1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in now number two Clay 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: with us as we are rolling through the Monday edition 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: of the program. I hope all of you had fantastic weekends. 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: I am down on the Florida Gulf Coast, an area 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: that used to be represented by Joe Scarborough before he 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: lost his mind and became the chief propagandist of the 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: Biden regime. We've got a bunch of different stories to 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: talk to. By the way, the Attorney General of Texas, 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: Ken Paxton, is going to join us in the third 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: hour of the program to talk about what's going on 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: at the border and all of the battles that he 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: is fighting right now over the over the Biden administration's 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: attempts to take over much of what Texas can do 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: to protect itself. Buck and I hung out with Ken Paxton, 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: among others at the at the Texas Alabama game in 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: Austin a couple of years ago. 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 2: Good guy. 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: We enjoyed hang out with him there, so we will 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: talk to him in the third hour. But I wanted 22 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: to play this for you, guys, because I thought this 23 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: confrontation encapsulates so much of the dishonesty that exists in 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:27,279 Speaker 1: the media today. Nancy Mace, who is a congresswoman from 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: South Carolina, is a rape survivor, and she told her 26 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,279 Speaker 1: story about being a rape survivor publicly before. 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: I believe she's been on the show several times. 28 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: She's also a graduate of the Citadel. I think she 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: was the first woman to graduate from Citadel if I 30 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: remember that story correctly. Her father and other members of 31 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: her family are certainly and have been in the past 32 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: big beneficiaries of our country has benefited from the service 33 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,279 Speaker 1: that they put forward. But I thought this was pretty 34 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: pretty crazy, and I want to play this audio for you. 35 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 1: This was on NBC's Morning Show. These morning shows don't 36 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: really get watched like they used to. But George Stephanopoulos 37 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: asks Nancy Mays how she can support Trump given that 38 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: Trump has been found to be liable for rape. Is 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: what he says. I want you guys to listen to 40 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: this audio. 41 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: You've endorsed Donald Trump for president. Donald Trump has been 42 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: found liable for rape by a jury. Donald Trump has 43 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: been found liable for defaming the victim of that rape 44 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge. 45 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 4: It was not a criminal court case. Number one. Number two, 46 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 4: I live with shame, and you're asking me a question 47 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 4: about my political choices, trying to shame me as a 48 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 4: rape victim, and I find it disgusting and quite frankly, 49 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 4: Egene Carroll's comments when she did get the judgment, joking 50 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 4: about what she was going to buy. It makes it 51 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 4: harder for women to come forward when they make a 52 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 4: mockery out of rape, when they joke about it. And 53 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 4: you're trying to shame me this morning, I'm saying, and 54 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 4: I find it offensive, and this is why women won't 55 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 4: come forward. 56 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 3: Women won't come forward because they're defamed by those who 57 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 3: perpetrate rape. 58 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 4: Donald they are judged and their shame, and you're trying 59 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 4: to shame me this morning. I think I told my story. 60 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: It took me twenty five years to tell my story. 61 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 4: I was judged for I still get. 62 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: Judged for it today. 63 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: Asking you a very simple question and I answered it. 64 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 4: You're shaming me for my political choice. 65 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: I give a lot of credit to Nancy mace here 66 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: Clay because Stephanopoulos was doing the usual you know, slimy 67 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: live media trick here of saying something and pretending like 68 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: that's not what they're really doing. Right, He's the whole 69 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: point of pushing her on this, This isn't in the 70 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: news right now. What the whole point of pushing her 71 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: on this is you were rape? How can you support 72 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: a rapist? That's what he's saying, right, That is the 73 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: subtext of why he is pushing her on this issue, 74 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: and she rightly points out, hold on a second, why 75 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: are you using my personal story as a means of 76 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: going after my politics, shaming me? But also what's really 77 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: bothersome is that they've used and this was the game along. 