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Speaker 3: I'm one of those boys I appreciate. It's a fine body,

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Speaker 2: So the appeal for me is that this is a

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Speaker 2: That that seems a near probability to me, because I

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Speaker 2: If you're looking for land minds, you have to take

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Speaker 1: book report where you're just like you got to stretch

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Speaker 1: to get it to three pages.

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Speaker 2: It's just we've we've seen this before where Clemson has

435
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Speaker 2: a very dominant defensive line and teams can't get past that,

436
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 2: and the defense is going to eat a lot of

437
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Speaker 2: teams up, a lot of opponents up.

438
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Speaker 1: Was it Miles Murphy and Brian Brazy Brazi?

439
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Speaker 2: Yes, I really feel like that gives them such a

440
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Speaker 2: competitive advantage. Teams just cannot contend with that. There are

441
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Speaker 2: some good lines in the ACC this year, but not

442
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Speaker 2: good enough to contend with with that kind of star

443
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: power on the defensive side. And you know, there are

444
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Speaker 2: other stories along along the depth chart offensively, like can

445
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Speaker 2: Joseph Nagata be a deep play threat? Can they get

446
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 2: more of a right Can they get like they didn't

447
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 2: have last year at the scenario in which somebody could

448
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 2: just go up and get a jump ball from Trevor

449
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Speaker 2: Lawrence the way that I think they're accustomed to. They

450
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Speaker 2: need to add that back into the game. Maybe justin

451
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Speaker 2: Ross Or Nagotta can.

452
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Speaker 1: Get help man that such a great story if he

453
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Speaker 1: bounces back.

454
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Speaker 2: But these are all again splitting hair types of things.

455
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: What's in the tank?

456
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Speaker 5: Use nine you sock side. I've seen the way you drive.

457
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Speaker 5: You got a heavy foot, You'll blow yourself to pieces.

458
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Speaker 2: You'll blow yourself to pieces. It's ten or twelve wins.

459
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Speaker 2: It's ten to twelve wins. You all like, is it

460
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Speaker 2: ten and two season a failure for Clemson?

461
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Speaker 3: No?

462
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Speaker 1: Yes, well I think.

463
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Speaker 2: Yes by recent measure, yes, But I think there is

464
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Speaker 2: enough turnover with again the best quarterback your program's history

465
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Speaker 2: walking out the door that you can justify two losses,

466
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Speaker 2: one to Georgia, one along the way. Yeah, I think

467
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 2: it's entirely okay if that happens, maybe not by fans standards,

468
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: but from afar. Yeah.

469
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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean if they lose two games, that means

470
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Speaker 1: they're losing to somebody far beneath them. If Clemson's at

471
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Speaker 1: full strength.

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Speaker 2: I think it's okay. This year. I think it's okay.

473
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Speaker 2: I would be willing to accept this year because of

474
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Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, Travis etn some others walking out. But it's

475
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Speaker 2: just hard for me to see that happening given the

476
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Speaker 2: strength of this defense man.

477
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Speaker 1: It's the position dju is in following Deshaun Watson and

478
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Obviously no pressure, right impression, but who still

479
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: made the playoff?

480
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Speaker 5: Right?

481
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: Kelly Bryant made the playoff with Clemson, So yeah, there's

482
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Speaker 1: a ton of pressure. I think he's going to be

483
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Speaker 1: a fantastic talent. He seemed to be understandably so last

484
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Speaker 1: year against Notre Dame, he threw for a ton of yards.

485
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Speaker 1: You know, he's a big body, but there was still

486
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Speaker 1: a rawness to his game. I want to see how

487
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Speaker 1: seasoned he looks with a full, real off season.

488
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Speaker 2: They worked a lot on his footwork, they worked a

489
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Speaker 2: lot on his throwing motion, all the usual stuff that

490
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Speaker 2: you hear about year and in year out with quarterbacks

491
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Speaker 2: in the off season. But they're they're really trying to

492
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Speaker 2: fine tune his game and look to come in and

493
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Speaker 2: do what he did in two games A throw for

494
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Speaker 2: four hundred yards on the road at Notre Dame as

495
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 2: a true freshman. That's a pretty damn good right at

496
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Speaker 2: that many questions that we have about him at this

497
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Speaker 2: point that I that weren't answered in the limited action

498
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Speaker 2: we saw last year.

499
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the home run ability of this offense. I

500
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Speaker 1: think should still be strong. But the best of Travis

501
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: CTN was such a luxury where you really you give him,

502
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Speaker 1: You give him ten feet and he's gone. You give

503
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Speaker 1: him three feet and he's taking fourteen yards. So a

504
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: home run luxury that I don't think they have, but

505
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Speaker 1: it'll be, you know, it'll be interesting to see which

506
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Speaker 1: of these guys a very talented backfield room, steps up

507
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Speaker 1: and can sort of approximate at least some of what

508
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Speaker 1: Travis ETN was.

509
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Speaker 2: Where do you want to go next, Daniel, Let's go

510
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: Florida State, Florida State, flow Ryda.

511
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about them Knowles.

512
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the Knowles. So last year three

513
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: and six overall, two and six in conference, in none

514
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: of those losses was their postgame win expectancy above four percent.

515
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: Now what does that mean? What that means is some

516
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Speaker 2: of the folks who are brighter with statistics than Dan

517
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: and I will go and look at the game on

518
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Speaker 2: a per play basis to actually evaluate the numbers and

519
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: see what the team did, and based on how the

520
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: team scored, how the game is graded out, they will

521
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: assign a value being yeah, you're definitely going to win, right,

522
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Speaker 2: zero percent being you had no business being in that game.

523
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Speaker 1: Right, for for given the metrics at hand, given like

524
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Speaker 1: the the on a success rate on a per play,

525
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: given like when teams are able to do this, they

526
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Speaker 1: win this percentage of time, and it's all split into

527
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Speaker 1: a formula.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, none of their six losses were above four percent,

529
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Speaker 2: which is it's Kansas level beat. It's really bad. That

530
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: being said, context is important here. Remember that Mike Norvel

531
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: came over, He installed a new staff, a new system.

532
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: They had to deal with COVID as everybody did, and

533
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: it wasn't like he was starting from a place of

534
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Speaker 2: stability to begin with, as the previous coach did get fired,

535
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Speaker 2: So it wasn't a great situation that he stepped into.

536
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Speaker 2: And it's like, on one hand, yes, the defense was

537
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: very bad. Yes, the offense took a step back. We

538
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Speaker 2: can get into that if you want to. That's not good.

539
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Speaker 2: But on the same note, what the hell do you

540
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Speaker 2: think was going to happen?

541
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Speaker 1: Right?

542
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: What did you think was going to be the case

543
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: installing all this new stuff in a weird COVID year?

544
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Speaker 2: So I kind of get both sides of it. Certainly,

545
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: Florida State fans did not feel satisfied by what they

546
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: saw out there. According to our friends over at Tomahawk Nation,

547
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Speaker 2: this was the second worst defense that the Knowles have

548
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: fielded since nineteen eighty seven. Gave up body yards, gave

549
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: up a lot of plants. It was not exciting to

550
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 2: watch the quarterback situation. Jordan Travis got out there, got

551
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: some good experience. He's a runner, not necessarily a thrower.

552
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a step up, got hurt. Chaba party

553
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: got hurt pretty early on, so they weren't really able

554
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: to see what they had in him. A former blue

555
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: chip recruit and the younger brother of Brock.

556
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: Ten passing touchdowns to ten interceptions in the passing game

557
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: all year, and that's just not a high level passing attack.

558
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: So you know, we'll see where it goes from here.

559
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: They do bring a lot back. Not a great campaign

560
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, but I think Mike Norvell, and if

561
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: you read some of the preview content that's out there,

562
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: Mike Norvel, like a lot of coaches, feels a lot

563
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: better about where he's gonna go in twenty twenty one.

564
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: A lot of these guys are back. They did have

565
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Speaker 2: an opportunity to have more of a normal offseason, more

566
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: of a normal spring, and get back to the point

567
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: where he could really get to know his players, build

568
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: some of that poor in the new culture that he's

569
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Speaker 2: going for. Because last year, I know Jeff Hafley talked

570
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: about this, some of the other new coaches around college football.

571
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: They just could not do all the things that they

572
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: would expect to do in a normal campaign. So here

573
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: we are with Florida State three and six. Is what

574
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: we build from the appeal is just that the curb appeal.

575
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 2: We're looking at Florida State from afar. We see him

576
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: in the window. What are we drawn to? What I'm

577
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: drawn to is the fact that they had a relatively

578
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: normal cycle now to install the system, to work with

579
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Speaker 2: the players. Let's just treat last season as an extended

580
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: spring camp. Okay, I think that's how you treat it.

581
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: Because now the players are prime, they know the system,

582
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: they've got more familiarity with it, they're ready to take

583
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Speaker 2: that step forward. I give Norvell credit because the other

584
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: bit of curb appeal here is that he was really

585
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: active on the transfer portal. Yeah, really active on the

586
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: transfer portal. He hit it hard, he added Mackenzie Milton.

587
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the biggest curb appeal. I don't know, it

588
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: depends where you're coming from, but everybody knows the story

589
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: of Mackenzie Milton. At this Pointlton's hurt comes over from

590
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: UCF as opposed to the ten and ten ratio that

591
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: we saw from Florida State last season. Mackenzie Milton brings

592
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: with him over eighty six hundred career passing yards, seventy

593
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: two career passing touchdowns, and just twenty two interceptions. If

594
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: he stays healthy. That's a damn big upgrade, isn't it?

595
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: It is? But you know, putting the hopes of improvement

596
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: on and season improvement on the fully reconstructed leg of

597
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: a quarterback fair it's fair, which I don't know how

598
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: much that term encapsulates, but you know, I'm picturing all

599
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: the construction sites I now go to with my two

600
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: and a half year old and seeing scaffolding and excavators

601
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: and back ho loaders. I'll drop tractor names here, ty,

602
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: but it was incredibly serious, which is why he's been

603
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: gone for so long. And so that's tricky. That is,

604
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: it is definitely a even if he's just fine, it's tricky.

605
00:29:59,320 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: It is tricky.

606
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: It's tricky. It's tricky. It's absolutely tricky where you're gonna

607
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: worry about him a ton, and like, how do you

608
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: work with him in practice and get reps and you

609
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: know you don't want to put too much on him

610
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: at first, of course, but no, I mean Florida State

611
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: big picture. It's just it's a fascinating study in if

612
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: you let a program go down the wrong path, it's

613
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: going to take years upon years upon years to correct things,

614
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: especially with the combination of the end of Jimbo's tenure

615
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: and how recruiting fell off and how the culture fell off,

616
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: and then hiring the wrong guy to fix it in

617
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: Willie Taggert, who recruited fine in terms of star rankings,

618
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Speaker 1: but it was he did not recruit well in terms

619
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Speaker 1: of turning a program around. And so what Mike Norvell

620
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: and staff have to dig out of at a place

621
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Speaker 1: that is already so far ahead of everybody in terms

622
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Speaker 1: of ease of winning, ease of recruiting, geography. The case

623
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Speaker 1: study is fascinating, and I think Mike Norvell is doing

624
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: good things thus far in terms of talent and putting

625
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: that talent in position to improve.

626
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: He's basically nuked the entire roster.

627
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: It's starting over.

628
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: It's a full rebuild right down to the studs. And

629
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Speaker 2: I think last year was the worst year to be

630
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: a new coach, absolutely installing and culture and everything, which

631
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: is why I sort of give Florida State a mulligan

632
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: in that respect, as I do most teams last year

633
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: because it was so goofy. But I think it was

634
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: Andy Staples in his preview of Florida State brought up

635
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: a good point exactly what you were just referencing. So

636
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: Norvell goes out, he hits the transfer portal really hard.

