WEBVTT - My Revenge Bod

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Arm Strong and Getty and he Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was

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<v Speaker 3>can you explain the direancy?

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<v Speaker 4>All I said on this was is I got there

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<v Speaker 4>that summer and misspoke on this, So I will just

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<v Speaker 4>that's what I've said. So I was in Hong Kong

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<v Speaker 4>and China during the democracy protest went in and from

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<v Speaker 4>that I learned a lot of what needed to be

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<v Speaker 4>in governance.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Governor.

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<v Speaker 2>I found that perfectly satisfiying.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a good moment for Margaret Brennan, who I

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<v Speaker 1>am about to complain about because it was just horrific

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<v Speaker 1>the moderation.

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<v Speaker 2>But she didn't follow up on that.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't get let him get away with not answering

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<v Speaker 1>that question, and then she let that hang there when

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<v Speaker 1>she could have jumped in and rescued him. She just

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<v Speaker 1>let that silence hang there. And you haven't finished your thought,

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<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't make sense. So we're just gonna sit

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<v Speaker 1>here and look at each other for a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>and wonder how you hit.

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<v Speaker 2>So today it was one of those moments.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew McCurry or does anybody want any more potato salad?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew McCarthy of National Review tweeted this out during the debate.

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<v Speaker 1>I was feeling this hard. The media bias in this

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<v Speaker 1>debate is nearly as bad as the Trump hairs debate.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not as evident because Vance has navigated it brilliantly true.

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<v Speaker 1>He also said, after Wall speaks, every CBS question to answer,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than inviting him just to respond, is loaded with

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<v Speaker 1>a diversion, usually framing a Trump position inaccurately. He handles

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<v Speaker 1>it with good cheer and poise, but it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a form of bias.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, just talking about the idea of illegal immigration, perhaps

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<v Speaker 6>kicking certain people out of the country. Are you going

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<v Speaker 6>to separate parents from their children who will be ripped

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<v Speaker 6>crying from the bosom of their mother?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait?

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<v Speaker 7>What, how?

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<v Speaker 2>What this is our immigration question? Yeah? It was unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>And when then we go to Walls, they would just say,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your immigration plan? Let him lay it out with uh.

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<v Speaker 1>With Vance, you try to put him on the defensive

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<v Speaker 1>right from the get going. One more tweet from Andy McCarthy,

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<v Speaker 1>who we've had on the show many times. CBS doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>think anyone sees this. When they ask Vance to respond,

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<v Speaker 1>they loaded the question to Shield Walls. Last answer when

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<v Speaker 1>they ask Walls to respond, it's however you want to respond,

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<v Speaker 1>big guy, and still Vance is in command.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is right.

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<v Speaker 1>Walls would give an answer that it didn't quite make sense,

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<v Speaker 1>and instead of just going to Vans and letting him

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<v Speaker 1>respond to that and point that out, they would, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>try to put him on the defensive with some quote

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<v Speaker 1>often incorrect or fact right.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, a pattern over and over again. So

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<v Speaker 6>Katie Greener esteemed to use woman joins us And this

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<v Speaker 6>is just a quick aside, but I find myself as

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<v Speaker 6>a bit of a wordsmith trying to avoid venting my

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<v Speaker 6>discontent with the moderator ladies by using female specific insults, empathets,

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<v Speaker 6>whatever you want to call it, because it feels sexist

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<v Speaker 6>to me, and it's a funny aspect of the language,

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<v Speaker 6>probably because men and women are very different that if

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<v Speaker 6>I'm angry at the performance of a woman, I'm going

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<v Speaker 6>to go to a woman's specific word. You know what

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<v Speaker 6>I'm saying. Yeah, we all know what that list is

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<v Speaker 6>you as darling woman? Darling is one of them? No,

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<v Speaker 6>it's not on my list, sweems. What list are you

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<v Speaker 6>looking at?

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<v Speaker 2>Sweetheart? There you go?

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<v Speaker 6>Right, So you as a woman, if you are thinking, no,

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<v Speaker 6>O'Donnell and what's her face?

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<v Speaker 2>The Brennan are Margaret? They call her.

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<v Speaker 6>Are doing a terrible job that bias. Would you use

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<v Speaker 6>a female specific term there?

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<v Speaker 5>I think you absolutely could.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean, but you just if you're in

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<v Speaker 2>real life?

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<v Speaker 6>What'd you think of the moderators last night TC?

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<v Speaker 2>There are many options, yeah, many many letters.

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<v Speaker 8>Not to go down the like swear word, call him

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<v Speaker 8>a couple of cat ladies, nitwitz, I like that.

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<v Speaker 6>So I think I just need to go with gender

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<v Speaker 6>neutral terms because I would not want to be thought

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<v Speaker 6>of as a misogynist, because I'm not so just jackass.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course that's male specific, isn't.

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<v Speaker 8>Dang bats Bembo's Bembo's is kind of ama.

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<v Speaker 6>That's female, right, yeah, No, if if it were a fellow,

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<v Speaker 6>I might tie him to his gen and.

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<v Speaker 1>Colin right, yeah, yeah, exactly, you know, might be gentle

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<v Speaker 1>related nickname, but a.

