Speaker 1: Wellchi wellgy wellichie.
Speaker 2: Guess who's crawling back.
Speaker 1: They thought they could defeat us, but we are undefeated.
Speaker 1: It's episode one oh three, and guess what we're talking
Speaker 1: about the Boston Celtics putting up I would say numbers
Speaker 1: from another dimension that we are trying to process what
Speaker 1: is happening with this team and are they going to go.
Speaker 3: All the way?
Speaker 2: And we'll also check in just just trying to ask
Speaker 2: our office.
Speaker 3: Is too good?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: Are they just too good? Yes? Yeah, yeah, please and
Speaker 3: make the basket smaller for the make the ball like
Speaker 3: a weird shape so that they can't make it as good.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, And we're gonna be doing all of that
Speaker 1: with comedian Josh Gondleman on today's episode.
Speaker 3: I'm Miles Gray and I'm Jack O'Brien and.
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Speaker 2: You be driving Spinny.
Speaker 3: LNS got up with five? Is gonna try another three?
Speaker 4: Mister hook On, James, be honest, look out show.
Speaker 1: Time, oh man, Josh Gondleman, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining him.
Speaker 3: A Gondan, He's a gondole.
Speaker 4: Job. I'm always telling people that exactly makes sense the
Speaker 4: way Jay Z says it, but not.
Speaker 3: The way that doesn't work at all.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: For people who don't know, Josh has worked on everything
Speaker 1: including last week tonight, Missus mays Well, Jesus and Marrow.
Speaker 3: You got a new.
Speaker 1: Comedy special, people Pleaser that's out now, and you're yeah.
Speaker 4: On tour and I'm recording a new special in Brooklyn
Speaker 4: in June. Yeah, I'm all over the place. I'm all
Speaker 4: over the country and then walking down this hour in Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: I'm very excited for our little do I need the
Speaker 4: home field advantage.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, such a people pleaser. He came back a second
Speaker 3: time on our podcast. Yeah, and you've taken advantage of it.
Speaker 3: We're thrilled to have you.
Speaker 2: Last time you were on, I felt like it was
Speaker 2: in the postseason.
Speaker 1: I think it was in the summer, so we didn't Yeah,
Speaker 1: we only had a lot of like you know, looking
Speaker 1: back to do and then a bit for But now
Speaker 1: we're in the season. What are we about three fourths
Speaker 1: of the way through now? Yeah, and uh, man, I
Speaker 1: hate to say this, but I love to see it.
Speaker 1: I guess your Boston Celtics are freaking me out. They're
Speaker 1: soaking me out, man, freaking me out.
Speaker 3: The Celtics are in the midst of what is being
Speaker 3: described as quote, perhaps the most dominant eleven game stretch
Speaker 3: in NBA history. Yeah, they have the largest point differential
Speaker 3: over any eleven game stretch in NBA history, seven points
Speaker 3: better than the next best, which was Bucks team with
Speaker 3: lou Alsander on it, which I believe that that was
Speaker 3: around the time they were like, we got to change
Speaker 3: the rules. Man, this guy is like too good at basketball.
Speaker 3: So that's like, you guys are better than that team
Speaker 3: where everyone was like, what were I don't even want
Speaker 3: to be here anymore? This guy is so good.
Speaker 4: They're like, we're so racist. We need to make dunking Yeah.
Speaker 3: Exactly, exactly should we just do that? What do we
Speaker 3: do here? Yeah? What about that? Like, what do you
Speaker 3: just pitches? What pitches were for? Rule changes?
Speaker 4: New legal defenses? You can crouch in the paint and
Speaker 4: push the offensive player over that guy's and.
Speaker 3: That's just hilarious.
Speaker 4: That's just good old, good old fashioned fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know how how has this felt
Speaker 3: from inside the head of a Celtics fan.
Speaker 4: I am finally starting to like feel not confident because
Speaker 4: I never feel confident, like as a person or a
Speaker 4: sports fan, but I'm starting to feel like comfortable watching
Speaker 4: these games and enjoying them and being like, oh, it's
Speaker 4: been since they lost to the Lakers, who had none
Speaker 4: of their starters playing that I was like, this, they
Speaker 4: shouldn't have lost this game, right. They lost a couple
Speaker 4: of close games, but most mostly they were losing occasionally
Speaker 4: against good teams. And now they're doing the thing that
Speaker 4: I need to do is just beating most good teams
Speaker 4: and beating the hell out of bad teams. They've got
Speaker 4: three fifty point wins this season, which is more than
Speaker 4: any other team in NBA history.
Speaker 3: Yes, too, that's too many.
Speaker 1: I mean the beating up on the amount of that
Speaker 1: the Celtics have enfranchise.
Speaker 4: His his history, Yeah, and they have within the last
Speaker 4: six unths.
Speaker 3: They're beating up on bad teams. But they're also I
Speaker 3: think our last episode, or maybe it was two episodes ago,
Speaker 3: but we were talking about how the Warriors were resurgent,
Speaker 3: yeah and looked really good. Last episode we were talking
Speaker 3: about how the Celtics are like historically great. So the
Speaker 3: Celtics what you know those two it was called the
Speaker 3: Boosties Bowl, you know, the Mad Boostis Bowl. Everyone was
Speaker 3: like the two teams they talked about in the most
Speaker 3: recent episode what's gonna happen, Like one of them is
Speaker 3: gonna have to win, and the Celtics beat them by
Speaker 3: fifty two points. It was like, not fair. It just
Speaker 3: seemed unfair. Again. I like back to the nineteen seventy
Speaker 3: one Bucks. I was like, this, we got to do
Speaker 3: something here about the rule in this an exhibition charity game.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, in fairness to the Bucks, they didn't have
Speaker 4: Brandon Pajemski, so like with him playing, it would totally
Speaker 4: would have been a different game, right, Yeah, completely different,
Speaker 4: totally different thing. Yeah, but that was I mean I
Speaker 4: listened to it on the radio. I was baking brownies
Speaker 4: for a little dinner party and I was listening. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was the next time. I actually I listened the
Speaker 4: whole game on the radio.
