WEBVTT - Life After Contact 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.720 I would like to believe that if aliens really took 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:06.360 over the Earth, that I would become a fearless resistance fighter. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:10.800 I'd be living underground, I'd be stealing alien technology, but 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.360 most of all, I'd be making those inspirational speeches right 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.640 before the dangerous missions. But I really don't know. I've 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.680 got no army training. I'm not good with camping. I 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.360 really do like indoor plumbing and air conditioning. So honestly, 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:26.200 I think it could be really tough for me to 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.160 survive one of those invasions. But Brent, I don't know 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:31.480 if you've given any thought to how you would get 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:32.720 through an alien invasion. 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.640 I've thought about this a lot. Actually, Oh good, Yeah, 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.640 and so I have exactly the same amount of skills 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:42.879 that you do in terms of surviving. If you think 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.159 about it, there seems to be three different lanes you 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.440 can pick. There's the I'm going to roll over and 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.600 assimilate and just be a good soldier. I'm going to 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.120 join a resistance and fight and try and bring down 0:00:55.400 --> 0:01:00.200 the alien overlords. Or I'm going to be a double agent. Yeah. So, 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.120 even though I have qualms about the moral and ethical 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.880 gray area of that, if you will. It sounds more exciting, 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.840 So I think I would go with collaborator. 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:15.039 It's completely defensible for you because no matter who you're 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.720 talking to, you get to say I'm actually on your side. 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.920 I've only been pretending yes to do the other. That's 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:24.400 really smart. What you don't want to become is an 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:29.160 enthusiastic collaborator. But I'm afraid that if I was collaborating, 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.840 I'd be one of those reluctant middle management collaborators, the 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.520 guys that has preservations but just trying to make things 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:37.040 work out. 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.279 That's my nightmare scenario. I like yours. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.240 I'm going to go with double agent from now on. 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.880 But this whole thing, this episode Life After Contact, has 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.840 been really fun because to try to imagine what actually 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.360 might happen, because we've done a lot where we're talking 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:55.120 about are there movies that actually reflect something that's really 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.560 going on right now? But clearly, if we're going to 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:02.680 do a show about life after Contact where contact has 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.120 occurred in some result and they're here with us on 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.600 Earth right now, I may believe they're here on Earth 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.200 right now, some of them, but I don't actually see 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.360 evidence that we are having the boot of aliens on 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.600 us on a daily basis, and so really the question 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.240 we're answering today is once the ships stop arriving and 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.760 these aliens settle in, there's a lot of different ways 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.960 to go. And I hadn't actually thought of this until 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.280 we started looking into all these movies. We've got a 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.320 bunch of them today. Freedom Fighter and Collaborator obviously the 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:39.200 ones the big choices, but we found places where there's refugees, 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:43.560 and certainly there's bureaucrats out there, and neighbors and even 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.280 romantic partners and a few of them, which is very 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.600 odd and strange. But mostly I think a lot of 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.639 people would just turn out to be the guy that's 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.040 trying to keep his lights on without getting vaporized. 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.960 That tends to be the most common storyline. Although I 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.680 do notice that most of the time Hollywood casts the 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.880 heroes as rebels. That the people that you're usually following 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.239 in these stories, if there is some sort of resistance 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:11.000 or rebellion, those are the characters you'll be following, right, 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.760 which I think makes sense from a dramatic standpoint. That's 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.360 the toughest character arc. You're against all odds, you're just 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.200 one guy. You're part of a resistance. At any time 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.560 you could get caught and probably killed. And it's a 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.079 David versus Goliath story, So what's not to love. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:31.040 I've been on a film festival of post contact interaction 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.239 and the one thing that kind of struck me after 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.680 watching all these things is, if you think about it, 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:41.440 first contact is like an event, that's something that happens 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.920 at some point in these movies or even in the 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.640 backstory of the movie. A bunch of ships come and 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.680 quite often a specific number of them, which is very 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:56.760 interesting as well. But if first contacts an event, coexistence 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.800 is a political system. And I find that very interesting 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:02.760 because as we look through the films we're going to 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.360 be talking about today and the TV series. In fact, 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:09.160 TV series are quite prominent in this world. It's how 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:13.320 they are trying to organize themselves. After this clash of 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.400 cultures that we were talking about in our previous episode. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:20.520 I've had it fascinating, and it actually one began. 