78 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: This is a little bit like what they did to Kavanaugh. 79 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: They use this very fuzzy standard as a stand in 80 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: for beyond a reasonable doubt standard and then say, well, 81 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: it's like the same thing you've been proven guilty in 82 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: a quarter for byron Yorke points out, he wasn't actually 83 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 2: found liable for rape, by the way, He's found liable 84 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: for like sexual Like. 85 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: That's a big deal here. That that, to me is 86 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: if you're gonna do this buck this gotcha attack on 87 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: Nancy Mace, there is a difference. 88 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: In people miss is the thing that he's found liable for. 89 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: The jury actually found that Trump did not rape her, 90 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: so George stepping out, and that's by a preponderance of 91 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: the evidence standard, not beyond a reasonable doubt standard. 92 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: So that means that the actually been official to Trump 93 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 2: no grounds whatsoever for a beyond reasonable doubt standard of 94 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: a conviction rape. If you can't get a rape conviction 95 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: on a preponderance of the evidence standard, you know, we're 96 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: in the stratosphere of beyond a reasonable doubt. 97 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: So what is interesting here? And we talked about it 98 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: at the time, and this is pretty egregious for George Stepanopolis. 99 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: By the way, ABC this week, I think I said NBC. 100 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: He's on ABC to the extent that any of you care, 101 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: but I want to make sure I get that right. 102 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: This is a big thing for him to get wrong, 103 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: Buck because when he's saying Donald Trump has been a 104 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: judged a rapist, that's a factual Why that is not true? 105 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: In fact? 106 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: And I don't know that Nancy Mace, she probably wasn't 107 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: prepared for this question. I mean, you don't expect to 108 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: get grilled like this. I've never seen anything like it. 109 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: Because there are a couple of things she could have 110 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: responded now get to them in a sec if she 111 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: had been maybe we should ask Nancy Mace if she 112 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: wants to come, because I do think she deserves the 113 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: right to give a full response without being grilled on 114 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: this on live television. But a couple of things. Sexual 115 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: assault and rape are different, very often under the criminal 116 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: code or even under a civil code, and some of 117 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: you out there are not because those phrases get sometimes 118 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: wrapped together, but they are distinct in New York. And 119 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: so you cannot have raped someone and have also then 120 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted them. And I think many times we use 121 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: those phrases interchangeably. And I think that's where George Stephanopoulos 122 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: stepped all over himself here. This is an indefensible error, 123 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: in my opinion, by someone who has an entire staff 124 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: and was preparing for this gotcha question. 125 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: So if he had said. 126 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: Trump has been found liable by preponderance of the evidence 127 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: in New York of sexual assault, that's very different. 128 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it just is. 129 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: You could be guilty of sexual assault if you walk 130 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: up to somebody in theory on the subway and grab 131 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: their genitals, grab their breast or something that could be 132 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: sexual assault, it would not be rape. So this jury, 133 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: without Trump even testifying in his defense, the jury in 134 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: New York said he did not rape her by a 135 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: preponderance of the evidence standard. That means they believe it 136 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: didn't happen. And then they said, but we do believe 137 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: he sexually assaulted her. That means that jury decided that 138 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: he inappropriately touched her. That and now here's the other thing, 139 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: uh buck, She could have fired back, Joe Biden has 140 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: been credibly accused of sexual assault. And that's what I 141 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: think she should have if she had been prepared. How 142 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: is anybody going to endorse him? 143 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: Well, a few things. One the jury, and this often 144 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: happens is why there's such a different standard in a 145 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: civil versus a criminal trial. Different standards of evidence, different 146 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: standards of how you weigh the evidence. The jury mays say, well, look, 147 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: we can't you know, we don't know it's a he said. 148 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: She said, we don't know if he raped her, So 149 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: it's only civil. Let's say that we'll take the you know, 150 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: we'll split the baby, so to speak, and we'll do 151 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: a sexual assault but not not liable for the actual 152 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: rape or the act of you know, forcible penetration, whatever 153 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: it may be under the statute. So you know, they 154 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: may they might just give him the and this often happens. 