1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a so called angel of 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: pain stalking the halls of the nick You the. 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: Newborn I see You Unit. 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: That's the suspicion after seven newborns, just tiny baby infants 5 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: suffer unexplained broken. 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: Bones while in the hospital. 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: Joining us tonight the father of two of those babies, 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: This is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 3: Nick You nightmare infants with broken bones? What happened to 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: these premi babies? 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: Premature babies? 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: I know I had two of them, and they survived 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: only because of the nurses and doctors in the nick 15 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: You They would have died if it had not been 16 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: for the North Side Hospital nick You unit after an 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: emergency delivery. Sadly that was not the case with many 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 1: many other parents that we particular hospital who would take 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: a baby's bones, an infant, a newborn, and break and 20 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: fracture their bones as they lie there helpless. First of all, 21 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: take a listen to this. 22 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 4: It is a burden and a huge responsibility and also 23 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 4: a privilege to be able to care for these children 24 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 4: at their most vulnerable states, and these families in their 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 4: most vulnerable states, many many of them have gone through 26 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 4: all kinds of toil and trouble just trying to get pregnant, 27 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 4: and then to deliver early or to have complications during delivery. 28 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 4: It's just heart wrenching for these families to not be 29 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 4: able to go through a natural birth process and take 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 4: your child home with you believe them in the care 31 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 4: of others who you really don't know. You have to 32 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 4: trust them, you do. 33 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: You have to trust them, and sadly that trust was 34 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: misplaced in the case of at least seven Kneeborns that 35 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: we know. If think about it, a kneeborn baby premature, 36 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: lying there, defenseless, mom and dad have gone home, no 37 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: one there to care for them except for the staff 38 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: in the nick U. Did an angel of pain stalk 39 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: the halls preying on defenseless infants? 40 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: Listen? 41 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 5: Henriiko County Police Detective Megan Lynch responds to Henriiko Doctor's 42 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 5: Hospital in reference to a five month old male in 43 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 5: the nickqu found to have a fractured left femur. When 44 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 5: the child is examined further, it is determined he also 45 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 5: has a fracture. 46 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 3: Of the right tibia and multiple rib fractures. 47 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 5: The detective has told the injuries are similar to injuries 48 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 5: suffered by four males in the Nicku in the summer 49 00:02:59,040 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 5: of the previous year. 50 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: Oh my Stars, there. 51 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: Were other infants that had mysterious broken and fractured bones before, 52 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: and nobody did anything joining me, the father Dominic Hackey 53 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: is with us. 54 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: Mister Hackey, thank you for being with. 55 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 6: Us, Thanks for having me. 56 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: When you first of all, tell me how did you 57 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: learn about the injuries? 58 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 7: It was seemingly normal Sunday, Me and my wife walked 59 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 7: into the nick you expecting from my wife to be 60 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 7: able to do skin to skin with our son for 61 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 7: the second time, and that's when we were told that 62 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 7: a nurse had observed discoloration in. 63 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 6: His left leg. 64 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 7: He wasn't moving it quite as much as the right one, 65 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 7: so they had gotten an X ray and determined that 66 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 7: he had a tibia fracture. 67 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: Mister Hackey, when you learned almost Stars, I'm looking at 68 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: the video you gave us control room. Can I see 69 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: that video again? This looks just like my John, David 70 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: and Lucy when they were in Niki. They had all 71 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: these cords, all these going in some of them the 72 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: tubes go in the nose and come out the foot. 73 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: They are completely helpless, Dominique, When you learned your baby boy, 74 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: your infant, your PREMI had a fracture of the leg 75 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: and that one of the legs wasn't moving, did you 76 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: think someone had done that to your baby or that 77 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: somehow this happened during childbirth. 78 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 7: I knew it didn't happen during childbirth. My wife had 79 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 7: an emergency c section like yourself. I watched every minute 80 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 7: of that. I watched how he was pulled out. I 81 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 7: watched everything after that. He wasn't pulled out by its legs. 82 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 7: Nothing that in childbirth would have caused this. But it 83 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 7: did take a minute for us to process what was happening. 