WEBVTT - “Super Bowl XXI” with Phil Simms | Giants vs. Broncos 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:14.920 January twenty fifth, nineteen eighty seven, The Rose Bowl, Pasadena, California, 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:21.599 l Way Sims Parcels Belichick lt A tale of two 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:26.720 halves and a quarterbacking performance of the Ages. Are we 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:36.120 going to Disney World? This is Super Bowl twenty one. Hello, 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.720 and welcome to Games with Names, presented by Win Bett. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.640 I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Sam Morrel, and we're on a 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.960 search to find the greatest games of all time. And 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:51.159 on today's episode, we're talking Super Bowl twenty one. The 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:56.360 New York Jets versus the Denver Broncos the Giants. Oh 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.640 that's the Giants. Are you sure? I mean, I know 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.080 some people wish it was the Jets. Yeah, it is. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.920 It's the Giants. It's the Giants. We'll be joined by 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.520 legend Phil Simms in studio, in studio perform. That's why 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.040 I'm wearing this. That's why I'm wearing this. I think 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:18.319 you might be converting Man five and one Giants rolling. Eh. Well, 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.000 you're gonna check on what was going on in nineteen 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:26.120 eighty seven. Yeah, Branuary break down this classic Super Bowl 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.160 and then wrap it up by naming and scoring the game. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:36.360 Make sure to follow games with names on social YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.760 subscribe on Apple podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to podcasts 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.640 and comment on the game you want to see, rate 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.360 review and communicate. Yeah, you know what the key tot 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:52.560 success is communication. Communication. That's that's what happens when you 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:56.160 know we're succeeding. We're on the same same, same, same chemistry, 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.480 same page. That's what it is. Why are we doing 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:03.320 this game? I mean in first Giant super Bowl, that's 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.560 pretty big. A lot of championships with this was the big, 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.880 the big, first super Bowl. So many fun personalities here 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.280 that we teased it, but lt one of the most 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:16.399 fun ever. Sims, who is your coworker, mister Simms. Love 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.639 mister Sims. Love mister Simms. He had one of the 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.840 best quarterbacking performances in Super Bowl history. I believe you 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.160 only had like three incompletions. What was the stat line? 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.520 Twenty two for twenty eight two hundred and sixty six yards, 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:33.040 three touchdowns, five straight scoring drives in the I thought 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.680 it was twenty two or twenty five. Let me think 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.200 that was just in the second half. Really, I think 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:40.799 that was just in the second half. We'll get that 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:45.440 cleaned up. Okay. But Phil Simms sets the Super Bowl 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.440 record for eighty eight percent completion rate. It was the 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.440 first Super Bowl win, like we already stated for the 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.680 New York Football Giants. But we have Lway on the 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.799 other side of this, young John Elway, young guns Stanford 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:04.680 kid l Way. Yeah, pretty boy didn't. He wasn't. Eve. 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:08.640 One of the first to not sign with the team 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.200 was of the Colts. It was the Baltimore Colts at 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.080 the time. He said, no way, I'm gonna go play 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:18.200 for the Yankees. Instead, they trade him to the Denver Broncos. 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:22.200 Becomes a Bronco legend. And this is before he got 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.640 the Super Bowls and he was humbled by mister Simms 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.080 and the New York Football Giants. Yeah. He won at 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.080 the end one at the end. Yeah, but he got 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.239 humbled a couple times in the Super like he got 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.600 blown out by the Niners. Yeah, he got blown out here. 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:37.840 It wasn't until they went to that running game with 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:42.400 Terrell Davis. Yeah, Mi grains remember that he always had. 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.960 Mike said a Migrains. Yeah, I do remember that, Sam, 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:47.920 you were right twenty two of twenty five. My math 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.600 was off. Oh yeah, twenty two of twenty five. Oh 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.200 you ever disrespect miss Let me tell that again. Don't 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:58.240 you ever disrespect mister Simms twenty two of twenty five. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.520 Like mister Burden. Oh yeah, they call me mister Tibbs. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.839 Remember that from the In the Heat of the Night 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:09.200 Sydney Paudier. I like mister Pib. Mister Pib is good, 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:14.640 better than Doctor Pepper. Just has like thirty times more caffeine. Really, 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.320 I think that that was the their selling point. It 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.200 had way more caffeine. Remember jolt I was just gonna say, 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.040 that's insane that you just said that. Dude. They had 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.080 jolt gum. Yeah, you have to be a real piece 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.720 of shit kid to be chewing Jolt gu on your skateboard, 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:34.320 just chewing the nineties. Serge was the other one. Serge 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.159 was a little much. I didn't like. It was like 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.520 Mountain Dewey, right, yeah. And the commercial was like s 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.280 like it was like an avalanche of kids just like running. 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.479 I think, yeah, I don't remember that, but I can 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.159 only imagine with I think they had like three hundred 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.360 milligrams of caffeine and you have a twelve year old 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.880 drink in it. That was a demo. I mean it 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.880 was crazy. Uh. I mean four loco is like the 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.200 you know, the alcoholic version, but this was like pre 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:03.080 four loco Joel cola. That was it was fucking bad 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.800 for you. This was pre people knowing soda was terrible 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.320 for you. I think they knew, they did. They My 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.760 parents won't let me drink it, nah, just because they 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:13.320 want to deal with the sugar high. But they didn't 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.320 know it was terrible for you. They didn't know if 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.760 you you put like a nail in a cup of 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.360 coke and it dissolves in like a day. Is that 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.320 Does that really happen? A nails? Let me check on 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.160 that or something. Mister of caffeine though, that's a lot. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.839 It's a lot in the in the flavor is technically 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:35.520 spicy cherry. Damn. There was always the There was always 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:40.159 the uh, like the rumor or like the oh my, 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.640 the urban myth that what was it? A doctor pepper 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:49.400 was like apricot or no prune prune soda. Yeah, do 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.320 you ever hear that? I've heard it's like thirty one 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.560 flavors or something like. I thought it was like the prune. 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.839 It was like carbonated prune juice. Yeah, is it? Is 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.440 it prune juice? No? What is it? Jase? Let me 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.600 check on that quick, fron juice. But let's go back 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:09.080 January twenty seventh, nineteen eighty seven. On this day, the 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:14.039 number one movie in America was Critical Condition. You can't 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:15.520 see that. I don't even know what. I don't either, 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.120 what is it? I don't Let's move on, move on, 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.920 move on, move on. The number one song in America 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:24.000 at this point or at this moment by Billy Vera 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.559 and the Beaters. The Beaters? Was Chris Brown in that group? 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.440 What the I guess he would have been too young? 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.440 What who? I don't know that song? Can we get 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:39.279 a sample? This was? Will legal allow it? Can we 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:43.640 play a sample? All right? Forget it? Sorry? No legal. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.200 But Aretha Franklin inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.440 of Fame, first female inductee. That's crazy. I mean that's 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:54.640 she was a she could sing legend. I was at 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.280 a roast once years ago and it was the Matt 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.800 Lower Roast. I was in the crowd and she sang 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.880 the national anthem and Jeff Ross comes out and his 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.840 first line is, wow, thought that was amazing. Usually it's 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.880 it's not over till the fat lady sings. Oh that 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:10.480 was the opening line, and just cut the her giving 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.200 him the finger, And I was like, well, I guess 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:19.560 this is a roast dude. That's gnarly. Yeah comedy, Yeah, 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:27.640 straight for jugulars full House premieres. Yeah. Unfortunately, I'm looking 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:32.200 for a house in the market in Los Angeles. Shed 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.640 a single tear because I looked at Bob Saget's house. 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.239 Oh man, it was a cool house. I bet cool house, 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:42.040 whol house. Ah. But you know, I just didn't cross 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.280 the line with mister Tanner and his the core. He 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:46.880 was a he was a classy dude. I knew a 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:48.560 little bit, and he was a really really I've heard 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:52.280 nothing but insane things. Really everyone he's you know, left 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.560 a great impact dude. He knew everyone. He was like 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.320 friends with Rodney Dangerfield. I mean he's been around forever. 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:01.600 You know. I'll tell you I love this. My mother 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.360 never breastfed me. She told me she liked me as 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:08.520 a friend. Classic. I love Rodney. That's good. I could 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.600 do right. I'm back to schools. Like my favorite comedy 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.920 is it? Oh my god, it's like bulletproof. So many 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.040 good laughs in that movie. The scene with the wife's 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.800 so many back and forth where she goes, oh, you're impossible, 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.000 Oh yeah, and you're easy. Like there's so many hard 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:29.200 laughs in that movie Killer Oh. The Simpsons Debuts is 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.480 a series of shorts on the Tracy Omens Show. I 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:35.480 mean The Simpsons nineteen eighty seven. I mean, that's that's 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.360 a crazy That first season of writers on The Simpsons 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.040 is like all from Taxi with all like heavyweight writers. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:46.079 Yeah you know, I mean it's lasted forever. Yeah, it's 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:50.000 I'm still going. It's one of the great shows. Beverly 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.840 Hills Cop topped the movie charts, while Dirty Dance Scene 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.360 was an unexpected hit. Love both. I never saw Dirty Dancing, 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.520 but I can't believe I have never seen it. No 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.120 one puts baby in a corner. I get the reference, 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:03.880 but I don't get there. You don't get the reference. 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:07.840 I know it's Beverly Hills Cop is spectacular. My dad, 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:09.800 that was like an important thing. My dad was like, 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.439 we have to watch Beverly Hills Cop. And you know 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.640 it's like he loved Beverly Hills Cop. Oh mean it 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:16.840 was the best. I liked the third one when they 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.360 went to the amusement park. A lot of people hated it. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:21.920 A lot of people thought it sucked. That's when I 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.560 you know that you always kind of favor up with 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.240 like the movie that you grew like you cross traject 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:31.920 with like your age where you kind of start getting 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.160 jokes like the Rockies, Like I didn't like the first 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.640 three until I like grew up and I was older. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.040 But when like Rocky four came out, it was like 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.280 Action eighties, like that's the one I liked because I 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.520 was at the age where I could understand, no, I know, 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.240 you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, and then you 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.800 rewatch like, oh, that's way better that one's been. But 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:51.679 I never saw Beverly Hills Cop three. The first two 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.679 are Killer Killer, Light's Out, Mike Tyson's punch Out. Oh 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.320 my god, I remember that shit. I do. Yeah, I 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.040 remember that they had didn't they have they had the 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.400 box they had No, they didn't have that yet. They 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.880 had something that was duck Hunt because this was this 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.160 had to be a Nintendo. But the Arcade, I think 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.640 was the Arcade did have the thing when you do that, Remember, 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.880 I felt like we were terrible podcasting, but yeah, we're 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:21.120 we're holding on to things and you hit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.679 Well people watch us on YouTube too, maybe yeah. Yeah. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.920 It was an adaptation of the nineteen eighty four arcade 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.720 game punch Out. Yeah. Interesting, that's what it is. Mike 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.280 Tyson moved to thirty two and oh, first Unified champ 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:38.920 since nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, it was like Super Bowl Sunday. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:40.880 Anytime he fought. When I was a kid, he was 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.959 the baddest dude, terrifying. I mean, you saw him fuck 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.280 that guy up in Delta one. That was like he 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.199 still got it. I mean I do tip my hat 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:56.280 to that man that was jawing Mike Tyson. I don't 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.880 he sucked. I mean, I don't understand, like this guy's 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.199 got balls. I think he does? He have balls? Or 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:07.559 is he just stupid? Could be a mixture of both. Probably. Yeah. 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:12.600 Let's get to the nineteen eighty six eighty seven NFL season. 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.760 Bo Jackson was the first overall pick to the Tampa 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:20.760 Bay Buccaneers, but pulled an l way and went to 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.520 the Royals instead. In saying that he was that good 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:27.600 at sports, dude, he was so monstery. Remember and when 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.960 he played with the Royals and he scathed the wall, 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:36.320 caught like he tracked a ball probably like sixty yards 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.800 that was on a rope, scales a wall, runs up 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.040 the wall, throws a guy. I mean, he was so athletic. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:47.480 And the baseball pants they looked like under armour on him, 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.800 and before under armour was even made, he just his 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:55.000 thighs were like chafing while he was running like a gazelle. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.320 He was a gazelle. I just watched the Nolan Ryan doc. Yeah, 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.679 which is amazing if you haven't seen it, but there's 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.360 a great scene of Bo Jackson versus Nolan. It's just 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:07.280 like Alpha versus alfa legend versus legend, and he fucking 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.240 he did. You know, you forget Nolan Ryan wasn't invincible. 