637
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: Mackenzie Milton's the name that everybody knows. The name that

638
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: they're excited about on defense is Jermaine Johnson, who comes

639
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: over from Georgia. Kind of a big deal on the line.

640
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: Should help them, give them a little bit more, presents

641
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a rushing defensive, rushing attack.

642
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: Yep.

643
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: Andy's point was what does it say about the state

644
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: of the Florida State program if a rotation player for

645
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: the Georgia Bulldogs can come over immediately be like maybe

646
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: the best player on the Florida State defense. Fine, it's

647
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: good for Florida State. It's good for Florida State. It's

648
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: not where Florida State used to be, and I think

649
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: that's what fans have been dealing with for quite some time.

650
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: Back to the point of Mackenzie Milton, his line in

651
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: front of him returns one hundred starts, all five starters

652
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: are back. That should help protect him, help keep him upright.

653
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we'll see, yeah, we'll see. Jermaine Johnson will

654
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: see what he could do along the line. They also

655
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: went out and got another kid, Kier Thomas, from South

656
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: Carolina to anchor the other side of the defensive line

657
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: to hopefully give them again more of that pass rush.

658
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: They pulled in some other guys from from South Carolina

659
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: at the linebacker course. So they're really doing their best

660
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: here to try and plug those gaps which I think

661
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: norvell Is is mindful of and knows about and is

662
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: trying to at least through the portal use to move

663
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: the ball forward here.

664
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: No pun intends you shift your eyes by the way

665
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: to the schedule, to the traffic report. Is there a

666
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: game on that schedule where you say, okay, here is

667
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: the toss up game where they either need to win

668
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: or look really good in a loss. They need to

669
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: be competitive. The sort of like lose big before you

670
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: lose small, before you win small before you win big

671
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Is there that like early to mid

672
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: season game where like this should be like the bell

673
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: weather of where Florida State is heading. Well, so yesterday,

674
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have one game, I have

675
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: seven games. I have seven games. Cool.

676
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: This is the second toughest schedule in the ACC, next

677
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: to Georgia Tech.

678
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

679
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: For them, the last three weeks September, the first week

680
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: of October is going to be key. They got to

681
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: run the table there because the rest of the way

682
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: is really tough. They open at or open a home

683
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: against Notre Dame. Then they have that four week lole

684
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: where they got to run the table. The schedule from

685
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: October the ninth on at North Carolina, UMass at Clemson,

686
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: NC State, Miami College at Florida.

687
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

688
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: So my only point, the only reason I bring that

689
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: up is that last year's team would have gone one

690
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: and six against that slate. Sure, assuming they run the

691
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: table after the Notre Dame game. If Florida State wants

692
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 2: to get to a Bowl, they have to win at

693
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: least two or three of those seven games that are

694
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: just listed they have to. So who are the tweeners

695
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: in there? Baby Boston College, maybe NC State, maybe Miami.

696
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's a tough spell right in

697
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: the middle there that they're going to have to contend

698
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 2: with those last seven games.

699
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will, okay, So I would point to Wake.

700
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: So you're three games and now it's Notre Dame in

701
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: Jacksonville State, so you'll have a good idea of what

702
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: you are and what you aren't by then, sure, exactly.

703
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I would point it to Wake on the road. They

704
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: beat North Carolina behind a huge first half and a

705
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: nothing second half last year, so I would say competitive

706
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: against North Carolina even though they're going to be dogs

707
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: on the road in Chapel Hill. And then probably NC

708
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: State where they are is a program, because that's why

709
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: to let down look ahead situation, you know, after Clem's

710
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: before Miami. So what they look like at home against

711
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: NC State? So really it's the North Carolina schools, which

712
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: is very vague considering there are many North Carolina schools

713
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: in the ACC. But NC State and UNC to me

714
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: are okay, so we're halfway ish through the season. What

715
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: do they look like? Are they Are they losing thirty

716
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 1: four to seven? Or are they you know, at least

717
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: giving North Carolina's defense, which isn't lights out a good

718
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: amount to handle? Are they losing that game thirty five

719
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: twenty seven? You know, what are we talking about with

720
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: Florida State by the time they play North Carolina? And

721
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: what do they look like in a letdown, look ahead

722
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: sandwich situation against the pack? That to me, those will

723
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: be like the bookmarks of the twenty twenty one Florida

724
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: State season.

725
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 2: Vegas for what It's worth has Florida State at five

726
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: and a half and five and a half wins as

727
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: the over under. Most people were betting the under. You

728
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: can get even money odds if you go over, which

729
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 2: is right, actually a pretty good number if you take

730
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 2: the most possible optimistic of Florida State, if you assume

731
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: that Mackenzie Milton goes out there and is incredible, I.

732
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: Can find seven.

733
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: I can find seven or eight. Yeah, so I would

734
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: go over that five and a half. I think wins

735
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: over Jacksonville State, SYRAHCUSEU, Mass and then three of Wake Louisville,

736
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: NC State, Miami BC, maybe even Notre Dame. In week one,

737
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, we'll talk about out to Dame,

738
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 2: but I think there's a path there for Florida State.

739
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: It's a really tough schedule, brutal schedule, fourteenth most difficult

740
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: in the country this year. It's because it's bookended by

741
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,479
Speaker 2: Notre Dame in Florida, and then they've got games against

742
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: Clemson and you know, Miami some of these other ACC

743
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: powers in between, so it's it's going to be a

744
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: bumpy road all together. I think Florida State's in a

745
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: much better spot. I feel like they've finally got this

746
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: thing turned around and going in a good direction. But

747
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: quarterback will be very instrumental in how you know and.

748
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: What does that room look like behind Mackenzie Milton. All

749
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: it takes is, you know, an average hit and he

750
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: might be a little bit more vulnerable.

751
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, where are we going next?

752
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: Uh, let's go. I'm gonna save Notre Dame for last.

753
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: Okay.

754
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're kind of only a half ACC team, so

755
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, you tell me what what what what?

756
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: Let's go to n C State. NC State's really appealing

757
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: to me.

758
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: Remember about your father, You're playing the sounds for everything. Now, No,

759
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not.

760
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: I'm just as a spirit moved to sprinkled I didn't

761
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: for Florida State. I wanted to get serious, but NC State.

762
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: NC State was eight and four last year. They lost

763
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 2: to Virginia Tech, North Carolina and Miami during ACC play,

764
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: and they lost a close one of Kentucky in the

765
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: bowl game. The best quarterback on the roster, Devin Leary,

766
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: only played three and a half games. That was in

767
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: part due to contact, tracing early and then breaking his

768
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: leg late. Right, So as we move forward, now the appeal,

769
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: do you want me to play it? I'll play it?

770
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: What the hell one of those boys appreciate.

771
00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: It, dulls.

772
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: In Diesel Tones. I think we're guaranteed to get some

773
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: improvement in twenty twenty one because there's nineteen starters back.

774
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: Devin Leary is recovered, Bailey Hawkman's gone, he transferred to

775
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: Middle Tennessee State. Everybody is back on offense, with the

776
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: exception of their tight end and right guard. We've got

777
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: Bam Knight. We've got Ricky Person Junior in the backfield

778
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: for the wolf Pack, really good running back unit. We've

779
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: got every starter back on defense, with the exception of

780
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 2: Alim McNeil, who went pro. Probably the second best front

781
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 2: seven in the ACC behind Clemson, anchored by Peyton Willis,

782
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: Isaiah Morrett linebacker, good second area for Miami. Need to

783
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: generate more turnovers, but it's a good team. It's a

784
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: good team. And one of the recurring themes that kept

785
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: coming up and going through all the preview content that's

786
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: out there is that this is this is a crazy

787
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: experienced team and Dave Dorin has done a good job.

788
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: He's now been extended four times. I believe in his

789
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: tenure at nc State because they believe in the job

790
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: he's doing. It hasn't always been sexy. Most of the time,

791
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: it hasn't, but this represents a very unique opportunity for

792
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 2: NC State, a very unique opportunity in that they bring

793
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: back a lot of their talent, pretty much all their

794
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: talent from a year ago, and if they can get

795
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: Devin lear to be healthy. Devin Leary's a very interesting player.

796
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: I think it was clear in the limited action that

797
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: we saw last year when he was in there, him

798
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: versus Bailey Hawkman. Like, Bailey Hawkman was fine, but Devin

799
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: Leary was a different a different cat. All together, that

800
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 2: is what they were missing. So if you throw him

801
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: in the mix, if you can keep him healthy, if

802
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: you can combine him with the Bam Knights and the

803
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 2: Rickey persons and a really experienced wide receiving corps, I'm

804
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: really excited about this team. NC State is a trendy pick.

805
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: What you'll find looking up and down the Atlantic is

806
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: that there are a lot of trendy picks out there.

807
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: We can talk about Boston College, I can talk a

808
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: little bit about Wake like trendy pick for what exactly

809
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: I think a trendy pick to surprise some teams lose

810
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: respectively to Clemson, Okay, or to get to eight or

811
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: nine wins. I want to get to eight or nine wins.

812
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: And that's where it's at. So for NC State, you

813
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: look at the schedule, it's a tough schedule. It's a

814
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 2: tough schedule. They've got a non conference game against Mississippi

815
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: State in Week two. They're home against Clemson, They're at

816
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: Boston College, They're at Miami, They're at Florida State. They've

817
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: also got North Carolina on the schedule. They basically have

818
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: to play the top three teams in the ACC. So

819
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: it's no picnic to go through the schedule. But if

820
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: you look up and down the team, it's got a

821
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: lot of talent, it's got veteran leadership. If Devin Leary

822
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: stays healthy and they don't get to nine wins, it's

823
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: a huge disappointment, a huge disappointment. I've seen some power

824
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: rankings that have NC stated it's a top ten team.

825
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 2: I'm not willing to go that far, Dan, but that's

826
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: what we're talking about here, with the level of talent,

827
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: with the level of veteran returning production.

828
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: So the three most dangerous teams on their schedule appear

829
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: to be what North Carolina, Miami Clemson.

830
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: North Carolina, Miami Clemson.

831
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, they obviously can beat two of those three teams.

832
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: They can not necessarily will, man, especially from where they

833
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: were two years ago. And if I believe I believe

834
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinators, Tim Back, Tim Back, Yeah, your boy. Yeah.

835
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: I was actually really impressed with what they were able

836
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: to do last year, even I think other than the

837
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: North Carolina game, their losses were competitive losses, which is

838
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: always a nice sign after the basement to which they

839
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: fell in twenty nineteen. So it was a nice bounce

840
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: back year last year. They were competitive, they were close

841
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: in their losses. They won games that they should have

842
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: and that's without their starting quarterback, Devin Leary a Jersey kid, right.

843
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: Jersey kid, Yeah he is.

844
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: I don't know where it appears aerial or aeriel. Do

845
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: you know how to pronounce that?

846
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: I have no idea how to say that.

847
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: Not far from Philly, Cherry Hill, that sort of general area.

848
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: So I'm sure you've driven accidentally through there.

849
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: I have many times. Yeah. So look, they're a very

850
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: interesting team, and it depends where you look, obviously, but

851
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: by most accounts, second best team in the Atlantic, FA Atlantic,

852
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: in Atlantic, whatever we want to call it. They do

853
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: draw Clemson at home, we'll see, we'll see. Stranger things

854
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: have happened. But NC State's a very interesting team to

855
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: keep your eye on as you move forward now into

856
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. I'm excited about the prospect for the

857
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: wolf Pack.

