1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: with our radio. This is a very special episode. This 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: is a very, very very special episode. We have Jared 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: here as a co host. Yes, hello Jared. I love 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: it when Jared's here. Guys, thank you. Let's get to 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: the real meat of the podcast. Ashley is here, and 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: we're here today to celebrate our mothers, the mothers that 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: we love, the mothers that I think I can speak 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: on behalf of all of us very quickly here and 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: say that we've been very lucky to all been gifted 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: and blessed with mothers that we love, admire and look 12 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: up to and that we're very thankful for. And so 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: today we're just honoring them with this episode. This is 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: a very special episode for all of us. Especially I 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: have a whole new appreciation for moms, of course, because 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: now I am one, and I know how hard of 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: work it is. Wow it neverse stops. I now understand 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: why people say it's the hardest job in the world. 19 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: We have one child and it's overwhelming. Of course, it 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: is beautiful and loving and amazing, and I'm obsessed with him. 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: And look at that facey right there, like it's amazing. Yeah, 22 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: I mean we love him more than anything. I mean, 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: this is about mothers, so you love him more than anything. 24 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: I can see that, and it's I posted about it 25 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: recently about like me viewing the love you have for 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: Dawson through my eyes like his father's eyes, you know, 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: and seeing it's and we talked about it earlier. Not 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: everybody's you know, lucky enough to have parents in their lives, 29 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: to have mothers in their lives, and so to see 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: the way that you treat Dawson at such a young 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: age and being new, being such a new mother but 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: already being such an incredible mother is pretty awesome. And 33 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: it's I think, you know, like every parent has that 34 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: moment when their child is born. They're like, I don't 35 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: know what the hell I'm doing. Everybody thinks that they 36 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: don't and like nobody knows what they're doing. Am I 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: going to be a good parent? And seeing how Ashley, Uh, 38 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: it's just instinctually a great parent just because you love it. 39 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: But you too, well, this is about mother's Father's day. 40 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: Will do this. You can praise the hell out of 41 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: me on fathers, but yeah, it's it's not easy though. 42 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: I see what Ashley goes through there's a certain thing 43 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: that you have with Dawson that I don't have. That's 44 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: where Well, it's just it's not he came out of 45 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: your stomach, you know, came out of my stomach. Well 46 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: I was gonna say he came out of your vagina. Okay, 47 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: I don't know how PG. Thirteen we're getting here is 48 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: the vagina Pg. Thirteen, PG. I think that this is 49 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: probably in this circumstance, it's PG. Yeah, it's it's just 50 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: it's biology. Guys. Well, um, we do have a big 51 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: episode in front of us. I want to take a 52 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: second here and give a shout out to Pandora Jewelry. 53 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: You know, we can talk and share and praise our 54 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: mothers and praise all the mothers out there listening, and 55 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: all the future mothers out there, and all the people 56 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: that hope to be mothers or that are, um let's 57 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: call them mentors and guiders and um maybe their next 58 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: door neighbors live, or their nieces and nephews lives. There's 59 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: so many people out there, um, who have a huge 60 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: impact on the kids of this world, and we can 61 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: we can praise them with words, but it's oftentimes UM 62 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: really special when you do something intentional like get them 63 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: a gift. And Pandora Jewelry recognizes that and that's why 64 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: they're sponsoring this episode today to highlight people that are 65 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: mothers on this very special day and we want to 66 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: thank them for doing that. We want to thank them 67 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: for the gifts that were sent for our mothers. Uh. 68 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: It helps us show some extra love on this day 69 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: as well. Thank you, because I didn't anything for my mom. Yeah, 70 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: I mean I did, now, thank you Pandora. Um, you 71 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: don't tell her that. We're just gonna tell her that 72 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: you got her something very special. Um. Right, Hey, let's 73 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: take a break here. When we come back, we're gonna 74 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: start bringing in our moms to this podcast. Before we 75 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: do get our moms on, I just wanted to say 76 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: a couple of things. It's gonna be so it's gonna 77 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: seem really weird and random, but I feel like you 78 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: would totally be thinking the same thing. I never, like 79 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: when I worried about my family and stuff, but like 80 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: I was away, you know, I always like worried about 81 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: my family, but I never worried about like how I am, 82 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: like my safety or my health or your parents think 83 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: about your safety. Yeah, but I think about me being 84 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: like safe and healthy for him so that he has me. Yeah, 85 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: I agree, right. I never used to be concerned about myself. 