1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Something strange is going on. Who is killing Russian billionaires? 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 2: Another Russian oligarch has been found dead. Reports suggests that 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: he hanged himself, fell out of a window, slashed his wrists, 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: was poisoned, murdered his whole family. 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 3: Last year, more than a dozen Russian oligarchs died in 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 3: the space of nine months. Many of the deaths are 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 3: suspicious with links to the Kremlin. This is sad Oligach, 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 3: an investigation into these recently dead Russian billionaires. It's created 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 3: by me jake Hanrahan and my colleague Sergey Slipchenkok. Sad 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 3: Oligarch is a h eleven production for Kulso Media and iHeartRadio. 11 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 3: On September one, twenty twenty two, sixty seven year old 12 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 3: oil baron Raval Maganov was at the Moscow Central Clinical Hospital. 13 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: A few weeks earlier, he'd suffered a heart attack. Was 14 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 3: back at the upscale Clinical Hospital for chekhups. Maganov was 15 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 3: on the sixth floor on his own, smoking a cigarette 16 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 3: out the window. This is when the depression hit. He 17 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: felt sad, he felt despair. At that moment, he decided 18 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 3: he couldn't go on any longer. Raval Maganov pulled himself 19 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 3: up onto the frame of the window. 20 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: He looked down. 21 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: It was around seventy feet to the tarmac. Almost certain death. 22 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: This was it. 23 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 3: Maganov jumped, His body flailed as he fell six stories. 24 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: He hit the ground hard, his body mangled. Raval Maganov 25 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 3: was discovered and taken back into the hospital by emergency staff, 26 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: where he was soon pronounced dead. That's the official story. 27 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: Maganov was the chairman of Luke Oil, the largest private 28 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: company in Russia and the country's second largest energy company 29 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: behind Gazprom. Luke Oil quickly released a statement about Maganov's suicide, 30 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: saying quote, we deeply regret to announce that Raval Maganov, 31 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 3: chairman of Lucil Board of Directors, passed away following a 32 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: severe illness. Raval Maganov immensely contributed to the development of 33 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 3: not only the company, but of the entire Russian oil 34 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 3: and gas sector. Thanks to Raval Maganov's managerial talent, Luke 35 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: Oil evolved from a small oil production group to one 36 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: of the world's leading energy companies in next to no time. 37 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: It increased its oil and gas production manifold developed from 38 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 3: scratch new oil and gas provinces in the Caspian and 39 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: Baltic Seas, successfully launched super viscous oil projects in the 40 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: Republic of Komi, introduced advanced technological solutions to support production 41 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: and mature fields in West Siberia, and joined consortiums in 42 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: the most promising oil regions of the world. 43 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: Ends quote. 44 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: Clearly, Maganov was a big noise in Russia. He was 45 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 3: an oligarch who joined Luke Coyle back in nineteen ninety 46 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 3: one when it first began to take four and now, 47 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 3: as Luke Oyle said, he died of a severe illness, 48 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: that illness being his body hitting the ground at a 49 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: speed of about six meters per second. His death was 50 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: officially categorized as a suicide in Russian state media. Maganov's 51 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: family disagreed on They said there's no way he'd kill himself. 52 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: His friend said it was very unlikely. Maganov was not 53 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: that guy, nor was he even depressed. Maybe then the 54 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: official line on what happened to Maganov is inaccurate. Maybe 55 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: he acts a denseally, fell out of the window, or 56 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: maybe he was pushed. The Moscow Central Clinical Hospital is 57 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: for rich Russian high flyers like Maganov. It's the place 58 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: where Mikayle Gorbachev died, the final leader of the Soviet Union. 59 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,239 Speaker 3: It's known for having Russia's political and business elite amongst 60 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 3: its patients. Top of the range equipment and healthcare, always cleanliness, 61 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: security CCTV cameras. Perhaps those would show what really happened 62 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: to Maganov. Probably they would if they were working. Just 63 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: so happens that the day Maganov fell to his death, 64 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 3: the security cameras were offline due to repairs. We'll get 65 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: into that, but first lou Coyle. We first mentioned this 66 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 3: company in episode three. Alexander Sabotchin was a member of 67 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,559 Speaker 3: the board at Louke Coyle. He died four months before 68 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: rather Maganov, after being poisoned with frog venom during a 69 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,559 Speaker 3: shamanic ritual. Yeah. 70 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: Really. 71 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: Lukoil, the largest private company in Russia, produces more than 72 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 3: two percent of all the world's oil. To give you 73 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 3: an idea of what a big deal that is, bear 74 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: in mind that in twenty twenty two America alone consumed 75 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: an average of twenty million barrels of petroleum every single day. 76 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: To globally account for more than two percent is absolutely enormous. 