1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't a very religious guy. I may still know 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: a better religious guy. But I respect and I trust God, 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: and I think that the trusting God allowed me to 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: get the hopes, the miracle that we need. And he 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: is a proof of miracle. So I promise God that he, 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: if he is per patron, I will dedicate my career, 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: my resources, my knowledge, all what I have to get 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: back to my Memphysis. 9 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. 10 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, I'm a father, 11 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: I'm an entrepreneur, and I've been a football coach in 12 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: inner City Memphis. And that last art somehow led to 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: an oscar for the film about our team. That movie's 14 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: called Undefeated. Y'all. I believe our country's problems will never 15 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: be solved by a bunch of fancy people and nice 16 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: suits talking big words that nobody understands on CNN and Fox, 17 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: but rather by an army of normal folks, y'all. That's us, 18 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: just you and me deciding hey, I can help. That's 19 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: exactly what doctor Pedro Villesquez and his son Pedro Jr. 20 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: Have done. Junior was diagnosed with aukemia. When he's five 21 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: years old and his life was saved by Saint Jude 22 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: right here in Memphis, leading these Venezuelan natives to dedicate 23 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: their lives to the community that was there for them. 24 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: They founded lifetoc Health, which is focused on something that 25 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: isn't focused on enough, prevention, specifically the prevention of diabetes, obesity, 26 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: and hypertension among underserved folks. They serve up to one thousand, 27 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: one hundred patients every week and have helped them to 28 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: improve their health outcome so much that they've seen a 29 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: twenty seven percent reduction and the cost of care for them. 30 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: I cannot wait for you to meet the two Pedros 31 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: right after these brief messages from our general sponsors. Well, 32 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: the first time I've had two guests both named Pedro. 33 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: Welcome Pedro and Pedro. 34 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for having us. 35 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a Pedro Senior and a Pedro Junior. 36 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: We'll get to Pedro Junior in a second. Pedro Senior, 37 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: you're from Venezuela, born and raised tom How did you 38 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: grow up? 39 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: I actually grew up in Thea is part of my country. 40 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: It's an agriculture town, Monagas and the city is maturin 41 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: the state is Monaga. I come front a family of business. 42 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: I mean my father used to working bank and then 43 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: he became independent and gas station and whole oil cell 44 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: and car. 45 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: She was an entrepreneur. 46 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: Sounds like it was. It was, and they came from 47 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: very relatively low in comfamily. But they worked hard and 48 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: they they were able to give off a good education 49 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: and send us to better places. 50 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: And you grew up there and he sent you to 51 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: this little known college that nobody's ever heard of, called Harvard. 52 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: Actually I went from the university in my country, that 53 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: is University A Central of Venezuela. This is where the 54 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: main school of medicine is. So I got involved in 55 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: public health because I was probably the youngest general director 56 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: of NIH similar to here the NIH. And I get 57 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: committed there with a condition that I want to be 58 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: trained in America. So I asked the president that I 59 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: will help him. 60 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: And as the president of. 61 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: The NIH, I was the general director in Venezuela and Venezuela, 62 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: I asked if I support him, and I do. I'd 63 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: love to get the opportunity to be trained in America. 64 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: So it was like the Homer if you want to 65 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: break the standard there you need to be training here 66 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: at that time. It was so I came. I was 67 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: selected by a scholarship program that is called Last Pal 68 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: Latin American Scholarship program. That is, it was managed by Harvard, 69 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: and they gave me the opportunity to come here. And 70 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: then I stay here for training for three years, and 71 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: then I went back to my country because my whole 72 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: idea I was to develop a diabetes center in my 73 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: country that we didn't have there. 74 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: So there was no diabetes center in all of Venezuela. 75 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: There is no. There is actually there is a few clinics. 76 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: There is a well trained physician, but as a diabetes center, 77 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: as a research center, it doesn't exist up today. It 78 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: doesn't exist, all right. 79 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: So you grow up in Venezuela from kind of a 80 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: lower income family. Your father works hard. Then you go 81 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 2: to medical school in Venezuela, and then the president of 82 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 2: the National Health Organization in Venezuela says, okay, if you 83 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: want to get trained in the United States, you can go, 84 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: but you come back here and you what you learned 85 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: to help the Venezuela medical community. And you go to 86 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: Harvard of all places, did you even speak did you 87 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: speak very good English. 