86 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: I was always concerned about like me having my family, 87 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: but like not me like my own well being. But 88 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: now I actually worry about my well being because it 89 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: has to do with his. Yeah. And then I also 90 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: just want to say that we're thinking about like all 91 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: the people out there that want to be moms, that 92 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: can't be moms or having trouble being moms. We under 93 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: you know, we understand just like how emotional that is, 94 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: especially on days like today. Okay, I think Ben's mom 95 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: is coming in first if um, yeah, so like what 96 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: are we gonna do what we can to talk about 97 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: guys with the mom? Should we like have the person 98 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: whose mom it's not asked that other mom questions? Like 99 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic, So Jared and I should ask 100 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: Ben's mom questions. Okay, without further ado, here is Amy Higgins, 101 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: the mother of me, who I love so much. I 102 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: love my mother so much, not myself so much, but 103 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: I love her. She's coming on right now. Hi. Congratulations 104 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: to you too, Thank you. I wish we can show 105 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: you him right now. He's so asleep in his swea. 106 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: Do we look like new parents? You have the same disheveled, 107 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: tired you look at all. Oh yeah, but you've also 108 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: been battling your little not feeling so well. So all 109 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: of that on top of each other. It's been a 110 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: little trifector. But anyway, let's not talk about us about you. Well, 111 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: first of all, how are you? I'm great Mother's Day? 112 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, I thank you. I got an 113 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: urgent question, dared, all right, I got one of you, Amy. 114 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: Your son was coined as the perfect bet? How does 115 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: that feel raising somebody that was in the pop culture 116 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: sphere referred to as perfect? And like, what did you 117 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: do right? What did you do so right to create 118 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: that human? Uh? Well, you know every mom thinks their 119 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: child is perfect, So yeah, in some senses, it's spot on. Um. 120 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: I think having one helped too. I he got my 121 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: all of my attention, which I don't know if he 122 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: found that to be necessarily the best, but um, and 123 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: he's also just a great kid. You know. He was 124 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: the kind of kid like he was the person today. 125 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: He was always so inquisitive and and asked a lot 126 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: of great questions and just wanted to know a lot 127 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: need a lot of people, so you need it pretty 128 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: easy to to raise a pretty solid kid. What's the 129 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: what's the most embarrassing thing Ben has ever done? Oh, 130 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: the most embarrassing, like the worst thing he's done. If 131 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: you can't think of something that's embarrassing, like we're one 132 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: time he got big trouble when he wasn't perfect. I 133 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: think probably, even though I didn't get to witness it, 134 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: I think one of the most embarrassing things maybe for him, 135 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: and that one of the funniest things for me to 136 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: hear is the story is when is that the y 137 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: And he was on a treadmill and and uh, I 138 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: was running along and I don't know, got caught in 139 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: the treadmill and like a cartoon characting right lifting right 140 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: off the back end of it right there. Oh wait 141 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: a minute, you fell the treadmill and then you then 142 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: you fell in the wall. And here's the best part. 143 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: I had a Higgins basketball jersey on, so that Higgins 144 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: was on the back of the back of my shirt, 145 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: so everybody knew who it was. There was no hiding. 146 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: I actually thought, um, she was gonna say that, you 147 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: know my very and this is actually sad and it 148 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: all worked out. But my very first car accident was 149 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: sixteen years old. First it's actually I think my only one. 150 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: I've never been in another. Cross my fingers, knock on wood. Um, 151 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,599 Speaker 1: I was with my buddies early in the morning. We 152 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: were heading to like McDonald's or something to get um breakfast, 153 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: and I was distracted and I rear ended um a 154 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: lady pulling to the y m c A. That's why 155 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: I thought she was gonna say this. This is probably 156 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: the most trouble I should have gotten in. But I 157 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: think I was felt so bad myself that the lesson 158 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: was already learned. So that's not the end of the story. Um. 159 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: What happened was she unford like she was on her 160 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: way to the hospital to have her child. And so 161 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: this is a really scary moment for us. Everybody was healthy, 162 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: everybody was good. But you can imagine how much guilt 163 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: I felt in that moment, and how much like fear 164 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: I had in that moment. She was in labor and 165 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: you hit her, well, she was in labor. I mean, 166 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. She was picking up her mom at 167 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: the why to bring her to the hospital. She was pregnant, 168 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: you rear ended her, then she went into labor. Yeah, 169 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: so super scary moment for so many people. Like as 170 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: a teenager, you're really scared. You're like, you know, you've 171 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: learned your lesson already on being distracted, Like that's not 172 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: a thing I'm gonna do again. But here's where the 173 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: story maybe gets like embarrassing for me. Um The cops come, uh, 174 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, they're questioning me, like what how this happened? 