77 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: Lukoil makes a lot of money. Russian oligarch Vjit Alekporov, 78 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 3: who worked with Maganov, was the Lukoil president from nineteen 79 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: ninety three until twenty twenty two, when he resigned after 80 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: he was sanctioned by the West due to Russia's invasion 81 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 3: of Ukraine. The twenty eight point three percent steak of 82 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 3: Lukoil Alekproov is around the fifth richest man in Russia. 83 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 3: That's how much money Luke Oil makes. Rival Maganov's official 84 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 3: net worth before he died was an estimated half a 85 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: billion dollars, and his business empire is sometimes referred to 86 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: as the Maganov dynasty. He began working at Luke Oil 87 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety one, when the company first formed and 88 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 3: grew in the wild aftermath of the collapse of the 89 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 3: Soviet Union. Some say that Maganov started working there in 90 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three, but actually it was ninety one when 91 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 3: it first began. Luke Oil was founded as an oil 92 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: group when merging three other existing oil companies lang past Nefgas, 93 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: Urine Nefgas and kugualmin Nef Gas. Luk Luke Oyle within 94 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: two years of its creation luke Co Oil was incorporated 95 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 3: into a public joint stock company and ranked within the 96 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: top three global leaders of oil production. The get go, 97 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 3: luke Oyl was doing big busysiness. By nineteen ninety five, 98 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 3: America's then big time independent petroleum company Arco were interested 99 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 3: in luke Coil. Of course, where there's oil, there's Americans. 100 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: Urco became a major shareholder in Lucyl and a dedicated 101 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: strategic partner. This gave Lucoyle a new level of legitimacy 102 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: on the world stage when it came to intercontinental profits expansion. 103 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: At the turn of the millennium, luc Oil discovered a 104 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 3: new oil and gas area in the Caspian Sea. At 105 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: this point they entered Fortunes at Global five hundred, listed 106 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 3: as one of the most lucrative companies in the entire world. 107 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: They began doing more business with the US, entering the 108 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: American retail petroleum market. From then on, Lucoyl was on 109 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: the up and up. They acquired new oil refineries, expanded 110 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 3: sales in Europe, had put in publicly toursed several of 111 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: their facilities, expanded into Africa and the Middle East, got 112 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 3: a world record for horizontal drilling capacity took part in 113 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: un sponsored business events and made all the top people 114 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: involved filthy rich. Everything was going great, that is until 115 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: Putin launched Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine on February 116 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 3: twenty fourth, twenty twenty two. Russian troops across the borders, 117 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: Russian fighter jets bombed the cities, and Russian media blamed 118 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: it all on Ukraine. Outside of those bubbles, though the 119 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: writing was on the wall, it was clear whatever issues 120 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: were going on between each country and their various alliances 121 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 3: became irrelevant. Russia launched an imperialist assault on a sovereign 122 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: country in Europe. Putin himself even confirmed this, stating publicly 123 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: on Russian TV that he doesn't recognize the existence of 124 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 3: Ukraine and he dismissed its long history. He wants to 125 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 3: take over make Ukraine Russian, and that's that. Whilst many 126 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 3: Western countries, mainly America, are of course guilty of doing 127 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: the exact same thing all across the world, Russia doesn't 128 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: get a pass, not in the world stage where it 129 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: actually matters anyway. Plenty of over zealous political types might 130 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 3: tell you it wasn't really their fault, but let's be honest. 131 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: In the real world, everyone can see what's happening. This 132 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 3: is something Luke Quil's board of members clearly understood very 133 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: early on. As we mentioned in episode three, the high 134 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 3: rollers at Luke Coyle Maganov, especially as chairman, took the 135 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: risk to speak out publicly against Putin. If you remember, 136 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: they released an official Luke Oyl's statement shortly after the invasion, saying, quote, 137 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: the Board of Directors of Lukeoyl expresses its deepest concerns 138 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: about the tragic events in Ukraine, calling for the soonest 139 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: termination of the armed conflict. We express our sincere empathy 140 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: for all victims who are affected by this tragedy. We 141 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 3: strongly support a lasting ceasefire and a settlement of problems 142 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: through serious negotiations and diplomacy. In its activities, Luke Oyl 143 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 3: aspires to contribute to peace, international relations and humanitarian ties. 144 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: Ends quote. 145 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 3: In any properly free society, public criticism of a war 146 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 3: is of course accepted without punishment, but in Russia, with 147 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 3: increasing state authoritarianism, speaking out can get you in bit trouble. 