858
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to come down to their defense, I think,

859
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: more than anything, even if if their offense is solid. Defensively,

860
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 1: the three teams that we mentioned as being the clear

861
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: obvious threats to you know, eight nine, ten wins or whatever,

862
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: seven wins, I don't know, whatever they end up with

863
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: is Sam Howel, Dearic King, dj ouy ang Lela. Their

864
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: defense needs to well, they need to tackle way better.

865
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking at some of their numbers that were pretty

866
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: awful tackling team last year. But if they're getting after

867
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback, if they're containing quarterbacks, because all three of

868
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: those guys can move and extend, et cetera, they have

869
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: a good shot, not necessarily to win those games, but

870
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: as sort of a proof of concept that they're not

871
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: going to lose games because of things like that.

872
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: Because of things like that, and that's a totally valid point.

873
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: Very good front seven, Yeah, very good front seven. If

874
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: the secondary can do a little bit more enforcing turnovers,

875
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 2: it makes this defense really really good.

876
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: They were just like we talked about feisty teams last year,

877
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: they weren't feisty. They were just solid all around. Solid year,

878
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: just solid. Not a ton of curb appeal, right, but

879
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: just solid. A good amount to build on a dependable

880
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: like Toyota Corolla is not going to die enough.

881
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: Where are we going next?

882
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: Let's go because oh boy, when you talk about solid,

883
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: you don't talk about so I. But let's talk cards.

884
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: I read through the preview that Max Olson wrote over

885
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: on the Athletic and I pulled this quote from Scott Sadderfield,

886
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: which I think sums it all up.

887
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: Quote.

888
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: We played good enough in all three phases to win

889
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: a lot more games than we won. It's hard to

890
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: look at one stat, but last year you probably could

891
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: look at one stat turnover margin, and crap, you clean

892
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: that up. You've got a great opportunity, a great chance

893
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: to be successful in a lot of games and get

894
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: back to where we need to get to Dan. Their

895
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: turnover margin last year was minus twelve minus twelve that

896
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: they threw twelve picks, they lost twelve of eighteen fumbles,

897
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: and they only forced twelve takeaways. I can't tell you

898
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: how many times we were recapping games last year and

899
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: you'd go through and you'd look at the box score

900
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: and everything looked great until you got to that turnover line,

901
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: and it was maddening. From AFAR, just give them what

902
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: we do, which is examine games from really high level.

903
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: I can't imagine what it must have been like to

904
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: be on that team, to be.

905
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: A Louisville fan. It's infuriating them. It's infuriating.

906
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: It's very frustrating when turnovers do not go your way,

907
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: and so there were four and seven. In four of

908
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: those losses, they played well enough to win. In the Miami,

909
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, Virginia and Boston College games, they legit played

910
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: well enough to win, but turnovers got him. They were

911
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: loaded with talent. Malik Cunningham, I believe changed his name

912
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 2: back to Melie last year. Right, Yeah, change it back

913
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: from McHale. They had him, They had Javian Hawkins, they

914
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,479
Speaker 2: had Des Fitzpatrick and Tutu at Well, both of whom,

915
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: by the way, got drafted into the NFL. They had talent.

916
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 2: It was just the turnovers really killed him.

917
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: Otherwise, Hawkins opted.

918
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: Out, like opted out, and otherwise it was the fifteenth

919
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: best offense in college football, seventy fifth best best defense,

920
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: which we'll talk about momentarily.

921
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: Now but probably.

922
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 2: Sp plus wise, but probably first in the new in

923
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: terms of missed opportunities. So a very like oblong lopsided

924
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: season with a lot of highs but one very specific

925
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: low which is very frustrating to follow.

926
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, twelve picks for Malie Cunningham. And you know, as

927
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: we know, turnovers can be quite random, right, picks are

928
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: not all on the quarterbacks. Sometimes there are tipped balls.

929
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's a miscommunication where receiver runs the wrong route.

930
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes just you know, shit happens. I don't know, for

931
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: lack of a better sure, but the you know, turnovers

932
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: will you know, come back to the mean for everybody.

933
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: A team that commits a lot of turnovers loses a

934
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: bunch of fumbles. Fumbles will come back right. It's there's

935
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: a randomness to that, unless a quarterback is not able

936
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: to read a defense and keeps getting tricked by the

937
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: same disguised coverages or something like that. The problem with

938
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: Louisville to me from you know Afar you've jumped into

939
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: the Louisville pond much more than I have, is that

940
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: the things surrounding the program, the indicators of the program,

941
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: do not appear to be in a good place. With

942
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: Scott Sadderfield speaking to South Carolina and the awkwardness around

943
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: that last year and that open job, the lack of

944
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: recruiting success at a place that you know, Charlie Strong

945
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: recruited to pretty successfully with you know, really nice inroads

946
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: in Florida, and you know, these guys leaving for the

947
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: NFL and getting drafted and not able to take advantage

948
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: of the fact that they've developed NFL players on both

949
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: sides of the ball. That to me is the issue

950
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: that culturally it does not seem that Louisville's in an

951
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: amazing place in the locker room on the recruiting trail

952
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: to feel amazing about what's needed to turn things around.

953
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: That's the worry something to me.

954
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: And to that point, I struggled with the curb appeal here.

955
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 2: I struggled with the reason that jazzed about Louisville football.

956
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: I really like Millie Cunningham, we always have.

957
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: I like Brayden Smith. I think he flashed some last

958
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: year receiver.

959
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: But as you said, they lost Javian Hawkins. T Two

960
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: at Well and Desitzpatrick are now in the NFL. The

961
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: line's pretty good, which may mean a fully unleashed Malik

962
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: Cunningham where he is out, they're running around trying to

963
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: win games on his own because the skill talent around

964
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: him is Look, it's they have options, but it's not

965
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: to the level that it was last year, not even close.

966
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: They had some good linebackers last year.

967
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: They had some good linebackers. I'm I feel optimistic about

968
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: the Malie Cunningham combo with the offensive line because it

969
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: truly is one of the better units in the ACC.

970
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: But you know, to your point, like Scott Saderfield lost

971
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 2: his offensive coordinator, he didn't hire a new one. He's

972
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: calling the players this year, it's going to be all

973
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: on him. I'm unless it's like Mike Gundy, who we

974
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: know calls offense, or some of these other guys who

975
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: have done it consistently over the years to great effect,

976
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: I'm not. That doesn't leave me feeling great about it.

977
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: I don't even know does Mike Gundy call. I don't

978
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: even know, because I mean he's hired some really good

979
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: coordinators he's hired, I don't know who controls. But you

980
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: get my.

981
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: Point, right, if it were Gundy, you'd feel better about it.

982
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: The honest to goodness appeal from the outside looking in

983
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: for Louisville, And I'm not saying this is trying to

984
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: mean Louisville in any sense. I will root for them.

985
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: I like Milik Cunningham a great deal. The appeal may

986
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 2: be that this is just a really interesting half team

987
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: for most of the year, because this is a defense

988
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: that struggled last year. I said, seventy fifth in the

989
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: sp plus it loses it's like five of its top

990
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: seven tacklers. It is surprising that they're not better on

991
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: defense given Sadderfield's track record, particularly at app State, for

992
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: building a really good defense before he came over. He

993
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 2: tends to think he told Max that he sees top

994
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: twenty five potential for this defense. I don't see top

995
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 2: twenty five potential for this defense. I mean, we all

996
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: really like ya Ya Dabi because his name is yah

997
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: Yah of course, and he was able to generate pressure

998
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: coming off the edge, and he likes his depth up

999
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: front and all that. But they had a transfer. They

1000
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: had to work the transfer portal to get some depth

1001
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 2: and some bit of anchoring on the back half of

1002
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: that secondary. At this point, kind of everybody's kind of everybody,

1003
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: everybody's in the portal, but they had the fact that

1004
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: they had to use it to plug the gaps I

1005
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: think is significant. So you know, there's that. The half

1006
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: team thing is always interesting, at least from a solid

1007
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: verbal level. And also the schedule. I think the schedule

1008
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: does offer some curb appeal. They play a lot of

1009
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 2: good teams. If nothing more, it should be for interesting TV.

1010
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: With Malik Cunningham and it was line I was words

1011
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: out of my mouth. They're a TV team TV like,

1012
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: they're competitive against Notre Dame, they get blown out.

1013
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: By I don't know, name your team. They lose by

1014
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: two touchdowns to Virginia Like they are a you don't

1015
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: know who you're going to get every week, which again

1016
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: totally infuriating if you're a Louisville football fan. But in

1017
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: terms of looking at the scoreboard and seeing that a

1018
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: random game is thirty one thirty with four minutes left,

1019
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: there's a good chance Louisville is going to be involved

1020
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: in that, and it could be against somebody bad, it

1021
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: could be somebody excellent.

1022
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's a very formidable ACC schedule. It's

1023
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: got Clemson, it's got Florida State, North Carolina State, a

1024
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: non conference schedule that inevitably will make things feel worse

1025
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 2: than they are because week one will miss. They close

1026
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: out the season against Kentucky. So it's just a lot

1027
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: of things are kind of working against them here. They've

1028
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 2: UCF too, right, I believe, So yeah, yeah, Louisville is UCF.

1029
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: They have a I mean, we'll get to UCF later

1030
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: on in this episode, but to have Matt Corral and

1031
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel to open the season in two your first

1032
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: three weeks, and then Mackenzie Milton, who could potentially be

1033
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: really strong in three of your first four weeks coming

1034
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: off of a with I'm not coming off of but

1035
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 2: throwing a pretty bad If we're going to believe twenty

1036
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 2: twenty to whatever extent, big play defense, that's a lot.

1037
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: It's a lot.

1038
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: It's a lot.

1039
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 2: It's a lot. So an interesting TV show if nothing more. Yeah,

1040
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: Vegas has the over under at six and a half

1041
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: for Louisville. People are hitting the over. I think six

1042
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: and a half is the right number. More people are

1043
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: hitting the over than the under. I could see anywhere

1044
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 2: from five and seven up to nine and three if

1045
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 2: you want to get really crazy with it. I don't

1046
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: believe that. I say seven and five. Oh man, I

1047
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: say seventy five. I see too much turnover on both

1048
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: sides of the football and just not enough support for

1049
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: Eliite Cunningham to want to go higher than that. So

1050
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 2: give me, give me seven and five over by a

1051
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: hair and interesting TV, but not the kind of cornerstone

1052
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: season that I mean. Scott Saderfield was glowing about this team. Yeah,

1053
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 2: glowing about it. I don't care about losing guys from

1054
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: a disappointing team, and whether it's turnovers, whether it's the

1055
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: defense giving up big plays, I don't care about that

1056
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: as much as all. But they've been recruiting really well.

1057
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 2: Oh this receiver has really been popping. This is like

1058
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: the next to to, this is the next whatever does

1059
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: short of that is very hard to see them winning

1060
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of forty seven to forty three games without

1061
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: those options out wide, without the next Javian Hawkins, without

1062
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 2: you know, Malie Cunningham taking a really nice step forward

1063
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: in terms of protecting the ball. So yeah, that it

1064
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: doesn't bother me that they lose players. I mean everybody

1065
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 2: loses players. I mean between you.

1066
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: Know, declaring and graduation and transfer portal, like that's just

1067
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: going to be normal. It's just, you know, more turnover

1068
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: than usual in normal seasons. But man, yeah, I really

1069
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: wish they've been finding those high three star guys in

1070
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: Florida that that pop. But we'll say, let me go

1071
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: over to Syracuse.