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.640 It's like, yeah, he hit some bombs off him, dude, 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.360 you know, and people forget that Bo Jackson was that 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.240 good of a baseball player. He was. He was great 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:24.679 at baseball. In football, really good record set. Dan Marino 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:29.240 most passing attempts with six hundred and twenty three, Dan 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:34.760 Marino most completions with three hundred and seventy eight. Those 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.520 have been topped, Those have had to be in topped. Yeah, 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.840 gotta be let me look into that MVP Lawrence Taylor, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.040 first defensive player to win the awards in nineteen seventy one, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.880 twenty point five sacks, one hundred and six total tackles, 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:55.240 and I mean he was just the baddest dude. He's 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.160 a savant player. I mean, you know, to hear the 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.040 stories about him, and I'm sure mister Sims will give 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:06.000 us a couple. Uh. I'm looking forward to hearing it 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.360 because all the stories I've heard is he's just a 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.760 yeah he It didn't matter what time Betty went, what time, 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.640 what time he went to bed, or what he was doing, 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.440 he was gonna be bawling on the football field. Yeah, 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.640 like one of the early party but still delivered. I 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:27.480 mean epic. Yeah. Coach of the Year Bill Parcells. I 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.439 wonder if we're gonna get some good stories about him, 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.640 that'll be that'll be interesting. The rule change, the first 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:40.079 introduction of the replay for the officials. Wow, they they 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.240 still haven't got that one down. It just lengthens the 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:48.280 game regardless the referee. Play has gotten so inconsistent. I mean, 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.959 there's black and there's white. We have so much gray 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.400 in our rules right now. It's fucking ridiculous. I can't 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:59.839 watch a game without like it's terrible. Yeah, like, let 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.240 the boys play. I know we got lawsuits, people are 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.520 getting hurt in head, but like, all right, we know 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.000 what we signed up for. Oh dude, it's I mean, 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.400 how about baseball with these replays, You're like, this is 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.120 already the slowest game on the planet. Baseball you need 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:17.120 to not have replays, kay, get it right? Or three innings, 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:21.120 one picture and a guy on second. Let's you're getting 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.200 rid of the guy running out and kicking dirt on 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.800 the umpire's feet because you're reviewing it. I want to 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.840 see a guy be like fuck you and get thrown out. Yeah, 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.200 Like remember that one dude who went outrageous in like 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.080 a triple A team's thrown what was the what's the 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.880 thing called the chalk? Yeah they have those anymore. The 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.480 rosen bag, the rosenbag, they still have them. I don't 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.200 see him as often. I think they're back. There are 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.000 they back? They got to be in the bullpen, right, 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.440 gotta be got into that man. But I remember that 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.080 one guy who like had a crazy meltdown the manager 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.960 like threw one at the bomb like bear chrome, Like 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.000 those are always fun. I don't. I do remember Robbie 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.920 Alamar spitting on a manager and being like, holy shit, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:05.800 that's crazy, great player, you will You can't spit on him, man, 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.800 you can't spit an umpire. No, you can't. You just 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:13.040 can't do it. Bill Romanowski's spitting it a JJ Stokes face. Yeah, 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.640 he was a fucking scary dude. He was maniac. Yeah. 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.120 Did you know him? No? Yeah, he still looks like 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.520 a maniac. Yeah, what were you doing in nineteen eighty seven? 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.840 We were both babies, dude, I don't remember. I don't 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.560 remember either, But I've got pictures, do you? I mean, 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.560 my mom does what kind of pictures. There's one picture. 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.400 My mom's an artist, so there's one picture of me 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.960 in like a gean. Her artsy friend took a picture 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.400 of me in a jean jacket, dick just flopping out, 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:41.960 and it's a it's a baby dick. Yeah. I don't 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.480 know why we had I mean, like, there's no need 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.680 for this. She has it up in her in her office. 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.480 I'm like, why is this? Who is this for? You know, 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.600 technically you can get you can get some trouble for 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.560 that these days, I don't if it's your son. I 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.160 think you're okay. I don't know. I don't know. I 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:02.280 don't know. I wonder how a bigger penis at one. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.280 I was not looking great in that fot. I I mean, 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.040 it's not looking amazing too. Jews. It is not gonna 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:08.800 come away, but it's not gonna be a good uh. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.760 I don't know how they performed the circumcision. Yeah, put 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.360 it this way. It was not looking great. Yeah. Yeah. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:20.120 Let's get into the teams. New York Football Giants fourteen 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.000 and two path to the Super Bowl beat my San 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:27.600 Francisco forty nine ers forty three smoked him. They were 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.840 physical at the line of scrimmage. I remember seeing the 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.280 old footage. You gotta be physical with the finesse niners. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.800 I think Joe was hurt too. Maybe that was the 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.200 reason beat the Redskins, beat the Redskins, and Joe gibb 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.280 beat Joe Gibbing the Redskins in the Wind Bowl. Coach 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:49.320 by Bill Parcells, defensive coordinator old coach Belichick, special teams 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:54.040 coach Romeo Cournell, and we'll leave it at that. Mister 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.360 Sim's gonna be on here. He had a career high 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:02.040 four game winning drives. This year he had three thousand, 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:07.639 four hundred and eighty seven yards, twenty one touchdowns, twenty 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.159 two interceptions. We gotta gotta you gotta get that, uh 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.359 that ratio better, mister Simms. Yeah, well, he wasn't scared 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.280 to let it fly. He was not scared to let 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.080 it fly, and that that's what made him good competitor, 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:24.879 get it done. Second, uh second, and the last player 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:29.040 to ever win MVP. Oh, Lawrence Taylor. All right, there 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:33.720 we go. That's crazy. Lawrence Taylor the second and Lewis 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.800 I never won a regular season DOP and DYP Defensive 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.800 Player of the Year or d O p Y. That's 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.400 crazy that that's never happened. Yeah, I mean it's quarterback. 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:49.200 It's a quarterback. That's a quarterback award. Yeah. Who, I mean, 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.000 when's the who? What's the last quarterback that hasn't got it? 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.600 We'll have to ask Jackie on the take a look 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:59.359 right now? All right? They all said Carl Banks, which 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:04.520 he was an absolute monster legend. Some people even say 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.640 he was the best linebacker on the team. I don't know, 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:13.640 I mean during that postseason running he kind of was. Yeah, 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.200 the last non QB to win the MVP was former 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:22.080 guest Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson running twenty twelve and dangered species. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.960 The running back. I don't know. Have you seen Saquon Barkley, Dude, 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.040 I'm saying that we'll see he's bringing it back. Dude, Well, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.000 we'll see. Talk about legs. You know about Bo Jackson's legs. 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:37.639 Have you seen Saquon's leg? Quadzilla? Yeah, Quadzilla. They had 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:43.119 the eighth ranked scoring offense led by mister Simms and 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:48.320 All Pro tight end Mark Bavaro and running back Joe Morris. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:54.480 Second rank scoring defense defensive coordinator. Of course, Bill Belichick 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:58.600 and his little schemes that I hope we get into. 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:02.240 With old mister Simms, they had the nickname the Blue 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.840 or the Big Blue Wrecking Crew. Yeah. And he got 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.359 the Denver Broncos who are eleven and five, first in 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:13.400 the AFC West. They beat New England twenty two seventeen 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.639 in the Divisional. They beat the Browns in the conference. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:23.520 The drive coach Dan Reeves. They had Elway, Gary Kubiak 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:27.720 backup quarterback head coach. Yeah. And then you have Tom Jackson, 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:34.159 Sammy Winder. Eighth ranked offense, eighteenth or fifteenth ranked defense sorry, 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:41.400 led by all pros Carl Melcolmberg and I think that's 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:47.280 why the Giants won and ruland Jones great d run 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.760 and it was always fourth season. He was a scrambling man. 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:54.880 I mean he was hard to get down. Hit a cannon. Yeah, 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:56.760 they said that he was like one of the highest 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.600 projected draft quarterbacks in the history. For you the game, 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.440 like when he came out, he was a non you 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.159 would not miss if you got John Elway. And it's 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.720 crazy to see how he got to the Denver Broncos, 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:09.680 saying he was going to hold out to play for 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:11.359 the Yankees because he was a two sport athlete. The 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.760 guy was a stud. Yeah, that didn't end up happening, 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:19.200 ended up with Denver Broncos, and uh the rest is history. 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.240 And he was able to win them games and was 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.920 clutching the playoffs with the drive. And that's we talked 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:28.400 about what matters. That's why we're bringing Phil Simms here. So, uh, 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:32.200 you know, Elway was a he was a beast. Yeah, 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:37.600 absolute beast. Let's get to the game. First half. Giants 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.600 open up with the score on the first possession. They 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:46.359 trade scores, Broncos miss cues and missed opportunities. They missed 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.399 a twenty three yard field goal. Crazy to miss that 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:50.840 in the Super Bowl because I think he hit the 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.240 longest one too right and missed the shortest. Yeah. Yeah, 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:55.479 hit forty eight yard which was tied for the longest, 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:57.600 and then turned around and said the record missing the 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:59.960 twenty three yarder twenty three. And he also missed a 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.280 thirty four yarder, which is kind of a gimme. Elwa 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.800 takes a safety. That's never good. Had a chance to 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:11.879 go up seventeen to seven, but didn't. Not their best 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:15.680 half by any means, but the Giants hung in there. 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:19.240 They had a couple goal line stands, which was huge, 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:23.000 and to go in at halftime only down one point 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:27.200 with the miscues that the Giants had was pretty impressive. 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.960 So probably confident Sims puts on a show. He's twenty 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:35.800 two of twenty five three touchdowns, led five straight scoring 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.119 drives in the second he couldn't miss his target. No, 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:43.840 in the second, five straight scoring drives. Yeah, unbelievable, and 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.760 they just pulled away. I mean you see that moment 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:51.359 where like Elway just couldn't do shit in the second half. Yeah, 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:55.199 that defense was too hostile. It was amazing. Yeah, a 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:58.760 lot of good playmakers on that defense. So it was 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:00.800 a rematch from earlier in the year with the Giants 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:05.200 one nineteen sixteen, and they forced four turnovers in that one. 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:07.879 Things we might have forgotten Neil Diamond did the National 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.720 and Neil Diamond, that's he's a Boston guy. Yeah, I 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:13.880 think I've seen I've seen him at some I think 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:15.840 it was a charity event. I mean they always play 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:18.600 him at the Red Sox games, right, yeah, sweet Caroline, Yeah, 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:22.720 they bugs the shit out of me. And seventh inning, 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:26.520 right or is it seventh inning? Yep? Seventh or is 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:30.720 it the eighth? Because anything is take me o too, 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.360 and then we go after that usually we have. It's 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:37.280 always amazing when you have a huge lead against the Yankees. 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:39.639 You got them in there and they're pinstripes and all 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:46.719 of a sudden you started swinging, singing, sweet calve, how 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:51.919 they find the world has never been so good? Hard 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:55.879 hard up. Meanwhile, the Yankees are cotton eye Joe. Have 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.280 you ever heard that one? No? Where did you come from? 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:00.480 Where'd you go? Where did you come from? God? Ni Joe, 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:05.399 you've never seen that one? Brutal? Yeah, that's pretty forgettable 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:11.400 almost forgettable halftime show is George Burns, Mickey Rooney. This 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:13.720 is this is old school that you have comedians doing. 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:18.240 You have a comedian George and George Burns have that 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:20.560 famous joke and it only takes one drink to get 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:22.320 me drunk. The trouble is, I can't remember if it's 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:26.119 the thirteenth or fourteenth. That's a that's some classic joke, right, 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.200 And I don't know. I don't I don't know. I 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:30.280 don't know George Burns. I don't know him that one. 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:31.879 You know his face if you see him, if I 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:33.959 saw him, yeah, you know it is. See, you're starting 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:36.639 to get me more and more, you know, I mean 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.840 not know, No, you know the name, but the face. 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.040 Oh you know that guy? Yeah, I see, I've seen 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:46.919 that future classic. Yeah, that's like one hundred. He's around 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:51.160 smoking cigars, living to one hundred. What old school man, 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:57.240 that's just good jeans. Yeah. Uh. The first, the first 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:02.520 gatorade shower in Super Bowl history and the first I'm 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:06.960 going to disney Land. I'm going to disney World. Where 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:11.800 are you going, Phil Simms, I'm going to disney World. Yeah, 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:15.159 first one of those two. That's pretty epic. It is 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:17.440 because you think of that as every year now and 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:19.920 you think of the you said, I'm going to Disney World. 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:22.680 I said it a couple of times, and and the 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:26.200 almost it the Golden Shower, the Gatorade shower. It was 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:29.760 not the Golden Shower. It was not, but it could be. 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:32.880 Could have been lemon lime, could have been lemon lime. 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:38.600 It's kind of close. Depends. That's that's I always liked 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:41.719 lemon lime or fruit punch. I like the ridge kind 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:44.159 of mind too. Although the blue is pretty good too. 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:48.040 And they have an ice one. There's like some ice flavor. No, 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:53.040 it's it's like a blue ice, light blue, pretty delicious. 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:55.080 Back in the day, you would win ship from Gatorade. 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.640 They would have the glass Gatorade bottles and they would 0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:00.920 have prizes under the cap here. He was a great hack. 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:03.320 Lemon ice was the clear flavor. You could just straight 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:05.320 up look under and see if you want. So, I 0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:08.400 just always win. I remember those two. I think, yeah, 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.200 but it didn't. It didn't. It wasn't better than the 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:14.600 McDonald's monopoly Dude that I was like a fat kid 0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:18.639 because of that game. I had tits because of that 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:21.280 fucking because I thought I was gonna get boardwalk, and 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:23.240 I was. I was stuck on park Place like a 0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.479 degenerate gambler. It was terrible. I wonder if they did 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.640 it like regionally, like there's like one Broadway over here, 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:33.919 one park Place in like New Hampshire, because I had 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.240 dreamed I remember dreaming about that watching blank Check that 0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:40.320 remember that movie blank Check. I'm gonna win. I'm gonna 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:43.800 get boardwalk in park Place or whatever it was. They 0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:47.520 were really raising like the most unhealthy kids because you're 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:51.720 a gambler and you're eating McDonald's, just you're raising disgusting people. 