1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: And welcome to Tuesday's edition a Big Blue Kickoff live 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. He has pulled the Tina 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: on Lance Medal with you for the next sixty minutes. 4 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: Two zero one five one three. That is the telephone 5 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: number hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. Will certainly tackle a 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: variety of different issues today and topics in terms of 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: the Giants offseason, and is quieted down, but that doesn't 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: mean that we can't speculate a little bit about what 9 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: we're going to see come training camp. Some of the 10 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: positional battles like to get into today and where the 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: depth is on this roster and things that will be 12 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: interesting to watch come training camp. Will get to your 13 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: phone calls as well before we do that pull. Yesterday, 14 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: we were talking about the supplemental Draft, and I know 15 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,319 Speaker 1: you wanted to clarify some of that that we got 16 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: into yesterday so that this way the fans understand the 17 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: rules and what has to necessarily be sacrifice if you 18 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: do want to go after a player who could be 19 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: very well selected in the supplemental draft, because that is 20 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: obviously around the corner. Well, the first thing they do 21 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: lands and and again we had this question yesterday about 22 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: potential supplemental picks. There are three guys posedly that are 23 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: of interest around the league. Will get to those in 24 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: just a minute. But the way the process works is 25 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: that the league is divided into three sections. Your playoff 26 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: teams you're quote contenders, and then your teams that were 27 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: way out of it, okay, And they will go within 28 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: each group and they will say, okay, Group one, submit 29 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: your silent bid as to what is the highest round 30 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: draft pick you would be willing to give up for 31 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: X player. And if the guy gets through that first 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: group without anybody picking him, they go to the second group, 33 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: and then they do the same thing. If he gets 34 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: through that group, they go to the third group and 35 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: they do the same thing. If he still doesn't get named, 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: he's now immediately a free agent. Now, if let's say 37 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: two teams submit the same level draft choice, so we're 38 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: in Group on, and let's say the Giants submit third 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: round pick for player X and the Saints submit a 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: third round pick for player X. The Giants get him 41 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: because they would have had the worst record last season. 42 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: So that's the way it goes. And there are three players, 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: Bill Alexander and I'm forgetting the third player. Now, those 44 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: are the two. Obviously, that are the two. Those are 45 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: the two corners who a lot of people are talking about, 46 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: and they both have high level skill sets that make 47 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: them very attractive for the draft. Of course, Alexander has 48 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: a number of off the field issues which also have 49 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: to be considered. Bill does not um and yeah, he's 50 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: a free safety, I believe. Yeah. So the two corners 51 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: and the free safety who all have enough of skills 52 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: that certainly will intrigue teams. The question will be are 53 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: they willing to forfeit then the complimentary pick from next 54 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: year's draft. So if you get awarded a guy and 55 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: they say, okay, you got them, you bid third round, 56 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: you got them, You're giving up your third round pick 57 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: next season, you just forfeit the pick, which is why 58 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: you've got away, whether or not you think you can 59 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: get something better in next year's draft, or you think 60 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: this player could come in and immediately make a contribution. 61 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: Now to your point, they are projecting bal rounds three 62 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: through five, Bryant four through six, and then Alexander five 63 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: through seven. Just to give you a ballpark in terms 64 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: of value that's coming from CBS Sports. Yes, yeah, I 65 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: think you could make a very strong argument that bill 66 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: Um is the cleanest of the players in terms of 67 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: skill set, personnel profile, the medical He's got the cleanest portfolio, 68 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: which is why they're speculating he will have the highest 69 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: tag or the highest bid in the supplemental draft, which 70 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: is coming up. Do we have a date on it? 71 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: My kid? Look that up in one second. Here, Alexander 72 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: has some off the field stuff, which you know yellow flags. 73 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: We all know about the personnel profiles off the field. 74 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: That gives a lot of teams a lot of pause 75 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: and a lot of recent doubt or yellow flag a guy. 76 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: So that's gonna have to be considered. But he certainly 77 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: has the skills, without question. He has the skills and 78 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: the versatility to play in the NFL. We still don't 79 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: have a date. I'm still looking. Okay, everything that I 80 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: have here does not have anything specifically listed. I mean, 81 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: I know obviously it's coming up, but there is nothing 82 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: listed from all of these articles that I'm searching for 83 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: in terms of the specific I thought it was coming 84 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: up within a week. Well what I believe too, But 85 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to throw out the wrong date and 86 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: then it turns out to be false information. All of 87 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: these articles that I have are obviously breaking down all 88 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,239 Speaker 1: of the positional players. This this articles as it's typically 89 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: held in July, and that it has not been set. 90 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: Now this was back on June six, so maybe that's 91 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: the case. Maybe they have not formally announced a date yet. 92 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: I know it's usually this time of the year, and 93 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: I thought that maybe something had been specifically established. But 94 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: these articles are all claiming Okay, so they have since 95 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: come out since that article. So that's the deal, folks. 96 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: So we will see if in fact one of these 97 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: guys in the secondary might be helpful to a team 98 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: such as the Giants, who certainly would like to enhance 99 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: their depth chart. Will they take a chance on one 100 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: of these guys, or as I said yesterday, often is 101 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: the case, you know, you don't see a ton of 102 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: these supplemental guys get picked. As often is the case, 103 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: teams will just sit back and say, you know what, 104 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: we'll take our chances. We won't submit a bid on 105 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: a draft choice, and we'll just go gangbusters after him 106 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: as a free agency if we can sign them in. Well, 107 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: that's certainly one option. The other option is they're impressed 108 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: with what they've seen out of the other corners and 109 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: safeties in camp, and they don't think it's necessary to 110 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: sacrifice a resource like a draft pick on a player, 111 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: and that could obviously be another part of the equation. 112 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: Today's the nineteen I believe on the Bill has a 113 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: pro day in terms of working out for teams, which 114 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: is going to impact of how many teams decide they 115 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: want to take a stab at him. I don't think 116 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: there's any question because I'm sure they will also want 117 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: to talk to him in addition to watch him work out. 118 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: But I think once again, if you're a team and 119 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: you've now had the entire spring to evaluate secondary players, 120 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,119 Speaker 1: if you feel, hey, there's enough competition for your team, 121 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: then I could see teams saying, you know what, it's 122 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: just not worth it, or we'll wait to see if 123 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: nobody claims him and he ultimately become as a free agent. 124 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: Because draft picks are extremely valuable. I think the Giants 125 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: know that firsthand based on how important this past draft was. 126 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: So when you are going to now, all of a 127 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: sudden and day, we'll give up a third or a 128 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: fourth rounder for a player that, let's face it, they're 129 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: in the supplemental draft for a reason. Some of them 130 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: may have been academics, but other was because of question marks. 131 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: From a football standpoint, that's still a risky proposition to 132 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: be giving up a draft pick for next year when 133 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have a much bigger talent pool 134 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: to just roll the dice on somebody that may not 135 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: even make your roster. Um Donal's Alexander's Pro days tomorrow, 136 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: so you know, we may hear more. I'm sure that 137 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: there will be some media there. Uh we maybe you 138 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: hear a lot more about who attends the pro days 139 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: that may give you a little bit of a hint 140 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: as who's really thinking about him, Because let's face it, 141 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: if you are serious about making a potential bid on 142 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: a guy, chances are you are gonna want to check 143 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: him out at one of these two pro days. I 144 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: can't see too many people go inside unseen off of 145 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: just tape and then putting in a future big it 146 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: on a guy that they haven't been thoroughly researching. I'm 147 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: sure that's part of it. I would guess that a 148 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: lot of these teams have also when they went through 149 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: the normal draft process, Paul, they probably did their homework 150 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: and research because you want to talk to the coaching 151 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: staff members, individuals that have been around these players were 152 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: quite some time. As opposed to just basing your decision 153 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: on one pro day, I mean that to me is 154 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: even more important. How do you get to know this 155 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: player and whether or not the coaches saw some upside 156 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: in him that say, hey, you know what, this is 157 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: worth investing in. This is worth taking a chance on 158 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: to see if he could bring if you can bring 159 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: him into your roster, and whether or not he could 160 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: compete once training camp starts. Because you know that there 161 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: really is there's a lot of pluses and minuses that 162 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: you have to take a consideration into. You know, this 163 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 1: is not if this was a consideration where it's just hey, 164 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: you outright signed the guy and it's just a bidding war. 165 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: From a financial perspective, that's one thing. When you're giving 166 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: up draft picks, it's not such an easy decision in 167 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: my opinion, no, And you also must consider that teams 168 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: a lot of times will want to use those draft 169 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: picks in trades as well. And now, if you're just 170 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: giving up next year's one of next year's picks, it's 171 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: one less resource you have in unless resource you have 172 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: to trade I mean, let's say you give up a 173 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: fourth round or next year because you want to grab 174 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: this player. Well, now you can't use the fourth round 175 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: of a package it if you want to move up somewhere. 