1072
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: This will be a quick one. This will be a

1073
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: quick one. I'm wearing the q's shirt. I support the

1074
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 2: CU's cuse went one and ten last year, won one game,

1075
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: and we've had people asking us in our Q and

1076
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: A shows if Dino should be fired. Now, there were

1077
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: a ton of injuries, the offensive line was in shambles.

1078
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: Didn't go well. I take it as a very bad

1079
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: sign that the opening handful of paragraphs in the Athletics

1080
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: Syracuse preview featured Dino Babers looking to the Bible for

1081
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: inspiration for this coming season.

1082
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: Now, look as your staunch anti Bible ant nubris continue.

1083
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: No disrespect at all to the to the wonderful text

1084
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 2: that is the Bible.

1085
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll take All I'm saying.

1086
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: Is if that's where they start with the preview, and

1087
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: if it has gotten to that level for Dino Babers

1088
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: where we're now like kind of leaning on that a.

1089
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: Little bit more than we should, you gotta go with

1090
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: that whatever you can get ty though, right, you got

1091
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: to exhaust all evange. I just I took that.

1092
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: As a very ominous sign. Okay, where for where things

1093
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: are headed? I hope it works. I know he's a

1094
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: man of faith. I hope he's able to find inspiration

1095
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: however he can to turn this thing around. Because I liked,

1096
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: you know a lot, but I found that as a

1097
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 2: very telling symbol of where this program's at. I read

1098
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: through the Phil Steel preview. Phil Steel was surprised that

1099
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: they retained Dino Babers. People who have written into us

1100
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 2: are surprised as well. So we'll see that he's owed

1101
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: a lot of money. He's owed a lot of money.

1102
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: The over under four syracuses years three and most people

1103
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 2: are bet under. Most people are new QB though, right,

1104
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: that's something Garrett Strader, Yeah remember him.

1105
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a blue chip Morehead recruit. I believe

1106
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: Mississippi State.

1107
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: He's a big kid. You can put him on the move.

1108
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got to be better than Tommy Defito,

1109
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:17,959
Speaker 2: your boy.

1110
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: Oh, don't say that. That's such a mean nickname that

1111
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: I regret.

1112
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: He's got to be better than Tommy de Vito.

1113
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: Excuse me.

1114
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like there's experience all over the place. This

1115
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: is one of those cases that you referenced earlier. It's

1116
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 2: a ton of experience to bring back nineteen guys. Yeah,

1117
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: is that good?

1118
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: Mmmmm. I really do hope that they've rethought some of

1119
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: their scheme stuff because they were playing really fast, that

1120
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: was their big thing. They're gonna play with a ton

1121
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 1: of tempo, but then they're gonna run power with tempo,

1122
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: and it was just without that line, it was a nightmare.

1123
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: They were off the field so quickly, so often.

1124
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, they added an offensive

1125
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: line coach, guy by the name of Mike Schmidt, not

1126
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 2: the okay Mike Schmidt from the Phillies or the New

1127
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: York Times, depending on your frame of reference. But the

1128
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 2: line's got to get better.

1129
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: They know it.

1130
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 2: They brought him over. We'll see how it goes. Defensively,

1131
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: they also return a lot, but again it's a question

1132
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 2: of that. Is that a good thing? The lineback linebacking

1133
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: corps is super young? Yeah, kind of fun, but like,

1134
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: I'm really mixed here, don't. I don't know what to

1135
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 2: make of it.

1136
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: The final numbers indicate I believe that the defense was

1137
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: not good, but I felt as if that was an

1138
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 1: extreme case of the offense getting off the field so quickly,

1139
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: in the offense being so inept that they hung the

1140
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: defense out to dry more than anything that happened during

1141
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: the season, because I actually in watching Syracuse play defense,

1142
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: and I know there were games where they gave up

1143
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: a ton of points whatever, but they seemed well coached right,

1144
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: They tackled pretty well. I don't know what their havoc

1145
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: rate was. Maybe you have it in front of them,

1146
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: but like, I don't feel like if you dive into

1147
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: the defense, like, I don't think they were tremendously bad

1148
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: players or just huge coverage bus. They were just put

1149
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: in a terrible position. I actually thought like the defense had,

1150
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: at least for a chunk of the season, decent enough promise.

1151
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, the linebacking corps. The linebacking corps led the way

1152
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: with havoc. The rest of it was, you know, pretty

1153
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: average from a defensive back standpoint. They didn't do much

1154
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: at all. They were not creating those havoc plays. But yeah,

1155
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: I mean it's they're just you have to qualify this

1156
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: with so many questions about Syracuse, and sure, this is

1157
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: a case where bringing a lot back maybe isn't a

1158
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: good thing. It may be beyond repair for what it's worth.

1159
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: The players who have played under Dino, the players who

1160
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: have gone through the system at Syracuse all feel very optimistic.

1161
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: They're surprised it hasn't turned around.

1162
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: Quicker.

1163
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's the case where he hasn't found

1164
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: his quarterback yet. I just you know. I mean Eric

1165
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: Dungee worked out that was that was kind of not

1166
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 2: his andary thing, but not his guy, you know, right,

1167
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: I wonder, I wonder if he can find his guy.

1168
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: Maybe it's s Trader.

1169
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: Well, we'll Sabby.

1170
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: Toughest non conference game is probably against Liberty, which is

1171
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: a revenge spot after losing last year. They've got a

1172
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: game against Rutgers, but then they've got a brutal, brutal

1173
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: stretch in October Liberty, Florida State, Wake Forest, Clemson, at

1174
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech, Boston College, all in consecutive weeks. Right, I

1175
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: don't have to win any of those games. So it's

1176
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: a it's a tough schedule for the quse, A really

1177
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: tough spot for Dino. He's hanging on by a thread.

1178
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: I would not go over three.

1179
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would honestly over three. I wouldn't expect you

1180
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: to look because I definitely didn't on my side of

1181
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: the ACC for the most part. But like, when are

1182
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: teams going to the Carrier Dome, where is that letdown spot?

1183
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 2: And that's all that's always a thing with them, right.

1184
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: So when you look at their winnable games, right, So

1185
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: I think we feel pretty good about Clemson in the

1186
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: Carrier Dome, even though recent history might suggest that it

1187
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: could be trickier than expected, but I don't expect Like

1188
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: wake Forest goes to the Carrier Dome after playing Louisville, Okay,

1189
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: that could be tricky. Boston College goes to the Carrier

1190
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: Dome after playing Louisville, but both on the road, So

1191
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: that's a second straight road game going to the Carrier Dome.

1192
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: Just in terms of like maybe winnable games, Liberty goes

1193
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: to the Carrier Dome after playing ODU. All respect to

1194
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: Ricky Ronnie, but I don't you know, it's been a

1195
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: long time and the other teams on their schedule. When

1196
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: you look at Syracuse and hosting, who does Rutgers have

1197
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: before going to the Carrier Dome. Rutgers has Temple. Okay,

1198
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: that's a pretty winnable game. And like BC, I mentioned

1199
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: Pitt before Pitt goes to the Carrier Dome, Pitt has Virginia.

1200
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: I don't know how scary that is, but like maybe

1201
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: there's like a crazy triple overtime game and then you

1202
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: follow that up with going to it. I think it's

1203
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: Western New York. I always have f it up if

1204
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: it's Western or Central New York. I think it's western,

1205
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: So I think situationally, Syracuse has to get very lucky.

1206
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's go to wake Forest, Dan, Yes,

1207
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: go to wake Forest. Wake Forest is the how do

1208
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 2: I want to phrase this poor Man's Boston College this

1209
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 2: year in terms of pure hype, everybody is talking about

1210
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: Boston College, which is weird, very weird, and.

1211
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: We'll get to Boston College.

1212
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 2: Not enough people are talking about wake Forest and that's

1213
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: because they went four and five last year in play

1214
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: that well against some of their in state games against

1215
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: North Carolina or North Carolina State. You know, they were

1216
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: within one score of both, So the score makes and

1217
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 2: Sea Game was wild wild game. I think the score

1218
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 2: makes it lo closer than it was. But yeah, look

1219
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: at postgame win expectancy, that type of stuff, and it

1220
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: tells a different story. Still drop fifty, wake Forest took

1221
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 2: a marginal step back on both sides of the football.

1222
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1223
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 2: But this year they are very interesting to me because

1224
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 2: they bring back twenty starters. Now again, is that a

1225
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: good thing depends on your perspective. I think it's a

1226
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 2: good thing when taken in tandem with their schedule because

1227
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: if you look at the schedule, it's one spot easier

1228
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 2: than Clemson's. Clemson's is seventy second nationally, wake Forest is

1229
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: seventy First's I guess one spot harder.

1230
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1231
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: They could easily start eight, No, reasily start eight.

1232
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: No, all right, I'm pulling it up. I'm pulling up

1233
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: the schedule.

1234
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 2: We're looking at a November to remember for wake Forest,

1235
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 2: which we'll get into. But you know, great, I read

1236
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: the athletic things as you probably have gathered at this.

1237
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: Point, stayed the program.

1238
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave Clawson in the piece that Grace Rayner put together, quote,

1239
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 2: we've always been those one or two close games away

1240
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 2: from being a five hundred team, but we've also been

1241
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 2: those one or two close games away from being a

1242
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: nine or a ten win team. Is this the year

1243
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: we can do it?

1244
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 3: So?

1245
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: Look, I mean maybe I seems like a bit of

1246
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: a stretch to me, but they got all eleven started

1247
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 2: back from last year's offense. We should see some improvement.

1248
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1249
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: The defense should also improve. They lose Jaquez Williams at linebacker,

1250
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 2: but otherwise nine games or nine guys are back.

1251
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: And Boogie Basham though, come on looking like, so good

1252
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: for them, really good looking, like maybe their best defense

1253
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: in the last five years. Yeah, so there's a lot

1254
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: to like there.

1255
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 2: I'm not going to rattle off names, but you know,

1256
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: Sam Hartman's back for like his fifteenth year, which feels

1257
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 2: like his fifteenth year. They've got good skill talent around him.

1258
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: They've got a good line, maybe the third best in

1259
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: the conference. So there's a lot to like about this

1260
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 2: wake Forest team. And I think that includes the schedule

1261
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 2: because look, like I said, November is really where it's at.

1262
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: November is where it's at.

1263
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: Now.

1264
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: The other interesting quirk about Wake Forest, and you probably

1265
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: know this, and it took me a bit to remind myself,

1266
01:02:55,360 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: but their biggest non conference game is actually against North Carolina, right,

1267
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 2: because these are two rivals that are on opposite sides

1268
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,439
Speaker 2: of the ACC from a divisional standpoint, and rather than

1269
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 2: square up once every seven years because of the rotation,

1270
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: they decided they were going to schedule a home and

1271
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: home back in I love it. I love it twenty

1272
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: fifteen to give themselves more opportunities to play, which is awesome.

1273
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: So, and they did not schedule much in the non conference.

1274
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: Around They did not they did not So look, we

1275
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 2: could talk about the build up to November, but November's loaded.

1276
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: November is at North Carolina home against NC State, at Clemson,

1277
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: at Boston College, and four consecutive weeks to close out

1278
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 2: the year. That's what's going to make or break this season.

1279
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: But otherwise they're good enough. They are good enough. If

1280
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 2: you squint, you can get them to eight and oh,

1281
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: however likely or unlikely that seems, but really train your

1282
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: eye on that November slate because that's what's going to

1283
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: That's what's going to make wake Forest season for sure.

1284
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: Do they have dudes like surrounding I think Sam Hartman's fine.