88 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 1: No, I didn't. Actually, it was a funny story because 89 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: most of my career was done in English. I studied 90 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: for the same book, but we read English, but I 91 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: didn't speak English. So I came to for the interview, 92 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: and then I came with my wife Astrid, and then 93 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: I was in the red line of the of the 94 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: tea and then I don't know how to talk. It 95 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: was funny because I can I read, I understand, but 96 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't able to keep a conversation. Actually she did 97 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: the conversation. 98 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,559 Speaker 2: How in the world did you go to Harvard? Could 99 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: you understand spoken English? 100 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: No? 101 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: I just came from the interview. And then they liked 102 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: what my goal was in Venezuela, and we make a 103 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: commitment so if I speak English by the time, I 104 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: will be able to get accepted in the fellowship. So 105 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: it is interested because I came in January. The fellows 106 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: were supposed to start in July, and I came in January, 107 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: and I got immerged in private with private teacher. I 108 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: went to public school in English. I went to I 109 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: did a training in technology, computing, everything that somebody in English, 110 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: so I can get the language. When I went there, 111 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: I go channels no one in Spanish. So I worked 112 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: hard to get it and I went volunteer and I 113 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: was a volunteer on the Via hospital in Jamiica planning 114 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: in Boston also to be sure that I start to 115 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: get into the system. So by July I was speaking English. 116 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Pedro Junior, Your dad is not a dumb person. 117 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: Is he? 118 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: Now? Pretty smart guy. Come from Venezuela, learned to speak 119 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: English in five months to be able to get accepted 120 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: to Harvard and does and then your your wife also 121 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 2: went to Harvard. 122 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: She did. She did a fellow also from Venezuela. Cheers 123 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: also from Chis, I mean the Chess erodiology, and she 124 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: did a fellowship in my general of head and Erodiology. 125 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: Unbelievable. 126 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: Sheers speak English. She went to the school from Kindo. 127 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: She was able to sheers speaking very good English when 128 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: she came here. 129 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: So phenomenal. What an amazing story. You and your wife 130 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: from Venezuela figure out how to get to the United States. 131 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: You both leave Harvard and go back to Venezuela as doctors, 132 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: and your dream is to start a diabetes center in 133 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: Venezuela because there may be small clinics, but there's nowhere 134 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: that really the whole country. You were going to be 135 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: on the front lines of diabetes care for your whole country. 136 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: Exactly. We have a high prevalence of diabetes. And Venezuela, 137 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: Hispanic got a high rise. And in Venezuela there was 138 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: no one at that time. It was like twenty four 139 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: million people country depopulation and there was no one single. 140 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: So how old were you when you went back to 141 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: Venezuela after Harvard to start this dream. 142 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: I came to boton In. I was thirty three years, 143 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: thirty three, I already finished my intern amazing resident I was. 144 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: I did a year of cadeology and then I went 145 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: to do I went to private practice and to be 146 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: the general director of the NIH in my country. 147 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: Okay, so young thirties, got a great education, a great 148 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: opportunity to do something extraordinary for your country. And you're 149 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: headed down that road and you do what married couples do, 150 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: and you start your family and you have the sky 151 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: of here sitting on your right Pedro Junior. 152 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: Actually it's true. I have I have four children, four children, 153 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: and with my wife and I ideally when I when 154 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: I got a scholarship. We sold one of our business 155 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 1: and we choose to invest in the education of the 156 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: whole family. So I said, I have the opportunity, but 157 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: we want to make this family project. So assuming that 158 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: I will go back right, and we did. I mean, 159 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: they have the opportunity to come to do to go 160 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: to go to school, good kin to get everybody spoke 161 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: English by the time that they came back to one country. 162 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: But it was a family project. So it turned something 163 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: that was related to a career to a family project 164 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: and it just cost me one business. 165 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: So beautiful, life is great. Great, life is great. We're 166 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: in Venezuela. You're a head of the diabetes saying you've 167 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: got at the Harvard thing, You've got your wife, you 168 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: got your family, everybody's going You're going to be great. 169 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: And then I mean, I have they to work. 170 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: I have the opportunity to work for the two major 171 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: hospital there, private hospital. And my wife called me that 172 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: that Pedro wasn't feeling well. 173 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: That how hold was paid five Pedro was five years old, 174 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: five years old and he wasn't feeling well. 175 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: He wasn't feeling well. 176 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: So well, if you're sick, it's good to have to 177 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: parents of stokers exactly so cheap. 178 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 3: Let you call off miss school very easily though the 179 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: thermometer on the light. 