Speaker 3: At ESPN Radio dot Com.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I did the local, the NBA l's
Speaker 4: the local call. So I listened to Mike Gorman and uh,
Speaker 4: Cedric Maxwell, Sewn Sean Grandy and Centric Maxwell. Like Gorman
Speaker 4: did TV. He's about to retire. But it was so
Speaker 4: fun and they were by the third quarter, they were going, well,
Speaker 4: this is about to turn into a podcast, like they
Speaker 4: were just saying that we got nothing more to say
Speaker 4: about this. They were forty four at the half, and
Speaker 4: I like, I know sometimes for when it is not
Speaker 4: a team that you're interested in, you know, when you're
Speaker 4: just like, oh, what game is on Thursday night or
Speaker 4: Sunday afternoon, and it's a forty point blowed at halftime,
Speaker 4: You're like, well, I guess I won't watch the second half.
Speaker 4: And I kept the whole thing on and was just like.
Speaker 3: More har right, yes, yes, of course.
Speaker 4: Through you, which is like twiddling my fingers together, doctor evil,
Speaker 4: pinky finger to the corner of the lips, just all.
Speaker 3: The rings off the ground, right, Yeah, great, I had
Speaker 3: a great time. Oh man, that's the best feeling in
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 1: Was what about the expectation, right, because a lot of
Speaker 1: times we're we're getting closer to the postseason, the Celtics
Speaker 1: look amazing, and are you You're fully embracing You're like,
Speaker 1: this is like does it feel different? Are you doing
Speaker 1: the kind of thing You're like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: like put too much, you know, expectation on this because
Speaker 1: I don't want if in case the thing doesn't fall
Speaker 1: the way I needed to.
Speaker 4: I don't feel you know, I'm not like we're doing it.
Speaker 4: This is the year. But it does feel different in
Speaker 4: the last couple of years. It feels like twenty twenty
Speaker 4: two when they went to the finals, they had a
Speaker 4: terrible first half of the season, great second half of
Speaker 4: the season. This season, they've played uniformly pretty well, with
Speaker 4: a couple bad losses and a couple close losses to
Speaker 4: good teams and then one real blowout against the Bucks.
Speaker 4: So it's just like they've they've played uniformly while they're
Speaker 4: playing better than they have all season right now. And
Speaker 4: I kind of feel like if you don't let yourself
Speaker 4: believe at this point, like when do you get to
Speaker 4: you know, and especially and I understand the answer to
Speaker 4: that might be when you win the title, right, And
Speaker 4: if that's your answer, like if you're a Warriors fan
Speaker 4: or a Raptors fan that one time or whatever, then
Speaker 4: you can say that. But like, I live around Knicks
Speaker 4: fans and they'll talk, They'll go up ten in the
Speaker 4: first quarter and just be like, this is the greatest
Speaker 4: team of my life life. Yeah, it always a genius
Speaker 4: in my biological father.
Speaker 3: That's what I was saying last week.
Speaker 1: Jack, my friend who was like, yo, Jalen Brunts is
Speaker 1: the goat. I was like, that's just how Knicks fans are, like.
Speaker 1: It's like something like.
Speaker 4: This is it, this is it truly respected so much
Speaker 4: as someone who has has lived in you. I've lived
Speaker 4: in New York for about almost thirteen years, and I've
Speaker 4: like really come to respect and admire the way New
Speaker 4: Yorkers like anytime there's a glimmer of hope for any
Speaker 4: of the teams, they're like, this is the year, right,
Speaker 4: And the Yankees were like straight up bad this year,
Speaker 4: and the Red Sox were worse, but the Yankees were bad,
Speaker 4: and people at the beginning were like, yeah, they were
Speaker 4: just so bad, and then like and they never learn.
Speaker 4: It's like the next year they'll just be like, this
Speaker 4: is the.
Speaker 3: Well because they have like a propaganda TV network in
Speaker 3: MSG and like the Yankee Network. There is a whole
Speaker 3: television network that only shows wins. It just shows you,
Speaker 3: like historic victories by the Yankees, so you could just
Speaker 3: like live there, watch TV and assume the Yankees had
Speaker 3: never lost a game.
Speaker 4: Truly, like watching like the Vladimir Putin news exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have that for sports in New York it's
Speaker 3: such an interesting thing. I don't think it like I
Speaker 3: mean the Lakers like have you know, like there are
Speaker 3: definitely some Laker biased channels and shows out here, but
Speaker 3: there's not just like a closed universe where Yankees Yankee
Speaker 3: Dumb reigns supreme.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because there's also like that happens in Europe too,
Speaker 1: like Real Madrid and Barcelona to have their own TV
Speaker 1: channels that are twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3: Like Glory Days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some teams are just like that, where they're like,
Speaker 1: no man. Sometimes when you get stuck in a positive
Speaker 1: feedback loop forever, which.
Speaker 4: I again I respect because Knicks fans also will go
Speaker 4: straight to despair. But as soon as there is like
Speaker 4: one crumb of hope, they're just at eleven with confidence,
Speaker 4: which I respect. The Knicks win two games in a row,
Speaker 4: and every single person in New York City is just
Speaker 4: walking around with the confidence of like Biggy free styling
Speaker 4: and yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: The guy in the Spider Man suit is out in
Speaker 1: front of MSG Krick walking and stuff.