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:54.600 That was me, I mean that was America. I was 0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:56.800 all in on it, dude. And then you'd be like 0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:59.719 fucking you know, oh, he'd be like Atlantic Avenue, Who 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:03.360 gives shit? What are the bad ones? Like Railroad? Yeah, 0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:10.200 railroad that hurt. Let me get two hundred dollars for gas? 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:12.879 What was? What was? What were the really bad ones 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:18.359 with like the shittiest the Reds. The Reds were okay 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:24.960 I'm talking. I'm thinking like the like Kentucky Avenue, Yeah, no, good, 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:34.080 Pennsylvania Avenue, Cares, Tennessee Avenue, Virginia Avenue, yeah, Avenue, Mediterranean 0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:37.520 Avenue Mediterranean. They get weird of everything, throwing like oriental 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:39.680 and you're like, wait a second, who made this game? 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:46.480 Bunch of racists? The Gaming Corner presented by wind Bet. 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:53.679 Uh So, the Giants were nine point five and they 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.760 covered minus nine and a half points. Yeah, yikes, over 0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:00.920 and under forty one points that went over. I mean 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:03.040 they just crush them in the second half. They never 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:04.840 look back. I mean I bet you a lot of 0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:09.359 gamblers got heard on this one. Yeah, because nine and 0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:11.199 a half points in a super I don't care who 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.800 you got, you got the Giants. See, I'm a new 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.640 g I'm still new to this, so actually I should 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.359 just keep my mouth shut. Well what should we do? 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.600 What should our bet be with sims? How about how 0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:25.680 about if we say how many times we can say 0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.119 the New York Football Giants. I mean it's like just 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.520 the classic word we have to the New York Football Giants. 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:33.960 We're gonna set the line up. What are you thinking, Jack, 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.080 what do you think we can hit? I think five 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.120 and a half sounds reasonable. Five and a half that's 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.280 not that many we could definitely that's easy, I mean 0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:43.320 easily do five and a half. Yeah, I would take 0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:47.520 the we'll see, we'll see what the listeners think. Maybe 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:49.840 we'll get it, maybe we won't. All right, well, we're 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:53.440 gonna have Phil Sims in the studio joining us. Excited, 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:55.639 rare to get a guy in the studio. But it is, 0:27:56.359 --> 0:28:01.040 you know, we're still we're still like breakfasting COVID. Yeah. 0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:04.960 So but until then, let's take a quick break. You know, 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.200 there's two times of Pro Bowl that ship bothers me. 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:11.600 Excuse me, I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, just ship. 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:15.560 But you know, guys make so many Pro Bowls now 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:19.720 because the first seven quarterbacks pull out. I mean, yeah, Phil, 0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:23.040 I should have said, yes, you should have. I didn't 0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:25.800 because every time you were competing for Super Bowls. Well. 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.280 The other thing is too, the Pro Bowl was scary. Well, 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:32.640 they used to hit. It was scary. Here's the play call. 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:34.120 All right, guys, I'm gonna get rid of it quick. 0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:38.080 Please protect me. Here's the play. I'm not exaggerating because 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:40.080 it was Did people get injured in the Pro Bowl back? 0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.280 Oh no, but it was killed the quarterback. You think 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:44.440 they were gonna tay cared if the running back ran 0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:47.320 through there. They wanted to get Sacks and that was it. So, 0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:50.480 mister Simms, are you are you trying to? Are sorry? Phil? 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:53.000 Phil where you can call me mister Shims? All right, 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:56.360 you let me know. Okay, do you ever think you 0:28:56.400 --> 0:29:00.000 got up roughing the passer call? You know, I don't 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:02.960 don't remember roughing the past or being a you know, 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.040 something you could throw a flag on. I'm sure I did, 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.480 but I don't remember it. Yeah, I just don't remember 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:10.840 roughing the past or being part of the game. And 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.240 sometimes every once in a while go buy a TV 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:15.200 and I see an old game of ours and I 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.840 look up there and I just laugh, Oh my gosh, 0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:23.000 the wonder I'm beat up? No, but you know it's 0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:25.720 really it was just a different era. Nobody thought anything 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:29.000 about it, you know. So that's why he's tough, and 0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:32.640 that's why you feel the toughness off of Phil Sims 0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:36.840 when you're working with him every week Tuesday on Inside 0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:41.840 the NFL streaming on Paramount Plus. And let's welcome mister 0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:46.760 Philip Sims from Kentucky. Yes, this is Sam Rew, my 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:51.080 co host talk to you. I'm Julian Kentucky man. That's 0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:54.560 like mister Kentucky, mister Kentucky. What do you mean? It's 0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:58.000 like what I love Kentucky? What's you talking about? Bourbon? Country? 0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:00.960 About a bourbon? Yeah, and everybody thinks I'm a bourbon drinker. 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.760 I don't like Bourbon's too sweet. Not a big drinker. 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:05.800 But well, if you do drink, what is it? What's 0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:10.480 your god to? I like to get there quick? Crystal 0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:14.200 crystal meth? That's no. Well no, well it tastes terrible, 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:17.239 but I feel better. Yeah, no, yeah, that's that's one 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:20.320 thing comes with age. Yeah, you don't mind a cocktail 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:21.800 at night every once in a while, that's for sure. 0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:26.920 So what's what's the cocktail thing that you do? Like? Vodka? Baka? 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.560 All right, well before we start, Yeah, well, mister Sims, Phil, 0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:32.200 I don't know what to call you now. Now I 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.120 feel the nervous I feel like we're on the same 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:37.320 you know. Wait, just do what you always do, mister Shim. 0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:42.200 I'll call you miss mister Shim. Mister Shim. Yeah, Well 0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:45.080 go ahead, so you know, before we start, we got 0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:49.600 your little accolades here, seventh overall pick in the nineteen 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:51.720 seventy nine draft. Yeah, that went over well with the 0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.360 giant fans, did it? Yeah, oh yeah. Were they pissed? 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:58.120 Oh yeah, do they want? Well, I don't think anybody 0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:01.680 back then, Thank god, you and everybody wasn't out there 0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:04.800 going over every player, so the fans really didn't know 0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.760 the players. I wasn't surprised. I went seventh, the seventh pick, 0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.440 and it was talking you going earlier. Uh no, I 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:14.240 think I knew all the teams that were gonna probably 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:16.400 draft me, and I knew the Giant said. They basically 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:20.160 said two weeks for the we're taking you. And they 0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:23.240 told my coach that too. From Morehead State. Yeah no, yeah, 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:25.440 I know from Morehead State. Moorhead State. Fun Fact is 0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:30.960 named after a man pleading with his Jewish wife. Oh okay, 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:36.200 this is a podcast. He's a two time super Bowl champ, 0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:40.719 a super Bowl MVP, and like, you see we got 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:42.960 something in common. But you were the first to do 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:45.640 the Disney commercial, right, I was, did you get to 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:47.719 do it too? I did it twice? Oh, you did 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.600 it twice. I did for you twice. Yeah, I did it. 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.880 And I was like, what am I doing here? But 0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:56.520 you know, walking across the field, I'm going and I 0:31:56.680 --> 0:32:00.360 just was embarrassed because it's a football game. I just 0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:03.120 you know, I don't. We're old school. You are too, 0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:05.600 and I just said, what are we doing here? I mean, 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.440 it's just not right. But I'm glad I did it 0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:11.400 a lot of reasons. You started the trend. Yeah, it 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.560 was great. Were you nervous? I mean, coming out of 0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.840 Kentucky coming to New York City in the eighties, was 0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:19.720 that at all? Like such a big market. I guess 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.200 they hadn't won it ever, they never won a super 0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:25.000 Bowl right at that point. No, they hadn't, But no, 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:26.960 they won a lot of championships back in the old 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.760 days in the fifties. But no, I wasn't nervous about 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.160 coming up. You know, people always ask me those kind 0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:34.760 of questions, which I understand. I played at Morehead State 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:37.400 and my favorite games when we were away and we 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:40.840 were at homecoming because everybody picked us for our homecoming team. 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:43.040 You know what, we want to win, let's play Morehead State. 0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.480 But the great thing is there was a crowd there. Yeah, 0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:47.520 you know, so, I mean I love the fact having 0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:50.160 a crowd, and sometimes they would chant my name, like 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:52.600 kill Sims. I'm like, man, I must be really doing 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:56.680 pretty good. But yeah, I wasn't nervous and Jill's you 0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:00.160 know this too, the football field. It doesn't matter where 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:03.160 it is or whatever, it's the same. Yeah, And you know, 0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:06.280 how did you adapt from small college to this, I 0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:08.880 don't know. You know, after a few practices you get 0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:10.920 the hang of it. You have no choice how they 0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:13.640 replace you. Yeah, well don't that. You just kind of adjust, 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:16.400 you go. Oh, I threw that pass and the linebacker 0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.240 picked it off, which I've never seen before. So the 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:20.760 next time, I said, I got to be a little 0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:25.440 more paying more attention whatever, see it differently. And I 0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:28.000 don't know, I felt like even my rookie year, you 0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.400 kind of pick up with the talent and go from there. Well, 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:34.480 there's always like a defining play when you're a younger 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:37.280 person or a rookie in the league. Like for me, 0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:39.840 it was when I ran a punt back in the preseason. 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:41.240 Then I was like, all right, I could play with 0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:43.920 these guys. Yeah, there's always one defining moment like it 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.480 could have been the next time you threw that cover 0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.240 two with the linebacker not picking it. You're like, all right, 0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:52.280 I just got to not make the same mistake twice, right, 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:54.680 you know, So that there's always that one play that 0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:58.280 always defines. All right, give you that I got. Yeah, 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.120 my would be this. I didn't play in our first 0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:03.480 preseason game with the Giants. They wanted to hold me out, 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:05.760 give me another week of practice. So we go down 0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:08.400 to Pittsburgh. Well, okay, Pittsburgh's are on their way to 0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:10.759 win in their fourth Super Bowl that year, and they 0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.480 decided me to play in Three Rivers Stadium. And I 0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:17.360 get under the center and go, there's Joe Green, there's Elsie. 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:19.440 I can't. I mean, it was unbelievable. It was eight 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:22.360 Hall of Famers and I'm looking at him going, you 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.880 know it was something else. They want to rip your 0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:28.200 head off. Yeah, I mean I got great stories about 0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.680 that game. But there's me and Joe Green. I mean, 0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:32.759 let's stalk the game. I need some autographs. You know, 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:36.279 all these guys that I idolized, Terry Bradshaw growing up. Yeah, 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:38.480 and there I was playing against him, you know, so 0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:40.480 it was really did he say anything? Like after the game, 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:42.560 you ever say anything to you when you were young? No, 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:44.480 I didn't get to talk to him after that game. 0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:49.080 I mean, Joe Green said something to me. We talked 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.760 for a second and all that. And then eight years 0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:54.440 later we had won the Super Bowl and we're playing there. 0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:56.719 He's a coach with the Steelers, and he comes over 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.719 and grabs me and goes, my, boy, you've grown up. 0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:03.080 And I was like, oh, you remember we played. It 0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:06.359 was really cool. He was he's probably a charmer. Yeah, 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:08.440 he was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, of course he 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:11.800 was a one of the greatest defensive linemen in history. 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.040 But it was pretty cool to play against him and 0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:15.920 then have him say that too many years later, so 0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:18.520 at least I must have done well. I did throw 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:20.680 an interception for a touchdown to them for about eighty 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.120 yards that night, but I think that's when it I 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.400 realized I could play. Yeah, because practice and all that 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:29.520 and down there. It wasn't like a great statistical game 0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:31.960 or anything. Like my dad drove up from Louisville, Kentucky 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:35.000 with my mom and after the game he goes, I 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.160 don't know, guy, just say. He goes, boy, I think 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:39.520 that's the best I've ever seen you play. And I 0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:41.840 didn't do anything, really, but I think he just was 0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.239 worried about my transition from college to the pros. How's 0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:48.319 it going to look? Yeah, And he's like, oh, it's okay. 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:51.919 You can he'll survive? Yeah, that's cool. Well it was cool. 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.240 You know, we came here because this is called games 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:59.200 with Names, Right, we're on the search for the best 0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:02.920 games of all time. Super Bowl twenty one, which was 0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:06.920 the kickstart to the New York Football Giants and the 0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:10.800 New York Football Giants' success going forward. You were a 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.520 huge part of that. Some people say you had the 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:18.440 best game in Super Bowl history for a quarterback. But 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.960 what was nineteen eighty seven? Like, what was it was? 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:25.520 Nineteen eighty seven? I was one years old, so I 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.960 can't remember one. We were one. We were one. But 0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:30.600 you were in the heat of it. You were in 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:33.400 the prime of your life. Well, I thought you were 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.719 talking about the eighty seven season after the Super Bowl. 