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Former NFL scout John middlecough buddy 21 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: of mine called me today asked how I was doing. 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: I said, I had a podcast with John Middlecoffee said 23 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: that guy works, man, he's that guy is constantly working. 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 2: And I said, well, I haven't talked to him in 25 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 2: a month, so now's a good time, you know. I 26 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: had Denny Parkins on a real talented kid from Chicago, 27 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: and I said, I think the Bears are going to 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: be really good. I think the division offensively is a 29 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: really good division with really good coaching and really good 30 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: O lines. I said. The only thing that will screw 31 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: it up is a distraction, and then they get hard knocks. 32 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: I thought, oh god, all these couples that have cameras 33 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: in their houses, they all get divorced, you know, just 34 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: it's the end of times. How I mean, I guess 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: in the league nobody wants it. How are people now 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: used to it? Your sources are they used to it? 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: Kind of now? I said this on the podcast last 38 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: week Forever right, you know, especially when the series started, 39 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: it was pretty intrusive. Humans weren't used to being followed 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: around by cameras in two thousand and two. Right now, 41 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: everywhere you go someone has a camera phone out talking 42 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: to themselves. I actually think these guys are pretty numb 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: to it. Think how long Caleb william has been used 44 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: to cameras pointed at him, press conferences, the Way his 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: Life is, podcast, you name it. I think it's never 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: It's less intrusive now than ever because of how numb 47 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: these guys are to cameras. Now, I think some of 48 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: the hoopla around it is not ideal. But let's face it, 49 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: colin the authenticity of the mid two thousands. You remember 50 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: when you would have the inside of the coaches and 51 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: gms talking about cutting players and this guy sucks and 52 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: we don't get that anymore. So that that got thrown out. 53 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: Really hard knocks isn't for me anymore, right, It just 54 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: really isn't. I think it's a pretty watered down version, 55 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: but I get it. It's popular, but I don't think 56 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: it phases the player specifically, maybe the coaches. That can 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: be a little unnerving having a camera look at you, 58 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: knowing that, but you get to control what comes out, right. 59 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: The teams have final cut. It's like state run media. Yeah, 60 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: so I don't think it's a big deal at all anymore. 61 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: I think there's two stories in the NFL that are 62 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: real obvious ones, one of them being you know Matt Eberfluse, 63 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: and you know the downside to a Even if you 64 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: have a good defensive coach, they generally don't have as 65 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: good at connections to offensive coordinators as a McVeigh, you know, 66 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: as a Shanahan and Andy Reid, Sean Payton, those guys 67 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: are pretty dialed in. So that's the first thing. The 68 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: second thing is if you do hit on a really 69 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: good offensive coordinator and he's good, Ben Johnson's an outlier. 70 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: They take gigs and leave in two years and then 71 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: you have to hit another one. Sean McDermott hit on 72 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: Brian Dable. He didn't have success with the next hires. 73 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: And that's very common among defensive coaches. I mean, Mike 74 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: Tomlins hit on some, missed on some badly. Pete Carroll, 75 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: same thing. So when I look at eberflues Is, I 76 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: don't think he's a bad coach. I always say, if 77 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 2: you can, if you can show me that you know 78 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: your side of the ball. Well, the Bear's defense in 79 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: the last seven eight weeks was really good. They have 80 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: a good corner Montese sweat, but they don't have great 81 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: personnel up front, so I'm interested. I think Eber Flu's 82 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: changed his look like I think he kind of got. 83 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: He got a stylist heat colored his hair. Yeah, he's got. 84 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: He understands it's a big city, a lot of people watching. 85 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: I don't want to look like a fruntpy old defensive 86 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: coach if you had to wager he gets through the year. 87 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 2: Kind of where do you land on Eberflus? 88 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not as confident as some that they're going 89 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. I think they could be good 90 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: and win eight now games and Miss, I mean their 91 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: division is a mother Yeah, I mean Detroit's bringing everyone back, 92 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: including the coaches. I think everyone. You'd be crazy to 93 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: not be high on Green Bay if that quarterback continues 94 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: to play like this. Their new defensive coordinator, Jeff Affley. 