Speaker 1: Warning.
Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers for the final two episodes of
Speaker 2: Mau shadow Lord Maul. Hello, my name is Jason Gecepcion.
Speaker 3: Anda' Rosey night.
Speaker 2: Well that this is kind of Howord does.
Speaker 3: Where we don't even visual right now, like how he's
Speaker 3: doing in this show.
Speaker 2: Colleagues and pop culture. Coming to you from my heart
Speaker 2: ware bring you three episode.
Speaker 3: In today's episode, we are recapping episodes nine and ten
Speaker 3: Dark Ball shadow Lord, which is actually just called Mall
Speaker 3: shadow Lord Ours. And the first episode is episode nine
Speaker 3: Strange Allies, and the second episode, episode ten, the Dark Law.
Speaker 3: So be where there's gonna be lots of spoilers, and
Speaker 3: of course Joelle super producer will be here to discuss
Speaker 3: all the more thoughts. So let's get into it. Death Maul,
Speaker 3: Death Maul Episode nine, Strange Allies. Dryden Voss via a hologram. Wow,
Speaker 3: remember him, He's there, And.
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like we could have dialed
Speaker 2: in the Dryden Voss voice a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a note.
Speaker 3: Small note for Mal shadow Lord. He will personally provide
Speaker 3: Mao with an escape from Jane X in exchange for
Speaker 3: that happened, though he then needs More to promise that
Speaker 3: he will kill the current crimson. This is so funny
Speaker 3: to me too, because I'm just like, you're gonna do
Speaker 3: something for More first, and then you're gonna ask him
Speaker 3: to do something. It seems like the wrong idea, my guy,
Speaker 3: but sure, then he's gonna kill the current crimson. Dawn
Speaker 3: Barson great wonderful. So in a broken down building somewhere,
Speaker 3: two boots laws in, Riley and Devon are all hiding
Speaker 3: out and Maowel caused to Devon in her sleep Devil.
Speaker 3: She wakes up and she's like ah, and she explains
Speaker 3: her dream to Darky and Darky's like, well, maybe he's
Speaker 3: trying to show you something. Sounds like somebody's implanted this
Speaker 3: place in your brain for a reason. And it's great
Speaker 3: timing because Marek and the Eleven Brothers show up the
Speaker 3: two inquisitors and they are ready to capture some force users.
Speaker 3: Luckily they're just outside boom happens. They escape. You don't
Speaker 3: see it, it happened. Luckily they make a quick escape.
Speaker 3: More is right there and he's like, hey, I'm I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna help you guys, ragtag group of allies that
Speaker 3: we are force users cops, Jedi sith who cares we're
Speaker 3: just friends altogether, and they're like, what else are we
Speaker 3: gonna do? So they go and they're like, yes, Lawson
Speaker 3: is leading them across the Empire perimeter, and Devin kind
Speaker 3: of has to reveal to Daky, like, yeah, maybe me
Speaker 3: and Maul do have a connection. Maybe it happened when
Speaker 3: you told me to get arrested because I was hungry
Speaker 3: enough to steal an apple. Maybe that's when it happened.
Speaker 3: Maure's little pro droid. We get to see him flying
Speaker 3: around and he's spy guy. No spy guy. He jams
Speaker 3: some Stormtrooper colms and we get to see more take
Speaker 3: down a bunch of stormtroopers. As Devin covers him, Riley
Speaker 3: just shoots a stormtrooper riding away in the back. Let
Speaker 3: me tell you my father like son, he just stuns
Speaker 3: up and just shoots him.
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you something nasty. The amount of
Speaker 2: loss of life in these two episodes is. I think
Speaker 2: it's up there with anything like not counting the explosion
Speaker 2: of the Death Star, right, yeah, up there with any
Speaker 2: kind of like firefight scene we've ever seen.
Speaker 3: It starts, dude, Lawson kills so many people. He is
Speaker 3: just shooting so many stormtroopers, like easily kills one hundred people.
Speaker 3: So Daddy looks at his son and he's like, Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you shot that guy who was driving
Speaker 3: away on his speed up. So proud of you. And
Speaker 3: then they work their way through this large power plant
Speaker 3: which is kind of half empty, and the crew manages
Speaker 3: to find a way out despite the fact that Lawson
Speaker 3: is clearly scheming on a double cross the whole time,
Speaker 3: like he's acting like they're gonna double cross him, like
Speaker 3: more than his crew are gonna doublecross him, but really,
Speaker 3: like Lawson, you're the one thinking about it, just not
Speaker 3: being so suspicious. Two Boots is immediately like anything he
Speaker 3: sees that is against some kind of regulation, he's like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna report it. And then he's like, oh, I
Speaker 3: can't do that anymore. I'm not really a snitchpot in
Speaker 3: the same way, And that comes up very importantly when
Speaker 3: they have to work together to get across a river
Speaker 3: of toxic waste. I bet you didn't see that coming.
Speaker 3: In the finale of More Shadow Lord, that is in
Speaker 3: the basement of the power plant, two Boats wants to
Speaker 3: snitch about it. He can't, it's not a priority, and
Speaker 3: just in time for them to be stuck at the
Speaker 3: toxic waste pool, Marreck and the eleventh Brother show up,
Speaker 3: leading to a pretty brutal fight that sees more essentially
Speaker 3: lose like his entire crew. If you wanted to know
Speaker 3: anything about them, rip to all. I was other than Spybot,
Speaker 3: who I was like, good, you were like get that
Speaker 3: fut I was.
Speaker 2: It was sad the way he went master and died,
Speaker 2: but yeah, man, like we saw multiple members of the gang,
Speaker 2: including you know, like the final the last few marriage
Speaker 2: Mangalorian culture, also the other Za twin, the other Zebich
Speaker 2: brother take like fifteen shots to the chest and go down.