155 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: One of the reasons why actually prosecutors, even in criminal trials, 156 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: sometimes we'll throw all these different counts in there because 157 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: they figure maybe a jury will say, well, we want 158 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: to get them on one thing, not the top count, 159 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: We'll get them on something else. So that may have 160 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: factored in here. Especially in a civil case where no 161 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: one's going to prison, you may say, you know, maybe 162 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: she's telling the truth, maybe she's not. We'll go for 163 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: the lesser, the lesser of the two. But even beyond that, 164 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: to your point on Joe Biden, Okay, so guess what 165 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: if if Joe Biden lived in a state you know 166 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: that was very red and they decided to change state 167 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: statute to allow for a specific anti Joe Biden lawsuit 168 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: effectively to go forward, same thing would happen. You put 169 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: him in front of you could put him in front 170 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: of a red stage jury and they would say, yeah, 171 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: Joe Biden, his senatorial aid says that he he physically, 172 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: you know, groped her and actually, you know, went beyond that. 173 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it would be considered not to get too 174 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: into the details here, but would be considered a rape 175 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: in some statutes and j under some statutes and jurisdictions. 176 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: And then you know, then you have Joe Biden as 177 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: a rapist, and you have a running around say he's 178 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: a rapist too, But neither one of them can actually 179 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 2: mount any kind of real defense because there's a statute 180 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: of limitations for a reason. There's no eyewitnesses other than 181 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: the two individuals involved in this. There's no physical evidence 182 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: of any kind. But she said that she wore some dress. 183 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: The dress wasn't even made. 184 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 5: Then. 185 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: I mean, in a criminal trial, I think this stuff 186 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: would have gotten a lot more cross examination and focus. 187 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: But I mean, George Sefhanoppas really wants to believe that 188 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: Trump is a rapist. And I just sit here and say, 189 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: in all honesty, I don't believe Trump raped that woman 190 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: at all. I just don't believe it, based on her story, 191 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: based on her attitude about it, based on everything. And 192 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: to quarter Nancy Mace on this who was raped by 193 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: her own admission, and it was very painful, very difficult experiences. 194 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: She's kept her carried with her a whole life since 195 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: the incident. You know why Stephanopoulos would go there with 196 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: with a if you think you do this with a 197 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: Democrat member of Congress, played now million years. 198 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: Zero percent, and a couple of other things the jury 199 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: initially found and staff correct me if I'm wrong on this, 200 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: but I again, I'm working through off memory. I believe 201 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: they gave five million dollars to Egene Carroll for the 202 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: sexual assault again not the rape, the sexual assault that 203 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: they found in the civil suit, and then just pointing 204 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: out how crazy all this is. The second suit they 205 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: found I think eighty three million dollar verdict because Trump 206 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: denied that he sexually assaulted her, So the actual sexual assault, 207 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: the jury that hurt all that evidence, said we're going 208 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: to give her five million dollars. And then you want 209 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: to know what a kangaroo court situation we're in? How 210 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: would you get less money for sexual assault and more 211 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: money for someone saying she's a liar, I didn't actually 212 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: sexually assault her. 213 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 2: Like the whole legal proceedings that are going on right 214 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: now in New York, as a lawyer, I. 215 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: Look at them and say, this is just a culmination. 216 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: We're stacking one after the other of absurdly ludicrous propositions. 217 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: Whether it's Leticia James saying Martin a Lago's only worth 218 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars when it's probably worth six hundred million dollars. 219 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that's a crazy proposition by 220 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: itself or somehow. Egene Carroll getting five million dollars for 221 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: an alleged sexual assault when the jury found that Trump 222 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: did not rape her, and then getting eighty three million 223 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: dollars when Trump says I didn't actually rape her, and 224 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: the whole process here, I think demands that there be examination. 