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Speaker 1: And them and Tye, welcome back to the solid rebel

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Speaker 1: boys and girls. My name is ty Hildebrandt. That guy

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Speaker 1: over there, the one, the only, still, the incomparable, Dan

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Speaker 1: Rubinstein in Chicago, Illinois, the heart of the Midwest, and

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Speaker 1: now unfortunately coachless at Oregon. Dan, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: I just I'm okay because I got word. I'm actually

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Speaker 2: also following Mario Christobal to Miami, so I take back

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Speaker 2: everything I said. And Miami is a program on the rise,

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Speaker 2: all right. Yesterday was a tremendous day for solid verbal content.

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Speaker 2: Though I love all this stuff. If Oregon could change

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Speaker 1: We have been doing so many live streams as coaching

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Speaker 1: news becomes available. We did three last week with Lincoln

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Speaker 1: that content. There's a lot going on in college football,

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Speaker 2: the smart recruiting thing, which I think Mario Chris of

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Speaker 1: somebody like that working their way in and they're not

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Speaker 1: going to be, you know, the killer unless that assistant

431
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff is where Marios was. But that's not

432
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Speaker 1: going to be Chip Kelly. And that's the worry.

433
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Speaker 2: I mean, the worry is just like it's just it

434
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Speaker 2: can only get worse from where they were with Jim

435
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Speaker 2: Kelly part one. And so yeah, I would hesitate strongly,

436
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Speaker 2: especially like you look at chip Kelly and who he

437
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Speaker 2: hired and brought with him. He like got the band

438
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Speaker 2: back together with his old Oregon assistants at UCLA. Like

439
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Speaker 2: I just I don't sense the hunger that's needed for

440
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Speaker 2: Oregon to win within chip Kelly. All right, Well more

441
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Speaker 2: to come on that as news becomes available, do stay

442
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Speaker 2: tuned to our social media feeds. We will be doing

443
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Speaker 2: a live stream I'm assuming whenever that news comes out.

444
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: My guess is they're going to have to move fairly quickly,

445
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Speaker 2: so be ready elsewhere around the coaching ranks. Brent Vannables

446
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 2: to Oklahoma officially as of a couple days ago. Now,

447
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 2: Brent Vennables was I think their top target after Lincoln

448
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: Riley decided to leave a little over a week ago.

449
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: Venables coming back home. He had been in Norman for

450
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Speaker 2: quite some time. The fact that he gets to go

451
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Speaker 2: back there now, I think is a relief frankly to

452
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Speaker 2: many Sooner fans, at least the ones that we've talked

453
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Speaker 2: to that listen to our show and choose to write

454
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Speaker 2: in and give us their view on the matter. A

455
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Speaker 2: bunch of names have been speculated, but ultimately they get Venables.

456
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Speaker 2: It's an interesting case, I think, not only for Oklahoma,

457
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Speaker 2: but also for Clemson. Clemson losing their longtime defensive hand

458
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Speaker 2: who has done great things recruited at a high level.

459
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Speaker 2: There been painstaking with regard to detail on that defense

460
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Speaker 2: and has certainly taken it to new heights. So this

461
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Speaker 2: is a move that by and large, I think anywhere

462
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Speaker 2: you look is being graded out as an A and

463
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Speaker 2: a minus at worst. His familiarity with Norman, given what

464
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Speaker 2: he did there before he ended up leaving and going elsewhere.

465
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Speaker 2: Dan but done any regrets with this move, any reason

466
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Speaker 2: to doubt that Venables is a good move for the

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Speaker 2: Sooner Probram Sure you have a favorite Brent Venables head

468
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Speaker 2: coached team. He's never had a job like this and

469
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Speaker 2: so it's not doubts per se because a lot of

470
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Speaker 2: arrows are pointing to him succeeding. Oklahoma's a huge job,

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Speaker 2: he's a huge name, he's a huge candidate and has

472
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Speaker 2: been for a little while now. But yeah, the doubts

473
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Speaker 2: are that the bar is incredibly high for Oklahoma as

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Speaker 2: a playoff ish team. They've been at least a couple

475
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Speaker 2: times if memory serves, And so yeah, as a first

476
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Speaker 2: time head coach, what can you do to meet or

477
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Speaker 2: exceed expectations When exceeding expectations means winning playoff games, and

478
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Speaker 2: so that's incredibly difficult to do, especially now that they're

479
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Speaker 2: moving to a more difficult, a noticeably more difficult, more

480
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Speaker 2: competitive both on the recruiting trail on the field conference.