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:21.240 To inform the other. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.400 I would watch We'll get to all this later, but 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.840 you watch Alien Nation, which comes from the eighties, and 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.880 then you get to watch District nine from the two thousands, 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.600 and they seem to have evolved in their own way. 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.640 Yeah, I have to say that when we were preparing 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.240 for this, and I'd seen a lot of this content before, 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.240 but I went back and refreshed myself on several of 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.640 the things. First of all, the sheer volume of times 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.080 this story has been told that the Life after contact 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.800 surprised me. I knew it had been told a couple 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:56.040 of times, we have talked about this just in our 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.720 personal lives before. But I also was starting to get 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.400 all the the details blurred together when I was trying 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:06.039 to keep track of one movie versus a TV show. Okay, wait, 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.240 so this one was the Resistance called this, but then 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.480 this one that was called this, and this one they 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.240 were successful, and this one they weren't. To forgive me. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.200 If I get a bunch of stuff mixed out, I 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.479 think I've got it straight. But there's a lot of 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:20.560 plates to spin, and it's spinning. 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.000 Listen, I'm just going to give people a little some 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:25.839 things to think about as we go into our first 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.920 break here. One of the reasons that this is a 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.480 popular thing is that it allows writers to comment on 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:37.120 humans by virtue of the mirror of the aliens. So 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.160 a great example of that of course would be District nine, 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.880 which talks about apartheid and alienation, which I mentioned talks 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:48.560 about immigration. They're both the same coin, but the different 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.400 sides of it. And then V of course was talking 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:55.159 about fascism and colony, which we'll talk about the TV 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.760 series that's really talking about occupation. It's like the French 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.839 resistance thing. And the film that we probably Bulchosa I 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.960 was Captive State, which is that colonial exploitation. And then 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.080 of course the big one that's hot right now is 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.720 the conformity of pluribus. So yes, a lot of thanks 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.080 for us to talk about. We're just getting started, so 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.000 stay with us. We'll talk about it. On the other 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:16.440 side of. 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:37.720 This, I'm Brent Friedman. Years ago, a family friend who 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.159 became a cabinet member in the Reagan administration just closed 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.640 to me that aliens are real, they're here, and he'd 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.479 seen them. I'm Bryce's Abel. 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.640 Later, when we were producing Dark Skies, an NBCTV series 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.760 about an alien invasion, we were approached by men who 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.680 said they were from the Office of Naval Intelligence and 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:00.840 they wanted to give us inside information in exchange for as. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.719 To our show. We didn't take that deal, but we 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.520 have never stopped thinking about it. 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.400 That's why we do this podcast. We're working out ideas 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:14.800 in real time about how Hollywood is portrayed aliens and why. 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:18.440 Every episode is different because there are so many questions. 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.560 We're looking for answers. It's an active investigation. Let's do 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:22.200 this together. 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.960 So before we jump into our slate of movies and 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.280 series today, I just want to mention that we have 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:58.200 already talked about movies that are based on life after contact. 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.200 They were a little bit more hostile, talked about Independence Day, 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.000 we talked about Mars attacks, and later we're going to 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.720 be talking about movies that are a little more subversive, 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.360 like Invasion of the Body Snatchers or they Live where 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.720 contact hasn't really happened, but the invasion has begun. So 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.000 there's a lot of different wrinkles on this. But I 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.920 think right now let's jump into our first TV series. 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.360 It was from Apple. It was a series called Invasion, 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.720 and it's basically about an alien attack on Earth that's 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.560 going to be a common refrain, but from the perspectives 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:35.199 of ordinary citizens that are scattered across multiple continents, and 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.520 all of these distinct characters are really trying to make 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:42.640 sense of what's happened and survive in the chaos you've got. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.640 I'm not going to get into all the characters' names, 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.720 by the way, because I think Bryce you can agree. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.920 If we think about all the characters' names we're going 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.720 to mention in this show, it would be overwhelming. So 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:56.599 we've got a mother who's discovered a powerful alien artifact 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.719 and she's dealing with her husband's infidelity. We've got a 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.840 calm specialist who's grieving the loss of her astronomer astronaut 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:07.600 lover while investigating the extraterrestrial signal, and so you can 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.880 see a theme coming up here. We've got a Navy 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.160 seal whose squad is ambushed by the invaders and killed, 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.079 leaving him to fight to try and return to his family. 