1285
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he was especially accurate, and that's sort

1286
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: of a more nickel Dimi offense. So obviously they lose

1287
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: their quarterback transferring to Georgia before last season.

1288
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 2: And Jakari Roberson's good out wide, He's good.

1289
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just the thing to me, it's who is

1290
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: going to stretch defenses? Who is I mean, as we

1291
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: know Bill Connolly has noted the team who both generates

1292
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: and stops big plays, that's the biggest indicator of wins

1293
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: and losses. Sure, if you're going to look at any

1294
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: single metric, and so they didn't run the ball with

1295
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: any sort of explosion. Last year. Sam Hartmon wasn't especially

1296
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't you know he was. He was

1297
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: accurate enough, but he wasn't going downfield a ton. So

1298
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: that to me is the thing is can Wake Forest

1299
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: methodically beat everybody that they should beat? Because methodically is difficult,

1300
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: that's more chances for mistakes.

1301
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 2: Vegas has him at six and a half. I'd go over.

1302
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: I would definitely go over. That feels really low to me,

1303
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: really low to me. I like Wake a great deal.

1304
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: Six and a half. Two loh, so go go over

1305
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: on that. That's where I'm at with Wake I take

1306
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: your point, though, and I felt the same way. There

1307
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 2: could be a problem problem with wake Forest where you

1308
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: look up and down the roster and you say, good

1309
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 2: use of it, ty, thank you. I finally figured it out. Yeah,

1310
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 2: you look up and down the roster and you say, wow,

1311
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 2: they bring back all these starters.

1312
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 1: Again.

1313
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 2: It's a question is that a good thing? The experience

1314
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 2: is there, you would expect improvement, and I think we

1315
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: will see that. It's just to what end, right, Let's

1316
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 2: go to Boston College. Please, let's go b C Let's

1317
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 2: talk jerky boys. Let's talk going to the jerk store.

1318
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: Let's talk filed your coovic and the Herckey jerky delivery.

1319
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: Let's talk out of nowhere. NFL scouts are truly what

1320
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: was that? Yeah? I mean it happens to a quarterback,

1321
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: at least a quarterback every summer.

1322
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 2: So what you're referring to is Pete Amimal from Yahoo

1323
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: wrote an article talking about how all the scouts are buzzing.

1324
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: You're Tanner McKee, You're well, who's the giants? H Daniel Thomas,

1325
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: Daniel Daniel Thomas, Daniel something, Daniel L.

1326
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 2: Jones, Daniel Jones.

1327
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: Scouts are drooling over this. Daniel Thomas was your running back?

1328
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: That's true from K State, I believe.

1329
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 3: So.

1330
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 2: Look year one under Jeff Halfley, your boy was an

1331
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 2: overwhelming success. Yeah, overwhelming success. Can we call him the half?

1332
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,439
Speaker 2: Can we just commit to that this year?

1333
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: Are they the one true half team? Can we? No?

1334
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 2: No, not half half? I know I know what you're

1335
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: half like David Hasselhoff. Can he be the half.

1336
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: Half or or the flea like the red Hot Chili

1337
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: Pepper's bassist.

1338
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they played extraordinarily hard last year. This is a

1339
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: team that showed a lot of fight. Three of their

1340
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 2: six wins were against team that were ranked better than

1341
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 2: them in the SP Plus, which is always something I

1342
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 2: like to look at. They lost to both Clemson and

1343
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, but they hung with both to varying degrees,

1344
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 2: only lost to Clemson by six.

1345
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: DJU Clemson DJU Clemson. Sure m hmm.

1346
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 2: I thought Jeff Hafley in his preview with Nicole in

1347
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,919
Speaker 2: the Athletic Cole Auerback was really smart with the way

1348
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 2: that he laid out the season last year, and he said, look,

1349
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 2: we're installing all sorts of new stuff. We're not really

1350
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 2: at a point where we have much rapport with our team.

1351
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 2: It's going to be a very vanilla game plan, not

1352
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 2: gonna do anything crazy. You're gonna take any risks. We're

1353
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 2: gonna go five iron middle of the fairway, but we're

1354
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 2: just gonna do what we could do, be as straightforward

1355
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 2: as we can, and use that as a building block.

1356
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 2: We're just not gonna try stuff, and they didn't. They

1357
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 2: tried stuff to spring. That's when they tried it. But

1358
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 2: it worked out really well for him. In a weird

1359
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: COVID year where everybody was all over the place. It

1360
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 2: worked out really well. It helps that field. Your COVID

1361
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 2: worked out. Yes, Boston College had the third best passing

1362
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 2: offense in the ACC, beyond Clemson and North Carolina, a

1363
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 2: top fifty offense which sort of came out of nowhere. Thanks.

1364
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they hung around. I mean, I forget that. I

1365
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: don't know if we still have that that sound drop,

1366
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: the hanging around the Marcy playground. Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. Yeah,

1367
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: I think surprising at least to me. I mean, I

1368
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: really liked the flowers out wide. They flowers liked him. Yeah.

1369
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 1: To me, the question is more just like, does the

1370
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: defense go from being generally bad to below average so

1371
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: so well, and that's just it. That's the big thing

1372
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 1: to me.

1373
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 2: Top fifty offense barely a top one hundred defense.

1374
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1375
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 2: The only other thing I'll point out is that they

1376
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 2: could have gone to a ball but they decided not to.

1377
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 2: And it comes up in all the preview content that

1378
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 2: that that was a good move for them. Culturally. It

1379
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 2: seems like it they were able to build from that

1380
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 2: weird year. Weird year gave him a chance to recharge,

1381
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 2: come back strong, and now be part of this thing,

1382
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: which again Pete Thanmil's writing articles about Phil Jerkovic. The

1383
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 2: schedule is very appealing. They've got a lot back, They've

1384
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 2: got a good offensive line. There's a lot to like

1385
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 2: about this Boston College team as we go now into

1386
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 2: year or two of Jeff Haffley. The lot for crap

1387
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 2: last year, could not run for crap, could not run

1388
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 2: for crap. But Zay Flowers is back. He led the

1389
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 2: team in targets and yards and touchdowns. Smaller dude, but

1390
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 2: a vertical threat. Gets a lot of his work out

1391
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 2: of out of the slot. At least he did last year.

1392
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 2: Run a lot of go roots, that was his deal,

1393
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 2: and Jerkovic was able to connect with them. So I

1394
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 2: think those factors alone have huge appeal, especially when you

1395
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 2: layer on the schedule. It's it's a lot clearer why

1396
01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 2: folks are so high on Boston College. There's a lot

1397
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 2: to like here. The X factor is, though you're right,

1398
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 2: defense it was bad last year. Bad up front, couldn't

1399
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 2: stop the run. They lose their top two tacklers from

1400
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 2: a year ago. Everyone else is back. They added a

1401
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 2: guy from Florida State, Jade and Lars would.

1402
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 1: Be who's going to come as a good player Yeah.

1403
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: The player hopefully going to come in on the back

1404
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: end of that defense and make a difference. But it's

1405
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 2: pretty clear, and Jeff Hafley's a former defensive coordinator, it's

1406
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 2: pretty clear that they need to try and get better

1407
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 2: on defense if they want to move this thing forward offense.

1408
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: I think they will. I think they will. I think

1409
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: they're another one of those teams you look at first

1410
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: year coaches in twenty twenty. It is incredibly reasonable to expect,

1411
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,520
Speaker 1: unless there's some sort of crazy personnel situation, an appreciable

1412
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: improvement just by having their very first off season. So

1413
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 1: I think defensively, I mean, he was known at Ohio

1414
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: State for really simplifying things and making everything very easy

1415
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: to understand and letting players play it. The defense has

1416
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 1: made sense more than it had previously and arguably since,

1417
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: so I expect something similar. I think his assistant hires

1418
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: were very well received. You obviously, Drigohovic came in with,

1419
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 1: you know, a top high school recruit and the pedigree

1420
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: of you know, being partially developed at Notre Dame. So

1421
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot to like about Boston College's upside. So

1422
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: I understand your optimism for sure.

1423
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 2: I the schedule's easy, right, like outside outside of Clemson,

1424
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 2: they go to Clemson October second. Otherwise, all this tough,

1425
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 2: All the tough games are at home. You get Missouri

1426
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 2: at home. I don't know how tough that'll be. But

1427
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 2: the Coldigate, new coach, New Missouri at home, NC State

1428
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: at home, Virginia Tech, Florida State, and Wake all at home.

1429
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 2: They're all at home.

1430
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is nice. It's not bad. It's it's not

1431
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: Tech on the road, Syracuse on the road, Louisville. I

1432
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: mean that's two consecutive road games. But whatever, you're right,

1433
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: and you get a buye between Clemson and NC State.

1434
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 2: So it's a great schedule. It works out well for them.

1435
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: These mid tier ACC teams are always tough.

1436
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, will be tricky, miss tricky.

1437
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 2: Especially with Eli drink Wit. He will have he will

1438
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 2: understand the context here that b season up andcoming program

1439
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 2: right now. Sure, so you know how optimistic do you

1440
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 2: want to get here? Do you want to go ten

1441
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 2: and two? You want to go five and seven? I

1442
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 2: can make a case for either.

1443
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: You can make a case for ten and two. Boston College.

1444
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna crack my neck and just enjoy this, Okay,

1445
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: why not. Boston College still had kind of a somewhat

1446
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:31,520
Speaker 1: disastrous defensive twenty twenty. Here are there losable games missoo Clemson,

1447
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: NC State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, Florida State Wake. That's seven games.

1448
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 1: Those are losable games for BC.

1449
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 2: But if it all goes right, ten and two, if

1450
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 2: it all goes right, If it all goes right, that's

1451
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 2: my point.

1452
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: If they have the sixtieth best defense and they don't

1453
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: really regress turnover wise, because they did have some turnover

1454
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: luck last year, and they don't dramatically regress turnover wise,

1455
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: and phildri Khovic is who the drooling NFL scouts say

1456
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: he is and takes another step forward and has you know,

1457
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 1: fortifies that connection with a Flowers and maybe develop more

1458
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: receiving connections whatever. Then BC's schedule is such that they

1459
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: have maybe one two random third losable game. So I

1460
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: would say in four, nine and three is probably the.

1461
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 2: Eight and four is my bet. Eight and four is

1462
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 2: my bet. The over under is seven. I feel like

1463
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 2: seven is a strong over bet. I be inclined to

1464
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 2: go over. I think eight and four is a number though, Okay,

1465
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 2: eight and four is a number for me, I don't

1466
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 2: think it'll fall below seven. If it hits seven, you.

1467
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: Push, man, If what is where does Jeff Hafley go?

1468
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: If BC goes eight and four, nine and three, like,

1469
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: then you're gonna start agreeing with me about you know,

1470
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: flee and yeah, then we're talking major job, potentially big time. Yeah, okay, Yeah,

1471
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm pumping the brakes a little bit on that conversation.

1472
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's it. There's you know, there's a world

1473
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: in which we could draw it up on the big board.

1474
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 2: The final team here is Notre Dame mm hmm on

1475
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 2: my side, and then we'll get, yeah, quickly through some

1476
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 2: of the group of five stuff that I know you researched. Sure,

1477
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 2: Notre name went ten to two lastual, you went not

1478
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 2: an o dur In the regular season. They went ten

1479
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 2: to two.

1480
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: And thus concludes your Notre Dame preview.

1481
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 2: Undefeated regular season. But they lose to Clemson thirty four

1482
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 2: to ten in the rematch of the a SEC Championship

1483
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 2: and then lose thirty one to fourteen Tobama in the playoffs.