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:39.359 What was like life like, mister Simms? Just walking down 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:45.080 you know, Broadway, starting quarterback of the New York Football Giants, 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:49.920 you know, hanging out with LT going golfing, you know, Like, 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:52.759 what was it like? It's nothing like you think it 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:56.080 was nothing? Well, I don't know. It wasn't glamorous. I 0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:58.440 mean I think that was when the fans kind of 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.319 went all right, we'll to hang around a few more years. 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:03.520 You know. It was tough. You know, I had a 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:07.160 lot of tough years, and you know, we had tough 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:10.160 outings in a couple of playoff games or years before that. 0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:12.480 But for it to all come together and you know, 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:15.040 my god, you were on many Super Bowl teams. It 0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.120 just it's amazing how I just kind of rolls and 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:20.440 all of a sudden, you go, wow, we really got 0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:22.560 a chance big time to win all this, and I 0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:25.600 think we realized that late in that year. But we 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:28.879 just whenever the plays had to be made or anything big, 0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:32.120 we always came through. And that's you know, kind of 0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:35.280 I know, you know that sensation, but you get confident, 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:38.520 you believe in everything. And and I think the biggest 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.200 thing too, I learned from Bill Parcells many things, but 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:43.239 when you're out there playing, don't ever think about winning 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:45.920 and lose and just do it, man, pay attention to 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.600 what you're doing. And when I did that, I usually 0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:51.040 played pretty well. Well. You had you talked about going 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:54.560 against this scary Pittsburgh defense when you're young, but I mean, 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:58.480 now you have this defense behind you, like Lt. Carl Bunks, 0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.040 like these are dudes you don't want to go again. Well, 0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.760 we were loaded. Yeah, gosh, I havem throw an interception 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.560 which I wasn't afraid to throw them, and I would 0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:09.160 be walking off the field and Lawrence Taylor literally would 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:10.920 go by, don't worry, We'll get it back for you 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:16.080 in better position. And I'd go, okay, like take the 0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:17.600 steam off of it. It was great, you know, I 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.480 would feel but it was kind of true. Yeah. Man, 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.560 we'd get turnovers, they would make plays and even though 0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:27.520 we'd mess it up, we'd get good field position, give 0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:29.920 us another chance. But our defense, we played to it. 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:32.080 They were great. And of course you've said some of 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.320 those names. Man, we had a lot of good players. 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.760 Of course, you have to to win Super Bowls. There's 0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:40.720 actually talks about when you were coming out from Morehead 0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:46.360 State that Bill Walsh came down. Yeah, talk to you. 0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:48.520 I remember you talking about something like that, and that 0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:51.480 he was actually more interested in getting you than Montana. Well, 0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:53.520 he got Joe Montana. He didn't get me in the 0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:56.400 first round. He had to do with Joe Montana in 0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:58.520 the third round. Yeah. I feel bad for him, man, 0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.640 but it was one of the greatest experience. It was 0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:05.120 a great experience him. He came down twice. Yeah, and uh, 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.239 we threw and so every I did back then, there 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:11.239 wasn't no what was a combine just for injuries. But 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:14.880 every team wanted to see your workout. So I probably 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:18.600 did at least twenty workouts that off season, and Bill 0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:20.440 wash came down. Everybody wanted to see the same thing. 0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:23.640 Let it go, just throw it, so man, you know, okay, 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:26.279 I'll do it. And I'd have like seven receivers out 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:28.160 there and throw it as hard as I could throw it. 0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:31.280 Bill Walsh is there. I start throwing it. I'm crushing 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:33.359 the ball. You know, it's coming out of my hand. 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.560 I'm like, man, I am ripping it today. He goes, 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.520 what are you doing? And I go, well, what isn't 0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:39.680 this what you want to see? He goes, I don't 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:41.600 want to know, and then he went to you know 0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:44.239 the Bill Wash, No, I want you to be graceful, 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.759 try to be pretty. They actually said this, and I'm 0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:49.520 looking for all I know. He goes, just I want 0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:51.759 it to be great, just let it and relax and 0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:53.440 all this stuff, and so I kind of over. He 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:57.480 goes softer. He's really going behind me, going softer, and 0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.880 I just kept Oh, that's it, and I the opposite 0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:04.920 of a woman. Oh this guy's oh my god. But 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.080 I'm just going who what is going on? And then 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:10.160 the workout's over. The second time, he goes to me, 0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:13.040 all right, here you go. I'm gonna draft you. I 0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:15.000 want you out there the next morning. We're going to 0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.520 work and you're gonna lead the NFL and passing. You're 0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:19.239 gonna lead him in this, You're gonna lead him in touch. 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:21.279 And I'm standing and he goes, you know, I guess 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:22.920 I gotta look on my face. He goes, well, you 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:26.200 don't believe me. I go, yeah, I believe he coach. 0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:29.319 Then he starts naming off every quarterback he's ever had 0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:32.239 won all the passing titles, which is true. And I 0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:34.360 was pretty excited about it. I go, oh man, this 0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:36.480 will be great to play for him, go to San 0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:40.120 Francisco and all that. But well we know it didn't 0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:42.879 work out. Yeah, so but it worked out for both 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.279 of you. Well worked out for Joe Montana too, That's 0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:48.360 for sure. Joe was the perfect quarterback for him. He 0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.920 was the first quarterback that I used to watch and go, god, 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:55.239 he is pretty Yeah, it's great feet and you know, 0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.560 i'd watch film and see them playing, I'd go, oh 0:40:57.600 --> 0:40:59.680 my gosh, he hits like ten in a row every game, 0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:02.239 and I'm just gonna look so easy for the forty 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:06.200 nine ers because they were ahead of their time almost. Yeah, 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:09.839 it was just spreading West Coast offense. As Bill Walsh 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.919 would say, third and ten, if the guy five years 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.719 five yards down the field is open, throw it to him. 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:17.600 If he gets tackled, don't worry. We'll get a better 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:20.080 player next year to break the tackle running catch. Yeah. 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.200 It was really just keep throwing it, let him catch it, 0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:26.239 and let's see what happens. So miss, what's the best 0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.799 parcels story you have that you have never told? Oh? Never, 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:34.880 I've told him all. I don't know. You know, he 0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:38.319 was great, not great, many things. Of course, he yelled 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.360 at me a lot. Yeah. Year he yelled back at 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.799 him all the time we were allowed to yell back. Yeah, 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.960 he would yell at me, you know, and it was 0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:50.160 all kind of orchestrated. You know. He knew he was 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.120 going to do it, Sims, you know, and he would 0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:56.000 really like yell and sometimes they just keep going on go. 0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:57.880 You know. I could literally turn to him and go 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.879 shut up, Holy Christ, all you do is and he'd goes, 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.680 oh are you man at me, and you know, and 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.279 I tell people these stories, they don't believe it. But 0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:10.640 he was unbelievable that way. He yelled at you, and 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:13.000 then he would allow you to yell back if you 0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:15.719 knew the situation was right, and everybody in the team 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:19.080 would laugh because yeah, get them Bill, you know. And 0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:21.640 but it was his way of sending a message to 0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:24.400 the whole team through players, and he was great at that. 0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:29.080 He was the greatest manipulator of people I've ever been 0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:32.040 around in my life for a while. But yeah, he 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:34.440 would yell, simps, come here during the game, come here. 0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:38.680 I'd throw an interception and I'd go, oh yeah, I go, yeah, 0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:41.640 I just want to know, are you watching the same 0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:44.719 game I'm watching? Man, I go, that's a good one. 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:47.520 I just keep walking. But the things we said to 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:49.440 each other during games, you know, I'm not proud of 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:51.759 it at all. I really am not. But I never 0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:54.799 got in arguments with him or all this stuff. Would 0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:57.800 not always knowing he's the man. Yeah, I knew I 0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:00.200 was talking to the guy that's running the organization and 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:02.759 had a lot of power. And he scared me. Yeah, 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:04.920 you know, what about a little bit, what about like 0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:10.360 young Belichick. Well, oh my gosh, I could tell some 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:13.360 stories about him, but whatever. You know. I remember I 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.239 would stay late every night, and some nights i'd stay 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:18.120 really late because I wanted to get all the work, 0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:19.440 you know, I was, I want to do all the 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:21.520 work on Wednesday. Yeah, when I come in Thursday, I 0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:23.520 want it to be over now. I'm just whatever. And 0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:26.279 I would walk by the coaches room. It would be 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:30.160 nine o'clock at night, and there would be Bill Belichick 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:34.320 with Al grow riding their stationary bikes with rubber suits on, 0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:39.319 just sweating and ruining the machines. And they got a clicker. Yeah, 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:41.640 and they're talking. I'd see him and I go and 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:46.080 I just go, guys are crazy, just but that was him. Wow. 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.920 You know he did it thirty years later when I 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:52.200 went in there o'clock in an off season on the 0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:55.040 treadmill with this little sweat jacket that they cut. You know, 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.640 they started all that at the Giants. It's so funny 0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:00.719 to hear. There was a Belichick story at this Super Bowl. 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:02.840 After you, guys, wont it do you remember this? He 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:04.640 went on the field to really take it all in, 0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:06.960 and then he tried to get back to the locker 0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:09.240 room and they wouldn't let him back in. Oh my gosh, 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:11.560 I haven't heard that. It's crazy, he tells you. I'm 0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:13.600 right right. That's you'll fact check that, Jack, But I'm 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:15.440 pretty sure I'm Ron. Well, even when he was with us, 0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:17.839 they were calling him boy genius. Yeah, And I don't 0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:19.719 know if they meant it in a complimentary way. You know, 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:23.800 he just was so studious and worked so hard. You know, 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:27.399 the players he gave him such great information and all 0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:30.719 that that they oh, boy genius. And you know Bill was. 0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:34.640 He really didn't change all his years coming with up 0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:36.719 the New England and everything. He was still the same 0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.279 guy that coached you know, our defense through all those years, 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:43.719 Indian Romeo Creneal there as well. Yeah, Romeo Canal al grow, 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:51.000 Charlie Weiss. Shoot who else? We had? Tom Coughlin, Tommy Cofflin. 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:53.839 You know, I look at some of our pictures team 0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:56.719 photos and go, yeah, coach, you might have had something 0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:58.120 to do with us when he I mean, we had 0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:01.080 an all star coaching staff, which I think you always 0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:04.200 kind of need. Coffinly got no respect he really deserved 0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:07.279 up until he won too. That was a classic thing 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:08.839 where like he was going to get fired the year 0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:10.879 he won the first one with the Giants. Well, yeah, 0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:13.359 they were close. In fact, I think it came down 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:15.360 to the last game of the year. They beat Buffalo 0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:18.600 in Buffalo got some breaks otherwise it could have been trouble. 0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:20.520 I don't know, but that's always a story out here. 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:24.759 I'm so fascinated with LT because he's just maybe the 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.919 best ever on defense. Well, he was bigger than life. Yeah, 0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:33.280 you know, he was his rookie year. We had a scrimmage. 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:35.800 They had to take him out after like ten plays. 0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:38.640 Couldn't scrimmage, had to take him out. He was sack 0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:41.239 in quarterback every play, and I go, God, this guy's 0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:43.759 really who everything they said he was? Yeah, but for real, 0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:45.879 I think he had six sacks and ten plays. They said, 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.640 get him out. We can't judge anybody. Is it true 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:52.640 that he was sending prostitutes to the opposing team's hotel 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:54.600 rooms to tire them out for the next day. Well, 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.440 I've heard all those stories. I didn't know that. I 0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:00.279 can't even listen. I know this is a podcast all this. 0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:02.800 I still can't tell you some of the Lawrence Taylor stories, 0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:12.200 but they they're endless and they're hilarious. I gotta leave 0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:13.880 it at that. But he was a savant. I mean 0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:17.080 he was. I heard stories that he would be uh 0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:20.239 sleeping through certain team meetings and then they'd wake him 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.680 up and he'd know every place. Yes, that's true. Wow, 0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.360 that's all true. He was a great athlete. There was 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:27.120 nothing we ever played it he wouldn't good at. We 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:30.279 played basketball, you know, he picks up golf, became a 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:33.319 one or two handicap after you know nine. He plays 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:36.080 about five hundred rounds of golf a year. So but yeah, 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:39.000 he's he was really good at everything, and there was 0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:42.120 nothing he couldn't do. So Lawrence, you know, we had 0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.239 a basketball go outside our locker room and I was 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:46.960 shooting one day. Oh, come here, shoot you know better? 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:49.120 He goes. I said, I bet you can't make ten 0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:51.319 in a row. Oh, I'll bet you whatever you want. Now, 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:53.759 you know, making ten in a row it's tough. You 0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:56.359 can hit eight and just oh you miss it? He goes, 0:46:56.360 --> 0:47:00.879 all right, don't moore nothing. Sure more time. I said, look, 0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:02.520 this is no fund seas. I want to be paid 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:07.239 when this is over. And he would just we go 0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:10.239 in the stadium onths he goes, I can take this 0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:11.920 club and hit it out of the stadium. I said, no, 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:14.880 you can't. He goes, So of course we bet, we 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:17.720 bet on everything. And he goes out there and swings 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:22.160 hits the ball. It's going around all the suites. I'm like, 0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:24.560 and of course he didn't hit it out. Then he 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:27.719 says to me, I'm throwing the ball once. I can 0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:31.000 throw it in the second tier. I said, no, you can't. 0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:34.759 I mean that's a seventy yard throw up up and 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:38.239 he goes. So he throws two or three, and we're 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:42.320 of course wagering, and it just keeps going double or nothing. 