180 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: You You guys, the four of you didn't grow up 181 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: saying hey, I don't feel so good today. That didn't an. 182 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: Actually this is true. And and and she broke Pedro 183 00:11:55,280 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: to the clinic and the team of infect disease and 184 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: hematology came with the diagnosis of leukemia and left the 185 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: twenty four hours leukemia lukemia. 186 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: So well he went. You went from having life going 187 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: great and your five year old son to twenty four 188 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 2: hours later he has now leukemia. 189 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: Lukimi and one of the worst of lukemia that that 190 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: actually at that time he was at tease leukemia. I 191 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: ideally in my mind was let's go back to Boston 192 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: to Jimmy Foundation than a Farvard. However, my pedetrician, the 193 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: pedetrition of Pedro, have a great relationship with a guy 194 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: from Sandio that also was a Venezuela doctor, and he said, 195 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: the best statistics for the type of disease that your 196 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: song athletes hearsen you. So we were lucky because first 197 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: of all, we left everything. I left from the clinic 198 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: to Memphis. I didn't have atunity to go to pick 199 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: up anything in my house. 200 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: And you go from everything's on schedule to twenty fours 201 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: hours later going to Saint Jude and Memphis to save 202 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 2: your son's life. 203 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: It is that's it's Pedro junior. 204 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: You were five. Do you remember this? 205 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: So? I remember the green yellow that I couldn't keep down. 206 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: I remember bits and pieces of my pediatrician over there, 207 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: doctor Clinton and Clinton No, no. 208 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: It was Milton Milton. Yeah, Milton Milton. 209 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 3: Sorry. And then I remember landing in Memphis because we 210 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: were staying at the Ronald McDonald House, so we got 211 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: picked up. 212 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: The Ronald McDonald House is so that everybody listening from 213 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: across the country understands at Saint Jude not only is 214 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: at the world's foremost uh facility for pediatric cancer care, 215 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: nobody pays a single penny out of their pocket for 216 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: the care or if they're from out of the country 217 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: or wherever they're housing, nothing, say, Jude covers one of 218 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: all the expenses. And so the Ronald McDonald House is 219 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: something that obviously the McDonald's Corporation donated to Saint Jude 220 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: for housing for families and children going through care Saint Jude's. 221 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: And there was a Venezuelan family that. 222 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: Was another Venezuelan family really. 223 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: And you know, even back then, Saint Jude just connected 224 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 3: dots that people weren't really connecting. And so they had 225 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: asked the Venezuelan family to take care of us while 226 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: we got here and connected us. And so what the 227 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: first night that we landed, we went to the hospital. 228 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 3: That's when you know, I started meeting the care team, 229 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: doctor Pouey, who's still at Saint je. 230 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: Doctor Pooey is still around. Yeah, he's a fantastic guy. 231 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, he hasn't aged much and you. 232 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: Know years they need to do some research on that too. 233 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: And now a few messages from our general sponsors. But 234 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: first I got something really cool to tell you about. 235 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: We're hosting our second ever live interview. We're doing it 236 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: Memphis on November seventh with Todd Comer Nikki. This guy 237 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: is the director of one of the most thought provoking, 238 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: inspiring deep movies ever made, one of my favorites elf. 239 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: But he's also the writer of Sully and now he 240 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: is the director of Angels Studios upcoming Bonhoeffer Pastor Spy 241 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: Assassin Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a German pastor who tried to 242 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: rally the church to stop Hitler. He was involved in 243 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: Operation seven, which was an operation to smuggle Jews into 244 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: neutral Switzerland to ultimately save their life, and then he 245 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: joined the famous Valkyrie plot, which was the plot to 246 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: assassinate Hitler, and he was executed in a concentration camp 247 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: for his involvement in that. He's one of the most 248 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: epic examples of what we're looking for, an ordinary person 249 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: who lived an extraordinary life of service all the way 250 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: to the point of death. And I hope you can 251 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: join us to get inspired and meet the incredible director 252 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: that is now telling Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer's story. You can 253 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: RSVP for free tickets free tickets at bonhoefferdirector dot eventwright 254 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: dot com. That's b h O E F F E 255 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: R director dot eventwright dot com in Memphis on November seventh. 