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Speaker 2: And so that's the doubt that Brent Venables might be

482
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Speaker 2: really good, and really good might not be good enough

483
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Speaker 2: for those in Norman especially. I don't know what his

484
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Speaker 2: contract is, not my money, get paid what you can get,

485
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Speaker 2: But there are going to be expectations, maybe not year one,

486
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Speaker 2: but moving forward after year one of let's find ourselves

487
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Speaker 2: in a playoff type conversation in November, like Oklahoma has

488
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Speaker 2: been for the recent the recent past. That's how they

489
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Speaker 2: picture themselves and to do that. We're talking about the

490
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Speaker 2: best of the best of the best in the sport

491
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Speaker 2: that are every year in that conversation in November. So

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Speaker 2: I think it's just very difficult. I think the defenses

493
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Speaker 2: will be very good. I think Oklahoma is still going

494
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Speaker 2: to attract a ton of talent, but they're starting over.

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Speaker 2: They haven't hired a new coach. You know, Lincoln Riley

496
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Speaker 2: was promoted in whatever it was twenty sixteen. They haven't

497
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Speaker 2: had a coaching search like this since what the late

498
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Speaker 2: nineties when they brought in Bob Stoops. Sure, so you know,

499
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Speaker 2: we have to wait to see who the offensive coordinator,

500
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Speaker 2: higher is, who the full staff. We're saying this for everybody,

501
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Speaker 2: but yeah, that's the doubt is what's expected of him

502
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Speaker 2: is near impossible.

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Speaker 1: My favorite misinterpretation of what I said, yeah, I would

504
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Speaker 1: say in the last six months has been what happened

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Speaker 1: after I made some comments on our live stream after

506
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Speaker 1: again Venables went official and we went live and we

507
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Speaker 1: talked about this, and I talked about him bringing defense

508
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Speaker 1: to Oklahoma. There were a bunch of Big twelve fans

509
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Speaker 1: who said, well, this implication that it's an offense only

510
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: conference it's dated. Defense has grown up in the Big Twelve.

511
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Speaker 1: It's gotten to a place that it wasn't the last

512
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Speaker 1: couple of years. Look at Oklahoma State, it's a top

513
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Speaker 1: five defense. I never said that. I never said that.

514
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Speaker 1: What I think is exciting about this higher frankly is

515
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Speaker 1: the fact that he can make Oklahoma's defense better. I'm

516
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Speaker 1: not blind to what's going on around other teams in

517
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Speaker 1: the Big Twelve conference. Bayla is a great example of

518
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Speaker 1: a school that's gotten more defensive. Right, Oklahoma State, Jim

519
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Speaker 1: Knowles has made that defense is better the last couple

520
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Speaker 1: of years, They've been really good. They were really good

521
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Speaker 1: this year. Even k State KSE State's been, you know,

522
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Speaker 1: above average on defense. I think if anything, it's been

523
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Speaker 1: a defensive conference and a lack of offense exactly. And

524
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Speaker 1: Idahoma in that sense has been so good on offense.

525
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Speaker 1: And the knock on them, if you want to find

526
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Speaker 1: a a you know, a fly in the ointment, right,

527
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Speaker 1: the knock on them has been that they can't play

528
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Speaker 1: high level defense. That's why they brought Alex scrinch over.

529
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Speaker 1: They wanted to get to the next level defensively. They

530
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Speaker 1: were going in a good direction this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it took a big step back after last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So if Brent Vetnables can make them better on

533
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Speaker 1: defense the way he did at Clemson, and if he

534
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Speaker 1: can maintain some degree of aptitude on the offensive side

535
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Speaker 1: of the ball, Oklahoma win's the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 2: They win it every year for as long as they're there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have a lot more years that is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the SEC's a whole different ball, whax, But get

539
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Speaker 1: my point. But we might only be talking about two years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why I find it so exciting. If he can

541
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Speaker 1: do hear what he did at Clemson, if he can

542
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Speaker 1: maintain the recruiting, there's a bunch of ifs there. Ifs

543
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: are doing it a lot of heavy lifting in this statement. Great,

544
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Speaker 1: I feel really optimistic about this higher. I think I've

545
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Speaker 1: been forced to throw out the previous head coaching experience

546
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Speaker 1: excuse because I'm so excited about Marcus Freeman. Just just

547
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: not going a thing. I'm going to talk about this cycle.