0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:45.840 And I said again, I went in. He took his 0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:47.839 care a lot of cash. He takes it and throws 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:49.759 down the ground. Oh, I'm so embarrassed. I'll have to 0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:54.760 pick it up. But yeah, so there was nothing Lawrence 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.520 didn't think he could. He could, he could do and 0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:00.560 do it really well. So we took advantage of that opportunity. 0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:04.479 The stories could go forever. Oh, he can go forever. 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:08.319 It's uh. I wish I could tell. I went down 0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:10.919 a golfing trip or down to South Jersey to play 0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:13.279 with me, him and Jim Burt and we're gonna play 0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:16.480 with some officials down there and some giant officials. And 0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:19.160 Lawrence goes, I said, I'll drive. Lawrence goes, no, no, 0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:21.400 I'm driving. I'll go. Oh my god, I don't want 0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:24.080 to let him drive. First, take a breathalyzer. Well no, 0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:26.319 he was okay there. So I look at Jim Burt, 0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:28.160 who was our nose tackle. I said, I'm in the back. 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:30.719 He goes, no, you're not. You're in the front. I'm 0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:33.960 sitting in the back. You know. He's like, so we're 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:36.960 flying down the turnpike. It's really I'm sitting there at 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.840 Oh my god, slow down. We're doing like ninety to 0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:44.480 one hundred. A cop, a policeman pulls up besides us 0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:47.400 and goes on his micro slow down, you know, rubber, 0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:50.399 and you know, I think he recognized Lawrence. And Lawrence goes, oh, 0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:52.800 got it. You know. The cop takes off the policeman. 0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:56.280 I shouldn't say whatever, and he gets whatever. Lawrence floors 0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:58.800 again it's Lawrence. Oh he won't come back, and it 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.640 just and we that was well, I don't know what 0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:07.240 to say. The stories don't do justice. Dipping he was dipping, 0:49:07.719 --> 0:49:09.800 and so he threw his dip out the window. He 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.000 goes like this and he throws it and we hear 0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:14.880 ding ding ding. His ring came off and lost it 0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:17.160 out in the road. He lost his Super Bowl now 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:19.000 won the Super Bowl ring. It was a ring with 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:21.680 lots of jewelry in it. Oh okay, you know what 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:24.719 I mean? Oh my god, oh god, Well let's get 0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.319 let's let's get to the lead up of Super Bowl 0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:32.040 twenty one NFC Championship the Wind Bowl. Oh what was 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:34.920 that like? You're playing Joe Gibbs and the Washington Redskins 0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:37.360 at the time. Yeah, what's it like? You dream of 0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:39.960 playing in the championship game? Right? Yeah? And I jog 0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:42.640 out in the field and I literally couldn't hally run 0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:44.680 into the wind. It was so strong. And I go, 0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:46.720 I finally get here, and this is what I got playing, 0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:49.839 Like we what are we talking? Like? Thirty mile hour 0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:52.440 gusts forty two miles an out, forty two miles in 0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:54.719 the game time, it was forty two miles an out. Wow. 0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:56.759 And you know, if you ever look at the game, 0:49:57.080 --> 0:50:00.960 there's stuff blowing everywhere the whole game, and it was 0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:05.160 I thought it was brutal. And the great thing, you know, coaches, 0:50:05.160 --> 0:50:09.239 it's never an accident. We win the toss or I 0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:11.880 can't remember, Yeah, we win the tos offended. We defended 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:14.799 a goal and now who would think of that? Bill Goes, 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:16.359 I want to get on He didn't say, he goes, 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:18.319 I just want to get on top. First. We scored first. 0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:23.520 We got him, you know, and the Washington Redskins at 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:26.160 the time, they made a huge mistake. We kicked the 0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:28.960 field goal on our first tribe. It was third and long. 0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:31.920 We had a penalty and we had to kick another 0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:34.840 long field goal. Joe Gibbs accepted it to take us 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:37.640 out of field goal range. He thought, well the next playoff, 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:39.799 threw it down the middle for a huge game, got 0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:41.640 a first down and we drove down and scored and 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:43.719 literally that was the game was over in the first quarter. 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:48.360 Those those games people don't realize are like game changing. 0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:51.480 In twenty thirteen, we played remember the Cleveland game where 0:50:51.520 --> 0:50:57.120 we came back and build we uh in overtime. We 0:50:57.560 --> 0:51:00.200 are we elected, or it was Denver we elected to 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:02.920 defend a certain goal because it had the wind in 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:04.960 the back of it so you could get the field goal. 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:09.480 And everyone you know, was shaking their head what's Belichick doing? 0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:12.440 This guy's we ended up winning the game like that. 0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:14.759 No one could throw into that side of the wind. No, 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:18.399 And it's yeah, it's it's it comes and it roots from, 0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:20.880 you know, the Giants experience, I bet, because Bill doesn't 0:51:20.920 --> 0:51:26.160 forget anything anything and parcels. We were extremely uh what's 0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:28.400 the word for it? Careful. If it was fourth and 0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:31.080 two inches, we punted, you know today, I mean it 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:35.160 literally could be this much. Punt it. Let the defense 0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:36.600 get it. We'll get it back here, you know. And 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:38.640 when he had that defense too, well that had a 0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:40.200 lot to do it. It was just a time of 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:45.279 everything too. But we ran fake field goals, flea flickers, 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:47.640 we did everything. A flea flicker in the Super Bowl, 0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:49.640 well we did a flea flicker went forward on fourth, 0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:52.680 you know. And that play was extremely complicated, to believe 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.120 it or not. When Jeff Rutlers runs a sneak, we 0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:57.319 had seven plays. He had to check into the right 0:51:57.400 --> 0:52:01.120 play and it could be it was like called it, Oh, 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:03.960 what's it? A rappa hole? I run a pass a 0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:06.160 hit on the enemy. Yeah, that's what it was. And 0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:08.040 he had to pick which play and it was a 0:52:08.120 --> 0:52:11.000 quarterback sneak because they didn't put a guy over the guard. Wow, 0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:14.800 but we gambled a lot, and I swear they I 0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:16.960 can't remember where when he made a gamble that we 0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:19.400 didn't make it. So he had a bill, had a 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:21.560 great feel parcels, had a great feel for when to 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:24.360 do those and a plan when to do those situational plays. 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:28.640 Probably like they went into you know, the game with 0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:33.160 that potential situation to happen. They three or four plays 0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:35.279 waiting for it. Yeah, and you gotta have a plan 0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:36.600 when you go on those. I can hear him, we're 0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:38.719 gonna be aggressive, and I kind of knew that meant 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:41.560 we're gonna really throw it and we're really gonna take chances, 0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:44.560 which we normally didn't do. Yeah, Yeah, that was great. 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:46.200 I mean he did it in the Super Bowl, the 0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:49.200 fleet flicker, the fourth down. You know, he was awesome 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:52.719 at making those decisions, especially during big moments when people 0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:58.120 were getting tight. So now, you guys clearly played Denver 0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:01.880 Broncos lway in the Broncos. What about what did you 0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:04.080 when you guys, did you guys play before them in 0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:05.920 the play them during the regular season? No, in the 0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:09.520 championship weekend? Did you guys play. We were second. You 0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:13.760 were second, so you knew the drive happened. You knew 0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:17.280 that they beat the Browns, and you knew going into 0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:21.120 the wind Bowl that you were going to play the potential. Yeah, 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:23.359 we were in the locker room going out to play 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:26.440 the game. That game was still going on at the 0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:29.960 very end. He was starting to drive, and I remember 0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:32.080 looking up there and going, you know, I knew Denver. 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.520 We played them during the season. I'd played Cleveland the 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:37.960 two years before that twice, and I go, Goda, hope 0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:42.040 Denver wins because Cleveland's defense was a big paint in 0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:45.080 the you know what. So I didn't know until we 0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:47.360 got out in the field and we're I think we 0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:49.000 were just kind of warming up. They'd get ready to 0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:51.359 kick off the coin toss all that, and I heard 0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:54.120 Denver one and I remember just going, good, we match 0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:58.359 up better against Denver. That's all I remember thinking about that. Okay, Okay, 0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:01.440 So then Super Bowl week comes. You guys have a 0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:04.759 bye week. Mm hm, you had you had the extra week. 0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:07.000 We had the week in between. Yeah, so we got 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:10.560 three days off, which was really uncommon, uncommon, and then 0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:12.759 we came down and practice on Thursday, and it was 0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:15.960 a little shaky, and it was it was more than shaky. 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:21.080 It was just I just remember getting destroyed. Yeah, Parcels 0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:23.799 was Sims. I'll ever give you any days all there, 0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:26.440 you know it was, and it was bad. It was 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:30.080 too many days off. You think, you know, we'll practice 0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:32.239 against our defense. It sounds like we're gonna go out 0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:34.040 there and tear it up every day. Yeah, but I 0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:37.680 just remember how he was. I couldn't here. I'm gonna 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:39.560 getting ready to go to the Super Bowl a couple 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:41.600 of days later, And all I could do is I 0:54:41.719 --> 0:54:44.239 was nervous as heck because I know the practice was 0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:48.680 as bad and he was brutal. Nothing changes, he lived 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:51.279 it all. Practice was the most important thing of our life. 0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.359 And this is the most important day. And if it's 0:54:53.440 --> 0:54:56.760 not perfect, and it was, you walk into the building 0:54:57.280 --> 0:54:59.160 at eight o'clock in the morning, or I'd get there 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:02.160 about seven thirty for my first eight o'clock meeting, and 0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:08.200 I would get nervous worrying about practice. Damn, Yes, Parcels Sims, 0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:11.960 I mean, best as you complete yesterday in practice. Did 0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:15.160 he ever give you like positive encouragement to like, you know, 0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:22.839 sometimes yeah, privately you know, Shims, I'm imitating him. He goes, 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:25.120 I'm really proud of you, son, You're doing well, you're 0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:27.480 leading the team. You're just I'm just proud of you. 0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:29.839 Just want you to know today on the practice field, 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:32.759 I want to tear into you right around. I go, 0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:35.440 can't we wait till we get He goes, Oh, come on, 0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:39.120 I gotta get I gotta teach these other well I 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:41.520 can say it. He goes, these other assholes got to 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:43.080 see something. I gotta get through to them. So I'm 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.800 gomost to yell at you and true to form no 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:47.720 matter how practice is going. If I'm do any completion, 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:49.880 he'd throw his papers up in the air and go 0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:52.640 through these anneks and just start ripping me. And I 0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:54.200 have to stand there like this and take it. And 0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:58.520 all the team's laughing, yeah, getting Bill's that's such a 0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:01.640 great abusive relationship that in private he's like, I love 0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:03.200 your son, and then the second yar out there, he's like, 0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:06.959 your garbage. Oh well, He's yelling at the offensive line 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:09.560 one day, just crushing them, and I'm standing behind him, 0:56:09.560 --> 0:56:11.719 going get them because I was getting hit way too 0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:14.279 much in the games. And he goes, and then of 0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:16.040 course he gets done yelling and he turns around and 0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:19.200 goes and it's your fault, and I go, of course, 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:22.799 it's my fault. I'm f and Sims. I was never 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:25.360 you know, he called me f and Sims. I'm just 0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:31.239 fucking Sims. Absolutely fucking Sims. You're killing me. But he 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.600 would blame me, and I go, well, what did I do? 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:36.680 He goes, well, now you're there, buddy, take them out 0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:39.120 to dinner, Sims. Buy him some more presents. How's that 0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:41.359 working out for you back there? Huh so working out? 0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:43.960 Used to be their leader. They were afraid of you, 0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:47.320 And I just say, okay, okay, that is that the 0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:48.960 line you have to walk. I thought you're supposed to 0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:51.400 take the line at the dinner. Well yeah, but he 0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:54.640 he was mad at them. He thought I would was 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:57.719 salt on them because you know, they were my friends. Yeah. 0:56:57.800 --> 0:56:59.480 But I got in the car that night, which I 0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:02.319 did many times. I'm driving home and I go, God, damn, 0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:05.759 he's right, he's right. You know, there's there. It's like 0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:08.400 a coaching players. There's a line. Yeah, and you know, 0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:11.960 the quarterback has a chance to influence people, and especially 0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:15.440 now I was here, we are sitting here and you 0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:17.560 know that's aw Tom Brady yelling his lineman. I mean, 0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:19.600 I got admit I did that a lot, but I 0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:22.040 only yelled at one of them. I would yell at 0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:24.720 the center and I would just crush him. Yeah, well 0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:27.000 it's not my guy, I said. You don't get the point. 0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:30.800 I don't care chand chaining command senator is a leader 0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:32.880 of the line. Yeah. And you know, bart Oates was 0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:34.720 a great center for h me. He goes after I'd 0:57:34.800 --> 0:57:36.320 yell at him, and I don't know why. Sometimes it 0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:38.560 didn't punch me out, you know, because they're all twice 0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:41.320 the size of me, and Bartils would always go okay, okay, 0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:44.200 I'll get straight, I'll get straight. You know. It was great. 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:47.040 That's that's respect though, because they understood that you were 0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:49.640 the first one in, the last one out. You know, 0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:51.960 you worked your ass off. You got fucking yelled at 0:57:52.040 --> 0:57:54.800 by everyone, and I see that, you know, and how 0:57:54.880 --> 0:57:57.959 you dealt with it is a huge that's a huge 0:57:58.000 --> 0:58:01.960 part of your leadership and that's why you were probably 0:58:02.040 --> 0:58:04.920 one of the toughest competitors ever playing this game. Well, 0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:06.520 that's nice of you say, I don't know about that. 0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:10.480 I love playing, I love talking about it. I love practice. 