148 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 3: To give some context to how seriously the state takes 149 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: opposition to its invasion of Ukraine, consider this you could 150 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 3: get up to fifteen years in prison in Russia for 151 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: taking part in organized public protests against the war. That's 152 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 3: not for rioting, looting, or violence. That's just for organizing 153 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: a peaceful protest in favor of removing Russian troops from 154 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: Ukrainian territory. In fact, on April twenty first, over one 155 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 3: than three hundred citizens were arrested in Russia for gathering 156 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: in the streets to demonstrate their opposition to the war. 157 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: Many were even beaten. So for a heavyweight company like 158 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 3: Lukoyle to speak out against the invasion was likely seen 159 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 3: as some kind of challenge to his power in the 160 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: eyes of Putin. As is well documented, his way of 161 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 3: ruling Russia is to bulldoze any anyone who comes up 162 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 3: against him. Some theorize that's what happened to Raval Maganov. 163 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: Maganov was directly familiar with Putin. He'd been given a 164 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: national award by him personally in twenty nineteen for outstanding 165 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 3: service to Russia. Under Maganov's guidance, Luke Oil had made 166 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 3: the Kremlin consistently huge amounts of money in tax and 167 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: had made Russia an all star global player in the 168 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 3: world's oil and gas industries. He advised the Russian Energy 169 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 3: Ministry before OPEC meetings and was generally at the top 170 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 3: of his game for at least thirty years. Maganov was 171 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: not an easy guy to replace, So that begs the question. 172 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: Did the louk Oyl statement against Russia's war on Ukraine 173 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 3: anger Putin enough to get Maganov killed? To me, that 174 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 3: sounds a little excessive. But to get a better idea 175 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 3: of how oligar key can affec your health, I spoke 176 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: to a man who claims to be in these exact crossheads. 177 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: Well, my conflict was with the oligarchs that are close 178 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: to Putting, have been has been developing over quite some time. 179 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: Now they to assassinate. 180 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 3: Me, that's I got Sychev speaking through an interpreter. Saichev 181 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 3: is a multi millionaire businessman from Russia. He doesn't like Putin. 182 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 3: I got Sychev claims that people associated with Russia's oligarchy 183 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 3: have tried to kill him several times. He says that 184 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 3: this is because of a court battle he's involved in 185 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: against a Putin ally who didn't pay him the full 186 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: stake of shares he owned in Russian chemical company foss Agro. 187 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 3: It's a bit complicated. The case itself is kind of 188 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 3: irrelevant to us. But basically, Saychev says he's been targeted 189 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: for assassination, are the same sorts of groups who would 190 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: in theory target someone like raval Aagonov. 191 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: Quite recently, I put an information that they actually ordered 192 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 2: my assassination. I started receiving emails from a known person 193 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: where he says that they ordered this assassination because of 194 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: the court case that is being processed. Two days ago, 195 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: I was in the United Kingdom and provided this information 196 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: to the local police and they started a criminal investigation 197 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: related to that. 198 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: Right, So who is after you exactly? 199 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: Do you think? 200 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: Well, I would say that it's the putting who is 201 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: after me, but his close friends instead. In terms of Putting, 202 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: he might be aware of me because in twenty eighteen, 203 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: when I left Russia, I was supporting Navayli and I 204 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: was one of the major sponsors who mentioned this information publicly. 205 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: Alexi Novealni is an opposition leader in Russia. Novalni is 206 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: currently in prison in Russia, accused of violating his parole 207 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: for a previous charge of embezzlement, which is believed to 208 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: be politically motivated. His imprisonment came after he was poisoned 209 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: with neuvechok in twenty twenty and hospitalized in Germany. Anyway, 210 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: back to Saichev, obviously you have first hand experience in 211 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: this world. Just from your point of view, can you 212 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 3: give us an idea of how powerful the Oligachs are 213 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: in Russia? 214 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: Right now? 215 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: They have quite weak influence overputting the more his hostages, 216 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: so to say, because they made their fortune by working 217 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: and being close to him. Now when most of them 218 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: are under sanctions, they have no other choice than to 219 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: support him demonstratively. 