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<v Speaker 5>Couple of jumps, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, I just it's funny anyway.

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<v Speaker 8>I can see what you mean though, because it would

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<v Speaker 8>sound like it degrading, which I don't understand. I don't

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<v Speaker 8>know where in that line of communication that happened.

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<v Speaker 6>But a couple of smug phonies, lying biased advocates for

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<v Speaker 6>one side over the other, pretending to be neutral.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't stand them all. True, but Joe dropped some

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<v Speaker 2>unkind no.

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<v Speaker 6>No, hey, hey, behind closed doors privileged communication, attorney client

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<v Speaker 6>something or other.

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<v Speaker 5>Right ones, though more so than the ones we can

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<v Speaker 5>stay on the air.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well anyway, so, yeah, they're horribly biased. But I

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<v Speaker 6>thought mister Vance held his own quite nicely, and Tim

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<v Speaker 6>Walls came off as a bald headed Sarah Palin. But

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<v Speaker 6>it depends who you ask, what poles you look at.

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<v Speaker 6>It could be the eye of the beholder.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly, Sarah Palin killed in that first debate by the

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<v Speaker 1>way she was in absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it was only later that her lack of depths.

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<v Speaker 2>Walls did not run out.

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<v Speaker 7>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, the short poles are roughly even, I think, because

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<v Speaker 1>so many people are just buried in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm for this side or not or that side. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I would.

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<v Speaker 6>I would love to see them somehow restrict poles, although

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<v Speaker 6>you couldn't too. Are you an undecided voter in a

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<v Speaker 6>swing state? If the answers no move on.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody would love if you could poll just undecided voters

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<v Speaker 1>in swing states that because that's the whole game.

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<v Speaker 6>Well right, Because if you're a decided voter, there's a

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<v Speaker 6>very very small chance that you found jd Vance so

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<v Speaker 6>transcendent you've decided to vote for Trump almosting already decided

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<v Speaker 6>to vote for Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>So those poles are are kind of silly.

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<v Speaker 6>Anyway, to the substance of the debate, the one topic

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<v Speaker 6>everyone can agree is incredibly important, the economy. Michael will

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<v Speaker 6>start with sixty in roll from there.

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<v Speaker 9>A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and

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<v Speaker 9>some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even

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<v Speaker 9>sounds pretty good. Here's what you want here is that

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<v Speaker 9>Kamala Harris has already done it. Because she's been the

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<v Speaker 9>Vice president for three and a half years, she had

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<v Speaker 9>the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and

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<v Speaker 9>what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of

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<v Speaker 9>food higher by twenty five percent, drive the cost of

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<v Speaker 9>housing higher by about sixty percent. Open the American southern

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<v Speaker 9>border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large

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<v Speaker 9>number of Americans. If Kamala Harris has such great plans

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<v Speaker 9>for how to address middle class problems, then she ought

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<v Speaker 9>to do them now, not one asking for promotion, but

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<v Speaker 9>in the job the American people gave her three and

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<v Speaker 9>a half years ago, And the fact that she isn't

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<v Speaker 9>tells you a lot about how much you can trust

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<v Speaker 9>her actual plans.

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<v Speaker 6>Number one theme in our email this morning drop us

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<v Speaker 6>a note mail bag at Armstrong and Geddy dot com.

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<v Speaker 6>Number one theme by far not even close, is I

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<v Speaker 6>wish Jade Vance could be the candidate because he's able

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<v Speaker 6>to clearly articulate the case against Kamala Harris like he

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<v Speaker 6>did right there.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a take by a couple of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite pundits that I was watching last night. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>was a great night for JD. Vance's political career. It

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<v Speaker 1>may not have changed anything with this current presidential election,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was really good for him as a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who's only forty years old and his future in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight thirty two, She's thirty eight, forty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever the next numbers are.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he's only forty and since we're willing to elect

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<v Speaker 1>eighty year old, he's got a long way to go.

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<v Speaker 6>Well now, to be fair, let's give the Florida old

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<v Speaker 6>coach Waltz, who's fresh back from tian Men Square where

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<v Speaker 6>he was participating in the Apollo program.

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<v Speaker 2>Next clip, Michael.

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<v Speaker 4>My pro tip of the day is this, if you

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<v Speaker 4>need heart surgery, listen to the people at the Mayo

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<v Speaker 4>Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 2>Not Donald Trump, Governor.

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<v Speaker 9>You say, trust the experts, But those same experts for

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<v Speaker 9>forty years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base.

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<v Speaker 2>Off to China, we'd get cheaper goods. They lied about that.

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<v Speaker 9>They said if we shipped our industry base off to

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<v Speaker 9>other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere, it would make the

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<v Speaker 9>middle class stronger.

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<v Speaker 2>They were wrong about that.

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<v Speaker 9>They were wrong about the idea that if we made

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<v Speaker 9>America less self reliant, less productive in our own nation,

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<v Speaker 9>that it would somehow make us better off.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were wrong about it.