256 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: It should be a good night. We'll be right back. 257 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: So you remember these things. Were you scared? Did you? 258 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 2: Even as a five year old? Do you even comprehend 259 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: what's going on? 260 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: No? 261 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 3: Actually, I don't remember being scared often until my relapse, 262 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 3: because my parents were always very intentional about not really 263 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 3: giving the thought of death a place in my mind, 264 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 3: you know. Competitively with my brothers growing up, I wasn't 265 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 3: expecting nothing less was expected of me in school, sports 266 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: or anything like that, so we never really entertained the 267 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: idea that something else would happen, at least directly with me. 268 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 3: They had those concerns on their own and they didn't 269 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 3: really build that in Doctor Poohy, on the other hand, 270 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 3: he was very straightforward with me as a patient, even 271 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 3: as a five year old. I can remember him sort 272 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 3: of talking about risks and what the disease is and 273 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: different things, and really interesting because my parents would be 274 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 3: in the room, but then he'd also be talking to me. 275 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 2: That is another thing that's really interesting about the doctors 276 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: and the nurses and the Caro Saint Jude. They treat 277 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: these little people with so much respect that they trust 278 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: them with the truth, even though the truth. 279 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 3: Is often dire, and it's a whole thing of expectations. Right, 280 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 3: You feel sort of like a calm when you know 281 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 3: when someone can lay out what's happening and what we're 282 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 3: going to do about it. 283 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 2: So Pedro and your wife, you guys, are doctors. She's 284 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 2: a she's a radiologist. You guys are well trained doctors. 285 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: You knew your kid had leukemia. 286 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: Actually, yes, when we came to the hospital, actually they 287 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: asked many questions, and actually they when he was in 288 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: the process of placing the cat for the chemotherapy, they 289 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: allow us to go into the reparating room and he 290 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: developed cardiac address in front of him. He developed cardiac atress. 291 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: He's when blank his heart stopped. He the tumor that 292 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: he have in the chest compressed his heart and we 293 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: were just looking at so Atie and I were dying. 294 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: He was in cardiac arrouss. 295 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: She during the process of the when they were doing 296 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: the anesthesia, he and we were into the exam with 297 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: in the exam room with him and as a doctor, 298 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: as an observer, they allow us to go. Actually I 299 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: didn't ask they it was so comprehensive and they considered 300 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: our trending of value that they allow us to go. 301 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: They asked, and we wanted to support Pedro as much 302 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: as we can. And it was an experience that changed 303 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: the way that we see life. 304 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 2: Which which here we are this many years later, and 305 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: that experience that changed life has led to so much 306 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: that we're going to get to but we got to 307 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 2: set it up first and then you go through treatment. 308 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: And also it's important to see that the way that 309 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: we raise Pedro and the rest of the family, that 310 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: we have a child with cancer, the family doesn't have cancer, 311 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: so we move far from the hospital, even though we 312 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: have to community. I started to work for the University 313 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: of Tennessee and the research line. But Pedro was a 314 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: normal child. Actually, when he needs to be a slap, 315 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: he got a slap. And I remember that. 316 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 2: He mentioned to me when Pedro needed to get slapped, 317 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: he got slapped. Yeah, you may be a child with cancer, 318 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 2: but you're still going to act like. 319 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: And I have. And he needed to be competitive, and 320 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: he said to me, this is what you want me 321 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: to to, this is what you want to save me. 322 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: Right to hit me. He wanted him manipulate every single 323 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: last but it is also making him normal. He never 324 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: lost his place. And I have only boys, so very 325 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: competitive boys. 326 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: That's really profound. We have a child with cancer, but 327 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 2: our family doesn't have cancer exactly, And you're going to 328 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: operate as normally as possible. And you're not going to 329 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 2: let Pedro even use leukemia as. 330 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: An excuse and that's it. Actually, when he gets he 331 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: was a Chimney Rock at that's a that's a school autist, 332 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: and he we never allowed to have home schooling for him. 333 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: So we talked to the school and during the lunchtime 334 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: that when he was in surprise with the accounts, blood 335 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: cells and lo they allowed him to go take the 336 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: test at the school. Meanwhile, they were the other kids 337 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: were at lunch, so he wouldn't get sick. So but 338 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: would never allow him to become different than the rest 339 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: of the kids. 340 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 2: So you weren't going to allow him to be a 341 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: victim of anything. 342 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: Actually, and none. 343 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: Of my kids back when I was a student at 344 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 3: Chimney Rock. Actually it's an interesting story because we lived 345 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 3: close to it and it was maybe a half mile away, 346 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 3: and most kids would ride their bikes to school, and 347 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 3: sometimes with the chemo and radiation, I was very, very 348 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: weak to be able to do that, but they would 349 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 3: still push me get on the bike. And I didn't 350 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: really know it at the time, but my mom would 351 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: follow me in the car while my brother and I 352 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 3: were going to the school on our bicycles. 353 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: Do you realize how fortunate you are to have parents 354 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: like that that pushed. 