548
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw caution to the wind and we'll

549
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Speaker 1: sort of go with it. But I like it. I

550
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Speaker 1: like the fact that they get a guy that we

551
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 1: know wants to be there. I don't think he's going

552
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Speaker 1: to be looking to move on. He was a coordinator

553
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Speaker 1: for like twenty years. Just happy when he's happy. And

554
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Speaker 1: now that he gets to go back home to Norman.

555
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: He's from that part of the Country's from Kansas, I think,

556
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Speaker 1: so he's Yeah, he's he's familiar with the area. He's

557
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Speaker 1: familiar with Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: I like to move, Okay, as do I. I It's

559
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Speaker 2: one of those things though, that and I see all

560
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Speaker 2: these like coaching higher grades and like just guessing just

561
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: make it like, well, no actual context, it's quite of anything, right,

562
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 2: You're just like, well, this is what I think might happen, Like, Okay,

563
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Speaker 2: what's the difference been giving Brent vnnables A b in

564
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: an A nothing, It doesn't mean anything. So it's it's

565
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Speaker 2: not a coin flip. I think he's likelier to succeed

566
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: than not. But within the context of expectations of fans, administrators, whatever, like,

567
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Speaker 2: it's more difficult than what Brent Priy has ahead of

568
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: him at Virginia Tech, even though presumably he'll have better teams.

569
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Speaker 2: It's just a more difficult job to keep when you're

570
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Speaker 2: when you're meeting those type of expectations. So yeah, I'm

571
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Speaker 2: thrilled for the novelty of all these new guys.

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Speaker 1: I love.

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Speaker 2: I don't love new coach season, but I love thinking about,

574
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Speaker 2: you know, the different directions that schools can go in

575
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Speaker 2: once those coaches are hired, in terms of scheme, in

576
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Speaker 2: terms of recruiting, all that stuff. I love the novelty.

577
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Speaker 2: That's one of the big appeals to me about college

578
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: football is there's so much change. That's the only certainty

579
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Speaker 2: in life, and college football, like things is just going

580
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Speaker 2: to keep changing. Sure, Nick Saban and Dabo have been

581
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Speaker 2: around forever, but otherwise everything's new, everything's changing, everything's different,

582
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Speaker 2: So keeps you on your toes.

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Speaker 1: The other coaching announcement that we can talk about just briefly,

584
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Speaker 1: j Norvell leaving the Data going to Colorado State. Both

585
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Speaker 1: programs are in the Mountain West. The reason that he

586
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Speaker 1: would make a move like that not quite a lateral move.

587
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Speaker 1: Colorado State has a much heavier investment in the football program.

588
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bigger program, much bigger program. Didn't work out

589
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Speaker 1: with the Dazio. They're going to Norvelle. Norvell is very

590
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Speaker 1: highly thought of. His name has come up in accordance

591
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Speaker 1: with a bunch of other bigger jobs on the West coast.

592
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Speaker 1: But glad to see that he gets this gig. Now

593
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Speaker 1: he's the first black head football coach at Colorado State,

594
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Speaker 1: which is, you know, an accomplishment unto itself, big deal,

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Speaker 1: So we wish him the best at Colorado State. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Oregon jobs open, we talked about that,

597
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Speaker 1: the Virginia job is still open. My understanding is that

598
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Speaker 1: Tony Elliott is out of the running Tony Elliott being

599
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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator for Clemson. There have been some other

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Speaker 1: names like Anthony Poindexter from Penn State, who might be

601
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Speaker 1: the leading candidate for a job like that. We'll wait

602
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Speaker 1: and see. Elliott maybe in the running at Duke as

603
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: they are trying to hire their replacement for David Cutcliffe.

604
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Speaker 1: But it could be interesting at some point in time

605
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Speaker 1: to discuss where Dabbo goes next. I'm sure that will

606
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Speaker 1: be a talking point on the show. We've got a

607
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Speaker 1: lot of hours to fill in the off season. But

608
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Speaker 1: Brent Vannible's going to Oklahoma, potentially Tony Elliott going somewhere

609
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Speaker 1: else as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it'll be I mean, I think the Norvel

611
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Speaker 2: hire was terrific for Colorado State. They needed a real coach. Sorry,

612
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: they just did. They needed a real coach. Jy Novell

613
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: is a real coach with real success. He's been at

614
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Speaker 2: big places, you know, has learned from some of the

615
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Speaker 2: better coaches in the sport. You know. It's been at Oklahoma, Asu, Texas,

616
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Speaker 2: has been in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: So, ye know.