84 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 7: Our other son, Micah, was very, very sick. We had told, 85 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 7: we were being told that we were going to lose 86 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 7: him twice at that point, so we were just overwhelmed 87 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 7: with emotions. We had talked to the doctor on staff 88 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 7: that day. We weren't really given any answers on to 89 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 7: how this happened. And honestly, after we were told what 90 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 7: we were told and spoke to the doctors on staff, 91 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 7: I told my wife we need to leave because I 92 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 7: needed to take time outside of that hospital to process 93 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 7: what was happening. And I had already at that time 94 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 7: reached out to my mom, who was then, you know, 95 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 7: texting me a million times back to back. This isn't right. 96 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 7: You need to call Child Protective Services. This shouldn't be happening. 97 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 7: I don't feel safe with my grandson in there, so 98 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 7: I needed to get out of the hospital, call her 99 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 7: and kind of get get my feet to where we 100 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 7: needed to go next. So it was a lot in 101 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 7: that moment to process. 102 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: Mister Hackey, you stated they had already told you what twice. 103 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 7: That our son, Micah was gonna pass away just due 104 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 7: to the complications with my wife's pregnancy. He had low 105 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 7: fluid at sixteen weeks, which caused him to have a 106 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 7: lot of respiratory distress. So at that time, Micah was 107 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 7: on a ventilator, an oscillator, hooked up to so many 108 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 7: different machines. But Noah was our strong baby. He was 109 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 7: perfect from the moment that he came out. He needed 110 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 7: very little respiratory help. 111 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 6: So we had hope. 112 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 7: He was our hope, i should say, because he came 113 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 7: out so strong and nothing wrong with him, and you know, 114 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 7: we just wanted the same for our other son as well. 115 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 7: So we were very heartbroken to learn that our healthy 116 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 7: baby now is not healthy and nobody can tell us why. 117 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: And when you talk to the doctor, mister Hackey, the doctor, 118 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: did he he she avoid the fracture or did they 119 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: try to say, hey, maybe it was this, maybe it 120 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: was that. We don't know what happened, or do they 121 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: just not talk about it. 122 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 7: They initially told us that it could have been done 123 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 7: from an injection that was given, maybe too too rough 124 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 7: or too hard. So they were going to implement some 125 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 7: trainings so that the nurses could be able to give 126 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 7: injections correctly. And that's kind of the only explanation that 127 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 7: was given. And I want to make it perfectly clear. 128 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 7: Bone density, vitamin deficiency, brittle bone syndrome was never ever 129 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 7: brought up in our case. It was never questioned, it 130 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 7: was never it was never a factor for us. So 131 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 7: that it's without without a doubt that somebody at this 132 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 7: hospital did it. Because as soon as we were told 133 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 7: that there was a fracture, I had declined to hold 134 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 7: him because I didn't want to be blamed for that. 135 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 7: The first time I'm holding my son, you're telling me 136 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 7: that he has a fracture. The day before we were 137 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 7: at the hospital. My wife was not allowed to hold 138 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 7: him the day that we both come. Now that he 139 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 7: has a fracture and we're aware of it, now we're 140 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 7: allowed to hold him. 141 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 6: It didn't seem right. 142 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: To me, mister Hackey. They told me the same thing 143 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: about Lucy, my baby girl, when I was still carrying her. 144 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: When doctor told me I had to do selective termination, 145 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: you know how crazy I went. Other doctors came running 146 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: into the room. I was yelling so much. 147 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: I was not going to selectively abort Lucy. 148 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: Then they were born and they told me that Lucy 149 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: may not make it. It was horrible, horrible, and what 150 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: you're saying, John David, my son came out healthy. Everything 151 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: was fine, except very premature. Not Lucy. Mister Hackey joining 152 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: me right now is a pre eminent physician. It's doctor 153 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: William Maroney right now, medical examiner, pathologist, author of American 154 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: Narcian and so much more, who has dedicated his life 155 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: to helping other people. And I'd like to point out 156 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: specifically for you, mister Hackey, that he is a devoted 157 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: father like yourself, Doctor Moroney. You know, I'm just a 158 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: trial lawyer. Sometimes as a trial lawyer and you're questioning 159 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: a physician like yourself, you really don't even know where 160 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: to start. But it's my understanding that injuries that occur 161 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: during delivery are typically at the joint. And when i'm again, 162 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm just reading the tea leaves here, But when I 163 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: look at that X ray, that doesn't look like the 164 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: fracture is at the joint, does it? 165 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 8: No? And the idea of where injuries sometimes happen are 166 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 8: statistically based on our past experience as hospitals record injuries. 