355 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 3: You that way by any. 356 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: Followed behind you closely to make sure you really were 357 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 2: going to be okay. That is beautiful. 358 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 3: Any opportunity I have to speak about the experience while 359 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 3: we were here and while we were growing and all. 360 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 3: That definitely highlights how my parents handled the situation. 361 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: Amazing. So you get treatment and you think everything's good, 362 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: but Pedro Junior just told us and there was a relapse. 363 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: So ideally I was hoping that we want to go 364 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: back to Venezuela, to Venezuela I have, Mike Clennig, I have, 365 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: and everything would continue. But we took like four months 366 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: we went. 367 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 2: We started to you went back to Venezuela, went back today. 368 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: How long was the first treatment? 369 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: It was about two years? Two years and a. 370 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 2: Half goodness, so two years every and then the whole 371 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 2: family back to Venezuela, back to the diabetes clinic, back 372 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: to your normal. 373 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't go back. We went back to 374 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: get things ready so that meanwhile we get thinned. A 375 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: transition of four to six months. 376 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: And this for the first few months. The follow up, 377 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 3: even when you're on remission, they see you every week 378 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: and every two weeks and once a month, so it 379 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 3: wasn't an immediate plan to go back, but they were 380 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 3: getting things. 381 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: But you were already were You were in quote remission, 382 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,239 Speaker 2: and everybody was thinking, Okay, we've got past it. So 383 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 2: now you've gone back to Venezuela. Got to start back 384 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 2: where we were two years ago. Get the clinic going 385 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 2: and go. 386 00:24:54,600 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: And then I find out that he was developing a 387 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: mass and. 388 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 2: A mass were I mean and the and. 389 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: The testing wow, and it was something that that it's 390 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: relatively normal and relax It's not normal, it's expectable. It 391 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: was slow growth. But it took about forty eight hours 392 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: for me to realize that that we need to look 393 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: for something okay because the look I me that he 394 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: have made relapse in the area or in the brain 395 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: is more common. So we went back to doctor poo. 396 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: Wow, Now you had to really be scared. 397 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: Oh, we were scared. And I and I and and 398 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: this is the true and because of his experience, he 399 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: when we were at you this is something that actually 400 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: I hope that not many people can go through this, 401 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: but is he saw that he also got scared and 402 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: he asked me, now I'm going to die. 403 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: Basic who said that. 404 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to die now is my Now, I'm 405 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: going to die? 406 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 2: And you were seven then, can you remember at seven 407 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: thinking you were going to die? 408 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just him and me in the exam room, 409 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 3: and so doctor Pooley had just come in and told us. 410 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 3: And you know, initially, my first questions were so because 411 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 3: during treatment you can't play with animals, you can't get 412 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 3: in the pool because of the catheter. And so you know, 413 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: when I started asking him questions around him, I gonna 414 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: so I can't have a dog anymore, or I can't 415 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 3: play in the pool. And then he sort of got 416 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 3: into the nitty gritty of what a relapse meant. He 417 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 3: was always very straightforward, which I appreciate it, like I said, 418 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 3: And so that's when he left the room that I 419 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 3: asked my dad, if that meant that I was going 420 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 3: to die? 421 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 2: I go forget being a doctor for a second. 422 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: I never play with him. I never play a doctor 423 00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: with him. 424 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 2: I used to be a father, right, But what happens 425 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 2: when you're seven year old who's already been through two 426 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 2: years of chemotherapy? Did you lose your hair and all that? 427 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: Not the first time around? 428 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 2: Okay, but I've been through two years of chemotherapy. And 429 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: then he looks at you with his eyes your son 430 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: and says, am I going to die? 431 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: Huh? 432 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: What do you say? 433 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: I think that Pedro and I have great communication. Probably 434 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: one of my role is that most of the chemotherapy 435 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: here and I've worked together and we develop and a 436 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: strong bound. So I think that my my reaction was 437 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: to tell the truth. I will do what is what 438 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: I need to do. I don't think that we need 439 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: to be optimistic. We need to share that you're going 440 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: to get the best treatment. Actually, doctor Poet approached me 441 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: and said, what do you think we need to change 442 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: the treatment? I agree that he relapsed so fast that 443 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: you probably need You are entitled to change, doctor, And 444 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: my reaction was, we've been trusting you. I trust you. 445 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: I don't think that anybody in the world would provide 446 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: better care than you. We want to go back together 447 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: to this. So with Pedro, I thought, I thought. I 448 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: tried to present him at realistic point of view and 449 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: with hope that we're going to be fighting and this 450 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: time we want to get it better. From myself, I 451 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: was harder that I expressed to Pedro, and I try 452 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: to talk. I talked to God and I this is 453 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: as I said, because I wasn't a very religious guy. 454 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: IM still know a better religious guy, but on respect 455 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: and I trust God. And I think that trusting God 456 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: allowed me to get the hopes the miracle that we need. 457 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: And he is a proof of miracle. So I promised 458 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: God that he if he is per petron, I will 459 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: dedicate my career, my resources, my knowledge, all what I 460 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: have to get back to Memphis and. 461 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: To get back to Memphis. 