Speaker 3: At and then he took like fifteen stormtroopers with him
Speaker 3: into the lava question mark or the toxic waste I guess. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was very crazy. And we also got some wild
Speaker 3: devon action here as she kind of force fly jumps
Speaker 3: layer style across the toxic waste using these abandoned skiffs.
Speaker 3: We will then get a really epic double lightsaber fight
Speaker 3: where we get a double double sided lightsaber brawl with
Speaker 3: more facing down with Marrock, and it is actually extremely
Speaker 3: sick and very well choreographed, and More earns Devin's loyalty
Speaker 3: here in what will clearly be a very important moment
Speaker 3: by essentially allowing Daky to escape while he fights the inquisitive. Yes,
Speaker 3: whole does manage to make it across, but that is
Speaker 3: despite an insane hail Mary play by Marek, who just
Speaker 3: like Lashes, is fucking like light save in quiz a
Speaker 3: light saber like a fucking frisbee to try and knock More,
Speaker 3: and instead he destroys the skiff. More manages to make
Speaker 3: it across.
Speaker 2: Not very Jedi of Daki right to do, to be
Speaker 2: the one who flees and not be the one who
Speaker 2: stops everybody Like I was a little bit like very interesting, Daki.
Speaker 1: Now is the tame that you decided to.
Speaker 3: A cow wad?
Speaker 2: But I'll just say this is the best, these two episodes.
Speaker 2: It's the greatest action we've ever seen in Star Wars Animated.
Speaker 3: I think these two it's really great stuff. I do
Speaker 3: love the three people with double sided sabers. We've never
Speaker 3: seen that before. It is very enticing to me. I
Speaker 3: do enjoy it. I do not love the episodes as
Speaker 3: much as that, but I do think that they are
Speaker 3: a fun end to this show, though, I will say
Speaker 3: I also do think from some of the pacing choices
Speaker 3: and like the way things are explained, I do think again,
Speaker 3: this is a show for like a much younger audience.
Speaker 1: Patient.
Speaker 3: I don't mean that as like, no, no, ye, kids.
Speaker 3: I don't mean that as like, well, I'm an adult.
Speaker 3: I just mean I think it's for younger kids.
Speaker 2: I agree with its written, and we'll talk about this
Speaker 2: more in the conversation, but let me just say, like
Speaker 2: even kids would benefit from better pacing in this show.
Speaker 3: Oh that's it, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, kids deserve This.
Speaker 2: Should have been sequenced differently, that's all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So more and and you know, Lawson to Boots,
Speaker 3: Riley and Devon, who and who are the survivors and Daky.
Speaker 3: They are going through the kind of misty forests of Janex,
Speaker 3: which look very akin to Dagabar, and then something.
Speaker 4: Emerges, tall, dark, covered in multi colored buttons. It's Toffveda,
Speaker 4: a bomb bom.
Speaker 2: My only question was whether it was gonna be him,
Speaker 2: big Daddy Big Daddy Vader or the Emperor himself. But
Speaker 2: I guess the Emperor.
Speaker 3: Still, I think it could be I think it could
Speaker 3: be sitious, but also like we've seen him a lot.
Speaker 3: I don't know if fans would have gotten as excited.
Speaker 3: This definitely feels delegating.
Speaker 1: Now this is a.
Speaker 3: Fan service moment for sure. Like we've always wondered as kids,
Speaker 3: like who would win in a fight? Obviously that gets
Speaker 3: answered heartily in the next episode, which we will be
Speaker 3: talking about. Wants to be a back from.
Speaker 1: We're Back.
Speaker 3: We're back, guy, it's happening. Do you feel like you're
Speaker 3: ten years old? Do you feel like you're in the
Speaker 3: playground asking your friend Vader us there is more? Who
Speaker 3: would win? It's that battle the bow we have wanted
Speaker 3: to see since we were kids. Well exactly, I'll tell
Speaker 3: you something. If you were worried that Darth Vader was
Speaker 3: not the fearsome foe that once gave us nightmares as children,
Speaker 3: don't be worried because this era is chunky, angry, murder
Speaker 3: a kid. He's a big boy with big, chunky arms
Speaker 3: and big chunky legs. This is horror movie Vader. He
Speaker 3: is killing so many.
Speaker 2: He's doing the thing you know where he puts his
Speaker 2: hand close to the ground to say like too small.
Speaker 2: It's just they don't have the size to deal with
Speaker 2: the evader of this magnitude.
Speaker 5: They look I was like, okay, wow, this new age
Speaker 5: six foot seven exactly what is happening here? I know?
Speaker 3: And this suit is like skin top, skin tight. This
Speaker 3: is Daddy Vader for sure. They've got him for sure.
Speaker 1: He's out there.
Speaker 3: He's just commanding the force. He's just wiping out in
Speaker 3: diret battalions of people in front of him. I love them.
Speaker 3: He is extremely opie and for some reason all he
Speaker 3: wants to just fucking kill Darth Moore. He's like, fuck
Speaker 3: this guy. Somehow, this guy is to blame for Padme's.
Speaker 2: Dad because it's and that's the Empire, that's Emperor. He's
Speaker 2: you know, that's yeah, exactly, that's the Emperor's ex He
Speaker 2: does not like.
Speaker 5: The Emperor, very challenged that mark and feel it before
Speaker 5: he actually knows what's happening, He's like, who is this guy?
Speaker 1: You're fucking with the Emperor, aren't you? I knows instinct.
Speaker 3: Which I do love because like he also Mariah Carey
Speaker 3: like I don't know hers doth Vader too. He's like,
Speaker 3: who are you bitch? Like what the fuck is going
Speaker 3: on here? And I gotta say Darth Moore's getting absolutely
Speaker 3: eaten up here, Like he does not have a chance.