Speaker 3: They're like, what, Okay, he's getting sturdy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I will say the Celtics are I think last
Speaker 3: week we were marveling at the fact that the Celtics
Speaker 3: had entered the top ten for not Peer net rating
Speaker 3: of all time, of all time. They're on there with
Speaker 3: like Jordan's Bulls, the seventy two win Warriors, like all
Speaker 3: these historically great teams. Since we talked about that last week,
Speaker 3: they've gone to like fourth, I think, or second, depending
Speaker 3: on which net rating you're talking about. They are like
Speaker 3: a historically great team at a time when like there,
Speaker 3: this is not a this is not a year when
Speaker 3: anyone was like, oh, there's not a lot of talent
Speaker 3: in the league. This is like as talented as the
Speaker 3: league has been. There are definitely some teams that are
Speaker 3: you know that it's not there's not a ton of
Speaker 3: parody like in terms of you know, there are some
Speaker 3: pretty bad teams, but they are They're doing historically great
Speaker 3: in a league that is as stacked as the league
Speaker 3: has ever been.
Speaker 4: And they've had a few games like I think they
Speaker 4: beat the Wizards by four, and they beat they like
Speaker 4: went to overtime and beat the Pistons by two to
Speaker 4: barely extend their losing streak, Like yeah, they were gonna
Speaker 4: be the ones they broke it against, and they barely
Speaker 4: squeaked that game out and then they like close game
Speaker 4: against less until the third quarter one by twenty eight.
Speaker 4: Uh just absolutely ran away from the beginning.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a Scers fan, and we were playing
Speaker 3: you guys tight through the first half, and then it
Speaker 3: was just it was like, oh, you guys were sprinting.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, okay, we're gonna pull away now. But
Speaker 3: that was just sorry, yeah, time to us, to time
Speaker 3: for us, like the effortlessness with which you guys just
Speaker 3: put us away, Like granted without Embiid, but I don't
Speaker 3: know that it matters at this point.
Speaker 4: I'm I like, really, I'm genuinely and I don't say
Speaker 4: this in a condesce anyway, I'm genuinely sad that joe
Speaker 4: El Embiid has been out for so long. Like it
Speaker 4: I first of all, as a human person who's just
Speaker 4: like in pain every day, that must suck. Like my
Speaker 4: my wife is doing some physical therapy on her knees
Speaker 4: just from like general wear and tear, and like that
Speaker 4: seems miserable. And for him to be like, I can't
Speaker 4: go to work because my my knees are just like
Speaker 4: I'm there's no flesh, I'm just skeleton under my skin. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like that sucks and it's like such a wonderful worthy adversary,
Speaker 4: Like I love that clash.
Speaker 3: I don't love that He's like, and I'm coming back
Speaker 3: this year regardless of what a record is. Like, I
Speaker 3: love that as like a professional wrestler move. Yeah, they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's coming back. It doesn't but for the long term
Speaker 3: health of the seventy six ers and him, I don't
Speaker 3: love that. But I think this is good for the
Speaker 3: NBA too, because I think the whole nation other than
Speaker 3: Boston Celtics fans roots against the Celtics and now true
Speaker 3: like the narratives structure, The narrative structure of this season
Speaker 3: is rocky. For like, we have Ivan Drago in the
Speaker 3: NBA right now. It's the team that everyone doesn't like
Speaker 3: they have. They have actual Ivan Drago in this in
Speaker 3: the middle for them, they're like historically like punching the
Speaker 3: punch meter and it's like, you know, going to a
Speaker 3: million pounds and scientists glasses are breaking, which.
Speaker 4: I love that the Nuggets have Bizarro I've been dragging.
Speaker 3: Right yeah yeah, right yeah, sure, like kind of the
Speaker 3: Sylvester Stallone of the NBA like looks Funny doesn't really
Speaker 3: seem to care that much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Sylvester are still don have like equally thick accents,
Speaker 4: like you here when you're still in duck You're like,
Speaker 4: are you like Italian from Serbia?
Speaker 3: Want to be with my horses?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: I want to do? Who are you?
Speaker 2: Is there anyone you know looking?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Obviously getting to the finals is step one?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is there anybody you think is going to give you
Speaker 2: trouble at this one?
Speaker 1: Because I'm I mean, I think you know Jackson been
Speaker 1: saying for a while it's the Celtics versus the field, probably,
Speaker 1: But is there I.
Speaker 2: Mean, is it the Bucks?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 3: Who is there anyone you look at?
Speaker 2: Obviously you're not going to be cocky, but who do
Speaker 2: you actually like?
Speaker 1: This is one thing I am We really will have
Speaker 1: to rise to the occasion and show a little bit
Speaker 1: of a different dimension from past years to get through
Speaker 1: and get it done.
Speaker 4: I do think it would feel significant to beat the
Speaker 4: Heat this season. I think like there is it feels
Speaker 4: like there's a real narrative that the Heat have like
Speaker 4: dominated the Celtics, which in the past three conference finals,
Speaker 4: the heat of one that they played against each other,
Speaker 4: the Heat of one two the Celtics of one one,
Speaker 4: since it feels like legitimately a rivalry, but Miami Heat
Speaker 4: fans are like, no, we're a yachts row boat. And
Speaker 4: it's like like, let it be a rivalry, like we're
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, you guys ruled. It's like, no,
Speaker 4: both can be good and let it that's that's like
Speaker 4: what a clash of the Titans are right, you know, you.
Speaker 3: Guys are bad at basketball. Actually turns like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, leave it alone. Yeah that sucks.
Speaker 3: We're in seventh year in first leave it alone.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well, I mean, and then there's the national
Speaker 4: thing of like the Heats. The Heat have the league
Speaker 4: right where they want them, right on top of them,
Speaker 4: and it's like like, truly, it's what they accomplished last
Speaker 4: season was great and I think that that it was
Speaker 4: a pretty crushing Eastern Conference finals, and so I think
Speaker 4: it would be nice to vanquish them. But I think
Speaker 4: the Heat and the Bucks are tough. I like don't
Speaker 4: and you know, famous last words, but like I don't
Speaker 4: have a lot of fear of the Knicks, even at
Speaker 4: full strength. I don't have a lot of fear of
Speaker 4: the Calves, even at full strength at this point, and
Speaker 4: I like can't believe we would live in in a
Speaker 4: physical reality where Joe l Embiid's knee is sufficient to
Speaker 4: like for a deep playoff run this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it's the Nuggets, right, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I like, I'm at the point where I'm
Speaker 3: rooting for the Nuggets because I think They're the only
Speaker 3: team that has a chance of beating this help.