462 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: Memphis. Why Memphis, Because Memphis has been the play that 463 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: gave off hope in the moment that we didn't have 464 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: to money too much. Memphis was the play that I 465 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: realized that there was opportunity for us to help people. 466 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: Memphis also we have the experience to see poor people 467 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: helping us. But also when we were in Ronald McDonald, 468 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: we saw several ceo of the company cooking burger for 469 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: us with passion. This giving that I got from here 470 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: established some type of commitment that has been probably the 471 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: driver of our family and all the things that we do. 472 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: If you go to my house, you will see a 473 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: commissioned art that says Memphis is magic, and I have 474 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: for all having magic and is everything that we are 475 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: thankful for being a metory. 476 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: So your son relapses, He's already been two years of 477 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 2: Saint Jude, and you make a deal with God, if 478 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 2: you spare my son everything I've learned and everything I 479 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: know and everything I do from this point forward, I 480 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: will spend my entire life giving back to the. 481 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: City, my money, whatever I need to do. And this 482 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: is what I've been doing since Pedro has been killed. 483 00:30:54,880 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 2: We will be right back. So Pedro was scared because 484 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 2: you're here, there's not a ghost talking on the other mic. 485 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: How many? So how long? How much longer was the treatment? 486 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 3: Like a year and a half? 487 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 2: Another year and a half. Yeah, So from five until 488 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: about the age of ten, you were in and out 489 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: of Saint Jude being treated for leukemia. 490 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: Last chemotherapy was in February twenty second, nineteen ninety, two 491 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: thousand and one, two thousand and what wow. And then 492 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: it becomes the second birthday for Pedro, so it becomes 493 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: what the second birthday, the second birthday, so we celebrate 494 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: his second birthday everything but year that is phenomenal. 495 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: How much do you think his care cost? 496 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 3: He knows the numbers around two million dollars two Yeah, 497 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 3: they average for years four hundred thousand a year, and 498 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 3: you know we didn't have to put a dollar towards that. 499 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 3: And that's just care. That doesn't include housing and all 500 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 3: the other things that memphis answying to did. And I 501 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 3: say Memphis because you know, even when we landed, we 502 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 3: like the first sofas and cooking utensils was donated by 503 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 3: a church here. We were given the opportunity to sort 504 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 3: of for my dad to study to do his UH 505 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 3: licensing here, for my mom to take care of us 506 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 3: and raise us. 507 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, because even though you were trained in Harvard, you 508 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 2: were licensed in Venezuela. So when you first came back 509 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 2: to the States, you couldn't even practice medicine. You had 510 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 2: to get re license. A little bit complex than that. 511 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: What's it's a little bit more complex than that. I 512 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: came here with a JAY one visit training J one. 513 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 2: You cannot apply to a job here until you spent 514 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: two years serving your country. Oh so I couldn't. 515 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: I have to apply for a wib okay, I couldn't work, 516 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't apply to anything until I served my country 517 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: for two years. And he relapsed when I was there 518 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: six months. So it went a rough process because I 519 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: need to apply for a weiber. I paid the scholarship 520 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: totally back in full. I start to do. 521 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 2: You had to pay Venezuela back for your scholarship. 522 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: So in order for me to get my wiber. 523 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 2: To be able to then practice medicine here in America, 524 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: and this is a Harvard trade at the University of Tennessee, 525 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 2: would your wife have to have the same thing. 526 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: No, my wife wasn't. She didn't. She wasn't in a scholarship. 527 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: Okay, So but you had to pay back Venezuela. 528 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: I pay back and ordered as a part of the 529 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: requirement in order for them to give me the wiver 530 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: to apply for a job before the two years of 531 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: serving my country. 532 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 2: While your son is being treated for cancer. So what 533 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 2: are you doing in the meantime, your research assistant? 