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Speaker 1: You were tuned about drive on Home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. M Welcome back. I am

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Speaker 1: Dale Lally here with Matt Williamson and Matt Um Football

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Speaker 1: Outsiders has tiered the offensive lines? Oh did that? Okay?

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Speaker 1: So I thought we'd take a look at that here

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Speaker 1: in the second segment, and um, well, it's it's interesting

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Speaker 1: they do this with grades. I've listened to their podcast.

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Speaker 1: They call him like, this is the d group, this

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Speaker 1: is the eight group. Okay, okay, So you want to

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Speaker 1: go from the top or you want to go from

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Speaker 1: the bottom. I'm a bottom up kind of guy. Bottoms up. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So their worst offensive line the only team that got

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Speaker 1: an f this year going into this season is the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. Wow. I think this is Mike Tanyer that

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Speaker 1: does this. He was the joy that the draft. Good dude,

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Speaker 1: Mike Tanier and Aaron Schatz. Else they also have by

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Speaker 1: Jeff Schwartz, uh teaming up with this and that's okay.

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Speaker 1: This is what they've been doing, is they? Tanyer does

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Speaker 1: his list. You put some in these buckets and then

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Speaker 1: shots and some guest star. I guess in this case

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Speaker 1: the Schwartz battle. It out and say you're too low

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Speaker 1: on this guy, you're too high on this guy, and

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Speaker 1: that's how they do it. Yeah, so that's pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: And they've invested there too. I mean they've used these

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Speaker 1: first round picks. They've they've they've tried to get that better.

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Speaker 1: Like a couple of these teams have done that that

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Speaker 1: are down here in this list, and uh, not so much,

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Speaker 1: not so not so good. Yeah. Right, they've got four

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Speaker 1: teams with a grade of a D. Okay, you get

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Speaker 1: the New York Football Giants, the Carolina Panthers, the Houston Texans,

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Speaker 1: and these Seattle Seahawks. What's interesting to me and listening

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Speaker 1: to the podcast this kind of adds up because I

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Speaker 1: think every one of those teams used a very early

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Speaker 1: pick on an offensive lineman. And I just know by

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Speaker 1: listening to the podcasts they are very hesitant to or

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Speaker 1: ken you know, Kenyan Green. That might fix it two

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Speaker 1: years from now, but I'm not gonna give you that

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Speaker 1: they all of a sudden everything is no more problems

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Speaker 1: anymore for right now. I agree, I agree, but there's

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Speaker 1: a good way of doing it. I guess. Uh, they

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Speaker 1: have six teams in the next tier up. This is

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Speaker 1: a d plus. Okay, that would be the Raiders. Oh,

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Speaker 1: they'd be really low for me. The Dolphins at least

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Speaker 1: they have two good guys. Now the Bears, the Jets,

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Speaker 1: the Titans, and the Steelers. Who was the first one

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Speaker 1: that I said it would be really low Raiders, Dolphins, Steelers, Bears, Jets, Titans.

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Speaker 1: That's actually the order that they have them listed in. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I really think Raiders and especially Bears would be there

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Speaker 1: think they're really bad units, which again, which is why

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Speaker 1: to me, it just continues to not make sense that

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Speaker 1: the Bears let James Daniels walk out the door, right,

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Speaker 1: It makes no sense at all. He's exactly what you

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Speaker 1: need at that contract, and maybe he'd rather play here

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Speaker 1: than there, but you at least got to be in

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Speaker 1: the game there, And I think that's fair to the

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Speaker 1: Steelers if they are and I'm again I'm going I'm

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Speaker 1: going backwards from how they've ranked these because they're not

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Speaker 1: in alphabetical order. So if the Steelers are two thirty

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Speaker 1: one five, if they have the twenty four best line

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Speaker 1: this year, that's an improvement over last year, not it's

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Speaker 1: improvement over last year. It's not a market improvement, but

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Speaker 1: it's still it's still you're going in the right direction

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Speaker 1: and you've got young guys who you would think maybe

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Speaker 1: push into Tier C. Yes, first off, I think would

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Speaker 1: all be disappointed if it's not better than last year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it has to be better than

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Speaker 1: last year. If it's not, that's you know, something we

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Speaker 1: should be critical of. Let's actually kind of the beauty

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Speaker 1: of what they've done in rebuilding this thing is they're

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Speaker 1: not married to any of these guys, right, They've got

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Speaker 1: them under contract. But if Chokes a core for is

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Speaker 1: bad this year, they can get out of that deal.