176 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it gets a little sticky. Well, it'll be 177 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: interesting to see whether or not these three players have 178 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: a lot of attention brought their way. They have about 179 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: a little less than a month to evaluate these players 180 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: before the supplemental draft on July eleven. Two zero one 181 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: three is the telephone number hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. 182 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna open up the phone lines and then we'll 183 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: get to a variety of other conversations with respect to 184 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: the makeup of the Giants roster. But let's hear from 185 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: Scott in New Mexico. Scott, what's happening? Hi? Guys? How 186 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: are you doing? What do you go for us? I 187 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: don't want you to think I'm crazy, but I'm gonna 188 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: make a legitimate argument. While the Giants are a Super 189 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: Bowl contender this year, and I'm going to start with 190 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: or preface the conversation by saying they were approximately eight 191 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: teams that had a either record or a losing record 192 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: that the following year they won the Super Bowl, including 193 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: the New York Giants, and the best example was the 194 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: Rams who were four and twelve one year in the 195 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: next time they win the Super Bowl. So I was 196 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: looking at the entire roster and one of the things 197 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: I note is, and I don't know if you're aware 198 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: of it, but the passplot in efficiency ratings that Pro 199 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: Football Focus came out with, even with the historionics of 200 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: the offensive line, they were ranked seventeen and just by comparison, 201 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: Minnesota was ranked And to give you an example, the 202 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: Giants have made tremendous steps and improving the offensive line. 203 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: And if you look at the wide receivers that they have, 204 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: the three uh, I don't see a better random uh 205 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: in the NFL. And if you're throwing so Klon Barkley, 206 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: you have four receivers all on the same team. It's 207 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: sort of like sort of a mini Golden State Warrior 208 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: type team. Uh. There's nobody that can be covered. So 209 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: if you're combining the offensive running excuse me, the offensive 210 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: line that they have now and the receivers they have 211 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: now and thrones Klan Barkley, I don't see any weaknesses 212 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: that they wanted to get your comments at leaf on 213 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: the offensive side. If you agree with me or not, Well, 214 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Even a team that has a terrific 215 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: offensive line and can run and pass the ball with 216 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: a high efficiency ratio, uh, if they don't enhance their 217 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: rush defense and get off the field and throw down, 218 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: if they don't win the turnover battle, if they don't 219 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: have a much more efficient special teams roster or unit, uh, 220 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: they're not gonna win a whole lot of football games. 221 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: So I appreciate what you're saying about the potential of 222 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: the Giants offense, but there's a lot more that's gonna 223 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: go into this. If the Giants are gonna put up 224 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: a lot more wins than what they did last year, 225 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: and offenses only one very small component. Well, but again, 226 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: with the pest boxing infittancy that the Giants had ranked seventeenth, 227 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: that's pretty high, and they also have to take into consideration, Scott. 228 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: You know, part of that is also Eli Manning getting 229 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: rid of the football very quickly. I mean, I'm not 230 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: saying that you should have put some substance behind those numbers, 231 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: but that that number, to me, is not necessarily the 232 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: most important number because I think a lot of quarterbacks 233 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: get rid of the football very quickly. So you know, 234 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: when you evaluate an offensive line, I mean I could 235 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: come up with a lot of mathematical equations that show 236 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: the numbers. I think you guys still have to rely 237 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: on the eye test, and you got to rely on 238 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: whether or not also they're effective running the football, which 239 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: is a huge component, much more important to me than 240 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: necessarily the passing of the football. Tom Coughlin always told 241 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: us that if there was absolutely positively one stat that 242 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: you had to win to enhance your chances to come 243 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: away with a victory, it was the takeaway ratio. That's 244 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: that's the one, single, solitary, most important stat if you 245 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: want to live in a bubble, the turnover ratio, the 246 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: takeaways and the giveaways. That is the stat if you 247 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: want to live in a bubble, that has to be 248 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: heavily in your favor if you're gonna win a lot 249 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: of ballgames. Right, Well, if I can just quickly flip 250 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: to the defense, Uh, you already know that Harrison and 251 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: it's the last five years has been the top rated 252 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: defensive lineman in the run stop and now basically what 253 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: the other personnel that you put on the on the field, Uh, 254 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: you have a fairly stout defensive line. Then you combine 255 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: it with the hybrids that you've added to the line 256 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: up with Lorenzo Carter and with uh what's the name 257 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 1: uh three Martin you talking about? Yes? Uh? The the 258 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: only weakness I see they too had they hit to 259 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: have two outstanding corners and they have an outstanding safety 260 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: in the question mark really is the free safety Darian Thompson. 261 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: And if you look at his stats from last year, 262 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: he still was involved in about seventy plays, so the 263 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: biggest thing against him was his tackling ability. If that improves, 264 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: I don't see as many weaknesses as everybody's pretending they see. 265 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: So if you put it all together, and I appreciate 266 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: your point Paul about the takeaways, but just on personnel alone, 267 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: your giants are right there. I don't see really that 268 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: many weaknesses in the team. You know, I'll take your 269 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: comments off the here, but I would go over that 270 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: with you and see what your You know, your overall 271 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: opinion was, thank you. Um. You know, one very small 272 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: statement he made there when talking about the defense, he said, 273 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: two very solid corners. Well, Jenkins needs to have a 274 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: bounce back season and Eli Apple really needs to have 275 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: a bounce back season for that statement to hold true, 276 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: and at the moment those are not locks. You have 277 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: a pretty good idea that Jenkins will rebound to what 278 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: he showed two seasons ago. You want to believe that 279 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: Apple will do the same, but we don't know that. 280 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: And quite honestly, uh, you don well better have three 281 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: reliable corners, if not four reliable corners three and we've 282 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: heard the coach already tell us Coach Shermer that is 283 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: that corners three, four and five are involved in a battle. 284 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: We don't even know right now who the third corner is. 285 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: This is a serious flaw in in his theory. Well, 286 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: the other thing I would add is, I mean, listen, 287 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: everyone's tied into their opinion, and Scott seems to be 288 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: extremely optimistic, and he should be. It's a new season. 289 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: I think everybody's got a legitimate chance. I'm not throwing 290 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: anyone out the window at this point, but if you're 291 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: to play the paper test, which I'm personally not a 292 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: fan of playing the paper test because I don't think 293 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: it means much of anything, but he was invested in 294 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: the paper test. You want to sell me on the 295 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: fact that on paper, there's not a lot of question marks. 296 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: I would completely disagree, Paul, and the reason being is 297 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the defensive line. You know, he 298 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: was listing off guys. Lorenzo Carter has he had to 299 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: play one NFL game. How can I tell me he's 300 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: a lot for anything? You cannot. I'm not saying there's 301 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: not upside for the player, don't miss it term of 302 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: my words. But you can't just throw him in the 303 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: mix and say, oh, well, you know they add in 304 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: a hybrid player. We have no idea what Lorenzo Carter 305 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: is gonna do on the NFL field. And and even 306 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: if Lorenzo Carter turns out to be terrific, who knows 307 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: if that will be in year one, year two, or 308 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: year three. You just don't know when things are gonna click. So, 309 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't know of a sudden put that 310 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: player on the pedestal. It's Goods gonna stay healthy. Goodson 311 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: he's a question mark still, but it's not even so 312 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: much is he gonna stay healthy? The sample size for B. J. 313 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: Goodson is tidy. It is even when he's going to 314 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: be good. No, I too, but the sample size if 315 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna play the paper test. I guess, in my opinion, Paul, 316 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: there's gotta be some backing to the player. Okay, so 317 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: you gotta be telling me, Hey, this guy's been on 318 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: the field for three straight years. He's been up there 319 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: and tackles. He's been durable, he's staying on the field. 