534 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: I initially, initially I did. We were organizing the family. Actually, 535 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: Pedro and I and my wife left when I Pedro 536 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: got sick. My wife, you're delivery a baby, five weeks baby, 537 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: so we left with the family and Pedro, my wife 538 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: and I came here. Initially I couldn't work. I organized things. 539 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: I tried to get things straight on how we organized. 540 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: I flew at the end of May to pick the 541 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: rest of the family to bring to reunite the family. 542 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: And then I applied for that research position at ut 543 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: I think that youut one of the doctors god the 544 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: Wanner a grant being in pediatric. They got a grant 545 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: for adult obesity. They didn't have too much experience and 546 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: saying a doll in the crinology. So I work was 547 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: hired as a research assistant. 548 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: A research What did I pay fifteen. 549 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: Forty four thousand dollars. 550 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 2: Forty four thousand. 551 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: Dollars this is the only thing that they pay and 552 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: I did four thousand dollars for and I accepted with 553 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 1: a condition, with a few conditions, So first of all 554 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: the visa working visa faculty position, and the third one 555 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: I had that if they like my work, I will 556 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: I will double my salary next year basic results. So 557 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: I took it, and I doubled my salary, and I 558 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: got my facult upon it, and we went from there. 559 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 2: So what you're saying is Pedro Junior, not just Memphis 560 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 2: and Saint Jude, but everything from utensils, couches to actually 561 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 2: an opportunity to job, to then get licensed to be 562 00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 2: everything we have. 563 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: We all a beautiful penkhouse in my country and we 564 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: just took cards. Everything was from New England and take 565 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: out in forty eight hours. I learned there that we 566 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: can go from one place to another when the health 567 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: is compromise. So part of my commitment with God that 568 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to go through the row and I will 569 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: accept this. I will take any commitment to show, to 570 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: demonstrate that I'm willing to do whatever. 571 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 2: And this is all because of a deal you made 572 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: that if you spare my son, I will be another. 573 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: The It's acret Hard Church in Cleveland gave me some cobs, 574 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: some furniture. Something I didn't want to expend extra because 575 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know how long it will take for me 576 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: to find a job. So I took it. I use it, 577 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: and then we start to find what we're going to 578 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: do to provide the family similar and similar environment like 579 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 1: they will have in my country. 580 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 3: Wow, and it was it was to add an added 581 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,439 Speaker 3: layer of challenge and everything. You know, It's interesting because 582 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 3: a lot of people see these challenges and they say 583 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 3: wow and everything, and then when you're living it in 584 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 3: the moment, you're just sort of making decisions that are 585 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 3: in the best interest of the family. You know, for 586 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 3: a couple of years it was one car while he's 587 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,959 Speaker 3: working downtown where in school in Cordova. So my mom 588 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 3: takes him to downtown, comes back, drops us off, picks 589 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 3: us up, goes to pick them up like that was 590 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 3: like a mindset that was leading towards that better life. 591 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 3: Well she was raising us and he was working towards 592 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 3: that that. You know, it's really really impactful to look 593 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 3: back on, I guess and reflect. 594 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 2: And to hear your story. How many kids are in 595 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 2: Saint Jude right now being treated? How many patients do 596 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 2: they handle at once? 597 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 3: A few thousand? 598 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 2: You know, they still consider that this is this is 599 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 2: one story times two thousand, every single moment, every single hour, 600 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 2: and every single day of the week happening right now 601 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 2: as we. 602 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: Speak, probably more when we were there. That they have 603 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: four thousand kids, four thousand now by five bigger. 604 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 3: But the interesting thing is that Saint Jude is Saint 605 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 3: Jude's impact is so much more than the lives they save. 606 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 3: Like their whole model of care is find out what 607 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 3: works and share it with the world. 608 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 2: So they're not only not only are they the paramount 609 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,240 Speaker 2: in pediatric cancer care, not only do they do things 610 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 2: nobody else thought could ever be done. And not only 611 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 2: do they spend millions on research to figure out what works. 612 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 2: When they do get answers, they don't hoard them. They 613 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 2: don't say come here, we're the only ones. They literally, 614 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 2: at no cost give it to any practitioner in the world. 615 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 3: Not just give it, but they have a whole unit 616 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 3: to train them to continue in research in other countries 617 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 3: and then just implement like people dedicated to implementing these 618 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 3: things through other hospitals across the world. 619 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 2: Which interestingly is enothos that you guys have taken into 620 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 2: your work these days, which we'll get to. But first, 621 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 2: how were you when you were finally cleared? It was 622 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 2: two thousand and. 623 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 3: One, so I was ten years your second birthday February 624 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 3: twenty second. 