175 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: And I'm telling them and they're like, okay, um, we 176 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: need to serve your car, and I'm like okay, And 177 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: they poppleed my trunk and the night before, my buddies 178 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: and I had gone out teeping, and so there was 179 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: like a hundred rolls of toilet paper like bounding out 180 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: of my trunk when they opened it up. Um. So 181 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: the most Indiana thing I've ever heard about. Yeah, so 182 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: that's what I thought she was gonna say. I'm sure 183 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: she was hesitant this year too much, um, But that 184 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: was that was what comes to mind for me, is 185 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: where I think everybody was the most disappointed in me. 186 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: Um Amy, what's the best age for Like, you know 187 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people say what's the worst age? I'm curious. 188 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: You know, you've you you have a wonderful son. Uh 189 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: he's in his uh early thirties. Now, Uh, what do 190 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: you think the best age? Because I'm curious. You know, 191 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: we have Dawson right now. He's credible as as a 192 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: as a baby. I'm curious with you know, hopefully, knock 193 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: on wood, we're all healthy and you know, alive in 194 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: twenty five years when he's an adult, and I'm curious, 195 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: like how much the relationship is going to change. Um, 196 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: I really feel like for me, even though it kind 197 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: of was some of the hardest too, but some of 198 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: the best. I really liked the sixth grade through freshman 199 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: year um age. You know, he was growing so fast, 200 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: there was so many things to be involved in. He 201 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: was really enjoying kind of his independence. Um. We did 202 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: a lot of really cool things together as a family, uh, 203 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, with vacations and sports, and you know, it 204 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: was it was just to me that was a really 205 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: kind of really alive and fun time he started to 206 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: really see the person that it was evolving and been. Um, 207 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: even though I seriously am loving the adult man stage. Um, 208 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of a weird thing. At time of being 209 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: a mom too, and then I just had this kind 210 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: of really cool conversation about that much long ago. But 211 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: I would say the most fun time was for me 212 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: the like sixth grade through freshman year. That's when my 213 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: dad started really appreciating having us around. I think it's 214 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: probably because you can start having adult conversations with the kids, 215 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: but at the same time, there's still kids enough where 216 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about the making stupid teenager mistakes. Sure, yeah, 217 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: I agree. I guess my last question for you is, 218 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: as a fantastic mother who has raised the perfect Ben, 219 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: what are some tips that you have for Jared and 220 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: I in parenting Dawson that maybe isn't stereotypical, like the 221 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: things we wouldn't really think about. Um, well, I feel like, uh, 222 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: maybe it happened on accident, but I also feel like 223 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: it was a good thing. Um from the time that 224 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: Ben was a toddler all the way up through today, 225 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: I feel like, and you can ask him to verify this, 226 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: but I really felt like I was pretty good about 227 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: giving been the opportunity to make decisions for himself. Um, 228 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, right down to just you know what, stupid 229 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: T shirt he put on a combination closed or what 230 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: breakfast serially picked, you know. Um, and some of it 231 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: was not always great, you know, but I I don't 232 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: think I was ever much of a helicopter mom or 233 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: two two opinionated and when he decided to make choices, 234 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: you know, unless it was just going to be really damaging. 235 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, uh, but I really feel 236 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: like that is one of the best things you can 237 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: do for your kids. I did not grow up really 238 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: feeling like I and it was kind of just the 239 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: time of the era that I grew up in. I 240 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: didn't make or even have the opportunity to make many 241 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: decisions on my own. It was there was a lot 242 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: of expectations or things were just pretty nor there was 243 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: a lot of norms to that. But I think now 244 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: it's just really really good to develop in your children 245 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: the ability to just make voices for themselves. I just 246 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: want to briefly follow up on that, because that's the 247 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: type of parent that I think both Ashley and I 248 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: want to be. I think one thing that concerns me 249 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: is how are we going to, like really in the moment, 250 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: do it, like let Dawson make his own decision, even 251 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: though we know it might not be the best decision, 252 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: if that makes sense, because we love them so much, Like, 253 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: of course we want to be the parents that like, yeah, 254 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: go go to the playground, come back at six, dinners 255 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: at six, like you know what I mean. I'm just 256 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: say now he's allowed to do that. He is allowed 257 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: to choose the breakfast a serial he wants, or a 258 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: stupid outfit. Well, we'll find that out. Yeah, there's I'm 259 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: sure there's also, like you know, more serious decisions that 260 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: Amy's getting at. Well, Jared and I are really concerned 261 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: because we were both like very well behaved kids by nature. 