Speaker 3: He cannot take Darth Vader. If we were wondering as kids,
Speaker 3: who would take who? Guess what's the one who got
Speaker 3: chopped in half? Who's still going to get chopped in half?
Speaker 5: In this situation, Anakin was like nine the first time
Speaker 5: all died like this?
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? This is like he's
Speaker 3: worked a lot now. And also do you okay, so
Speaker 3: do you think when he's fighting him, do you think
Speaker 3: Anakin is feeling anger and fury inside remembering that he
Speaker 3: killed quite gone Gin, Like do you think he has
Speaker 3: that knowledge? Or do you think this is pure Vader rage?
Speaker 5: I like the legends cannon of the suit is painful
Speaker 5: for Anakin to wear, and that every like second of
Speaker 5: his life is just like agony and terror over at
Speaker 5: what he's done, and like just constantly like redoubling down
Speaker 5: sort of in a what a Firecracker we're resumed as
Speaker 5: a zombie and forced to fight for Homelanders situation. Yeah,
Speaker 5: uh so, yeah, I just think I think that guy's
Speaker 5: just rage now. I think I don't even think it
Speaker 5: gets to a personal level.
Speaker 3: For it's probably.
Speaker 1: I think that's right.
Speaker 2: I think that's yeah. I think I think it's so.
Speaker 2: It's also so early in the Vader run, like he's
Speaker 2: so he's just baby Vader. He's baby Vader, and his
Speaker 2: rage is just like bubbling over like at everything. I
Speaker 2: don't even think that there is a point to it
Speaker 2: or a focus to it.
Speaker 3: It's I think a recognition somewhere deep inside that would
Speaker 3: add more rage. But I think you guys are right.
Speaker 3: I don't think he like remembers who this is from
Speaker 3: a story he was told. Okay, so Maul is getting
Speaker 3: like torn the fuck up. It's not going well. He's
Speaker 3: having to shake his little leg every so often, he's
Speaker 3: getting chopped in the leg. Like it's going badly. He
Speaker 3: escapes with Daky and Devon and the three of them
Speaker 3: have to work. I did love this moment, like this
Speaker 3: is the kind of shit I need to see. Show
Speaker 3: me what the force costs, show me how powerful one
Speaker 3: person is because they have to do so little compared
Speaker 3: to what other people have to do. So there's this
Speaker 3: great moment where Devon, Ducky and more are unning away
Speaker 3: and they're trying to pull down these rocks on Vader
Speaker 3: and all three of them have to team up to
Speaker 3: pull down the rocks, and as Vader walks through, he
Speaker 3: just clenches his fist yeah, and then just gets rid
Speaker 3: of all the rocks. He does so like what the
Speaker 3: three of them can do, Like he can do it
Speaker 3: with no effort.
Speaker 2: I love the Vader like Italian man gesture.
Speaker 3: Yes the rock. He's so good and uh. While all
Speaker 3: of that is going on, Dryden Voss is calling Vario
Speaker 3: and he's like, hey, how's Maudling? Is he ready to
Speaker 3: be picked up? Is that gonna go fine? I have
Speaker 3: to say, look, Varrio, he's a little snitch, right, he's
Speaker 3: a little troublemaker. He's a double crosser, he's a heel turner.
Speaker 3: But he actually does try his best in this moment
Speaker 3: to warn Voss. He's like, hey, so something's going down here,
Speaker 3: maybe don't come here. And Voss is like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Busy and extremely gay, I don't know this version of
Speaker 3: forces that they're doing. But it's like this family. He's like, Darling, please,
Speaker 3: I'm too busy. Like I can't. He's like, please, Darling,
Speaker 3: I can't listen to this. I can't listen to just
Speaker 3: stories about the empire Darling no, and he puts down
Speaker 3: the phone and he's just like, I can't do it.
Speaker 3: It's like, what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2: Listen to the math the two of them, Varrio and
Speaker 2: Voss on the phone together. It's like this weird battling
Speaker 2: of archetypical like character executions that.
Speaker 3: Is extremely George Lucas in the nineties very much. Sarah
Speaker 3: More and Dakie try to, like Jedi Sith manipulate Devin,
Speaker 3: and they're like like, oh, you should do what the
Speaker 3: Siths say, you should be racheful. No, you should do
Speaker 3: what the Jedi say, be calm, while they're also trying
Speaker 3: to work out who this armored madman with the sabers
Speaker 3: who's hunting them down. I feel like Daki, as an
Speaker 3: elder Jedi, you should probably have heard fucking rumors about
Speaker 3: this or something or felt something in the force of
Speaker 3: disturbance in the Force, but sure all comes clean about
Speaker 3: being trained by Sidius to Devon. Daki sends Devon ahead
Speaker 3: and is like, I'm gonna help more and they're kind
Speaker 3: of arguing over philosophy in another iconic moment that I
Speaker 3: have to say makes this show all worth it for me.
Speaker 3: They're arguing about Jedi cif philosophy, and Vader just punches
Speaker 3: through the wall like the fucking cool a man boom.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, scary ass shit, it's actually really scary. Vader
Speaker 3: Devin hunts for a way out. She ends up on
Speaker 3: this kind of like Legend of the Hidden Temple s yes,
Speaker 3: Scrianna Jones type situation, and she has to face down
Speaker 3: the Inquisitors as Daki and Moore face down Vader. And
Speaker 3: then those two separate fights, which are really again really fun,
Speaker 3: really well choreographed, they merge into a fight of three,
Speaker 3: you know, the Jedi Sith versus the Inquisitors. It is
Speaker 3: really really crazy. We get multiple double sided lightsabers. It's
Speaker 3: very fun, and you're like, this is great. I love
Speaker 3: Star Wars. And then you're like, what if we went
Speaker 3: to a cop who was just shooting like fifty people. Hey,
Speaker 3: there we are laws and kills like a ton of
Speaker 3: stormtroopers in the Janet's Jungle. He is on fire. I
Speaker 3: have not seen him be this good at being a cop.
