the tackle running catch. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was really just keep throwing it, let him catch it,
Speaker 1: and let's see what happens. So miss, what's the best
Speaker 1: parcels story you have that you have never told? Oh? Never,
Speaker 1: I've told him all. I don't know. You know, he
Speaker 1: was great, not great, many things. Of course, he yelled
Speaker 1: at me a lot. Yeah. Year he yelled back at
Speaker 1: him all the time we were allowed to yell back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would yell at me, you know, and it was
Speaker 1: all kind of orchestrated. You know. He knew he was
Speaker 1: going to do it, Sims, you know, and he would
Speaker 1: really like yell and sometimes they just keep going on go.
Speaker 1: You know. I could literally turn to him and go
Speaker 1: shut up, Holy Christ, all you do is and he'd goes,
Speaker 1: oh are you man at me, and you know, and
Speaker 1: I tell people these stories, they don't believe it. But
Speaker 1: he was unbelievable that way. He yelled at you, and
Speaker 1: then he would allow you to yell back if you
Speaker 1: knew the situation was right, and everybody in the team
Speaker 1: would laugh because yeah, get them Bill, you know. And
Speaker 1: but it was his way of sending a message to
Speaker 1: the whole team through players, and he was great at that.
Speaker 1: He was the greatest manipulator of people I've ever been
Speaker 1: around in my life for a while. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: would yell, simps, come here during the game, come here.
Speaker 1: I'd throw an interception and I'd go, oh yeah, I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just want to know, are you watching the same
Speaker 1: game I'm watching? Man, I go, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: I just keep walking. But the things we said to
Speaker 1: each other during games, you know, I'm not proud of
Speaker 1: it at all. I really am not. But I never
Speaker 1: got in arguments with him or all this stuff. Would
Speaker 1: not always knowing he's the man. Yeah, I knew I
Speaker 1: was talking to the guy that's running the organization and
Speaker 1: had a lot of power. And he scared me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, what about a little bit, what about like
Speaker 1: young Belichick. Well, oh my gosh, I could tell some
Speaker 1: stories about him, but whatever. You know. I remember I
Speaker 1: would stay late every night, and some nights i'd stay
Speaker 1: really late because I wanted to get all the work,
Speaker 1: you know, I was, I want to do all the
Speaker 1: work on Wednesday. Yeah, when I come in Thursday, I
Speaker 1: want it to be over now. I'm just whatever. And
Speaker 1: I would walk by the coaches room. It would be
Speaker 1: nine o'clock at night, and there would be Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: with Al grow riding their stationary bikes with rubber suits on,
Speaker 1: just sweating and ruining the machines. And they got a clicker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're talking. I'd see him and I go and
Speaker 1: I just go, guys are crazy, just but that was him. Wow.
Speaker 1: You know he did it thirty years later when I
Speaker 1: went in there o'clock in an off season on the
Speaker 1: treadmill with this little sweat jacket that they cut. You know,
Speaker 1: they started all that at the Giants. It's so funny
Speaker 1: to hear. There was a Belichick story at this Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: After you, guys, wont it do you remember this? He
Speaker 1: went on the field to really take it all in,
Speaker 1: and then he tried to get back to the locker
Speaker 1: room and they wouldn't let him back in. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that. It's crazy, he tells you. I'm
Speaker 1: right right. That's you'll fact check that, Jack, But I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure I'm Ron. Well, even when he was with us,
Speaker 1: they were calling him boy genius. Yeah, And I don't
Speaker 1: know if they meant it in a complimentary way. You know,
Speaker 1: he just was so studious and worked so hard. You know,
Speaker 1: the players he gave him such great information and all
Speaker 1: that that they oh, boy genius. And you know Bill was.
Speaker 1: He really didn't change all his years coming with up
Speaker 1: the New England and everything. He was still the same
Speaker 1: guy that coached you know, our defense through all those years,
Speaker 1: Indian Romeo Creneal there as well. Yeah, Romeo Canal al grow,
Speaker 1: Charlie Weiss. Shoot who else? We had? Tom Coughlin, Tommy Cofflin.
Speaker 1: You know, I look at some of our pictures team
Speaker 1: photos and go, yeah, coach, you might have had something
Speaker 1: to do with us when he I mean, we had
Speaker 1: an all star coaching staff, which I think you always
Speaker 1: kind of need. Coffinly got no respect he really deserved
Speaker 1: up until he won too. That was a classic thing
Speaker 1: where like he was going to get fired the year
Speaker 1: he won the first one with the Giants. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were close. In fact, I think it came down
Speaker 1: to the last game of the year. They beat Buffalo
Speaker 1: in Buffalo got some breaks otherwise it could have been trouble.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's always a story out here.
Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated with LT because he's just maybe the
Speaker 1: best ever on defense. Well, he was bigger than life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he was his rookie year. We had a scrimmage.
Speaker 1: They had to take him out after like ten plays.
Speaker 1: Couldn't scrimmage, had to take him out. He was sack
Speaker 1: in quarterback every play, and I go, God, this guy's
Speaker 1: really who everything they said he was? Yeah, but for real,
Speaker 1: I think he had six sacks and ten plays. They said,
Speaker 1: get him out. We can't judge anybody. Is it true
Speaker 1: that he was sending prostitutes to the opposing team's hotel
Speaker 1: rooms to tire them out for the next day. Well,
Speaker 1: I've heard all those stories. I didn't know that. I
Speaker 1: can't even listen. I know this is a podcast all this.
Speaker 1: I still can't tell you some of the Lawrence Taylor stories,
Speaker 1: but they they're endless and they're hilarious. I gotta leave
Speaker 1: it at that. But he was a savant. I mean
Speaker 1: he was. I heard stories that he would be uh
Speaker 1: sleeping through certain team meetings and then they'd wake him
Speaker 1: up and he'd know every place. Yes, that's true. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's all true. He was a great athlete. There was
Speaker 1: nothing we ever played it he wouldn't good at. We
Speaker 1: played basketball, you know, he picks up golf, became a
Speaker 1: one or two handicap after you know nine. He plays
Speaker 1: about five hundred rounds of golf a year. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he was really good at everything, and there was
Speaker 1: nothing he couldn't do. So Lawrence, you know, we had
Speaker 1: a basketball go outside our locker room and I was
Speaker 1: shooting one day. Oh, come here, shoot you know better?
Speaker 1: He goes. I said, I bet you can't make ten
Speaker 1: in a row. Oh, I'll bet you whatever you want. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, making ten in a row it's tough. You
Speaker 1: can hit eight and just oh you miss it? He goes,
Speaker 1: all right, don't moore nothing. Sure more time. I said, look,
Speaker 1: this is no fund seas. I want to be paid
Speaker 1: when this is over. And he would just we go
Speaker 1: in the stadium onths he goes, I can take this
Speaker 1: club and hit it out of the stadium. I said, no,
Speaker 1: you can't. He goes, So of course we bet, we
Speaker 1: bet on everything. And he goes out there and swings
Speaker 1: hits the ball. It's going around all the suites. I'm like,
Speaker 1: and of course he didn't hit it out. Then he
Speaker 1: says to me, I'm throwing the ball once. I can
Speaker 1: throw it in the second tier. I said, no, you can't.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a seventy yard throw up up and
Speaker 1: he goes. So he throws two or three, and we're
Speaker 1: of course wagering, and it just keeps going double or nothing.
Speaker 1: And I said again, I went in. He took his
Speaker 1: care a lot of cash. He takes it and throws
Speaker 1: down the ground. Oh, I'm so embarrassed. I'll have to
Speaker 1: pick it up. But yeah, so there was nothing Lawrence
Speaker 1: didn't think he could. He could, he could do and
Speaker 1: do it really well. So we took advantage of that opportunity.
Speaker 1: The stories could go forever. Oh, he can go forever.
Speaker 1: It's uh. I wish I could tell. I went down
Speaker 1: a golfing trip or down to South Jersey to play
Speaker 1: with me, him and Jim Burt and we're gonna play
Speaker 1: with some officials down there and some giant officials. And
Speaker 1: Lawrence goes, I said, I'll drive. Lawrence goes, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm driving. I'll go. Oh my god, I don't want
Speaker 1: to let him drive. First, take a breathalyzer. Well no,
Speaker 1: he was okay there. So I look at Jim Burt,
Speaker 1: who was our nose tackle. I said, I'm in the back.