95 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: So to me, if they miss the playoffs, you could 96 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: argue it's unfair Eberflu should get two years to kind 97 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: of show what he can do with this young team. 98 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: But that's not the way it's gonna work, right if 99 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: they go eight and if they go what would it 100 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: be eight to nine or nine to eight? And Miss, 101 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: I could just see because the pressure and the hype 102 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: on this team. But I'm not as confident they're going 103 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: to be a playoff team, and a big reason is 104 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: because their division help. If Minnesota is the worst team 105 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: in your division, I mean, that's not an easy team 106 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: to play, right. So they got an excellent coach, they 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: got a lot of firepower, and I understand the pushback 108 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: would be while the Bears could have easily beat the 109 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions multiple times last year, I'm not saying they're bad. 110 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: It's just I think the hype on the quarterback big 111 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: picture totally behind it. He can be a high end player. 112 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: Most guys don't come into the league and look like CJ. 113 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: Strad right. I mean, it's usually there are some growing pains, 114 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: especially because the transition that he's going to have to have. 115 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: The way he played last year in college is not 116 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: going to translate. They're not going to have him do 117 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: that in theory. So and if he gets some back 118 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: some of those kind of hero ball habits, you're playing 119 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: NFL players. You're not playing Arizona anymore. And they were 120 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: struggling to beat Arizona last year. Now the Bears defense 121 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: is better. Offensively, they have firepower, but like you said, 122 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: I think the pressure on this coach. You don't make 123 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: the playoffs. You could have a really successful year. Yeah, 124 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: I think you can still get fired. 125 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one. Even the good quarterbacks Peyton Manning 126 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: Andrew Luck threw a lot of picks early. That's just 127 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: that's the reality of it. I think the second thing, 128 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 2: the one thing that I think Caleb gets a break. 129 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 2: There's not really a great pass rush in that division. 130 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: In fact, the Bears at times didn't have a great one, 131 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: but Montez sweats great. Packers have been looking for a 132 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: great pass rush for a decade. Minnesota upgraded on some 133 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: b guys, not a guys. Detroit Hutchison's excellent about eleven 134 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: sacks last year, but their corners are weak. There's not 135 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: a dominating defense in this division. It's offensive coaches. So 136 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: I do think he's gonna come in. I mean, if 137 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: you head to the AFC North and you're getting Miles 138 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: Garrett in the Ravens culture, that's a whole different ballgame. 139 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 140 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: I've said this justin Fields won seven. My guess is 141 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: Chicago wins eight, but looks significantly better. 142 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And there's a chance he could 143 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,559 Speaker 1: have a really good rookie season and be the third 144 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: best quarterback in his own division. If Jared Goff replicates 145 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: what he's been doing the last couple of years, he's 146 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: going to be a pro Bowl level guy. Jordan Love, 147 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: there's some there's a question mark there. We have an 148 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: eight game sample size of high level. But if he 149 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: carries that over, there's a decent chance. Kayleb Williams could 150 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: throw twenty four touchdowns in twelve pick yep. We all 151 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: view him like a transcending or the trajectory's pointing high 152 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: and go. He was the third best quarterback in his division. 153 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: And they're the third place team in the division. They 154 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: missed the playoffs because there's not unlimited amount of spots, right, 155 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: the Niners, the Rams, the Lions, the Packers. You start 156 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: doing the math. Atlanta should be better. The Saints were 157 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: nine to eight last year and they had a terrible offense. 158 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: Now they bring Kubiak's kid. The Eagles are gonna be good. 159 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,559 Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys, even if they take a step 160 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: back from twelve, there'll be in that eight to nine range. 161 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: So it's just difficult. 162 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: Well, if sports fans don't like to be wrong, and 163 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: there's a lot of people who are proven wrong on 164 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: Justin Fields, So just get ready for it. You have 165 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: to watch things you can't just your life can't be 166 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: just about the result, you know, you have to contextualize everything. 167 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: I don't think there's any question Caleb Williams is several 168 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: notches better than Justin Fields, like several notches better. I mean, 169 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: if you read the riding on the wall and we 170 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: both have enough sources, I mean, Caleb's not gonna have 171 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: problems find open receivers. That was a real issue for Justin. 172 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: There was like Zach Wilson, there are guys all over 173 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: the field open, he just couldn't find them. So people 174 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: are going to want to be right the Justin Fields fans. 175 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 2: But I think the league spoke when he went for 176 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 2: a six round pick, and I think very quickly you're 177 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: going to see the calebs just different. 