Speaker 4: I think the Nuggets have the best chance for sure.
Speaker 4: I think it would be a real knockdown, drag out
Speaker 4: series with with the Thunder and maybe the woll The Timberwolves,
Speaker 4: I don't. I have a little less confidence in them,
Speaker 4: But I just feel like shake Gill, just Alexander is
Speaker 4: to this point in the season, he would be number
Speaker 4: one if I had an MVP ballot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's perfectly fair.
Speaker 4: And I will say on the record, I'm a huge
Speaker 4: Jason Tatum fan. I think that, like, should he be
Speaker 4: the MVP of the league? Conversation feels like a little manufactured.
Speaker 4: He's just so good. But like, yeah, but I also
Speaker 4: as a hater, as a true Bostonian and hater anyone
Speaker 4: who votes Luka Doncic top two is just absolutely out
Speaker 4: of their mind, Like you can't their team is too bad.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, yeah, sure, the most valuable player. He
Speaker 4: heroically brought the MAVs to a forty six win season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with like a ninety eight percent usage, Like yeah, like.
Speaker 4: He's amazing at basketball. But it's like, let's be serious.
Speaker 3: Here, Yeah, amazing highlight reel though, one of the best
Speaker 3: shot makers. Should we take a break and come back
Speaker 3: and talk about how the league is too good and
Speaker 3: we need to make it work good looking at it
Speaker 3: so boring all these showing circle and we're back and
Speaker 3: I mean just quickly around the league. Bucks also looking good.
Speaker 3: It's kind of getting drowned out by the fact that
Speaker 3: the Celtics have one in eleven in a row, but
Speaker 3: the Bucks you're six and oh post in the Danilo
Speaker 3: Gallinari era, fans are calling, Yeah the gall Lebron James
Speaker 3: put in his forty thousandth point. There was a cool
Speaker 3: computer graphic of every one, like a shot chart of
Speaker 3: every one of his shots going out. That was kind
Speaker 3: of fun to watch.
Speaker 4: Chart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, more shot charts.
Speaker 4: Might have been Kirk Goldsberg. Someone did a Kaitlin Clark
Speaker 4: shot chart and I was like, I'll watch this still
Speaker 4: it's done.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, Kaitlyn Clark, I mean broke the
Speaker 3: all time n C DOUBA scoring record topped Pete maravich
Speaker 3: uh and is going into the draft this offseason. And
Speaker 3: then on the other side of the spectrum, Washington, we
Speaker 3: didn't nobody thought it was possible for somebody to catch Detroit,
Speaker 3: but they are now. They now have a worse record
Speaker 3: than Detroit. They're thirty nine and a half games back
Speaker 3: Detroit only thirty nine games back from the Celtics. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's yeah, nine and fifty one versus nine and fifty two.
Speaker 4: I think it's not their year.
Speaker 1: There's still time, right, wasn't Kuzma saying Son is like,
Speaker 1: you don't want to lose to that team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at this point, it's like that team talking about
Speaker 3: the Detroit losing streak. You're them Well yeah, well, well yeah.
Speaker 1: Jordan Poole is having an absolute laugh though. He's having
Speaker 1: a laugh over there.
Speaker 3: All right now the real question. Yeah. Tim Bo Temps
Speaker 3: and Kevin Pelton over on ESPN explored the topic that
Speaker 3: was on all our minds. Have offenses become too good? Yes? Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: Like I come for the missus, I come for the
Speaker 3: I come for the rebounding, the box outs.
Speaker 2: My favorite thing, seeing the bag off the heel of
Speaker 2: the rim.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just straight up.
Speaker 4: In the air, when iron sound, when a rebound would
Speaker 4: go past the three point line, if no one picked
Speaker 4: up what I want to see rebound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, just like real stiff rebound that fly.
Speaker 3: The miss is so much worse than anyone expected it,
Speaker 3: and everyone just kind of like walks out with like
Speaker 3: a little exasperation together.
Speaker 4: Violation.
Speaker 3: Oh man, now you're talking my language, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: second violations. Love it all. Love. The article is incredible
Speaker 3: because they answer the question like repeatedly because at first
Speaker 3: they're like, you know, some people say it's like a
Speaker 3: rules change. The rules did change back in two thousand
Speaker 3: and four, I think it was, so they've been for
Speaker 3: twenty years, and like the changed. Yeah, well the thing
Speaker 3: is changed, right, the thing that changed. They asked Mike Brown,
Speaker 3: who's been coaching since two thousand and five, and he's
Speaker 3: just like, no, everyone's just like way better now. Everyone's
Speaker 3: gotten better, man. Like, the shot making is incredible and
Speaker 3: we're getting great NBA players from literally like every country
Speaker 3: on earth. Yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 4: It's it's also there were like twenty five years of
Speaker 4: NBA history where it was just like uncouth to shoot
Speaker 4: three pointers, right right right?
Speaker 3: Oh, certain, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: It was just like impolite for a long time, and
Speaker 4: that's why the scores were low. And then people were like,
Speaker 4: maybe we should practice these shots that are worth more points.
Speaker 4: And now they're amazing at it, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I don't know if there's anything that could
Speaker 3: be done to like curb today's record scoring. Guys are
Speaker 3: just so freaking good compared to back then that it
Speaker 3: would be tough. It'd be tough. That's Mike Brown being like,
Speaker 3: compared to when I was also an NBA coach, Like
Speaker 3: you know, ten fifteen years ago, guys are just way
Speaker 3: too good at scoring the thing that people come to
Speaker 3: NBA basketball games to see.