Speaker 3: This is clearly what he's good at. Like, he is
Speaker 3: not good at solving a crime, but he can shoot
Speaker 3: a man in the chest quick time. And he's shooting them.
Speaker 3: He kills a ton of them. They try and meet
Speaker 3: the gang and catch Ross's transport. Two Boots comes up
Speaker 3: with a new plan. He's fully into the rebellion. Now
Speaker 3: he's like, fuck it, I can't snitch anymore. What do
Speaker 3: I get dopamine from? Now? He gets it from blowing
Speaker 3: up the Stormtroopers shuttle. I love this insane plan. So
Speaker 3: they can somehow escape. How are they gonna do it? Well,
Speaker 3: Varrio will be a distraction because that's always what he is,
Speaker 3: and the laws in family will team up to do
Speaker 3: some more extra judicial stormtrooper killing. So two Boots kill
Speaker 3: blows up the Stormtrooper shuttle with this absolutely sick like
Speaker 3: I don't know space berzooka more and Daki managed to
Speaker 3: stave off Vader, and it all seems to have been
Speaker 3: worth it because Voss's shit begins to arrive and you think, Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe this insane plan has happened. But unfortunately, well fortunately
Speaker 3: maybe depending on which side you see it. Unfortunately, two
Speaker 3: bad dads do not make it, as both Daki and
Speaker 3: Lawson are way laid. This is crazy. Daki is fucking
Speaker 3: killed by Vader in an absolutely insane sequence where he
Speaker 3: is essentially whipping Daki with his lightsaber. It's one of
Speaker 3: the craziest things I've ever seen. He does it like
Speaker 3: five times, and then just in the perfect timing, as
Speaker 3: Devon walks through the trees to find her master, she's
Speaker 3: been distracted by his pay. In a disturbance in the Force,
Speaker 3: she sees Vader stab him right through the heart, cementing
Speaker 3: obviously her path to the dark side alongside Shadowy Grace Side.
Speaker 3: I do believe side. It does feel like they're setting
Speaker 3: her up to have a two sided lightsaber, one side blue,
Speaker 3: one side red from what we see here, so I'm
Speaker 3: very into that. Alas laws and sacrifices himself for his
Speaker 3: son in two Boots, seemingly dying getting left behind on
Speaker 3: the planet, but we never see a body, so I
Speaker 3: presume he comes back.
Speaker 2: He disappears into the mists.
Speaker 3: He's got the gun, like I'm assuming that he's going
Speaker 3: to come back. In season two, Devin's anger at Daki's
Speaker 3: death finally encourages her to team up with More and
Speaker 3: use her rage to defeat the Inquisitors. And this is
Speaker 3: perfect for More, who now has a willing apprentice, but
Speaker 3: also like now he also has two boots and Riley
Speaker 3: on this fucking transport. Voss and Moore make an uneasy
Speaker 3: act to both keep their sides of the plans, and
Speaker 3: Devin looks at the red labor lightsaber that Mole had
Speaker 3: previously split with her during one of the fights and
Speaker 3: grips it thinking about her new Sith path, and she says, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm ready.
Speaker 2: Let's take a break and then we'll be right back
Speaker 2: to talk about these epworks.
Speaker 1: How we're back. I will readter it again.
Speaker 2: I thought this in terms of action, it was just
Speaker 2: like absolutely amazing, I will say. And you could just
Speaker 2: through the recap you could feel it. I mean there's
Speaker 2: like fifty Stormtroopers that die in this episode, dude, in
Speaker 2: the brutal like getting sliced in half and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 3: It also remind me of as well that we haven't
Speaker 3: seen for a long time. I feel like we haven't
Speaker 3: seen this many lightsabers in a fight since the Mace
Speaker 3: windw Jedi kind of battle and the prequels.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it up, kids, it was bright
Speaker 1: as hell. It was.
Speaker 3: We used to have like fifty lightsabers at time battling
Speaker 3: back then. This is a high amount, like ten lightsabers
Speaker 3: at a time, like is pretty great, like delightful?
Speaker 1: Yeah, come apart like sabers a twirl, like throwing them
Speaker 1: like frisbees.
Speaker 3: Exact, very very postcause.
Speaker 5: I okay, many thoughts. First, Stormtroopers. Now, I know storm
Speaker 5: Troopers can't aim. The helmets still have good eyelines that
Speaker 5: we've talked about this, but when you are stepping out
Speaker 5: of the fog as an already united line on an unsuspected.
Speaker 3: No one, this.
Speaker 1: Is a new loaf for the storm Troopers.
Speaker 3: No, it's running away just like fucking shooting. You're getting
Speaker 3: shot in the back by a kid dude that is
Speaker 3: a cop and he's just been traded anything.
Speaker 1: It was insane to me, like this is too close to.
Speaker 3: Close again, young audience too, because I do think even
Speaker 3: though we will get into the body count, I do
Speaker 3: feel like they didn't kill the characters with steaks, like
Speaker 3: the young characters, the characters we've really been following, like
Speaker 3: the characters who did die.
Speaker 2: I'll say too that there's a there's a middle ground
Speaker 2: like we've seen and we are engaged with in this
Speaker 2: in this show, multiple characters with limb replacements.
Speaker 1: So he gets shot in the arm. Somebody could get
Speaker 1: shot in the leg.
Speaker 3: To emerge as a sick. Disability cultures so many disabled characters.
Speaker 2: To emerge unscathed. Riley to emerge unscathed from this for
Speaker 2: Never Die, Yeah, I mean he sees his dad murder
Speaker 2: fifty people.
Speaker 3: I know, I.