262 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if his nature or sure. All I 263 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: know is my sister and I are totally different when 264 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: it comes to our young adulthood and the decisions that 265 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: we made. So in my case, I feel like it 266 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: might be nature. Jared, just like they're both of us 267 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: just really good kids, like the kids that you like, 268 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: wish that you'd have. And I get scared that we're 269 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: going to have a rebel child and don't know how 270 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: to deal with that. How did you? How are you 271 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: able to come to that point where like, even though 272 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: I love you more than anything, and I want you 273 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: to make what I think is the right decision. I'm 274 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: going to let you decide on your own and then 275 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, live with you the consequences or the positive ramifications. Well, 276 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: I think, Um, a lot of it just comes through practice. 277 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: Like you know, you start that says when they're young, 278 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: and so as they get older, you know, it gets 279 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: a little easier also too, I really feel like, UM, 280 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: I hope that then always felt like if he made it, 281 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: ever was making a decision or in a situation where 282 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: he wasn't in a good place or there was an issue, 283 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: that he felt like it was safe for him to 284 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: call home. Okay, Jared free parents and my parents definitely 285 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: did the same thing. I think Jared's especially not that 286 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: he always did. But I think you also have to 287 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: make it very comfortable for your children. Are very there 288 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: must needs to be a real security and them knowing 289 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: that if they ever made that phone call, it was 290 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: safe for them to do that. I think she's I 291 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: was actually thinking about this. There's many things. There's many things, um, 292 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: obviously that we've talked about a hundred times on here. Um. Actually, 293 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: you and I especially on what we love and appreciate 294 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: admire about our parents so that you could go on 295 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: and on. But I think I was like, what's the 296 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: one unique thing it's funny to you ask that question 297 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: that my parents did and we did just talk about 298 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: it was I never I think there's a level of 299 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: respect to it that I felt. But I I had 300 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: the ability to question, like, why are you telling me 301 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: to clean my room three times in one week? Is 302 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: it not my fault that my room's dirty and that 303 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: I want to live in filth? And they would say yeah, 304 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: but and we would have a conversation that was very 305 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: open um and I never felt like I couldn't ask 306 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: a question. I never felt like my questions needed to 307 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: become arguments because I felt like, hey, I've already been 308 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: given the respect to ask a question. There's no reason 309 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: to like jump on them for every decision that they 310 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: tell me to make. And so I do. I think 311 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 1: what the thing my parents did was they implemented a 312 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: sense of curiosity in this world and me that I 313 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: greatly appreciate. Um, I don't think it was easy. It's 314 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: not easy for your kid to like go out and 315 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: hang out with the wrong people and you know, go 316 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: out on a Saturday night and they don't really know 317 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: where you're going, but like then I would always have 318 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: the ability to tell them and talk to him about it, 319 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: or like be like, hey, the last night was weird. 320 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: I ran into some odd stuff. Let's talk about it. 321 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: So just that openness is something that um, I think 322 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: was not easy, but it was really healthy and I 323 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: think it's been even healthier as I've gotten older. Yeah, well, mother, 324 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: I love you a ton. Thank you so much for 325 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: coming on. Happy Mother's Day again. Enjoy Florida. You look 326 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: really tan, soaking in. I love you. Thanks for coming on. 327 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: It's my pleasure. It's all right. Well, it's my mom's turn, 328 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: and she's been dreading this because she has some serious 329 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: stage fright, even though she's just really talking to you too. 330 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: And Jared is her son in law. And Ben my 331 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: mom has said before she feels very comfortable with you. 332 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: There's something about you that puts her at ease. I 333 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: love your mom. I don't know why she's nervous. Maybe 334 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: we should make you're nervous. Let's make your nervous. Well, 335 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: you should be looking in yourself. I'm her son in law. Okay, 336 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: So I'm going to do the opposite of making her nervous. 337 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: So Ben, this is all on you to ask the 338 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: tough questions. I'm literally gonna be like, hey, Audrey's great. 