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Speaker 2: What you mean biblical?

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Speaker 1: What he means is Old Testament here mayor real wrath

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Speaker 3: Together, passus, Parry's something strange?

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Speaker 4: Who are you gonna call?

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Speaker 5: Ron and Aian?

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Speaker 3: Every week everybody says, what are you gonna talk about

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Speaker 3: this week? And then I don't know, because there's a

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Speaker 3: lot I can talk about. There's a lot I can

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Speaker 2: Let's let's say, hoff marsh Fellow that what chir doctor?

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Speaker 3: Has anybody diagnosed this or attempted to diagnose it.

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Speaker 2: I plugged in a code reader and it came up

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Speaker 2: prank shaft position censer and camshaft position censor on Bank

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the radio home of Ronanane, the Car Doctor

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Speaker 5: since nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners the

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Speaker 5: world overturn to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 5: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 3: Are open, but I am here to take your calls

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Speaker 2: And now where wolf what Wolfe running?

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Speaker 3: Well, it looks like we're off to another round of

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Speaker 3: talking with the car doctor. And thanks for being here,

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Speaker 3: Ron and Inian at your service. You know my next guest,

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Speaker 3: we're going to start right off with our interview this hour.

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Speaker 3: You know, our next guest really needs no introduction. He's

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Speaker 3: a long time he's like family here. We think of

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Speaker 3: Ron Ross as somebody that just he's always hanging around,

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Speaker 3: and we're glad to have him hanging around with us

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Speaker 3: because it's he's got a long history in motorsports, in

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Speaker 3: engine building, in performance. He was formerly the owner of

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Speaker 3: Simon K Performance out of New Jersey. A lot of

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Speaker 3: you will remember that name, Simon K Performance down Gasoline

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Speaker 3: Alley down in Patterson.

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Speaker 4: New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: And he has since moved on as the industry has changed,

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Speaker 3: and he is now with ATL fuel Cells, still involved

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Speaker 3: in performance, still helping cars go faster, and still racing

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Speaker 3: a little bit on the side. I think, mister Ross, gosh,

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Speaker 3: we're still doing this.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe it's been about twelve years now?

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Speaker 4: I think it's longer than that.

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Speaker 3: I think it's closer to fifteen.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to admit to fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't. I can't believe that, you know, this

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Speaker 3: is still going on. First, I can't believe I'm still

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Speaker 3: talking to you. And second, I can't believe I'm on

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Speaker 3: the air this long. It's like thirty four years now.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's you know, it's just it's crazy. So Simon K Performance,

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Speaker 3: you know, re revisited for everybody if you can. You know,

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Speaker 3: it was one of the premier performance shops starting back

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Speaker 3: when and until when and then you know it's gone.

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Speaker 4: You know what was that like?

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Speaker 3: You know, because there was such a there was such

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's exactly right. It actually started before it

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Speaker 2: with Simonic it was Ted Horn. But in the thirties

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Speaker 2: the little area Patterson there that's known as Gasoline Alley

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Speaker 2: place for a performance cars and racing cars. Engines, chasses

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Speaker 2: and I got together, we purchased it. I had a

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Speaker 2: great run of about twenty one years, and at that

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Speaker 2: you know what, I still love doing the engine work.

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Speaker 2: But let me step over to another part of motorsports.

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Speaker 4: Is are there are there?

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Speaker 3: Are the problems with engine parts still ongoing? I mean,

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Speaker 3: You know, can you get quality rocker arms, camshafts, lifters,

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Speaker 2: that's a little tougher, and that's getting harder to source

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Speaker 3: Now you know you're now at ATL ATL fuel Cells. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is a story into its elf. What we you know?

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Speaker 3: Who is I'm going to I'm gonna play dummy here

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Speaker 3: for a minute. Who is ATL fuel Cells?

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Speaker 4: Ron Ross?

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Speaker 2: Oh, there we go. So ATL has started. Peter Regnan

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Speaker 2: owns the company still to this day, started in nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 2: What we manufactured, the specialty is a deformable bladder for fuel.

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Speaker 2: So in reality, to put it in Laymans terns, what

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Speaker 2: we have here is a safety gas tank. When we

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Speaker 2: call those fuel cells. This is something that in the

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Speaker 2: event of an accident, this tank fuel cell can get

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Speaker 2: crushed into an unusual shape and it will take that

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Speaker 3: Hell, so it's a it's it's an accident proof guests

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Speaker 2: Tank pretty much. That's a real good way to put it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: in many shapes and.