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<v Speaker 9>And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 9>had the wisdom and the courage to say, to that

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<v Speaker 9>bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm reminded of Churchill's famous rejoinder when he was pointing

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<v Speaker 6>out that he'd changed his position on an issue, and

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<v Speaker 6>he said, the facts have changed, so I've changed my opinion.

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<v Speaker 6>And a lot of the philosophies of the twentieth century

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<v Speaker 6>in terms of trade and economics, I think they're no

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<v Speaker 6>longer valid because the world has changed so much, and

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<v Speaker 6>you're seeing that on the Republican side of the aisle.

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<v Speaker 2>More and more voters are saying, yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>The free trade thing lovely as far as it went,

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<v Speaker 6>but not anymore, especially because we're in bed with our

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<v Speaker 6>greatest geopolitical adversary, that is, as we speak, figuring out

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<v Speaker 6>how to bring us to Ruin through every gizmo they

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<v Speaker 6>send us and every bit of trade they engage in.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no specific questions about China at all, or

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<v Speaker 1>the war between Russia and Ukraine, or the debt. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course that never comes up. Debt and spending never comes up,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's that's not unique here.

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<v Speaker 2>It is part is an issue in its way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy that Ukraine and Russia didn't come up, especially

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<v Speaker 1>since jd. Vance is a pretty extreme position on it,

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<v Speaker 1>has said some pretty extreme things about it. I'm surprised

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't use that as an opportunity to attack him,

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<v Speaker 1>but that, yeah, didn't come up abortion. We like half

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<v Speaker 1>the debate a climate change for like the other half

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<v Speaker 1>of the debate abortion climate change.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, if you're just tuning in and sometimes we forget

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<v Speaker 6>that people you know, come and go and the rest

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<v Speaker 6>of it. It was much more gentlemanly and policy focused

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<v Speaker 6>than any debate for quite a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 6>It was very very good in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 6>The moderating wasolutely terrible, and it was weird that they

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<v Speaker 6>steered clear of those issues Jack just mentioned. But they

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<v Speaker 6>made it seem like the average American woman has an

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<v Speaker 6>abortion about as frequently as she goes to the grocery

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<v Speaker 6>store once every week or so at least, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>like abortion is it's the topic you talk about every

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<v Speaker 6>day among the family.

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<v Speaker 2>Have any abortions today, honey?

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<v Speaker 10>No?

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<v Speaker 2>But work was good. It's amazing, it is. It absolutely is.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and by the way, and I've had this story

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<v Speaker 1>for weeks and haven't gotten to it because I'm never

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<v Speaker 1>in the mood to talk about late term abortion or infanticide.

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<v Speaker 2>But Tim Walls is.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely freaking either wrong or lying depending on what his

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<v Speaker 1>motives are about his role in that law and babies

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<v Speaker 1>in Minnesota and babies surviving abortions and whether they die.

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<v Speaker 1>The Dispatch had a fact check on her last night,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's hardly a news organization in America. I trust

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<v Speaker 1>more than the Dispatch to get it right. And they

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<v Speaker 1>have the statistics eight babies died after an abortion because

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<v Speaker 1>of they don't offer the services to keep them alive,

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<v Speaker 1>as signed by Tim Wall specifically.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know there was no fact checking on that

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<v Speaker 2>last night.

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<v Speaker 6>No, indeed, and that is absolutely provable. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 6>do more on the economy, but we rented and raved

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<v Speaker 6>too much, sez too Yes, please stop yelling at me,

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<v Speaker 6>So now is the perfect time to call her friends

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because a lot of people have run up their

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<v Speaker 11>If you are for rights in the five six point

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<v Speaker 11>about credit cards in terms.

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<v Speaker 5>Armstrong and Yetti, I'll get this.

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<v Speaker 12>In a new swing state, Paul Harris is losing voters

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<v Speaker 12>aged sixty five and older by seven points. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 12>seems like older voters might be her biggest weakness, which

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<v Speaker 12>explains why she changed her campaign slogan a few times recently.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look at this.

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<v Speaker 12>Kamala twenty twenty four, A chair in every shower.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at this one.

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<v Speaker 12>Here is Kama twenty two five, where your glasses are

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<v Speaker 12>on your head, you're welcome. And finally there's Kamala twenty

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<v Speaker 12>twenty four. I'm going to find out where that draft

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<v Speaker 12>is coming from.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, wow, it's cold right every No, I don't. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't appreciate the you know, having.

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<v Speaker 1>Sport with the older voter at a restaurant the other night,

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<v Speaker 1>and I brought up a cold draft at the restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>to the waiter. Oh, my kids mocked me endlessly for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Katie's Katie's look on your face?

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<v Speaker 2>What? What did?

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<v Speaker 8>What did the sweet waitress say when you brought up

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<v Speaker 8>a cold draft?

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<v Speaker 1>Jack, I said, hasn't anybody ever said that before? She said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>put on a shawl or stay at home and you're

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<v Speaker 1>really hot, hot house grandpa.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's funny. It was freezing.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been that cold in a restaurant in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Something had gone wrong. It's also like the chair in

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<v Speaker 1>the shower joke, that's pretty funny. It's Fat Bear Week

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<v Speaker 1>in Alaska, and Joe said, oh, I love Fat Bear Week.