225 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: I don't know that we're going to get it, because 226 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: New York is so beyond the pale in terms of 227 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: losing basic presidential and fair play and justice. But all 228 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: of this is Shenanigan's of the utmost and the idea 229 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: that you would have this so screwed up and we 230 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: wanted to play too here right before we go to 231 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: break at the end of this hour, this was one 232 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: of Russia's favorite clips. This is from when he tried 233 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: to talk a reporter out of coming forward with an 234 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: allegation against him. 235 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: Listen to this, Thank you yourself. 236 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 6: I guarantee you that if you do this, you'll never 237 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 6: work in democratic politics again. Nobody will believe you, and 238 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 6: people will think you're scumming. The alternative is you don't 239 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 6: do it. It causes you some temporary pain with people 240 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 6: who tomorrow are going to matter, and you have a 241 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 6: campaign that understands it in a difficult time. 242 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: He did something right. 243 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: That is George stepanofl is trying to talk someone out 244 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: of coming forward and alleging that Bill Clinton had behaved 245 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: inappropriately with them. 246 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: By the way, and I entirely believe that Bill Clinton 247 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: is a sexual predator and have for a very long time, 248 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: based on the evidence, the contemporary testimony, the people coming forward, 249 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: his behavior, his patterns of lying. I mean, so you 250 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: know it's interesting, isn't it. Democrats? It was all but 251 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: the economy and you know, relative peace. Who cares about 252 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: Bill Bill Clinton's personal life. No, Bill Clinton acted like 253 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 2: a sexual predator. There's plenty of evidence. Numerous women have 254 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: a to have a tested to that in the past, 255 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: but Democrats were willing to cover that all up and 256 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: ignore it all at the time because you know, it's 257 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: really advantageous to have no principles. This is the bottom line. 258 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: Imagine grilling Nancy Mays Buck when you're on camera telling 259 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: someone who alleges that they were a victim that they 260 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: would never work in Democrat politics again and that they 261 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: better keep their mouths shut. That was Stepanopolis from delis 262 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: is a political operative for the Democrats. 263 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: Still still he's this. You know, I'm a little journalist. 264 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: Oh I do my show on Sundays and I'm a journalist. 265 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: I don't see here and pretend like I'm a journalist. 266 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: Neither are you. We give our opinion. People know what 267 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: we think on things. They know whose team were on, 268 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: they know what you know who we're voting for. This, 269 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: this whole Stephanopolis belongs to this era of corporate propaganda, 270 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: just just left wing lies and the fact that he 271 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: got caught up this time around. And Nancy Mace you know, look, 272 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: I give her credit. I think she saw exactly what 273 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: it was and she stood her ground and she she 274 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: made him pay the price for his underhandedness in that 275 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: Sunday show. 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Basically, 357 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: no one has agreed with him. He has remained steadfast 358 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: even as it has been a very limited island. But now, 359 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen this Buck, but at 360 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: his rally in Georgia, Donald Trump came out and said, 361 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: maybe the biggest takeaway we should have of the State 362 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: of the Union is it's good news. It means Biden's 363 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: actually going to be the nominee. Is Trump now on 364 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: Buck Island. Let's listen to this. 365 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 7: I mean, the good thing about his speech, if you 366 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 7: want to call his rant the other night, he probably 367 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 7: did well enough that he's not going to be replaced 368 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 7: on the ballot, because they were talking about replacing him, 369 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 7: and I said, you know, he got through it barely, 370 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 7: but he got through it. I think he's possibly going 371 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 7: to make Nobody thought he was. I sort of didn't think. 372 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 7: I guess maybe I still don't think. I mean, when 373 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,239 Speaker 7: that's the best that a party can do, we're in 374 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 7: big trouble. 