Speaker 1: He goes, no, you're not. You're in the front. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in the back. You know. He's like, so we're
Speaker 1: flying down the turnpike. It's really I'm sitting there at
Speaker 1: Oh my god, slow down. We're doing like ninety to
Speaker 1: one hundred. A cop, a policeman pulls up besides us
Speaker 1: and goes on his micro slow down, you know, rubber,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think he recognized Lawrence. And Lawrence goes, oh,
Speaker 1: got it. You know. The cop takes off the policeman.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say whatever, and he gets whatever. Lawrence floors
Speaker 1: again it's Lawrence. Oh he won't come back, and it
Speaker 1: just and we that was well, I don't know what
Speaker 1: to say. The stories don't do justice. Dipping he was dipping,
Speaker 1: and so he threw his dip out the window. He
Speaker 1: goes like this and he throws it and we hear
Speaker 1: ding ding ding. His ring came off and lost it
Speaker 1: out in the road. He lost his Super Bowl now
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl ring. It was a ring with
Speaker 1: lots of jewelry in it. Oh okay, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Oh my god, oh god, Well let's get
Speaker 1: let's let's get to the lead up of Super Bowl
Speaker 1: twenty one NFC Championship the Wind Bowl. Oh what was
Speaker 1: that like? You're playing Joe Gibbs and the Washington Redskins
Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, what's it like? You dream of
Speaker 1: playing in the championship game? Right? Yeah? And I jog
Speaker 1: out in the field and I literally couldn't hally run
Speaker 1: into the wind. It was so strong. And I go,
Speaker 1: I finally get here, and this is what I got playing,
Speaker 1: Like we what are we talking? Like? Thirty mile hour
Speaker 1: gusts forty two miles an out, forty two miles in
Speaker 1: the game time, it was forty two miles an out. Wow.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you ever look at the game,
Speaker 1: there's stuff blowing everywhere the whole game, and it was
Speaker 1: I thought it was brutal. And the great thing, you know, coaches,
Speaker 1: it's never an accident. We win the toss or I
Speaker 1: can't remember, Yeah, we win the tos offended. We defended
Speaker 1: a goal and now who would think of that? Bill Goes,
Speaker 1: I want to get on He didn't say, he goes,
Speaker 1: I just want to get on top. First. We scored first.
Speaker 1: We got him, you know, and the Washington Redskins at
Speaker 1: the time, they made a huge mistake. We kicked the
Speaker 1: field goal on our first tribe. It was third and long.
Speaker 1: We had a penalty and we had to kick another
Speaker 1: long field goal. Joe Gibbs accepted it to take us
Speaker 1: out of field goal range. He thought, well the next playoff,
Speaker 1: threw it down the middle for a huge game, got
Speaker 1: a first down and we drove down and scored and
Speaker 1: literally that was the game was over in the first quarter.
Speaker 1: Those those games people don't realize are like game changing.
Speaker 1: In twenty thirteen, we played remember the Cleveland game where
Speaker 1: we came back and build we uh in overtime. We
Speaker 1: are we elected, or it was Denver we elected to
Speaker 1: defend a certain goal because it had the wind in
Speaker 1: the back of it so you could get the field goal.
Speaker 1: And everyone you know, was shaking their head what's Belichick doing?
Speaker 1: This guy's we ended up winning the game like that.
Speaker 1: No one could throw into that side of the wind. No,
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, it's it's it comes and it roots from,
Speaker 1: you know, the Giants experience, I bet, because Bill doesn't
Speaker 1: forget anything anything and parcels. We were extremely uh what's
Speaker 1: the word for it? Careful. If it was fourth and
Speaker 1: two inches, we punted, you know today, I mean it
Speaker 1: literally could be this much. Punt it. Let the defense
Speaker 1: get it. We'll get it back here, you know. And
Speaker 1: when he had that defense too, well that had a
Speaker 1: lot to do it. It was just a time of
Speaker 1: everything too. But we ran fake field goals, flea flickers,
Speaker 1: we did everything. A flea flicker in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: well we did a flea flicker went forward on fourth,
Speaker 1: you know. And that play was extremely complicated, to believe
Speaker 1: it or not. When Jeff Rutlers runs a sneak, we
Speaker 1: had seven plays. He had to check into the right
Speaker 1: play and it could be it was like called it, Oh,
Speaker 1: what's it? A rappa hole? I run a pass a
Speaker 1: hit on the enemy. Yeah, that's what it was. And
Speaker 1: he had to pick which play and it was a
Speaker 1: quarterback sneak because they didn't put a guy over the guard. Wow,
Speaker 1: but we gambled a lot, and I swear they I
Speaker 1: can't remember where when he made a gamble that we
Speaker 1: didn't make it. So he had a bill, had a
Speaker 1: great feel parcels, had a great feel for when to
Speaker 1: do those and a plan when to do those situational plays.
Speaker 1: Probably like they went into you know, the game with
Speaker 1: that potential situation to happen. They three or four plays
Speaker 1: waiting for it. Yeah, and you gotta have a plan
Speaker 1: when you go on those. I can hear him, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be aggressive, and I kind of knew that meant
Speaker 1: we're gonna really throw it and we're really gonna take chances,
Speaker 1: which we normally didn't do. Yeah, Yeah, that was great.
Speaker 1: I mean he did it in the Super Bowl, the
Speaker 1: fleet flicker, the fourth down. You know, he was awesome
Speaker 1: at making those decisions, especially during big moments when people
Speaker 1: were getting tight. So now, you guys clearly played Denver
Speaker 1: Broncos lway in the Broncos. What about what did you
Speaker 1: when you guys, did you guys play before them in
Speaker 1: the play them during the regular season? No, in the
Speaker 1: championship weekend? Did you guys play. We were second. You
Speaker 1: were second, so you knew the drive happened. You knew
Speaker 1: that they beat the Browns, and you knew going into
Speaker 1: the wind Bowl that you were going to play the potential. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were in the locker room going out to play
Speaker 1: the game. That game was still going on at the
Speaker 1: very end. He was starting to drive, and I remember
Speaker 1: looking up there and going, you know, I knew Denver.
Speaker 1: We played them during the season. I'd played Cleveland the
Speaker 1: two years before that twice, and I go, Goda, hope
Speaker 1: Denver wins because Cleveland's defense was a big paint in
Speaker 1: the you know what. So I didn't know until we
Speaker 1: got out in the field and we're I think we
Speaker 1: were just kind of warming up. They'd get ready to
Speaker 1: kick off the coin toss all that, and I heard
Speaker 1: Denver one and I remember just going, good, we match
Speaker 1: up better against Denver. That's all I remember thinking about that. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: So then Super Bowl week comes. You guys have a
Speaker 1: bye week. Mm hm, you had you had the extra week.
Speaker 1: We had the week in between. Yeah, so we got
Speaker 1: three days off, which was really uncommon, uncommon, and then
Speaker 1: we came down and practice on Thursday, and it was
Speaker 1: a little shaky, and it was it was more than shaky.
Speaker 1: It was just I just remember getting destroyed. Yeah, Parcels
Speaker 1: was Sims. I'll ever give you any days all there,
Speaker 1: you know it was, and it was bad. It was
Speaker 1: too many days off. You think, you know, we'll practice
Speaker 1: against our defense. It sounds like we're gonna go out
Speaker 1: there and tear it up every day. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: just remember how he was. I couldn't here. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: getting ready to go to the Super Bowl a couple
Speaker 1: of days later, And all I could do is I
Speaker 1: was nervous as heck because I know the practice was
Speaker 1: as bad and he was brutal. Nothing changes, he lived
Speaker 1: it all. Practice was the most important thing of our life.
Speaker 1: And this is the most important day. And if it's
Speaker 1: not perfect, and it was, you walk into the building
Speaker 1: at eight o'clock in the morning, or I'd get there
Speaker 1: about seven thirty for my first eight o'clock meeting, and
Speaker 1: I would get nervous worrying about practice. Damn, Yes, Parcels Sims,
Speaker 1: I mean, best as you complete yesterday in practice. Did
Speaker 1: he ever give you like positive encouragement to like, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes yeah, privately you know, Shims, I'm imitating him. He goes,
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of you, son, You're doing well, you're
Speaker 1: leading the team. You're just I'm just proud of you.
Speaker 1: Just want you to know today on the practice field,
Speaker 1: I want to tear into you right around. I go,
Speaker 1: can't we wait till we get He goes, Oh, come on,
Speaker 1: I gotta get I gotta teach these other well I
Speaker 1: can say it. He goes, these other assholes got to
Speaker 1: see something. I gotta get through to them. So I'm
Speaker 1: gomost to yell at you and true to form no
Speaker 1: matter how practice is going. If I'm do any completion,
Speaker 1: he'd throw his papers up in the air and go
Speaker 1: through these anneks and just start ripping me. And I
Speaker 1: have to stand there like this and take it. And
Speaker 1: all the team's laughing, yeah, getting Bill's that's such a
Speaker 1: great abusive relationship that in private he's like, I love
Speaker 1: your son, and then the second yar out there, he's like,
Speaker 1: your garbage. Oh well, He's yelling at the offensive line
Speaker 1: one day, just crushing them, and I'm standing behind him,
Speaker 1: going get them because I was getting hit way too
Speaker 1: much in the games. And he goes, and then of
Speaker 1: course he gets done yelling and he turns around and
Speaker 1: goes and it's your fault, and I go, of course,
Speaker 1: it's my fault. I'm f and Sims. I was never
Speaker 1: you know, he called me f and Sims. I'm just
Speaker 1: fucking Sims. Absolutely fucking Sims. You're killing me. But he
Speaker 1: would blame me, and I go, well, what did I do?