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Speaker 2: Good for the Rams. Excited to hopefully see a much

619
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Speaker 2: more exciting version of Colorado State getting back to where

620
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Speaker 2: they were. I'llbe it briefly under Jim mcilwaine. Who it's

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Speaker 2: what Michael Gallup that was the big receiver. He's on

622
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Speaker 2: the Cowboys now, right, He's really good up in the NFL. Yeah,

623
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Speaker 2: he was. He was killing it at Colorado State. So

624
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Speaker 2: hoping for more of that from the Rams in the

625
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Speaker 2: Mountain West.

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Speaker 1: On the player's side of this news show, Dan, we've

627
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Speaker 1: got our four Heisman finalists. We do, Bryce Young, CJ. Stroud,

628
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Speaker 1: can He Pickett, and Aiden Hutchinson will be in New York.

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Speaker 1: Almost instantly upon seeing the candidates, everyone was like, well,

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Speaker 1: what about Will Anderson? Why? Why not Will Anderson? Hutchinson? Okay, look,

631
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Speaker 1: you know where I stand in the Heisman. Yeah, I

632
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: hate individual awards. I get it. I know why they're

633
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Speaker 1: a thing. I don't care about the heisman.

634
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Ray guy has been racked up, right right,

635
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: Rag guy has been racked up, has been wrapped up

636
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Speaker 2: with Matta Riza San Diego State. That's great.

637
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Speaker 1: I don't care about individual awards. I never have. I

638
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: get why the heisman is significant. I get that there's

639
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: history there, and I understand why all these guys are there.

640
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Speaker 1: Bryce Young probably won it with his performance in the

641
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Speaker 1: SEC Championship game. CJ. Stroud had a hell of a year.

642
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Speaker 1: Both these guys are freshmen, by the way, which is amazing.

643
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett is not. But Kenny Pickett had just a

644
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Speaker 1: baller season. He deserves to be there, and Aiden Hutchinson

645
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: deserves to be there. I don't really have any hot takes.

646
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Speaker 1: You know, you talk about speaking from the chest. If

647
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Speaker 1: I'm truly speaking from the chest, I don't really care

648
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: who's there. But these four guys are as deserving as

649
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: any four, so I wish them nothing but the best.

650
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Speaker 1: I'm sure one of them will win it. Otherwise something's

651
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: gone terribly wrong, and I believe that person will be

652
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: Bryce Young.

653
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Speaker 2: The only thing I have to say is once again,

654
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Speaker 2: if you're asking me to speak from the chest about

655
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Speaker 2: the heisman is why is it?

656
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Speaker 1: Will sit there? Oh? Hold so many please think of

657
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Speaker 1: Will landers do these guys even what it? It's gonna

658
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Speaker 1: be Okay, it's gonna be. Okay, God, it's okay. I'm

659
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Speaker 1: as sleep's okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, Will, since Gretney doesn't need the validation

661
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: from the highs, like it's just so stupid to get

662
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: worked up. Sorry, that's my that's my speaking from the chest,

663
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: Like you don't need to validate Will Anderson. He's excellent,

664
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Speaker 2: he's amazing, and just like, oh I want to I

665
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Speaker 2: want to change the way the sport works by having

666
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Speaker 2: more defensive players considered for the Heisman. Okay, cool, it's

667
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: just okay to say this guy is excellent. He's gonna

668
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: get drafted, you know, at the near the top of

669
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Speaker 2: the NFL draft and has the ability to make millions

670
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Speaker 2: and millions of dollars and leave an extremely impressive legacy

671
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: at both the college and pro level. Like, I don't know,

672
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: it's just it's it's a cool experience to get invited

673
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: to New York. But if you don't, you know, I

674
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 2: think you're gonna get over it. I think everybody will.

675
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: It's fine.

676
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: He'll win some other award. Sure, he's gotta win something.

677
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: There's like fifty eight awards.

678
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

679
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Speaker 1: They'll give him something. He'll probably win a national championship.

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00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: That's what I'll win. Oh all right, those are your

681
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: four guys. Also, look it's early. We're doing this show

682
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Speaker 1: on the semi the seventh. That's when we're recording it

683
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Speaker 1: and drop it on the eighth for the general public,

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Speaker 1: a little early for our patriot people, for Bolers dot

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Speaker 1: com quick plug. Right now, the biggest name that I've

686
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Speaker 1: seen opt out of a Bowl game is your boy,

687
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: Kevon Thibodeaux. Kevon, I'm saying that gonna opt out of

688
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: the Bowl game. Not a huge surprise. He's gonna skip it.

