WEBVTT - Collateral Damages w/ Samantha Corbin-Miller

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on. These are our stories done Dune.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everybody, Welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Kara Klank and I'm Lisa Traeger.

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<v Speaker 1>And every week we talk about an episode of SVU,

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<v Speaker 1>the true crime it's based on, and then we interview

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing person from the episode.

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<v Speaker 3>And today is amazing. I feel like Tricksy and Katya.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time I get to say the same thing every episode.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels special. It feels on our show and not yours. Yes, Mitch, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I have Wild News. So you know I'm a huge

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<v Speaker 2>BoJack Horseman watcher. I watch it before bed constantly. I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it dozens and dozens of times. It's one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite shows. Raoul Esperanza is a voice on that show.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had no fucking idea. Raoul Asparsa, Yeah, shut up, Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>God, they're gonna come for me. I've been calling Barbara.

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<v Speaker 3>They're so mad. No, I love it well, Esperanza.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Esperansa means Hope, so it's exciting that that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good last name for him to wait, So who

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<v Speaker 1>is he on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the little mouse that dates Princess Caroline, Amy Sedaris's

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<v Speaker 2>cat agent manager cat. And he's a Stilton, so he's

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<v Speaker 2>like the heir to the He's like a Hilton, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's super rich and he's a mouse and they love

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<v Speaker 2>each other and then his family comes from money.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously they're like the Hilton's. He's like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Great romantic partner and Princess Caroline is just not fully

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<v Speaker 2>ready for that kind of love.

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<v Speaker 3>But he is like a cutie little mouse.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was looking up someone else because I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>whose voice is this? And it was Dave Franco And

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<v Speaker 1>then I saw fucking Barbara and you were believe it

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<v Speaker 1>Raoul Esperanza aka Barbara.

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<v Speaker 3>But I got I got really excited.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like a cute little tattoo, A cute little

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<v Speaker 1>rich mouse voiced by Raoul Asparsa.

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<v Speaker 2>No if I got a BoJack tattoo, I have like

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<v Speaker 2>a billion things before. Unfortunately, it is one of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite shows. I do have an original artwork from Lisa Handwall,

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<v Speaker 2>who is the head drawer and designer of that show.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I messaged her to my private art, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I want this BoJack this that she goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Sell BoJack art. Relax, you can buy this slutty horse.

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<v Speaker 1>And I bought the slutty Horse. But yeah, I bet

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<v Speaker 1>she's holding on tight. Yeah, well, she can't sell BoJack

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<v Speaker 1>art right because it's like it's like it's licensed. And

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<v Speaker 1>this leads me into another thing where like people are

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<v Speaker 1>always like writing us being like you guys need to

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<v Speaker 1>like put do the sex crime shirt or do like

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<v Speaker 1>this or that, and it's like we can't do a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this shit because we don't want to get sued,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like we can't put Benson

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<v Speaker 1>and Stabler like fucking on a T shirt. I know

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<v Speaker 1>people want that, but like we can't. Speaking of Stabler

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<v Speaker 1>and fucking I think you know where I'm going.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God, yes, hot, because I've gone on.

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<v Speaker 2>A little anti Stabler train I would save for the

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<v Speaker 2>past couple months. And that's over, Okay, that is over

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<v Speaker 2>that Interview magazine photo shoot. He's sixty years old and

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<v Speaker 2>he is the hottest person in the fucking planet.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just love the color of that green tank

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<v Speaker 1>top he's wearing. I just think that's like such a

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<v Speaker 1>hot shirt and like I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I would wear it.