0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:13.520 I mean I love practice. Yeah, you know, yeah, of 0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:15.520 course you love it. You don't have to do any well, 0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:17.560 you're not going to listen to these coaches. And you 0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:20.600 didn't look forward to it, but you still loved it. No, 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:23.360 I no, I didn't care. I mean I love practice. Yeah, 0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:25.400 I did it. Just it was so much fun and 0:58:26.520 --> 0:58:29.560 not fun but just learning and doing it and everything 0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:33.080 is a football player. Yeah, I mean it was nothing 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:35.040 like going out and having a good practice. Oh great, 0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:36.760 we're gonna get better tomorrow. I mean it was great. 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:39.000 And you were at a team where you like, I mean, 0:58:39.040 --> 0:58:41.160 you're fourteen and two this year, I believe. Yeah, we're 0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:43.880 fourteen to Froncos are eleven and five. You are favored 0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:46.880 to win. They were eleven and five. Yeah, Oh they 0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:49.240 must have because we played them during the season that year. 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:51.680 We were both I think ten and two, really, I 0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:53.760 think or something like that. We were both the same 0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:56.080 we had the same records. Interesting, yeah, and we both 0:58:56.120 --> 0:58:59.000 went in a bunch of close games. You might be wrong, 0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:04.280 I don't anyway. You you're in Pasadena. I heard the 0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:06.840 weather in the first half was an issue for you guys, 0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:11.160 Well not for me. I mean, it was warm, but 0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:15.440 when you play, you know, playoff games, and forty mine 0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:17.960 I wins, and the other one was freezing, and we 0:59:18.040 --> 0:59:20.280 played in We played in so many bad weather games. 0:59:20.760 --> 0:59:22.920 Then when we went to California. I think I was 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:24.800 more excited the fact that we were just playing in 0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:30.000 California son, just warm weather, not gripping that football, which 0:59:30.000 --> 0:59:32.000 we couldn't rub up up like they do now the 0:59:32.080 --> 0:59:35.640 footballs were an issue, but it was so warm it 0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:38.200 made it better for me. The weather's better in California, 0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:40.480 but the people are better here. Was that it in 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:43.120 New York City. That's what I say. Okay, weather's good, 0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:46.800 whether there's weather's but throwing the football, that was the 0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:49.080 whole difference to me. It just it was amazing. I 0:59:49.320 --> 0:59:51.520 was in a great mood because I was like, Wow, 0:59:51.640 --> 0:59:54.000 this weather. Who couldn't play out here? This right here. 0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:58.120 Phil Simms thinks Joe Montana only had the stats he 0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:02.360 had because he played in californ for it. Whether if 1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:04.160 he played in New York he would not have been 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:06.840 able to do it. Oh well, I'm not even of course, 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:09.000 I'm not saying that that's always the New York identity 1:00:09.080 --> 1:00:11.400 of the teams that win. They always have a great defense. 1:00:11.440 --> 1:00:14.040 I feel like, well you almost have to because the wind. 1:00:14.240 --> 1:00:17.160 The wind, I mean, you know, unless you're Josh Allen 1:00:17.880 --> 1:00:21.280 playing in today's game. Oh it's thirty by one hour wins. Okay, 1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:23.680 I'll just put a little more heat on it. Just 1:00:24.760 --> 1:00:26.800 a lot of good football right now. Yeah, there really is. 1:00:27.200 --> 1:00:31.320 He's incredible. Let's get into the game. So it was 1:00:31.440 --> 1:00:34.280 kind of a slow first half. But to come out 1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:38.080 on your first possession in the biggest game of your life, 1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:43.440 get seven, what's that do with the confidence? Well, it 1:00:43.520 --> 1:00:45.520 was great. I think I'd lifted the whole team. You know, 1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:48.160 we were down, of course, as we know, ten to 1:00:48.280 --> 1:00:50.440 nine half and people go, what went on in your 1:00:50.480 --> 1:00:53.200 locker room a halftime? I don't know. We were relaxed, 1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:58.400 and you know, Bill Parcels never yelled really except I 1:00:58.480 --> 1:01:00.280 can only remember one game where he came in half 1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:02.320 and he was didn't yell at us. He was like, 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:05.520 come on, when we gonna end this credit you know whatever. 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:09.200 But it wasn't a big speech, basically, it was this 1:01:09.400 --> 1:01:11.640 he came all right, man, but he did say we 1:01:11.720 --> 1:01:15.080 can't play any worse. And we got thirty minutes and 1:01:15.160 --> 1:01:17.760 that was it. Yeah, that was always his pre game speeches. 1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:20.960 All right, we worked hard all week. You guys are thirty. 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:22.880 We got sixty minutes to scho get it done. It 1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:25.200 wasn't this raw raw. I mean, what are you gonna do? 1:01:25.440 --> 1:01:27.800 Ra ra? What? I don't want to hear that either. Yeah, 1:01:27.840 --> 1:01:31.800 that's the movie shit that Yeah, that's what do they say, 1:01:31.880 --> 1:01:35.040 Jill's when you get that emotional speech you run out there. 1:01:35.080 --> 1:01:37.320 It's all over after the first play and then you 1:01:37.400 --> 1:01:39.600 got to play. Yeah, the emotion and all you do. 1:01:39.720 --> 1:01:41.840 Think of aut Puccino in any given Sunday. Oh yeah, 1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:43.640 it's a pretty cool speech. Well, they were trying to 1:01:44.600 --> 1:01:47.920 copy the big R guy a little bit, but I 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:50.280 just go he never gave a speech like that. His 1:01:50.480 --> 1:01:54.760 speeches you probably got the same thing Wednesday morning. Is 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:58.200 when you have the address to the crew, and it 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:01.080 was long. It would be he can make it twenty 1:02:01.120 --> 1:02:04.000 minutes to thirty minutes, and it was here's what we're 1:02:04.000 --> 1:02:06.520 gonna do this week. We're gonna throw it against that 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:08.600 guy Simms. We're throwing it to him every chance we 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:10.840 get over here at this corner and we're gonna do this, 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:12.880 and that he'd give the state of the Union address 1:02:13.280 --> 1:02:15.240 and that was our weekly what we did for the 1:02:15.280 --> 1:02:17.680 rest of the week. Key's keys and they were big. 1:02:18.000 --> 1:02:20.440 The head coach gives his keys and you break up 1:02:20.480 --> 1:02:23.280 in the offensive defense. The coordinators will give their keys 1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:26.880 based off of what they think. But every Wednesday, when 1:02:26.880 --> 1:02:29.640 they're installing, you know, the head coach gets up and 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:31.720 f great. It was, it was awesome. I used to 1:02:31.720 --> 1:02:33.880 write them down and we could give a good speech. 1:02:34.320 --> 1:02:36.000 When we were playing the forty nine Ers back in 1:02:36.080 --> 1:02:39.240 eighty six on a Monday night game, he comes in 1:02:39.320 --> 1:02:41.640 and gives that speech and he goes, hey, now, fellas, fellas, 1:02:41.840 --> 1:02:45.240 he loves talking to you defensive backs. That Jerry Rice 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:48.240 is a different dude. He's different. He's gonna run really 1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:50.919 fast at first play. I'm just telling you the last 1:02:50.960 --> 1:02:52.520 play of the game is still running that fast, so 1:02:52.680 --> 1:02:55.560 you better be you know. Yeah, hear that and go wow, Okay, 1:02:55.720 --> 1:02:58.800 Jerry Rice is really special. And then when you cross 1:02:58.880 --> 1:03:01.880 pollin eate with the offense and defense in the same room. 1:03:02.000 --> 1:03:06.640 Hearing guys get coached, it holds an accountability for each 1:03:06.760 --> 1:03:09.520 side of the ball. When you hear, you know, the 1:03:09.640 --> 1:03:13.080 offensive guy getting yelled at the defensive guy walks by 1:03:13.160 --> 1:03:14.840 him in the cafeteria and say, hey, I hear you 1:03:14.920 --> 1:03:16.680 didn't get that a gap, you know what I mean? Like, 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:21.000 so it's that's that's a coaching ability, that's a coaching 1:03:21.160 --> 1:03:23.920 behavior that you know, I got a lot of because 1:03:24.320 --> 1:03:27.320 you know, Belichick was under Parcels and they probably you know, 1:03:27.400 --> 1:03:30.919 he probably stole and I stole. That was influenced, absolutely sure, 1:03:30.960 --> 1:03:33.480 he had to be. I mean, I saw Bill Belichick 1:03:33.600 --> 1:03:35.480 changed through the years. He was there in seventy nine 1:03:36.120 --> 1:03:39.840 and he took a head job in nineteen ninety one, right, yeah, 1:03:40.000 --> 1:03:42.880 in Cleveland, I think that's was that, right, Cleveland. Yeah, 1:03:43.360 --> 1:03:48.320 So he was there twelve years under Bill Parcells. So 1:03:48.440 --> 1:03:50.280 of course you're going to learn a lot and imitate 1:03:50.320 --> 1:03:53.680 a lot of that. So and and that was you know, Parcels, 1:03:54.240 --> 1:03:56.440 that was his thing. He could connect with the player. 1:03:56.800 --> 1:03:58.720 Oh you know, he knew how to get the best 1:03:58.760 --> 1:04:01.440 out of his player. Like he probably did this that 1:04:01.760 --> 1:04:04.880 that to Phil and treated Phil the way he treated him, 1:04:04.880 --> 1:04:07.840 because that's what fires up Phil. Phil likes to be 1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:10.320 pissed off. He plays well pissed off. I don't know, 1:04:10.520 --> 1:04:12.680 you know what I mean. And that's and that's what 1:04:14.120 --> 1:04:16.360 you know Parcells tried to do. I saw a lot 1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:19.200 of that stuff too, you know from from Belichick with 1:04:19.320 --> 1:04:22.080 certain people. You know, it's just they do whatever it 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:24.960 takes to push the button to get the best out 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:27.920 of you. Pushing buttons. He was great. Yeah, so you 1:04:28.000 --> 1:04:30.400 trade some, you trade well, he would bill. Here's what 1:04:30.520 --> 1:04:33.840 Parcels would do. I watched him during the week. You know, 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:35.640 he would walk around the locker room and get a 1:04:35.680 --> 1:04:37.320 guy and go all right, now, listen, here's what I 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:39.600 need from you this week. You know you gotta you know, 1:04:39.680 --> 1:04:41.640 you gotta come on it. And he would work the 1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:43.600 room like you know, he had a restaurant. He would 1:04:43.840 --> 1:04:48.919 get everybody individually, just for thirty seconds and maybe say something, 1:04:48.960 --> 1:04:50.560 you know, now you got to play better. I don't 1:04:50.560 --> 1:04:52.320 want to take your ass out, you know, or what. 1:04:52.520 --> 1:04:55.920 But he was very If you want honesty, he was honest. 1:04:55.960 --> 1:04:58.040 Well he's looking at every piece of the machine to 1:04:58.120 --> 1:05:00.200 make sure. I mean, it's the big blue recond crew, 1:05:00.280 --> 1:05:02.280 every every piece of the guy. But he worked everybody. 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:05.920 It was. It was an unbelievable thing. It's a it's 1:05:05.960 --> 1:05:08.920 a It's the best skill I think a coach can have, 1:05:09.160 --> 1:05:12.200 absolutely to be able to do this to players to 1:05:12.280 --> 1:05:15.680 be tough on them, and still, what's the word not 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:18.600 alienate them? And all that. They just knew this is 1:05:18.640 --> 1:05:21.800 what it is, and he's doing. You want honesty, I'll play. 1:05:21.960 --> 1:05:23.959 I just want you to be honest. Do you really 1:05:24.080 --> 1:05:26.560 do you really want them? Yeah? Bill was honest. I 1:05:26.600 --> 1:05:28.360 saw him do this. I hate to tell these stories. 1:05:29.160 --> 1:05:32.520 We're in training camp and we're doing an inside run 1:05:32.640 --> 1:05:34.760 thing and we have a guard. I'm not gonna say 1:05:34.760 --> 1:05:39.360 his game. He goes, I'll call him Billy. Billy, I 1:05:39.520 --> 1:05:43.160 got the plane ticket in my drawer. Don't make me 1:05:43.280 --> 1:05:46.240 give it to you. Come on, I gotta see it. 1:05:46.760 --> 1:05:50.040 Come on, I got the damn plane ticket in the drawer. 1:05:50.440 --> 1:05:54.120 And I just go, Wow, that was really like, that 1:05:54.360 --> 1:05:57.800 was rough. Yeah, he just and he would give the 1:05:57.880 --> 1:06:02.840 guy two or three days and almost always one morning 1:06:02.880 --> 1:06:05.000 we show wear so and so. Oh they let him go, 1:06:05.720 --> 1:06:08.920 but he would warn them if you don't up. Oh no, 1:06:09.000 --> 1:06:12.600 he never bluffed, but I heard him do that quite 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:15.320 a few times. Yeah, but he was warning the guy, 1:06:15.600 --> 1:06:18.320 you know that if you don't practice better, then it's 1:06:18.360 --> 1:06:20.080 just not going to work. Here the plane ticket in 1:06:20.160 --> 1:06:22.400 the drawer, Yeah, I got them. I mean I can, 1:06:23.040 --> 1:06:24.760 Like my ex girlfriend did the same thing to me. 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:30.040 I mean, and it's on the phone now, so it's 1:06:30.120 --> 1:06:33.040 you know, it's different. She booked the flight and we taught. 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:35.800 We taught Phil the day at inside the NFL thirst 1:06:35.880 --> 1:06:40.120 trapping and dming really yeah? Yeah, so we're getting his terminology. 1:06:40.160 --> 1:06:44.600 I new DM direct messaging. What is thirst trapping? You know, like, 1:06:44.840 --> 1:06:46.720 I mean, come on, what the hell is that? It's 1:06:46.800 --> 1:06:50.560 it's for thirsty people that try to trap people. It's 1:06:50.600 --> 1:06:52.880 like you put a sexy photo up there hoping that'll 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:55.320 it'll get attended. Oh is that what? Okay? Now that 1:06:55.480 --> 1:06:58.880 makes better sense? I mean I don't know. Yeah, people 1:06:58.960 --> 1:07:02.120 get trapped with that. I still don't so much trapping 1:07:02.200 --> 1:07:04.920 going on right now. And then there's like the horny 1:07:05.000 --> 1:07:07.520 comment people who like are a little too engaging, you know, 1:07:07.600 --> 1:07:10.400 with they'll write comments like what's looking great? Yeah, and 1:07:10.480 --> 1:07:12.760 you're like, that's what's the other thing you were doing today? 1:07:12.840 --> 1:07:15.760 You look? What what is it? Oh? Drip drip check? Yeah, 1:07:15.840 --> 1:07:19.480 drip I mean and we gave him drip check. Yeah. 1:07:19.680 --> 1:07:22.040 I mean, people say you got to start learning. I 1:07:22.120 --> 1:07:25.200 don't need to learn crap. I don't want to be hip. 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:30.360 I don't. It's over. I want to act my age. 1:07:31.320 --> 1:07:33.280 I'm going to act my age. I'm not trying to 1:07:33.320 --> 1:07:36.120 be cool. I don't want to be hip and whatever. 1:07:36.280 --> 1:07:39.040 You know what. The crazy thing about that is that's hip. 1:07:39.840 --> 1:07:42.160 That's hip, not caring? Is that The fact that you 1:07:42.320 --> 1:07:45.480 don't want to be hip is hip? As I say, 1:07:45.560 --> 1:07:48.760 there's nothing worse than looking at old guy trying to 1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:52.120 act young. Yeah, and I want to say till it 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:56.440 ain't working. Stop it is this about my sneakers? Uh, 1:07:56.800 --> 1:07:59.200 well you're not old. No. Was the Knicks? You got 1:07:59.240 --> 1:08:01.720 the Nick colors the season starting, I got to get 1:08:01.720 --> 1:08:04.880 the good vibe. Yeah, okay, that don't really help. Hell, 1:08:05.800 --> 1:08:08.120 you're a New York legend. You gotta be behind us. Hey, 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:10.400 I like all the New York teams. I root for him. Man. 1:08:10.480 --> 1:08:12.800 When we were playing during the height of our cur 1:08:13.000 --> 1:08:16.240 you know, giant thing, the Knicks were. Hell, we could 1:08:16.240 --> 1:08:17.920 have taken four of those guys and started them on 1:08:17.960 --> 1:08:20.040 our football O man, Anthony Mason. Would you could have 1:08:20.080 --> 1:08:24.120 played alongside LT all of Oakley, all them Oakley, John Starks. 1:08:24.160 --> 1:08:25.679 I mean, come on, they wanted to fight, they didn't 1:08:25.680 --> 1:08:27.639 want to play hoops. I loved it. But it was great. 1:08:28.160 --> 1:08:31.120 I even made a comment once somebody said something. I said, man, 1:08:31.160 --> 1:08:32.880 if we ever get as tough as a Knicks nobody, 1:08:32.880 --> 1:08:35.559 he'll beat us. Yeah. And pat Riley, at the time, 1:08:35.640 --> 1:08:38.439 I think was coaching legend. Oh my god, should I 1:08:38.439 --> 1:08:41.280 tell you pat Riley started please so my first year 1:08:41.320 --> 1:08:45.479 in TV, NBC wants me to be a saline reporter 1:08:46.320 --> 1:08:49.439 in basketball, just to get just to do something. And 1:08:49.560 --> 1:08:52.280 then I was like, oh my god. So I'm doing it. 1:08:52.400 --> 1:08:54.960 And I got a Nick game first, so I'm like, 1:08:55.120 --> 1:08:58.120 Hannah Storm is showing me how it works. I said, Okay, 1:08:58.120 --> 1:08:59.360 I think I got it. I gotta do a couple 1:08:59.360 --> 1:09:02.519 of reports and all that stuff. And pat Riley goes, hey, 1:09:02.720 --> 1:09:06.920 you know morehead boy. Hey you know Kentucky. You know 1:09:06.960 --> 1:09:09.639 because he played a Kentucky. And when he goes, okay, 1:09:09.680 --> 1:09:12.920 everything good, I said, yeah. He goes, listen this and that. 1:09:13.040 --> 1:09:14.360 He goes, I just want to tell you one thing. 1:09:15.040 --> 1:09:18.160 Don't you think about sticking your head in my huddle? 1:09:18.720 --> 1:09:21.640 And I mean he said it with vinegar, and I 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:24.639 just went, don't worry. I won't. I mean, damn, yeah, 1:09:24.720 --> 1:09:28.120 he goes, don't you know that's pat Riley. He's talking 1:09:28.160 --> 1:09:30.599 in a private group. He didn't want anybody talking about 1:09:30.640 --> 1:09:33.559 what he says or hearing it. And he's a big 1:09:33.680 --> 1:09:35.720 dude too. You ever met him. I never met, Oh 1:09:35.880 --> 1:09:38.800 pat Rice, Well he played, he was yeah me, he's 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:41.599 six four, six ' five, I mean, big old guy. 1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:44.680 Holy Christ, he's slicked hair. Oh yeah. He had to 1:09:44.760 --> 1:09:48.040 look our money suits, our money looking looking scared of me. 1:09:48.120 --> 1:09:49.840 I didn't get close to their huddle. I stayed as 1:09:49.880 --> 1:09:53.080 far away from them as I mean. NBA games, Oh Joe, 1:09:53.760 --> 1:09:57.400 it's just nothing. I'd be on the court before the game, 1:09:57.479 --> 1:10:02.040 shooting threes with Charles Barkley. Wow, can you imagine throwing 1:10:02.120 --> 1:10:04.640 somebody coming out in the field. But now, no, no, 1:10:05.200 --> 1:10:07.840 it doesn't happen. It was incredible. And then I would 1:10:07.880 --> 1:10:10.760 do reports. They put me on the foul line during 1:10:10.800 --> 1:10:13.120 the time out. The timeouts over all the players are 1:10:13.120 --> 1:10:15.000 standing around me like this, looking at me, and I'm going, 1:10:15.200 --> 1:10:16.800 should I get out the colder? They goes, no, just 1:10:16.880 --> 1:10:19.680 to your report, and then they didn't care. They just 1:10:19.720 --> 1:10:21.439 hold the game until you're done, and then we'll start 1:10:21.479 --> 1:10:24.760 the game again. You know basketball is a different breed. Well, 1:10:24.800 --> 1:10:26.320 you know they play any two of those games. I 1:10:26.360 --> 1:10:27.960 don't think they get too serious about it a lot 1:10:28.000 --> 1:10:29.920 of times. But yeah, the fact that I was shooting 1:10:29.920 --> 1:10:32.400 on the court before the game, nobody said a word 1:10:32.479 --> 1:10:36.600 to me with Charles Barkley. I din't gonna tell you 1:10:36.600 --> 1:10:41.400 what we were gambling with, but it wasn't. We weren't 1:10:41.400 --> 1:10:44.160 playing for pennies. But that way, what about? Uh so 1:10:44.400 --> 1:10:47.400 this game? The turning point in this game, there's a 1:10:47.479 --> 1:10:50.960 goal line stop. Yeah, a couple yea three straight stops. 1:10:50.960 --> 1:10:53.880 I think Banks made the last tackle, LT made the first. 1:10:54.760 --> 1:10:57.479 It was a huge stop. You guys, get the ball back, 1:10:57.560 --> 1:10:59.840 as LT always, I'll get you the ball back. Yeah, 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:02.599 And that's when you started just whipping it. Five straight 1:11:02.840 --> 1:11:06.720 consecutive touchdown drives. We were you twenty three for like, 1:11:08.080 --> 1:11:10.240 I think you had three incompletions three twenty two or 1:11:10.280 --> 1:11:14.439 twenty five. That's insane. But we were Super Bowl. Well yeah, 1:11:14.520 --> 1:11:16.800 you know, listen, when you're playing, I don't know if 1:11:16.840 --> 1:11:19.439 you were you in the zone, I didn't think about anything, 1:11:19.880 --> 1:11:22.519 just thinking of the play and always go. You know, 1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:26.240 many times, if you can do that, you're generally gonna 1:11:26.320 --> 1:11:28.280 not be unhappy with yourself when it's over. But I 1:11:28.320 --> 1:11:31.400 didn't do that near enough. You know, it was just always, oh, 1:11:31.479 --> 1:11:33.960 I threw an interception, Now I'm gonna be careful. And 1:11:34.040 --> 1:11:36.040 then the days I played well, I throw an interception. 