689
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: He's gonna go pro. Probably gonna be a top five pick.

690
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Keevon Thibodeau. Again, not surprising that he would decide to

691
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Speaker 1: do this. He's been very active on the nil front.

692
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Speaker 1: You'll know he signed a handful of deals. He got

693
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Speaker 1: one with eBay, United Airlines, he got a big memorabilia deal.

694
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Speaker 1: He did the NFT thing with Phil Knight, which somebody,

695
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: I'm a tech guy, somebody still got to explain the

696
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: NFT thing. Now, I'm a huge NFT guy. I'll take

697
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: this offline with you, Ty, I'll explain how this is

698
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Speaker 1: the Twitter spaces I still don't know are somebody's got

699
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Speaker 1: to explain he started his own cryptocurrency, Sure, steam j R.

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Speaker 1: E A M. Someone's gonna have to explain that to

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Speaker 1: me too.

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Speaker 2: I just god enough, it's so important. I've I launched

703
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Speaker 2: reuben Coin, and I can't tell you, Ty, I can't

704
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Speaker 2: keep up with I don't know, draining the Greater Chicago

705
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Speaker 2: Lands power supply.

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Speaker 1: I can't. Look, I'm forty years old now. Yeah, maybe

707
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm too old to understand these new fangled diventions.

708
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: But I make pizza. I yodel about college football. That's yeah,

709
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 2: I should.

710
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: Maybe I should. Yeah, I just if somebody wants to

711
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: explain it to me, you can come on the show

712
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: and do that.

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00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Any other names that you've heard, you know, Matt Corral

715
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: I think is the one that I'm waiting on. Sure,

716
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: I know Baylor fans are supremely interested in what Matt

717
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: Corral decides to do that'll affect the Sugar Bowl. Of course,

718
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of big names. Look, it's just kind of

719
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: the sign of the times.

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Speaker 2: What year is Will Anderson? Excuse me, thank you?

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00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: Well?

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00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: Is he eligible this year coming out? I believe he is. Yeah,

723
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: I mean there's nobody. I don't think any of the

724
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: Alabama guys are gonna opt out. Evan Neil's likely the

725
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: first tackle off the board. He'll be playing. No, I don't.

726
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, because there's there aren't huge names right

727
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: now that are like I know, cave On Thibodeau is

728
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: one of them, and like some of these you know,

729
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: Aiden Hutchinson, of course, but a lot of the huge

730
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: names are playing in the playoff, and so no, I

731
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: don't think we're going to see a huge exodus of

732
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: known commodities, known qualities like cave On Thibodeaux. But that's

733
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 2: just a guess.

734
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm you know. There was some speculation maybe Kyle

735
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: Hamilton would come back for the bull Kyle Hamilton should

736
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: not come back for the ball game. Kyle Hampton should

737
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: save his knee and was in playing Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State.

738
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's fine, he should.

739
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: Save his knee. Get drafted by the Giants make me happy.

740
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Yeah, I'm tie you don't want to watch

741
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton waste away for the New York Giants. You

742
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: don't you want like good things for him in his life?

743
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: Hasn't he done enough to make you have wanted happiness

744
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: upon him?

745
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: I wanted them to draft Saquon Barkley with the fire

746
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: of a thousand sons. And I don't care if from

747
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: a GM standpoint, it doesn't make sense to take a

748
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 1: guy like that number two overall, but I just want

749
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: them on my team. And yet now he's gotten hurt

750
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: twice and he's gonna waste a way too.

751
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: So man, a running back that you pay a lot

752
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: of money getting.

753
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: Hurt shout, I don't care. I don't care.

754
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: I like, I know that The point is you get

755
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: to collect football cards. Tie, That's right, that's the point

756
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: of football fandom. You get that you got a Saquon

757
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: Barkley football card and he's wearing your team's uniform. That's didnight,

758
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: was it? It's Joe Judge, right, that's the coach of

759
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: the Giants. Should we talk NFL now, Mike Judge? I

760
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: my my knowledge of the NFL is limited to what

761
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 2: I see in passing on Twitter, and he apparently didn't

762
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: go for it on fourth and two from the forty

763
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: six or something and explained it away with like just

764
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: nothing but generic terms, like, look, we're trying to get

765
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 2: everybody involved here. We're trying to get who's Riley something

766
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like, it's just coaches spew such nonsense

767
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: on every level. It's the thing that binds the sport.