339 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: There she is. Welcome to the podcast. Mom so happy 340 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: to be here. Yes, I know you're absolutely thrilled. All right, Well, 341 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: we're doing this thing where we're gonna let the other 342 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 1: two interview the mom who's not ours. So these two 343 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: are going to be asking the questions. Yeah, and and 344 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: you're kind of I mean, you are Jared's mother now, 345 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: like your mother in law, and so I'm I'm gonna 346 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: guide us through this. Jared's gonna chime in with some 347 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: great questions about Ashley that I'm sure he's asked you 348 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: to do for or if he hasn't, now is the 349 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: time to do it. But again, thank you for joining us. 350 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: You're always great. I'm happy you're here. Thanks man to 351 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: look for young. By the way, my mom was very young. 352 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: Well she's very tan right now, so she has that 353 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: going for It's a it's a very special day for 354 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 1: us because as you know, I don't think there's ever 355 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: a question in your mind. And and I want you 356 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: to respond to this with your thoughts. But I guess 357 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: i'll phrase in a question. How big of a gift 358 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: is it, Audrey, for you to know just how much 359 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: you're loved by your daughters like that you don't doubt 360 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: their love for you. Wow. Okay, Well, um, we have 361 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: a really good relationship. We're very close and I'm very 362 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: blessed that we are, you know, a very close family. 363 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have that growing up. So I think that 364 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, either you repeat right or you go the 365 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: opposite way. Either you act like you know, you do 366 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: exactly the way that you were raised with your children, 367 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: or you decide, you know, we're gonna make some changes. 368 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: So I think that that's probably why I spoil them. 369 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: And I'm the mother that I am because you know, 370 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: I didn't have all that growing up. What what are 371 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: the things that you do that you chose to do, um, 372 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: maybe differently or that you just chose to do so 373 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: that that relationship was always there, um with your with 374 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: your daughters. I think we spent a lot of time together, 375 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: you know. Um, well right now, you know, living in 376 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: Rhode Island. Um, it's hard because they're they're not living 377 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: in this area. But you know we talk once through 378 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: twice a day text. Um, you know, twice a day dirts, 379 00:21:54,119 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: like your mom's calling, am I get. I get to 380 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: elaborate a little bit more on examples for my mom, 381 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: because my mom, you know, she gets stayed right. There's 382 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: just like a few things I'm thinking, Like when I 383 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: was younger, we'd go home, should be home, We'd watch 384 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: Dr Philip Oprah together, We'd probably learned lessons from that. 385 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: We would eat dinner together, and then we'd like always 386 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: have little outings like how many times do we go 387 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: with them all? Like those are like little bonding things 388 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: all the time. We always were doing things with my mom. 389 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: I never wanted to I but also like there's something 390 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: in me like I always wanted to be with my mom. 391 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: I was never embarrassed by being with my parents. Like 392 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: on field trips, when everybody wanted to say at the 393 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: back of the bus with their friends would be cool, 394 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: I was like it didn't even think that seemed weird 395 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: to me. I was like, no, I'd rather send in 396 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: the front of my mom. Yeah, Ashley always says that 397 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: Lauren is her best friend, but I would also say 398 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: that Audrey, you are her best friend as well as 399 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: three of you. Also don't like the thought of a 400 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: parent being a friend. It's different when you're thirty four. 401 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: You know, I would say if at as sweet as it, 402 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: we always say, Audrey, you know this that it's like, hey, 403 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: we we want Dawson is our son. He's not gonna 404 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: be our friend, you know, because we want to be 405 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: able to raise him. And yeah, but of course, yeah, 406 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: your mom is your best friend your thirty four you know, 407 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: I always had a problem with that when people said, oh, 408 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: my mom is my best friend. It's like, that's your 409 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: mom and your parents saying it's like you know now 410 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,719 Speaker 1: that she's three four, Yeah, it's different. Changes, yes, of 411 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: course and for the best. So, Audrey, I want to 412 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: get to the brass tacks of things. Who do you 413 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: love more? Laura rashly, let's get real, Okay, they'll beating 414 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: around the bush anymore. Sophie's choice. It would be impossible. 415 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: There's so many it's it's it's it's great seeing you 416 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: interact with Lauren and Ashley because you you do well. 417 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: Of course, because you and Lauren are, while very similar, 418 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: also you guys are very different in a lot of 419 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: different ways, and so the way your mom interacts with 420 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: you is different than the way your mom interacts with Lauren, 421 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: But I can see how you. Um, it's not like 422 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: for better or for worse, it's just different. You love 423 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: both aspects of different personalities, so I kind of like 424 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: adapt to each personality, you know what I mean. But 425 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: we have the grandson now, so you love her more now. Right, 426 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: we've completed everything and that's she wanted. We got married, 427 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: I had a baby. It's all good. But now it's 428 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: all about Austin. Yeah, what's it like to be a grandma? Now? Fabulous? 