167 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 8: The only other dominant fracture collarbones fracture all the time 168 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 8: because a baby has to fit through the birth canal 169 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 8: and the shoulders and the neck and the chest are 170 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 8: the widest part. Legs don't break in delivery. I've never 171 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 8: twenty five years, I've never heard of any kind of 172 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 8: broken armor leg in delivery. But collarbones or joint disclocations. 173 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 8: The collarbones the big one, because you're trying to squeeze 174 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 8: this wide baby through this tiny little birth canal. So 175 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 8: that's the first thing you would look at and have 176 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 8: is where do you start your investigation? How did a 177 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 8: fracture happen in that bone in a collar bone. Somebody 178 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 8: would say, oh, well, you know what's fractured, it'll grow back, 179 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 8: we'll line it up everything. I'm okay, and you understand 180 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 8: that because you're trying to squeeze the baby. But these 181 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 8: other things right away, they're very highly suspicious and they 182 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 8: need an investigation. 183 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, I'm just wondering, 184 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 2: mister Hackey. 185 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: I had an emergency cesarian, just like your wife did, 186 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: and I was awake the whole time. I could see 187 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: the baby's being lifted up, and it's just like you 188 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: just said, they weren't pulled out by their legs or 189 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: by you know, in a normal birth, the head normally 190 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: comes out first. They were lifted up the way I'm 191 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: demonstrating right now. And I saw John David come out first. 192 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: I saw Lucy come out second, and I was told 193 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: they're breathing, and they were looking at me and blinking 194 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: their eyes. I remembered distinctly. And when you tell me 195 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: they were not pulled out by their legs, I believe 196 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: you that's something you never forget. When your wife learned 197 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: that her baby her newborn. How much did they weigh? 198 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 7: Four pounds Noah was three pounds eight ounces, and like 199 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 7: It was two pounds eight ounces. 200 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: John David was five pounds. Lucy was two pounds, like 201 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: a kitten. For Pete's sake, When your wife found out 202 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: this four pound baby had a fractured leg, how did 203 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: your wife take it? 204 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 6: She I don't think she could process it at that moment. 205 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 7: Honestly, she was dealing with Like I said, it was 206 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 7: an end to a long, very long pregnancy, which actually 207 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 7: wasn't very long, but it felt long. We were going 208 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 7: to ultrasounds once a week, sometimes twice a week, so 209 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 7: she was very much out of it, which is why 210 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 7: she's kind of letting me speak because I remember it 211 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 7: so clearly. She was dealing with postpartum at that time 212 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 7: as well, so all that she really could do was cry. 213 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 7: And all that I could do was tell my wife that, 214 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 7: you know, our boys are going to be okay. 215 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 6: That's all we could do. 216 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys managed to leave them there. 217 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't take them home. They needed to 218 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: be hooked up to all those machines, so you couldn't say, 219 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: to hell with you, I'm taking. 220 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: The children home. 221 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: You had to leave them there oh, how did you 222 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: do it? How did you leave your child there? 223 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: Knowing? 224 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: Let me think about it. I'm sure you have somebody 225 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: had to take your little babies and crack it. 226 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 7: I guess it was the hospital. Gas led us into 227 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 7: thinking that this was an isolated incident, that they were 228 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 7: really working to figure out who did this. And at 229 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,119 Speaker 7: that point we kind of had to trust the hospital 230 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 7: because me and my wife, we were very blessed with 231 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 7: the type of jobs that we have. We were able 232 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 7: to be at the hospital all day every day. We 233 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 7: just couldn't be there at night because we have animals 234 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 7: at home and stuff at home that we have to 235 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 7: attend to. But I mean, we just had to trust 236 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 7: them and with us at that time only thinking that, 237 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 7: you know, this was just our son. It could have 238 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 7: been an injection that was given wrong. They're going to 239 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 7: train people so that they get this right. It was 240 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 7: like at that time, it felt like the hospital was 241 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 7: doing what they were supposed to do, even though they 242 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 7: were telling us that we may never find the person 243 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 7: who did this, because unless somebody confesses, it's. 244 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 6: Going to be hard to say that this person actually 245 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 6: did it. 246 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 4: Some of these premature babies are so sick their little 247 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 4: organs are not developed enough to be. 248 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,359 Speaker 2: Functioning outside the womb. 249 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 4: Yet, and we are basically assisting them by artificial means. 