768
00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: I love it.

769
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. All right, Anyway, we'll find out more

770
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: names as we go along. I'm sure there will be

771
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: more opt outs, but right now KT is the big name.

772
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: The only other item for discussion here is we got

773
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: ball matchups. We do have. We got ball matchups. We

774
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: talked about the playoff on the show that we did

775
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: obviously on we might still have lingering thoughts though we

776
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: might still have lingering thoughts in the playoff. But a

777
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: couple teams here that are of interest, I think to

778
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: our listening audience. We've got the Fiesta Ball between Notre

779
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: Dame and Oklahoma State on New Year's Day. We've got

780
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: the Citrus Ball Iowa and Kentucky, the Rose Ball Utah,

781
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: Ohio State, the Sugar Bawl Baylor and Ole miss. I

782
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: mentioned that one a little bit ago. We've got some

783
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: other interesting matchups. One thing that I found incredibly interesting

784
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: was a game that they're calling the Frisco Football Classic.

785
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: Do you know the deal with this?

786
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: The first ever classic that's not going to happen next

787
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: year too. It was created to get to Bowl eligible

788
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 2: Ish teams into They.

789
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: Just invented it. Yeah, there were too many Bowl eligible teams. Yeah,

790
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: and so ESPN and the City of Frisco, Toyota, whoever

791
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: put their heads together and said Frisco Football Classic, North Texas, Miami, Ohio,

792
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: done and done.

793
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Speaker 2: As the owner of a Frisco Bowl Classic, NFT, I

794
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: am extremely excited with your Frisco. The value. Yeah, my

795
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: Frisco coin is is shooting up as we speak, TI,

796
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: so this one will be nice.

797
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Speaker 1: No.

798
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Speaker 2: Actually, my actual take on the bull slate and bowl

799
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Speaker 2: schedule is usually there are five to seven games where

800
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Speaker 2: I will make a point of watching. I watch many

801
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: more than that, but like really get excited going in,

802
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: Like I feel that the tingles for like this random

803
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: holiday bowl or this random whatever bowl. And this year

804
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: it almost seems trip that number, Like there are a

805
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: crazy amount of matchups that just on paper when I

806
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: saw them announced, you know, between the New Year six

807
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 2: games and obviously the playoff games. But is like Wisconsin Asus.

808
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: That feels like a better Vegas Bowl than usual, does

809
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: it not?

810
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I will watch Wisconsin ASU and like it. Just if

812
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: you were to look at the schedule and it was

813
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: a random Week seven, you'd say, this is a crazy

814
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: interesting week. And so I'm you know, even Oregon Oklahoma

815
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: with Bob Stoops and who I think it's Brian McClendon

816
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: is the interim coach for Oregon the receivers coach, like

817
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 2: Tennessee Perdue is interesting. The Music City Bowl, Tie Pitt

818
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: Michigan State. You have Michigan State's non passing defense against

819
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett. That'll be great. Baylor Ole Miss you know,

820
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: depending on opt outs whatever, that'll be fantastic. Wazoo Miami,

821
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: I'm in on it. Two new coaches there not coaching

822
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: in the game, although Jake Dickard is obviously as the

823
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: interim now full time coach Penn State Arkansas. Like there's

824
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: just there's matchups. Who does I was playing something like

825
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 2: Iowa Kentucky.

826
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: Kentucky, that'll be weird.

827
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Speaker 2: Like I'm I'm interested in all like Clemson, Iowa State,

828
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: it's just there is like a grab bag element that

829
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Speaker 2: worked out this year that just does it for me.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of deadly match games and a

831
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: lot of contests that feature contrasting styles, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's all you can ask for in polseason.

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Speaker 2: Who Does Who Does? Bailey's Appy have app State? I

834
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: think Western State a very good game. It's appointment television. Yeah,

835
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Speaker 2: it's a.

836
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: Very good game. Earlier on in the bull slate. So again,

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Speaker 1: San Diego State.

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Speaker 2: Okay, meet me.

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Speaker 1: How about that for a game?