Speaker 1: He goes, well, now you're there, buddy, take them out
Speaker 1: to dinner, Sims. Buy him some more presents. How's that
Speaker 1: working out for you back there? Huh so working out?
Speaker 1: Used to be their leader. They were afraid of you,
Speaker 1: And I just say, okay, okay, that is that the
Speaker 1: line you have to walk. I thought you're supposed to
Speaker 1: take the line at the dinner. Well yeah, but he
Speaker 1: he was mad at them. He thought I would was
Speaker 1: salt on them because you know, they were my friends. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I got in the car that night, which I
Speaker 1: did many times. I'm driving home and I go, God, damn,
Speaker 1: he's right, he's right. You know, there's there. It's like
Speaker 1: a coaching players. There's a line. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: the quarterback has a chance to influence people, and especially
Speaker 1: now I was here, we are sitting here and you
Speaker 1: know that's aw Tom Brady yelling his lineman. I mean,
Speaker 1: I got admit I did that a lot, but I
Speaker 1: only yelled at one of them. I would yell at
Speaker 1: the center and I would just crush him. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: it's not my guy, I said. You don't get the point.
Speaker 1: I don't care chand chaining command senator is a leader
Speaker 1: of the line. Yeah. And you know, bart Oates was
Speaker 1: a great center for h me. He goes after I'd
Speaker 1: yell at him, and I don't know why. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: didn't punch me out, you know, because they're all twice
Speaker 1: the size of me, and Bartils would always go okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll get straight, I'll get straight. You know. It was great.
Speaker 1: That's that's respect though, because they understood that you were
Speaker 1: the first one in, the last one out. You know,
Speaker 1: you worked your ass off. You got fucking yelled at
Speaker 1: by everyone, and I see that, you know, and how
Speaker 1: you dealt with it is a huge that's a huge
Speaker 1: part of your leadership and that's why you were probably
Speaker 1: one of the toughest competitors ever playing this game. Well,
Speaker 1: that's nice of you say, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I love playing, I love talking about it. I love practice.
Speaker 1: I mean I love practice. Yeah, you know, yeah, of
Speaker 1: course you love it. You don't have to do any well,
Speaker 1: you're not going to listen to these coaches. And you
Speaker 1: didn't look forward to it, but you still loved it. No,
Speaker 1: I no, I didn't care. I mean I love practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did it. Just it was so much fun and
Speaker 1: not fun but just learning and doing it and everything
Speaker 1: is a football player. Yeah, I mean it was nothing
Speaker 1: like going out and having a good practice. Oh great,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get better tomorrow. I mean it was great.
Speaker 1: And you were at a team where you like, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're fourteen and two this year, I believe. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: fourteen to Froncos are eleven and five. You are favored
Speaker 1: to win. They were eleven and five. Yeah, Oh they
Speaker 1: must have because we played them during the season that year.
Speaker 1: We were both I think ten and two, really, I
Speaker 1: think or something like that. We were both the same
Speaker 1: we had the same records. Interesting, yeah, and we both
Speaker 1: went in a bunch of close games. You might be wrong,
Speaker 1: I don't anyway. You you're in Pasadena. I heard the
Speaker 1: weather in the first half was an issue for you guys,
Speaker 1: Well not for me. I mean, it was warm, but
Speaker 1: when you play, you know, playoff games, and forty mine
Speaker 1: I wins, and the other one was freezing, and we
Speaker 1: played in We played in so many bad weather games.
Speaker 1: Then when we went to California. I think I was
Speaker 1: more excited the fact that we were just playing in
Speaker 1: California son, just warm weather, not gripping that football, which
Speaker 1: we couldn't rub up up like they do now the
Speaker 1: footballs were an issue, but it was so warm it
Speaker 1: made it better for me. The weather's better in California,
Speaker 1: but the people are better here. Was that it in
Speaker 1: New York City. That's what I say. Okay, weather's good,
Speaker 1: whether there's weather's but throwing the football, that was the
Speaker 1: whole difference to me. It just it was amazing. I
Speaker 1: was in a great mood because I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this weather. Who couldn't play out here? This right here.
Speaker 1: Phil Simms thinks Joe Montana only had the stats he
Speaker 1: had because he played in californ for it. Whether if
Speaker 1: he played in New York he would not have been
Speaker 1: able to do it. Oh well, I'm not even of course,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's always the New York identity
Speaker 1: of the teams that win. They always have a great defense.
Speaker 1: I feel like, well you almost have to because the wind.
Speaker 1: The wind, I mean, you know, unless you're Josh Allen
Speaker 1: playing in today's game. Oh it's thirty by one hour wins. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll just put a little more heat on it. Just
Speaker 1: a lot of good football right now. Yeah, there really is.
Speaker 1: He's incredible. Let's get into the game. So it was
Speaker 1: kind of a slow first half. But to come out
Speaker 1: on your first possession in the biggest game of your life,
Speaker 1: get seven, what's that do with the confidence? Well, it
Speaker 1: was great. I think I'd lifted the whole team. You know,
Speaker 1: we were down, of course, as we know, ten to
Speaker 1: nine half and people go, what went on in your
Speaker 1: locker room a halftime? I don't know. We were relaxed,
Speaker 1: and you know, Bill Parcels never yelled really except I
Speaker 1: can only remember one game where he came in half
Speaker 1: and he was didn't yell at us. He was like,
Speaker 1: come on, when we gonna end this credit you know whatever.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't a big speech, basically, it was this
Speaker 1: he came all right, man, but he did say we
Speaker 1: can't play any worse. And we got thirty minutes and
Speaker 1: that was it. Yeah, that was always his pre game speeches.
Speaker 1: All right, we worked hard all week. You guys are thirty.
Speaker 1: We got sixty minutes to scho get it done. It
Speaker 1: wasn't this raw raw. I mean, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Ra ra? What? I don't want to hear that either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the movie shit that Yeah, that's what do they say,
Speaker 1: Jill's when you get that emotional speech you run out there.
Speaker 1: It's all over after the first play and then you
Speaker 1: got to play. Yeah, the emotion and all you do.
Speaker 1: Think of aut Puccino in any given Sunday. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty cool speech. Well, they were trying to
Speaker 1: copy the big R guy a little bit, but I
Speaker 1: just go he never gave a speech like that. His
Speaker 1: speeches you probably got the same thing Wednesday morning. Is
Speaker 1: when you have the address to the crew, and it
Speaker 1: was long. It would be he can make it twenty
Speaker 1: minutes to thirty minutes, and it was here's what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do this week. We're gonna throw it against that
Speaker 1: guy Simms. We're throwing it to him every chance we
Speaker 1: get over here at this corner and we're gonna do this,
Speaker 1: and that he'd give the state of the Union address
Speaker 1: and that was our weekly what we did for the
Speaker 1: rest of the week. Key's keys and they were big.
Speaker 1: The head coach gives his keys and you break up
Speaker 1: in the offensive defense. The coordinators will give their keys
Speaker 1: based off of what they think. But every Wednesday, when
Speaker 1: they're installing, you know, the head coach gets up and
Speaker 1: f great. It was, it was awesome. I used to
Speaker 1: write them down and we could give a good speech.
Speaker 1: When we were playing the forty nine Ers back in
Speaker 1: eighty six on a Monday night game, he comes in
Speaker 1: and gives that speech and he goes, hey, now, fellas, fellas,
Speaker 1: he loves talking to you defensive backs. That Jerry Rice
Speaker 1: is a different dude. He's different. He's gonna run really
Speaker 1: fast at first play. I'm just telling you the last
Speaker 1: play of the game is still running that fast, so
Speaker 1: you better be you know. Yeah, hear that and go wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice is really special. And then when you cross
Speaker 1: pollin eate with the offense and defense in the same room.