Speaker 1: People are shooting the best ever from three point range.
Speaker 1: And these aren't like just open looks, these are like
Speaker 1: contested shots.
Speaker 4: Defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're making more free throws. Turnovers are at
Speaker 1: their lowest.
Speaker 3: That's like again like turnovers, they're taking care of the ball,
Speaker 3: they're doing all the things that your high school basketball
Speaker 3: coach shouts at you to do, Yeah, make your free
Speaker 3: throws and take care of the ball. They're doing both
Speaker 3: of those things.
Speaker 1: We're running ladders for every turnover.
Speaker 4: No, I think the one proposal that I heard that
Speaker 4: I was like, actually, this sounds kind of good is
Speaker 4: to for the I forget who said it, it.
Speaker 3: Was, it was me earlier, different rights.
Speaker 4: For the reps to call games more like the playoffs,
Speaker 4: so to let it get a little more physical, and
Speaker 4: I think the one the good thing about that is
Speaker 4: it empowers great defenders, because I do like watching great
Speaker 4: defenders play defense. But also when there are fewer calls,
Speaker 4: there are fewer replays, so you also thin out the replays, right,
Speaker 4: because it's not just like, oh I called a foul.
Speaker 4: Is it a fowl? Is it not? It's like it's
Speaker 4: not a foul and you have no chance to say yeah, sorry,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah. So I'm like yeah, sure, Like that's that
Speaker 4: seems exciting. But outside of that, it's like, let's do
Speaker 4: away with the corner threes.
Speaker 3: Why, yeah, right, so that you just can't shoot them anymore? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Why what? What would that even look? Like? The three
Speaker 3: point arc would just end over it.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, it would just stop it would be like
Speaker 4: a map in the fourteen hundred that there's just dragons
Speaker 4: made it on the corn here there at the end
Speaker 4: of the loss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like do not go there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, this is so silly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean also just on on a continuum.
Speaker 1: Like we've said, even from the start of the show,
Speaker 1: players are getting better and better. It's fun to watch
Speaker 1: people get better and better. And not only that, the
Speaker 1: game is becoming more popular around the world and we're
Speaker 1: getting there's just more people. There's just a larger sample
Speaker 1: of people that are getting better and better at basketball,
Speaker 1: and we just benefit from that. I mean, I get
Speaker 1: the thing of like being like, hey, let them play,
Speaker 1: because I do miss those, you know, like nineties playoff basketball,
Speaker 1: But at the same time like seeing some of these performances,
Speaker 1: just like what is going on and how.
Speaker 4: I also think it's not like we're not seeing thrilling
Speaker 4: defense played right, Like right numbers too high is like
Speaker 4: a banana's complaint. Like you watch an All Star game
Speaker 4: and you go, oh, that's what it looks like when
Speaker 4: nobody plays defense. Yeah, exactly, Watch Victor wein Banyama play
Speaker 4: and you're like, he's making defensive plays that I've never seen.
Speaker 3: I just watch him play defense. I like pay attention
Speaker 3: to only him on defense.
Speaker 4: Because human body is capable of playing defense like that.
Speaker 4: So it's like, okay, there there are examples, right, Like
Speaker 4: there are teams that are worse at defense. So it's
Speaker 4: not like defense doesn't make a difference in the league.
Speaker 4: Does that make sense? Yeah, Like you watch the the Celtics,
Speaker 4: you watch the Timberwolves, the Knicks when they're healthy, and
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, yeah, these teams can like lock down
Speaker 4: when it's time to lock down. It's just that, like
Speaker 4: the level of locking down has has gone up with
Speaker 4: the the you know, the floor is a little higher,
Speaker 4: the ceilings a little higher. But like if defense weren't
Speaker 4: a thing that then you there wouldn't be teams that
Speaker 4: were better at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, there should be. Making has gotten so good
Speaker 3: that they can lock down less than they used to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: Like but they can still they'll still lock down and
Speaker 3: the Yeah, the shot making is just at a different level.
Speaker 3: It's a luxury that they have now. And like that.
Speaker 3: The thing with the playoffs is, yeah, the refs call
Speaker 3: it a little bit differently, but also people are playing
Speaker 3: much more intensely, you know, at a higher level with
Speaker 3: more physicality, because it's like one of you know, sevens,
Speaker 3: it's not one of eighty two. And so it's just
Speaker 3: a change of the mentality. Yeah, but yeah, I truly
Speaker 3: I think the thing that people are witnessing is that basketball,
Speaker 3: more than any other sport, is like everyone's getting better
Speaker 3: every season. Like you can just see it, like the
Speaker 3: like I remember watching like basketball in the nineties and
Speaker 3: then like seeing a clip from the eighties and being like,
Speaker 3: who are these guys out there just like running around
Speaker 3: with like the mustaches, you know, guys like in short
Speaker 3: shortes with like big knee pads, and like he's just
Speaker 3: doesn't Yeah, there's no athleticism. And then the nineties it
Speaker 3: got better. And now if you look at like today's
Speaker 3: players compared to then, it's just a completely different level
Speaker 3: of everybody being able to make shots, make like more
Speaker 3: difficult shots. It's incredible and it's fun. Like that's what's
Speaker 3: great about the Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Who's ever seen a made basket in the envy had
Speaker 4: been like two eies. This is an affront in the
Speaker 4: eyes of basketball fans.
Speaker 1: Well, because you have like you know, like you know
Speaker 1: Drew Holliday has said, like, just let us play a
Speaker 1: little bit more physically, yeah, and then I can then
Speaker 1: like you know, cause those are like that's sort of
Speaker 1: like the level of dissent is like people, I don't
Speaker 1: know if people are gonna put up he said, pe
Speaker 1: quote people like to see people get sixty and seventy
Speaker 1: and do all that. How are you going to do
Speaker 1: that if somebody can be physical and be handsy and
Speaker 1: be aggressive in that way. So I personally don't think
Speaker 1: that the balance is there, And that's more of like
Speaker 1: that's more level than people being like completely off balance.