320 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: You know you can get pressure on the quarterback. When 321 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: you look at a lot of these defensive lineman, I 322 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: just don't see a laundry list of a resume to 323 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: say that you can hang your hat on Dalvin Tomlinson. 324 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: Very small sample size plus we're talking about he probably 325 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: is going to see a lot more time on the 326 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: outside this year. When you have snacks on the field, 327 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: is the nose tackles? So how is that adjustment going 328 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: to play out? As you continue to look through this. 329 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: B J. Hill has not played one snap in an 330 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: NFL regular season game. Macintosh, another rookie, has not played 331 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: one NFL snap. I mean you could go through little 332 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: Avery Moss. How much of a sample size is Avery Moss? 333 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: Like Martin and Morrow have not exactly lit up the 334 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: stat sheet. No, I mean Martin was a special teams 335 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 1: dynamic player and then last year became a significant defensive 336 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: component in Arizona. Now he produced, but was that a 337 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: flash or is that something gonna get moving forward? So 338 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: a lot of these players on the defensive line I 339 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: think have upside, but I don't think you could say, hey, 340 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: based on what I saw last season, I know I'm 341 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: gonna get this type of production out of them. I'm 342 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: gonna give Scott one small mulligan on what he had 343 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: to say, and that is this And I've said it 344 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: to you before. I said it to John the other 345 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: day on the show too. When you look at a 346 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: club and you say, okay, these are all of the 347 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: questions that they have to answer to be a competitive 348 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: team and to be in the conversation. There are times 349 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: when a team will go into training camp and you'll say, okay, 350 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: they might be able to answer half of them, but 351 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of questions here that amongst the ninety 352 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: they have on the roster, they don't have answers, and 353 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: you just know going in they're gonna be short in 354 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: some areas. I think it's fair to say that with 355 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: the Giants roster that they have right now, at least 356 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: they have potential answers to each of the questions on 357 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: the laundry list. It is a laundry list. There are 358 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 1: a lot of questions about the giants, Let's not make 359 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: any mistake about that. But at least there are potential 360 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: answers that are in the building, well at the moment, 361 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: not now, but they'll be back in the That's about 362 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: as far as you can go now. If you want 363 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: to take Scott's optimism and say that every single one 364 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: of those answers will come up roses, well, then he's right. 365 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, there are a lot to 366 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: make the playoffs and maybe go farther, But you can 367 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: never say that every one of those questions is gonna 368 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: come up roses. They may turn out to do that 369 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: in the end, but you can't say it now. It's 370 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: just too unknown at this point. So that's why that's 371 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: where I'll give him a little leeway. At least they 372 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: have potential answers on the team. There is the potential, 373 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: but that potential is based on to your point, everybody 374 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: clicking and exceeding expectations, which to me is also a 375 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: big roll of the dice that you're assuming everything is 376 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: gonna fall to place, So that to me is a 377 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: risky philosophy to hold simply because somebody's gonna be bound 378 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: to get hurt. Let's face it, that's how the NFL 379 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: plays out, So you need some of the depth charts 380 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden to step up. But usually if 381 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: you look at your Super Bowl contenders, your teams that 382 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: make it to the Super Bowl, usually everything does click. 383 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: That's just the way this game is not place because 384 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: there's so much parody. Well, I agree with you to 385 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: a certain extep, Paul, but Philadelphia, which won the Super Bowl, 386 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: look at how many injuries the Eagles suffered this year, 387 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: and look at how many guys stepped up. I don't 388 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: think they would have went into the season thinking we 389 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: lose Carson Wentz, Nick Foles is gonna play like you 390 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: just enhanced my point, though, every one of the questions 391 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: that they needed to answer when those guys got hurt 392 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: was answered in a rosy fashion. But Folds came out 393 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: and bang he proved, And they lost two middle linebackers 394 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: so they weren't a third string middle linebacker. Every one 395 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: of the questions they had as the season war on 396 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: was answered in a positive direction. That's what it takes 397 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: to win the Lombardi Trophy. Now that's the way, that's 398 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: what this league has become. It's not not the seventies 399 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: and eighties NFL anymore, folks, And they all stop well. 400 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: They also had one of the best pass rushing units 401 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: and defensive lines in the NFL too, and Matt helped 402 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: because if you go back to you know how many 403 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: players Jim Schwartz was able to rotate in an outlass season, 404 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: and I would argue he has the same type of 405 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: options in the same type of depth this season. You 406 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: know that obviously was a significant X factor. Now, you know, 407 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: getting back to the last Cohler's point, Paul, if guys 408 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: like Avery Moss, if guys like b. J. Hill, Kerry Win, 409 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: Romeo Kuara, if they all produce, and I would argue 410 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: the Giants are up there with the likes of the 411 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: Eagles in terms of having these options to plug in 412 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: and plug out of the lineup. But I don't think 413 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: we're there yet. The eye tests say that that's equivalent 414 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: to what Jim Schwartz is working with in Philadelphia. And again, 415 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: let's not overlook special teams. They need to make more 416 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: than their field goal attempts. They need to win the 417 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,719 Speaker 1: battle of field position with both their punting unit and 418 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: their return units, which they did not do last year. 419 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: Both coverage as well as the return without question, because 420 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: all four of them they had issues with. All of 421 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: this stuff has to be improved. That Look, the Giants 422 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: have a long way to go, but it's not impossible 423 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: to say they could do it. Could is a little 424 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: different than saying they will. I will say this. I 425 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: think it was Pro Football Weekly just at a story 426 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: on the Giants the other day, longtime publication. Now it's 427 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: internet only. As you guys know, for many years, they 428 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: took the Vegas number for the Giants at six and 429 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: a half wins over under, and they said, here are 430 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: the positives, here are the negatives. What will the Giants be? 431 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: And they ultimately decided the Giants will be over the 432 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: six and a half. They did not give a win total. 433 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: They simply said it will will be over. The Giants 434 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: will be better than what the experts in Vegas have 435 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: said at six and a half wins, So that means 436 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: anything seven and nine or above, which gets you on 437 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: the fringe of starting to talk about playoffs because of 438 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: your seven and nine chances are at least you played 439 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: a meaningful game early in December, which means you're in 440 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: the mix, and obviously what you want. You want a 441 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: meaningful December because you want that, you're knocking on the 442 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: door at least within the postseason conversation. Interestingly, you brought 443 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: up special teams, and if Scott's phone call earlier in 444 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: the program was maybe making a case for special teams 445 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: based on paper pall, I'd actually agree with him one 446 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: hundred percent as opposed to the defensive argument. And what 447 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: I mean by that is the addition of Michael Thomas. 448 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: I think, based on his track record what he's done 449 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: with the Dolphins, that is an upgrade and special teams. 450 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: Lattimer is going to be the next guy that I 451 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: would get to in terms of coverage as well as 452 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: his ability in the return game sa Kwan Barkley his arrival, 453 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: I think it's another weapon that you could at least 454 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: take it to consideration if he does that well, I 455 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: don't think I don't think it's crazy to think nobody's 456 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: saying that he's going to be the guy every single week. 457 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: But you're gonna tell me that they're not gonna make 458 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: an effort to at least work him in they might 459 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: give him a couple of kickoff returns here and there, maybe, Okay, 460 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: so that that presence that threat at least, there's another 461 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: thing on paper that you would feel good about improving 462 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: special teams. And some of the other players that they added, 463 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: whether it be undrafted, free agents or even guys on 464 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: the depth chart that are competing for the fourth and 465 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: the fifth spot, are coming in with special teams experience. 