1484
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: Really efficient across the board. They had some issues finishing

1485
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,919
Speaker 2: drives and giving up big plays, but kind of everybody

1486
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 2: did the line was a beast. Entire defense generated a

1487
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 2: ton of havoc plays. They're really good, Kyron Williams of

1488
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 2: a coordinator gone defensive coordinator. I'm getting to that, getting

1489
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 2: to that, I promise. Iran Williams emerged maybe one of

1490
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 2: the best running backs in the country this year, We'll see.

1491
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: Sure. I honestly have not heard his name as much

1492
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: as I would expect to given his success last year.

1493
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: And like a really nice you know, got kudos for

1494
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: his blocking and his ability out of the backfield at

1495
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: times catching the ball. So yeah, a really really strong

1496
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: emergence for the Irish.

1497
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. And you know, love him or hate him,

1498
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 2: the offense did flow through Ian Book and it was

1499
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 2: damn effective. Sure I was not always Ian Book's biggest fan,

1500
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 2: but it flowed. It flowed through Ian Boe for sure.

1501
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 2: So that brings us now to where we go from here.

1502
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 2: And there are two sides of curb appeal for Notre Dame.

1503
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 2: We're gonna play it again.

1504
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 3: Just because you appreciate it's a fine body of gardless

1505
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 3: for the.

1506
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 2: Mac there are people out there who roll their eyes

1507
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 2: every time we bring up Notre Dame. And so let

1508
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 2: me start with the appeal for you.

1509
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 1: M m, they're only what is the appeal for me?

1510
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 2: Uh you? No, no, no, I'm giving you the appeal.

1511
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: I thought you wanted my big picture of Notre Dame.

1512
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 2: I don't care what you think outside Dame. You know

1513
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 2: that I have.

1514
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,799
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've got scrolls here continue.

1515
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 2: There are only three starters back on offense. They're leaning

1516
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 2: on Jack Cohne to be their starting quarterback probably in

1517
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 2: week one. He's not going to have an experienced line

1518
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 2: in front of him. Only one starter coming back, and

1519
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 2: they've got to transfer Caine Madden from Marshall Wide receiving

1520
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 2: corps is all over the place, kind of a mystery.

1521
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 2: They also lose five guys on defense, including their Buck

1522
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 2: Kiss Award winner.

1523
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if it was a havoc player.

1524
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 2: And if you want to count Clark Lee leaving to

1525
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 2: go to Vandy, that six starters. So there's there's a

1526
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 2: lot of turnover here in the season where turnover isn't

1527
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 2: exactly this roster turnover isn't so much recurring theme. Notre

1528
01:16:58,200 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 2: Dame finds a self in a spot where they got

1529
01:16:59,600 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 2: to place.

1530
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: That's the that's the bat.

1531
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 2: If you're a hater. That's what you that's what you

1532
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 2: focus in on. If you're a Notre Dame fan. You

1533
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 2: get Kyle Hamilton back, and really, what else do you need?

1534
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 2: I mean, what else?

1535
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: What else?

1536
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 2: New rowback, face athlete, endorser, endorser, spokesperson.

1537
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: So he's back.

1538
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 2: Secondary, should be good, little fit in the back, but

1539
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 2: they're really good, okay, should be solid in the front

1540
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 2: seven as well. Marcus Freeman comes over, He replaces Clark Lee,

1541
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 2: shifting up the defense a little bit. They for a

1542
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 2: while now have played more of a four to two five.

1543
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: He didn't. I was pretty sure it was more of

1544
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 1: a hybrid last year for Cincinnati and Marcus Freeman like

1545
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:45,799
Speaker 1: a three three three hybrid like he he experimented with fronts,

1546
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: experimented with fronts. This year, it's going to look for

1547
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: on the Notre Dame side, it's going to conventional four

1548
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: to three Yeah, okay.

1549
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 2: Offensively though it's a changing of the guard. And even

1550
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 2: though the line is inexperienced, it is still loaded with

1551
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 2: talent because Notre Dames recruited very well front. That's been

1552
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 2: that's been kind of the tent pole of Brian Kelly's

1553
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 2: recruiting strategy. Now for the last however many years.

1554
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, both sides of the ball, you know, developing

1555
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: NFL players along the line of scrimmage.

1556
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 2: It will take them a while to learn to play together.

1557
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be a total dearth

1558
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 2: of talent though. I don't think it's going to fall

1559
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 2: the bottoms are going to fall out in the offensive line.

1560
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 2: It just might take them a little bit to actually

1561
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 2: gel right. Their development is going to be very important

1562
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 2: because Tommy Reese, in most of what he said thus

1563
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 2: far this preseason, he's very focused on trying to get

1564
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 2: Kyen Williams and Chris Tyree the Rock as much as

1565
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 2: he can. He's even experimented a little bit or he's

1566
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 2: talked about experimenting with getting them both in the field

1567
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 2: at the same time. I don't know how that's gonna work,

1568
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 2: but I'm.

1569
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 1: All for slot back situation.

1570
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little too oop to you, but I'm

1571
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 2: Chris Tyree is a gifted athlete who they can move around,

1572
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,799
Speaker 2: So we'll see, we'll see. We've also got Michael Meherback

1573
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 2: who I was looking at his picture when he was eighteen.

1574
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: He looks like he's an American gladiator. I don't know

1575
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 2: how that happens, but young guy second year was a

1576
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 2: force last year. He's their leading returner, leading returning receiver.

1577
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: Maam, McKinley's gone right.

1578
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:15,799
Speaker 2: And then there's Jack Cone. Dan, you know how people

1579
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 2: feel about Jack Cone probably says more about them than

1580
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 2: it does actually about Jack Cone.

1581
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: Do people have lots of strong Jack Cone thoughts more

1582
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: than you would expect. I am not a conehead. You

1583
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: know this about me. I'm not a cone experimented, you dabbled.

1584
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 2: I didn't, though I never liked him.

1585
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: I mean, you liked him enough to give him a nickname.

1586
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 2: It was just so easy I had to.

1587
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: I know, I am not a conehead.

1588
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 2: I think he's very average, especially against a blitz. But

1589
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 2: I guess the appeal would be that he is different

1590
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 2: than he in book. Difference not always better. But if

1591
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 2: Ian book was frustrating for me to just watch him

1592
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 2: scramble around and not set his feet and not look

1593
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 2: downfield to make those big passes, that is not Jack

1594
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 2: Cone's game. Jack Cone is very much a pocket passer,

1595
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 2: and he's very much someone who wants to look down

1596
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 2: the field and try to hit some of those bigger plays.

1597
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 1: Now is that better?

1598
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 2: I don't know. Ian Book won more games than any

1599
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 2: other Notre Dame quarterback. It's tough to replace that. So no,

1600
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 2: I don't think Jack Cone is going to come in

1601
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 2: and be better. I'm very skeptical that.

1602
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: I almost think by the way Jack Cone and Tommy

1603
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,679
Speaker 1: Reese are like a match made in heaven. Not necessarily

1604
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: a good thing for Notre Dame. But Jack Cone was

1605
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 1: extremely accurate. Didn't really go downfield for Wisconsin because that

1606
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: was I didn't have to power run around ball control

1607
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: and you're talking about sort of the best of JTT

1608
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: during that. He's a Rose Bowl quarterback, is what he is, right,

1609
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: which is something. It's absolutely something. He protected the ball well,

1610
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: he didn't throw a ton of picks where Wisconsin. He

1611
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: wasn't asked to make difficult throws all the time. But

1612
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 1: I think you do worse.

1613
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 2: You could.

1614
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 1: You could definitely do the issue. Yeah, if the issue

1615
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: with Notre Dame is figuring out creative ways to open

1616
01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: the offense and get playmakers in space and you know,

1617
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: sort of generate easy explosion throws in the offense, that

1618
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: that to me is not where Notre Dame excelled last year.

1619
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: Even as I think Ian Book was not even just good.

1620
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: I think he was very good.

1621
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 2: It's very good.

1622
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: I talked about this last year. I think Tommy Reese

1623
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: held him back and held that offense back creatively if

1624
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: you look at even in the wins. So I just

1625
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 1: think the Jack Cone element is not necessarily going to

1626
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: be a revelation in terms of his downfield ability. No,

1627
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: and I don't think so either. And again it's there.

1628
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: There are some folks who are very optimistic about this. So, oh,

1629
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: he's going to give him a vertical threat. He's a

1630
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 1: different kind of quarterback. They can unlock the passing game, which,

1631
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: if you say, seventy fifth, ninety fifth, Wisconsin's marginal explosion.

1632
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think I think that's that takes a

1633
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 2: great deal of wishful thinking to expect that Jack Cone

1634
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 2: is going to come in and provide that kind of

1635
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 2: presence at quarterback. I've been saying for months I was

1636
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 2: really impressed with Tyler Buckner in the spring game. Maybe

1637
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:04,560
Speaker 2: we'll see him by the end of the year. I

1638
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe that represents a bad season for Notre

1639
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 2: Dame if we see if.

1640
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: If you're throwing a true freshman in there, yeah.

1641
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, there are many different ways that you can play it.

1642
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 2: Notre Dame's schedule is interesting, and they do this. They're

1643
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 2: like masters at scheduling teams that are good enough to

1644
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 2: make a bowl game and good enough to bolster their

1645
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 2: resume come playoff time. But there are any real killers here,

1646
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 2: like they drew Clemson last year. But wait, wait, wait,

1647
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 2: wait wait, Cincinnati is a killer?

1648
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 1: Really? Yes, Cincinnati was two minutes away from beating Georgia

1649
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: in a bowl game. I don't think see Daniel Georgia.

1650
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Cincinnati against Notre Dame should not. Notre Dame should

1651
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 2: handle Cincinnati. I do not view Cincinnati as a killer.

1652
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 2: I do not view Wisconsin as a.

1653
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: Killer this year. Oh I think Cincinnati is more of

1654
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: a killer than Wisconsin. Cincinnati was a top ten team.

1655
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: They weren't a cute story. This is a good Cincinnati team,

1656
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 1: a really good one.

1657
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:09,560
Speaker 2: The four toughest games in the schedule are Wisconsin, Cincinnati,

1658
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 2: USC and North Carolina. Okay, now those are good teams,

1659
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 2: no doubt, they are good teams. They're not Alabama, they're

1660
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 2: not Clemson, they're not Ohio State. Their names good at

1661
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 2: finding these teams that are in like squarely nine to

1662
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,919
Speaker 2: three territory that will help them get to the playoffs.

1663
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1664
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 2: And that's what this is. That's that's exactly what the

1665
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,879
Speaker 2: schedule is. And so it's fine. It's a tough schedule.

1666
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 2: It's certainly not going to work against them, but it's

1667
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 2: there for them, is I think my point. If they

1668
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 2: can get themselves organized, you could mount a case for

1669
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 2: another twelve zero campaign or another undefeated campaign.

1670
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,799
Speaker 1: I should say rank for me the three likeliest losses

1671
01:23:51,840 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: in order for Notre Dame, probably.

1672
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 2: USC or Wisconsin first, I would say, followed by Cincinnati,

1673
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: followed by North Carolina.

1674
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know. So Wisconsin's neutral site NFL Stadium,

1675
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 1: and they have Cincinnati the week after the week after.

1676
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 2: So here's the interesting quirk. And you may have seen

1677
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 2: this in the notes I jotted down, but all of

1678
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 2: Notre Dame's toughest games are against opponents coming off of

1679
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 2: bye weeks. Six games against teams coming off bys, So

1680
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 2: that's not a great spot for Notre Dame. Actually works

1681
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 2: out pretty well for their.