375 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: So Buck, I mean, did Biden do enough? Yes, I 376 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: think your argument is that now Trump coming on your side. 377 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: I gotta admit I'm getting a little nervous about what 378 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: the stake's gonna cost. 379 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: ME tell you that it's gonna be one of those 380 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: steaks that you have to pay by the ounce, and 381 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 2: they're gonna use terms like dry age and maybe even 382 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: some Japanese stuff thrown them there. Wow. 383 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is gonna be like they've been massaging 384 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: these these cows for since birth to give the best. 385 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 2: I bet that the beef is gonna be unbelievable. 386 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: I don't even know what's beyond Wagu. Whatever beyond Wagu 387 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: is is what I'm anticipating that I'm gonna have to buy. 388 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: I want it straight A five level from the Kyoto 389 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 2: Prefecture or whatever it is. That's when you get. That's 390 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 2: what it gets crazy expensive. So he here's the thing Trump, Uh, 391 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 2: He's coming over to Buck Island on two things, which is, 392 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: you know, one, Biden's going to be the nominee, which 393 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 2: all along it has made perfect sentily when people say, 394 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 2: oh no, it can't be him. But the reason it's 395 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: going to be him is it can't be anybody else 396 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: because everything else that they would try to do is 397 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: a terrible option. Everything else that they would try to 398 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 2: do would cause even more calamity other than allowing Kamla 399 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: to take over, which again is a terrible option. Right, 400 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: So that's even worse than letting Biden just continue on through. 401 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: I think the power of the incumbency also is something 402 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 2: that people lose sight of until the election gets closer, 403 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: and then it just turns into you know, low propensity 404 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 2: voters and low information voters and people who don't really 405 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 2: know what's going on. It's, yeah, the guy's president. Maybe 406 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: I'll vote for him. I guess it's not that bad. 407 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: That's what people are hoping on the Democrat side will 408 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: end up happening for Joe Biden. But also on TikTok 409 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 2: as you know, you know, I've been telling everybody for 410 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 2: a while, and I will I was. I don't know 411 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: anybody else who has been with me on this one 412 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 2: because I have a nuanced position on TikTok. One is 413 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 2: that I think it's there's a lot of very good 414 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: content on there. I'll just say you. 415 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: Like, you like TikTok leaving a side like the everything else. 416 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: And you've always said you go on not to get 417 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: political news, but like how to cook steaks. That's your thing, right, 418 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: Like you would go on there and get information about cooking, 419 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: for instance. 420 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: Firearms, tactics, cooking steak, puppy and uh and exotic pet 421 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 2: like you know, people have pet foxes and pet raccoons 422 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: and things. That's my TikTok. That's what I just sit 423 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: there I'm like, oh, look, that's what it feeds you 424 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: on the algorithm over and over again, over over and 425 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 2: over again, and I keep sending to carry I'm like, honey, 426 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: a pet red fox is so close to an Australian labradoodle, 427 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: Like we could do this, and she just writes back, 428 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 2: no period, over and over again. But this is what 429 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: will be. Yeah, this is the way it tikok goes. 430 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 2: But but for me, it's also I don't like the 431 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: precedent of we're just going to ban a company or 432 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: ban the operations of a company because we don't like 433 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: ties that it has to a foreign government, unless it's 434 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 2: like sensitive missile technology or something. But we're really, we 435 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: really are talking about uh, you know, viral content here. 436 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,479 Speaker 2: I also, my main thing is that here's what bothers 437 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 2: you so much about the the the case that they 438 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 2: make against TikTok. And I've been saying this all along, 439 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: and ever knows there's a consistency here. Trump, just to 440 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 2: be clear, has come out and said, you know, he 441 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: likes TikTok. Now like he's he's he's saying, look, let's 442 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 2: let's not get too hasty with the TikTok stuff. But 443 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: This is an easy way for people to seem like 444 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: they want to be tough on China and not deal 445 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: with the fact. I mean there are members of Congress 446 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: who were so tough on TikTok. I'm like, well, Google 447 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: and and before Elon bought a Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, all 448 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 2: these American based companies were engaged in state sponsored and 449 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: directed censorship against the American people, including to throw an election. 