178 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: So for sure, and to me, the offensive weaponry that 179 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: they have for yeah, we've talked about this before. It's 180 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: a pretty easy landing zone for a young quarterback with 181 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: that many wide receivers. 182 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: Here's a second thing. And I'm always trying to be 183 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: somewhat delicate with Aaron Rodgers because I'm viewed as anti Aaron. 184 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: But last year sixty quarterbacks played in the league. And 185 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: if I just said to you said, forget the teams 186 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: and the names, forty year old quarterback oft an achilles 187 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: surgery with a makeshift, old and really young offensive line 188 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 2: in a better conference, does that scream the quarterback plays 189 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: seventeen games? I think lost in this this Jets improvement 190 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: and people love their roster is Hey, they're a Breece 191 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: Hall injury from being a have to pass offense, have 192 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 2: to pass. And now the good news, they shouldn't be 193 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: in shootouts. Aaron shouldn't be forced to throw forty four 194 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: times a game. But they got one back. And I 195 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: tend to believe that championship teams are built when you 196 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 2: have your seven to eight best players all in their prime. 197 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: Like Detroit right now, Jared's in his prime. Hutchison moved 198 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: into it. That running back may be into it now, 199 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: Amaran Saint Brown, Panay Seouel, You're getting a lot of 200 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: now Laporta. They're all like moving into their prime. And 201 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: you start looking at Green Bay and it's like, I 202 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 2: guess Breece probably is. Garrett Wilson still raw a lot 203 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: of their defensive talent. Sauce Gardner's probably moving into it, 204 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: but they got a lot of guys that aren't there 205 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: or were never there. I PFF last week had the 206 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 2: Kansas City roster number two, and I was like, they're 207 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: bad at tackling. Don't I have a number one receiver. 208 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. 209 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: It's not the second best roster of the league. I 210 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: look at the Jets and I just keep saying, if 211 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 2: you gave me over under fifteen games on Aaron, I'd 212 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: bet the under. I'd be like fourteen. 213 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: Did you see the clip last week of him scrambling 214 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: to his right, yeah, and kind of limping. Yeah. And 215 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: whether you tell me it's blister prevention or whatever, that 216 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: has to be pretty concerning because I will say this 217 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: last year at this time, and remember he dealt with 218 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: a calf a little in OTAs. But when you saw 219 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: him move around and he was healthy, he looks somewhat spry. 220 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: He's forty years old, and we have I would say, 221 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: pretty recent data of some legendary guys falling off a 222 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: cliff Matt Ryan for all different Matt Ryan, and I 223 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: would put him on the lower end of these players. 224 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Ben or Roethlisberger most of my life. 225 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: When I was a kid in the nineties, guys got 226 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: to like thirty five in all pro sports and were done, 227 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: and then Brady kind of changed it. Lebron kind of 228 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: changed it. Most people fall off, Hey, Russell will and 229 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: that's what I'm kind of expecting. Yeah, and he's that's crazy. 230 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: But he's not quite as quick anymore. He's not quite 231 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: the athlete. Why he's thirty four, he's not twenty six. 232 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: Aaron's forty forty. And part of the reasons he's older, right, 233 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: because played several years in college red shirted, gray shirted 234 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: in the pros, didn't play for a while, so he's 235 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: actually older, even though he hasn't been playing technically as 236 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: long as some of those guys like Peyton Manning when 237 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: he was forty. But I think there's a very good 238 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: chance if you just base it up the history of sports, 239 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: it usually ends poorly. Usually don't do John Elway. This 240 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: one's for John, especially with the Jets, right, I mean, 241 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator is not any good. That's right, He's 242 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: just not. I mean, most teams in the league laugh 243 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: at that situation. And he's there for one reason and 244 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: one reason only, which I'm for the coach and the 245 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: quarterback having a good relationship. That's how you and your 246 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: producers have good relate Like there's it should be healthy 247 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: if the guy is good at his job. Josh McDaniel's 248 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: pay and Tom Brady made a lot of sense Kyle 249 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: in his quarterbacks for Sean McVay and Matt Stafford. This one, 250 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: this guy's just not viewed as good enough. And last 251 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: year when Aaron left, it was an abomination and these 252 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: stories because of the organization. What if they start slow now, 253 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: I actually think they have an opportunity. I don't think 254 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: their schedule is that hard early after it's. 255 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: A weird schedule. Well, it's a lot of night games 256 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: in short weeks. 