Speaker 2: This is the world's gone ay wire. Like yeah, that
Speaker 2: that's a small tweak.
Speaker 1: And Joe Dumars he's just saying like, yeah, man, a
Speaker 1: lot of people are calling us saying like you need
Speaker 1: to look into this, and he's saying for his sort
Speaker 1: of defense here as quote, it's not to that point
Speaker 1: yet in terms of like looking at what can be
Speaker 1: done specifically from a rules standpoint. It's like, quote, we're
Speaker 1: diving into the data right now, just a ton of
Speaker 1: film and putting together ton of reels to be able
Speaker 1: to look at this and go, okay, yeah, we do
Speaker 1: have a problem, but you don't make changes like that
Speaker 1: just on.
Speaker 2: An anecdotal call, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And to his point too, I think he said people
Speaker 1: are like with all these high scoring games, people were like.
Speaker 3: Did you see what Booker did?
Speaker 2: Did you see what Embiid did?
Speaker 4: Did you see?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Those are those are the moments that I am texting
Speaker 1: other people about because it is just so different.
Speaker 2: And yeah, there's some.
Speaker 3: People who cause it don't play defense.
Speaker 1: But at the same time like, yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: it's cool to see somebody just go out of body
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like Garl Anthony Town's scoring sixty in a loss,
Speaker 4: and it's like they that that's like seventy to win.
Speaker 4: There wasn't a Karl Anthony Towns twenty years ago. There
Speaker 4: wasn't like, you know, until like Dirk Nowitsky started shooting
Speaker 4: from distance at that size. It's like that that guy
Speaker 4: just didn't exist in nineteen ninety two, whatever, thirty three,
Speaker 4: thirty two years ago. They would have had him on
Speaker 4: the block just like thumping against other guys and some
Speaker 4: of them. It's like a beautiful style of basketball.
Speaker 3: And it came from outside of the US, you know.
Speaker 3: Direk was like, oh yeah, what And now we have
Speaker 3: Embiid who's like, what if Shack had the touch of dirt?
Speaker 4: Like shock, oh, Joel Embiid the what he does for
Speaker 4: the myth of you can't shoot free throws because you're
Speaker 4: a real.
Speaker 3: Big they're too big.
Speaker 4: So funny, we're just like someone should just make Shack
Speaker 4: watch Joel Emband shoot free throws for like an hour
Speaker 4: and be like and you couldn't have gotten half this good.
Speaker 4: It's my wrist, okay, the same begands. Yeah, so silly.
Speaker 4: It's it's such a goofy, like it's such an ESPN
Speaker 4: pilled conversation, like you've gone through the looking glass.
Speaker 3: To their defense. I think they knew that because the
Speaker 3: article like just a very clear like has like five
Speaker 3: great arguments. Like it turns out the biggest driver in
Speaker 3: the NBA's recent residents scoring is team's getting smarter about
Speaker 3: how to attack defense. It's just like, no, everyone's better
Speaker 3: and smarter and doing exactly what they should do if
Speaker 3: they want to score.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Drew Holiday is also like exactly the guy
Speaker 4: who would make that argument right of like, yeah, you
Speaker 4: let me body a guy up and he's not going
Speaker 4: to score seventy times. Yeah, I believe that from him.
Speaker 4: He's a guy that like makes his money being just
Speaker 4: like an incredible defensive player, and he would be more
Speaker 4: incredible if the rules permitted. But like, do we want?
Speaker 4: Is that what we want from.
Speaker 3: The least what we need? Yeah? Ah, when you guys
Speaker 3: got through Holiday, I was just like, we're all screwed.
Speaker 3: Let's see, all right, maybe maybe five years.
Speaker 4: I was so sad when they traded Marcus Smart. I
Speaker 4: was in I remember where it was. I was in
Speaker 4: Oklahoma City and I was like on a in a
Speaker 4: hotel room and I was just like, oh man, I'm
Speaker 4: sad about this team. It's it's like the end of
Speaker 4: an era. And then they got through Holiday and I
Speaker 4: was like, or he's really filled the Marcus Smart shaped
Speaker 4: hole in my heart as they say where I'm from,
Speaker 4: the Marcus Smart shaped hole in my hat?
Speaker 3: Yeah, smart shaped hole in the hot amazing. Let's uh,
Speaker 3: should we take a break and come back and put
Speaker 3: Josh through the gauntlet? Yeah the yeah, that's what you think.
Speaker 3: And then already come at you.
Speaker 2: Got some got some tough ones party, John.
Speaker 3: We'll be right that.
Speaker 4: Dan.
Speaker 3: We're back, I've heard Miles say, And we're back before,
Speaker 3: but not liking his chops.
Speaker 4: Right, he's at playoff intensity.
Speaker 3: Like this in a little right now. I've never seen
Speaker 3: them like this. Josh.
Speaker 1: We love you, man, We love you, but it's time
Speaker 1: to cook you in the fourth quarter. It's the rapid
Speaker 1: fire round of questions, the fastest question answer segment of
Speaker 1: all sports podcasting history on NBA Podcasts, hosted by two
Speaker 1: guys who also do a daily show about news and politics.
Speaker 3: Okay, very specific category, but we do in that category
Speaker 3: top three. I mean to be fair, Yeah, exactly, that's right.
Speaker 3: So we are too. Okay, So here we go.
Speaker 4: In the league. It sounds just say South francey.
Speaker 3: The south of Boston.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm from the south of Yeah, south from
Speaker 4: the south of Boston.
Speaker 1: Now get ready, Josh, We're gonna ask you a question.
Speaker 1: Just don't think respond, reply rapidly so we can maintain
Speaker 1: our crown of being in the top three. Okay, here
Speaker 1: we go. You've done it before, so I don't have
Speaker 1: to tell you anything. But I do have to tell.