Speaker 5: Was like, oh, man, shout out to the voice. That
Speaker 5: act of the pain was palpable. But I agree, you know, Jason,
Speaker 5: you you were talking in the breakdown a little bit
Speaker 5: about the quality of animation around the fight seeds and
Speaker 5: the aerial battles, and I couldn't agree more. Everything looks
Speaker 5: really beautiful. But I think what was sort of disheartening
Speaker 5: for me was like a lot of times in Clone Wars,
Speaker 5: the battles are still emotionally yes, exactly like you're You're
Speaker 5: set to another shadow if we if we think about
Speaker 5: even let's use some characters we have here, the mall
Speaker 5: and a Sosoca lightsaber battle and season seven of Clone Wars,
Speaker 5: the show came back so many times. Guys, I'm sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was definitely the last one. Uh, You're they're jumping
Speaker 5: around in space on different platforms.
Speaker 1: Tension is so high.
Speaker 5: You had only just learned how Mall dies from a
Speaker 5: different series, and and coming into this moment, you're aware
Speaker 5: that Mal could live, You're not I'm sure Asoka is
Speaker 5: gonna live, because we don't really know where her story
Speaker 5: goes in canon. At this point, you're on pins and needles,
Speaker 5: and each swing is hurting you because you're so empathetic
Speaker 5: for both of these characters.
Speaker 1: If I, if I.
Speaker 5: Think about some of our better moments in Clone Wars
Speaker 5: even again, we can take Mal's death when he faces
Speaker 5: Obi Wi in the final Samurai battle. Not a lot
Speaker 5: happened in there, but the charge tension between the moments,
Speaker 5: the final snap of it pacing wise again just stunning,
Speaker 5: and I felt as cool as they were, I felt
Speaker 5: That's kind of all I was left with, was like, oh,
Speaker 5: it's so cool, which.
Speaker 3: I personally do agree that. I think I was thinking
Speaker 3: about this a lot because obviously it's only it's ten episodes,
Speaker 3: the half an hour each, basically five hours of storytelling, right, Like,
Speaker 3: I get it. But at the same time, I have
Speaker 3: watched the show before, like think about and or right
Speaker 3: sorry again, like don't make and or if you don't
Speaker 3: want everything to be compared to and or Right Sorry,
Speaker 3: But like By the time you're five episodes in to
Speaker 3: Andle and people are dying, you care so deeply about
Speaker 3: the characters who are dying, you cry when they die.
Speaker 3: Their words become a motto for the entire show. I
Speaker 3: wish I could have felt that about Rook cast about
Speaker 3: one character, about the Zebracs, about.
Speaker 5: By Darth Vader in arguably a very cool way. And
Speaker 5: it's so forgettable at the end of the.
Speaker 3: Day, I know, and I'm sad about it because like
Speaker 3: I want, I want that to Matt more. I want
Speaker 3: to feel it more, you know, I just I just
Speaker 3: feel like the emotional aspects of it didn't hit for me.
Speaker 3: I wasn't as immersed in that emotional world.
Speaker 2: The Zebras kind of throwaway deaths was very disheartening. It
Speaker 2: was very disheartening because, like again, I think.
Speaker 3: It just feels like there's so much to explore there.
Speaker 2: Well, I think what Joelle, I think what you're saying is,
Speaker 2: and this is I think a very favorite critique is
Speaker 2: the best kind of action is storytelle action. It's like
Speaker 2: action that develops that moves the story forward, that moves
Speaker 2: the character forward. And you know, what do we know
Speaker 2: about mal from the episode two episodes ago. We know
Speaker 2: that he's searching, grasping for this found family around himself,
Speaker 2: and so you want it to mean more when he's
Speaker 2: losing exactly all of them in that found family and
Speaker 2: they're falling all around him and it doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: matter to him. Now, there's a haircut on that, which
Speaker 2: is that's actually kind of a cool character too, one
Speaker 2: that like in their mind they use this idea of
Speaker 2: found family, they desire that, but really what they're about
Speaker 2: is the selfish accumulation of power, you know, like they
Speaker 2: say that, but that's propaganda.
Speaker 5: They told Yes, I would be elated if that was
Speaker 5: That's the other problem I think is like the name
Speaker 5: of the show is a problem. And I'm a big
Speaker 5: leader that titles do have importance in inpat I do
Speaker 5: you cannot call this shit. I have not seen him
Speaker 5: be a shadow lord, not once in this series. Most
Speaker 5: people know who he is, except for the main detective
Speaker 5: who probably should have known.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: You don't see him covertly pulling the strings. Do You
Speaker 5: kind of see him lure a pad one? But there's
Speaker 5: something so just like selfish and lonely about that. It
Speaker 5: doesn't read like calculating shaddle.
Speaker 3: No, and also like Veda, if Veada hadn't have killed
Speaker 3: how Mass that she would have never done. So it
Speaker 3: does that even really count as more alluring at her
Speaker 3: in that way? You know, like I don't. I think
Speaker 3: you're right, Jewel, there's not enough machinations, not puppeteering.
Speaker 2: To both of your points, there is a passivity of
Speaker 2: the main characters here where it's like all of them
Speaker 2: are just kind of running and reacting to events. Vario
Speaker 2: is the one setting up these deals with Voss and
Speaker 2: all these meetings and stuff. Maul is not putting any
Speaker 2: of that into into motion. Even it's you know, at
Speaker 2: a certain point he's like, yeah, well Crimson down has
Speaker 2: betrayed me before, and but but he still goes along
Speaker 2: with it. He has nothing other thing, you know, on
Speaker 2: the thing to propose. And I think that while I
Speaker 2: did I love these finalties, I really did think they
Speaker 2: were great, and certainly from an action side, I do
Speaker 2: think that there is like they could be more active
Speaker 2: in their own stories and they're just not.