257 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: They're just gonna be covered like the Lakers or the Yankees, 258 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: and we know things get weird with that franchise. And 259 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: even if it's all about football, none of the other 260 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: extracurricular stuff. If it's weird on offense, they're just gonna 261 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: point at the quarterback and the offensive coordinator, and then 262 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: the head coach is gonna be up there like saying, 263 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: who knows what? It could snowball into weirdness really quick 264 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: and like Aaron said, if I don't perform, we're all 265 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: getting fired. That's what's on the line here. 266 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the schedule. I think it's it's viewed 267 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: as easy, and we have to be honest. Seven teams 268 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: that made the playoffs won't seven new ones. 269 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: Will. 270 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: You gotta be careful about look it, you know, looking 271 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: at last year. Yet, like I mean to me, the 272 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 2: Colts and Washington could be I mean, the Colts won 273 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 2: nine games with Gardner Minshew. I mean Anthony Richardson when 274 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 2: he was playing was jaw dropping. 275 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: If they won eleven, they were a drop pass from 276 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: winning that division. 277 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: Last YEP and Washington I contend they're going to be 278 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: probably the most improved NFC team. So you start looking 279 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: at these teams. I did something the other day where 280 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: since the league expanded to fourteen playoff teams, six point 281 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: eight or seven new teams make it every year. And 282 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: I went through a list of teams. Some are obvious Atlanta, 283 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: big quarterback upgrade, Chargers, big coaching upgrade, Cincinnati Burrough plays. 284 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: I think Colts are really interesting. They're my surprise team 285 00:14:52,160 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: potentially in the league. I thought last week was really interesting. 286 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: So Miami signs Jayalen Waddle to a massive deal with 287 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill already signing a stupendous contract. Okay, what are 288 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: we saying here? So if Tua just signs the tenth 289 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: biggest contract, that's Josh Allen. Now, who'll get an extension 290 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: to raise? They're one hundred and five million guy, one 291 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: hundred and five million bucks. I think something close to 292 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: that on three dudes, all on offense. Not a pass rusher, 293 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: not a corner, not an interior defensive lineman, not an 294 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: offensive tackle, two receivers in a quarterback. So I almost wondered, was. 295 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: Miami small guys too? 296 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: Was Miami saying, listen, we're making our bet. We're just 297 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: not going to have This is our way of telling 298 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: you you're not getting fifty five million dollars. We're just 299 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: not going to give you that. Because I don't know. 300 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: I know Dak has market. I've talked to two gms 301 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: who have told. 302 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: Me the Raiders would sign him yesterday yesterday. 303 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: And I think very quickly, you know, if the Drake 304 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: May thing looks awful, they'd sniff at it. I mean 305 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: New Orleans with Derek Carr. I don't think they're in 306 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: lot Giants Daniel Jones. What is too his market? 307 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it would be that good. But he's 308 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: not my type player. But we also know when you 309 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: hit free agency at that position, people overspend. But who 310 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: is giving two one hundred and fifty million dollars on 311 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: the open market? Who is I can't see. Did you 312 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: see the picture of him at the charity event? He 313 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: looked like he was on ozembic. He looks tiny, He 314 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: looks really really skinny. Yeah. I'm not into small guys 315 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: who aren't great athletes with average arms. It's not really 316 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: my style. I mean, I like my quarterbacks to be 317 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: a little bigger, a little more mobile with howitzers. Yeah, 318 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: but because when you look at to in theory, he 319 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: should be this kind of mobile little guy. But he 320 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: is much closer to Jared Goff the way he plays. 321 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: I've said it over and over. Well, here's what Dak 322 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: does has proven. Now he's given me three straight years 323 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: of twelve wins. Do I want to give him fifty 324 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: plus million dollars? I do not. Is there an opportunity 325 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: that if he gets hot one postseason, they could win 326 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: a couple games like an Eli Manning situation. I don't 327 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: believe too as that capability. Yeah, one, what we witnessed 328 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: last year. I mean, if this was like the ND 329 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: five hundred, they were up like several laps, the Bills 330 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: were leaking oil. They were six and six. Then the 331 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: season ends, they win the division and they're hosting playoff 332 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: games and Miami has to go on the road. And 333 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: even when I saw Vech at the Combine, He's like, 334 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: I've been in the NFL a long time. That was 335 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: the coldest game I've ever stood on the field for 336 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: when he played the Chiefs. And we felt pretty good 337 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: about our chances because we knew that offense couldn't function 338 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: in the freezing court, right, But they wouldn't have had 339 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: a chance in a cold