625 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 2: Two twenty two oh one. And how old were you 626 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 2: then ten years old? About you are now thirty four? 627 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 3: I'm now thirty three, thirty three? 628 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, first, all you know, I don't even know 629 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 2: what words to use, but I don't Congratulations seems like 630 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 2: something you say at graduation, not about somebody's life. 631 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 3: But it's a lot of luck and hard work. I 632 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,280 Speaker 3: guess on my parents and you know, it was interesting 633 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:25,439 Speaker 3: because even growing up, you know, I probably remember more 634 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,959 Speaker 3: friends that didn't make it than ones that did. 635 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,760 Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow wowow. 636 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 3: One friend that he he was the only one of 637 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 3: three kids with the same cancer that survived and he 638 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 3: just had his first son, even though they told him 639 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,919 Speaker 3: he couldn't have kids. So again, the impact Saint Jude 640 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 3: has on the people that survive is just insane. 641 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 2: How many kids that had the same thing you did 642 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 2: survived first didn't back then. 643 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 3: That's a good question that I wish I could I 644 00:40:59,280 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 3: could answer. 645 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: I mean, the effect giving yourself sen you was above 646 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: the eighty percent eighty about the eighty percent, which. 647 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 2: Is phenomenal because fifty years ago it was probably a. 648 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,720 Speaker 3: Survival, right, it was four four They took four percent 649 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 3: of kids that had what you had died before Saint Jude. 650 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 3: It was a four percent. 651 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 2: Survival, right, and now it's eighty. 652 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 3: Ninety six invers you. 653 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 2: Were kidding me, Yeah, I mean, I am so proud 654 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 2: of being a native Memphian, and as such, I am 655 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 2: so proud of Saint Jude and Lisa and I always 656 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 2: give to Saint Jude and everything else. But I didn't 657 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,760 Speaker 2: even know that you're telling me, before Saint Jude, kids 658 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 2: that had what you had, four out of one hundred 659 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 2: lived two out of fifty one out of twenty five, 660 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 2: and now you're saying, twenty four out of twenty five 661 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 2: live because of the work Saint Jude does, and you 662 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 2: are part of that legacy, and your wife it's part 663 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 2: of that legacy. 664 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 1: And this is where the commitment comes. 665 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 3: There is a lot of it that comes from the 666 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 3: idea that you know, because so many people invested, because 667 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,919 Speaker 3: so many people made it happen, because of all the 668 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,800 Speaker 3: different pieces that it took for people that survived to 669 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 3: still be here. I guess that's a lot of what 670 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 3: makes it where you know, most survivors want their life 671 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 3: to mean something, and they wanted to accomplish something that 672 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 3: made the investment worth it. 673 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 2: And so do you feel like you do you feel 674 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 2: like you owe back to the world what the world 675 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 2: gave you. 676 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd say, oh, but I do 677 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 3: think I I feel committed. You know, I don't feel 678 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,879 Speaker 3: it like a debt that I have to do, but 679 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 3: more so than I. 680 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,320 Speaker 2: Want that would be a proove. So my words are bad, 681 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 2: but you're saying it gives you a commitment to the world. 682 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 3: And to myself. You know, you you sort of strive 683 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 3: for life in any way. You know when I'm not. 684 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 3: You know that the phrasing of work hard, play hard 685 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 3: is very true. You know, you want to live life, 686 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 3: you want to work, you want to do great things 687 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 3: personally professionally, and that means different things to different people, 688 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 3: but it seems to be the consensus with most of 689 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 3: the people that I still have relationships. 690 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 1: It's interesting that this is so true that the ideally 691 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: when we were developing the model, to make these model 692 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: not competitives, I mean self sustained, so it shouldn't be 693 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: put in competing against church and christ community. How we 694 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 1: can make this to the outside that age situation word 695 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,760 Speaker 1: like the business situation worked really hard and then become harder. 696 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: And at some point we also we were serving a 697 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: community that we focus in minorities, underserved community. 698 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 2: Well, we got to get to that. 699 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 1: But it's important that when I said we want to 700 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: switch the payers at some point he was already doing 701 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: the internship with me, and he said, we said we 702 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: need something because we don't get paid. It's hard to 703 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: work with the population. And he said, you may be you. 704 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: It may be a good business issue, but I will 705 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,800 Speaker 1: go and work for somebody else that will serve this community. 706 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 2: And that concludes Part one of my conversation with the 707 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 2: two Pedros, and you do not want to miss Part 708 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 2: two that's now available to listen to as we're about 709 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 2: to get into the story of lifetock Health. Together, guys, 710 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 2: we can change this country, but it starts with you. 711 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 2: I'll see in Part two.