220 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: So in some of these cases that we've been looking at, 221 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 3: in most of them, to be honest, they regarding either 222 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: Russian Oligachs or very rich Russian businessmen with significant influence 223 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: in various industries, often connected to the Kremlin, either directly 224 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: or otherwise. To be honest, it's very fishy the death, 225 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: to say the least, and it definitely opens up the 226 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 3: possibility to think, well, maybe these people are being murdered. 227 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: Do you think that, say someone on a you know, 228 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 3: a very high level oligarch type, what do you think 229 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: to that is that possibility? Is that something that can 230 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: happen just you know from your own personal point of view. 231 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: Yes, I am aware of those deaths, and I don't 232 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: think they have been accidents. And from what I know, 233 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: which is like publicly available information, from my conversation with 234 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: some of my accordancies, which is the inside information, I 235 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: think they've been killed because they had financial information related 236 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: to Putting, especially it related to those people who are 237 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: who grew connected with the state related companies like Gaspromo notex. 238 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 3: Do you do you think there's any possibility that this 239 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: could be linked to the war in Ukraine. I mean, 240 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 3: it's it's mostly happened in this if well, these people 241 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 3: have died in a very short amount of time, and 242 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: in that short amount of time it kind of started 243 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: ticking up like an optic in these mysterious deaths of 244 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 3: these rich Russian tycoons when the Ukraine War started. So 245 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. Do you think that there's any It's 246 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 3: possible there's a connection to the wa there. 247 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 2: I suppose it may be connected to war because Putting 248 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: at the moment is under a very close monitor from 249 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: the public worldwide, and he attempts to hide his financial schemes. 250 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: It was very well known before the war that he 251 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: had a widespread offshore accounts that he used to finance 252 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:06,239 Speaker 2: his own and his family's personal goals. Well, I can 253 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 2: give you an example of which is based on my 254 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: own story with my polygarchs, what financial relationships they has 255 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: that connects them to the current Russian government. Well, one 256 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: of the examples would be related to for Sacro and 257 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: its shareholders. Among their members, that is the one person 258 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 2: named Litvinenka, who is Puting's friends friend, and he owns 259 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 2: twenty percent shares of for Sagro, which is around three 260 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: billion dollars and has been proven by journalists investigations that 261 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: this was a priv to Putting when he received that 262 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: amount of shares. 263 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 3: So what side Chev is saying here is that the 264 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 3: company he was involved with, which is why allegedly these 265 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: oligarchs are trying to get him killed. He's saying that 266 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 3: someone associated with that company's someone that has shares in it, 267 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 3: received three billion dollars. But actually that wasn't really for him. 268 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 3: That was a bribe, that was something to give over 269 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 3: to Putin, And perhaps this is how Putin makes his money. 270 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 3: As we've spoken about already in this series, Putin is 271 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 3: believed to be worth billions and that's definitely not from 272 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 3: the money he makes as the President of Russia, not 273 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 3: officially anyway. I asked Sichev how these oligarchs might assemble 274 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: teams to go out and actually kill people if it's 275 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: not directly from the Kremlin itself. 276 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 2: Well, the expression is pretty simple. They have a number 277 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: of executors who specialize in certain ways of staging those 278 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: assassinations and taking for example, the poisoning of Navali or 279 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 2: where special agencies tried to poison him. They used pretty 280 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: rude or crude methods, and they've made a lot of 281 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: mistakes that allowed to easily identify them pretty civil explanations 282 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: because this whole system is degrading and they're no longer 283 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: competent to what they do. 284 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 3: Do you think it's possible that maybe some of these 285 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: people are being killed and that it's some kind of 286 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 3: message to be sent out, Because there's a lot of 287 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: people that have died in a short space of time 288 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 3: that are all in similar kind of circuits, similar communities. 289 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 3: Maybe there's a message being sent here. 290 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. 