weather game against Baltimore, against 340 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: any of these teams. Yeah, So part of it is 341 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: the AFC. If you spend two, if you spend all 342 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: this money on to it, because at the end of 343 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: the they could dak. It hasn't gone well these last 344 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: three years. But beat a party. Beat sure. You know 345 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: a Jared Goff if he plays right, how is Tua 346 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: ever gonna outplay Patrick mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Herbert Now with Harbaugh, 347 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: Josh Allen it's not happening. It doesn't mean he's not 348 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: a solid NFL starter. But once you start talking about 349 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: the money, this is not baseball. You don't have an 350 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: unlimited on of cap space. Tyreek Hill, he's one of 351 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: the greatest players I've ever seen. No problem investing Jayleen Wattle. 352 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: You draft him high. He's a productive player. I get 353 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: it too, Like, why can't we just play this out? 354 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: Why does every quarterback have to get in it? Jared 355 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: Goff proved last year. He went toe to toe with 356 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford in the playoff game. He won the second 357 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: playoff game against Baker Mayfield. He was great against the 358 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: forty nine ers, Like they have tangible evidence now in 359 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: the playoffs, let alone the regular season now for a 360 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: year and a half, where's that evidence against Tua? Like, yeah, 361 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: he plays well in October. Well, you're in the AFC 362 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: where most of these teams come November and December. I 363 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: looked at their schedule whenever the schedules came out, they 364 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: have three or four games post You know, Hall of 365 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: get a little cold, Colin get a little cold. What 366 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: if you can't do it this year, If you can't 367 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: win the division and host a playoff game, which they 368 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: would have to do to have success in the playoffs 369 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: because of their climate. What's the point of extending them 370 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: just to say you have a quarterback? 371 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 2: Well, and last year, you know, I've said this. Last 372 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: year in the AFC, it was the year Aaron gets hurt, 373 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: Bill starts slowly, Burrow gets hurt, Deshaun and Cleveland are 374 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: a head scratching mess. Anthony Richards had hurt. C J. 375 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: Stroud's only a rookie. Trevor law ran and Staley with 376 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 2: the Chargers, and Trevor Lawrence injured every part of his 377 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: lower Torso like in the last eight weeks, it was 378 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: the year and they didn't do it. So Aaron's back, 379 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: Jets have another draft. Buffalo's not starting six and six. 380 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: You know, let me let me speak in the buffle. 381 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw a theory at you that and this 382 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: is especially true with young ger quarterbacks. Four years and 383 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 2: then is that I've said this, something can be really 384 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: important in your life, but overrated. A big house. A 385 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: house is nice. A bigger house is not necessarily bigger mortgage, 386 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: more cleaning, bigger yard, like you. My wife and I 387 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: talk about this like locations. So much more important than 388 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: size of house. Like we'll just just give us a 389 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 2: good location. We'll add a bedroom. We'll figure out and make, 390 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: you know, create another place to go to the bathroom. 391 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: Use the same three rooms every day. That's right. You 392 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: know there's a lot of rooms don't even touch. 393 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: So I used to call wide receivers icing on the cake, 394 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 2: never the cake. The cake was a left tackle, the 395 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 2: pass rusher, the quarterback, the head coach. And then I 396 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 2: had to about six seven years ago acknowledge the rules 397 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: have changed. They're part of the cake. But I don't 398 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: necessarily love dominant number one receivers. Patriots with Randy Moss 399 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: was a great example where you almost felt like you 400 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: had to throw to him, and don't. I don't think 401 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 2: losing Stefan Diggs. If the kid out of Florida State 402 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 2: can play, they have two excellent tight ends. They finally 403 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: found a running back, Josh Is in his athletic prime. 404 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 2: I think I think we're in a little bit of 405 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 2: a wide receiver bubble thirty million for a receiver if 406 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: you don't have the quarterback. We've always said quarterbacks make 407 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: the rice. Even Larry Fitzgerald had off years without great 408 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: quarterbacks Carson Palmer big year, Kurt Warner big year. So 409 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: I look at Buffalo and I think there's this feeling that, 410 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: you know, watch out, it's a free fall. I don't 411 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: feel like it. I really don't. 412 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be really good. I mean it's 413 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: part of my two of you know, where I land 414 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: on that situation is like, I don't think you're any 415 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: closer to catching them. And it starts with Josh Allen. 