250 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 9: So we do see death niceeu. We see a lot 251 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 9: of children who have issues with their lungs, with their heart, 252 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 9: with their vision. So any instance where something happens that 253 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 9: is unexpected. 254 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 4: We're going to watch and try and see what happened. 255 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: But all of that problems with the lungs or the heart, 256 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: or with the vision does occur or originate prior to birth. 257 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: This kneeborn infant child, this little baby boy, was born 258 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: without a fracture in his leg. 259 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: So how did that happen? 260 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: To doctor William Moroney, I know that infant's bones are malleable, 261 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: but to fracture or break a baby's bone, it had 262 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: to hurt. It had to be horrific pain for the 263 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: child to endure. And even though the bones are somewhat 264 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: malleable at the time of birth, there's still bones. How 265 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: much force would you have to affect in order to 266 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: break or fracture a child's leg. 267 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 8: Probably just a little bit less than like trying to 268 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 8: break a broomstick, or more than break some pasta. 269 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, break a broomstick with your bare hands. 270 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: I can break a broomstick with my bare hands, even 271 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: I cracked it over my knee. 272 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 8: No, yes, what are you saying? But the other what 273 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 8: I want to make clear is the rare condition that 274 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 8: a baby is born with broken bones only happens when 275 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 8: the mother is in a car accident. If these mothers 276 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 8: do not have any history of being in recent like 277 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 8: right before the hospital car accidents. All these bones are perfect. 278 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 8: All these babies are born with completely healthy bodies. But 279 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 8: we have seen broken bones in babies after they've been 280 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 8: delivered in emergency deliveries, when the mothers had car accidents. 281 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: Mister Hackey, had your wife, I already know the answer 282 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: to this. Your wife had not been in any type 283 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: of an accident, Hatchie. 284 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Maroney. 285 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: I hate to call a medical doctor of your eminence 286 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: on the carpet, but that's really not what I asked you. 287 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: I didn't ask you about car rex because there's no 288 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: car wreck or no accident, nothing like that, No violent 289 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: in on the mom prior to birth. I'm asking you 290 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: the degree of force you're telling me a little less 291 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: or the same amount as trying to crack a broom 292 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: over your knee. 293 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 8: The physical amount of force would equal something hitting a 294 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 8: wall at twenty miles an hour. And the other thing 295 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 8: I was really real. 296 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: About, baby, How can you be so calm? 297 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: Marony? 298 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: How many children do you have? For Pete's sake, don't. 299 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: You remember when they were born someone using that amount 300 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: of force like cracking a broomstick to break fracture this 301 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: baby's leg. 302 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 8: And I don't want to make pictures in people's minds 303 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 8: that would make them even more disgusted, but broken ribs 304 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 8: are very difficult. You either crush a baby's chest or 305 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 8: you swing the baby like a baseball bat and hit 306 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 8: a wall. Those are how you break ribs. I've done 307 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 8: the depositions for child abuse in local counties. That's a 308 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 8: tremendous amount of force. So broken bones in the chest, 309 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 8: broken legs, this is serious. 310 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: Dominic hackey. I know you're hearing dtr Moroney speaking. When 311 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: you hear him describe how much force it would require 312 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: to break your kneeborn's leg to fracture it. I mean, 313 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: I feel sick just hearing it. When you think about 314 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: your infant and the force required like swinging the infant 315 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: against a wall or breaking their leg like a broom handle. 316 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 7: It hurts, its heartbreaking it honestly, it feels like my 317 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 7: son was in this world for a week and I 318 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 7: failed to protect him. And it keeps me up at night. 319 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 7: But I won't feel my son again. I won't fail 320 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 7: these other babies again. What they've been through and all 321 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 7: that they had to endure. 322 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 6: It's sick that. 323 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 7: We were in the room with the devil and we 324 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 7: had no idea. 325 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: Guys, it all starts here. 326 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 10: Listen, an infant in a nick euit in Rayo Doctor's 327 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 10: hospital suffers a horrible leg injury that isn't easily explained. 328 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 10: Babies breakbones during birth, It's not uncommon, but this is different. 329 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 10: As the hospital begins to investigate, three other babies have 330 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 10: unexplained fractures. 331 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand something. 332 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: Joining me Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter 333 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: who has intensely researched this case and conducted his own interviews. 