Speaker 1: Hearing guys get coached, it holds an accountability for each
Speaker 1: side of the ball. When you hear, you know, the
Speaker 1: offensive guy getting yelled at the defensive guy walks by
Speaker 1: him in the cafeteria and say, hey, I hear you
Speaker 1: didn't get that a gap, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: so it's that's that's a coaching ability, that's a coaching
Speaker 1: behavior that you know, I got a lot of because
Speaker 1: you know, Belichick was under Parcels and they probably you know,
Speaker 1: he probably stole and I stole. That was influenced, absolutely sure,
Speaker 1: he had to be. I mean, I saw Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: changed through the years. He was there in seventy nine
Speaker 1: and he took a head job in nineteen ninety one, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, I think that's was that, right, Cleveland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So he was there twelve years under Bill Parcells. So
Speaker 1: of course you're going to learn a lot and imitate
Speaker 1: a lot of that. So and and that was you know, Parcels,
Speaker 1: that was his thing. He could connect with the player.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, he knew how to get the best
Speaker 1: out of his player. Like he probably did this that
Speaker 1: that to Phil and treated Phil the way he treated him,
Speaker 1: because that's what fires up Phil. Phil likes to be
Speaker 1: pissed off. He plays well pissed off. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's and that's what
Speaker 1: you know Parcells tried to do. I saw a lot
Speaker 1: of that stuff too, you know from from Belichick with
Speaker 1: certain people. You know, it's just they do whatever it
Speaker 1: takes to push the button to get the best out
Speaker 1: of you. Pushing buttons. He was great. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: trade some, you trade well, he would bill. Here's what
Speaker 1: Parcels would do. I watched him during the week. You know,
Speaker 1: he would walk around the locker room and get a
Speaker 1: guy and go all right, now, listen, here's what I
Speaker 1: need from you this week. You know you gotta you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta come on it. And he would work the
Speaker 1: room like you know, he had a restaurant. He would
Speaker 1: get everybody individually, just for thirty seconds and maybe say something,
Speaker 1: you know, now you got to play better. I don't
Speaker 1: want to take your ass out, you know, or what.
Speaker 1: But he was very If you want honesty, he was honest.
Speaker 1: Well he's looking at every piece of the machine to
Speaker 1: make sure. I mean, it's the big blue recond crew,
Speaker 1: every every piece of the guy. But he worked everybody.
Speaker 1: It was. It was an unbelievable thing. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a It's the best skill I think a coach can have,
Speaker 1: absolutely to be able to do this to players to
Speaker 1: be tough on them, and still, what's the word not
Speaker 1: alienate them? And all that. They just knew this is
Speaker 1: what it is, and he's doing. You want honesty, I'll play.
Speaker 1: I just want you to be honest. Do you really
Speaker 1: do you really want them? Yeah? Bill was honest. I
Speaker 1: saw him do this. I hate to tell these stories.
Speaker 1: We're in training camp and we're doing an inside run
Speaker 1: thing and we have a guard. I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: his game. He goes, I'll call him Billy. Billy, I
Speaker 1: got the plane ticket in my drawer. Don't make me
Speaker 1: give it to you. Come on, I gotta see it.
Speaker 1: Come on, I got the damn plane ticket in the drawer.
Speaker 1: And I just go, Wow, that was really like, that
Speaker 1: was rough. Yeah, he just and he would give the
Speaker 1: guy two or three days and almost always one morning
Speaker 1: we show wear so and so. Oh they let him go,
Speaker 1: but he would warn them if you don't up. Oh no,
Speaker 1: he never bluffed, but I heard him do that quite
Speaker 1: a few times. Yeah, but he was warning the guy,
Speaker 1: you know that if you don't practice better, then it's
Speaker 1: just not going to work. Here the plane ticket in
Speaker 1: the drawer, Yeah, I got them. I mean I can,
Speaker 1: Like my ex girlfriend did the same thing to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's on the phone now, so it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's different. She booked the flight and we taught.
Speaker 1: We taught Phil the day at inside the NFL thirst
Speaker 1: trapping and dming really yeah? Yeah, so we're getting his terminology.
Speaker 1: I new DM direct messaging. What is thirst trapping? You know, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, what the hell is that? It's
Speaker 1: it's for thirsty people that try to trap people. It's
Speaker 1: like you put a sexy photo up there hoping that'll
Speaker 1: it'll get attended. Oh is that what? Okay? Now that
Speaker 1: makes better sense? I mean I don't know. Yeah, people
Speaker 1: get trapped with that. I still don't so much trapping
Speaker 1: going on right now. And then there's like the horny
Speaker 1: comment people who like are a little too engaging, you know,
Speaker 1: with they'll write comments like what's looking great? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you're like, that's what's the other thing you were doing today?
Speaker 1: You look? What what is it? Oh? Drip drip check? Yeah,
Speaker 1: drip I mean and we gave him drip check. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, people say you got to start learning. I
Speaker 1: don't need to learn crap. I don't want to be hip.
Speaker 1: I don't. It's over. I want to act my age.
Speaker 1: I'm going to act my age. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: be cool. I don't want to be hip and whatever.
Speaker 1: You know what. The crazy thing about that is that's hip.
Speaker 1: That's hip, not caring? Is that The fact that you
Speaker 1: don't want to be hip is hip? As I say,
Speaker 1: there's nothing worse than looking at old guy trying to
Speaker 1: act young. Yeah, and I want to say till it
Speaker 1: ain't working. Stop it is this about my sneakers? Uh,
Speaker 1: well you're not old. No. Was the Knicks? You got
Speaker 1: the Nick colors the season starting, I got to get
Speaker 1: the good vibe. Yeah, okay, that don't really help. Hell,
Speaker 1: you're a New York legend. You gotta be behind us. Hey,
Speaker 1: I like all the New York teams. I root for him. Man.
Speaker 1: When we were playing during the height of our cur
Speaker 1: you know, giant thing, the Knicks were. Hell, we could
Speaker 1: have taken four of those guys and started them on
Speaker 1: our football O man, Anthony Mason. Would you could have
Speaker 1: played alongside LT all of Oakley, all them Oakley, John Starks.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, they wanted to fight, they didn't
Speaker 1: want to play hoops. I loved it. But it was great.
Speaker 1: I even made a comment once somebody said something. I said, man,
Speaker 1: if we ever get as tough as a Knicks nobody,
Speaker 1: he'll beat us. Yeah. And pat Riley, at the time,
Speaker 1: I think was coaching legend. Oh my god, should I
Speaker 1: tell you pat Riley started please so my first year
Speaker 1: in TV, NBC wants me to be a saline reporter
Speaker 1: in basketball, just to get just to do something. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh my god. So I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: And I got a Nick game first, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: Hannah Storm is showing me how it works. I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I got it. I gotta do a couple
Speaker 1: of reports and all that stuff. And pat Riley goes, hey,
Speaker 1: you know morehead boy. Hey you know Kentucky. You know
Speaker 1: because he played a Kentucky. And when he goes, okay,
Speaker 1: everything good, I said, yeah. He goes, listen this and that.
Speaker 1: He goes, I just want to tell you one thing.
Speaker 1: Don't you think about sticking your head in my huddle?
Speaker 1: And I mean he said it with vinegar, and I
Speaker 1: just went, don't worry. I won't. I mean, damn, yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes, don't you know that's pat Riley. He's talking
Speaker 1: in a private group. He didn't want anybody talking about
Speaker 1: what he says or hearing it. And he's a big
Speaker 1: dude too. You ever met him. I never met, Oh
Speaker 1: pat Rice, Well he played, he was yeah me, he's
Speaker 1: six four, six ' five, I mean, big old guy.
Speaker 1: Holy Christ, he's slicked hair. Oh yeah. He had to
Speaker 1: look our money suits, our money looking looking scared of me.
Speaker 1: I didn't get close to their huddle. I stayed as
Speaker 1: far away from them as I mean. NBA games, Oh Joe,
Speaker 1: it's just nothing. I'd be on the court before the game,
Speaker 1: shooting threes with Charles Barkley. Wow, can you imagine throwing
Speaker 1: somebody coming out in the field. But now, no, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. It was incredible. And then I would
Speaker 1: do reports. They put me on the foul line during
Speaker 1: the time out. The timeouts over all the players are
Speaker 1: standing around me like this, looking at me, and I'm going,
Speaker 1: should I get out the colder? They goes, no, just
Speaker 1: to your report, and then they didn't care. They just
Speaker 1: hold the game until you're done, and then we'll start
Speaker 1: the game again. You know basketball is a different breed. Well,
Speaker 1: you know they play any two of those games. I
Speaker 1: don't think they get too serious about it a lot
Speaker 1: of times. But yeah, the fact that I was shooting
Speaker 1: on the court before the game, nobody said a word
Speaker 1: to me with Charles Barkley. I din't gonna tell you
Speaker 1: what we were gambling with, but it wasn't. We weren't
Speaker 1: playing for pennies. But that way, what about? Uh so
Speaker 1: this game? The turning point in this game, there's a
Speaker 1: goal line stop. Yeah, a couple yea three straight stops.
Speaker 1: I think Banks made the last tackle, LT made the first.
Speaker 1: It was a huge stop. You guys, get the ball back,
Speaker 1: as LT always, I'll get you the ball back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's when you started just whipping it. Five straight
Speaker 1: consecutive touchdown drives. We were you twenty three for like,
Speaker 1: I think you had three incompletions three twenty two or
Speaker 1: twenty five. That's insane. But we were Super Bowl. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, listen, when you're playing, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you were you in the zone, I didn't think about anything,
Speaker 1: just thinking of the play and always go. You know,
Speaker 1: many times, if you can do that, you're generally gonna
Speaker 1: not be unhappy with yourself when it's over. But I
Speaker 1: didn't do that near enough. You know, it was just always, oh,
Speaker 1: I threw an interception, Now I'm gonna be careful. And
Speaker 1: then the days I played well, I throw an interception.