416 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: When's the last time he had a wide receiver like 417 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: the guy they just draftedim from Florida State, A big body, 418 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: high point guy. He's a basketball player. So Stefan Diggs won. 419 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: Like a lot of wide receivers, their person can change 420 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: on a daily basis, and it was clearly driving them nuts. 421 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: And then the play was started to like a lot 422 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: of older players he's played at high level, was no 423 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: longer at the same level. So it was probably a 424 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: pretty easy move for them to make. And then they 425 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: get the wide receiver one that is just going to 426 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: translate to cold weather, right, He's not predicated on speed, 427 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: So I'm with you. I mean, they've won this division 428 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: four straight years. They're the new Patriots in the division 429 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: in terms of the dominance, obviously not the same playoff success. 430 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: The other thing is when you have an all time 431 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: great quarterback. I mean that's what I think. Josh Allen 432 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: is going to go down as one of the great 433 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: quarterbacks of my life. They make wide receivers ideally, you 434 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: would love to have Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne like 435 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: Peyton benefited. He was a great player, and they also 436 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: did a great job because Bill Polly is an all 437 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: time great exec. Tom Brady won a lot of games 438 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: with Julian Edelmans and Danny Ammadolas, So if you can 439 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: find a sweet spot somewhere in the middle, you don't 440 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: need to have. Look at the Packers. I love Devontae Adams. 441 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: I'd want them on my team every day of the week. 442 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: If they get rid of him, he goes to the Raiders. 443 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: They haven't won at all. He's still a great player, 444 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: but now he's kind of useless because their quarterback situation sucks. 445 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: In the Packers boom last year. Kick the shit out 446 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: of the Packer or the Cowboys in the playoff game, 447 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 1: and it looks like all we talk about is they 448 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: have one of the best young wide receiver rooms in 449 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: the league. So I think when I saw the story 450 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: about would they trade Justin Jefferson right the Minnesota Vikings, Well, 451 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: if i'd get two ones and two twos and allocate 452 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: my resources differently, i'd be a no brainer than paying him. 453 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: And we all acknowledge one of the great non quarterbacks 454 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: in the NFL. But this is it's a pretty easy 455 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: math equations. Especially I already got Jordan Addison, I got 456 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: an offensive coach, Like, yeah, I wouldn't just trade him 457 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: for a second round pick. But if you're gonna give 458 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: me three ones, here, take them. You give them the contract. 459 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: But I think there's a reason a lot of smart 460 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: teams now go that's not worth it to us giving 461 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: up all these ones and then having to allocate the resources. 462 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: So it's we've kind of seen less and less of 463 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: those massive trades since the DeVante and the Tyreek, because 464 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: why don't I just draft a guy in the twenties 465 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: like the Baltimore Ravens last year. I get Zave Flowers 466 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: and he's on a cost controlled contract that pays him 467 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: three or four million dollars a year, right, and I 468 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: get to keep my assets. 469 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, if you if you look at 470 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 2: the greatest example is Kansas City that took a touchdown 471 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: machine in Tyreek Hill, and they have won back to 472 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 2: back Super Bowls without him, and Miami's going no further 473 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 2: with him. And you know, the other thing you have 474 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 2: to acknowledge is football is different in December and January. 475 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: You just don't throw the ball as deep as often. 476 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 2: You just don't, you know, you. 477 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: Don't throw the ball deep that often in general, Like 478 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: there aren't go routes every other series, Right, That's not 479 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: the way football, even though it kind of feels that way. 480 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: A lot of explosive plays nowadays, right, happen around the 481 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage because you have so many guys with 482 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: so much speed. Break Deebo Samuels had a ton of 483 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: explosive plays over the years. I would imagine the majority 484 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: of them have come ten yards an inn from where 485 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: the ball is snapped. 486 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: The you know I was. The Pittsburgh Steelers are at 487 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: a really interesting crossroads. So Mike tom Mike Tomlin can 488 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: get a little prickly when his future is discussed, but 489 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 2: he has not beaten an elite quarterback in the playoff 490 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 2: game in forever. And that's just the reality. 491 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: He hasn't want a playoff game in almost a decade. Yeah. 492 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: So, and it's interesting they're not paying anything for Russell. Russell, 493 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: you know, any chance he gets to say, boy, I'd 494 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 2: love to see packages for Justin Fields at wide receiver. 495 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 2: It's like, I mean, that's so transparent. 496 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: That's kind of weird. 