334 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: Dave mac Wait. 335 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: A minute, So when this little baby, mister Hackney's baby 336 00:20:55,359 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: has a fractured leg. Before that, there were already three 337 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: other babies that had quote unexplained fractures. 338 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 11: Yes, Nancy, there were four babies in this in the 339 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 11: time around mister Hackney's child that all had unexplained fractures. 340 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 11: One of the babies was actually hurt four days after 341 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 11: mister Hackney's baby. 342 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: Okay, I am actually without words, Dave mac I didn't 343 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: understand the events chronologically, mister Hackney, did anybody tell you, Oh, 344 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: by the way, we've already had multiple babies that have 345 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: unexplained fractures. When they were telling you your baby somehow 346 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: has a broken leg, did they think to say and oh, yeah, 347 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: there were three babies before and then right after that 348 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: there's another baby. Did anybody tell you that? I guess not. 349 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 7: Nobody had told us until after we were out of 350 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 7: the hospital. Henryko Police department told us that there were 351 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 7: other victims that suffered similar fractors around the same time 352 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 7: as my son, and that's when we first learned about it. 353 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: The police department had to tell you that. Let me 354 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: ask you a question. Okay, I'm a criminal lawyer, but 355 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: I know this much about civil law. I hope you 356 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: and your wife had a good lawyer. So at no 357 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: point when the doctor is explaining to you your baby 358 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 1: has a fractured leg and it took the forces. Maroney 359 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: just said of cracking a broomstick to do it. They 360 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: didn't say, and we've had that problem before. They hid 361 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: that from you until police told you that you had 362 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: no idea. 363 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: There is no. 364 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: Way hell would freeze over before I would have my 365 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: children in a nick qu unit where other babies had 366 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: had fractured bones. Oh no, but you didn't know that, 367 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: did you? 368 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 7: No idea? Nobody. None of the other families knew as well. 369 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 7: We all thought that we were isolated incidents. And honestly, 370 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 7: that's why a lot of us kept quiet for so long. 371 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 7: We didn't know that there were other people out there 372 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 7: who went through similar experiences with the hospital. 373 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 12: Dominique and Tory Hackee start speaking out after Virginia Child 374 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 12: Services informed them that their newborn baby, Noah, had been 375 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 12: abused by an employee at the nick You when he 376 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 12: suffered a fractured leg following his premature birth. Noah was 377 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 12: one of the four babies who suffered unexplained injuries. 378 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: This would not be the first time. And of course, 379 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: you know, Dominie Hackey was looked at long and hard 380 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: because parents of an injured or missing child are always 381 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: the first suspect. Statistically. He could be the angel Gabriel 382 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: that came down from heaven and sat down in front 383 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: of police, he would still be the number one suspect statistically. Again, 384 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: it's not the first time that a hospital employee has 385 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: inflicted pain, suffering, even death on an innocent knee born. 386 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 2: Does the name Lucy let Be ring. 387 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: A bell because that's the name that echoes in my 388 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: mind all the time? Listen. 389 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: Registered nurse Lucy. 390 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 13: Let Bee gets her dream job in the neo natology 391 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 13: unit at Countess of Chester Hospital. Working many extra shifts 392 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 13: in the small unit, let Be says she enjoys watching 393 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 13: the infants progress and supporting their families, but patients under 394 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 13: her care experience an unusual amount of medical emergencies and 395 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 13: even death. After years of other doctors and nurses expressing 396 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 13: their concerns, the hospital finally launches an investigation, finding that 397 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 13: seven babies were injured and seven babies died under Leppi's care. 398 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 13: Handwritten notes indicate the nurse injected air into the infant's 399 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 13: bloodstream or gave them lethal doses of insulin minutes before 400 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 13: consoling their grieving parents. 401 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, Okay, Doctor moroney, I gotta ask you 402 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: what that means injecting air or insulin. But two, Doctor 403 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: John DELATORI I need a shrink right now. Licensed psychologist 404 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: who specializes in forensic psychology, Doctor Delatory, did you hear 405 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: that last bit about Lucy let be made? She wrought 406 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: in hell she would console the parents who are grieving 407 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: after their kneeborn infant, just like mister Hackney's babies die, 408 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: So she kills them and then she comforts the parents. 409 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: That is freaky. 