Speaker 1: You know, if it happened, and everybody, oh, don't worry
Speaker 1: about I said, I'm not worried about it. You get
Speaker 1: ready to tackle. I'm gonna throw it. We might throw
Speaker 1: six today. And when I had that attitude, I played really,
Speaker 1: really well. But you know, that's circumstances. I didn't always
Speaker 1: have that attitude. But in that Super Bowl, in the
Speaker 1: second half, I think we John Ellwie went three and
Speaker 1: out three or four straight times. So the time we
Speaker 1: scored and I'd go sit on the sideline, we had
Speaker 1: to ballack. Was it crazy to see a guy that talented,
Speaker 1: who could scramble to throw the ball just kind of
Speaker 1: getting dominated in that second half? Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess you know, when you're a player, you never look
Speaker 1: at the other guy and say he's great, but you
Speaker 1: knew he was great. I don't know, you know, somebody said,
Speaker 1: somebody said to me, Edwin Pope of the Miami Herald,
Speaker 1: that's I actually just sat down and a reporter sat
Speaker 1: around me. Can you imagine that in the super Bowl
Speaker 1: now and Evan Public goes, what would you have done
Speaker 1: if John Elway to come to Moorhead State? You know,
Speaker 1: I was much older than John. I said, well, he'd
Speaker 1: have sat behind me until I graduated. And I thought,
Speaker 1: hell yeah, that would be headlines and papers. And it
Speaker 1: was just another line in an article he wrote later.
Speaker 1: You know. So I was feeling good. But then I retired,
Speaker 1: not retired, whatever, My career was over. I was doing
Speaker 1: a game in Denver early the first year I did broadcasting,
Speaker 1: and I was standing behind there huddle watching the practice.
Speaker 1: I go, it's freaking always pretty good. I was like,
Speaker 1: Holy Christ, but it was cool. John's was a great dude,
Speaker 1: and we of course knew each other really well as
Speaker 1: the years went through and everything. But it was good competitive. Nah, fuck, dad,
Speaker 1: he ain't better than me? Well come on, you know
Speaker 1: how exactly I mean? Me and Joe Montana literally I
Speaker 1: don't mean to I don't want to dramatize it or whatever,
Speaker 1: but we didn't like each other. No, And it was
Speaker 1: my fault because I'm a jerk. You know. I can,
Speaker 1: of course on the field, I could really be a jerk,
Speaker 1: and I said some things, but it got to like,
Speaker 1: this is crazy, Like we'd score. I look at him
Speaker 1: and go, what do you think of that? You know,
Speaker 1: I'd make gestures and then he got into it. He
Speaker 1: throw something and score against us, and he'd be looking
Speaker 1: at me, and I just go, I deserve it. And
Speaker 1: then one day I don't know how it happened or
Speaker 1: what a camera was in the tunnel a giant stadium,
Speaker 1: or maybe it was after a game in San Francisco
Speaker 1: and his wife. I saw Jennifer, Jennifer Jennifer and I
Speaker 1: said something. She goes, oh, let me go get Joe,
Speaker 1: and and I was like, oh good, maybe we can
Speaker 1: get over this now or whatever. You know, it just
Speaker 1: hit me in my head. You know how I always
Speaker 1: tell you my dogs were Dwight and Montana. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: Walsh would have got you, my dogs could have been
Speaker 1: Dwight and Sims. Well, mister Simms, yeah, well that could
Speaker 1: have been true, but it also means that it could
Speaker 1: have been that nobody had known Bill Walsh and I.
Speaker 1: But when it was over, nah, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was pretty listen are you? Are you? And Montana good? Though? Now?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're great. I mean I've done appearances, with them,
Speaker 1: and I kind of do the talking and ask him
Speaker 1: questions and Joe tells, of course he's got unbelievable stories
Speaker 1: and all that. But yeah, we're really I'll say this.
Speaker 1: He has a son, Nick, Nick came up in the
Speaker 1: summers one year to throw with me. Now, how's that?
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool? No, but I'm just saying. His father
Speaker 1: was Joe Montana and he was coming up to throw
Speaker 1: with me. So and Chris Collinsworth goes, wait, let me
Speaker 1: hold on. This is strange you're gonna throw. Because Joe
Speaker 1: was on a show on Inside the NFL with us
Speaker 1: and he was talking about his son, and I said, I,
Speaker 1: what do you want me to do when you Why
Speaker 1: haven't you sent him to me yet? Because he send
Speaker 1: you know, he went all these quarterback gurus because Joe
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it. And Joe goes, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna send him up. He's I think he stayed in
Speaker 1: my house. Now, how was it? How was Joe on
Speaker 1: inside the NFL? He was just a guest. He was
Speaker 1: always good. He would tell tell great stories. You know.
Speaker 1: I'd ask him I heard this, is that true? And
Speaker 1: he would yes, that's true. You know some of the
Speaker 1: What were the questions we asked him, Steve Young, Joe, Montana,
Speaker 1: the Bill washed uff and he would tell me somebodys go, wow,
Speaker 1: that's those are rough situations. He didn't like him, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I can't really remember what he said. But
Speaker 1: you know when they won the Super Bowl what the
Speaker 1: eighty eight season, they were shuffling, going back and forth
Speaker 1: and they finally made a decision, right, yeah, and stayed
Speaker 1: with Joe and he was on fire. He threw the
Speaker 1: ball awesome at the end of that year. Was that
Speaker 1: the year was he in Chicago in eighty eight? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they played the Bears in Chicago. Yeah, it was the
Speaker 1: best game I ever saw him throw the football. And
Speaker 1: that's saying a lot. But the weather cold, it was
Speaker 1: really windy, and he was throwing and I said, wow,
Speaker 1: Joe was He was on fire? Of course. Then I
Speaker 1: think that was the year he went down to New
Speaker 1: Orleans and played Denver. Oh yeah, yeah, and just smoked him,
Speaker 1: smoked him. That would have been eighty nine probably, I
Speaker 1: can't remember what eighty nine because then in ninety he
Speaker 1: got hurt. You guys, well, he won in eighty eight
Speaker 1: and eighty nine, and then ninety. You guys hurt him?
Speaker 1: When did Yeah, when did you go to Kansas City
Speaker 1: ninety ninety three or ninety two? I'll tell you ninety three,
Speaker 1: three ninety three. I'm positive because he was there and
Speaker 1: I was with the Reeves that year and my career
Speaker 1: ended after that year, and Joe played another year in
Speaker 1: Kansas City. But yeah, I'm right, I remember that part
Speaker 1: about it. He played. Of course he played great in
Speaker 1: Kansas City too. Yeah, you guys got hit so damn hard.
Speaker 1: You guys couldn't last well, that was I was hurt
Speaker 1: in the game he got hit in ninety so I
Speaker 1: was in the locker room kind of watching it on
Speaker 1: TV and going on the sidelines because I was on crutches,
Speaker 1: and I think, yeah, Pat summerw when Joe got hit
Speaker 1: as he rolled to the right and looking Leonard Marshall
Speaker 1: had a fifteen yard running start at him. And the
Speaker 1: next series started and Pat Sumraw goes the injury report
Speaker 1: from the bench is Joe Montana has overall ache. That
Speaker 1: was it? Overall ache? Oh god, it was maybe the
Speaker 1: worst hit I ever saw a quarterback take. I mean,
Speaker 1: you remember it, right, I remember it. It looked like
Speaker 1: he broke them. Yeah, it looked like he broke his back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he hit him so hard, he did. He broke his back,
Speaker 1: he did, That's what it was. He broke his back. Wow.
Speaker 1: Well back to Super Bowl twenty one, this was a
Speaker 1: game for so many First, you were the first to
Speaker 1: say I'm going to Disneyland, and then what's something said
Speaker 1: the disney World too? You covered your baby? Did both? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they maybe did both, Yeah, Disneyland, disney World, and then
Speaker 1: you it was the first Gatorade shower. But I read
Speaker 1: that you guys were doing this. We did it all
Speaker 1: year or not all year. I don't know really how
Speaker 1: it started. I need to ask the culprits, but I
Speaker 1: think they did it over parcels. It wasn't because we're celebrating,
Speaker 1: because he was in one of those moods that week,
Speaker 1: like really bad. Yeah, and it was intolerable, and so
Speaker 1: one of the players who you know, he was on fire.
Speaker 1: You got to cool him off, and A just basically said,
Speaker 1: that's for what you know, Yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 1: overdo it, or but that's because you were a jerk
Speaker 1: all week and I'm cleaning it all I bet. But see,
Speaker 1: how about that you could say that to him and
Speaker 1: allow it to happen, and you know he you know,
Speaker 1: Bill just shrug it off and that's it. And then
Speaker 1: it became, you know, part of every game we won.
Speaker 1: It became when's Bill going to get doast with gatorade?