466 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: So you're talking about the rest of the units though, 467 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: the kickers themselves, whoever the place kicker is, whether it 468 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: has got to put points on the but and the 469 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: punter needs to be consistent or all these other guys 470 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: you're talking about are irrelevant. Well, but making stops in 471 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: the open field, okay, I not just punting the ball 472 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: where it's supposed to go. The number of yard shank. Well, 473 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: and we've had these conversations with some interviews that we've 474 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: had over the last few weeks as well as ourselves. 475 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: Because of the new rules though this year, Paul, coverage 476 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: is going to be extremely important regardless of where you 477 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: put the football because more so they're lining up though. 478 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: But but listen, kickoffs is half the battle there. That's 479 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: of what you need out of your special teams. So 480 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: my point is if you don't have the awareness out 481 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: of your unit in terms of hustling down the field, 482 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: knowing the correct angles to take, you're going to be 483 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: in a precarious spot in terms of your coverage units. 484 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: So that's why I'm emphasizing coverage a little bit more 485 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: this year than maybe I had been in previous years 486 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: because of the new rules, and I'm sure special teams 487 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: coaches are going to be doing the same. You need 488 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: guys that know how to hustle down the field and 489 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: also can win their individual battles. Because what are we 490 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,959 Speaker 1: expecting from the conversations we've had Paul, We're expecting a 491 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: lot more returns this year on kickoff, That's what it 492 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: seems like. That means you better have the guys that 493 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: can make the stops or else you're gonna have a 494 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: lot of points put on the board in the blink 495 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: of an eye just thanks to your return game. Maybe 496 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: Hunter Sharp can do that for the Giants offensive. And 497 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: that was another guy that I was going to get 498 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: to the laundry list of players that they think they 499 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: have on the roster that can help in terms of 500 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: coverage and return. So that's something to at least take 501 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: into consideration when you start to evaluate this roster. All right, 502 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: let's head back to the phone lines. Joe is in Pennsylvania. Joe, 503 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: what's happening. Hey, great to talk to you guys there. 504 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: Owing up with what you said they were the Super 505 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: Bowl thing that. Yeah, there is just too much to 506 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: take into uh consideration here. I just want one big 507 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: thing area, you know what I mean. I just hope 508 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: you think we're going to be a discipline team and 509 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: and take that in with goofy penalties and that because 510 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna have some young guys on the line, and 511 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: I would think, I would hope and think that, uh, 512 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: Barkeley would be pretty disciplined. When you think, oh, he 513 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: certainly appears to be a polished player. We haven't seen 514 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: him on the NFL field, but how he handles himself 515 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: based on his collegiate resume, I would agree with you there. 516 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: And also when you take into consideration the arrival of 517 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: a Jonathan Stewart some other veterans like Nate Solder, you know, 518 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: these are players who have been around the block, and 519 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: they're coming from teams that have had a good culture 520 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: of winning. Soldier comes from the Patriots, Steward comes from 521 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: the Panthers. Those teams have always been in the playoff 522 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: conversation over the last few years when those players were 523 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: on those teams. So I think when you take it 524 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: the consideration of the personality of the players, Joe, I 525 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy to think that this could be 526 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: a more disciplined team. But if you go back to 527 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: last year, penalties was not a major issue for this 528 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: team where we look at the totals compared to the 529 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: rest of the lead Joe, So I wouldn't go so 530 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: far to say that it was an undisciplined team. If 531 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: you want to say that maybe the team was lacking 532 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: strong leadership, that to me is a separate conversation, and 533 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: that I think there's evidence, based on the makeup of 534 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: this roster today that you certainly could argue they've improved 535 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: in that department. One thing you'd have to take note 536 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 1: of is that the bulk of the guys that the 537 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: Giants brought in as veteran free agents have some type 538 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: of connection to this coaching staff or this front office familiarity, 539 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: and I think that has to do directly with the 540 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: character of the locker room, because Dave Gettleman was very 541 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: clear about the type of atmosphere and climate that he 542 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: wants in that locker room and on the practice field. 543 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: And when you've got guys on the new staff that 544 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: are all referring these other players to the GM saying, yeah, 545 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, I had this guy in Miami, I had 546 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: this guy in wherever. You know, he's that kind of guy. 547 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: Could you know, Dave, trust me this this this guy, 548 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: he's gonna come in here, he's gonna he's gonna take 549 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 1: care of that. You know, these these staff members are 550 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: not putting their necks on the line recommending they signed 551 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: guys from other teams unless they know they're the right guys, 552 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And in some cases, I 553 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: think some of these signees are probably even more character 554 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: signings than they are staff signings, to be perfectly frank 555 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: with you. They some of these guys have not put 556 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: up great stats, but because maybe they've got a great 557 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: reference from a staff member, they're bringing them in. So 558 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: I think that also lends itself to a higher character 559 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: locker room. And maybe that's kind of the area that 560 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: you're trying to question about. Yeah, I'm just saying I'm 561 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: thinking back when we had Coalkland, how disciplinary he was 562 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: and he still had his problems with that stuff in 563 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: different time management and that, and uh, you know, I 564 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: think that is very big. Especially I was wondering if 565 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: we're going to be a ball control team, but maybe 566 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: we won't be with the explosiveness that will break bigger plays. 567 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: Would you think would be more ball controller be breaking 568 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: the bigger plays there or there? Well, you have to 569 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: be able to be ball controlled in certain instances. You've 570 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: got to play the game as it unfolds. And the Giants, 571 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: as you know, Joe, they have not really had a 572 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: very successful four minute offense for several years. And to 573 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: be quite frank with you, uh yeah, big plays of fun. 574 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: I'd like to see them make some more big plays. 575 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: I'd like to see them score more points. Especially who 576 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: doesn't want that. But you know what, if you said 577 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: to me, hey, what, what's that one part of the 578 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: offense that they're gonna have to have that they haven't 579 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: had recently, to me, it's that formunted attack. Because if 580 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: the defense really does come along and give them a chance, 581 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: okay to win more games, the four minute offense is 582 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: going to be the thing that helps lock it down. 583 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: If they don't, and they keep giving the ball back 584 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: to teams with two minutes to go, they're not gonna 585 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: win a whole lot of games because you can't continue 586 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: to survive like they did two seasons ago when the 587 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: defense was on the field and and able to fortunately 588 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: for them, lock up a bunch of very close games. Right. 589 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: I hope we could that. That's that's one thing. You 590 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: have to go back to Parcels. He could really balk 591 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: control and he would even go for it on the 592 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: fourth downs and make it. You know what, it was 593 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: really balked control with. So you have to be able 594 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: to do it. You you want to be explosive, but 595 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: you better be able to control the tempo or the 596 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 1: game when you need to. You have to. I just 597 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: hope we can be disciplined because that that that that 598 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: all goes in there with it. So, okay, well it 599 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: does appreciate the phone call, But I brought up the 600 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: numbers from last year. Giants had ninety one penalties. That 601 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: was tied for second fewest in the NFL. Last year, 602 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: I knew they were in the bottom five. And that's 603 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: why I say, when you say undisciplined and bone headed penalties. 604 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: I would not describe the Giants performance last season is 605 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: synonymous with that label because the numbers don't back that up. Now, 606 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean there weren't costly penalties taken at costly times. 607 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: There's a difference. But I guess what I'm saying, Paul, 608 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: is over the course of the entire season, they were 609 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: that type of team that was like averaging ten penalties 610 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: a game or something like that. Discipline can have many 611 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: definitions when you apply to the football field. Because the 612 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: Giants had more than fifty drop passes this past season, 613 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: do you want to quantify discipline as all those drop 614 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: passes or lack of discipline for all those drop passes? 615 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: If you want to define it that way, I mean, 616 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: can you can? I mean to me, that's more of 617 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: like mental mistakes too, isn't that discipline? Yeah? It is 618 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: too a certain But I guess you know what, when 619 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: when you say a team has the lack of discipline, 620 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: I don't usually you're thinking about their rough around the 621 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: edge exactly. I agree, Yeah, I'm not necessarily, I guess, 622 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: but I'm trying to figure out exactly I understand where 623 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: you're going with Paul, But I guess what if you 624 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: were to say the drop passes, which I think is 625 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: a great point. I mean, that was something that came 626 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: back to bite the Giants, But I don't think to me, 627 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: that's not equated to lack of discipline. That's just mental mistakes. 