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Speaker 2: I'm totally good. Actually, you know what San Diego State

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856
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: of this game, but I don't plan my day around

857
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: the as techs. I will admit to that. But it's

858
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: still a good game. I mean, you just have teams

859
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: will want a bunch of games playing against each other

860
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: in the way San Diego State lost to Utah State

861
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: has me a little less you know, worked up over

862
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 2: the as techs, but all the all the same, I

863
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: think the broader point stands. There is something else, by

864
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: the way, I wanted to let you know about. Do

865
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: you remember, I guess it would have been a little

866
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: over a year ago now. Trevor Lawrence is a rookie

867
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: in the NFL right now, right, yep? Do you remember

868
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: the notable esthetic thing about Dabbo Sweeney on Draft night

869
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: that I'm talking about clothing? Do you remember specifically what

870
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: Dabbo wore to Trevor Lawrence's draft party?

871
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: Wasn't it a huge suit.

872
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: The pants especially were baggy in a way where it's

873
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: just like the airline lost my suit and I need

874
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: I have an hour to find like a forty four shi. Yes,

875
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: And so that was and it probably is just dabbosweeney

876
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 2: suit and that's how he likes his suit and whatever.

877
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: But it was there was it was roomy. It was

878
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: roomy pants wise, sure, and everybody had themselves a good

879
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: laugh and thought, all right, well whatever. I mean, not

880
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: everybody can have, you know, the time or inclination to

881
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: buy a suit that fits them really really well.

882
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: Whatever.

883
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: And then and I just dropped this in our slack

884
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: direct messages, Ty, and then I saw this from Brent Venables.

885
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: Okay, take a look.

886
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: What do you see?

887
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a lot, there's a lot of room.

888
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot of fabric in those pants.

889
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: This is not an ad. This is not an Endo

890
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: Chino thing or anything.

891
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 1: Oh, it's definitely.

892
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you there might be something about people

893
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: connected to Dabbo and Clemson where Dabo before brand Venables

894
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: left was like, Okay, you've learned a lot while you're here.

895
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: Is he wearing shoes in this?

896
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: Now that you're a head coach. No, I just think

897
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: it's they're lighting a lighter brown sho Okay, yeah, I

898
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: just think it's the lighter hitting into it and it

899
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: makes it seem kind of shiny.

900
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: Whatever.

901
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: Because Brent Vnnibles is a lean, lean guy that there's

902
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: something about Clemson or Dabo specifically where it was like, Look,

903
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: the best advice I can give you is, you know,

904
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: pay a crazy amount of attention into detail, you know,

905
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: forge those relationships with parents and family members, and you're

906
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: gonna want more room than you think in your pants.

907
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: You're gonna want give yourself the flexibility of arier room

908
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: in the caboose.

909
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: You could do yoga in these pants.

910
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: And Brett Venables said to himself, you.

911
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: Know what these are hair pants?

912
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: I think you're onto something. Yeah, it's just it's a

913
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 2: ROOMI or fit. And far be it from me, somebody

914
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: in his late thirties, and I know you're not there

915
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 2: anymore to sort of assume, to assume what how one

916
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: should dress fifties sixties wherever that you know, life changes, gravity,

917
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: gravity kicks in in a way that I'm not used

918
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: to yet.

919
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: But also.

920
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: Buy a suit that fits. Oh, plumb's pain. You a

921
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: good amount of cash. Clemson paid you a good amount

922
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 2: of cash, and.

923
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: It doesn't that bad. But see, here's the thing, though,

924
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: it's not that bad. It's not Dabbo bad. I'm not

925
00:46:59,360 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: gonna remember that.

926
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can look up Dabbo and just like, dude,

927
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: come on, I know what Clemson's paying you go to

928
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: a suit shop and get fitted. The opposite is also bad, though,

929
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: when like you're just still a little bit tight. That's

930
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: almost the Miami if you want an analogy for Miami football,

931
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 2: is like thinking you're still a thirty eight regular and

932
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 2: really jamming yourself. Yeah, the Cramer jeans from Seinfeld. Do

933
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: you have any like friends or parents of friends or relatives.

934
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: I know you're not going to put them on blast

935
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: by name or specific you know, position in your life

936
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: or whatever, but there has to be some I can

937
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: tell you there's somebody in my life and they happen

938
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: to live in Florida. Not a close relative, whatever, it's

939
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: actually a relative of a good family friend. Where she

940
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: was somebody in a size that certain clothes fit her

941
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: when she was younger, and now she is not younger.

942
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: She is considerably older as everybody eventually gets, but has

943
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: sort of stuck with the same style and size that

944
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: she wore back then, and an uncomfortable conversation has to

945
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: come to her at some point, but it hasn't yet,

946
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: and it's just like, look, we all get older and

947
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: all of our bodies changed.

948
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: Maybe there is a gentleman.

949
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, happens, happens with men, happens with women, happens with whoever.