Speaker 1: And wasn't bon Jovi on the sideline a bunch? He
Speaker 1: was at practices a lot. Yeah, I heard he was
Speaker 1: like the good luck charm? Is that what they said? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be. Of course I would be practicing. See
Speaker 1: there's John bon Jovi over there, and he was friends
Speaker 1: with Belichick. Yeah, and he but they would always let
Speaker 1: him out. He watched a lot of practices. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you saw him. Yeah, probably more than I did. We
Speaker 1: saw him a lot too in New England. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: remember James Taylor singing the national anthem at the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl coming off the field, and you know, he's a
Speaker 1: big giant fan and he sees Bill. He hits my parcels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get away from me. Wow. No he didn't say okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So no, I didn't like people touching me from I
Speaker 1: didn't like talking to celebrity. I talked to one celebrity
Speaker 1: before a game, John McEnroe, right, it was before the
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans game with Tom's last game we lost that
Speaker 1: I'll never talk to another one like I hated talk.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like you said in the zone,
Speaker 1: you got to be focused on what you have to
Speaker 1: focus on. Yeah, I did. I did a benefit for
Speaker 1: McEnroe once and uh. In the front row, it's like
Speaker 1: this awful crowd. They're just talking. My entire set, every
Speaker 1: comics bombing and I just see this one lady one.
Speaker 1: I'm like, lady, shut up. And McEnroe was like, yes,
Speaker 1: Macro's applauding me. Just fishing people. It's funny. Yeah. On
Speaker 1: the my agent was good friends with Billy Crystal and
Speaker 1: Rob Reiner and of course they lived in La Well
Speaker 1: not of course, but they did. And he says, do
Speaker 1: you want to have dinner with him on Friday night?
Speaker 1: I said, you know, Friday night, I would because I
Speaker 1: liked Friday night. It's over and it'll be a good
Speaker 1: time to relax a little. I'll love to do it. Well,
Speaker 1: we go to dinner, Maconkie me. Uh, Rob Reiner didn't
Speaker 1: make it. Billy Crystal's there, so who have a great
Speaker 1: dinner and it's nice. We're laughing about a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: And finally Billy Crystal, who's a great New York sports fan,
Speaker 1: he turns to me real seriously, so what do you think?
Speaker 1: And I go, well, what do you mean when I think, well,
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna win, you know whatever. He goes
Speaker 1: and I said, well, let me tell you what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. I said, on the first play, we're gonna
Speaker 1: want to play action. I'm gonna throw the line of
Speaker 1: manual over the middle. The second play, we're doing this.
Speaker 1: The third play, we're doing that, and we get near
Speaker 1: the goal line. Here's what we're doing. He's going, really,
Speaker 1: I said, it's all true, because what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: You can't And I'm not worried about what he's gonna
Speaker 1: tell anybody. So he's in the stands, we get the
Speaker 1: ball and he goes, he's gonna throw a play action
Speaker 1: pass to line ol man. Oh shut up, Billy, you
Speaker 1: don't know nothing. And it happens. They go what's he
Speaker 1: doing next? And he told the story I think on
Speaker 1: Johnny Carson that everybody kept going, what do you think, Billy?
Speaker 1: The whole game He's, well, you know, but I told
Speaker 1: him as much as I could and just that he
Speaker 1: could retain. But I told him that first series and
Speaker 1: those plays really came off one, two all the way,
Speaker 1: just like we hope they would. Wow. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: he was. He was great New York sports fan. But
Speaker 1: he's a clip fan. Is he a Clippers fan? He's
Speaker 1: I think a Yankees Giants but he's a Clippers fan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know he's a huge Yankee fan. He was, you know,
Speaker 1: he was a really good baseball player, was he? Yes,
Speaker 1: really good shortstop. He went I think he went to
Speaker 1: West Virginia and played baseball, and then he decided maybe
Speaker 1: acting might be a or whatever, being a comic. He
Speaker 1: did sixty one. I mean that was a good movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah about Maison Mantle. Yeah. Well, the best Broadway player
Speaker 1: I ever saw was his seven hundred Sundays? Is that
Speaker 1: what it was? Does y might know? Whatever the name was.
Speaker 1: It was just him reliving his life with his father,
Speaker 1: growing up, the music world and all this. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I got to check it out. It was so funny. No,
Speaker 1: this has been years ago, but he did it in
Speaker 1: LA he did it on TV. I think he's doing
Speaker 1: another one now is something different. But I laughed so
Speaker 1: much there was four of us. I had a family friend,
Speaker 1: my youngest son, and another guy. One of my nephews
Speaker 1: was there. We laughed so hard a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Here's the stage. He's talking. I had to turn around.
Speaker 1: I said, I can't listen. I'm exhausted from lapping. It was.
Speaker 1: It was truly that funny it was. It was awesome. Geez. So,
Speaker 1: uh you know super Bowl MVP. Did you get some
Speaker 1: sort of car? I got a super Room. You got
Speaker 1: a Super U Super Yes, they had super US in
Speaker 1: eighty eighty seven. Yeah, I guess so because they gave
Speaker 1: me one. Is it good? You still got it? I do?
Speaker 1: What do you do? You use it? It's just sitting
Speaker 1: down in Kentucky. But I go to New York to
Speaker 1: get the car. The city they have that you know,
Speaker 1: a luncheon, and they go, okay, here it is, get
Speaker 1: into forest. I'm like, it's small. It was really okay
Speaker 1: here I am. I don't know, look no, but it
Speaker 1: was great. Who cares what the car was. That's what
Speaker 1: it stood for exactly. We never we never got a car.
Speaker 1: I never get I just got a trophy. You didn't
Speaker 1: get a car back car? Super MVP. Yeah, no, they
Speaker 1: stopped it. Wow, they were getting away escalate, escalades, cadillacs,
Speaker 1: GM products. Didn't get it, didn't get anything they give it?
Speaker 1: You were you a Pro Bowl MVP two? No, I
Speaker 1: think they give away car for it, don't they. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they used I don't know, I didn't go, didn't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, I the one I played in.
Speaker 1: I was in fortunately the m v P and John
Speaker 1: Robinson was the coach. And after they named the MVP, goes,
Speaker 1: did you get a car? I said, I don't know
Speaker 1: what it'll be awesome? You know, I got a trophy
Speaker 1: about this big, I got a cool trophy they gave Yeah,
Speaker 1: they give you like the like the whatever, the silver football,
Speaker 1: the silver Yeah, it's beautiful. Actually was it Tiffany's my
Speaker 1: mom my mom's house. Oh it is. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: disappointed in the trophy too. No car, no trophy, Holy Christ.
Speaker 1: Just lucky to get out of the game. No one,
Speaker 1: you know. And I remember when it was over, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm never coming back. I'm not doing this again. This
Speaker 1: was torture. Is there anything we missed about this game?
Speaker 1: About the game, No, I don't know what to say
Speaker 1: about it was, you know, and I've watched the game
Speaker 1: probably two or three times, and I just couldn't get
Speaker 1: over how fast it went by. In other words, it
Speaker 1: seems long or whatever. What I was thinking. Then I
Speaker 1: watched the game, I go, Wow, that game went quick,
Speaker 1: and wow, we could have lost it like seven different times. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what really kind of gets me when
Speaker 1: you look back, Oh my god, we stopped l way.
Speaker 1: Oh he missed the field goal. You know, you just
Speaker 1: start thinking of all the breaks that kind of go
Speaker 1: your way or you create. And I think that was
Speaker 1: the biggest thing when I see it. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Who was Ricky Hunley their middle linebacker. You know, I
Speaker 1: watched the game once and I just went, oh my god.
Speaker 1: He was a superstar. He made every tackle I mean,
Speaker 1: and he was pissed off too the whole game. Get up,
Speaker 1: he kicked people, you know, Oh sorry, but I mean
Speaker 1: he was unbelievable. How but I would have never own
Speaker 1: that unless I sit down and watch the game again.
Speaker 1: You know, some of the guys that played so great.
Speaker 1: Carl Banks was the whole postseason. He was killing Oh
Speaker 1: my god, it was. He was the MVP really the
Speaker 1: whole postseason. In fact, John Madden even said everybody talks
Speaker 1: about Lawrence Taylor right now, the best linebacker in the
Speaker 1: NFL is Carl Banks. Wow. He said it on the air,
Speaker 1: which is a big thing for and John Badden loved
Speaker 1: Lawrence so him. For him to say that was tells
Speaker 1: you how great Carl Banks was during that postseason. So well,
Speaker 1: mister Simms, I do like your shirt. Yeah, it wore
Speaker 1: this to make you comfortable. Yeah. Well, I'm sweating like
Speaker 1: I hot in here. It is hot, good hot. You
Speaker 1: know when you get older you sweat a lot. You
Speaker 1: know that I don't. I'm still You'll see. It's things
Speaker 1: to look forward to. It's heat. You're always hot, always
Speaker 1: tired because you can't sleep as well. I mean everybody.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but you can't look forward to the having
Speaker 1: avodka cocktail with the wife and cooking. You can look
Speaker 1: forward to those things I do. It's a simple. It's
Speaker 1: a simple and you know we're empty nesters. You know,
Speaker 1: of course my kids are all old or they I
Speaker 1: got grand kids, and they go, how's it as empty nest?