628 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: You know, the concentration thinking about what you're gonna do 629 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: with the football bec that mental discipline though, okay him, 630 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: well for him, it would be under that umbrell and 631 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: to each our own. I mean in terms of what 632 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: we're comfortable using. I guess because sometimes when I when 633 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: I look at as a team and they get labeled 634 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: as a lack of discipline, it almost means as if 635 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: there was the intent I understand, not stay in the game, 636 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: and they just they don't have that care, that feeling 637 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: of they gotta stay focused, where sometimes just players just 638 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 1: make mistakes because of the lack of concentration or whatever 639 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: it may be. It wasn't like they were playing out 640 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: of the boundaries of the lines of the game. So 641 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,239 Speaker 1: you know, I think that that's something that you at 642 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: least need to take into consideration when you evaluate the 643 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: team and so forth. Two zero three hashtag Giants Chat 644 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: you can't get to the phones. Were also going to 645 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: involve your Twitter question, so let's not hesitate there. We 646 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: have some people already weighing in on the Twitter handles 647 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: and talking about a variety of subjects that we waited in. 648 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: I know there was another one from Lisa who waited 649 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: in yesterday at so bad six three four dfense ability 650 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: to counter the opposing offense is flexibility. It causes a 651 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: lot of confusion, which player, in your opinion, will prove 652 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,959 Speaker 1: most productive in this flexibility? And then she lists three 653 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: players Olivier Vernon, Landon Collins, alec Ogil Tree, meaning which 654 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: of those three players do you think gives the Giants 655 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: defense the flexibility to present challenges for the opposing office. 656 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: It's gotta be Collins because he can do so many 657 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: different things, whether he's playing the deep safety, the safety 658 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: in the box, the pseudo linebacker, he could play his own, 659 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: he could play some man. He could also be coming 660 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,479 Speaker 1: on the blitz. I mean, there are just too many 661 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: different tools that he's going to be able to use 662 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: as that Swiss army knife, so to speak, in the 663 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: Betcher defense, where I think Vernon, we know he's a 664 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: terrific edge rusher, and as an edge rusher, he's either 665 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: going to be standing up or he's going to be 666 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: down on the ground. And then is he going to 667 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: twist and stunt? Is he coming off the edges he's 668 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: dropping back. There are certain things about what he does 669 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: that will make him very dangerous. But I think Collins 670 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: has to have more tools in his Swiss Army knife 671 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: than Vernon does. I agree with you, and Lisa, to 672 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: give her credit, also said she would have chose Collins 673 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: of those three. I think Collins can help you in 674 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: pretty much all three phases of the defense, whereas the 675 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: other two players, not that they can't assist, but I 676 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: don't think there is versatile. You know, Vernon, you know 677 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: he's gonna help stop the run. He's gonna get after 678 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Ogletree is going to be the voice of 679 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: the center of your defense and he's gonna help you 680 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: stop the run. He's not necessarily a guy that has 681 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: put up massive numbers in the sack department that you 682 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: think you can bank on him getting to the quarterback. 683 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: Whereas Collins, I mean it was two years ago, Paul, 684 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: where Collins, I mean he filled up the statute. He 685 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: give you a little bit of everything he really did. 686 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: He was, you know, approaching sort of like triple double 687 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: s numbers in basketball if he wanted to use that 688 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: as a parallel, because he'd give you the sacks, he'd 689 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: give you the tackles, and then he'd be opportunistic to 690 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: give you the interception. And those two players are not 691 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: nearly as effective as Landed Collins in terms of covering 692 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: the backside of the defense. And that doesn't mean that 693 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: Landon Collins is a superb coverage guy in terms of 694 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: getting down the field when you're worried about maybe whether 695 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: or not he's gonna match up with the guy, but 696 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: he at least had the skill set to compete in 697 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 1: that department. And those other two players, you're not necessarily 698 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: gonna be very comfortable rolling Vernon and Ogil treat down 699 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: the field and coverage. So I think that gives Landon 700 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: Collins a tremendous advantage in that department. Uh, let's look 701 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: at some of these other questions that we have on Twitter. 702 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: A J at A J. Marshall three. He once again 703 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: is hoping the Giants are gonna sign Domini, Rodgers, Cromarty 704 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: back to at least a one year deal secondary in 705 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: his opinion, still lacks depth with unproven guys is his point, 706 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: which I don't think is a reach based on that statement. 707 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: It's very difficult to disagree with that statement. I mean, 708 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: you know what, you have the head coach himself saying three, 709 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: four and five at the corner spot are still going 710 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: to be battled or competed for during the course of camp. Um, 711 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: you have to look at it that way. And quite honestly, again, 712 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: maybe the supplemental draft throws another guy into this mix. 713 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: We just don't know right now. DRC to me, I 714 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: would have a hunch and I don't know this Again, 715 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: I have not talked to him with the New York 716 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 1: media as far as I know, outside of Wanta Collins 717 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: football game when he kind of hinted, you know that 718 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: that would be back later in the summer with somebody. Um, 719 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: it seems to me he's probably gonna be a guy 720 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: who signs a one year deal or maybe at most 721 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: a two year deal at this stage of his career. 722 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: I don't see him getting much more than that. And 723 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: also from a team executive standpoint, do you want to 724 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: give well, that's what I mean. It just doesn't make sense. 725 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: I don't think it makes sense for a team, and 726 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if it necessarily makes sense for him either. 727 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I think he might be 728 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: able to. I hate to use the Durrell Weavers comparison, 729 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: but I think he's of that ilk, that he's that 730 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: good a player that he might be better off just 731 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: playing his cards one year at a time right now, 732 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: just to see how things go and pick the best 733 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,439 Speaker 1: spot for him, which will give him maybe the most 734 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 1: immediate cash, but also give him the kind of role 735 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: that he wants to play. I agree with you. I 736 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: think that first of all, it also gives him flexibility 737 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: because if he has an outstanding season, he can maybe 738 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,399 Speaker 1: cash in on that's my following year. So that would 739 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: be another reason why if I was his representatives, I 740 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: would be like, hey, d r C, let's just take 741 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: on himself, which is what Riveras did, and we've see 742 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: plenty of players do that at various different positions. So 743 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily just a cornerback spot. And it depends 744 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,959 Speaker 1: on d r C and where he thinks he'll also 745 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: have the best opportunity to play, too. I think that 746 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: would be part of it, as far as the depth chart, 747 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: and this is what Aj hit on on Twitter. You know, 748 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: it goes back to how we were talking about the 749 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: defensive lineman earlier in the program. There's upside, there's potential, 750 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: but there's just on a lot of proof, not a 751 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: lot of substance where you can say, hey, you know what, 752 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: I've seen this guy do that for two seasons. I 753 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: know what he's gonna bring to the table. Outside of 754 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: William Gay, there's a lot of question marks on the 755 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: depth chart. Teddy Williams did not even play last season. 756 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: The familiarity component is there to Dave Geentleman Paul, but 757 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about a player that did not even get 758 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: on the field as a secondary player last year. B 759 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: D B W WEBB veteran player did not get on 760 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: the field last year. So that's another guy. What do 761 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: you know what's gonna happen? Curtis Riley, a player that 762 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: also has experienced in this league, has a connection to 763 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: the coaching staff with the Shade Townsend, but limited activity 764 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: in that department. What are you gonna get out of there? 765 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: It all goes back to William Gay. William Gay is 766 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: the one guy that you keep looking at because you're like, 767 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: all right, I can hang my hat on William Gay 768 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: Paul because I've seen it and I've seen it in 769 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 1: recent history. Outside of that once again upside potential, I mean, 770 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,760 Speaker 1: I look at also some of these other unknown commodities. 771 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: G and Haley undrafted rookie out of Penn State who 772 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: was an outstanding special teams player during his tenure there. 773 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: Maybe he blossoms into a player when they put the 774 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,959 Speaker 1: pads on Paul and all of a sudden, that's gonna 775 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: be somebody that carves out a role for himself who 776 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: knows a lot of question marks. This is why you 777 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: have to watch the preseason games. Fans, watch these games. 