291 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a pretty plausible reason that they 292 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 2: wanted to send a message. I think I will agree 293 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 2: with you so I go A. 294 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: Saichev, a Russian tycoon involved with the company that's allegedly 295 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 3: linked to Kremlin oligarchy, thinks it's quite possible that these 296 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 3: mysterious deaths are murders. Maybe, or maybe it's all a 297 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: coincidence sculpted into a theory by the idea of the 298 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: Russian boog This is definitely something that we have to 299 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 3: take into account when looking at these strange deaths. We 300 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 3: don't know I for certain what's going on. What I 301 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 3: do know, though, is that it's almost too perfect that 302 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 3: the security cameras were off the day Raval Maganov fell 303 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 3: to his death. The official line is that the cameras 304 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 3: were down to be repaired. Now. To be fair, CCTV 305 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 3: can be temperamental. However, the Moscow Central Clinical Hospital is 306 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: health care for the elites. It's unlikely they have low 307 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 3: quality security equipment. Either way, things can still break. Perhaps 308 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 3: Maganov was depressed and just happened to commit suicide at 309 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 3: the hospital, of all places, on the same day the 310 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: cameras were down. Russian media said had been taken antidepressants 311 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 3: after all, although Maganov's family refute this, saying that no, 312 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 3: that is not true. He wasn't taken a depressants. As 313 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: you can see, there are many inconsistencies and coincidences surrounding 314 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 3: his death. Oh yeah, and there's another interesting tourn of 315 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 3: information that we haven't mentioned yet. Get this, There was 316 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 3: a special visitor at the hospital the very same day 317 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 3: that Maganov fell to his death. Pooting, the President of Russia, 318 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 3: was at the Moscow Central Clinical Hospital on September one, 319 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. The same day arrival, Maganov hit the 320 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 3: tarmac from seventy feet. 321 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: Surgery explains. 322 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 4: This is around the time when Korbachev died, so the 323 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 4: last USSR leader before it is old and basically he 324 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 4: was visiting his open casket on September first, he like 325 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 4: already passed away, and this was like, I guess the 326 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 4: co media visit just to show that he's like paying 327 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: respect or whatever. He was known to not like him 328 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 4: because he kind of blamed them for the fall of 329 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 4: the Soviet Union, so I guess him visiting was kind 330 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 4: of a big deal. He said he won't visit the 331 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 4: actual memorial service, so he just kind of visited the hospital. 332 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 4: But this is the same moscue of Central Hospital where 333 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 4: macgana was staying and that was the same day that 334 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: mcganna died, right for all, out of window. 335 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: Typical. 336 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 4: But it's just interesting that same day that Putin visits, 337 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 4: just news that Maganav dies. 338 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean, okay, yeah, Grubachev died I think 339 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 3: August thirtieth. Two days later Putin went to see his 340 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 3: casket or I guess, like maybe you can afford for 341 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 3: two days. But it seemed like a crazy coincidence to 342 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: me that the guy that Maganov's company basically spoke out 343 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 3: against four months prior just happens to be that the 344 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: same day he jumps out the window. 345 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean like it just sounds like a movie, 346 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 4: you know, to say, like the truth is more unbelievable 347 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 4: than like a story, and who would have thought, right, 348 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 4: It's like putting his visits and then this guy falls 349 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 4: out of the window. It's almost like a mafia mob 350 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 4: movie where the dawn visits. I think you can see 351 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 4: it play out, you know, you can see it play 352 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 4: out again to the point where it's almost absurd. 353 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: But then it's like maybe it is the truth. 354 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 4: You know, I was reading a bit into it, and like, 355 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 4: you know, he was in charge of the coil, and 356 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 4: apparently Rosnieft was looking to acquire Locoil because it's again 357 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 4: it's like very deep connections to the States, but not 358 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 4: exactly owned by the state. 359 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: And it looks like thecoil was going to be absorb 360 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: by Rose. 361 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 4: And then it for one under sender never worked out 362 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 4: and some like this is all rumors, right, so I 363 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 4: can't really say for sure, but apparently Locoil was kind 364 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 4: of discussing merging with them, but apparently like the management 365 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 4: of the coil was kind of opposed to it. What 366 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 4: was NIFT is again state connected energy company, massive, massive 367 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 4: corporations working in the energy industry, you know, basically the 368 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 4: backbone of Russia's economy. 369 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: There's so many of them. 370 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 4: Even Magando's brother was on another LNG company working with 371 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 4: another one. 372 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: He was like the general director. 373 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 4: It's all really like intermain Culture's a bunch of companies, 374 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 4: billions of dollars and it's basically just like shares of 375 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 4: the market, right, They're all kind of doing the same thing. 