Speaker 4: Brian start the clock.
Speaker 3: Okay, Brian, just do what he says. Yeah, got a
Speaker 3: crazy all right, he did it, he did it, he
Speaker 3: did it. He's got it. He's got it. Okay, what
Speaker 3: do you want? Do you want to start first? You
Speaker 3: want to start first?
Speaker 4: Want to start first?
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, here's an easy one.
Speaker 2: We're talking nineties throwback jerseys.
Speaker 1: Okay, you can pick three of these nineties throwbacks to
Speaker 1: preserve forever. What are your top three nineties throwbacks from
Speaker 1: this image?
Speaker 4: We are going Sonics obviously for posterity.
Speaker 2: Then Gary Peyton Sonics yep, yep, Yah Friday Nineties yep.
Speaker 3: We are in orbit around the Sonics logo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it rules. We are going Sons, incredible basketball sons
Speaker 4: streaking across the jersey. Yes.
Speaker 3: And this guy likes basketballs and his logos.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then we're switching it up. Charlotte Hornets Classics
Speaker 4: starter jacket colors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Larry Johnson Charlotte horn Its colors.
Speaker 1: That was honestly such an iconic era, like aesthetically in
Speaker 1: the NBA, like when that when that team was out,
Speaker 1: I remember buying like every pair of Converse like I
Speaker 1: used to be a Nike head. But Grandmama, that blew
Speaker 1: my mind. I was like, Mom, I need cons with React.
Speaker 4: Juice, cos I need cons with the React juice, the
Speaker 4: regular ones, the juice in these cons What the heck?
Speaker 2: This ain't react juice.
Speaker 4: This is sunning here.
Speaker 3: I know this one.
Speaker 4: It's fits the fruit punch one.
Speaker 3: We got purple stuff, react juice. What do you want
Speaker 3: all about the react? Yeah? I never fully understood the promise,
Speaker 3: the physics that were implied by react juice. It was like,
Speaker 3: I go this way, the juice goes the other way.
Speaker 3: It balances you out and allows you to react. Yeah,
Speaker 3: don't worry, we were It's you know how you play
Speaker 3: your best basketball when your shoes are wet? Yeah, just
Speaker 3: imagine that the heaviness. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: You ever been in the rain and your your shoes
Speaker 1: get soaked down to the insole and then you walk.
Speaker 3: Out there in reaction juice converse, react juice. Just a
Speaker 3: clip of Larry Johnson dunking with like a squaw sound?
Speaker 3: Does he take?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 3: All right? We got some more likely to happen for you,
Speaker 3: our patented more likely to happen. Second more likely to happen?
Speaker 3: And why Orlando Magic Eastern Conference Finals run or the
Speaker 3: Cleveland Calves Eastern Conference Final run.
Speaker 4: Cleveland Calves Eastern Conference Finals run, But neither one's gonna
Speaker 4: happen yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the correct answer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, okay, Thunder or Wolves Western Conference Final run.
Speaker 4: I think Thunder, Yeah, I think is the best player
Speaker 4: on either of those teams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she is so good.
Speaker 2: You see the loose to the Lakers.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys got that what they
Speaker 1: lost to the don't if you saw that to the Lakers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I did think. And Miles, you were proposing
Speaker 3: a rule. You were saying enough like the offense the
Speaker 3: offensive defensive balance is fine? Yeah, world chance and just
Speaker 3: a just an idea that you're spitball in here. But
Speaker 3: do you want to pitch it to Josh.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like it's it's called like the warrior logic
Speaker 1: of the ancient times, which is you assume the position
Speaker 1: in the standings of the team you beat.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, kind of like Mega man, you steal their
Speaker 4: power exactly. Thank you. I think that's fine.
Speaker 2: I Rockaman for my Japanese listeners.
Speaker 4: Yes, I thought you were going to say, any player
Speaker 4: who is thirty nine and over, they get an extra
Speaker 4: point five point every bad.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, we don't need to encourage that.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say this and curse the Lakes.
Speaker 3: But it is interesting to me that of all the
Speaker 3: teams in the top net rating top ten, uh, the
Speaker 3: only ones that didn't win the title were beat by
Speaker 3: Lebron James. Jeames.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's you know, he's really good.
Speaker 3: He's still pretty good.
Speaker 2: He's good when he wants, he's good when you he
Speaker 2: can be. Yeah, that's we just needed to be a
Speaker 2: little more consistent.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's not about them, it's about you. Who's more
Speaker 1: likely to happen? What's more likely to happened to?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: Tatum finals MVP or Jokic second finals MVP.
Speaker 4: Oh? I think Jokic second finals MVP because I think
Speaker 4: that there's a better chance that if the Celtics win,
Speaker 4: it could be one of a couple guys. And I
Speaker 4: think if the Nuggets win, it's Jokic. Yeah, I see,
Speaker 4: I see, okay, Okay, that's fair. The Celts are stacked.
Speaker 4: How you say stacked?
Speaker 3: How you say.
Speaker 4: That's still yeah?
Speaker 3: How you say, uh, what is the one moment or
Speaker 3: game from NBA history you wish Twitter had been around for?
Speaker 4: Oh man, that's a great question. One game from NBA history?
Speaker 4: I think what's like a maybe the Rudy tom Janovic punch.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, maybe that or or you know what,
Speaker 4: I think the greatest. I think this would have sent
Speaker 4: New York City, like New York City's power would have
Speaker 4: gone out from all the tweets. Is Stark stunking over Jordan?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, New York and just exploding.
Speaker 3: It's been so long since they've been good that, Like,
Speaker 3: I that's a really good point. Like that's gonna be
Speaker 3: a whole social media event when they're making finals runs
Speaker 3: like yeah, oh yeah, oh my god, yeah, insufferable.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's gonna be so bad.
Speaker 2: Who's the most underrated NBA social media follow.