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<v Speaker 6>What's fat I'm a big fan, big fan. They've got

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<v Speaker 6>these bear cams where the bears are in the rivers

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<v Speaker 6>fishing for the salmon, and and everybody votes on which

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<v Speaker 6>bear has gotten the fattest's feasting on the salmon, because

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<v Speaker 6>you know with bears, they eat a tremendous amount and

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<v Speaker 6>then they hibernate for the winter, which is coming up.

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<v Speaker 6>That says like a good plank gets some big, fat,

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<v Speaker 6>grizzly bears and everybody picks their fath I might try

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<v Speaker 6>that some year. They've been back to back winners and

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<v Speaker 6>then young up starts to come along as very exciting

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<v Speaker 6>you can to try the bear.

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<v Speaker 5>We're gonna have a fat Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get as fat as I can like during

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<v Speaker 1>the summer months and then just sleep all winter as

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<v Speaker 1>much as like, yeah, perfectly, hardly get out of bed,

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<v Speaker 1>just don't eat much, and then wake up.

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<v Speaker 2>We fill out my revenge bod in the spring. Um. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>that's how it works.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk to a lot of each gen about

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<v Speaker 1>last night's debate coming up. He's one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>political pundits in America, and he's helped coach people for

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<v Speaker 1>debates and.

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<v Speaker 2>All that sort of stuff, so he's got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of knowledge there.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see the guy who bought the Taylor Swift guitar? No,

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<v Speaker 1>and then smashed it. So he paid a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of money for a Taylor Swift guitar that was up

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<v Speaker 1>for sale as like a charity or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and he bought it, he smashed it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the sort of YouTube provocateur, that sort of guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, people went nuts.

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<v Speaker 8>So they went nuts, and he actually had to well

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<v Speaker 8>he well he didn't have to, but he apologized saying

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<v Speaker 8>that by destroying it he wasn't meaning to be violent.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And now he's going to do a fundraiser of

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of around the smash guitar to raise even

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<v Speaker 1>more money for the charity.

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<v Speaker 6>But brings to mind John Hyatt's fabulous, perfectly good guitar.

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<v Speaker 6>Great song if you're into the rock and roll music?

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<v Speaker 2>How old can you? How old Jay is? Is? A

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<v Speaker 2>old Walls Tim Wall held.

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<v Speaker 1>Might be he's sixty turn he just turned sixty, that's

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<v Speaker 1>right to remember when he made a big deal out

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<v Speaker 1>of his birthday he reads much older, which might be

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<v Speaker 1>an advantage in politics mostly, but it's you'd never know

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<v Speaker 1>he was the same age as Kamala Harris. I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>that to somebody last night watching the Baby said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice, he's sixty. Yeah, he's sixty.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean it was what thirty thirty five years ago

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<v Speaker 6>that he was heavyweight champion of the world and simultaneously

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<v Speaker 6>the American League batting champ.

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<v Speaker 1>You're insinuating that he exaggerates about his resume.

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<v Speaker 6>Everything all the time. There's not an aspect of his resume.

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<v Speaker 6>His wife is probably just his girlfriend. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 6>exaggerates everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Mind your own damn business.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of politicians, it turns out, do this, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be when they run for a big office,

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<v Speaker 1>when people start looking into their stories, they go, oh, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been getting away with this my whole life, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole I was at Tieneman Square or whatever you're claiming.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh no, now you people are checking this sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 6>I better go through this. Mentally, I'm not sure what's

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<v Speaker 6>true and what's not anymore, because it's never mattered.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the debate matter, did it move the needle? Among

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<v Speaker 1>the things we'll talk to lanahe Chin about coming.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm just stay with us Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 13>My overall impression is that both men came to seem likable,

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<v Speaker 13>and I think it's quite possible that both men achieved

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<v Speaker 13>that task.

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<v Speaker 8>I think the lack of interviews that he has done

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<v Speaker 8>with national media with local media, it showed he needed more.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking about Tim Walls there that second person, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>Jake Tapper nailed that on CNN because on their own polling,

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<v Speaker 1>both candidates went up by double digits in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>their favorability after the debate, So both came came away

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<v Speaker 1>more likable, apparently. So I took in a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>punditry right after the debate, and it varied from depending

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<v Speaker 1>on you know you like going into Walls was either

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<v Speaker 1>nervous and unprepared or seemed like a regular guy up

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<v Speaker 1>there because of his nervousness in the way he talks.

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<v Speaker 1>And jd Vance was either hold about.

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<v Speaker 2>Coronavirus freaking COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>Jd Vance was either polished and skilled or slick and

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<v Speaker 1>some other word differ, Yeah, something like that. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>funny how you know you can call something polished or slick,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have two different, two different meanings you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to convey even though they're the same thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I love the notion of he seemed like a

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<v Speaker 6>regular guy. I think the greatest superpower on Earth has

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<v Speaker 6>the right task for an irregular guy, like an exceptional guy,

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<v Speaker 6>to lead the country or be second in command.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's just me.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's discuss the debate with Lanai Chen David and Diane

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<v Speaker 6>Stephie fellow in American Public Policy Studies at the Uber

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<v Speaker 6>Institution and the Director of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University.