450 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 2: And you got nothing to say about that. Really, you 451 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 2: know what I mean, you're talking about breaking them up. 452 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 2: You're not talking about an anti trust. You're you know, 453 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: Google writes too many checks and is too powerful. So 454 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 2: I just think a lot of the beating up on 455 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: TikTok comes from people who want to distract from their 456 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: inability to do anything about the real threat to our 457 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: liberties from big tech, which comes from American based, Silicon 458 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: Valley founded companies. And that's just obvious that anyone's paying attention. 459 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, my issue with with TikTok is not TikTok at all. 460 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: It's China. And let me explain what I've always said. 461 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: I don't like the idea that China doesn't allow American 462 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: companies to compete on an even playing field. In China, 463 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: but we allow Chinese companies to compete on an even 464 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: playing field in America. So if you're not going to 465 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: allow as China does not Twitter or Amazon or basically Google, YouTube. 466 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: Buck you know this. 467 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: You can't get on OutKick in China. China has banned 468 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: access to OutKick. 469 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: You can't get on Google, you can't get on Facebook, 470 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 2: you can't correct. But I mean, I mean the company 471 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: that I sold a couple of years That's not the 472 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 2: first thing that comes to mind with you, but I. 473 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: Mean, but if they are not allowing my site that 474 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: I sold to to to Fox a couple of years 475 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,239 Speaker 1: ago to be accessed, my my thing in general is 476 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: we That's my issue. 477 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: It's not TikTok. 478 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: It's that we should have mutuality of competition in China 479 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: as we have it in the United States. And by 480 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: the way, I think this is going to turn into 481 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: a big deal. I'm actually curious how the discussion is 482 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: going to be. I don't know how much of a 483 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,239 Speaker 1: demand there's going to be for electronic vehicles. But if 484 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: you paid attention to China kind of taking the lead 485 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: on evs in many ways, the next step I'm told 486 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: is that they are going to shift manufacture of their 487 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 1: evs to Mexico, and then they will be able to 488 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: enter those vehicles. My understanding is in the United States 489 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: without any sort of tariff impacting their ability to send 490 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: their vehicles here, this is going to turn into a 491 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: real battleground because I believe that we should have actual, 492 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: fair competition in the marketplace. That's my angle on TikTok. 493 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: But you've been very straightforward. I have not been that 494 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: familiar with TikTok, I'll be honest with you. But we're 495 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: on it with Play and Buck. We're on it without 496 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: Kick and this and the videos at times have done well. 497 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 2: So here is Trump. This is cut seventeen speaking. I'm 498 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: gonna say this has been the argument that yours truly 499 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: was making. What it was very lonely out there. It 500 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 2: was me, a couple of lunatic left wing Democrats. I 501 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 2: don't even know why Rand Paul Ran Paul Ram Paul 502 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: was with me. He was the only was me and 503 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 2: Rand just in a timed island, all by ourselves. I 504 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 2: was like, Hi, Rand, He's like, eh, I don't know 505 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: if I like you. But anyway, here it is cut seventeen. 506 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: Play it. 507 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 5: I was at the point where I could who got 508 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 5: that done? If I wanted to, I should have said, 509 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 5: you guys, decide, you make that decision, because it's a 510 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 5: tough decision to make. Frankly, there are a lot of 511 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 5: people on TikTok that love it. There are a lot 512 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 5: of young kids on TikTok who who will go crazy 513 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 5: without it. There are a lot of users, there's you know, 514 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 5: a lot of good and there's a lot of band 515 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 5: with TikTok. But the thing I don't like is that 516 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 5: without TikTok you can make Facebook bigger. And I consider 517 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 5: Facebook to be an enemy of the people, along with 518 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 5: a lot of the media. 