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Speaker 3: Sizes and what and you can custom design it. So

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Speaker 3: so give us an example where we're in racing. Are

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Speaker 2: Pretty much everywhere? As Ato, we're the big I guess,

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Speaker 2: the big dog in the whole industry. So we're fortunate there.

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Speaker 2: We make the fuel tank sell bladder for every F

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Speaker 2: one team, which is Formula one team in the world,

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Speaker 2: every NASCAR Cup team in the entire country, as well

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Speaker 2: as almost every EMSIG team, and many other forms of

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Speaker 2: motorsports all have safety fuel sales in them.

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Speaker 4: How long were you at ATL now run, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to believe this. This is my twelfth year

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Speaker 2: and I believe it's just starting my third as the

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Speaker 3: So you know, in the twelve years you're there, has

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Speaker 2: Oh? So right, it's up across the board the racers.

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Speaker 2: The racers are really good at re engineering and making

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Speaker 2: And that's just brought about a whole new dimension of building.

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Speaker 3: So what you're saying is, if you've gotten I'll be

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Speaker 3: very basic and very layman here, you've got a twenty

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Speaker 2: Yes, we certainly do a lot of that and that

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Speaker 2: we have a lot of internal baffling to help compensate

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Speaker 3: What does it take to make a fuel cell for

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Speaker 2: Oh well, we do have the contract for that. Like

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Speaker 2: a very flexible material, and it takes some of our

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Speaker 3: So it takes is it a team of guys, a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have quite a team here in our New

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Speaker 2: I met. We have about sixty five people in total.

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Speaker 2: But some of the cells take twenty thirty hours and

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Speaker 2: the real complicated ones take upwards of eighty to one

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Speaker 3: ATL started in New Jersey so many years ago, right,

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Speaker 3: isn't that where Peter started it?

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Speaker 4: Or am I wrong?

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Speaker 2: This little town called Waldwick. I don't know if you

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Speaker 4: I've heard of Waldwick.

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Speaker 2: You're probably there about forty hours every week working.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I did start there in a small two car garage.

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Speaker 2: And you know now we have seventy two thousand square

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Speaker 3: See, I never knew it was in Woldock. I thought

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Speaker 3: they started in Ramsey, down by the railroad tracks. But

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Speaker 3: that's just boy, what a small world. That's crazy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's crazy, and it's now it's worldwide. Right, you know

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Speaker 3: you're you're I mean, listen, when I called you to

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Speaker 3: set up this conversation, you were down at NASCAR watching

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Speaker 3: a race, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was actually a Charlotte Motor Speedway for the

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of teams, Penske Racing and Toyota Racing

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Speaker 3: Now, when you when you make a fuel cell for

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Speaker 3: a NASCAR car, if it's the same series, right, are

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Speaker 3: all the fuel cells made the same way? Or does

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Speaker 3: do the teams get specific? One wants this baffle, one

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Speaker 3: wants that baffle.

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Speaker 2: You know, how does that work well for the high

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Speaker 2: end teams like the Cup teams? It is specked out

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Speaker 2: by NASCAR. It has to be a certain way the

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Speaker 2: lower classes. Has it come down a little bit. If

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Speaker 2: you get into Infinity or ARCA, they do have some leeway.

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Speaker 2: The external dimensions are called out by NASCAR, but the

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Speaker 3: Now, just out of curiosity ballpark, how much could a

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Speaker 3: fuel cell be for a NASCAR Cup car?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's yeah, it's the inner little inner bladder liner

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Speaker 2: is in the four to five thousand dollars range. And

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Speaker 2: as far as racing goes in a big scheme of motorsports,

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Speaker 3: here with Ron Ross. He is a national sales manager

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Speaker 4: Don't go away.

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Speaker 2: Where you're wanting vehicle not taking you where you want

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Speaker 3: Hey, we're here talking with Ron Ross of ATL fuel

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Speaker 4: At your service, Ron. We pulled away for the pause.

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Speaker 4: The question was.

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Speaker 3: And well, my memory was, there was a time when

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Speaker 3: All from a tiny little garage in Waldrick, New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: Just I remember that you guys were making water bladders

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Speaker 2: That came out of racing. That's something that they learned. Uh,

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Speaker 2: Uh they are you. They have a lot of stuff

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Speaker 3: How does you know I've got a We've got a

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Speaker 2: Ron?

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Speaker 3: It is just because it's it's a million dollars to

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Speaker 2: Well, I know there's a few more things that are

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Speaker 3: Around at linc dot com. You know, Ron, I got

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Speaker 3: I know the listeners enjoy it, and so do Why

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Speaker 4: Well we'll talk about that then.

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Speaker 3: So as always, always a pleasure, Ron, you'd be well,

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