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Speaker 1: If James Daniels bad this year, they can get out

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Speaker 1: of Mason Cole. You know, pick whoever you want on

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Speaker 1: their Uh, they could they could go draft a guard.

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Speaker 1: They could go draft an offensive tackle next year early

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Speaker 1: You'd like it to be better, right, But again, it's

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Speaker 1: a step in the right directions with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: And I also think I expected to be better the

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Speaker 1: I mean. It's assuming they aren't destroyed by injuries or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So let's move on to Tier C here and tell

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Speaker 1: me if you think they could be better than any

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Speaker 1: of these lines. Okay, Tier C is the Bengals, the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: the Colts, the Jaguars, the Lions, the Vikings and Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: I think it's rough on the Lions. I think their

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Speaker 1: think they're at least a B right. I would definitely

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Speaker 1: take the Ravens and Bengals over the Steelers, although I

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Speaker 1: think the Bengals have a guard hole that their people

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of new faces and new places too.

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Speaker 1: He could have some growing pain, like if Ronnie Stanley

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Speaker 1: he is the game of three years. Yeah, and what

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Speaker 1: think you've mentioned so far. I agree, I agree. Who

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Speaker 1: are the others in that tire? I don't see if

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the Colts, the Jaguars, the Vikings, and Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Cardinals lines good. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's I mean, I think that they're kind of

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Speaker 1: like two weeks ago just because I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I looked at this, but it's amazing how little draft

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Speaker 1: resources they've used on their line since they used the

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Speaker 1: like eight years ago. I mean, it's all and they

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't swap their lines for the Steelers, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think the Jaguars lines is anything great. I know,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know that I pay branded shref what

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Speaker 1: Tier C plus the teams, you get a C plus.

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Speaker 1: There's five teams here. That's the Rams, So I don't

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Speaker 1: a couple. But the Niners interior old line. Again, we

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Speaker 1: Banks they drafted in the second round is a big maller.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't really fit. Their tackles are great, but the

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Speaker 1: again it was the Rams. The Ram Okay, I mean

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Speaker 1: listeners to name other starters on the Rams line don't

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Speaker 1: make it work. I mean, they have good players around them,

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Speaker 1: and they've never had a dominant line, but there's not

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Speaker 1: some those those teams all do have holes. Yeah, teams

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Speaker 1: in Tier B there are five. You got the Packers,

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Speaker 1: the Broncos, the Cowboys, Washington and Buffalo. Wow, they're all

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Speaker 1: bet his rookie year is not successful. Green Bay has

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Speaker 1: had a lot of injuries. They played a lot of

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Speaker 1: But none of those lines scream be beat here to me,

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Speaker 1: In Tier B plus Kansas City, Philadelphia, Cleveland? Is that

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Speaker 1: Lane Johnson is still really good. They put a lot

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Speaker 1: I think the Lions are getting getting the short end

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Speaker 1: probably got a top tennish offensive line. Um, that's the

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Speaker 1: talk about the Steeler's offensive line. If you again, and

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Speaker 1: offensive line is gonna be a top fifteen unit. Yes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean in a way one plus one equals three there,

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Speaker 1: fives and sixes and they end up being Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: not using this metaphor very well, but you'd have a

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Speaker 1: Jeff Schwartz. But interesting, uh, interesting little discussion there. So yeah, yeah, yeah, again,

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