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<v Speaker 2>Lonnie, how are you. I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 7>Great to be with you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was your own expert pundit takeaway after you

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<v Speaker 1>watch the debate?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I don't know about expert.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, look, I think, first of all, if you're

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<v Speaker 11>not an expert, who the hell is an expert?

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<v Speaker 2>You're an expert.

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<v Speaker 7>There are no experts anymore.

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<v Speaker 11>I think, first of all, I was really I guess

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<v Speaker 11>I felt really good after the debate because I thought

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<v Speaker 11>there was a level of civility and substance to the

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<v Speaker 11>conversation that we've been missing in our politics for a while.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, I remember telling my kids like, this is

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<v Speaker 11>what politics was like when I was growing up, and

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<v Speaker 11>it felt.

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<v Speaker 7>A little bit like that.

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<v Speaker 11>In terms of the impacts, I think both sides will

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<v Speaker 11>find things to take from it. I mean, clearly, Vance,

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<v Speaker 11>in my view, had the stronger performance on substance and

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<v Speaker 11>on style. You know, people can say that Tim Walls

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<v Speaker 11>came off like an ordinary guy. The reality is that

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<v Speaker 11>I think we do have an expectation that if you're

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<v Speaker 11>going to be vice president, you know you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 11>to step up a little bit. And I think the

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<v Speaker 11>first let's call it fifteen minutes of the debate for

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<v Speaker 11>Walls were not great, and I think that set the

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<v Speaker 11>tone for him. I think the other reason why it

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<v Speaker 11>felt like Vance had the stronger debate is because there

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<v Speaker 11>weren't any moments in the debate that were just major

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<v Speaker 11>missteps for Vance, whereas I felt like Walls's answer on

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<v Speaker 11>like were you actually in China for the Tienamen Square

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<v Speaker 11>massacre one of the most significant events in world history,

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<v Speaker 11>you should be able to remember whether you were there

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<v Speaker 11>or not, And the fact that he gave an answer

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<v Speaker 11>which was basically like, well, I misspoke that one's going.

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<v Speaker 7>To have a long tail, I fear for Tim Walls.

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<v Speaker 11>If you're a Tim Walls fan or a Harris Van's

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<v Speaker 11>a Harris Walls fan, I think there'll be a long

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<v Speaker 11>tail on that one. So that moment was the only

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<v Speaker 11>one for me that I think could cause trouble for

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<v Speaker 11>either campaign down the road.

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<v Speaker 6>My impression was that and this is only relevant for

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<v Speaker 6>the undecided voters in swing states. Honestly, I think the

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<v Speaker 6>most relevant or important development last night was that JD.

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<v Speaker 6>Vance came off as somebody you could picture as president

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<v Speaker 6>and Walls did not.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I just being biased? No?

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<v Speaker 7>I think Vance passed the test.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean there were two things he had to do

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<v Speaker 11>coming into the evening, and in my view, number one

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<v Speaker 11>was to paint himself in a more favorable light, because

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<v Speaker 11>all of the survey research coming into the debate was

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<v Speaker 11>that people viewed JD.

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<v Speaker 7>Unfavorably.

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<v Speaker 11>Now I don't know why, in particular, given that you

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<v Speaker 11>know he aside from the couple comments he's made, I

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<v Speaker 11>don't know that there's been a whole lot out there

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<v Speaker 11>about him. So I think that the first thing was

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<v Speaker 11>he had to paint himself in a more favorable light.

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<v Speaker 7>The second thing was.

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<v Speaker 11>He had to make Kamala Harris into the incumbent. That

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<v Speaker 11>was his goal in this debate, in case that wasn't

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<v Speaker 11>obvious to people, is to basically say, listen, for all

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<v Speaker 11>the things that Kamala Harris has said about trying to

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<v Speaker 11>solve America's problems, She's had an opportunity to solve them

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<v Speaker 11>for the last three and a half years and she

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<v Speaker 11>hasn't done so. So on both of those accounts, I

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<v Speaker 11>thought Vance was successful.

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<v Speaker 7>Walls, you know.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, look, I think the first fifteen minutes of

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<v Speaker 11>debate were very problematic for him and that will carry through,

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<v Speaker 11>even though I do think he found his footing and

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<v Speaker 11>did have some moments in the so let's say the

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<v Speaker 11>last hour of the debate. I just think you're right

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<v Speaker 11>that this was a stronger debate for Vance and we'll

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<v Speaker 11>have a longer tail of advantage for the Trump Vance ticket.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hate to even bring this topic up because

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of tired, but it seems to be getting worse.

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<v Speaker 1>And even some of my favorite pundits said, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>not again. CBS was practically as bad as ABC with

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<v Speaker 1>the whole it's going to be three on one. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there anything the Republicans can do about it. They said,

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<v Speaker 1>no fact checking, and then of course there they were

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<v Speaker 1>fact checking the Republican.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's very challenging.

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<v Speaker 11>I think this has been a challenging cycle for the

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<v Speaker 11>media and I think what if anything this demonstrates to

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<v Speaker 11>me at least, is that the old system we had.