429 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: It's like changes the whole dynamic of the family. Right, 430 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: It's just she used to be you know, high, which 431 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: do today? Now it's like, show me the baby. By 432 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: the way, Audrey, I don't know if you can hear. 433 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: If you can hear Nancy, uh, just snickering in the background. 434 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: You know, this is fantastic. I love Dawston. It's just 435 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: great that we're we love that we live. Gared's parents too, 436 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: so it's not like there's no competition. It's just we 437 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: love raising our grandson together. And absolutely, well the talk, 438 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna talk over each other, it's gonna be chaos. 439 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: Um oh. Because we had Dawson obviously in the house 440 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: for the first three weeks of his life. Were you 441 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: terrified of that? Was that before? Nervous going up and 442 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: down the stairs? And you know, I'm just having a 443 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: fear of stairs, I guess, especially at your house. So 444 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: I'm just more protective. Whereas you're the parents, you know, 445 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: you just grab him and you walk and when you're yeah, 446 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: he's like a rubber bandise. I know, when you're not 447 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: used to being around an infant. It's kind of like 448 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: I walk slower and just more cautious. If you had 449 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: a joy like do you miss Dawson being in the 450 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: house or do you like the fact that, like you 451 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: get to see him and then you don't have to 452 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, I wish you guys look closer. Yeah, you know, 453 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: because he changes from week to week. But I'm happy 454 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: that it's a short flight, so I'm happy that I 455 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: can see him as often as I can. Well, you're 456 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: welcome any time. We love having you here. She's hearing 457 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: that she thinks that she she feels like you must 458 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: get tired of her in the house. No, I don't, 459 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: Audrey every time. First of all, you treat me like 460 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: a king that I don't like. Every every time I 461 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: go to the house. Your house. I walk in, there's 462 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: like a chocouderie board set up for me, and you're 463 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: just like, oh, I put this thing together and it 464 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: has like seven different meats and cheeses and crackers and 465 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: it could feed a small army. But I love every 466 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: second of it. And then you're just so kind to me, 467 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: especially during I mean every time I go over during 468 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: the pandemic when I was there for four months, if 469 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: anybody was gonna get tired of anybody, I'll think about it. Yeah, 470 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: you spent a lot of time here, so yeah. So 471 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: and then any time you come here, you're so good 472 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: with Dawson, you clean the house, You're just like always 473 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: doing something. Uh, it's nice and you're a wonderful human beings. 474 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: So it's always been very nice to have you here. Say, 475 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: I'm so happy I'm on this podcast today. It's really nice. 476 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: Thank you. But I love coming and you know, I 477 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: just I'm just getting used to having a grandson. So so 478 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: so it's all been good. I'd love to see you 479 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: guys as parents, because you guys are really amazing parents. Well, 480 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: thank you, mom. That's because you raised us very well. 481 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: He raised me well, alright, do you want to say 482 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day to your mom. Happy Mother's Day to 483 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: you mom. You have a little Pandora gift coming your way. Yeah, really, well, 484 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: thank you so much. All Right, here we go, Nancy. 485 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: Are you in the world of zoom? You don't have 486 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: to turn your video on. Hello? Happy Mother's Day. Oh well, 487 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: thank you, You're welcome. Welcome to the podcast Almost Famous 488 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: with Ben and Ashley. Hello, Ben, Hello, how are you. 489 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: I'm well, it's good to talk to you. Thank you 490 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: for joining us today. Oh, thank you for having me. 491 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: You know what, Nance, I never really asked you this. 492 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: Maybe I have, maybe years ago, but let's do it 493 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: for the people now. Do you think that you did 494 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: something to raise Jared so right to be the perfect gentleman? 495 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I keep using the word perfect in this podcast, 496 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: but seriously, Jared, you know that you're a gentleman. Okay? 497 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: Do you think nature or nurture? How much of it 498 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: is both? You know, like, did you do something to 499 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: just make such a handsome man be so respectable as well? 500 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. There's very few combinations. Ben and Jared 501 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: are two examples of very handsome men who could probably 502 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: get away with being not as gentlemanly as they are. Yeah, 503 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: I'd give a lot of credit to our fathers. Um, 504 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: that is true, and I agree with that. And honestly, 505 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, I believe I have said this and you 506 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: probably it will ring about. I do believe Shannon came 507 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: out with their own personality right out of the womb, 508 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: and so did Jared. And I do believe that. Sure 509 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: we molded them, but I think he came out a kind, considerate, 510 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: caring human being. And um, I think it's did we 511 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: help a little along the way, like making a cake. Yeah, 512 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: we might have put the frosting on and decorated it 513 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: a little, but well, if anybody saw pictures of me 514 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: as a child, they know that cakemaking. Love of God. 515 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry everyone in my side of the family went 516 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: toward rubby stage and I'm still in it. So sorry. 