410 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 14: Yeah, it's absolutely freaky, and it's extremely dangerous. And I 411 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 14: think there are two complicating aspects to this. The first 412 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 14: part is she wants the attention that she gets for 413 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 14: being this grand nurse who's there to console, but in reality, 414 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 14: she hates these children. In reality, she wants nothing more 415 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 14: than to be than to get rid of them. 416 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: That's the level of. 417 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 15: Anger and animosity that needs to be there in order 418 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 15: to inflict pain on a vulnerable child. This level of 419 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 15: hate and anger and annoyance is complicating this idea that 420 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 15: she also wants the attention of being the person that 421 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 15: is there to quote unquote care for them, and it's 422 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 15: the attention that she really wants. But in reality, she 423 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 15: hates that she has to deal with these children in 424 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 15: order to get it. 425 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: We investigated and Lucia let the case. Listen to investigative 426 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: reporter Alexis Tereschuk. 427 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 16: First time it was a tragedy, but immediately the way 428 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 16: that she reacted was a red flag. She wanted to 429 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 16: come back to work immediately, while everybody else was devastated 430 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 16: and crushed by this. Each time a child died, each 431 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 16: time a baby died and she was there, she wanted 432 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 16: to come back to work and insisted on She remember 433 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 16: that many of them were twins or triplets, she wanted 434 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 16: to work with the other sibling immediately, and that really 435 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 16: raised the red legs of the doctors and the nurses 436 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 16: really complained about her and said, this is really very. 437 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: Very You think it's weird that she would console the 438 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: parents after killing their kneeborn, that's not all Listen. 439 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 10: After the death of a fifth baby on her unit, 440 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 10: Lucy let me wants to go to the funeral, but 441 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 10: is working at the time and unable to attend, so 442 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 10: she sent a condolence card to the family titled your 443 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 10: loved one will be remembered with many smiles inside. Let 444 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 10: be wrote, there are no words to make this time 445 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 10: any easier. She will always be a part of your 446 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 10: lives and we will never forget her. Thinking of you 447 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 10: today and always lots of love, Lucy. Let me then 448 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 10: took a picture of the card and kept it as 449 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 10: a keepsake. 450 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: Okay, Dominic Hackey is joining us. His twins were in 451 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: the nick queue when he and his wife learn after 452 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: very difficult pregnancy and delivery and emergency c section, that astonishingly, 453 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: one of their babies has a fractured legs. Out of nowhere, 454 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: you're hearing about Lucy, let be who would murder the 455 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: infants and then console the parents and help them plan 456 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: the funeral. Did any of the nurses seem odd or 457 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: act in an unusual way to you or to your wife? 458 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 7: None of the nurses really talk to me. There were 459 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 7: very few of them. A lot of them talked to 460 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 7: my wife and directed a lot of care questions to 461 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 7: my wife. It was almost as if I was incapable 462 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 7: of making decisions for my kids and that she was 463 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 7: the only capable one. So I didn't form a lot 464 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 7: of relationships with a lot of the nurses. 465 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: Well, they probably suspected you Frankly, mister Hackey, they probably 466 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: thought you were responsible because all the nurses think they 467 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: know each other and they would never do anything to her, 468 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: the baby and the dad or the is typically the purp. 469 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: So no wonder they gave you the cole shoulder. They 470 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: probably gave you the stink. 471 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 6: Yeah. 472 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 7: I'm sure once they learned because I was very open 473 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 7: with my mom reporting the incident to Child Protective Services 474 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 7: and things like that, that they were very cautious about that. 475 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 3: Nick You nightmare A nurse under arrest for allegedly breaking 476 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 3: the bones of premature infants in a Virginia hospital. 477 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: That's right after they let the foreign nurses come back 478 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: because their own investigation went nowhere. That's on them. There 479 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: were more fractures. Wow, what a coincidence. Then we learned 480 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: this from surveillance video placed in the hospital room. Listen. 481 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 10: The hospital installed surveillance cameras throughout the nick U after 482 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 10: the unexplained injuries of the previous year. In Raiko County, 483 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 10: police detective Megan Lynch reviews the surveillance video and reports 484 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 10: what she sees. Aaron Strawman seen in the room with 485 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 10: baby identified in paperwork as yh On November tenth, Straman 486 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 10: grabs Yh by the legs and applies pressure to the legs. 487 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 10: Strawman is seen on video placing her weight down on 488 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 10: the legs of Yh. Strawman is then seen taking both 489 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 10: of the baby's legs and pushing them backwards to where 490 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 10: Yh's feet are at his head. Yh appears to be 491 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 10: crying and in distress. 492 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, the baby's feet are back at his head. 493 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: Mister Hackey, have you seen this video? 