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<v Speaker 11>You may remember before this campaign, we had a commission

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<v Speaker 11>on presidential debates and they tended to vet. They didn't

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<v Speaker 11>tend to they did they vetted and picked the moderators.

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<v Speaker 11>And not that the moderators pre twenty twenty four were

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<v Speaker 11>universally good. I mean, I remember Candy Crowley being atrocious

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<v Speaker 11>in twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>You had to mass how I think you were on

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<v Speaker 2>that campaign with the believe me.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean that was had to that.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean you talk about the ultimate, uh biased fact check.

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<v Speaker 7>That was it.

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<v Speaker 11>But but you know, for the as a general matter,

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<v Speaker 11>putting Candy and maybe one other example like a big

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<v Speaker 11>of a side like they they had reasonably good moderators.

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<v Speaker 11>And I think what we found now that the media

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<v Speaker 11>organizations have taken over the debates in this cycle is

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<v Speaker 11>that the moderation has been much more uneven. And to

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<v Speaker 11>your point, you know, if you're going to say at

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<v Speaker 11>the outset we're not going to fact check, then don't

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<v Speaker 11>fact check, right, I mean, be one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 11>If you're going to say, like listen, we're going to

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<v Speaker 11>fact check, then do it and do it evenly with

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<v Speaker 11>both candidates. Because there were things, you know, they could

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<v Speaker 11>have pressed Walls a lot harder. On the tenement square thing.

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<v Speaker 11>I think they did press them a little bit. They

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<v Speaker 11>should have pressed them a little bit more. There are

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<v Speaker 11>several of the things during this campaign that have been

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<v Speaker 11>said by Walls about his background that are questionable. Those

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<v Speaker 11>are things they should have fact checked or at least

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<v Speaker 11>put out there. The fact that that wasn't done, to me,

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<v Speaker 11>suggests that we need to go back to a system

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<v Speaker 11>where there's a mutual agreement on moderators.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's really that.

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<v Speaker 11>Really give some thought to that ahead of time, because

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<v Speaker 11>I agree thus far I think the moderation in this

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<v Speaker 11>cycle hasn't been great.

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<v Speaker 2>Just in general.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you think last night's debate was more important than

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<v Speaker 6>most VP debates, which have been completely unimportant in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 11>My gut tells me no, it's going to be pretty

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<v Speaker 11>much the same. And again, there wasn't a huge viral moment.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, if you think back to VP debates in

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<v Speaker 11>the past, when they've really stood out, it's been you know,

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<v Speaker 11>when Lloyd Benson went after I think it was Dan Quayle,

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<v Speaker 11>when Quayle compared himself to John F. Kennedy and Benson said,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, I knew him, he was a friend, you know,

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<v Speaker 11>Jack Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a moment.

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<v Speaker 11>There have been moments in these debates that have stood out.

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<v Speaker 11>That's the only way in which a VP debate does

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<v Speaker 11>tend to have a lasting influence on public opinion. And

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<v Speaker 11>I just didn't see it night, so to me, at least,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, when you see some short term movement, yes,

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<v Speaker 11>does it affect the trajectory of the race as being

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<v Speaker 11>a very close race? It's going to be tightly contested

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<v Speaker 11>in the six or seven states we're talking about. No,

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<v Speaker 11>I think this debate did not have that kind of influence.

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<v Speaker 2>Saw.

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<v Speaker 1>I was reminded yesterday reading a couple of different pieces

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<v Speaker 1>from pundits that the Harris Walls ticket is the most

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<v Speaker 1>liberal ticket in US history by a major party, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had forgotten that. I mean, it clearly is the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump campaign somehow needs to do a better job of

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<v Speaker 1>just hammering that over and over and over again to

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<v Speaker 1>where even if people decide that's the direction they want

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<v Speaker 1>to go, knowing that's the direction they're.

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<v Speaker 11>Going, that is the direction they need to go in.

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<v Speaker 11>And I mean, if you look at again, if you

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<v Speaker 11>look at what the research tells us, that is the

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<v Speaker 11>point on which Harris Walls are most vulnerable, which is

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<v Speaker 11>this notion that they are well to the left of

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<v Speaker 11>the American mainstream. And I think actually last night JD.

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<v Speaker 11>Vance demonstrated what a concerted and substantive attack on some

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<v Speaker 11>of those fronts. Looks like he was a very focused

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:06.399
<v Speaker 11>debater last night, which I think is of course in

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:08.400
<v Speaker 11>contrast to Trump, because when Trump's up there, he talks

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<v Speaker 11>about whatever Trump wants to talk about, right, and that's

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<v Speaker 11>not nearly as focused as Vance. I thought Vance was

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<v Speaker 11>very effective because he did prosecute some of that case

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<v Speaker 11>last night. But I agree completely with you that the

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<v Speaker 11>only way I think that they continue to make headway

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<v Speaker 11>that the Trump dance ticket is by emphasizing how and

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<v Speaker 11>to what degree the Democratic ticket is is to the

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<v Speaker 11>left of where the American mainstream is on many issues,

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<v Speaker 11>not just by the way I think their proposals have

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<v Speaker 11>moderated quite frankly. If you look at the proposals that

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<v Speaker 11>they put out there during the last couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 11>they appear very moderate. But if you look at their

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<v Speaker 11>governing histories, both Kamala Harris and Tim Walls, you do

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<v Speaker 11>have a very left of center record, particularly in Walls.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, Walls has done.