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:38.280 You know, if it happened, and everybody, oh, don't worry 1:11:38.280 --> 1:11:41.080 about I said, I'm not worried about it. You get 1:11:41.160 --> 1:11:43.000 ready to tackle. I'm gonna throw it. We might throw 1:11:43.080 --> 1:11:46.160 six today. And when I had that attitude, I played really, 1:11:46.240 --> 1:11:50.360 really well. But you know, that's circumstances. I didn't always 1:11:50.400 --> 1:11:52.560 have that attitude. But in that Super Bowl, in the 1:11:52.600 --> 1:11:54.880 second half, I think we John Ellwie went three and 1:11:55.000 --> 1:11:57.920 out three or four straight times. So the time we 1:11:58.000 --> 1:11:59.880 scored and I'd go sit on the sideline, we had 1:11:59.920 --> 1:12:02.879 to ballack. Was it crazy to see a guy that talented, 1:12:02.920 --> 1:12:05.040 who could scramble to throw the ball just kind of 1:12:05.080 --> 1:12:08.720 getting dominated in that second half? Yeah, I mean, I 1:12:09.040 --> 1:12:12.720 guess you know, when you're a player, you never look 1:12:12.760 --> 1:12:15.160 at the other guy and say he's great, but you 1:12:15.240 --> 1:12:20.240 knew he was great. I don't know, you know, somebody said, 1:12:20.320 --> 1:12:24.320 somebody said to me, Edwin Pope of the Miami Herald, 1:12:24.960 --> 1:12:27.800 that's I actually just sat down and a reporter sat 1:12:27.840 --> 1:12:29.400 around me. Can you imagine that in the super Bowl 1:12:29.479 --> 1:12:31.680 now and Evan Public goes, what would you have done 1:12:31.720 --> 1:12:34.160 if John Elway to come to Moorhead State? You know, 1:12:34.200 --> 1:12:36.439 I was much older than John. I said, well, he'd 1:12:36.439 --> 1:12:39.080 have sat behind me until I graduated. And I thought, 1:12:39.160 --> 1:12:42.200 hell yeah, that would be headlines and papers. And it 1:12:42.320 --> 1:12:44.720 was just another line in an article he wrote later. 1:12:45.400 --> 1:12:48.920 You know. So I was feeling good. But then I retired, 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:52.280 not retired, whatever, My career was over. I was doing 1:12:52.360 --> 1:12:57.280 a game in Denver early the first year I did broadcasting, 1:12:58.000 --> 1:13:01.439 and I was standing behind there huddle watching the practice. 1:13:01.479 --> 1:13:05.800 I go, it's freaking always pretty good. I was like, 1:13:05.960 --> 1:13:09.759 Holy Christ, but it was cool. John's was a great dude, 1:13:11.160 --> 1:13:13.040 and we of course knew each other really well as 1:13:13.080 --> 1:13:18.760 the years went through and everything. But it was good competitive. Nah, fuck, dad, 1:13:18.800 --> 1:13:20.320 he ain't better than me? Well come on, you know 1:13:20.400 --> 1:13:24.040 how exactly I mean? Me and Joe Montana literally I 1:13:24.680 --> 1:13:27.439 don't mean to I don't want to dramatize it or whatever, 1:13:28.240 --> 1:13:30.479 but we didn't like each other. No, And it was 1:13:30.560 --> 1:13:32.840 my fault because I'm a jerk. You know. I can, 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:34.920 of course on the field, I could really be a jerk, 1:13:35.520 --> 1:13:39.360 and I said some things, but it got to like, 1:13:40.880 --> 1:13:43.080 this is crazy, Like we'd score. I look at him 1:13:43.120 --> 1:13:44.800 and go, what do you think of that? You know, 1:13:44.880 --> 1:13:48.280 I'd make gestures and then he got into it. He 1:13:49.080 --> 1:13:52.080 throw something and score against us, and he'd be looking 1:13:52.120 --> 1:13:56.200 at me, and I just go, I deserve it. And 1:13:56.320 --> 1:13:59.240 then one day I don't know how it happened or 1:13:59.280 --> 1:14:01.400 what a camera was in the tunnel a giant stadium, 1:14:01.479 --> 1:14:03.280 or maybe it was after a game in San Francisco 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:07.920 and his wife. I saw Jennifer, Jennifer Jennifer and I 1:14:08.000 --> 1:14:09.720 said something. She goes, oh, let me go get Joe, 1:14:10.439 --> 1:14:12.120 and and I was like, oh good, maybe we can 1:14:12.200 --> 1:14:14.880 get over this now or whatever. You know, it just 1:14:15.040 --> 1:14:17.320 hit me in my head. You know how I always 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:20.479 tell you my dogs were Dwight and Montana. Yeah, if 1:14:22.120 --> 1:14:24.519 Walsh would have got you, my dogs could have been 1:14:24.880 --> 1:14:29.479 Dwight and Sims. Well, mister Simms, yeah, well that could 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:32.160 have been true, but it also means that it could 1:14:32.200 --> 1:14:35.000 have been that nobody had known Bill Walsh and I. 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:38.080 But when it was over, nah, I don't know. Yeah, 1:14:38.160 --> 1:14:41.240 it was pretty listen are you? Are you? And Montana good? Though? Now? 1:14:41.640 --> 1:14:45.120 Oh yeah, we're great. I mean I've done appearances, with them, 1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:47.639 and I kind of do the talking and ask him 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:50.960 questions and Joe tells, of course he's got unbelievable stories 1:14:51.439 --> 1:14:54.240 and all that. But yeah, we're really I'll say this. 1:14:54.840 --> 1:14:58.280 He has a son, Nick, Nick came up in the 1:14:58.360 --> 1:15:02.240 summers one year to throw with me. Now, how's that? 1:15:02.760 --> 1:15:05.000 That's pretty cool? No, but I'm just saying. His father 1:15:05.200 --> 1:15:07.960 was Joe Montana and he was coming up to throw 1:15:08.040 --> 1:15:11.800 with me. So and Chris Collinsworth goes, wait, let me 1:15:12.120 --> 1:15:15.800 hold on. This is strange you're gonna throw. Because Joe 1:15:15.960 --> 1:15:18.240 was on a show on Inside the NFL with us 1:15:18.760 --> 1:15:21.680 and he was talking about his son, and I said, I, 1:15:21.960 --> 1:15:23.559 what do you want me to do when you Why 1:15:23.640 --> 1:15:25.760 haven't you sent him to me yet? Because he send 1:15:25.840 --> 1:15:28.559 you know, he went all these quarterback gurus because Joe 1:15:28.640 --> 1:15:31.280 didn't want to do it. And Joe goes, okay, I'm 1:15:31.320 --> 1:15:32.840 gonna send him up. He's I think he stayed in 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:36.040 my house. Now, how was it? How was Joe on 1:15:36.080 --> 1:15:40.040 inside the NFL? He was just a guest. He was 1:15:40.040 --> 1:15:42.840 always good. He would tell tell great stories. You know. 1:15:42.880 --> 1:15:45.479 I'd ask him I heard this, is that true? And 1:15:45.720 --> 1:15:48.280 he would yes, that's true. You know some of the 1:15:49.880 --> 1:15:54.080 What were the questions we asked him, Steve Young, Joe, Montana, 1:15:54.160 --> 1:15:56.479 the Bill washed uff and he would tell me somebodys go, wow, 1:15:56.600 --> 1:16:00.960 that's those are rough situations. He didn't like him, No, 1:16:01.080 --> 1:16:03.120 I didn't. I can't really remember what he said. But 1:16:03.280 --> 1:16:05.920 you know when they won the Super Bowl what the 1:16:06.000 --> 1:16:09.519 eighty eight season, they were shuffling, going back and forth 1:16:09.560 --> 1:16:11.719 and they finally made a decision, right, yeah, and stayed 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:14.240 with Joe and he was on fire. He threw the 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:16.720 ball awesome at the end of that year. Was that 1:16:16.840 --> 1:16:19.160 the year was he in Chicago in eighty eight? Yeah, 1:16:19.920 --> 1:16:22.519 they played the Bears in Chicago. Yeah, it was the 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:24.760 best game I ever saw him throw the football. And 1:16:24.880 --> 1:16:28.560 that's saying a lot. But the weather cold, it was 1:16:28.640 --> 1:16:30.840 really windy, and he was throwing and I said, wow, 1:16:31.000 --> 1:16:32.960 Joe was He was on fire? Of course. Then I 1:16:33.000 --> 1:16:34.960 think that was the year he went down to New 1:16:35.080 --> 1:16:39.040 Orleans and played Denver. Oh yeah, yeah, and just smoked him, 1:16:39.080 --> 1:16:40.760 smoked him. That would have been eighty nine probably, I 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:42.840 can't remember what eighty nine because then in ninety he 1:16:42.920 --> 1:16:45.120 got hurt. You guys, well, he won in eighty eight 1:16:45.120 --> 1:16:47.720 and eighty nine, and then ninety. You guys hurt him? 1:16:48.400 --> 1:16:50.200 When did Yeah, when did you go to Kansas City 1:16:50.880 --> 1:16:55.760 ninety ninety three or ninety two? I'll tell you ninety three, 1:16:56.120 --> 1:16:59.320 three ninety three. I'm positive because he was there and 1:16:59.439 --> 1:17:02.800 I was with the Reeves that year and my career 1:17:02.920 --> 1:17:06.519 ended after that year, and Joe played another year in 1:17:06.640 --> 1:17:10.760 Kansas City. But yeah, I'm right, I remember that part 1:17:10.760 --> 1:17:12.760 about it. He played. Of course he played great in 1:17:12.840 --> 1:17:16.920 Kansas City too. Yeah, you guys got hit so damn hard. 1:17:17.000 --> 1:17:20.040 You guys couldn't last well, that was I was hurt 1:17:20.120 --> 1:17:23.400 in the game he got hit in ninety so I 1:17:23.600 --> 1:17:25.040 was in the locker room kind of watching it on 1:17:25.160 --> 1:17:27.879 TV and going on the sidelines because I was on crutches, 1:17:28.600 --> 1:17:31.800 and I think, yeah, Pat summerw when Joe got hit 1:17:31.960 --> 1:17:34.920 as he rolled to the right and looking Leonard Marshall 1:17:35.200 --> 1:17:39.960 had a fifteen yard running start at him. And the 1:17:40.040 --> 1:17:43.559 next series started and Pat Sumraw goes the injury report 1:17:43.640 --> 1:17:49.400 from the bench is Joe Montana has overall ache. That 1:17:49.560 --> 1:17:54.080 was it? Overall ache? Oh god, it was maybe the 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:56.720 worst hit I ever saw a quarterback take. I mean, 1:17:56.720 --> 1:17:58.519 you remember it, right, I remember it. It looked like 1:17:58.560 --> 1:18:00.599 he broke them. Yeah, it looked like he broke his back. Yeah, 1:18:00.600 --> 1:18:03.120 he hit him so hard, he did. He broke his back, 1:18:03.240 --> 1:18:05.599 he did, That's what it was. He broke his back. Wow. 1:18:06.439 --> 1:18:10.160 Well back to Super Bowl twenty one, this was a 1:18:10.240 --> 1:18:12.400 game for so many First, you were the first to 1:18:12.479 --> 1:18:15.680 say I'm going to Disneyland, and then what's something said 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:17.720 the disney World too? You covered your baby? Did both? Yeah, 1:18:17.720 --> 1:18:20.920 they maybe did both, Yeah, Disneyland, disney World, and then 1:18:21.000 --> 1:18:24.439 you it was the first Gatorade shower. But I read 1:18:24.520 --> 1:18:26.479 that you guys were doing this. We did it all 1:18:26.560 --> 1:18:29.200 year or not all year. I don't know really how 1:18:29.240 --> 1:18:32.240 it started. I need to ask the culprits, but I 1:18:32.320 --> 1:18:36.520 think they did it over parcels. It wasn't because we're celebrating, 1:18:37.000 --> 1:18:39.320 because he was in one of those moods that week, 1:18:40.240 --> 1:18:44.760 like really bad. Yeah, and it was intolerable, and so 1:18:44.880 --> 1:18:48.479 one of the players who you know, he was on fire. 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:50.679 You got to cool him off, and A just basically said, 1:18:50.680 --> 1:18:53.720 that's for what you know, Yeah, I don't want to 1:18:53.880 --> 1:18:57.200 overdo it, or but that's because you were a jerk 1:18:57.280 --> 1:19:01.840 all week and I'm cleaning it all I bet. But see, 1:19:02.479 --> 1:19:05.760 how about that you could say that to him and 1:19:05.880 --> 1:19:08.680 allow it to happen, and you know he you know, 1:19:08.800 --> 1:19:10.680 Bill just shrug it off and that's it. And then 1:19:10.720 --> 1:19:13.559 it became, you know, part of every game we won. 1:19:13.640 --> 1:19:16.959 It became when's Bill going to get doast with gatorade? 1:19:17.080 --> 1:19:19.640 And wasn't bon Jovi on the sideline a bunch? He 1:19:19.760 --> 1:19:22.000 was at practices a lot. Yeah, I heard he was 1:19:22.080 --> 1:19:24.559 like the good luck charm? Is that what they said? Yeah, 1:19:24.600 --> 1:19:27.040 it could be. Of course I would be practicing. See 1:19:27.439 --> 1:19:29.920 there's John bon Jovi over there, and he was friends 1:19:29.960 --> 1:19:32.479 with Belichick. Yeah, and he but they would always let 1:19:32.520 --> 1:19:34.280 him out. He watched a lot of practices. I'm sure 1:19:34.320 --> 1:19:36.360 you saw him. Yeah, probably more than I did. We 1:19:36.439 --> 1:19:38.439 saw him a lot too in New England. Yeah. I 1:19:38.479 --> 1:19:41.040 remember James Taylor singing the national anthem at the Super 1:19:41.040 --> 1:19:43.680 Bowl coming off the field, and you know, he's a 1:19:43.720 --> 1:19:47.800 big giant fan and he sees Bill. He hits my parcels. Yeah, 1:19:47.840 --> 1:19:52.360 get away from me. Wow. No he didn't say okay, okay. 1:19:52.479 --> 1:19:55.280 So no, I didn't like people touching me from I 1:19:55.320 --> 1:19:58.960 didn't like talking to celebrity. I talked to one celebrity 1:19:59.040 --> 1:20:02.800 before a game, John McEnroe, right, it was before the 1:20:02.840 --> 1:20:05.840 Tennessee Titans game with Tom's last game we lost that 1:20:05.920 --> 1:20:08.000 I'll never talk to another one like I hated talk. 1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:09.760 I wanted to be like you said in the zone, 1:20:09.800 --> 1:20:11.880 you got to be focused on what you have to 1:20:11.960 --> 1:20:14.240 focus on. Yeah, I did. I did a benefit for 1:20:14.360 --> 1:20:18.600 McEnroe once and uh. In the front row, it's like 1:20:18.680 --> 1:20:21.080 this awful crowd. They're just talking. My entire set, every 1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:23.600 comics bombing and I just see this one lady one. 1:20:23.640 --> 1:20:26.080 I'm like, lady, shut up. And McEnroe was like, yes, 1:20:27.200 --> 1:20:31.600 Macro's applauding me. Just fishing people. It's funny. Yeah. On 1:20:31.800 --> 1:20:35.000 the my agent was good friends with Billy Crystal and 1:20:35.120 --> 1:20:38.000 Rob Reiner and of course they lived in La Well 1:20:38.040 --> 1:20:40.160 not of course, but they did. And he says, do 1:20:40.240 --> 1:20:42.000 you want to have dinner with him on Friday night? 1:20:42.080 --> 1:20:43.920 I said, you know, Friday night, I would because I 1:20:44.040 --> 1:20:46.920 liked Friday night. It's over and it'll be a good 1:20:46.960 --> 1:20:48.960 time to relax a little. I'll love to do it. Well, 1:20:49.000 --> 1:20:52.599 we go to dinner, Maconkie me. Uh, Rob Reiner didn't 1:20:52.600 --> 1:20:54.559 make it. Billy Crystal's there, so who have a great 1:20:54.640 --> 1:20:57.360 dinner and it's nice. We're laughing about a lot of stuff. 1:20:57.360 --> 1:21:00.479 And finally Billy Crystal, who's a great New York sports fan, 1:21:00.880 --> 1:21:04.760 he turns to me real seriously, so what do you think? 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:07.880 And I go, well, what do you mean when I think, well, 1:21:07.880 --> 1:21:10.280 I think we're gonna win, you know whatever. He goes 1:21:10.680 --> 1:21:12.040 and I said, well, let me tell you what we're 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:14.240 gonna do. I said, on the first play, we're gonna 1:21:14.240 --> 1:21:15.600 want to play action. I'm gonna throw the line of 1:21:15.640 --> 1:21:17.840 manual over the middle. The second play, we're doing this. 1:21:18.040 --> 1:21:20.080 The third play, we're doing that, and we get near 1:21:20.120 --> 1:21:22.080 the goal line. Here's what we're doing. He's going, really, 1:21:22.160 --> 1:21:24.360 I said, it's all true, because what are you gonna do? 1:21:24.400 --> 1:21:26.000 You can't And I'm not worried about what he's gonna 1:21:26.000 --> 1:21:28.720 tell anybody. So he's in the stands, we get the 1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:31.120 ball and he goes, he's gonna throw a play action 1:21:31.280 --> 1:21:33.880 pass to line ol man. Oh shut up, Billy, you 1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:36.360 don't know nothing. And it happens. They go what's he 1:21:36.439 --> 1:21:39.080 doing next? And he told the story I think on 1:21:39.680 --> 1:21:42.479 Johnny Carson that everybody kept going, what do you think, Billy? 1:21:42.560 --> 1:21:45.679 The whole game He's, well, you know, but I told 1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:47.840 him as much as I could and just that he 1:21:47.920 --> 1:21:50.720 could retain. But I told him that first series and 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:54.320 those plays really came off one, two all the way, 1:21:54.920 --> 1:21:57.400 just like we hope they would. Wow. Yeah, I know 1:21:57.520 --> 1:21:59.479 he was. He was great New York sports fan. But 1:21:59.520 --> 1:22:02.000 he's a clip fan. Is he a Clippers fan? He's 1:22:02.080 --> 1:22:05.040 I think a Yankees Giants but he's a Clippers fan. Yeah, 1:22:05.040 --> 1:22:06.840 I know he's a huge Yankee fan. He was, you know, 1:22:06.960 --> 1:22:09.040 he was a really good baseball player, was he? Yes, 1:22:09.200 --> 1:22:10.960 really good shortstop. He went I think he went to 1:22:11.000 --> 1:22:14.760 West Virginia and played baseball, and then he decided maybe 1:22:14.800 --> 1:22:18.720 acting might be a or whatever, being a comic. He 1:22:18.840 --> 1:22:20.840 did sixty one. I mean that was a good movie. 1:22:21.000 --> 1:22:25.719 Yeah about Maison Mantle. Yeah. Well, the best Broadway player 1:22:25.720 --> 1:22:28.960 I ever saw was his seven hundred Sundays? Is that 1:22:29.040 --> 1:22:32.640 what it was? Does y might know? Whatever the name was. 1:22:32.760 --> 1:22:35.040 It was just him reliving his life with his father, 1:22:35.280 --> 1:22:38.880 growing up, the music world and all this. Oh my gosh, 1:22:39.600 --> 1:22:42.880 I got to check it out. It was so funny. No, 1:22:43.120 --> 1:22:44.680 this has been years ago, but he did it in 1:22:44.840 --> 1:22:47.000 LA he did it on TV. I think he's doing 1:22:47.040 --> 1:22:50.640 another one now is something different. But I laughed so 1:22:50.880 --> 1:22:55.400 much there was four of us. I had a family friend, 1:22:55.560 --> 1:22:58.479 my youngest son, and another guy. One of my nephews 1:22:58.600 --> 1:23:01.240 was there. We laughed so hard a couple of times. 1:23:01.400 --> 1:23:04.200 Here's the stage. He's talking. I had to turn around. 1:23:04.200 --> 1:23:08.120 I said, I can't listen. I'm exhausted from lapping. It was. 1:23:08.320 --> 1:23:12.600 It was truly that funny it was. It was awesome. Geez. So, 1:23:13.040 --> 1:23:16.680 uh you know super Bowl MVP. Did you get some 1:23:16.800 --> 1:23:21.080 sort of car? I got a super Room. You got 1:23:21.160 --> 1:23:24.240 a Super U Super Yes, they had super US in 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:27.760 eighty eighty seven. Yeah, I guess so because they gave 1:23:27.840 --> 1:23:30.240 me one. Is it good? You still got it? I do? 1:23:30.760 --> 1:23:32.479 What do you do? You use it? It's just sitting 1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:36.880 down in Kentucky. But I go to New York to 1:23:36.920 --> 1:23:38.640 get the car. The city they have that you know, 1:23:38.720 --> 1:23:42.080 a luncheon, and they go, okay, here it is, get 1:23:42.120 --> 1:23:47.360 into forest. I'm like, it's small. It was really okay 1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:49.519 here I am. I don't know, look no, but it 1:23:49.640 --> 1:23:51.680 was great. Who cares what the car was. That's what 1:23:51.800 --> 1:23:54.200 it stood for exactly. We never we never got a car. 1:23:54.240 --> 1:23:56.200 I never get I just got a trophy. You didn't 1:23:56.200 --> 1:23:58.760 get a car back car? Super MVP. Yeah, no, they 1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:03.520 stopped it. Wow, they were getting away escalate, escalades, cadillacs, 1:24:04.439 --> 1:24:09.000 GM products. Didn't get it, didn't get anything they give it? 1:24:09.080 --> 1:24:11.560 You were you a Pro Bowl MVP two? No, I 1:24:11.600 --> 1:24:14.360 think they give away car for it, don't they. Yeah, 1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:18.439 they used I don't know, I didn't go, didn't know. 1:24:18.680 --> 1:24:20.560 I don't know. Well, I the one I played in. 1:24:21.080 --> 1:24:23.519 I was in fortunately the m v P and John 1:24:23.600 --> 1:24:26.320 Robinson was the coach. And after they named the MVP, goes, 1:24:26.360 --> 1:24:28.160 did you get a car? I said, I don't know 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:30.920 what it'll be awesome? You know, I got a trophy 1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:35.599 about this big, I got a cool trophy they gave Yeah, 1:24:35.640 --> 1:24:39.919 they give you like the like the whatever, the silver football, 1:24:40.040 --> 1:24:43.640 the silver Yeah, it's beautiful. Actually was it Tiffany's my 1:24:43.760 --> 1:24:46.680 mom my mom's house. Oh it is. Yeah. I was 1:24:46.760 --> 1:24:52.599 disappointed in the trophy too. No car, no trophy, Holy Christ. 1:24:53.439 --> 1:24:55.880 Just lucky to get out of the game. No one, 1:24:56.080 --> 1:24:58.200 you know. And I remember when it was over, I said, 1:24:58.240 --> 1:25:01.600 I'm never coming back. I'm not doing this again. This 1:25:01.800 --> 1:25:05.840 was torture. Is there anything we missed about this game? 1:25:06.240 --> 1:25:08.880 About the game, No, I don't know what to say 1:25:08.880 --> 1:25:13.120 about it was, you know, and I've watched the game 1:25:13.160 --> 1:25:16.120 probably two or three times, and I just couldn't get 1:25:16.120 --> 1:25:19.040 over how fast it went by. In other words, it 1:25:19.320 --> 1:25:21.840 seems long or whatever. What I was thinking. Then I 1:25:21.880 --> 1:25:23.760 watched the game, I go, Wow, that game went quick, 1:25:23.840 --> 1:25:27.400 and wow, we could have lost it like seven different times. Yeah. 1:25:27.640 --> 1:25:29.360 You know, that's what really kind of gets me when 1:25:29.400 --> 1:25:31.720 you look back, Oh my god, we stopped l way. 1:25:31.800 --> 1:25:33.280 Oh he missed the field goal. You know, you just 1:25:33.320 --> 1:25:34.960 start thinking of all the breaks that kind of go 1:25:35.080 --> 1:25:37.600 your way or you create. And I think that was 1:25:37.640 --> 1:25:40.000 the biggest thing when I see it. Oh my god. 1:25:40.080 --> 1:25:44.240 Who was Ricky Hunley their middle linebacker. You know, I 1:25:44.360 --> 1:25:46.320 watched the game once and I just went, oh my god. 1:25:46.360 --> 1:25:49.360 He was a superstar. He made every tackle I mean, 1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:53.960 and he was pissed off too the whole game. Get up, 1:25:54.000 --> 1:25:57.320 he kicked people, you know, Oh sorry, but I mean 1:25:57.360 --> 1:26:00.200 he was unbelievable. How but I would have never own 1:26:00.240 --> 1:26:02.080 that unless I sit down and watch the game again. 1:26:02.680 --> 1:26:04.599 You know, some of the guys that played so great. 1:26:05.800 --> 1:26:08.720 Carl Banks was the whole postseason. He was killing Oh 1:26:08.760 --> 1:26:11.080 my god, it was. He was the MVP really the 1:26:11.120 --> 1:26:15.040 whole postseason. In fact, John Madden even said everybody talks 1:26:15.040 --> 1:26:17.280 about Lawrence Taylor right now, the best linebacker in the 1:26:17.400 --> 1:26:19.519 NFL is Carl Banks. Wow. He said it on the air, 1:26:19.600 --> 1:26:22.120 which is a big thing for and John Badden loved 1:26:22.160 --> 1:26:25.000 Lawrence so him. For him to say that was tells 1:26:25.040 --> 1:26:29.519 you how great Carl Banks was during that postseason. So well, 1:26:29.600 --> 1:26:33.160 mister Simms, I do like your shirt. Yeah, it wore 1:26:33.280 --> 1:26:35.840 this to make you comfortable. Yeah. Well, I'm sweating like 1:26:35.960 --> 1:26:39.560 I hot in here. It is hot, good hot. You 1:26:39.640 --> 1:26:41.160 know when you get older you sweat a lot. You 1:26:41.240 --> 1:26:44.080 know that I don't. I'm still You'll see. It's things 1:26:44.120 --> 1:26:48.960 to look forward to. It's heat. You're always hot, always 1:26:49.040 --> 1:26:51.679 tired because you can't sleep as well. I mean everybody. 