778 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like the coaches are gonna be all 779 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 1: over it with a microscope, you gotta do the same 780 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: because there are so many questions that you have that 781 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: you'll be able to answer yourselves when you see these 782 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: guys perform on the field. This is an odd one. 783 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: Rich Rich Dolor wants to know what are the chances 784 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: Week one of the Giants opening the Shermer era in 785 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: white throwbacks and make Jacksonville where their dark jerseys in 786 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: Week one at that MetLife Stadium that's taking the strategy 787 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: to a whole other level. Well, you don't remember what 788 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: used to happen with the Cowboys, you know, right, you're 789 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: not that young, are you? I hope not. Well, I 790 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: don't know where you're gonna go at this. Where where 791 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 1: when when Dallas was on the road, Okay, teams would 792 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: wear their home whites to force Dallas to wear their 793 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: dark jerseys because it was it was assumed that it 794 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,879 Speaker 1: was bad karma for the Cowboys. Parcels swore by this 795 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: on a bible. Whenever Dallas came to Giants Stadium, Dallas 796 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: was forced to wear their their midnight blues, and the 797 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: theory was that the midnight blues were bad luck for 798 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and it was it was bad, bad karma. 799 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: It's badma. I'm not one to bank my strategy on 800 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: bad car May May I say this. I don't know 801 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: what the actual stats were for the Cowboys wearing their 802 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: dark jerseys on the road. I don't know what those 803 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: stats were, but I do know there was a generic 804 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: feeling amongst many NFL people that, Okay, when you go 805 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 1: down to Dallas who played the Cowboys at home, they 806 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: were really a dominant team, and they of course wore 807 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: their whites. So the reverse psychology came into play and 808 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: they said, Okay, we're gonna make them wear their docks 809 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: when they come to our building. A lot of people 810 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: believed in this Parcels was a stickler for superstition. I 811 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,840 Speaker 1: mean he would he hated the Dallas to wear their whites. 812 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: I think there is some validity behind that from a 813 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: heat perspective, and maybe I'm taking it really deep. Know, 814 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: for example, to the let me see if somebody on 815 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: well you can find the stats. But in all serious 816 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 1: this year joking aside, if you bring Jacksonville Timate Life 817 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: Stadium and you forced them to wear their dog jerseys, 818 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: the whole point is if it's a really hot day, yeah, 819 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: I'd want them in their blacks because maybe that's obviously 820 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 1: gonna take its toll on the team over the course 821 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: of the game. Once again, I don't think that's gonna 822 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 1: make or break though the outcome of the contest in 823 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: my own personal opinion, but I understand the logic that 824 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: if it's an outdoor game the weather is extremely warm, yes, 825 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: you want the opposing team to be wearing dark jerseys, 826 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. And I could see where the 827 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: point on Twitter was brought up in that department, but 828 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's exactly why they were going 829 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: in that direction or it was just a matter of 830 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: having them wear those jerseys because they just don't like 831 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 1: how they look. And I'm not for one that feels 832 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 1: the clothing should be a big part of the debate 833 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,879 Speaker 1: in terms of the influence in the outcome of the game, 834 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: because I really don't think of the big picture of 835 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: things that has much of a say on that. Let's 836 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: go to another Twitter question while you look that up 837 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,879 Speaker 1: so that we could further the conversation. You can also 838 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: hit us up at two zero one, five one three, 839 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: two zero one four or five one three. Daniel R. 840 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: Lewis Daniel R. Lewis seven. He's looking at it from 841 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: a financial perspective, and he's talking about the quarterback position. 842 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: Where will this be the year Eli Manning's last to 843 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: a commed eight signing Odell Beckham as well as some 844 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,320 Speaker 1: other players, and will Davis Webb be the franchise quarterback? 845 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: Is his question? Well, listen. Dave Guttleman was on the 846 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: record saying that he did not think what Eli Manning 847 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: showed in two thousand seventeen was a mirage. He thought 848 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: that it was a sign of him being a productive 849 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: quarterback with the necessary weapons around him. So to ask 850 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: whether or not this is gonna be Eli mannings last year, 851 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 1: I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves, especially if 852 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: the GM has been fronted center giving his confidence in 853 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: the quarterback. As far as Davis's Webb being the franchise guy, 854 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: Davis Webb needs to continue to show that he can 855 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: improve as a quarterback, and we're not gonna be able 856 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,760 Speaker 1: to tell that until we get to the preseason, because 857 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 1: you know, we con sit here and tell you guys 858 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 1: are making great throws with no pads on and no 859 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: pressure in their face, and you would expect everybody to 860 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,840 Speaker 1: thrive under those circumstances once they put the pads on, 861 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: once they get going against opposing teams where they don't 862 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: know about their strategy and they're not familiar with their 863 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 1: defensive personnel, I think that's gonna tell a lot more 864 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: in terms of the upside of the quarterback. But I 865 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: don't think we're there yet. Whether you could tell me 866 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 1: with certainty that David's Webb is gonna be the franchise 867 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 1: guy and same thing with respect to Kyo Loletta. We've 868 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 1: got to see the preseason. We've got to see these 869 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,920 Speaker 1: guys with pads on before we get to that point. 870 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: I would say that Webb is ahead of Loletta, and 871 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: he should be ahead of him because he's had an 872 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,959 Speaker 1: entire offseason ahead of him, and he's had an entire 873 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: season with the team too. But beyond that, I don't 874 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 1: think one quarterback hack has a significant edge over the other. 875 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: Did you find the uh statistics? What's funny about it 876 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: is that there are many stories, many stories on Google 877 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: that talk about this piece of karma. The team found 878 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: has statistical proof says the Cowboys started wearing their white 879 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: jerseys at home in nineteen sixty four when GM tech 880 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,399 Speaker 1: Shram thought it would be good for fans to see 881 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: the opponent's colors instead of just the blue and white 882 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,400 Speaker 1: every week that the cow always had. And so that's 883 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 1: that's where it first came from. It was a tech 884 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,320 Speaker 1: Shram thing back in sixty and I found another story 885 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: that said, um, back in a few years ago, it 886 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 1: was only the second time since that change, the Dallas 887 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: wore their blue tops at home. They're always wearing the whites. 888 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: But I don't see anything here about the win loss 889 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: record that has the one loss record, which is a shame, 890 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: because you know, when people throw out this piece of 891 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,879 Speaker 1: karma or this piece of tradition or this jinx, if 892 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 1: you will, it'd be nice to have some mathematics sparks. 893 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: I think that'd be the whole point of making them 894 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 1: do what they're doing. If it doesn't serve its purpose, 895 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: what's the purpose? I'll tell you what, I'll call it ourselves. 896 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: You should you call him up after the program you 897 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,879 Speaker 1: could still with him, and then maybe offhand he's got 898 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: this statistic. In the meantime, let's hear from some other 899 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: voices that we head back in lines two zero, one, five, 900 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,399 Speaker 1: one three. Duke is in Queens. Duke, what's having? Yeah? 901 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: How's it going? Man? All right? Duke? What you got? Um? 902 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,959 Speaker 1: I've been going through this upcoming season with the quote, well, 903 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 1: what's the what's the fine comb? And and I I'm 904 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,480 Speaker 1: looking at our schedule, and I'm looking at our team, 905 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: and I just want to think that we're not going 906 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: to make it to the playoffs. But I think it's 907 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: gonna be because of our defense. Because I really really 908 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: love past Sherman, and I think he has a great 909 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,439 Speaker 1: offensive mine, so I think he will do his job. 910 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: James Bes is a great DC, but I just don't 911 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: think he has the tools. But my question to you 912 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 1: is assuming this is hypothetical, assuming we don't make it 913 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: to the playoffs, and it's because it's mostly because of 914 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,319 Speaker 1: our defense. Who goes in your opinions? And I have 915 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: something to say after that? Wow? Wow, I mean, we're 916 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: really getting our ahead of ourselves. Duke with that question, 917 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: he has some players that are still under contract, so 918 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,840 Speaker 1: you have to take that into consideration because you know, 919 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: if you start speculating about, you know, who would be 920 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,279 Speaker 1: a candidate to go, you don't know what type of 921 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,719 Speaker 1: financial and occasions that would have if you decide to 922 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: part ways with a player. I think when you look 923 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: at the Giants defense and how Jerry Reeves built it 924 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 1: in that free agency spending spree, he gave everybody Paul 925 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: the same length contract wise, you know, it wasn't like 926 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,359 Speaker 1: this guy got a two year deal, that guy got 927 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: a one year deal. So you know, they're really all 928 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 1: set to expire simultaneously for the most part. When you 929 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: look at the Jenkins, the Vernons, the snacks of the 930 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: world who they rebuilt the defense around. The idea was, 931 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: as I looked at all the different machinations and the contracts, 932 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: is that the Giants were looking at potentially maybe a 933 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 1: three year window, and that three year window was seventeen, 934 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,880 Speaker 1: eighteen and nineteen to try to do something with these players. 