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<v Speaker 11>Some wacky things in Minnesota, and the Trump dance ticket

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<v Speaker 11>needs to figure out a way to get that out there.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, Lon Heatchen is running for governor of California,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to do everything in our power to

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<v Speaker 1>get you over the top.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I appreciate that it's gonna have to be a

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<v Speaker 11>very different world than the one we live in now.

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<v Speaker 11>It's birth two on which that happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well, and I was just gonna say, if undecided

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 6>voters a fall for the whole no no, no, I'll

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<v Speaker 6>govern is a moderate thing. Again, that will be very

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<v Speaker 6>frustrating for me. So, lanhie Chen of the Hoover Institution,

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<v Speaker 6>Stanford University, you have an event tonight, I believe, not

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<v Speaker 6>far from the radio ranch in scenic Sacramento, California.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, we'll be up there in Sacramento talking about the

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 11>election with some folks from the Sacramento area. So if

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 11>people are interested, it's a Sacramento County Republican Party event,

0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 11>they can check it out.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, would love to see you there and

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<v Speaker 7>would love.

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<v Speaker 11>To talk more about last night's debate and what we

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 11>think is going to happen in the elections and just

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 11>have a great chat. I love being up in sacrament

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 11>I think it's been a little hot up there today,

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 11>but aside from that, Aside from that, I always love

0:28:58.080 --> 0:28:59.640
<v Speaker 11>being in the area and look forward to seeing some

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<v Speaker 11>old friend.

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<v Speaker 6>Why two revelations there turns out there is a Republican

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<v Speaker 6>Party in Sacramento, California, and Sacramento, apparently.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there talking to me from the control room, is.

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<v Speaker 6>The capital of California. Lanihe Chen, thanks so much. Great

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<v Speaker 6>to talk to you as always.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, great to be with you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we had a private conversation with Lonnie and we

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 1>went out to dinner with him when we were at

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 1>the convention, and I don't think he would mind us

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<v Speaker 1>sharing this and that he's pretty pessimistic about politics in

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<v Speaker 1>California getting any better anytime. Soon as well he should be,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just depressing as hell.

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<v Speaker 2>Doomed.

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<v Speaker 7>Doom.

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<v Speaker 1>You can get doomed if you become a one party state, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly if one party has captured certain institutions like public

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 1>employee unions that can turn out enough vote and to

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<v Speaker 1>get into this circular money thing where they give each

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<v Speaker 1>other money.

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<v Speaker 6>And so it's just the average voter cannot break through.

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<v Speaker 6>It's I read, Oh, I held on to it now

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<v Speaker 6>I can't remember where. It is an absolutely elegant way

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 6>to express That's what I've been talking about for years,

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<v Speaker 6>which is if you have concentrated benefit but disperate cost,

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 6>the benefit people will always win because they really really

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 6>make out, but the cost is spread across the entire

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<v Speaker 6>tax base, and so those people never like come together

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<v Speaker 6>and rise up and the scam. And California is all

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 6>about that scam.

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<v Speaker 1>Often playing a big role, certainly in California Union. Speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of that topic, that didn't come up last night, the

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<v Speaker 1>big long shortman strike. The guy that's the head of

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<v Speaker 1>that union is quite a piece of work. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know his whole story.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I actually don't want to talk about him, because

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<v Speaker 6>when I go to sleep tonight, I don't want it

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<v Speaker 6>to be with the fishes if you follow me, Wow,

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<v Speaker 6>what are you hinting at?

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<v Speaker 2>So that's coming up? Discuss right?

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<v Speaker 10>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Shut up, we get it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Democrats are the party unions, and one of the

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>biggest unions in the country's on striker right now. The

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<v Speaker 1>long sharman didn't come up on the debate last night

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<v Speaker 1>because it wouldn't have been good for.

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<v Speaker 2>The left, so they didn't want to get into that topic.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. So let's get into it now.

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<v Speaker 6>Ladies and gentlemen, we give you the head of the

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 6>long Shoreman's Union, Herald Jade Daggett.

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<v Speaker 9>Are you worried that this strike is gonna hurt the

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<v Speaker 9>everyday American?

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<v Speaker 2>The farmers that need to read they reached the export market.

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<v Speaker 2>They're telling me that they're gonna hurt them.

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<v Speaker 10>Start to realize who the long shoremen are, right, nobody

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<v Speaker 10>can keep and Nevi gave it about us until now

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<v Speaker 10>when they finally realize that the chain is being broke. Now,

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<v Speaker 10>cars won't come in, food won't come in, clothing won't

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<v Speaker 10>come in. You know how many people depend on odd

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 10>jobs half the world, and it's time for them, and

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<v Speaker 10>time for Washington to put so much pressure on them

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<v Speaker 10>to take care of us, because we took care of

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<v Speaker 10>them and we're here one hundred and thirty five years

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<v Speaker 10>and brought to where they are today, and they don't

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<v Speaker 10>want to share.