494 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 6: No, I haven't seen any videos. 495 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: I guarantee you when you get the right lawyer, you 496 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: will so, mister Hackey, when were you told that the 497 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: perpetrator was caught on video? 498 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 7: I want to say maybe a couple of weeks ago, 499 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 7: towards the beginning of the year. We By the time 500 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 7: we left the hospital, there were no cameras were in 501 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 7: there for eighty seven days, so if they ever put 502 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 7: in cameras, we didn't know until these new stories came out. 503 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 7: And when I learned of the three babies, that's when 504 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 7: I learned of that there was camera footage. Didn't specifically 505 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 7: say that they caught her on camera footage, but at 506 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 7: that time, but learned that there was camera footage and 507 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 7: that the police department, the Commonwealth Attorney, everybody was going 508 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 7: to be working to review this footage around the clock. 509 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 7: And then, of course once she was arrested, is when 510 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 7: we learned that, you know, they had caught her on footage. 511 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 7: They nobody told us doing what with Who's baby, just 512 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 7: that she was being brought up on charges in connection 513 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 7: with this, and you know, we'll just keep finding out 514 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 7: along the way. 515 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: So the hospital never told. 516 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: You we've got her on video. You had to learn 517 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: that from the District Attorney's office. Doctor William Moron, you 518 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: heard what we have learned was on the video. 519 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: What exactly does that mean? What does she do to 520 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: the baby? According to the video. 521 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 8: What it looks like is there's pressure to snap a 522 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 8: leg by pushing it outside of what we call barriers. 523 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 8: There's natural barriers that the muscles can use. 524 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: Then there may stop. Stop stop doctor, you're talking to 525 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: lay people. We don't know what are you saying? Pressure barriers? 526 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: Please speak English. 527 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 8: Here's we'll go back to. When you when you put 528 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 8: weight on that leg to snap that bone, it's equal 529 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 8: to a vehicle hitting a wall at twenty miles an hour. 530 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 8: But it happens in somebody's hands. 531 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: But how does she do it? What do you mean 532 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 2: put weight? 533 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: How does that happen? 534 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 8: Well, they said in the words that were used. She 535 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 8: pushed down that her body weight, her shoulders, her muscles, 536 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 8: pushed on a b a bone, on legs on one instance, 537 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 8: and then exceeding the normal range of hips and backs 538 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 8: and legs, she twisted the legs so far back that 539 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 8: a baby that's a flat piece of pasta, it's a noodle, 540 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 8: suddenly becomes an elbow. That's unnatural the body. Even adults, children, 541 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 8: they don't bend like that. When you bend something like that, 542 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 8: something breaks. They're very lucky. We don't know the results, 543 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 8: but that could have snapped somebody's spine and made somebody 544 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 8: permanently paralyzed for life. That's the amount of pressure twenty 545 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 8: miles an hour, a car hitting a fence twenty miles 546 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 8: an hour, a car hitting a brick wall. That's the 547 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 8: amount of force and weight from what was done to 548 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 8: those babies. Bone two. 549 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: Mary Hutchinson joining us twenty eight years in Elle law enforcement, 550 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: now owner chief investigator for Barry and Associates Investigative Services. Mary, 551 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, what the he double 552 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: l is wrong with this hospital? 553 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 2: Their investigation yielded nothing. 554 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: And then as soon as the four nurses did have 555 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: put on paid leave. I might add, this woman charged 556 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: with breaking the bones a little nikki infants that weigh 557 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: four pounds. 558 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 2: She is on paid leave. Are you kidding me? But 559 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 2: their investigation yield did nothing. 560 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: Are you surprised that the hospital found out nothing while 561 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: investigating itself. 562 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 17: No, that's pretty much common practice. They're going to do 563 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 17: everything they can to shield their own liability. And I 564 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 17: mean that's a travesty in itself. That's another story to 565 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 17: be told. But there's no way that you could ever 566 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 17: ever convince me that there wasn't already surveillance in place 567 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 17: in that nick You in some shape, form or fashion 568 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 17: not to mention that there are other cameras all throughout 569 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 17: that hospital, like an adjacent hallways, et cetera, et cetera, 570 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 17: that they could track each one of these individual nurses 571 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 17: and find out exactly a timeline of who was around 572 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 17: the child and when they were around the child. 573 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: You know what, You're absolutely right they had all that 574 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: in the records. Who was working the day before the 575 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: injury manifested who was working in the day of the injury. 