376 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: They just have maybe various. 377 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 4: Fields or areas where they operate out of, but they're 378 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 4: basically doing the same thing. And the Russian government is 379 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 4: trying to control of them essentially, like there's no reason 380 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 4: for them to have private companies. They just want to 381 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 4: be the ones running them. 382 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: Right, Well, yeah, I mean, okay, Lucayle originally released the 383 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 3: statement at the start of the war, presumably I don't 384 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: think they cared about Ukraine and they were like, oh, well, 385 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 3: this is going to affect our money. Oh and if 386 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: you look at the history of lu Coal, they have 387 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 3: tons and tons of cooperation with you know, Western companies, 388 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 3: with America specifically, so it would make sense that they 389 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 3: would try and insulate themselves a little bit from what 390 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 3: the state was doing. But then when you look at 391 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 3: the records, the sales records, Luke Coal actually made like 392 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 3: record profits after the invasion. Okay, at the start it 393 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 3: looked rocky, but then actually it worked out that they 394 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 3: ended up making a lot of money. The war was 395 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 3: actually kind of grows but the war was good for 396 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 3: them financially, so they kind of, you know, they maybe 397 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 3: mispredicted what would happen there. And it looks like Coil 398 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 3: is actually making a lot of money via countries that 399 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: are speaking out against Russia saying they're going to sanction them. 400 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 3: But actually Louke Coil is operating refineries in these countries, 401 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 3: are making a lot of money there, and I am thinking, well, 402 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 3: it would make sense then that the Russian government, perhaps 403 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 3: to kind of weave that way around the sanctions, would 404 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,479 Speaker 3: want would then want to acquire Luke Cole because, like 405 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 3: I said, Louke Coil is actually still making a hell 406 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 3: of a lot of money in amongst all of this. 407 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, like they were created and they operate out of Russia, 408 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 4: but they have facilities around. I know they have one 409 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 4: in Italy for sure. I know they're like kind of 410 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 4: spread throughout Western throughout the West and Western Europe. Yeah, 411 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 4: for sure. You know, like they made the statement and 412 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 4: now you have this as the West you can be like, oh, 413 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 4: but look. 414 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,479 Speaker 1: They're they're against it. You know. 415 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 4: I think it's obviously like a face saving kind of statement, 416 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 4: but I could see how it kind of a fan 417 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 4: put in or kind of go against the state message 418 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 4: and stuff, kind of like you're making us look bad, 419 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 4: you know, Whereas they're doing this to save their business 420 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 4: basically because maybe compared to other companies, they have much 421 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 4: more stake in the West and you know, potentially losing 422 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 4: their facilities refineries could really hamper the business the worst started. 423 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 4: They probably lost some money through the like the first 424 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 4: month or so of like companies not knowing what to 425 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 4: do the West not knowing what to do, like where 426 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 4: the sanctions were just coming in. 427 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: But then the you. 428 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 4: Know, need for gas oil energy continued anyways, and I'm 429 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 4: guessing business once as usual. You know, prices were all 430 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 4: over the place, so it's probably selling it a good price. 431 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 4: And yeah, you know, having that foot in the West 432 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 4: and being able to sell through that. 433 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure being able to. 434 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 4: Buy things through the company would be a great thing 435 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 4: for POUSI. 436 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, or one last things, do we know do we 437 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: know if Putium was at the hospital the same time 438 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: the Maganov died. 439 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 4: So it's basically it's more like date wise. I can't 440 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 4: say by the hour I believe mcgana died. I believe 441 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 4: they found him in like the afternoon, and Putin was 442 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 4: there like during the day, so it's possible. Yeah, Like 443 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 4: from what I understand, Mcgana died closer to like nighttime. 444 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 4: Putting visited during the day, so like Magana would have 445 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 4: been alive when Putting visited, cameras were off, so we 446 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 4: don't know if maybe he was visited. 