497 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: You know, they're all talking about and Justin doesn't want 498 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 2: any part of that, and he shouldn't want any part 499 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: of it. But I did have somebody that I trust 500 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: kind of that reports on the Steelers say, Russell, the 501 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh's going to be. 502 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: It's very. 503 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: That culture there is very grinder oriented. Even your stars. 504 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: Big Ben was kind of a small town guy. TJ. 505 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 2: Watt Midwestern guy. You know, the lavian bells come in 506 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: and very quickly they kind of feel disconnected from it. 507 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: It's it's a grinder operation. And I'm not saying Russell 508 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 2: doesn't grind and work hard, but he's got a brand. 509 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: He's just different. I mean, it's just I mean, call 510 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 2: it what you want. Nobody gets called out in this 511 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: league as much as Russell, and somebody that has good 512 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: connective tissue to the Steelers said, there's already been a 513 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 2: couple of situations where you know he's he's Russ and 514 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: these are the Steelers. It's ay and I say this, 515 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 2: Green Bay and Pittsburgh have a very lunch pale quality. Now, 516 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 2: the Steelers usually have elite defensive personnel. Packers are better 517 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 2: on the offensive side in terms of efficiency. Packers have 518 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: also had offensive coaches. But if you had to do 519 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: crystal ball on Russell Wilson, what it looks like end 520 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: of the year's schedule's awful. But if you had to 521 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: have a crystal ball on Russell Wilson, another quarterback who 522 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: almost inexplicably got worse fast without an injury, just got 523 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 2: worse fast nearing thirty five, what is your crystal ball 524 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 2: on Pittsburgh? 525 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: If I had to go over under on Justin Field's 526 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: first start with the Steelers, it'd probably be around five 527 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: and a half. I think he's in and I think 528 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: he's in early. The other thing is, you know, Russell 529 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: has to ingratiate himself. When you think of Mike Tommin 530 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 1: and the Steelers, I think TJ. Watt, Cam Hayward, make 531 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: of Fitzpatrick. I mean, those guys in Mike are kind 532 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: of on the same page, right I mean they feel 533 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: like part of the operation. Do they feel like Russell 534 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: Wilson guys? I mean when you think do you think TJ. 535 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: Watt and MIKEA. Fitzpatrick. You never say the word brand. 536 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: You think ass kickers and football players. And I just 537 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: can't imagine. I just don't think he's good enough. And 538 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: the margin Ferrera in this conference dinking and dunking. You 539 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: could argue if it starts slow, like what if they're 540 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: owing to and it's just like what are we doing on? 541 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: It might not even get to five and a half 542 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: because what what whorst is equity with the operation? Denver what'nything? 543 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: Pretty heavily paying them anything? They're paying them less than 544 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: a million dollars. Honestly, if it got really what, you 545 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: could cut them and you wouldn't even think twice. And 546 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: that happens to a lot of NFL players. Once you 547 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: start getting the team three and four, your equity with 548 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: the operation disappears. And it's a performance based business, so 549 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: no one's gonna want to hear about anything except touchdown passes. 550 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I mean the guy we've seen 551 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, I don't know if his 552 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: confidence is gone. I don't know if, but he's been 553 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: a pretty marginal player now for three straight years because 554 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: that last year in Seattle and then everything that happened 555 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: in the last two years in Denver. I also think, 556 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: if you're the fan bases in the NFL, sneaky have 557 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: a lot of juice because that's kind of where the owners, 558 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, they listen to radio that they so you 559 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: think Pittsburgh if all of a sudden listen, I don't know. 560 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: I would bet justin Fields he's probably closer to what 561 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: we've seen his whole career, but we've also seen guys 562 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: improve with that skill set when they get with the 563 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: right coordinator. Arthur Smith resurrected Ryan Tannehill. If I'm a 564 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: fan and we're zeroing too, like I not watching Russell Wilson, Well, 565 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: I've seen this from Afar putting the young kid, and 566 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: let's just see if we could figure something out with 567 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: this guy that has a lot of physical tools. Now 568 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: quarterbacks at about a lot more than run fast and 569 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: throwing hard. His pocket presence has been a major question mark. 570 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: But what did Arthur Smith do with Ryan tannel They 571 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: ran the ball. He gave him a lot of easy 572 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: looks kept it pretty simple. Now, I don't think they 573 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: really have Derrick Henry, you know, Najee Harris, Okay, back 574 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: Jalen Warred pretty explosive, but if their defense is good. 575 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: You know, honestly, if I was a Steeler fan, I 576 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: just want to see Justin fields right out. I wouldn't 577 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: even want to see Russell Wilson. I just like, can 578 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: we resurrect this guy? 579 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because Arthur Smith, his history is a 580 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: lot of throws over the middle of the field, and 581 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: that's not what Russell does. That's just not it. 582 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: No, he throws deep go routes. 