935 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: You don't include sixteen and that because sixteen I'm sorry, yeah, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, sixteen, 936 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,839 Speaker 1: seventeen eight. So this is now we're entering year three. 937 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: So this is year three. After this season, each individual 938 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,840 Speaker 1: guy's got to be taken on an individual basis and 939 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,720 Speaker 1: then you have to start figuring out what your numbers 940 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: are going to be. Of course, the cap is gonna 941 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,400 Speaker 1: go up again too, so that will have an impact 942 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,839 Speaker 1: on it. But I kind of thought that when they 943 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,319 Speaker 1: spent a lot of money on the defense prior to 944 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: uh that eleven wins season, they were looking strategically at 945 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 1: what they thought was going to be a three year push, 946 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,759 Speaker 1: and so far they're two years into that push and 947 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: then got one playoff appearance for it. And this is 948 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: the other thing you gotta take into consideration due to 949 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,840 Speaker 1: your question, the fact that Dave Gettleman did it invest 950 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 1: in the nucleus of this defense. He did not, So 951 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,279 Speaker 1: his ties to these players are limited. I mean, he's 952 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: gonna evaluate them this season. He's gonna see how James 953 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,040 Speaker 1: Betcher utilizes them. And then to your point, if it 954 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: becomes a disappointment and the results are not there, then 955 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: I don't think Gettleman is gonna be losing sleep over 956 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: the fact that he didn't sign any of these players. 957 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,719 Speaker 1: So why would he feel as if he has an 958 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,360 Speaker 1: ultimate connection that he's is to keep them if it 959 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: doesn't help the overall productivity of the team moving forward? Okay, Uh, 960 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:12,840 Speaker 1: two more questions, um Uh, going off with the projective rosters. 961 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 1: In your guy's mind, who is one person that you 962 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 1: see not making the fifty three man rosters that you 963 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,680 Speaker 1: just really have like a soft spot for? So who 964 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 1: meaning that we like that we can potentially making. You 965 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 1: mean like a like a guy who might be a 966 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:38,799 Speaker 1: good practice squad candidate exactly. Nick Gates, offensive lineman from Nebraska, rookie, undrafted, 967 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 1: rookie free agent. And I like him. I like him. 968 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,280 Speaker 1: I think he's got very good technique, he's very smart, 969 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,799 Speaker 1: he's aggressive. Um, I think they can work with him. 970 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 1: I'd like I'd like to see him stick around somehow. 971 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,840 Speaker 1: The two guys that jump out to me are Grant 972 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: Haley and Shaun Handler. Chandler's got experience as a corner 973 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,839 Speaker 1: and a safety. Haley is mainly a corner. They're both 974 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: good special teams players. Chandlers the undrafted rookie had of 975 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,760 Speaker 1: Temple Haley I mentioned ear leaders at a Penn State. 976 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,279 Speaker 1: The reason why I liked the two of them, I 977 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,279 Speaker 1: think they've showed some flashes and camped us far during 978 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,279 Speaker 1: the spring period. I think there's opportunity for them to 979 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,719 Speaker 1: make the team because they play positions that are far 980 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,759 Speaker 1: from locks in terms of the depth chart. But it's 981 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,799 Speaker 1: still gonna be an uphill battle because there's a lot 982 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 1: of polished veterans on this team that have a little 983 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 1: bit more experience over them. So that's why I would 984 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,520 Speaker 1: not be surprised if they ultimately don't make the team. 985 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,719 Speaker 1: But I at least like what i've seen those far 986 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,879 Speaker 1: out of the two. All right, I like those uh 987 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,440 Speaker 1: last question um, and I'll take it off their uhl 988 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: apple um not a fan. I hate the fact that 989 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,800 Speaker 1: on a lot of on a lot of this coverages 990 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: when he's sticking people. Uh, he doesn't rotate the sense 991 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,880 Speaker 1: to look at the ball, try to locate the ball, 992 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,360 Speaker 1: and like that. I can think of how when it 993 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,760 Speaker 1: comes to interception. I'm not saying you can't develop that quality, 994 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 1: but I haven't seen it yet, so I'm not a 995 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 1: big fan. However, I know you guys are. And what 996 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 1: do you see his projective staff being this here this 997 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 1: coming season? What do you think it's going to be? 998 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,879 Speaker 1: Thank you, guys. I do appreciate the phone calls. Well. 999 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,600 Speaker 1: I appen to love eli Apple skill set. I've said 1000 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,759 Speaker 1: it a billion times on this program. And what what 1001 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,160 Speaker 1: the caller is not understanding is that there are different 1002 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,400 Speaker 1: ways to teach a corner. Some corners play the ball, 1003 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,000 Speaker 1: some corners played the man, and there are two totally 1004 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 1: different philosophies. And Coach Marvin, if he's out there, he 1005 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,360 Speaker 1: could second this and call in and tell us about 1006 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,240 Speaker 1: it because there are distinct ways to play and both 1007 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,320 Speaker 1: can be very effective. It depends on just how good 1008 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:53,080 Speaker 1: the guy is at physically getting it done. Um. You know, so, 1009 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,640 Speaker 1: I happen to think the world of Elie Apple skill set. 1010 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,320 Speaker 1: I think he can be an absolute top flight cornerback, 1011 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 1: and I know the Giants felt that way when they 1012 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,759 Speaker 1: made him the first round draft pick a couple of 1013 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,440 Speaker 1: years ago. Well, an Apple also has really good size 1014 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,960 Speaker 1: to to play the position. That's a reason why you know, 1015 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 1: I don't think you'd give up on him so quickly. 1016 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 1: Not that the Cohler was trying to say that. I 1017 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,759 Speaker 1: think what you have to understand is and this goes 1018 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,479 Speaker 1: back to our big point at the beginning of the show. 1019 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,800 Speaker 1: It's all about sample size. It's all about the volume 1020 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: of work. And he was a rookie, was great as 1021 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 1: a rookie, and he was not able to duplicate that 1022 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,080 Speaker 1: success in his sophomore campaign, but it's still a small 1023 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 1: sample size. This is a critical year for him because 1024 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,800 Speaker 1: this is the year that he now has a completely 1025 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,279 Speaker 1: new defense, He's got new coaches around him, Paul, and 1026 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,080 Speaker 1: it's an opportunity for him to tap back into what 1027 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 1: he showed as a rookie and prove that last year 1028 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 1: was just perhaps an anomae and there were other things 1029 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,799 Speaker 1: on his mind and there were issues within the locker 1030 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 1: room whatever it may be, or not get necessarily back 1031 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,880 Speaker 1: to where he was, and then maybe it was just 1032 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: a matter of striking gold year one, flashing too early 1033 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 1: and now struggling to build off of that. But it's 1034 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,040 Speaker 1: gonna be a telling season. You know, We've got to 1035 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,520 Speaker 1: see where he takes this offseason, and so far, I 1036 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,480 Speaker 1: think he said all the right things, he's done all 1037 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,640 Speaker 1: the right things, and he's clearly motivated to quiet the skeptics, 1038 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,399 Speaker 1: which right now is looking good. But it's all about 1039 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 1: whether or not you can translate that to the field 1040 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,480 Speaker 1: come the regular season. He needs to be more like 1041 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,120 Speaker 1: philipp E Sparks, who showed flashes when he came into 1042 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,000 Speaker 1: the league and then after being a bit inconsistent, got 1043 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: to be really good and blossomed and had three or 1044 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 1: four really good seasons with the Giants, as opposed to 1045 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: Will Peterson, who had all the talent in the world, 1046 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,319 Speaker 1: then got hurt then kind of mentally wasn't really into 1047 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:51,719 Speaker 1: the game, and quickly, despite all that skill, went right 1048 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 1: downhill and found himself, uh, you know, off the team 1049 00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: on the Eagles, and then I think out of the league. 1050 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:02,160 Speaker 1: So it could go either way, but there's no question 1051 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 1: about his skill set, at least in my mind. A. B. C. 1052 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,480 Speaker 1: The Grim reminds me of Bob Grimm. The wide receiver 1053 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 1: from the early nineteen seventies acquired in the Vikings deal. 1054 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,000 Speaker 1: With the friend talking to trade, Uh, who was the 1055 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,840 Speaker 1: tallest wide out on the current roster? And Uh, that's 1056 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,719 Speaker 1: an easy answer because the Giants have a lot of 1057 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 1: smallest receivers. The two guys who stand out the most 1058 00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:30,160 Speaker 1: Marquis Bundy, who is listed at six ft four, the 1059 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: former Arizona cardinal, and Alonzo Russell, who was listed at 1060 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,880 Speaker 1: six ft three. He's out of Toledo. Russell made a 1061 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,160 Speaker 1: nice catch a touchdown grab in the back of the 1062 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,960 Speaker 1: end zone, really nice grab on a rollout by Davis 1063 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,440 Speaker 1: Webb during the third mini camp session. And I talked 1064 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,080 Speaker 1: to Webb after he had thrown that TV pass to 1065 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,480 Speaker 1: Russell and I said, Davis, that was a heck of 1066 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,960 Speaker 1: a throw, But I had to do with double take 1067 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,000 Speaker 1: because I I didn't know the receiver. You throw it 1068 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,319 Speaker 1: to number eighty four and I'm like, he goes, oh, no, no, 1069 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 1: remember him, remember him. He can do some things. So 1070 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,360 Speaker 1: it ought to be interesting to see if Alonzo Russell 1071 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,759 Speaker 1: has a good training camp and kind of works his 1072 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 1: way somehow into the mix. And Bundy was on the 1073 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 1: practice squad last season before he was called up later Cardinals, 1074 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 1: before the Giants, before the Giants. Yes, so that's another 1075 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,239 Speaker 1: young guy to watch out for. I think, to me, 1076 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,640 Speaker 1: you hit right on the nose with what you were saying, Paul. 1077 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,840 Speaker 1: I'm very intrigued to see what the wide receiver is 1078 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,239 Speaker 1: a gonna do come camp, because I don't think this 1079 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,680 Speaker 1: is a receiving corps that is full of a bunch 1080 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,399 Speaker 1: of names, notable commodities. But I do think there's potential here. 1081 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,400 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of athletes in this group 1082 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,200 Speaker 1: and a lot of players that could fill out the fourth, 1083 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,359 Speaker 1: the fifth, and the sixth spot. It's just a matter 1084 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,759 Speaker 1: of them showing consistency. That's what you want to see 1085 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,640 Speaker 1: out of this group. Who is going to be the 1086 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,640 Speaker 1: guy that's gonna show up on Monday make plays and 1087 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,520 Speaker 1: then Tuesday he's gonna be able to do the same thing. 