517 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: My favorite pictures, Um, Nancy, I uh, you know, from 518 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: from the outside looking in, right, Ashley obviously is in love, 519 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: uh with Jared. They're married, they have a beautiful, beautiful baby. 520 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: Um you are, Um, You're somebody that's been along for 521 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: that ride since the beginning. But I'm on the outside here, 522 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: and so sometimes I feel like in life the outside 523 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: opinion is the one that um is the most impactful. 524 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: And so you know, I remember meeting Jared for the 525 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: first time. I remember sitting next to him, uh in 526 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: the Bachelor mansion on night one, looking at this guy, 527 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: and I said these words to him. I said, hey, dude, 528 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: I don't belong here, and he looked back at me 529 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: and he said, I don't either. And now that's kind 530 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: of funny. It was never shown, UM, but what he 531 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: did in that moment was he showed empathy and he 532 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: made me feel less alone in a moment that was 533 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: very overwhelming and very hard to process. And that's where 534 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: you come in, Nancy. My question for you is, Jared 535 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: is an empathetic soul. Uh. He is a tremendous husband 536 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: and a great father and a great friend. Was there 537 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: an intentionality to you raising him? There's it? Was there 538 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: things that you did on purpose to help him become that? 539 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: Or do you feel like it was still like you 540 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: said earlier, just you kind of putting the icing on 541 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: the cake, just helping him walk down a path forward, 542 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: or do you feel like there were some things that 543 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: you said No, as a parent, I want to instill 544 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: this into my son well of course. UM. I think 545 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: every parent wants to instill something in their child, whether 546 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: it's Jared or whether it's my daughter Shannon, and UM. 547 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: And with a son, I did have an intention to 548 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: make sure that he was uh sensitive and had empathy 549 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: and certainly was respectful, not just a women of men 550 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: of you know, because um, so, I don't know if 551 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: I answered that correctly. I did do I did do 552 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: things with intention. What did you do? What specifically? What 553 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: do I need to do to Dawson to have him 554 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: turn out to be like Jared? Goodness, gracious, love him, 555 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: love him, love him, respect him. UM, listen to him. 556 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: And I went to classes. You went to classes. I did, 557 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: and that's you know, we're gonna get down. And I 558 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: think I've I've admitted this UM with Shannon. UM. Shannon 559 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: was more of a UM. I told Shannon something once 560 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: and she did it. I said no to Shannon, and 561 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: she took no for an answer. Jared was not so 562 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: much just that same kind of child. I would say 563 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: something nine times and Jared would not listen, and I 564 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: would get frustrated. And so he was about four or five, 565 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: and I said I either I'm gonna go take a 566 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: course or I'm gonna kill the child. I don't know which. Well, 567 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm still here. So she took the course, so I did. 568 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: I took a course and um it was like five weeks. 569 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: But the one main thing that I took out of 570 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: that court was positive reinforcement with So if you did 571 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: something that like putting a little he put a kitten 572 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: in the microwave, Listen, I didn't turn the microwave on. 573 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: I was a kid. I don't know what the hell 574 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: is going now. I know you didn't know what you 575 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: were doing. But if he didn't, so as he got older, 576 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: if he did something that you know was not acceptable 577 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: or just wasn't you know, I just talked back. I 578 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: wasn't you know. We just I would go in first 579 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: with everything that he did really well that day, and 580 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: how happy and how proud I am of him, and 581 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: that would really work a lot better than what I 582 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: was doing, because what I was doing is just like 583 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: grabbing his al open, pulling him in the bedroom, and 584 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: that wasn't working so well. Nancy, there is there's a 585 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: theme here, obviously, and you've I think you've been listening on. 586 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: But from my mom and I have a great relationship 587 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: with my parents and a lot in a lot of 588 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: ways I always have and there's just a lot of 589 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: love and um, a lot of respect that I have 590 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: for them and uh. And then obviously with Ashley's mom, 591 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: the same thing. There was a respect, there was love, 592 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: there was a there was a friendship. It sounded like 593 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: going on there, Nancy, you just said it. You have 594 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: the positive reinforcement, uh and the respect again, you used 595 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: a respect. There's a theme in this parenting of three 596 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: parents that we believe are incredible mothers where respect was 597 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: given to their child. How important now looking back was 598 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: that to respect your child and to love your child. 