583 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 2: See that's yeah, because you know his size, he can struggle. 584 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: Kyler Murray admits this. Tua acknowledges this. Sometimes I struggle 585 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: to see over the line. So of all, I've been 586 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: doing this now thirty years of talk sports, and you know, 587 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: I do a segment every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong. 588 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 2: I have big opinions miss all the time. Russell. I 589 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: don't ever remember a player in my life at that 590 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: position that I was sure he was great, and then 591 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 2: after a year I'm pretty sure he's just B minus 592 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: and there's no injury he's not to thirty six. He 593 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: works really hard, Like it's a really hard ask. You 594 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 2: start trying to figure out. You say, well, he didn't 595 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: get along. Seattley wasn't beloved, so no injury, He's still elusive. 596 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: It's like he put wede On in the wrong spot. 597 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: He got a little thick. I find Russell to be 598 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: a complete historic outlier, like Matt Ryan, never moved well, 599 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: didn't have a big arm, kind of thin, and it 600 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 2: felt like the game quickly passed him by. It got 601 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 2: very mobile and athletic, and he wasn't you know, there 602 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: are players at the end. Philip Rivers was never athletic. 603 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: He got like the most unathletic quarterback in the league. 604 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: Eli Manning just felt like he was out of gas. Russell, 605 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 2: You're like last year in Seattle, he's a wizard and 606 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 2: then he's bad and then Peyton makes him okay, And 607 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think he sees the field. I 608 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: don't think he sees guys, and I from people close 609 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 2: and around Sean like that's what the film said. He 610 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: just didn't see open guys. 611 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 1: I'll give you another guy that falls into that category. Now, 612 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: he had a bunch off the field stuff, But Deshaun 613 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: Watson was much more of kind of a scramble to 614 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: throw ad lib guy, and when it was on it 615 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: looked spectacular. But over the course of years you have 616 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: to play from within the pocket. Now he missed time 617 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: because of the massage therapist, he's been injured, but he 618 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: has looked like a shell of himself in Cleveland. Yeah, 619 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: and it's not like he's throwing to me and you. 620 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: I mean, they have a lot of talent on the 621 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: team and he looks like a guy and he's way 622 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: younger than Russell. You're like, what the hell is this? Yeah, 623 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,239 Speaker 1: and that that is? 624 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 2: That is And we love his coach. 625 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: For sure. I mean we love his team. Joe Flacco 626 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: gets in there, they boom, they start rattling off wins. 627 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're loaded. And that's one. I know 628 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the NFL are like you know, 629 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: if you really watch them in Houston, it's a lot 630 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: of kind of running outside the tackles and making stuff happen, 631 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: which is awesome to watch when you're sitting on your couch. 632 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: No one in my life watching football did that better 633 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: Russell in his prime, But like over and over and over. Peyton, 634 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: Tom Aaron, it's winning. Think about some of the solid cousins. 635 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,479 Speaker 1: Why is he had success? Dak Goff win in the 636 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: pocket is how you do it on a weekly basis, 637 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,239 Speaker 1: especially nowadays you watch the combine. How many of these 638 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: d linemen are running four sevens and four as crazy, 639 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: So you start scrambling around. You don't get as much 640 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: space anymore because these guys can run you down. The 641 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: guy the Eagles draft last year, Jalen Carter, is like 642 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty pounds and can run faster than 643 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: some like running backs. So the athleticism, and let's face it, 644 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: the other thing is the offensive linemen that have come 645 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: into the league over the last four or five years. 646 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: The supply and demand relative to the high defensive linemen, 647 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of it hasn't been there. So the offensive lineman, 648 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys get aren't as good as 649 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: they used to be. And we know because of college 650 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: football is not quite the same the way that they 651 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: coach with the spread offenses, and these defensive linemen are 652 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: coming for you and they can catch you unless you're 653 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and most obviously you know Russell definitely no 654 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: longer is as fast and even Deshaun Watson, you watch him, 655 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't play fast anymore. The volume. 656 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to part one of the conversation. Don't 657 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 2: forget to check back for part two. 658 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,959 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Jason Tipp, host of Hoops Tonight. 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