519 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: This is the point is that you know you're beating 520 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: up on TikTok because people are saying, oh, but but 521 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: you know they first of all, they've never given any 522 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: user data data to China, and they say they wouldn't 523 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 2: give it to China, and that there are firewalls in 524 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 2: place and there are ways to protect that information so 525 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 2: that it does They know that if it ever came 526 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: out that they were giving individual American information to China, 527 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: it will be the end of the platform basically, so 528 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 2: they're not going to do that. In my mind. In 529 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 2: my view, I could be wrong, But first of all, 530 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: China's hacking into all kinds of stuff anyway. China's gotten 531 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: into sensitive government databases going on twenty years now. For 532 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 2: I got some letter in the mail saying, yeah, China 533 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: probably got all your stuff because you worked for the government. 534 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 8: And Twitter and Facebook and YouTube, the throwing elections for 535 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 8: the Democrats, silencing speech during COVID, not allowing us to 536 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 8: talk about, you know, election integrity issues that's already happening, 537 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 8: and people are worried about, Oh, China's gonna feed us 538 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 8: bad stuff for TikTok? Does anyone ever go on YouTube? 539 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 8: They're feeding you garbage on YouTube all the time. There's 540 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 8: any I'm on my seventh YouTube account, Clay go check 541 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 8: out the buck brief by the way, everybody, because I 542 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 8: always get banned and shut down and you know, there's 543 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 8: some problem and I gotta get strikes and all this 544 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 8: stuff removed. 545 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: That's where the tyranny is. Anyway. I just I totally 546 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 2: see this differently than a lot of other people out 547 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 2: there on the right. What I think is important to 548 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: point out too about Elon Musk and his purchase of 549 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: Twitter is we're not getting Twitter x whatever you want 550 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: to call it rigged from a right wing perspective. 551 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: All we're asking for is just fair treatment. And that's 552 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: basically what x twitter is doing right now. Right It's 553 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: not like what you saw happen with Facebook. 554 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: And YouTube and Google, where. 555 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: We've got a full fledged rig job in favor of 556 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and what canon cannot be shared and under 557 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: the old. 558 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: Messages of Twitter. All I want, and I'm sure the 559 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: same thing is for you. 560 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: I just want people to be able to see the 561 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: arguments that we make and the content that we share. 562 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: Remember YouTube took down our interview with Donald Trump, and 563 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: they took down our interview with Ran Paul our interview, 564 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we're a meet. We just talked to him 565 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: and said, hey, if you care about democracy in America, 566 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: you should want as much information from the candidates running 567 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: for office as possible. The idea that you shouldn't be 568 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: able to hear what someone running for president or Senate 569 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: from Kentucky is saying is that That is what terrifies me 570 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: is they're actually restricting our ability to even have conversations. 571 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: YouTube and Facebook. By the way, and I know a 572 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: lot of you are on Facebook, and I'm not very 573 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: active on Facebook at all, I mean stars, so I 574 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 2: don't really I can't say that Facebook is a place. 575 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: You know, I'll try to put some stuff. You use. 576 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: You know, you go to war with the army, you have, 577 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: you you do media with the platforms you have access to. Like, 578 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna pretend we're not gonna put stuff in 579 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 2: these places, because we are, but I'm not super The 580 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 2: only one that I am individually engaging on with any 581 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: regularity is x because it's the only one that has 582 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: made a real commitment to We're not going to YouTube. 583 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 2: YouTube is a nightmare for now. I know there's Rumble, 584 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna put stuff on Rumble, and I like 585 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: Rumble and I appreciate what they're doing. And again Rumble 586 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 2: is not right wing. Rumble is just not run by 587 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: communists basically, like Rumble is just saying we're free speech. 588 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 2: We will let people post what they want to post 589 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: as long as you don't break the law. It's really 590 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: not that hard for these platforms to operate in a 591 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 2: way it should be. You know, you can't break the law. 592 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: They want to establish a few you know, I understand 593 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 2: if they don't want doxing of someone's home address and 594 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: phone number. But these are things that could be universally 595 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 2: applicable or universally applied without too much trouble. But right 596 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 2: now with YouTube, they don't even care. We could have 597 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. You can bring this is why this 598 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: is another thing. By the way, Sorry, I just I 599 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: think the right has it's just completely off on this stuff. 