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Speaker 1: Chip, Hi, how are you. I'm doing well? Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? So formal, it was so like we didn't

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Speaker 1: We are here. I'm actually kind of excited. First of all,

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Speaker 1: Chip's been listening to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Used to be like, oh, I haven't listened to that one,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, excuse me. How do we want

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Speaker 1: other people to listen? You're not even gonna listen.

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe it's because my life is too chaotic.

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Speaker 1: Oh I see what you did there.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I like that a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a really great transition. So if you

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Speaker 1: guys listened to the podcast. On Wednesday, I had Andrea

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Speaker 1: Lee Rodgers on and she wrote a book called Small Moves,

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Speaker 1: Big Life. She's a celebrity trainer. She opened Extend Bar

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Speaker 1: like she is just a badass, does all the things.

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Speaker 1: But the book is about all the small things you

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Speaker 1: can do to change your life. And it doesn't like

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Speaker 1: it not having to be this big, overwhelming, grand gesture

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Speaker 2: Like our forty page uh New Year's resolution list. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: I still have one that's like, I mean, they date

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Speaker 1: That's hilarious and also sow you to make this like unattainable,

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Speaker 3: if you don't think of your person of yourself as

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Speaker 3: So it's about the building blocks and the small things.

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Speaker 1: Look at you giving it an air. I love that well. Andrea,

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Speaker 1: people with tangible tips. So if you guys haven't listened

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Speaker 1: of this podcast. Again it's full of tips. She has

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Speaker 1: So I just find her to be like you said,

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Speaker 1: you guys can always email us what your thoughts are

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Speaker 1: on that at the edge at velvetedge dot com. You

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