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.880 And then finally, a British schoolboy who begins experiencing terrifying 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.480 visions and develops a mysterious psychic connection to the alien 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.319 hive mind. So this is really a story where everyone 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.880 has a personal problem or backstory or baggage that they're 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:31.959 trying to work through while they're also trying to make 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.079 sense with the alien storyline. 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.560 As you mentioned, it's Apple TV that has this, and 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.839 I know they've done three seasons. I've seen every episode. 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.880 A good friend of mine, director Sylvan White, has directed 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:48.600 multiple episodes. It's got a great pedigree, no issue about that. 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.880 I'll just admit something that most people who have seen 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.440 it would say anyway, and that the critics have said 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.200 the first season seemed incredibly slow to people. It's just 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.400 for to get places. To the average person, I was 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.760 willing to cut it a lot of slack because I 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.160 really felt, obviously, people have dropped a lot of money 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.360 on this thing, and people have spent a lot of 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.400 time thinking about it. The execution is beautiful, and it's 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.840 interesting to me because with season two and with season three, 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.920 with each one, the alien invasion part gets a little 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:23.559 more authentic and real. The aliens are more front and center, 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.199 and it felt to me like somebody in the executive 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.360 offices had a note saying, come on, let's get to it, folks. 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.040 I do think it is interesting, though it's probably the 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.720 thinking man's invasion piece. It's not for the popcorn crowd 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.680 like say V might be or something like that. It's 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.320 got big thoughts and big ideas it wants to lay 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.160 out there, and there's nothing simple about it. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:46.320 Now. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.079 It is interesting, as many of these things do print, 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.199 this one has a hive mind at work. Bren and 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.280 I are not claiming, folks that we have invented hive 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.079 minds for aliens or anything, but we did have a 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.560 hive mind. We actually called that the hive in Dark 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:06.040 Skies in our nineties show, and it seems like everybody's 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.440 calling it the hive these days. That must be the thing. 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.920 It's a hive in pluribus, which we'll get to you later. 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:12.680 A lot of hiving going on out there. 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.520 Why do you suppose that is? Why is that so 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.920 attractive to everybody? It's a great question, if I'm being honest, 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.520 it's probably when they sat down to make invasion, they said, 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.520 what has been done recently and what's what feels fresh. 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.040 No one's really done a hive mind recently. Let's do 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.079 that because I think it's hard, as we're going to 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.400 see when we go through these projects, that it's hard 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.000 to do something unique. The story has been told so 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.720 many times. This is a story that, as you're going 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:44.280 to see, has a human resistance that organizes against the aliens. 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.319 The aliens are here to terraform and reshape the earth 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:53.960 for themselves another common theme, and so I think what 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.320 I got the sense was their whole thing was let's 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:00.480 change the perspective that, let's make that unique. It be 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.720 four different stories across the globe, so you're really experiencing 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.280 this from four unique points of view, and how do 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.079 all these characters relate and what's going to happen? And 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.880 so I think that it was more of the structural 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.920 narrative that they came up with that is unique, because 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.960 a lot of the elements are things you've heard and 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:18.559 seen before. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.760 I have a thing not specific to Invasion, which again 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.000 is a series I've come to like more as I 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.760 watch more of it. Not a put down, just saying 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.199 it rewards you, kind of sticking with it a little bit. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.320 But I have a theory about the hive mind thing 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.640 I mentioned earlier how a lot of these sort of 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.640 post contact things give writers like ourselves a chance to 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:46.240 comment on humanity by through the eyes and the mirror 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.560 of the aliens. I think the hive is exactly what 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.080 that's about. And I think it applies to why we 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.360 even did the Hive, which is, if there's an alien 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:56.520 hive mind, what does that do? 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:57.559 First of all for us. 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.320 It showed off the communist thing we were doing the 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.680 nineteen sixties during the military Old War well and a 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.920 lot of American military planners saw the Soviets. It's just 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:07.880 they're just a hive. 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.640 They think is one, they act as one. 