Speaker 3: M I think for me that was like that was
Speaker 3: the thing where in these two episodes, even though I
Speaker 3: did love the action, I love some character moments. I
Speaker 3: even I even got like a minor chill when Devon
Speaker 3: at the end was like I'm ready because I I
Speaker 3: again like before the Acolyte, we had really rarely seen
Speaker 3: like the actual luring, the actual conversation how somebody gets
Speaker 3: turned to the dark side. So obviously that's very appealing,
Speaker 3: right and to it, But also why isn't that the
Speaker 3: entire first season of this show? Like I don't get
Speaker 3: why we started where we started and why we ended
Speaker 3: where we ended, because this essentially hasn't told me anything
Speaker 3: new about more. It feels like it was all leading
Speaker 3: to the Mall and Vada fight, but no offense to
Speaker 3: the creative team because it was extremely fucking cool. That
Speaker 3: could have been halfway through the season, and it that
Speaker 3: have been. It didn't need to be the final big reveal,
Speaker 3: Like the show in itself can be good enough, has
Speaker 3: the potential to be good enough without having to rely
Speaker 3: on old legacy characters, especially even though that was a
Speaker 3: sick fight. I just feel like Darth Vader shouldn't be
Speaker 3: getting the best scene in the Darth Maul's show, you know,
Speaker 3: Like and I do I do think that while I
Speaker 3: thought it was extremely cool to see mare Get his
Speaker 3: fucking ass just absolutely demolished. Like that worked for me, Like,
Speaker 3: I think that that's realistic to the characters. I think
Speaker 3: it's cool. I think it's a fun subversion of our
Speaker 3: expectations because more so well known for being such an
Speaker 3: incredible fighter, but we're also seeing more at his lowest,
Speaker 3: But like where was Maul's moment? Like that, like where
Speaker 3: was the moment he was a great genius, a great machinator.
Speaker 3: Where was the moment? And he wasn't just on the
Speaker 3: run and in that case call it like mare Ronan
Speaker 3: or something like, you know, more like on the outside.
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of almost more like the Obi
Speaker 3: Wan show we got where it's more about more living
Speaker 3: under the radar, also outer just like Daki has got
Speaker 3: to be up there with like worst z list worst
Speaker 3: ever Jedi Masters, Like could never come out with a
Speaker 3: worst Jedi Master than Daphy.
Speaker 1: First of all, I want it.
Speaker 5: Jason has this amazing thought of like what if this
Speaker 5: show is really trying to tackle the idea that like
Speaker 5: the Jedi are inefficient and fish and like really taking
Speaker 5: an analytical look at their rules and organization, which I loved.
Speaker 1: We said probably wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 3: It was definitely not gonna happen.
Speaker 5: And where Mal is like use your rage, and you're like, okay,
Speaker 5: rage literally lind you you cannot think through things logically.
Speaker 5: This is a dumb piece of advice to give to someone,
Speaker 5: but it's very classic Moll.
Speaker 1: We know he's going to do that.
Speaker 5: And the counter was just completely like finally the right
Speaker 5: thing to do, where you're like, hey, just go help
Speaker 5: that kid and like think through your steps and we'll
Speaker 5: probably survive this, like you've got the training, like just
Speaker 5: think about it. I was frustrated it because I was
Speaker 5: a part of me had started to hope that okay,
Speaker 5: well maybe all the way through we'll get a docy
Speaker 5: who's like just peace and resist, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Finally I was the right thing to do, Like yes.
Speaker 5: And I think to your point earlier, Rosie, it makes
Speaker 5: it challenging to be excited about. And I mean, listen,
Speaker 5: ask me if I want a season two.
Speaker 3: I do well now.
Speaker 5: I think one whether I wanted it or not, but
Speaker 5: I'm excited where we left off. It just feels like
Speaker 5: a mid season break. And I think too, like where
Speaker 5: we go off is not the strongest for like these characters.
Speaker 5: I was confused when they started breaking up over the
Speaker 5: like toxic sludge pool. I was like, why would you
Speaker 5: send your weakest characters? You would send part of the
Speaker 5: first then your weakest characters, and then you would do
Speaker 5: like the last MA would probably be last.
Speaker 1: But they didn't so we could get this clean.
Speaker 3: Break two x mark in a toxic waste you know,
Speaker 3: Like it's like that was not expected that they would
Speaker 3: just find a toxic wastefool that they could.
Speaker 1: But left no go ahead, go ahead. I was just
Speaker 1: I'll just wrap them up very quickly.
Speaker 5: I wish we had left these characters off in a
Speaker 5: place where, like if we had seen young laws and
Speaker 5: make a dramatic change after his father dies and he's
Speaker 5: like no, actually I'm getting.
Speaker 1: My mom involved now, and you're all fucked.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah mom.
Speaker 1: Or two boots like ping.
Speaker 5: The black police guy we don't know that much about,
Speaker 5: and see if he'll like come out like any kind
Speaker 5: of shift to be like I'm not aligned or reliant completely.
Speaker 1: That's the way where he's.
Speaker 3: Just like actually, like what the fuck are youtuboe talking about?
Speaker 3: Like what's this SITH thing? Like I want to take
Speaker 3: down the people who separated me from my diry too.
Speaker 5: I mean some kind of in these characters, like direct
Speaker 5: dynamic of their relationship, so that when we come back,
Speaker 5: we're like, ooh, where does this go? As opposed to
Speaker 5: everyone's kind of lost and again all we could do
Speaker 5: is be reactionary to our situation.
Speaker 1: It's just I there's so much, not enough. I remain just.
Speaker 2: To hit this point again with with the characters. I
Speaker 2: here's the thing I think is really interesting. Daki, for
Speaker 2: all his selflessness and you know, it's all about everybody
Speaker 2: else and Jedi's protect they don't attack and they defend.
Speaker 2: For Dakie to be the one like okay, I'll go yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, Yeah, I'll get out of here.