599 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: You you touched on something with your mom which really 600 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: hit home to me because I was brought up with 601 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: well why did you say that? Because I said so? 602 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 1: That's the way I was brought up. I wasn't allowed 603 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: to ask questions right my generation. I wasn't allowed to, 604 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: you know, say well why do I have to go 605 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: well why because I said so? So that's what I 606 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: had to re learn that behavior and not And I 607 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: didn't want to be that parent that just stood there 608 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: and said because I said so, so we would have discussions, 609 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: like you said, so, you touched on that and I 610 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: think with that develops a friendship as they get older 611 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: and in a mutual respect with each other. Hm. I Uh, 612 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 1: it's it's something that your your spot on there, and 613 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: it's something I just don't want to under emphasize when 614 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: it comes to how we see our parents because today, 615 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: because of that also, and because of that stance, and 616 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 1: and because of that intentionality, because of the ability asked questions. 617 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: You know what I can still do. I can still 618 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: ask my parents questions at thirty three years old, and 619 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: I can still lean on them because I know that 620 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: they've done it since the day I was born, and 621 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: I know as I get older, it's only going to 622 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: get easier to continue to have those more adult now conversations. Nancy, 623 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: You've raised an incredible child. Uh, you have an incredible 624 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: grandchild here who I know you're so excited for and 625 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: proud of. Um. Thank you for joining us today. You 626 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: are a treat And Jared is an amazing son. I 627 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: couldn't ask for a boutest son. And I just want 628 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: to throw in one. I am so grateful because we 629 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: would go to like like Ashley touchdown in the front 630 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: of the bus. We would go to movies together, when 631 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: Jared was sixteen, he still go to movies with his 632 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: mom and we would laugh and we would have so 633 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: much fun together. So yeah, I know, I remember we 634 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: saw we saw Mission Impossible three, which came out on 635 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 1: thousand and six in a movie theater, and I just, yeah, 636 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: I've a vivid memory of that. Why I don't remember, 637 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: but any who, at the time, Mom, thank you so 638 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: much for joining us. I really appreciate it. Happy Mother's Day. 639 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: I love you, Thank you, I love you, I love Ashley, 640 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: I love Dawston. Thank you for Hey. Thank you, and 641 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: don't forget you can watch Dawson. That would be great. 642 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: Thank you, Okay, love you bye. Man. I really wish 643 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 1: your mom could have thrown in that story of when 644 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: you played dead. One time she came home and Jared, 645 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 1: why would you? And he pretended like it was blood 646 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: and he put a knife next to him in the 647 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: family room. Listen there, listen, there's their own fault. They 648 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: love me. I was watching Halloween, I was watching Scream. 649 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: You know, I had a very imaginative, imaginative mind, and 650 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I got a great idea. Well 651 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: here's the thing, Jared. It doesn't sound like you're the 652 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: easiest of children, But it sounds like he did the 653 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: things that you needed to and the right things to 654 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: make sure your mom knew that you loved her, that 655 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,479 Speaker 1: she was going to be a part of your life, 656 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: and that she always was going to be a part 657 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: of your life. And I think we can't underestimate that. 658 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: And hey, I just want to say on behalf of 659 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: all of this here. We love talking to all of 660 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 1: our moms and we're going to continue this episode on 661 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: Jared and Dean's podcast, Help I Suck At Dating with 662 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: some other very special people in our lives. Guess who 663 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: they are are significant others. Thank you to all our 664 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: moms for coming on. Even though my mom hates to 665 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: do things like this, she does it for her child 666 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: and her grandchild. She was good. Um. We are going 667 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: to continue this conversation on Help I Suck At Dating, 668 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: but instead of moms, we're going to do it with 669 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: significant others. And we want to thank Pandora for making 670 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: this episode happen and for treating all our moms to 671 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: some beautiful jewelry. It is the place to go to 672 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: for It is the place to go to for Mother's 673 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: Day gifts. So if you're thinking what do I get mom? 674 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: Make sure to go check out a Pandora store near 675 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: you or their stuff online. Follow after me. I've been 676 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: Dawson's mom, and I've been Nancy's son, and I've been 677 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: Amy Son. And this is the almost famous podcast Happy 678 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: Mother's Day Mothers. 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