Speaker 1: You miss the kids? No, it's awesome. Look at the
Speaker 1: house to ourselves. I don't have to worry about we
Speaker 1: don't have to make dinner for these every night. And
Speaker 1: you know it's great. It's great. From the man, the myth,
Speaker 1: the legend of New York Football Giants, the New York
Speaker 1: Football Giants, Phil Simms. Yeah, no, let me finish up
Speaker 1: with this. I got to say, nobody in history has
Speaker 1: sucked the life out of one game more than me
Speaker 1: and Joe Namath. Come on, I'm here because of that game,
Speaker 1: not my career. I mean, everything I do, it's just
Speaker 1: because of that game. It really is. Well you you
Speaker 1: showed up when it mattered most. Well, big players make
Speaker 1: big plays in big games, mister Sims, and that's exactly
Speaker 1: what you did for a long time tough football player.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you coming. I can't wait. You have a podcast?
Speaker 1: You have? What do you have? You know? I just
Speaker 1: go on everybody's podcast. No, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: the podcast. King if people call me, I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: can you wait till next week? I got two other
Speaker 1: ones this week. Yeah, I'll do them. You know, I
Speaker 1: know all the people and it's fun. You're good at it. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm good at it, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to do one. All right, you know I'm
Speaker 1: looking not that I'm scaling back because if I work
Speaker 1: to I always say, if I work till I'm ninety,
Speaker 1: I'll break even. Yeah. So why why is that? Well,
Speaker 1: because I'm the money shredder. Yeah, you're oh you what
Speaker 1: the money shredder my wife. My wife goes shopping. I
Speaker 1: love it. I don't care. She said, she'll tell you
Speaker 1: the story. She'll go shopping. She shows that. I said,
Speaker 1: I love them. Let me see the bill. I go,
Speaker 1: Diana distress. You know what calls so and so, and
Speaker 1: you know what her answer is. You know that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I mean, this has been going on. I made the
Speaker 1: mistake in nineteen eighty three. Now wait, my daughter was
Speaker 1: born in eighty four, so maybe it was eighty seven
Speaker 1: or whatever. My daughter's young. I said, you know, Dana,
Speaker 1: I don't care what you and dear dreit you can
Speaker 1: buy all the clothes you want doesn't mean anything because
Speaker 1: clothes were cheap then. Yeah, well, now here we are,
Speaker 1: what thirty some years later, and it's still going on,
Speaker 1: and uh, those clothes are not cheap anymore. So. Well,
Speaker 1: from the man who's married to the money shredder, money shredder,
Speaker 1: she's proud of it. Women shopping man. Oh shoot, true,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on, Yeah, having us all right,
Speaker 1: come on time. Unbelievable stories you ever know anything? All right?
Speaker 1: Games with names got you? All right, Man, you're the best,
Speaker 1: You're the best. Good stuff. Man, he was great. He
Speaker 1: was good. Yeah, really good. I mean it's he's a
Speaker 1: professional and he's your buddy. I mean, it's cool he's
Speaker 1: your coworker. Yeah, he's Uh, he's a New York legend.
Speaker 1: I told. I told a good friend of mine. He's
Speaker 1: also a native New Yorker, my friend Matt Sallacus, who
Speaker 1: who directed one of my specials. And he he goes
Speaker 1: Phil Simms. I said, yeah, he goes. That's a fucking legend.
Speaker 1: He is tough, competitor, great stories. Uh, he's just tough,
Speaker 1: you know. And the Giants defense. That's crazy that he
Speaker 1: has all those intel. I mean it probably made him
Speaker 1: a better quarterback every day going against him. And just
Speaker 1: to hear that these these teams went live on Super
Speaker 1: Bowl Week with a scrimmage. That's crazy. I mean, don't
Speaker 1: you think that is part of what made Tom so great?
Speaker 1: Is that though some of those patriots we didn't have,
Speaker 1: we didn't go live on a you know, I know,
Speaker 1: but you were going against he went against the defense. Definitely,
Speaker 1: definitely going against defense. But I'm just saying the brutality
Speaker 1: of what the game was when mister Simms was playing
Speaker 1: like he didn't even he doesn't remember getting a personal
Speaker 1: foul on them, like roughing the quarterback. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: seeing guys protect knees on quarterbacks, fart on quarterbacks, and
Speaker 1: they're getting fifteen yarders in a fine like it's ridicy,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I mean, if you watched some of these highlights.
Speaker 1: I think there's a highlight of him picking up his
Speaker 1: teeth because he was getting serious. There's these quarterbacks used.
Speaker 1: By the way, farting on a quarterback would be the
Speaker 1: best celebration dance ever after a sack, just like lifting
Speaker 1: up a leg. That's a that's a badass celebration. Or
Speaker 1: just piss on him with a fire hydrant. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: fake fake like a zipping down it. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a good one. They settled the prop bet. Did
Speaker 1: we do it? Did we get it? We must have
Speaker 1: done it. I had five, damn five. We got to
Speaker 1: review the tape. I'm getting a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of conflicting messages here, but I got five. Damn. I'm sorry, guys,
Speaker 1: under there's no reason to be sorry, but we'll take it. Jackie.
Speaker 1: What's the legacy for this game? I think it's, you know,
Speaker 1: big blue wrecking crew, This this set up who the
Speaker 1: Giants franchise wanted to be until now. Honestly, whenever the
Speaker 1: Giants win, it's because of the defense. We've had killer
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who rise to the occasion, you know, Sims Eli,
Speaker 1: But like, let's be real, you make it this far
Speaker 1: in the playoffs with a great defense. Complimentary football teams, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, defense, got teams that know how to play
Speaker 1: with each other, you know, and and you know, just
Speaker 1: with with Parcels and how he was trying to push
Speaker 1: buttons to get the best out of his players. That'll
Speaker 1: always stick out from just hearing the stories from Sims.
Speaker 1: Mister sims performance in the Super Bowl eighty eight percent
Speaker 1: completion percentage, getting the Super Bowl MVP. You know, five
Speaker 1: consecutive drives with touchdowns at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's that's a that's a super Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was that was they were losing at halftime and
Speaker 1: blow them out. That's that's adjustment. That's players making big
Speaker 1: plays in big situations and great coaches giving great information.
Speaker 1: So you know that was pretty cool. Also Belichick's first
Speaker 1: taste of a Super Bowl. Yeah, as a as an assistant.
Speaker 1: Then he got carried off. We needn't ask him that.
Speaker 1: I didn't ask him that. So what's the lasting image
Speaker 1: for this? I mean, it's pretty crazy that this was
Speaker 1: the first time they ever said we're going to Disneyland,
Speaker 1: because that's all you think about when you were a kid,
Speaker 1: when you went playing in the backyard with your boys,
Speaker 1: having an imaginary game or whatever, like you always dreamed
Speaker 1: about saying I'm going disney World. I'm going Disneyland. It
Speaker 1: was wholesome. It was wholesome. It wasn't like I'm going
Speaker 1: to the titty bar. It's like, I'm going to Disney
Speaker 1: And the kids were like, oh, okay, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to Disneyland. That and the Gatorage splash. The
Speaker 1: Gatorage splash is an on parcels, who's this iconic code
Speaker 1: and all because they didn't. They were mad at him
Speaker 1: during the week. I remember he said he started they
Speaker 1: started it because he was an asshole all week. You
Speaker 1: don't realize that's an aggressive move. Like you think that's
Speaker 1: like we love you, coach, but it was like, fuck you,
Speaker 1: here's your gatorade. It's so funny to see the reactions
Speaker 1: of these coaches when they get hit at the cold
Speaker 1: So funny. There's not beause it's the greatest moment. But
Speaker 1: you're just sticky. Isn't that weird? You're just like I'm
Speaker 1: just covered in you know, sugar. Yeah, But in defense
Speaker 1: of and like what nutritionists could say, if they're thirsty
Speaker 1: with all the amount of energy output that they, even
Speaker 1: coaches do, just standing out there, maybe just give a
Speaker 1: little lick. You get a lick, get a little sugar.
Speaker 1: But also, dude, during Pasadena, he's getting eaten up by mosquitoes.
Speaker 1: After that, now there's no mosquitos in color. That's humidity.
Speaker 1: That's humidity, humidity something some flies or nothing. Not been
Speaker 1: to California. They were flies. Debatable jacket on that we
Speaker 1: gotta I'm just saying there's no humidity, there's no bugs.