Speaker 1: Let me get out of here.
Speaker 2: And you got these guys great for that is an
Speaker 2: interesting choice. If Devin sees that and goes, wait, what
Speaker 2: like yeah, very interesting that all of a sudden, now
Speaker 2: when it's you, you decide that selflessness is not the way.
Speaker 2: That's like, if there was, if there was a cost
Speaker 2: to that, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it. If Season two actually utilizes
Speaker 3: Daky's uselessness as part of her seduction to the dark
Speaker 3: side because more can point out, like Jason said, look
Speaker 3: at all this fucked up shit E did. Look what
Speaker 3: he told you you needed to go to prison because
Speaker 3: you stole an apple. Look At when you fucking like
Speaker 3: let you get lured by me and didn't come and
Speaker 3: escape and help you, and I had to rescue you.
Speaker 3: And now look at this moment where he ran away
Speaker 3: when he was needed. You know, I think that could
Speaker 3: actually be really interesting. I also I am interested because Jason,
Speaker 3: I love that kind of point you made about like
Speaker 3: what if he just he aspires for these Faum families
Speaker 3: but they never really kind of come to pass in
Speaker 3: the way he wants. So I think season two does
Speaker 3: have an interest chance to go two ways. I think
Speaker 3: it will probably go the first way, which I'm going
Speaker 3: to say, which is basically like, now he has this unexpected,
Speaker 3: uncurated found family and it will work because two Boots
Speaker 3: and Riley will be a part of it. I don't
Speaker 3: want to see that version, but it seems in line
Speaker 3: with what they've done. Second version is he ends up
Speaker 3: with these two people who are not useful to him
Speaker 3: at all and suddenly has to realize this that the
Speaker 3: facade must drop because they're basically keeping mine, and we
Speaker 3: do get to explore that.
Speaker 2: Well, what what I was proposing in those two ideas
Speaker 2: also work. What I was proposing was more of a
Speaker 2: cult leader angle, where it's likely a family. We're a family,
Speaker 2: like we it's us against the world, like join with me,
Speaker 2: like the world is shit on us, and I care
Speaker 2: about you. I'm not like everybody else. I want to
Speaker 2: I want us all to win together, you know, like
Speaker 2: as a family.
Speaker 1: And in reality, that's.
Speaker 2: A that's just a pitch. These these people die all
Speaker 2: around him. He doesn't even bat a fucking eye. Now,
Speaker 2: what makes that, what makes that complex and cool is
Speaker 2: we saw the scene where he's tortured over the death
Speaker 2: of his actual family. So there's this It makes it
Speaker 2: complex if that's what they were going for.
Speaker 1: Where he thinks he's doing that.
Speaker 2: It's not like he's he's not a strategic he's not
Speaker 2: a strategic cult leader. Where he's like using this pitch
Speaker 2: to do this, he's like he's to a certain extent,
Speaker 2: emotionally blinded to the fact that this is what he's doing.
Speaker 2: He's truly hurting about the fact that he's lost his family,
Speaker 2: but on top of that, he doesn't care about these
Speaker 2: people the way he thinks he does.
Speaker 1: He doesn't care about them, and so that's interesting.
Speaker 5: That is very interesting. And to you know, if we
Speaker 5: put our Star Wars fan hats on, which is to say,
Speaker 5: we'll do the.
Speaker 1: Labor, don't worry, He's got.
Speaker 3: It. Is all like.
Speaker 5: That, we got this, We got this. I will say
Speaker 5: Mal's look of satisfaction when Daki is dead, He's like daughter.
Speaker 5: I was like, this is the ball I've been waiting for.
Speaker 5: And if I can talk about some of my favorite
Speaker 5: moments from these episodes, I will be in the conversation
Speaker 5: where they're negotiating. Now, do I wish there had been
Speaker 5: more machinations at the end of the day, Yes, But
Speaker 5: to see Mall at the head of the table, do
Speaker 5: you one is questioning?
Speaker 1: Like you know Le, I was like, this is what
Speaker 1: I've been waiting all season for.
Speaker 5: Like this Mall in his element cooking like I found
Speaker 5: that very satisfactory. I also did appreciate the performance on Devin.
Speaker 5: I think both people who uh Devin and young loss
Speaker 5: and when uh, you know, the dads die, I thought that.
Speaker 1: Tension was really great.
Speaker 5: And you know, we were talking earlier about the fact
Speaker 5: that this is a it is a kid's show. In America,
Speaker 5: you cannot show like red blood. That's why a lot
Speaker 5: of things ooze green when people die. I love the
Speaker 5: way Avatar The Last Airbender had a lot of very
Speaker 5: powerful emotional death sines.
Speaker 3: I still think about when returns to the Air Temple
Speaker 3: and finds out all his friends are dead.
Speaker 5: I stout that so so chilling, and that's like episode three.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's really early in the series.
Speaker 5: I thought Lawson kind of going off into the smoke
Speaker 5: and giving his son the last like, hey, I know
Speaker 5: I could have been better. I'm literally about to die
Speaker 5: in front of you. This maybe also could have been
Speaker 5: better lost and I don't want to give you notes.
Speaker 5: It was kind of a g thing to do, but
Speaker 5: also uh rather reckless uh for a lot of different ways.
Speaker 5: But I thought, like him just going into the fog
Speaker 5: was rather effective overall.
Speaker 3: So I do.
Speaker 1: I do think that, oh.
Speaker 5: Oh, the close ups of mall at the end, like
Speaker 5: just the brushstroke were and the level of detailed animators
Speaker 5: have put into this. It really allows you to sort
Speaker 5: of read re emotion. I saw they filmed a lot
Speaker 5: of sam we're delivering its lines with Mal's face paint
Speaker 5: so they could up his face and the way he
Speaker 5: pronounced annunciates words, And I think all of that hard
Speaker 5: work really paid off in the end, Like.