1682
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 1: Con Cincinnati coming off of a bye week before playing

1683
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,600
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Body blow theory.

1684
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 2: Wisconsin, Cincinnati is very good Cincinnati is not a killer.

1685
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 2: They're not a killer in the same sense at Ohio

1686
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 2: State's a killer. They're not even a killer in the

1687
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 2: same sense that Wisconsin's a killer. They're very good. They're

1688
01:24:58,120 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 2: a very good team. It will test Notre Dame a

1689
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 2: week at current Okay, okay, we can agree to disagree. Yeah,

1690
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 2: but I think I think this Notre Dame team is

1691
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,839
Speaker 2: constituted in a way that eight and four is probably

1692
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 2: the floor. If you want to get crazy and say

1693
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 2: undefeated season, you could do that, that you could make

1694
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 2: that case. My stances, I don't worry as much about

1695
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 2: the teams with the good offenses because I think their

1696
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 2: secondary is going to be really good. His secondary is

1697
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 2: going to be really good. I think the defense is

1698
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 2: going to be really good. But I am worried about

1699
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,560
Speaker 2: that stretch at the end of September and early October

1700
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:36,679
Speaker 2: when they've got the neutral sider against Wisconsin and they've

1701
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 2: got the Cincinnati game, and then they've got a road

1702
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 2: trip to guess Virginia Tech. Like you could see it,

1703
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 2: that may be be.

1704
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: Tho Wisconsin, Cincinnati, and USC North Carolina are both grouped together. Yeah,

1705
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: So those those four games that you identified are all

1706
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: quick succession.

1707
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 2: I just I don't look at the I don't look

1708
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 2: at the schedule and see like a gravitational team like

1709
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 2: I did last year with Clemson, and I think I

1710
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 2: think Notre Dame has advanced to a point where if

1711
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 2: those games aren't on the schedule at all, there's enough depth,

1712
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 2: there's enough talent that you could very easily mount the

1713
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 2: case for another undefeated campaign.

1714
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 1: I don't.

1715
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 2: I don't honestly believe that with Jack Cohne or whoever

1716
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 2: be in the starting quarterback.

1717
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: I think this looks like a ten and two team

1718
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 1: to me, to be honest.

1719
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think that's fair. But I just

1720
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 2: I don't look at the schedule and quiver I think

1721
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,759
Speaker 2: they're all winnable games if they can get themselves together.

1722
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1723
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 1: Man, I think Wisconsin's defense should be good. I haven't

1724
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 1: had a you know, I haven't gotten wet in that

1725
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 1: Wisconsin pond yet. But sorry, but Cincinnati coming off the

1726
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: week after that Wisconsin. I just if you're not worried

1727
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks, that's fine and it makes sense. But now

1728
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: you're talking about Jack Cone throwing into you know, having

1729
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: my Jay Sanders coming off the edge and throwing into

1730
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,759
Speaker 1: what should be another very very good Cincinnati defense. Obviously,

1731
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: there's the weird Notre Dame Cincinnati relationship with Brian Kelly

1732
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: or Markel Raymond. Did Michael Young transfer Michael Young transfer

1733
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: Cincinnata Gunnel? Like there's this weird like alpha Torre red

1734
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: Bull that's a very specific F one reference, but that

1735
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 1: like they have this weird symbiotic situation between the two schools.

1736
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: So ten chances where I'm I'm insulted as now as

1737
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: Cincinnati pseudo expert. Yeah, is there is there a problem problem?

1738
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: By the way, if that was the issue last year,

1739
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: if it was just like occasional Javon McKinley where they

1740
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 1: didn't have a breakout receiver to really scare michaels Is

1741
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,560
Speaker 1: and gravitational, is it mayor.

1742
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 2: Michael mahyor probably you know they've been talking up Kevin

1743
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 2: Austen forever and I'll believe that when I see it.

1744
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 2: Karen Williams is a problem, and Chris Tyree could be

1745
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 2: a problem depending on how they use him.

1746
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: It's just more at receiver for me.

1747
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be Michael mahyor you can't

1748
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:00,600
Speaker 2: cover him. There's nobody really going to be able to

1749
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 2: cover him, but he's not exactly a vertical threat. It's

1750
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 2: a lot so nobody on like the the Claypool Floyd Tate.

1751
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's it.

1752
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe somebody will emerge, I don't know, but

1753
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 2: not not on the surface.

1754
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:17,600
Speaker 1: You mentioned Brian Kelly's recruiting success along the line of

1755
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: scrimmage on both sides. I don't know if it's because

1756
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: of the Marcus Freeman higher but Notre Dames recruiting has

1757
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 1: been on fire right.

1758
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,799
Speaker 2: They've been incredible. They've got the number two recruiting class.

1759
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 2: I think it's next.

1760
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: Year, maybe the number two or three. Yeah, each of

1761
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 1: each of.

1762
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 2: The next two classes are just amazing.

1763
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: So I assume it's Marcus Freeman. If that's the big

1764
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: coaching change, I don't know if it was a strategic thing,

1765
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,799
Speaker 1: but really impressive, really impressive.

1766
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 2: So okay, that's that's the acc Atlantic. Please do write

1767
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 2: in sooliverblegmail dot com let us know your thoughts. But

1768
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 2: that is not where this show ends. We're doing now

1769
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 2: a bunch of marathon shows. We're all going to be

1770
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 2: short on vocal power after this because we're going to

1771
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 2: record another episode right after. This reract doesn't come out

1772
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 2: until Monday.

1773
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: But American dan AAC yeah, yeah, yeah, So we broke

1774
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: it up with the old divisions, even though the American

1775
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 1: isn't divisions anymore, and we can go through this however quickly,

1776
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: however methodically you want, I want. But so I took

1777
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 1: the former American East, which I'm pretty thrilled about because

1778
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: I get to talk about Cincinnati and u SEF which

1779
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: you gotta start with Cincinnati, all right, Cincinnati, the easy transition.

1780
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:27,879
Speaker 1: They beat everybody convincingly before the close win over Tulsa

1781
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 1: had an excellent shot against Georgia obviously lost that one late.

1782
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 1: It was a good offense that took a nice step forward.

1783
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: I know you were you very early on Desmon Ritter,

1784
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: and now he's another NFL scoutser drooling folks type of quarterback.

1785
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 2: I don't which, by the way, I don't necessarily buy

1786
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 2: into that, but continue.

1787
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 1: Okay, but you like him nonetheless, you like him as

1788
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:55,480
Speaker 1: a college dis Another situation with that notre dame association,

1789
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 1: not a clear go to receiver, which I think holds

1790
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,839
Speaker 1: them back a little bit. On offense, you know, interesting

1791
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: tight end play and receivers here and there. I know

1792
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:07,520
Speaker 1: they had injury issues, an unbelievable defense, just an unbelievable

1793
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 1: defense last year. I think as a team they're head

1794
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: and shoulders above the rest of the conference, especially because

1795
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: of that defense. Now losing Marcus Freeman, it's a big deal.

1796
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: Mike Tressol, who had a good amount of success as

1797
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 1: an assistant and coordinator at Michigan State, takes over for

1798
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 1: him and he goes back with Luke Fickel to Ohio

1799
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 1: State days. Otherwise, there's not much to complain about with

1800
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 1: Cincinnati defensively. I think offensively, the promise of a more

1801
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 1: dynamic running back in Jerome Ford. I like Ritter Ford

1802
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: as a car dealership of some kind.

1803
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 2: And using the Ford reference here, yeah, on our car

1804
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 2: theme show. By the way, Alabama trans fine body, regardless

1805
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 2: of of the make continue.

1806
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: My Jay Sanders is all American caliber at defensive end,

1807
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: just an absolute monster coming off the edge, which will

1808
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: help with I mean, they lost pieces, and of course

1809
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: those markets stream, but they lost pieces on defense. But

1810
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: when you have somebody who is that gravitational along your

1811
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 1: defensive line, you know it's a rising tide for a

1812
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,679
Speaker 1: defense that's already in a fantastic place. So the appeal

1813
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 1: is the defense has enough returning on all three levels

1814
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 1: to be scary once again, and the offense has experience

1815
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 1: and hopefully a receiver emerges. But you know, they have

1816
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 1: Indiana on the road in Notre Dame back to back,

1817
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 1: or Indiana and then Notre Dame. Right, But so that's

1818
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 1: tricky for sure. Indiana has become a much tougher team,

1819
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,679
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame should be very very tough, especially considering

1820
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 1: it's in South Bend, I believe. But they get UCF

1821
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 1: and they get Tulsa, and Tulsa has emerged in the

1822
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,759
Speaker 1: conference as well. They get both of those teams at home.

1823
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: It's a little you know, they're on the road at

1824
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 1: Navy after UCF, So there's that let down potential against

1825
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: the Navy system, which scares me a little bit. But

1826
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 1: Cincinnati has really handled things quite well these past couple

1827
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 1: of years with Luke Fickle. I mean, I think eleven

1828
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 1: and one seems realistic for Cincinnati at this point. I agree, Yeah,

1829
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:05,639
Speaker 1: I would.

1830
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 2: I would agree with that, Dan I Notre Dame is

1831
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 2: is the obvious one on here, right, Yeah, And you

1832
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 2: could debate the merits of that too. Notre Dame is

1833
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 2: not the same team it was a year ago. It's

1834
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 2: just not There's just a lot of turnover, you seef.

1835
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 2: What is UCF this year?

1836
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 1: A team with a new promising head coach who has

1837
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 1: developed quarterbacks and systems, sometimes inconsistently but sometimes with great success.

1838
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,879
Speaker 2: And you love Dylan Gabriel, right, we love Dylan Gabriel.

1839
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 2: I think you like Gabriel. We like Gus Malsan in

1840
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 2: that system.

1841
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 1: I see one of the he was Dylan Gabriel one

1842
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: of the eight best quarterbacks, six best quarterbacks in the

1843
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 1: country as of this moment.

1844
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 2: You could sell me on that.

1845
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, So probably it's a good starting point, you know.

1846
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 2: And obviously the Indiana matchup is is going to be

1847
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 2: difficult on the road. So I I think I agree

1848
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 2: with you on the one lost thing.

1849
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1850
01:32:58,320 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 2: For Cincinnati.

1851
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: The other thing with UCF and this will be an

1852
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 1: easy transition is like their their defense was nightmare bad

1853
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 1: last year. Now, new coach, new coordinators, everything new, right.

1854
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 1: They brought in a lot of transfers and from Power

1855
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 1: five schools, big time transfers, you know, big Cat Bryant,

1856
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 1: guys like that. But Cincinnati has gotten good enough where

1857
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 1: they can win in multiple ways, which I don't know

1858
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 1: how many teams in the conference can say that. So

1859
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm not especially I'm not especially worried about anybody, but

1860
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,719
Speaker 1: the you know, the pop of Dylan Gabriel, it should

1861
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 1: scare everybody.

1862
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's fair. So we're we're

1863
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 2: at eleven and one then for.

1864
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, so side, I've seen the way you drive.

1865
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 2: Sorry lawyers of the pieces. Eleven and one.

1866
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 1: That's eleven and one. Yeah, And honestly, if they need

1867
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:51,799
Speaker 1: that next step, and this is a team that obviously

1868
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: in a twelve team playoff makes the playoff last season,

1869
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: but to really take that next step against some of

1870
01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: the better teams that they could wind up playing in

1871
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 1: the post or as they do in the non conference

1872
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 1: part of their schedule with Notre Dame this year, it's

1873
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: just that, you know, the winter wonder, that problem problem

1874
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 1: out wide, developing a gravitational receiver is what right now

1875
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: is holding Cincinnati.