1088 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,200 Speaker 1: And remember this, I'm gonna warn you folks about this 1089 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,560 Speaker 1: right now before you even get the training camp to 1090 00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,520 Speaker 1: watch these practices. Let's say the Giants do keep six 1091 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,920 Speaker 1: wide receivers on the fifty three. Don't be shocked if 1092 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,560 Speaker 1: on some game days they only dress four. Because Barkley 1093 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,280 Speaker 1: is gonna be a target. Angram is gonna be a target. 1094 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,320 Speaker 1: And there may be times when there are other guys 1095 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,920 Speaker 1: and other positions who are so much better on special 1096 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,800 Speaker 1: teams that they only draft or dress four wide receivers 1097 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,600 Speaker 1: on a given Sunday, or maybe even only three. That 1098 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 1: could happen. I don't think it's gonna happen a lot, 1099 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,680 Speaker 1: but it could happen because of options that they have 1100 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 1: at other positions who can contribute to the receiving game. 1101 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,439 Speaker 1: Let's head back to the lines. You brought up his name. 1102 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 1: His ears were burning. Coach, Marvin is on the line, coach, 1103 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,560 Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, coach, how are you doing? Paul preach 1104 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,960 Speaker 1: about the corners? Let the guy know, Marvin, Come on, no, 1105 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:55,640 Speaker 1: I agree that is has a very good skills. I 1106 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,760 Speaker 1: mean people need to look at the way he plays 1107 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 1: the man. He's always right on the man, and he's 1108 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,080 Speaker 1: very good and he get that recovery speed that you 1109 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,280 Speaker 1: have to have when you I mean, there's gonna be 1110 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,040 Speaker 1: times you're gonna get big playing corners. Probably one of 1111 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:15,320 Speaker 1: the most difficult positions to play on the field is corner, 1112 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,720 Speaker 1: and I mean he plays he plays the man very well. 1113 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,640 Speaker 1: I always feel that he needs to play as though 1114 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:27,160 Speaker 1: he's going to translate himself into the receiver. And that's 1115 00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:28,920 Speaker 1: what we used to try to I try to teach 1116 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,120 Speaker 1: my guys that once the ball is in the air, 1117 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,400 Speaker 1: the question I asked the kids who doesn't belong to 1118 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,760 Speaker 1: is on the offense of the defense because it actually 1119 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,320 Speaker 1: doesn't belong to anyone. So I always say, go get 1120 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,000 Speaker 1: the ball, So play the ball, take chances at every 1121 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: now and then you pick your spots when you want 1122 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,240 Speaker 1: to take those chances. And he has, I think the 1123 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,440 Speaker 1: thing he needs to work on and anticipation and as 1124 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,680 Speaker 1: far as what the routes that are being run, because 1125 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,600 Speaker 1: a lot of times situation football dictates the routes. Sure 1126 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,600 Speaker 1: does may see and if he can understand that, I 1127 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,640 Speaker 1: believe you, you've got an outstanding corner there and that. 1128 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,480 Speaker 1: And I said it earlier um this year when we 1129 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,640 Speaker 1: were trying to figure out who's going to be the 1130 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,800 Speaker 1: most improved, Eli Apple was the one. I threw his 1131 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,080 Speaker 1: name out there that that's the one because I like 1132 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,840 Speaker 1: his skill sets. I believe this guy can he can, 1133 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,280 Speaker 1: he can play. I mean people are under estimating him 1134 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,479 Speaker 1: based on what happened last year. I mean, you don't 1135 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,840 Speaker 1: get picked in the NFL. What was he the ninth 1136 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,720 Speaker 1: of roll pick? I believe it was the right so 1137 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,400 Speaker 1: and and then you get these guys, come and get them, 1138 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,920 Speaker 1: and them come, man, what do they do? They're going 1139 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,720 Speaker 1: to clean the slate? Why? Because they know he has 1140 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,200 Speaker 1: a skill set. If he didn't have it, I'm sure 1141 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,080 Speaker 1: they would have let him go based on what was 1142 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,480 Speaker 1: going on. What did they tell everybody? You don't give 1143 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,240 Speaker 1: up on talent, you don't. And he has the tirement 1144 00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,360 Speaker 1: to play, and um, I believe in him, and I 1145 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,360 Speaker 1: think it and watching what I could see as far 1146 00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,520 Speaker 1: as the practice says, I will be there this year. 1147 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,320 Speaker 1: I'm retiring and uh from the federal government in a 1148 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:12,320 Speaker 1: few days. Well, hopefully I see you guys up there. Well, 1149 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,640 Speaker 1: don't retire from our program. Okay, oh yeah, yeah. My 1150 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,080 Speaker 1: mother lives not too far from the stadium. She lives 1151 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,160 Speaker 1: in New York. And I grew up in North and 1152 01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,320 Speaker 1: I grew up with actually I grew up with Andre Tippett, 1153 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,680 Speaker 1: no Scars, Wow, outstanding Patriots linebacker. He was a good one. 1154 01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Yeah he was. And um, but back to what I said, 1155 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,560 Speaker 1: but watching him on the film I mean watching him 1156 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 1: on what I see online. He's you guys are there. 1157 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,120 Speaker 1: He's been playing the ball. I've seen him knocking the 1158 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,120 Speaker 1: ball away from guys and uh so all you have 1159 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,360 Speaker 1: to do is turn some of those into interceptions. So 1160 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,959 Speaker 1: you needed three or four those a year, and he's 1161 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,760 Speaker 1: on his way and that betall build his confidence, I believe. 1162 01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,960 Speaker 1: As far as playing the ball, but no doubt this 1163 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,040 Speaker 1: guy got talented. He does a half timent definitely terrific 1164 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,080 Speaker 1: called Marvin. You know, in some ways he reminds me 1165 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,479 Speaker 1: remember Will Allen out of Syracuse, the number one pick. 1166 01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,120 Speaker 1: He reminds me in some ways of Will Allen, who 1167 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,320 Speaker 1: was always in the right position. He could shadow guys 1168 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,760 Speaker 1: all the way down the field and then when it 1169 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,040 Speaker 1: came time to finish the play, Will with you to 1170 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,400 Speaker 1: deflected and the receiver would catch it and to be 1171 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,959 Speaker 1: a first down for the other team, or he would 1172 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,120 Speaker 1: just wave his hands at it and the guy would 1173 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,720 Speaker 1: just make a spectacular catch on his own. He was 1174 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,200 Speaker 1: always in position but couldn't finish, and he was a 1175 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,160 Speaker 1: very frustrating corner to watch because with a tremendous skill set, 1176 01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,360 Speaker 1: you expected more production out of him, and he just 1177 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,520 Speaker 1: teased you all the time. I think Eli Apple's I 1178 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,280 Speaker 1: think he can take it to the next level and 1179 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,960 Speaker 1: start to finish some more plays. Well, you said it 1180 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,000 Speaker 1: not too long ago. I don't know if you remember, 1181 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,440 Speaker 1: but you said something about Corey Webster. I put the 1182 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,840 Speaker 1: Corey Webster label on him. Corey went to a lot 1183 01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,840 Speaker 1: a lot of injuries though, Marvin, to be honest with you, 1184 01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:01,880 Speaker 1: the first three or four years that that Corey was 1185 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,400 Speaker 1: in the league, he had a lot of injuries. A 1186 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,480 Speaker 1: lot of the people didn't know about two. He was 1187 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,680 Speaker 1: really significantly banged up, and quite frankly, they wanted him 1188 01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,320 Speaker 1: to play off corner and he wanted to play press 1189 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,600 Speaker 1: man because that's what he did at L s U. 1190 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,840 Speaker 1: And I would talk to him and I would I 1191 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,840 Speaker 1: would discuss this with him, and he would talk about, 1192 01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,520 Speaker 1: how I know what my skill set is and this 1193 01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,720 Speaker 1: scheme doesn't fit my skill set, and it's like, why 1194 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,280 Speaker 1: did they draft me? Because they're asking me to play 1195 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,160 Speaker 1: a totally different kind of philosophy which he wasn't used 1196 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,080 Speaker 1: to were built for. And then finally when Spaggs got here, 1197 01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 1: although he had that first half of two thousand seventy 1198 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,920 Speaker 1: was in the doghouse. But when he finally got his 1199 01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,880 Speaker 1: act together and he messed with the press man that 1200 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,280 Speaker 1: Spags wanted him to play, Look how good he became, 1201 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,880 Speaker 1: right right, And I believe he was injured coming out 1202 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,560 Speaker 1: of that draft. He had a lot of he had 1203 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,200 Speaker 1: a hippy out of knee, of ankle, he had a 1204 01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:00,000 Speaker 1: lot of he had ribs, He had a lot of injuries. Yeah, 1205 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 1: good player though, good good players. All right, good to 1206 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,800 Speaker 1: talk to you guys, and hopefully I'll talk to you 1207 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,440 Speaker 1: next week. Alright, sounds good, Thank you, thank you, you 1208 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,640 Speaker 1: got it. Thanks so much for weighing in. That's gonna 1209 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,240 Speaker 1: wrap up Tuesday's edition a Big Blue Kickoff Live. Appreciate 1210 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,160 Speaker 1: all the phone calls, all the tweets. He can always 1211 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,400 Speaker 1: interact with us off the air at hashtag Giants Chat 1212 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,720 Speaker 1: for Paul to Tino on Lance Meado. We'll speak to 1213 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,640 Speaker 1: tomorrow right here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Have going