447 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: We don't know how he fell. 448 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 3: It's weird as well to me that, Okay, the cameras 449 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 3: were off od anyway when this happens. But it's odd 450 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 3: to me that security cameras would not be working on 451 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: the day the president visits. You would think they would 452 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 3: want everything running. You would think that the security around 453 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 3: Putin would be like, right, we need to make sure 454 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 3: that those cameras are on, you know, just in case 455 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 3: something happens, I e. All of the checks that these 456 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 3: kind of people make, make sure there's no assassination attempts, 457 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 3: that kind of thing. It seems weird enough that they 458 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 3: weren't on, but then also weird to me that they 459 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: would be not working on the day Putin visits. I mean, 460 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: stranger things happen, but I don't know, it just seems 461 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 3: so perfect. 462 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 4: I think the official line is under repairs, So I mean, 463 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 4: you can, you know, always be under repairs if you 464 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 4: need to be. I'm sure it's not difficult to make 465 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 4: up a reason and just you know, be like, oh, 466 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 4: we're we have to fix this thing. Let's turn off 467 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 4: the cameras for a day, and yeah, you're right, Like 468 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 4: if the big boss is visiting, you probably you know, 469 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 4: if you're actually repairing stuff, you probably don't want it 470 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 4: to look bad. Be like, oh, yeah, the you know, 471 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 4: the security system is down and we have no we're 472 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 4: completely blind. 473 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: Like, I'm sure it would look bad. I wouldn't want 474 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: to be the guy like, hey, by the. 475 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 4: Way, Putin's you don't know security detail, just say, you know, 476 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 4: all the cameras are effected, right, But on the other hand, 477 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 4: I kind of can't see the incompetence and just be like, 478 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 4: you know what, these cameras are here just for looks. 479 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 4: They that were worked to beget with Let's say they 480 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 4: were under repairs, you know what I mean. So it's 481 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 4: like there's a lot of possibilities. I mean, look at astin. 482 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, funny that, yeah, yeah, I don't think it's a stretch, 483 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, like to go there. 484 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 4: Again, we don't have any evidence to back it up, 485 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 4: but I think anybody can speculate and kind of wonder 486 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 4: just how much of a coincidence these things are. 487 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 3: So again, Raval Maganov falls to his death at the 488 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 3: hospital the same day Putin visits to apparently pay his 489 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 3: respects to a dead Gorbachev. Maganov is the chairman of 490 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 3: a Russian mega corporation that publicly criticized Putin's career defining 491 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 3: invasion of Ukraine. Keep that in mind when listening to 492 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 3: something I go Saychev said that I think is relevant 493 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 3: to this death. Now heads up, I didn't mention Maganov 494 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 3: to Sychev at all when. 495 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 2: They're talking about gars. It would separate them into two 496 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: distinct groups. First, from one is a close circle, so 497 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 2: to say, and they have some limited influence over Putting 498 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 2: because they are not only connected with him financially, but 499 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: they also have some friendship and the out circle or 500 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 2: all the other regards, they might be equally rich, but 501 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: they have no personal connections with Footing. They use the 502 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: influence when there are state related decisions are to be made, 503 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 2: but they use this influence to pursue their own goals. 504 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 3: It's obvious to me at least that Raval Maganov and 505 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 3: the rest of the Looke Oil board members probably didn't 506 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 3: care much about the invasion of Ukraine outside of how 507 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 3: it could damage their profit margins. Of the rule that 508 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 3: accepted awards from Putin himself, and they pretty much gone 509 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 3: along with everything else he's done to the country. So 510 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 3: the statement they made could be seen as business leaders 511 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 3: trying to use their influence to save face amongst their 512 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 3: Western business partners. Now, if Putin is as vindictive and 513 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 3: callous as evidence suggests he is, maybe the death of 514 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 3: Maganov was actually a killing that was made personal. Obviously, 515 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 3: Putin didn't push him out that window himself, but perhaps 516 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 3: there was something symbolic about him being at the same 517 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 3: place on the same day that Maganov went out the 518 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 3: window and fell to his death. Maybe this was revenge, 519 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 3: or maybe Maganov was depressed and chose his hospital visit 520 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 3: to commit suicide on a day that the security cameras 521 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 3: just happened to be off, and the same day the 522 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 3: president he'd pissed off also happened to visit. 523 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: Who knows? 524 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 3: Sad Oligarch is a H eleven production for Cool Zone 525 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 3: Media and iHeartRadio, hosted, produced, researched, and edited by me 526 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 3: Jake Hanrahan and Sergei Slipchenkok co produced by Sophie Lichtman. 527 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 3: Music by Sam Black, artwork by Adam mcdoyle, soundmix by 528 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 3: Splicing Block. 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