1876
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 2: Beck so uc F then as we transition over to them.

1877
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have that guy. They had that six and

1878
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,639
Speaker 1: four last year though, and Jalen Robinson. Yeah six and four.

1879
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 2: Last year had some close losses, but there's a lot

1880
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 2: to build around for Gus Melzon. So sure, you know,

1881
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 2: let's let's talk through what year one under Malson looks like.

1882
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's becomes interesting, and that Gus had

1883
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 1: different kinds of quarterbacks at Auburn, ranging from passing liabilities

1884
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: to more traditional dropback guys. You know, Delan Gabriel is

1885
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 1: obviously much more of a traditional dropback guy at a

1886
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 1: smaller size, but can bomb it down the field and

1887
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 1: having that number one option in Jalen Robinson certainly helps.

1888
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 1: They lose Marlon Williams, who was fantastic for them last season.

1889
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:02,640
Speaker 1: They ran the ball pretty well, but it's always going

1890
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:04,719
Speaker 1: to be a little tricky with a new coach, new system,

1891
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 1: bringing in new guys. I think GJ. Kinney, if you

1892
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,680
Speaker 1: remember his time a Tulsa quarterback, he's the coordinator at UCF.

1893
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I guess Mackenzie Milton is the huge

1894
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 1: name they lost, but they weren't counting on him the

1895
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 1: past couple of years, so or last year. I'm I'm

1896
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: pretty high on UCF. Now. The thing is with the

1897
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 1: Knights is it's a there's a lot of traffic in

1898
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:31,719
Speaker 1: this traffic report. Hold on, Hold on, Hold, on I'm sorry,

1899
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 1: continue continue a quarter a mile at a time. Continue. Sorry. Sorry.

1900
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: When I think dom, I think Gus smells on Boise.

1901
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 1: Week one, they're at Louisville and they have a buy

1902
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 1: sandwich before they go to Navy. They have Cincinnati on

1903
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:49,520
Speaker 1: the road and then Memphis back to back, and it

1904
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 1: looks like they're at SMU. The good thing is they

1905
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: missed Tulsa, and they miss you know, Tulsa's been a

1906
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 1: team that's given them a lot of trouble, and understandably

1907
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: with the defense that Tulsa has fielded, which you'll get

1908
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:02,839
Speaker 1: into next episode, it's a good thing to miss Tulsa's defense.

1909
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: So UF is in a pretty good place. I think

1910
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: they have a ceiling of ten and two if the

1911
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: defense takes a nice step forward, and the infusion of

1912
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 1: talent should help that. But it's, you know, it's first

1913
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 1: year all around. There's going to be a feel out

1914
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 1: period for the nights that you can't fully account for.

1915
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:24,600
Speaker 1: So I think UF has a chance to take that

1916
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 1: step up to average below average defense.

1917
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 2: Who are your two losses? Is it Boise? Is it

1918
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:33,520
Speaker 2: Louisville's at Cincinnati?

1919
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 1: It's Cincinnati for sure, Even though that was, you know,

1920
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 1: relatively competitive last year, and you think one of the Natti.

1921
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, at Louisville should be tough. If the offense is

1922
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 4: humming like it was, it's not a great defensive matchup. Yeah,

1923
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 4: it could be Memphis once again. I mean, is Brady

1924
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 4: White back for like his fourteenth year.

1925
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,719
Speaker 2: No he is not, is not, thankfully.

1926
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be Memphis, It could be Navy. That

1927
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 1: defense has them vulnerable. I think nine to three is

1928
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 1: probably more realistic, but you know, having Dylan Gabriel gives

1929
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 1: them a double digit win shot for sure. Otherwise, in

1930
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 1: my side, of these five teams, it's ECU, Temple and USF.

1931
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: Now the promise probably lies with South Florida just because

1932
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 1: it was Jeff Scott's first season last year and Jordan

1933
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 1: McLoud did finish well. They put up a bunch of

1934
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,639
Speaker 1: points on UCF which, again on that defense, most teams

1935
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: should put up points on ucfwy wise, But South Florida

1936
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 1: has brought in transfers, They have i think a coach

1937
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 1: in Jeff Scott who has potential and it was kind

1938
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:45,599
Speaker 1: of a nightmare taking over for Charlie Strong and where

1939
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 1: that program was, especially on offense. So South Florida has

1940
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 1: a ways to go, but of those three teams, that's

1941
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 1: where the most promise lies. Now, this is also a

1942
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 1: South Florida team that begins with NC State on the

1943
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 1: road in Florida, so all a grain assault, and then

1944
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 1: they have BYU, I believe after Florida. So it's gonna

1945
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 1: it definitely could be a team that you're like, Okay,

1946
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 1: well they're losing thirty one to twenty four, and that's fine,

1947
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:14,599
Speaker 1: but it's it's gonna take a little while. They had

1948
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: a Jaron Mangham, if you remember from a couple of

1949
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 1: years ago, made some plays for Colorado. But you know,

1950
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 1: it's is Jaron Williams gonna be okay ish. He was

1951
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 1: fine at Miami behind a bad offensive line, but it

1952
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 1: clearly didn't work out. It seems like that's his it's

1953
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 1: probably his job at South Florida. But I think there

1954
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 1: are ways away there. I mean, they have Houston and

1955
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: Cincinnati back to back games, They've got Tulsa on the schedule,

1956
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:43,679
Speaker 1: and they finish at UCF, so it's you know, it's

1957
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 1: gonna be a haul. But I honestly, I'm just looking

1958
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: for more competitive games from a team that did not

1959
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 1: play a lot of them last year with usf ECU

1960
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 1: has a defense problem. They have Holt Naylor's and is

1961
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 1: I think it's his fourth season, so they have upside offensively,

1962
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 1: but it's another situation where I just I don't know

1963
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 1: if they have the talent, I don't know if they

1964
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 1: have the wherewithal navigate their schedule in any sort of

1965
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 1: meaningful bowl ish way at Memphis and at Navy and

1966
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 1: then Cincinnati to finish out the year. So they're going

1967
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:13,720
Speaker 1: to need to score a ton of points. They open

1968
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 1: with app State. I mean, they're gonna need to score

1969
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 1: forty six points a game to have like an interesting year.

1970
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 1: And then Temple's in a I mean, Anthony Russo's gone,

1971
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 1: which is I don't know, like Temple's offense has been

1972
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 1: a nightmare. Rod Kerry has had his hands full with Temple.

1973
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what you feel good about

1974
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:33,719
Speaker 1: with Temple at.

1975
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:38,680
Speaker 2: Tempoint now, Temple is probably worse than the American.

1976
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 1: There's a case. I mean, they're probably the worst three

1977
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:46,719
Speaker 1: and nine type program right now, and there's very little

1978
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a big Dwan Mathis believer the

1979
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 1: Georgia transfer, I just I mean, he was thrown in

1980
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 1: far too early and as a good story given his

1981
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: health situation in the past. But yeah, I just don't

1982
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:03,520
Speaker 1: think the Temple offensive situation at this point is advantageous

1983
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:04,560
Speaker 1: for any quarterback.

1984
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 2: So one of the worst offenses in college football last year.

1985
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Temple schedule the traffic report. I mean, the

1986
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 1: appeal is, I guess, a relatively new coach in Rod Kerry,

1987
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 1: though he's been there for a little while, and Temple's

1988
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 1: been to bowl games, and there are expectations and there's

1989
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of investment in the program. But look,

1990
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 1: could they beat Rutgers, I guess if things bounce the

1991
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 1: right way. But Rutgers definitely has a better trajectory.

1992
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely.

1993
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 1: You know, Memphis at Cincinnati, they've UCF, you know, they

1994
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 1: finished with Houston, Tulsa, Navy. It's just tough to see it.

1995
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 1: Tough to see it for Temple after the success that

1996
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:46,040
Speaker 1: they of course had with a couple different coaches and

1997
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 1: going to bowl games. So yeah, super high on Temple.

1998
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 1: I just at this point, I do think without having

1999
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,839
Speaker 1: studied what you've studied on the other side of the conference,

2000
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: I think Cincinnati is the clear class of the conference,

2001
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 1: and UCF has the ability to any given week beat

2002
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 1: pretty much everybody in the conference if they're even if

2003
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 1: they're playing shootouts.

2004
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:13,720
Speaker 2: And I think that's right, Dan. You know, well we'll

2005
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:16,719
Speaker 2: talk Well, I know I got SMU and Houston mixed

2006
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 2: up to Texas schools, but you know, we could talk

2007
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 2: about Houston and maybe their prospects. We can certainly talk

2008
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 2: about SMU and and some of their skill talent. There's

2009
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:28,599
Speaker 2: there are things to like with many of the teams

2010
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 2: that I'm going to describe, but I don't think any

2011
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 2: of them are going to rise to the level of

2012
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 2: a UCF, of A certainly a Cincinnati. Not of the

2013
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:44,640
Speaker 2: teams also, sir, well, that's true, But I just in

2014
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 2: terms of like actually winning the conference, tough for me

2015
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 2: to find a team elsewhere.

2016
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 1: Uh, Tulsa lost by Sincy, lost two Sincy by three,

2017
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 1: lost to Mississippi State in the bowl game by two,

2018
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,840
Speaker 1: and lost to Oklahoma State and like that weird. I

2019
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 1: think that was an injury Spencer Sanders game. Uh.

2020
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 2: They they could they could have won. They could have

2021
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 2: won the American last year. They were They're not a gimmick.

2022
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 2: They run a very very stout three three five defense.

2023
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:16,599
Speaker 2: They were a legit half team last season.

2024
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 1: Offense was just something, right.

2025
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 2: Savan Collins was there? Savan Collins, Yeah, yeah, he's gone

2026
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 2: this year by the way. I know, I know he

2027
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 2: was trying to talk about that in the next show.

2028
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 2: But they're over under is the six and a half,

2029
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:33,960
Speaker 2: So answer right, number, we'll we'll talk about why I'm

2030
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,320
Speaker 2: going to bet the over there. But hurricane Okay, So look,

2031
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:41,519
Speaker 2: Mega A C C Mega A A C preview will

2032
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 2: underway here Part one now in the books. We're going

2033
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 2: to get this posted a little bit early for the

2034
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 2: folks on Patreon for everyone else, this goes out on

2035
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,640
Speaker 2: Friday at six am. Don't forget. We're also going to

2036
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 2: be launching editorial content, which you can find at sliverble

2037
01:42:57,240 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 2: dot com. So a lot of excitement we are. We're

2038
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 2: just starting to crank up this engine. Part two of

2039
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:06,800
Speaker 2: the ACC preview where we talk about the coastal Dan

2040
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:09,759
Speaker 2: that's gonna be your deal. That's gonna be on Monday,

2041
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:13,719
Speaker 2: and then I believe we follow that up on Wednesday

2042
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:15,920
Speaker 2: and Friday next week talking all things big ten. So

2043
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:21,360
Speaker 2: we're jumping right in love it, love it Okay for

2044
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 2: that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubins C.

2045
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:25,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna go grab some tea now. We're gonna make

2046
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:26,679
Speaker 2: sure we've got.

2047
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 1: Ample lubrication here.

2048
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:32,400
Speaker 2: To keep things going, and we'll be back talk more

2049
01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:37,559
Speaker 2: acc Enjoy the weekend, stay healthy, stay happy, stay solid,

2050
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 2: and uh.

2051
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 1: Pea pea peace peace peace, Yeah, peace peace.

2052
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 2: I forgot our outro. How about that