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.920 The other thing, though, is that if you have an enemy, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.040 if you will, of aliens that have a hive mind, 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.160 what that does is it shows what we have that 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.520 makes us different and in some cases wonderful, which is 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.880 we may think a lot of weird things, and we 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.760 may not be perfect, but we think for ourselves. Yes, 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.600 now that may be one of our faults. And to 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.400 an alien, they may say, the problem with these humans 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.079 is they can't get their act together because they all 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:41.880 think differently. 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.720 Yes, right, yep, I think so. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.280 I think that's kind of my how I would go 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.160 with that, And not that there's any as they say, 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:51.719 not that there's anything wrong with that. 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:53.200 It's a good show, yep. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.920 Now, by the way, though, if let's move on from Invasion, 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.000 give it the light touch there, because again the problem 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:04.080 with certain shows is you and I may think to ourselves, wow, 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:08.080 it's on Apple, so wow, everybody's watching it. The truth 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:12.560 is Apple, while a very great platform, doesn't have that 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.080 many people watching it. Most people don't buy Apple and 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.360 watch it. A lot of people that are listening to 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.080 this are going, now, what's it called. It's called invasion again, 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:21.720 that sounds. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:22.840 A little generic or whatever. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:28.000 And in contrast, for example, another one where the invasion 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.440 is happening now and humans are fighting against it is 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:36.520 Falling Skies. Yes, Now, Falling Skies is something that I 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.280 believe it was on T and T, but a lot 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.720 of people saw it. It came from Steven Spielberg, and 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:46.200 it had Noah Wiley, as you said earlier, bravely standing 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.760 up for the resistance. And he was a school teacher 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.200 who picked up a gun and said to my job 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.240 is I got to fight off this alien attack. And 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:58.600 before we get into the show, I will just say 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.520 I had a really great moment last year on the 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.160 red carpet at the Emmys because I saw Noah Wiley, 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.960 who went on to win his first Emmy, I think, 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.960 as Best Actor for the Pit And I don't think 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.480 too many people last year were reminding him about how 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.800 much they enjoyed watching him in Falling Sky's fighting aliens. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.400 But that's something I got to do. And I think 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.320 he did years of that show and he was great 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.320 at it. And in fact, it goes to show that 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.480 sometimes a series can really be elevated just by having 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.760 one really incredible quality actor who holds it all together, 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.840 and he certainly did with that. But the concept of it, though, 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.840 It'll leave to you what tell people what this is 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:38.360 all about. 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:43.120 This is an alien race called the s Fenny I believe. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.120 I think you got that invaded Earth to extract resources, 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:52.480 enslave humanity, and basically create a frontline military units because 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.360 they are actually and this is an interesting twist, they're 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:00.320 trying to secure a strategic stronghold for an on going 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:05.400 intergalactic war that they are entangled in. So using Earth 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.640 as a staging ground is an interesting new take. So 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:12.360 of course, there is a resistance movement and it's basically 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.680 a primary group of civilian and military survivors that we 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.560 focus on in the Boston area, and it's led by 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.960 a military captain and i'll say played by Will Patten. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.960 And that resistance that's happening there is part of a 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.520 larger growing resistance across the planet, where we come to believe. 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.400 And then what's interesting I found is that It wasn't 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.400 a military fighting back. It was much more ground warfare. 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.960 It was guerrilla warfare on the part of the humans 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:43.840 fighting pretty much overpowered aliens, stealing their technology when they 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.680 could to try and level up. It was a fun series. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.720 It felt a lot more action oriented, certainly than Invasion. 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.040 It seemed like it was geared towards, frankly, a different audience. 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:55.560 It was fun. 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.040 I remember thinking to myself, I don't really need to 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:02.120 see every episode, and yet I did because I'm go oh, 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.159 Falling Skys it on. I think I'll watch that, because 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.240 I had it on the DVR and it would Oh, 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.880 I think I'll watch Falling Skies because it just felt comfortable. 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:15.199 It was broadcast television, it was comfortable to watch, and 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.280 because it had the aliens in it. This is a 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.840 show that is not about coexistence. We are going to 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.840 get into the coexistence model, but this ain't it. This 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.479 is the one where humanity is allowed to remain on 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.520 their own planet simply as raw material, whether it be 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:36.159 labor or biological inventory. The aliens do not want to 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.640 negotiate with us. That's the only thing I could say. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.800 They're not here to have a conversation They're not here 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:43.879 to make a deal, as Trump is trying to do 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.560 with the Iranians. No deals are on the table with 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.040 these people, and their model of conquest has a lot 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.600 of different aspects to it, and I hope this never 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:54.680 happens to the Earth, to be honest with you, because 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:58.600 it's the same model as Independence Day, which is overwhelming 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:03.320 military black of symmetry. It's just it's an asymmetrical thing. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.639 It's like for us to do it. We are the 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.720 scrappy guys because they got us beat technologically. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:10.960 But the other thing. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.680 They do is they destroy our human institutions. It isn't 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.960 just that they want to defeat us. They don't want 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.760 us being human any correct, okay, which I think is 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:27.520 really scary. Biological control. They're taking some of these usually kids, 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:32.160 and they're turning them into slave laborers by attaching some 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.399 weird alien thing to their back which I can't remember 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.480 the name, but that means child conscription, which is not 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.119 a good thing. But the defining thing about it is 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:48.200 the gorilla resistance. Now, I have to say, probably if 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:52.160 the Earth is ever unlucky enough to be trashed by 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:56.240 an alien species that comes here bent on domination, probably 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.680 plucky Gorilla warfare. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:02.360 Isn't going to win the day for us, probably not right. Yeah, 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.440 it makes for a good TV series, but in terms 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:10.600 of being realistic or believable, hard to imagine. As you 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.200 pointed out, it's not just that they are technologically superior 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:18.760 to us. It's that they have no morality whatsoever. They 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:23.239 are conscripting kids, they're using kids as human shields. In 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:27.080 some cases the kids are being turned into some these 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.760 mutants that are called skidders. It's pretty dark and it's 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.359 pretty grim, and if they're willing to do all of that, 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.800 like how do we combat that? It's pretty It's intense. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:42.000 It isn't just us against them. It's not like humans here, 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:47.679 aliens here fight. It's more complex, and to my mind 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:51.439 that if anything, is this card being laid down that 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.400 defines what might be happening here on Earth right now, 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:58.200 because a lot of people in UFO circles who are 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:03.480 major sources say it ain't just one and in fact, 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.439 they're talking four and five different species. One of the 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:10.239 things that I found very interesting about Falling Skies is 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:15.560 the s Finny isoud that's the bad guys, or there's 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.560 a group of good guys who show up to help. 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.560 And that's interesting because I thought it did mirror what 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.480 we did in Dark Skys. We basically said, we thought 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:26.800 that we were at war with the Grays, but it 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.399 turned out that the thing that was inside the human 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.240 head that was being taken over was also inside a 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.560 gray head, and that the Grays were a species that 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.639 had been sublimated, so they also wanted to fight the 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:41.000 high right, So there, maybe we'll get lucky if we 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.520 ever get invaded, and maybe we'll have somebody on our team, 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:46.720 which would be pretty wonderful. 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.080 No, just one last thing to point out. We had 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.719 a guest on just recently, Todd Masters, who did all 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:55.720 of the alien effects for Falling Skys, so it was 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.680 fun to go back and watch again his master work 0:20:58.720 --> 0:20:59.119 as it were. 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.119 In fact, started talking about the guys that came to 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.680 help out, and I can't remember the name of the actor, 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:05.840 but it's tall English. 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:10.119 It's Doug Jones. Doug Jones, Yes, playing co cheese or 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:14.840 co cheese, co cheese, and he's tall and he I 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.720 must say, they let him speak in his own accent. 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:22.480 So he's this this other group that's here to help. 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.760 This sounds like the Brits have come. The British are coming. 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:28.440 The British are coming, only this time they're on our side. 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:31.959 But yes, I do think it looked very good. It 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:33.919 was a good looking show. Why don't you take us 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:38.440 into the next category, which is going to be the occupation, collaboration, 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:42.360 resistance that we're not in a hot war anymore. 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.280 Right, here's the post contact thing. And there are three 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.040 things that we highlighted here. One of them is there 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.440 is V, which I think we should talk about first, 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:55.400 because what's interesting about V is it really has had 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.919 a life. V tells the story. It's a franchise, by 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:02.639 the way, no question, and in its original form, it 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:05.960 came out in the eighties as a mini series and 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:10.479 it just took the viewing population by storm. And I 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:14.520 remember watching it and there is a shocking moment in it, 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.439