Speaker 1: How about I got another lasting image for you, Bivarro
Speaker 1: in the end zone and the shot above him sixteen
Speaker 1: to ten giants, because that's the touchdown where they start
Speaker 1: to never look back. Yeah, that's pretty badass. That was
Speaker 1: a physicality to lasting image. That just a physical team,
Speaker 1: physical on offense. You could just tell mister Simms just
Speaker 1: a tough guy defense. We don't even to talk about that.
Speaker 1: We had just no lt Banks, the badasses Jack. What
Speaker 1: do we forget? We got a couple of things here today.
Speaker 1: Phil mentioned Billy Crystal baseball talk. Billy Crystal actually went
Speaker 1: to Marshall on a baseball scholarship, but the program got
Speaker 1: suspended before he could play a game, transferred back to NYU.
Speaker 1: The rest is history. Rumor even has that he was
Speaker 1: classmates with Oliver Stone and Christopher Guest. So those are good.
Speaker 1: You go to NYU, you're giving up on sports. It's over.
Speaker 1: It ain't Marshall Donna say we are n YU. It's done.
Speaker 1: We are what alas other than YU. We talked about
Speaker 1: Dan Marino setting the passing record or passing attempts record
Speaker 1: at six twenty three that season. It's been blown out
Speaker 1: of the water. Just to put it in context, Brady
Speaker 1: had seven hundred nineteen passing attempts last season, and that's
Speaker 1: not even first. Matthew Stafford in twenty twelve seven hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty seven extra game. Yeah, extra game and they
Speaker 1: just throw the balls all day. We also talked about
Speaker 1: the wind in the Wind Bowl and the equated it
Speaker 1: to Bill taking the wind in a twenty thirteen game
Speaker 1: against the Broncos twenty four nothing comeback, Patriots end up
Speaker 1: winning an overtime Bill takes the wind. Jewels finished with
Speaker 1: nine catches one hundred and ten yards to TDS to
Speaker 1: bad day against the wind, but great Bob Seger song
Speaker 1: again again love Bob Singer rules in the page. Buddy,
Speaker 1: Oh that's the the road song. Oh it's perfect. Got
Speaker 1: two more Dr Pepper, I know where got a packed
Speaker 1: one today? Uh? Today. The prune juice rumor has nagged
Speaker 1: Doctor Pepperson's the nineteen thirties. It's a unique blend of
Speaker 1: natural and artificial flavors. No prune juice, but it is.
Speaker 1: It is a rumor. The rumors get started. That's like
Speaker 1: the Richard gear gerbil in the ass. It's probably not true,
Speaker 1: but it must really hurt him, you know, does he?
Speaker 1: There's got to be some truth, who knows. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's got to come from somewhere, I know. But that's
Speaker 1: got If that's not true, that's got a stink. Well
Speaker 1: how men years ago was that? I don't know, Because
Speaker 1: the Gerbil thing was like a hot topic for a second,
Speaker 1: it had to be post pretty Woman. He's not landing
Speaker 1: a romantic comedy lead as the Gerbil guy. I mean
Speaker 1: with that, he's a silber fox. That's pretty handsome. He
Speaker 1: is handsome, handsome guy. Good looking guy, good looking guy.
Speaker 1: That rumor has been around since ninety eight. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's post pretty Woman. Oh yeah, wait post yeah, primal
Speaker 1: Fear Salad, Richard Gear Movie, Young Ed Norton, all right,
Speaker 1: one last one, last one. Phil was a talker on
Speaker 1: this episode. Phil was a talker in the postgame interview
Speaker 1: of this so CBS did not get to air one
Speaker 1: shining moment, which we now know is played after every
Speaker 1: n CUBA tournament. It was supposed to be for the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. The lyric was the ball is kicked, and
Speaker 1: we now know it has been changed to the ball
Speaker 1: is tipped for the NCAA tournament. They saved it, use
Speaker 1: it for the NCAA tournament. Now it's legendary. What are
Speaker 1: we even talking about? You know the song they play
Speaker 1: at the end of every NCUAA tournament. Absolutely not huh, Well,
Speaker 1: you guys gotta watch some college troops. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean we watch it. Oh man, I don't know
Speaker 1: the song. I'm usually knocked out with my bracket in
Speaker 1: like the first three days, so I stink, all right,
Speaker 1: not a as badly as Julian is in our fantasy
Speaker 1: football league. But I won this last week. I didn't
Speaker 1: get murdered in my Pickhum's league with inside the NFL. Literally,
Speaker 1: I think I need to just I went four for twelve,
Speaker 1: four for twelve. I'm going to start making my picks
Speaker 1: and then turn in the opposite. That's what I have
Speaker 1: to I mean, it's it's a fucking disaster. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: fucking handicappers slame the game. That's tough. I think it's
Speaker 1: got to be. I'm going to Disney World game. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's it. Although that's that's a good name,
Speaker 1: but it's that's after the game. You can't call the game.
Speaker 1: Some of them the post game, the Gatorway Shower game.
Speaker 1: It's that's a great image, but I don't think that's it.
Speaker 1: I think it's got to be. Mister Sims goes to Pasadena,
Speaker 1: Mister Simms goes to Pasadena. That's good. It's three children,
Speaker 1: but we just call it the Giants first super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's pretty that works. Okay, which way
Speaker 1: are you leaning? Well, let's give mister Simms roses. Let's
Speaker 1: do it, give us a lot of time. Mister Simms
Speaker 1: goes to Pasadena. It's like Curious George goes to Pasaden.
Speaker 1: Mister Simms goes to Pastinas. That's that's that's good. Curious
Speaker 1: George fucking rules Smith goes to Washington. Well, I think
Speaker 1: it's a rip riff on. Uh yeah, the movie oh
Speaker 1: holy smokes, yeah no, but Curious Chorge was good. I'm like, escape.
Speaker 1: I think they escaped the Nazis. Isn't that the story
Speaker 1: with Curious George. They escaped the Nazis with only their
Speaker 1: books and they and they like came and started up.
Speaker 1: I think that's the whole Curious George story. Really look
Speaker 1: into that, look into that. That's good. How do we
Speaker 1: score the game? Uh? Steaks, Steaks are high. It's a
Speaker 1: super Bowl, first super Bowl for the New York Football Giants.
Speaker 1: That pretty much starts their lineage. It's interesting because like steaks,
Speaker 1: now you look at for the Broncos. They're high, but
Speaker 1: you know Lway one two at the end, it's not
Speaker 1: like he would be back. He would so you can't
Speaker 1: go as high for that. But for the Giants, the
Speaker 1: stakes are high, I think because you have this amazing defense.
Speaker 1: If you don't deliver with this team, it's it's a letdown.
Speaker 1: They've got they they blew, they blew the breaks off
Speaker 1: of the forty. Yeah, so the stake like this was
Speaker 1: their shot. Yeah, because the Niners were the team of
Speaker 1: the eighties exactly, So I think the stakes are pretty
Speaker 1: high for the Giants. Yeah, I would say nine flat
Speaker 1: nine flat nine Yeah, I know. Yeah. Star power, I
Speaker 1: mean we have there's so many huges. It's a huge
Speaker 1: star power because you have to not just the players,
Speaker 1: but the coaches. Very true. I mean, this is it's
Speaker 1: like a nine to three maybe, is that crazy? I
Speaker 1: mean you've got Lway, Lt Sims, Banks, Belichick, Parcels, big names. E. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta go nine two nine two. That's it's it's tough.
Speaker 1: That's nine two, I'll get we gotta go nine two. Gameplay,
Speaker 1: I mean, the goal line stand was good. It was
Speaker 1: a back and forth battle in the first half, but
Speaker 1: then it became a It wasn't amazing. It wasn't an
Speaker 1: amazing game. Now, it's not like it came down to
Speaker 1: the wire or something. No, what do you think like
Speaker 1: eight two seven eight, seven four six eight, Kyler is
Speaker 1: a hater man. Seven to two, seven to two. It's
Speaker 1: a seven pass. It's really good. The name is I
Speaker 1: can't go too high in the name. Mister Simms goes
Speaker 1: to Pasadena because it's what like a seven? You're going lower?
Speaker 1: Five six? All right? Five six? Are we disrespecting him,
Speaker 1: mister Simms. We're gonna hear from him. We said it.
Speaker 1: It's in Let's see what the game Kyler? Dude, Russian
Speaker 1: seven point eight, that's pretty good. The Iron iron Man
Speaker 1: match was a nine or eight? Was it? It was
Speaker 1: an eight eight? That's an eighty eight place a full point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Ironman mattress pretty hardcore. It's pretty hard. I mean,
Speaker 1: isn't New York football giants? Well? Look, I would love
Speaker 1: to go higher here. I'm just saying, but you got
Speaker 1: we gotta be got to honor this score the game.
Speaker 1: We have to on the score. But I just want
Speaker 1: people to know, like I tried to give him more,
Speaker 1: and you know, Sam just said, Hey, no, dude, you
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Speaker 1: I'm Julian Edelman, I'm Samuel. We'll see you next game.