Speaker 4: Oh that's a good question. I'm not. I don't follow
Speaker 4: a ton of players. I do think. I do love
Speaker 4: both art, but maked sports and NBA. I think NBA
Speaker 4: dats is great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I have the Jason Potato hat where it's Jason Tatum
Speaker 4: as little Potato. I almost got my dad. The Derek
Speaker 4: Walter white hoodie was just Derek front of the band
Speaker 4: from Breaking Bad.
Speaker 3: With the shaved head.
Speaker 4: Now obviously I think this is pre shaved head.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, wow, Yeah that's a better yeah right ye,
Speaker 3: just his little flat top with around it Eisenberg.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it should they should have one of him chasing
Speaker 4: down opposing player that says I am the one who blocks.
Speaker 3: That would be pretty I'm in.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: I like that. That's I hope they're listeners. I mean
Speaker 3: they probably are. We are the number two NBA.
Speaker 1: I'm already selling it on red Bubble now. I just
Speaker 1: designed to what's for sale now? Yeah, look for my
Speaker 1: red Bubble store.
Speaker 3: All right, NBA player who is not Blake Griffin that
Speaker 3: could have a comedy career.
Speaker 4: You know who's been I'm trying. I've been really thinking
Speaker 4: about whether this guy's funny or he's just on a
Speaker 4: heater right now. Luke Cornett, Lake Cornett, he he like hit,
Speaker 4: he hit a shot and then did this weird like
Speaker 4: celebration where he was just kind of like karate chopping
Speaker 4: his face and then he recently they talked about this
Speaker 4: on No Dunks Today, but Celtics Twitter was a buzz
Speaker 4: about it the other day that they were like favorite
Speaker 4: movie villain, like one of those like in Arena pro
Speaker 4: like Little Bumpers, and Luke Cornett went personal trauma from
Speaker 4: Goodwill on Oh my God, She's so funny.
Speaker 3: That's really good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I'm kindad. I made a mental note
Speaker 4: today to be like, I get to reach out to
Speaker 4: my sources to see if he's really funny, right right?
Speaker 3: Oh man, okay, cents, well know uh, Boosty's listeners will
Speaker 3: know Lou Cornett from the inventor of the Cornett Contest,
Speaker 3: which I think I haven't seen as much of it
Speaker 3: this season, but I feel like we're going to start
Speaker 3: seeing it come back because web Bingama is going to
Speaker 3: use it to actually blockshot somehow.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, from the paint mister Burns blocking out the sun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Houser did it in the game against the Warriors, I think,
Speaker 1: and then shout it out Cornett after so funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a thing. That's the thing. That's what you
Speaker 4: showed when you say.
Speaker 3: It used to be kobeb but now it's Cornette cold
Speaker 3: straight up.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: And this is a real important question, Josh.
Speaker 1: You're on a life raft in the sea and you
Speaker 1: come upon Jason Tatum and Bill Russell in the water.
Speaker 3: They need help, but you.
Speaker 2: Can only fit one more person in the raft.
Speaker 3: Who are you saving? Look?
Speaker 4: Bill Russell's playing dancer long behind him as wow as
Speaker 4: he did pass away a couple of years ago. Wow,
Speaker 4: he is an American civil rights icon, so I think
Speaker 4: it has to be. And he's an older man, less
Speaker 4: good at swimming somewhere, you go. It's assuming he's.
Speaker 3: Still alive at all swim. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got that.
Speaker 3: He's going to fight in him.
Speaker 4: Yeh, he's playing those thirty eight minutes a game. You
Speaker 4: can swim, Bill wrestle gets in the raft gets you
Speaker 4: or nine rings in eleven years gets you in the raft,
Speaker 4: or eleven and.
Speaker 3: Thirteen gets you in the raft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're trying to design that question to really really
Speaker 1: put a twist. How about this, What if it were
Speaker 1: Twan or Paul Pierce?
Speaker 4: Oh, I think it's I think I'm taking the truth. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: he's God, he's such a funny figure around the league
Speaker 4: where he just goes to Celtics regular season games like
Speaker 4: like a twenty two year old at his old high school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, you know where I am. Yeah this
Speaker 2: was Paul Pierce. Yeah, yeah, that's me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like one of the best to ever play
Speaker 3: for our team. Yeah yeah, I just wanted to make sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah my jacket, yep, what was The best anecdote we
Speaker 3: got from Doc Rivers' brief break from coaching was when
Speaker 3: he was talking about how the Celtics coaches when Paul
Speaker 3: would get on the team bus with the sunglasses on,
Speaker 3: they would be like, oh, no, Pierre's here, which meant
Speaker 3: like he'd gone out the night before, like he was
Speaker 3: not going to be very good.
Speaker 4: Pierre documentary about over called Pierre up there.
Speaker 3: The Pierre up there. Josh gondle Man. Yeah, what a
Speaker 3: pleasure in the books. Thank you so much for doing it.
Speaker 3: Where can people have me? Where can people find you?
Speaker 3: Follow you, see you all that good stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm at Josh Gondleman across social media Josh Gondleman dot
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Speaker 4: coming up Bloomington, Indiana, next to the New Orleans shooting
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Speaker 4: for LeHo and I do a weekly newsletter called That's Marvelous.
Speaker 4: That is it's free, you can sign up for it.
Speaker 4: It's full of pep talks and sometimes I talk hoops.
Speaker 4: But I think a lot of people get bored when
Speaker 4: I do that, So.
Speaker 2: Well, here, come back and do that with us because
Speaker 2: I appreciate.
Speaker 4: This is such a pleasure as allways, and make.
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Speaker 2: You can follow me on Twitter at Miles of Gray.
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Speaker 3: it for us. Another one in the books. Many they said,
Speaker 3: I mean more than anything. They said yes, they said
Speaker 3: we couldn't make it to one hundred episodes. They definitely
Speaker 3: said no chance one hundred and three. Well look at us.
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