1:26:51.720 --> 1:26:55.479 Oh yeah, but you can't look forward to the having 1:26:55.479 --> 1:26:58.800 avodka cocktail with the wife and cooking. You can look 1:26:58.800 --> 1:27:01.880 forward to those things I do. It's a simple. It's 1:27:01.880 --> 1:27:04.040 a simple and you know we're empty nesters. You know, 1:27:04.200 --> 1:27:06.920 of course my kids are all old or they I 1:27:06.960 --> 1:27:09.120 got grand kids, and they go, how's it as empty nest? 1:27:09.240 --> 1:27:13.000 You miss the kids? No, it's awesome. Look at the 1:27:13.040 --> 1:27:15.160 house to ourselves. I don't have to worry about we 1:27:15.200 --> 1:27:17.160 don't have to make dinner for these every night. And 1:27:17.439 --> 1:27:21.920 you know it's great. It's great. From the man, the myth, 1:27:22.520 --> 1:27:26.519 the legend of New York Football Giants, the New York 1:27:26.560 --> 1:27:29.320 Football Giants, Phil Simms. Yeah, no, let me finish up 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:33.760 with this. I got to say, nobody in history has 1:27:33.880 --> 1:27:35.680 sucked the life out of one game more than me 1:27:35.760 --> 1:27:41.439 and Joe Namath. Come on, I'm here because of that game, 1:27:41.680 --> 1:27:44.160 not my career. I mean, everything I do, it's just 1:27:44.280 --> 1:27:46.920 because of that game. It really is. Well you you 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:50.800 showed up when it mattered most. Well, big players make 1:27:50.880 --> 1:27:55.479 big plays in big games, mister Sims, and that's exactly 1:27:55.560 --> 1:27:58.519 what you did for a long time tough football player. 1:27:58.880 --> 1:28:01.479 We appreciate you coming. I can't wait. You have a podcast? 1:28:01.560 --> 1:28:03.080 You have? What do you have? You know? I just 1:28:03.160 --> 1:28:05.640 go on everybody's podcast. No, I don't want to do 1:28:05.680 --> 1:28:08.479 the podcast. King if people call me, I said, yeah, 1:28:08.520 --> 1:28:10.120 can you wait till next week? I got two other 1:28:10.160 --> 1:28:12.680 ones this week. Yeah, I'll do them. You know, I 1:28:12.800 --> 1:28:16.160 know all the people and it's fun. You're good at it. Well, 1:28:16.320 --> 1:28:17.720 I don't know if I'm good at it, but I 1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:20.040 don't want to do one. All right, you know I'm 1:28:20.080 --> 1:28:24.680 looking not that I'm scaling back because if I work 1:28:24.720 --> 1:28:26.200 to I always say, if I work till I'm ninety, 1:28:26.200 --> 1:28:29.280 I'll break even. Yeah. So why why is that? Well, 1:28:29.439 --> 1:28:32.960 because I'm the money shredder. Yeah, you're oh you what 1:28:33.600 --> 1:28:37.960 the money shredder my wife. My wife goes shopping. I 1:28:38.000 --> 1:28:40.160 love it. I don't care. She said, she'll tell you 1:28:40.240 --> 1:28:43.000 the story. She'll go shopping. She shows that. I said, 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:44.280 I love them. Let me see the bill. I go, 1:28:44.720 --> 1:28:47.280 Diana distress. You know what calls so and so, and 1:28:47.400 --> 1:28:49.840 you know what her answer is. You know that's ridiculous. 1:28:51.560 --> 1:28:53.880 I mean, this has been going on. I made the 1:28:53.960 --> 1:28:59.120 mistake in nineteen eighty three. Now wait, my daughter was 1:28:59.200 --> 1:29:02.880 born in eighty four, so maybe it was eighty seven 1:29:03.000 --> 1:29:05.240 or whatever. My daughter's young. I said, you know, Dana, 1:29:05.360 --> 1:29:07.120 I don't care what you and dear dreit you can 1:29:07.200 --> 1:29:09.280 buy all the clothes you want doesn't mean anything because 1:29:09.320 --> 1:29:11.640 clothes were cheap then. Yeah, well, now here we are, 1:29:11.760 --> 1:29:15.600 what thirty some years later, and it's still going on, 1:29:16.240 --> 1:29:20.720 and uh, those clothes are not cheap anymore. So. Well, 1:29:21.400 --> 1:29:25.000 from the man who's married to the money shredder, money shredder, 1:29:25.560 --> 1:29:31.400 she's proud of it. Women shopping man. Oh shoot, true, 1:29:31.680 --> 1:29:34.439 thanks for having me on, Yeah, having us all right, 1:29:34.479 --> 1:29:38.360 come on time. Unbelievable stories you ever know anything? All right? 1:29:38.439 --> 1:29:41.160 Games with names got you? All right, Man, you're the best, 1:29:41.280 --> 1:29:44.200 You're the best. Good stuff. Man, he was great. He 1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:47.560 was good. Yeah, really good. I mean it's he's a 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:50.639 professional and he's your buddy. I mean, it's cool he's 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:56.960 your coworker. Yeah, he's Uh, he's a New York legend. 1:29:57.000 --> 1:29:58.519 I told. I told a good friend of mine. He's 1:29:58.520 --> 1:30:01.920 also a native New Yorker, my friend Matt Sallacus, who 1:30:03.720 --> 1:30:06.679 who directed one of my specials. And he he goes 1:30:06.720 --> 1:30:09.400 Phil Simms. I said, yeah, he goes. That's a fucking legend. 1:30:09.560 --> 1:30:16.719 He is tough, competitor, great stories. Uh, he's just tough, 1:30:17.600 --> 1:30:22.040 you know. And the Giants defense. That's crazy that he 1:30:22.280 --> 1:30:24.200 has all those intel. I mean it probably made him 1:30:24.240 --> 1:30:27.080 a better quarterback every day going against him. And just 1:30:27.160 --> 1:30:31.080 to hear that these these teams went live on Super 1:30:31.160 --> 1:30:35.920 Bowl Week with a scrimmage. That's crazy. I mean, don't 1:30:35.920 --> 1:30:37.880 you think that is part of what made Tom so great? 1:30:38.040 --> 1:30:40.160 Is that though some of those patriots we didn't have, 1:30:40.320 --> 1:30:42.280 we didn't go live on a you know, I know, 1:30:42.360 --> 1:30:45.439 but you were going against he went against the defense. Definitely, 1:30:45.640 --> 1:30:50.400 definitely going against defense. But I'm just saying the brutality 1:30:51.600 --> 1:30:56.280 of what the game was when mister Simms was playing 1:30:56.960 --> 1:31:01.479 like he didn't even he doesn't remember getting a personal 1:31:01.560 --> 1:31:04.599 foul on them, like roughing the quarterback. I mean, we're 1:31:04.600 --> 1:31:09.000 seeing guys protect knees on quarterbacks, fart on quarterbacks, and 1:31:09.080 --> 1:31:12.479 they're getting fifteen yarders in a fine like it's ridicy, 1:31:12.600 --> 1:31:15.679 it's crazy. I mean, if you watched some of these highlights. 1:31:16.360 --> 1:31:18.280 I think there's a highlight of him picking up his 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:22.760 teeth because he was getting serious. There's these quarterbacks used. 1:31:22.800 --> 1:31:24.479 By the way, farting on a quarterback would be the 1:31:24.520 --> 1:31:28.240 best celebration dance ever after a sack, just like lifting 1:31:28.320 --> 1:31:31.880 up a leg. That's a that's a badass celebration. Or 1:31:32.000 --> 1:31:34.040 just piss on him with a fire hydrant. Yeah, just 1:31:34.160 --> 1:31:36.240 fake fake like a zipping down it. Yeah, that's a 1:31:36.320 --> 1:31:39.760 that's a good one. They settled the prop bet. Did 1:31:39.840 --> 1:31:42.000 we do it? Did we get it? We must have 1:31:42.080 --> 1:31:48.240 done it. I had five, damn five. We got to 1:31:48.320 --> 1:31:50.360 review the tape. I'm getting a lot of a lot 1:31:50.400 --> 1:31:53.840 of conflicting messages here, but I got five. Damn. I'm sorry, guys, 1:31:53.960 --> 1:32:01.920 under there's no reason to be sorry, but we'll take it. Jackie. 1:32:02.160 --> 1:32:04.360 What's the legacy for this game? I think it's, you know, 1:32:05.080 --> 1:32:07.680 big blue wrecking crew, This this set up who the 1:32:07.800 --> 1:32:11.840 Giants franchise wanted to be until now. Honestly, whenever the 1:32:11.920 --> 1:32:16.240 Giants win, it's because of the defense. We've had killer 1:32:16.360 --> 1:32:19.320 quarterbacks who rise to the occasion, you know, Sims Eli, 1:32:19.479 --> 1:32:22.200 But like, let's be real, you make it this far 1:32:22.360 --> 1:32:26.559 in the playoffs with a great defense. Complimentary football teams, Yeah, 1:32:26.920 --> 1:32:29.400 you know, defense, got teams that know how to play 1:32:29.479 --> 1:32:34.439 with each other, you know, and and you know, just 1:32:34.560 --> 1:32:38.599 with with Parcels and how he was trying to push 1:32:38.680 --> 1:32:40.760 buttons to get the best out of his players. That'll 1:32:40.800 --> 1:32:44.719 always stick out from just hearing the stories from Sims. 1:32:45.520 --> 1:32:49.599 Mister sims performance in the Super Bowl eighty eight percent 1:32:49.760 --> 1:32:53.960 completion percentage, getting the Super Bowl MVP. You know, five 1:32:54.120 --> 1:32:57.200 consecutive drives with touchdowns at the end of the game, 1:32:57.320 --> 1:33:00.639 that's I mean, that's that's a that's a super Bowl. Yeah, 1:33:01.320 --> 1:33:03.280 this was that was they were losing at halftime and 1:33:03.320 --> 1:33:07.760 blow them out. That's that's adjustment. That's players making big 1:33:07.880 --> 1:33:11.840 plays in big situations and great coaches giving great information. 1:33:12.200 --> 1:33:15.360 So you know that was pretty cool. Also Belichick's first 1:33:15.400 --> 1:33:20.040 taste of a Super Bowl. Yeah, as a as an assistant. 1:33:20.320 --> 1:33:22.200 Then he got carried off. We needn't ask him that. 1:33:22.920 --> 1:33:25.280 I didn't ask him that. So what's the lasting image 1:33:25.320 --> 1:33:28.160 for this? I mean, it's pretty crazy that this was 1:33:28.240 --> 1:33:32.040 the first time they ever said we're going to Disneyland, 1:33:32.640 --> 1:33:34.760 because that's all you think about when you were a kid, 1:33:34.920 --> 1:33:38.439 when you went playing in the backyard with your boys, 1:33:39.439 --> 1:33:43.080 having an imaginary game or whatever, like you always dreamed 1:33:43.080 --> 1:33:45.640 about saying I'm going disney World. I'm going Disneyland. It 1:33:45.760 --> 1:33:48.200 was wholesome. It was wholesome. It wasn't like I'm going 1:33:48.240 --> 1:33:49.800 to the titty bar. It's like, I'm going to Disney 1:33:49.840 --> 1:33:51.840 And the kids were like, oh, okay, yeah, you know, 1:33:52.400 --> 1:33:56.160 I'm going to Disneyland. That and the Gatorage splash. The 1:33:56.200 --> 1:33:59.920 Gatorage splash is an on parcels, who's this iconic code 1:34:01.840 --> 1:34:04.559 and all because they didn't. They were mad at him 1:34:04.640 --> 1:34:06.600 during the week. I remember he said he started they 1:34:06.640 --> 1:34:08.960 started it because he was an asshole all week. You 1:34:09.000 --> 1:34:11.240 don't realize that's an aggressive move. Like you think that's 1:34:11.280 --> 1:34:13.040 like we love you, coach, but it was like, fuck you, 1:34:13.360 --> 1:34:16.800 here's your gatorade. It's so funny to see the reactions 1:34:16.840 --> 1:34:18.840 of these coaches when they get hit at the cold 1:34:19.680 --> 1:34:22.160 So funny. There's not beause it's the greatest moment. But 1:34:22.240 --> 1:34:25.080 you're just sticky. Isn't that weird? You're just like I'm 1:34:25.160 --> 1:34:30.920 just covered in you know, sugar. Yeah, But in defense 1:34:30.960 --> 1:34:33.519 of and like what nutritionists could say, if they're thirsty 1:34:33.640 --> 1:34:35.920 with all the amount of energy output that they, even 1:34:36.000 --> 1:34:38.160 coaches do, just standing out there, maybe just give a 1:34:38.200 --> 1:34:40.519 little lick. You get a lick, get a little sugar. 1:34:40.560 --> 1:34:43.760 But also, dude, during Pasadena, he's getting eaten up by mosquitoes. 1:34:43.800 --> 1:34:47.160 After that, now there's no mosquitos in color. That's humidity. 1:34:47.360 --> 1:34:51.360 That's humidity, humidity something some flies or nothing. Not been 1:34:51.400 --> 1:34:56.000 to California. They were flies. Debatable jacket on that we 1:34:56.080 --> 1:34:59.559 gotta I'm just saying there's no humidity, there's no bugs. 1:34:59.640 --> 1:35:02.040 How about I got another lasting image for you, Bivarro 1:35:02.120 --> 1:35:06.479 in the end zone and the shot above him sixteen 1:35:06.520 --> 1:35:09.080 to ten giants, because that's the touchdown where they start 1:35:09.160 --> 1:35:14.160 to never look back. Yeah, that's pretty badass. That was 1:35:14.240 --> 1:35:19.840 a physicality to lasting image. That just a physical team, 1:35:20.280 --> 1:35:24.000 physical on offense. You could just tell mister Simms just 1:35:24.080 --> 1:35:27.280 a tough guy defense. We don't even to talk about that. 1:35:28.040 --> 1:35:31.160 We had just no lt Banks, the badasses Jack. What 1:35:31.240 --> 1:35:34.880 do we forget? We got a couple of things here today. 1:35:35.280 --> 1:35:39.760 Phil mentioned Billy Crystal baseball talk. Billy Crystal actually went 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:44.519 to Marshall on a baseball scholarship, but the program got 1:35:44.560 --> 1:35:48.000 suspended before he could play a game, transferred back to NYU. 1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:51.160 The rest is history. Rumor even has that he was 1:35:51.240 --> 1:35:55.519 classmates with Oliver Stone and Christopher Guest. So those are good. 1:35:55.840 --> 1:35:59.080 You go to NYU, you're giving up on sports. It's over. 1:36:01.200 --> 1:36:05.880 It ain't Marshall Donna say we are n YU. It's done. 1:36:06.320 --> 1:36:12.880 We are what alas other than YU. We talked about 1:36:13.520 --> 1:36:17.479 Dan Marino setting the passing record or passing attempts record 1:36:17.800 --> 1:36:20.640 at six twenty three that season. It's been blown out 1:36:20.640 --> 1:36:22.719 of the water. Just to put it in context, Brady 1:36:22.800 --> 1:36:25.760 had seven hundred nineteen passing attempts last season, and that's 1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:29.080 not even first. Matthew Stafford in twenty twelve seven hundred 1:36:29.080 --> 1:36:33.200 and twenty seven extra game. Yeah, extra game and they 1:36:33.360 --> 1:36:36.920 just throw the balls all day. We also talked about 1:36:36.920 --> 1:36:41.680 the wind in the Wind Bowl and the equated it 1:36:41.800 --> 1:36:45.439 to Bill taking the wind in a twenty thirteen game 1:36:46.000 --> 1:36:50.120 against the Broncos twenty four nothing comeback, Patriots end up 1:36:50.160 --> 1:36:54.080 winning an overtime Bill takes the wind. Jewels finished with 1:36:54.320 --> 1:36:58.160 nine catches one hundred and ten yards to TDS to 1:36:59.240 --> 1:37:02.120 bad day against the wind, but great Bob Seger song 1:37:03.000 --> 1:37:08.240 again again love Bob Singer rules in the page. Buddy, 1:37:08.320 --> 1:37:12.760 Oh that's the the road song. Oh it's perfect. Got 1:37:12.800 --> 1:37:15.479 two more Dr Pepper, I know where got a packed 1:37:15.520 --> 1:37:20.080 one today? Uh? Today. The prune juice rumor has nagged 1:37:20.120 --> 1:37:24.519 Doctor Pepperson's the nineteen thirties. It's a unique blend of 1:37:24.680 --> 1:37:27.600 natural and artificial flavors. No prune juice, but it is. 1:37:28.080 --> 1:37:30.840 It is a rumor. The rumors get started. That's like 1:37:30.880 --> 1:37:33.760 the Richard gear gerbil in the ass. It's probably not true, 1:37:33.800 --> 1:37:36.840 but it must really hurt him, you know, does he? 1:37:37.400 --> 1:37:40.360 There's got to be some truth, who knows. I mean, 1:37:40.400 --> 1:37:42.559 it's got to come from somewhere, I know. But that's 1:37:42.600 --> 1:37:44.519 got If that's not true, that's got a stink. Well 1:37:45.000 --> 1:37:47.320 how men years ago was that? I don't know, Because 1:37:47.360 --> 1:37:49.679 the Gerbil thing was like a hot topic for a second, 1:37:49.800 --> 1:37:52.080 it had to be post pretty Woman. He's not landing 1:37:52.520 --> 1:37:55.479 a romantic comedy lead as the Gerbil guy. I mean 1:37:55.560 --> 1:37:58.040 with that, he's a silber fox. That's pretty handsome. He 1:37:58.160 --> 1:38:00.920 is handsome, handsome guy. Good looking guy, good looking guy. 1:38:01.040 --> 1:38:04.439 That rumor has been around since ninety eight. Wow, yeah, 1:38:05.080 --> 1:38:08.559 that's post pretty Woman. Oh yeah, wait post yeah, primal 1:38:08.680 --> 1:38:12.400 Fear Salad, Richard Gear Movie, Young Ed Norton, all right, 1:38:12.439 --> 1:38:16.760 one last one, last one. Phil was a talker on 1:38:16.840 --> 1:38:20.240 this episode. Phil was a talker in the postgame interview 1:38:20.280 --> 1:38:24.000 of this so CBS did not get to air one 1:38:24.080 --> 1:38:27.679 shining moment, which we now know is played after every 1:38:27.840 --> 1:38:31.160 n CUBA tournament. It was supposed to be for the 1:38:31.200 --> 1:38:35.080 Super Bowl. The lyric was the ball is kicked, and 1:38:35.200 --> 1:38:37.160 we now know it has been changed to the ball 1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:41.240 is tipped for the NCAA tournament. They saved it, use 1:38:41.280 --> 1:38:43.720 it for the NCAA tournament. Now it's legendary. What are 1:38:43.760 --> 1:38:45.559 we even talking about? You know the song they play 1:38:45.560 --> 1:38:51.080 at the end of every NCUAA tournament. Absolutely not huh, Well, 1:38:51.120 --> 1:38:54.000 you guys gotta watch some college troops. I don't know. 1:38:54.240 --> 1:38:56.479 I mean we watch it. Oh man, I don't know 1:38:56.600 --> 1:38:58.600 the song. I'm usually knocked out with my bracket in 1:38:58.720 --> 1:39:02.000 like the first three days, so I stink, all right, 1:39:02.200 --> 1:39:05.599 not a as badly as Julian is in our fantasy 1:39:05.640 --> 1:39:08.880 football league. But I won this last week. I didn't 1:39:08.920 --> 1:39:13.479 get murdered in my Pickhum's league with inside the NFL. Literally, 1:39:14.479 --> 1:39:17.280 I think I need to just I went four for twelve, 1:39:18.080 --> 1:39:21.439 four for twelve. I'm going to start making my picks 1:39:21.520 --> 1:39:24.680 and then turn in the opposite. That's what I have 1:39:24.840 --> 1:39:29.120 to I mean, it's it's a fucking disaster. Yeah, he's 1:39:29.160 --> 1:39:34.720 fucking handicappers slame the game. That's tough. I think it's 1:39:34.760 --> 1:39:37.640 got to be. I'm going to Disney World game. I 1:39:37.640 --> 1:39:39.880 don't think that's it. Although that's that's a good name, 1:39:40.040 --> 1:39:42.360 but it's that's after the game. You can't call the game. 1:39:42.720 --> 1:39:45.920 Some of them the post game, the Gatorway Shower game. 1:39:46.040 --> 1:39:47.920 It's that's a great image, but I don't think that's it. 1:39:48.000 --> 1:39:50.320 I think it's got to be. Mister Sims goes to Pasadena, 1:39:50.680 --> 1:39:55.479 Mister Simms goes to Pasadena. That's good. It's three children, 1:39:55.520 --> 1:39:57.880 but we just call it the Giants first super Bowl. 1:39:58.640 --> 1:40:06.599 I mean, that's that's pretty that works. Okay, which way 1:40:06.600 --> 1:40:10.800 are you leaning? Well, let's give mister Simms roses. Let's 1:40:10.840 --> 1:40:12.799 do it, give us a lot of time. Mister Simms 1:40:12.920 --> 1:40:17.080 goes to Pasadena. It's like Curious George goes to Pasaden. 1:40:17.240 --> 1:40:20.120 Mister Simms goes to Pastinas. That's that's that's good. Curious 1:40:20.160 --> 1:40:24.240 George fucking rules Smith goes to Washington. Well, I think 1:40:24.240 --> 1:40:27.400 it's a rip riff on. Uh yeah, the movie oh 1:40:28.880 --> 1:40:33.559 holy smokes, yeah no, but Curious Chorge was good. I'm like, escape. 1:40:33.800 --> 1:40:35.880 I think they escaped the Nazis. Isn't that the story 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:38.920 with Curious George. They escaped the Nazis with only their 1:40:39.640 --> 1:40:42.800 books and they and they like came and started up. 1:40:42.960 --> 1:40:45.680 I think that's the whole Curious George story. Really look 1:40:45.720 --> 1:40:48.200 into that, look into that. That's good. How do we 1:40:48.280 --> 1:40:52.439 score the game? Uh? Steaks, Steaks are high. It's a 1:40:52.520 --> 1:40:57.360 super Bowl, first super Bowl for the New York Football Giants. 1:40:57.400 --> 1:41:02.400 That pretty much starts their lineage. It's interesting because like steaks, 1:41:02.560 --> 1:41:06.080 now you look at for the Broncos. They're high, but 1:41:06.960 --> 1:41:09.080 you know Lway one two at the end, it's not 1:41:09.280 --> 1:41:12.240 like he would be back. He would so you can't 1:41:12.320 --> 1:41:14.240 go as high for that. But for the Giants, the 1:41:14.280 --> 1:41:17.960 stakes are high, I think because you have this amazing defense. 1:41:18.920 --> 1:41:21.759 If you don't deliver with this team, it's it's a letdown. 1:41:21.840 --> 1:41:25.360 They've got they they blew, they blew the breaks off 1:41:25.400 --> 1:41:29.560 of the forty. Yeah, so the stake like this was 1:41:29.640 --> 1:41:31.880 their shot. Yeah, because the Niners were the team of 1:41:31.880 --> 1:41:33.960 the eighties exactly, So I think the stakes are pretty 1:41:34.000 --> 1:41:37.160 high for the Giants. Yeah, I would say nine flat 1:41:37.320 --> 1:41:40.519 nine flat nine Yeah, I know. Yeah. Star power, I 1:41:40.600 --> 1:41:43.559 mean we have there's so many huges. It's a huge 1:41:43.600 --> 1:41:46.080 star power because you have to not just the players, 1:41:46.120 --> 1:41:49.960 but the coaches. Very true. I mean, this is it's 1:41:50.000 --> 1:41:52.640 like a nine to three maybe, is that crazy? I 1:41:52.720 --> 1:42:01.479 mean you've got Lway, Lt Sims, Banks, Belichick, Parcels, big names. E. Yeah. Yeah, 1:42:01.520 --> 1:42:05.840 we gotta go nine two nine two. That's it's it's tough. 1:42:06.880 --> 1:42:09.880 That's nine two, I'll get we gotta go nine two. Gameplay, 1:42:11.960 --> 1:42:14.080 I mean, the goal line stand was good. It was 1:42:14.120 --> 1:42:16.080 a back and forth battle in the first half, but 1:42:16.160 --> 1:42:18.559 then it became a It wasn't amazing. It wasn't an 1:42:18.560 --> 1:42:21.400 amazing game. Now, it's not like it came down to 1:42:21.439 --> 1:42:24.120 the wire or something. No, what do you think like 1:42:24.280 --> 1:42:29.640 eight two seven eight, seven four six eight, Kyler is 1:42:29.680 --> 1:42:33.439 a hater man. Seven to two, seven to two. It's 1:42:33.439 --> 1:42:36.320 a seven pass. It's really good. The name is I 1:42:36.760 --> 1:42:39.599 can't go too high in the name. Mister Simms goes 1:42:39.640 --> 1:42:45.840 to Pasadena because it's what like a seven? You're going lower? 1:42:47.439 --> 1:42:51.160 Five six? All right? Five six? Are we disrespecting him, 1:42:51.200 --> 1:42:53.360 mister Simms. We're gonna hear from him. We said it. 1:42:53.520 --> 1:42:57.439 It's in Let's see what the game Kyler? Dude, Russian 1:42:57.600 --> 1:43:01.800 seven point eight, that's pretty good. The Iron iron Man 1:43:01.920 --> 1:43:04.800 match was a nine or eight? Was it? It was 1:43:04.840 --> 1:43:08.280 an eight eight? That's an eighty eight place a full point. Yeah, 1:43:08.400 --> 1:43:11.400 the Ironman mattress pretty hardcore. It's pretty hard. I mean, 1:43:11.479 --> 1:43:14.080 isn't New York football giants? Well? Look, I would love 1:43:14.120 --> 1:43:16.640 to go higher here. I'm just saying, but you got 1:43:16.760 --> 1:43:18.720 we gotta be got to honor this score the game. 1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:20.280 We have to on the score. But I just want 1:43:20.360 --> 1:43:22.320 people to know, like I tried to give him more, 1:43:22.360 --> 1:43:25.680 and you know, Sam just said, Hey, no, dude, you 1:43:26.680 --> 1:43:32.959 it's right where it's at. Remember Games with Names on YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, 1:43:33.240 --> 1:43:38.040 We're everywhere. Subscribe on Apple podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen, uh, 1:43:38.400 --> 1:43:43.320 comment on a game, rate and review us, swipe up yeah, 1:43:44.120 --> 1:43:50.479 rate review, comment, like and talk to us. And curious 1:43:50.520 --> 1:43:54.760 George anything you were correct, Boom, suck at Nazis. 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