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<v Speaker 6>These people today don't know what a strike is, said

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<v Speaker 6>a fiery mister Daggett.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll cripple you. I will cripple you.

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<v Speaker 1>And he doesn't sound like the kind of guy that's

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<v Speaker 1>mobbed up out of a movie at all, or exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like he was. He was like he was a

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<v Speaker 2>paid actor.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to portray a union boss is mobbed up. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I can do it. You know, we need

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<v Speaker 1>to do another take. That was a little over the top.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we ease back on that a little bit so.

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<v Speaker 6>Daggett's work at the union has sometimes attracted the attention

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<v Speaker 6>of authorities who've previously accused him of mob ties, a

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:36.120
<v Speaker 6>claims he has denied.

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<v Speaker 2>Really he said, he didn't say, you got me.

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<v Speaker 6>In five he stood trial in Brooklyn on wire and

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<v Speaker 6>mail fraud charges alongside another ILA official and an alleged mobster,

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 6>accused of steering union benefits to contracts to firms that

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 6>paid kickbacks to organized crime. Again, I say witnesses testified

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<v Speaker 6>the Daggett was elevated. This is witnesses under oath in

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<v Speaker 6>public testifying Daggitt was elevated through the ila by the

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<v Speaker 6>mob because he was an associate of the Genevese crime family.

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<v Speaker 6>He denies it, said he's terrified of crime families and

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<v Speaker 6>went out of his way to avoid them. He says

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<v Speaker 6>they forget about it. The three defendants were acquitted. Lawrence Ricci,

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<v Speaker 6>the defendant alleged to be a Genovi's crime family member,

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<v Speaker 6>went missing during the trial and was later found partly

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<v Speaker 6>decomposed in the trunk of a car outside the Huck

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<v Speaker 6>Finn Diner in Scenic Union, New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>That is too much.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that is too on the nose to even

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<v Speaker 1>be believable. So this guy you just heard from that

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<v Speaker 1>has the longshoreman on strike, that's costing the country five

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars a day. And there are now forty ships

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<v Speaker 1>backed up off the coast in the Gulf forty. There

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<v Speaker 1>were a couple yesterday, forty today. It'll be two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>by next week if this keeps going anyway. So that

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<v Speaker 1>guy's on trial and one of the key witnesses disappears

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<v Speaker 1>and is found in the true bunk up a car

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<v Speaker 1>behind a diner in New Jersey, like it's out of

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<v Speaker 1>a bad Sopranos copy show clarification.

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<v Speaker 6>He was one of the defendants. And it's pretty obvious

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<v Speaker 6>that the family thought this guy's gonna crack. I can

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<v Speaker 6>tell by looking at it. He's gonna crack. Gotcha? So

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<v Speaker 6>he went to sleep in a trunk and decomposed. It

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<v Speaker 6>could happen to anybody. Oh, let's see. So Daggett has

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<v Speaker 6>called leave a drunk. He called the allegations of mob

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<v Speaker 6>influenced total bullless in a dark, ugly attack on Italian America.

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<v Speaker 2>How dare you?

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<v Speaker 6>Last year, according to the US Labor Department filings, he

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<v Speaker 6>earned seven hundred and twenty eight thousand dollars as head

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<v Speaker 6>of the ILA and a further one hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 6>three grand as president emeritus of the Mechanics Local Chapter

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<v Speaker 6>at Port Newark. His son Dennis, who has senior roles

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<v Speaker 6>in both groups, was paid a total of more than

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<v Speaker 6>seven hundred thousand dollars himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, so Dad's getting about a million dollars a year

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<v Speaker 1>and with benefits would be worth a lot more than that,

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<v Speaker 1>because I heard him talking about their vacation and the

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare plans they have and everything like that, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the way you get to use vacation time blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then his son's making crazy money.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 6>Leaving the cargo terminal in Elizabeth, New Jersey, New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 6>early Tuesday morning, he suggested in his gruff manner that

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<v Speaker 6>he and ILA members are digging in for a lengthy showdown.

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<v Speaker 6>Somebody asked him how long the strike might last, and

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<v Speaker 6>the poet Laureate of American Labor said, and I quote,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't have an effing crystal ball between my legs,

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<v Speaker 6>but it will last very long.

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<v Speaker 2>I would tell you that. Woh my god, Wow my god.

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<v Speaker 6>When you don't even feel like you have to pretend anymore,

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<v Speaker 6>that's what's most amazing about this.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've seen this with the United autoworkers sometimes too.

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<v Speaker 1>They feel so untouchable they can just basically say it

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<v Speaker 1>out loud. Yeah I'm mobbed up. Yeah I'm rich. He

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<v Speaker 1>drives a Bentley, this guy, so he's not it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like he's trying to hide his success.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>He and P Diddy could probably compare notes on feeling untouchable.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that they don't feel like they even need

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<v Speaker 1>to pretend that they're not what they are, Yeah, is

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<v Speaker 1>how untouchable they feel and have been for a very

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<v Speaker 1>long time.

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