576 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: That shouldn't be so difficult to uncover, Yet they didn't. 577 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: To Greg Morris joining me, high profile lawyer and partner 578 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: at the law firm of King and Morse, author of 579 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: the untested on Amazon, Greg Morrise, I'm sorry to report 580 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised at all. You heard Dominic Hacke, the dad, 581 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: saying the doctor never even explained to us really exactly 582 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: what had happened, didn't mention that employee may have done this. 583 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: Nobody told me that other infants before my baby Noah 584 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: was attacked, had been attacked. I'm not surprised at all. 585 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: The hospital didn't tell him any of that and didn't 586 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: tell him, Hey, we have surveillance video. 587 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 2: I want you to know we know who did it. 588 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 2: Never breathe a word, Greg. 589 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 18: Well, that's the bigger or an issue here also is 590 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 18: the hospital's cover up. And what's particularly troubling to me 591 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 18: is that they questioned these parents. As you pointed out, 592 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 18: they're the first suspects. There is no world where the. 593 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 19: Hospital doesn't know this is going on with all these babies, 594 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 19: and they're, like your previous experts said, they're trying to 595 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 19: shield their liability. And that's really, that's really, you know, 596 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 19: a comment on our healthcare. We value profits over care, 597 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 19: and this is what you get. You talked about your 598 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 19: own children, Nancy. 599 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 20: Imagine a doctor says to you, well, when we give needles, 600 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 20: sometimes bones break. There's no world where anybody believes that 601 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 20: there's no world where that's not investigated. But if the 602 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 20: people investigating are sweeping it under the rug, then what 603 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 20: do you do? And it's heartbreaking for these families what 604 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 20: they've had to endure and then to be a suspect 605 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 20: essentially by the hospital administrator so they could hide their 606 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 20: own malfeasance and their own negligence and turning a blind 607 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 20: eye to these things. 608 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 21: Seven potential abuse cases are now under scrutiny, and investigators 609 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 21: say there could be more. Police investigators are scouring hundreds 610 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 21: of hours of surveillance footage to determine what happened. Reports 611 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 21: say at least three of the affected families were in 612 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 21: court for Strapman's appearance. Only one family has spoken publicly 613 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 21: so far, and that father says another couple told him 614 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 21: their child suffered twelve fractures. Strautman has been formally charged 615 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 21: in just one baby's case. As the investigation continues, Straupman's 616 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 21: public defender says she is not entered a plea as 617 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,919 Speaker 21: yet and is being held without bail. Her next court 618 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 21: appearance is scheduled for March twenty fourth. 619 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: Mister Hackey, is that true another baby had twelve fractures? 620 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 6: I hate to say it, but yes. 621 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: Have you talked to any of the other parents. 622 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 7: Yes, I'm currently in contact with five of the other families, 623 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 7: so six families, including myself. It's worked wonders for myself 624 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 7: and the other families just to have other people who 625 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 7: have gone through the situation, who have been gas lit 626 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 7: by the hospital, whose birthing stories are similar to our story, 627 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 7: and we just all feel like we were failed from 628 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 7: the moment we stepped foot from that hospital to the 629 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 7: moment that we left, because we had no idea that 630 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 7: anybody had even been let go in relation to our 631 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,959 Speaker 7: son's cases until the news put it out there this year. 632 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: Mister Hackey, Ona, thank you for speaking out. There are 633 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: parents all over the country whose children suffer injuries or 634 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: worse in the hospital and they are fed the line 635 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: it's normal. We don't know how this happened. 636 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 2: It's not normal, mister Hackey. 637 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: Have you ever lain awake at night and thought about 638 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: how lucky you are she didn't kill your baby every night? 639 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 15: Ever? 640 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:57,800 Speaker 6: Sends. 641 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 7: All of the details of this story were learned because, 642 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 7: like I said, I'm just learning of the severity of 643 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 7: the other cases. So I'm very blessed that I'm able 644 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,240 Speaker 7: to come home and hold my two my two little babies, 645 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 7: kiss them, hold my wife, hug her, and we can 646 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 7: sit down as a family and attack this monster head on, 647 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 7: all of us together, and everybody is healthy and happy. 648 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 7: And I'm just truly blessed that my outcome and my 649 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 7: situation did not end in death. 650 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: You know, mister Hackey, you're so much a better person 651 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,720 Speaker 1: than I am. You're thinking about your blessings. I would 652 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: want to burn the place down with her in it. 653 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye 654 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,359 Speaker 1: friend Bo.