950
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, an acquaintance. Let's say, whose sport coat you know

951
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: you button the top button when you get up. Yeah, man,

952
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: that button needs to be woven onto that jacket with

953
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: like titanium thread shirtvoid popping off. Yep, I hear you.

954
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean we've all been there where we're like

955
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 2: sitting down somewhere and somebody's pants button or fly looks

956
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: to be hanging on for dear life, and you're just like,

957
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: maybe you're not a thirty eight, maybe you're forty.

958
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: It's okay.

959
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: We all have weird bodies, and so that to me

960
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: is the opposite and also terrible. But the baggy thing,

961
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: like baggy clothes make you look baggy, not even big,

962
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 2: just baggy, which is a very weird thing to appear as.

963
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: So all I'm saying here is wear a suit befitting

964
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: of the job you have, doesn't have to be the

965
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: nicest suit in the world. Still not an ad to

966
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: be clear. But I saw this picture of Brent Vnables.

967
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 2: I got it in a text chain. He's like, oh, okay,

968
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: that's a good warning to me personally, like check yourself

969
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,959
Speaker 2: with formal wear. That's all.

970
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: So we got all sorts of cool stuff going on here.

971
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 1: Over the next couple shows, We're going to go through

972
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: each of these games as best we can and instruct

973
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: you how to fill out your Bowl confidence pool that

974
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: you can take part in that contest by going on

975
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: out to play Winter Wonders dot Com or hey, even

976
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: if you're just picking on the side, not going to

977
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: pick every game with respect to the points spread. But

978
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: I have started pulling out games that I think have

979
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: interesting point spreads that we need to discuss.

980
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: I agree, I and I will point out that only

981
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: one of us hit what sixty percent in Locks of

982
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: the Week this year? Is that true?

983
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: That is correct?

984
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: And Locks Week percent for you sixty seven percent? And look,

985
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: I'm not here to say that I'll just turn around

986
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: and win you this pool. It takes time, it takes effort,

987
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: and I build things. I build things brick by brine it.

988
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: So I'm going to build you a winner. You just

989
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: got to follow along.

990
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: You have no idea who to pick between Memphis and

991
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: Hawaii or North Text.

992
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 2: I just saw. I just saw a story of Hawaii

993
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: players say Todd Graham has completely ruined their enthusiasm for

994
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: the sport, and that has affected That has affected the

995
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: way I view Hawaii at this moment.

996
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: Hawaii is good at home though they're good at home.

997
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: It's true, that's true.

998
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: Look at Hawaii at home. They played well, they beat

999
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: friends though a.

1000
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: Home I will dig into the numbers. Memphis had a

1001
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 2: very strange year, very strangely. So no, I have not

1002
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: decided on things. Usually I have a very specific pattern

1003
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: of how I pick this, but we'll see if it

1004
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: holds true.

1005
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: Alrighty, well, listen, we appreciate you all. Stop and buy

1006
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: tuning in support in the show. Going out to verballers

1007
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: dot com one more time. That is our Patreon also,

1008
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 1: so i'll giveaway dot com closed. We're going to announce

1009
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: our winner on our next show, so do stay tuned

1010
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: for that. Finally, don't forget to go on out to

1011
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: our website, solidverbal dot com. You can find out all

1012
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: the information there, how to subscribe to the show, how

1013
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: to read our articles that we're going to continue posting

1014
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: on the website. Mm hmm. And one more time, Playwinter

1015
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Speaker 1: Wonders dot com. Get in on the Bowl Pool available

1016
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: to our Patreon subscribers as you can compete for a

1017
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Speaker 1: chance to win our Solid Verbal specific prize pack, our

1018
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Speaker 1: Bowl Confidence Pool swag pack. Dan, And that's it.

1019
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: I can't wait. I can't wait, No, Tye. The only

1020
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: thing I would add is, even though it's still we're

1021
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: still in the midst of it, December to remember. Oh yeah, yeah,

1022
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: so this is only heating up as it's twelve degrees

1023
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: outside right now where I am, only heating up. So

1024
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: keep on listening, keep on keep on hanging out.

1025
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: That's all for that there, I'm a good friend, Dan Rubinstein,

1026
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: for myself, Tie, Hillary Brand, thank you so much for

1027
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: download and listening, supporting the show and hanging with us

1028
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: here through Bowl season. We will make it a December

1029
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: to remember for you. For that guy, Dan, Rememberstein and

1030
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: Tie again. Stay soft peace,