Speaker 1: There we got some really beautiful moments.
Speaker 5: And if you stretch and pull yourself to say, I
Speaker 5: know Mal so well, I can read between all of
Speaker 5: these lines. I do think there's a lot of exciting
Speaker 5: stuff just around the corner, Like hopefully we do get
Speaker 5: a lot more machinations in the next season, Hopefully we
Speaker 5: learn more about Devin than she's just angry.
Speaker 1: If I tried to.
Speaker 5: Describe Devin, I wouldn't know what to say other than
Speaker 5: she's like a she's a Twilight.
Speaker 3: And I don't even know what like one hobby is,
Speaker 3: Like everyone in Star Wars has like a thing, whether
Speaker 3: it's being a pilot, shooting one frats, whatever, Like what
Speaker 3: does she do?
Speaker 1: Good? She can fly? But is that what she loves? Joelle.
Speaker 2: That's a good point, because I want to say the
Speaker 2: one thing that is missing in Star Wars, and I
Speaker 2: would say, like almost all Star Wars writ large, is
Speaker 2: I want these various aliens to come with some kind
Speaker 2: of imprint of the culture that they were raised yes,
Speaker 2: who the story.
Speaker 3: Bang away to put.
Speaker 2: Everybody's just too homogeneous. And that goes double for the
Speaker 2: for the animated series, which I get like it is
Speaker 2: for kids, but the fact that there's no oh, you know,
Speaker 2: and we say this where I'm from or has some
Speaker 2: kind of from there, you know, from their past because
Speaker 2: some of this, but it's like not enough.
Speaker 3: I think a lot about how remember in the Force awakens,
Speaker 3: right when Ray makes that bread that's like it's like
Speaker 3: water and powder and it pops up and it's That
Speaker 3: was like such a huge, silent little moment, but everyone
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, We've never seen that kind
Speaker 3: of food before. Like what does this tell us about her?
Speaker 3: Those are the moments we're missing. It's the same we
Speaker 3: got them. Actually ironically in Ahsoka. I think a lot
Speaker 3: about the Sabine stuff and like the Lothcats and the
Speaker 3: quiet little bits of time we got with them. I
Speaker 3: understand that they're on the run, it's a heist, it's
Speaker 3: a crime show, blah blah blah blah. But like, I
Speaker 3: don't know anything, Devin. Does she even listen to like
Speaker 3: space music? You know what I mean? Like I don't
Speaker 3: know anything. I am excited to see where they go
Speaker 3: with it in season two. But I was gonna ask
Speaker 3: you guys, like, once you've had darth More fight Vader,
Speaker 3: like who even where do you even go with season two?
Speaker 3: Like what's your big thing for season two? What's your
Speaker 3: big conflicting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really feel like we got our two jealous
Speaker 5: girlfriends here. They were going at it once found out
Speaker 5: like she's way more conditioned than I am. So Mal's
Speaker 5: gonna have to do what he can do better than Vader,
Speaker 5: which is I think on his own in season two.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 5: I wonder now, like you know, if you've read like
Speaker 5: in Vader and Throng, like go on a hunting Mission
Speaker 5: was one of my favorite stories. It's so delightful. I
Speaker 5: really hope we kind of I would love to see
Speaker 5: Thron pop up in this. I'm not gonna lie, Like,
Speaker 5: imagine Vader and Thron hunting Mall and he's got to
Speaker 5: like outsmart them with the syndicate. That's truly interesting.
Speaker 1: And I think two knowing.
Speaker 5: How much time is there between because yeah, because if
Speaker 5: Luke is like a baby right now where we are
Speaker 5: in the Mall storyline, he's like two or three. But
Speaker 5: we know that we're getting a young Han Solo Sore
Speaker 5: are like ten years between them, so we've got like
Speaker 5: probably seven or eight years roughly where Mall is at
Speaker 5: the head of this syndicate. Yeah, because he dies when
Speaker 5: Luke is about like ten or twelve. Yeah, you're Luke
Speaker 5: in the background on the planet. Okay, I'm in it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think we've got a lot of time
Speaker 5: hoping he's either Season two is like a large span
Speaker 5: of time that we're covering and we end the story
Speaker 5: in a really cool way, or we're gonna have to
Speaker 5: not get to the Emperor next season and you're gonna
Speaker 5: have to do like a thron Vader team up where
Speaker 5: they're fighting.
Speaker 1: And then we're leading into season three with.
Speaker 3: The season two hardcore crime actual dim running it like
Speaker 3: a crime boss could do a good time film for
Speaker 3: season three where you kind of have those big connections.
Speaker 3: I would love to see it. I'm interested. I haven't
Speaker 3: really seen any toys or any of the things that
Speaker 3: usually signify that they think they're going to keep making
Speaker 3: more seasons of these shows, but we do know that
Speaker 3: they're gonna make a season two. Okay, if you guys
Speaker 3: were gonna get one action figure from this show. Which
Speaker 3: character would you want?
Speaker 2: One of the Zabraks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with that nice little dramatic.
Speaker 2: Mask and that little mask over the face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was pretty bad ass.
Speaker 5: I want, you know, the really large figure in Sandy's
Speaker 5: that are like action pieces frozen in time. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: want like Mal and Devin fighting Smark Merrick.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think like all of their blaze, it's crossed.
Speaker 5: Like a.
Speaker 3: Big Toys situation. Yeah. I I would probably go for Darth,
Speaker 3: most funny ass little droid. He's the most like little guy, energy,
Speaker 3: love spy. He's like my show.
Speaker 1: He's just kills.
Speaker 3: He's got like big evil like John.
Speaker 2: And Evil you die.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean great jobs. We can't wait to
Speaker 3: see more care. There'd be more and more mawl in
Speaker 3: it next time, fingers cowl.
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