600 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, we brought Mark Zuckerbruk down and said blah 601 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 8: blah blah, like you were naughty. 602 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: He's worth one hundred billion dollars. He's still in charge. 603 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: He doesn't care. 604 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 8: You can have some Republican center like, well, I'm here 605 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 8: to tell you, sir. 606 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: No, you're not here to tell him anything. He's bought 607 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: you all off, he owns you. And it's just I'm 608 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 2: sick of the pantomime. I'm sick of the game. Like, 609 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 2: let's all understand what's really going on here. A lot 610 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: of these people will own section two forty. They're taking 611 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 2: Google cash. Sorry section two thirty. But I love. 612 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: The almost perfect, almost perfect. Yeah, I know you had 613 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: the perfect, You had the perfect dismount, nice twirl, everything else, 614 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: and then you just a little bit off. Such a 615 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: small miss. It is what it is, but this is 616 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: going to turn into a big battleground. Here's what I 617 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: would love. I would love if we could just have 618 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: actual battles on ideas. Just let Trump say whatever he 619 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: wants to say, let Biden say whatever he wants to say. Hey, 620 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: by the way, it ain't gonna be much, and let 621 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: everybody react to all of it. I don't understand why 622 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: this is controversial in any way. 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Now just get to know them 654 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 2: as guys. 655 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: On This Sunday hang podcast with Clay and Buck find 656 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: it in their podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or 657 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 658 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: Welcome back into clay an Buck. We want to take 659 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 2: some calls here. Also, remember become a Clay and Buck 660 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 2: v ip. Please go to claanbuck dot com. There is 661 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: even talk of setting up a ginger cam, although I 662 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 2: don't know she gets uh. She gets a little bit 663 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 2: crazy during the show sometimes, especially I start talking about communists, 664 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 2: I start making fun of the movie Oppenheimer and and 665 00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: how it was commy whitewashing and anyway, she she gets 666 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 2: very very feisty about that kind of stuff. But go 667 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 2: to Clayanbuck dot com. Become a VIP. Let's get to 668 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 2: a couple of calls here. Clay, we've actually got we're 669 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,919 Speaker 2: tight on times. We'll get into more in the next hour. 670 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,399 Speaker 2: Let me see, Michael and Phoenix, what have you got 671 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 2: for us? 672 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 9: So it really hit me when you guys were talking 673 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 9: about the change and our perception of this drug use 674 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 9: and everything over the years. Recently, I was watching a 675 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 9: program on one of my apps and on Amazon they're 676 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 9: advertising these narcan like Savior family member rugs. I don't 677 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 9: want anyone to die, but it really bothered me, and 678 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 9: I couldn't figure out why at first, that we're not 679 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 9: trying to help our family members not do the drugs. 680 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 9: And the commercial, someone passes out or does some in 681 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 9: the background, everyone does running towards them. But one girl 682 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 9: is like, oh, I know what I need to do. 683 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 2: I think it's over the counter now, Michael in a 684 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,439 Speaker 2: lot of places. And also they're giving it out free 685 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 2: in a lot of places. From what I understand, Narcan, 686 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 2: I don't. Yes, where do you go? I think we 687 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 2: lost him. 688 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: But the point here that he's making if you missed 689 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: it earlier, we used to spend a lot of time 690 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: telling kids don't use drugs. At that time, the rate 691 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: of death from using drugs was far lower than it 692 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 1: is today. And I feel like because of marijuana and others, 693 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,879 Speaker 1: we kind of started to create the idea that using 694 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: drugs is okay. And a lot of times people are 695 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: using recreational drugs now and dying because it's laced with fentanyl. 696 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 2: Sometimes they're taking drugs that are pressed to look like 697 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 2: pharmaceutical prescription drugs that they don't have a prescription for. 698 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: Then they die they overdose. That's happening in America today.