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<v Speaker 1>But also I love you, like I it's all great,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all really good. Look the apple biting the pizza.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's hot. Well I thought about you when

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the pizza because I was like, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>does not eat fucking pizza. This does not look like

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<v Speaker 1>this at this age eating pizza. And you asked him

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter, what are your favorite like cheese and chocolate,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like, fuck that shit, Like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think he's eating pizza, but I bet I bet you,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a spit bucket at the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but even like super fitness people, they do say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cheat meals, cheat days, treat days are good

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<v Speaker 1>for your body. So I'm sure he has like a

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<v Speaker 1>pizza when he's at a Knicks game or something like.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he seemed like he had a real reaction to

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<v Speaker 1>it when you asked about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't. No, it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because you know my fitness girl Mari that I

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<v Speaker 2>follow NonStop I'm obsessed with.

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<v Speaker 3>She's always like, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta have fun or nothing's worth it if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>doing no of course. Yeah, you gotta live, you gotta live. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but thank you everybody who sent it to us. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we had already been drooling over it, but we appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>everybody thinking of us when they see a Zotti picture

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<v Speaker 1>of Maloney.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got a message from a gay man who

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<v Speaker 1>was like, he knows exactly what he's doing. He wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be like gay Daddy number one, and I go,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have to try. He had OZ. He was

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<v Speaker 1>doing full on gay sex scenes before, like before anybody,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, he was full dick out in OZ.

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<v Speaker 1>So he does you know he's the original Daddy.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He's fucking hot. It's amazing. I just can't believe him.

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<v Speaker 1>Amb d Wong or sixty. It's truly amazing. It's really like,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, your best years are yet to come because

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<v Speaker 1>these guys look fucking great, but.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta work it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I went back to soul Cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually having a really depressed day last Saturday

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<v Speaker 2>and I just like couldn't get out of bed and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to do anything. And then on Instagram I

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<v Speaker 2>saw Spicy Girl's ride four pm and guess what that

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<v Speaker 2>got me.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, babe, I haven't been at soul Cycle since March

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty. It was outside Masks and there was a

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<v Speaker 2>listener there and she came up. She goes, they kept

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<v Speaker 2>calling you, Liza, but I knew it was you, and

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<v Speaker 2>we talked in the elevator and it was exciting to

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<v Speaker 2>have a messed up listener at soul Cycle, all my

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<v Speaker 2>interests colliding. And then I got to go to Phil's

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<v Speaker 2>Coffee I'm a chain Berlin's favorite coffee in LA and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I am I like, I okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw your story.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're living your im A Chamberlain fantasy and I

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<v Speaker 1>love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean because I get back from New York being

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<v Speaker 1>like I've ruined my life?

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<v Speaker 3>What happened? What did I do? And now I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I can I like it. I like it. I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>La is good too. It is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just I feel like a queen in New York

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<v Speaker 1>and here I feel like a peasant. Like a peasant

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<v Speaker 1>in New York. Everyone's clamoring to get to me. They're like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you do my show, And here people are like you

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<v Speaker 1>can't go early.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone else has too, and I'm like, do you know

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<v Speaker 3>who the fuck? I am? Nobody? I am nobody. I

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<v Speaker 3>live in a room.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, do you want to talk about your new the

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<v Speaker 1>new addition to your family, your new purchase.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even remember what you got a car? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking around my home. I'm like, what did I buy?

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<v Speaker 3>What did I get? I'm like, my smart sweets.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I did get a car. It was amazing. I

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<v Speaker 1>got a Nissan CenTra.

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<v Speaker 2>It's burgundy, and I know it's a really basic name,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm calling her Ruby. It's all that's feeding my

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<v Speaker 2>soul is to call her Ruby. She's so cool. I

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<v Speaker 2>love having a screen.

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to podcasts and Miley Cyrus and I love driving.

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<v Speaker 1>Cara lives three blocks away from me, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>driven to her house now multiple times.

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<v Speaker 3>Any excuse to drive, I will do it. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's a game changer.

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<v Speaker 1>I obviously thank you Kara and her husband for providing

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<v Speaker 1>me with their car for so long to borrow, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is a game changer to have your own car.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I just wanted an avocado. Guess what, I

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<v Speaker 1>went and got an avocado. You know, it's like, it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did get bullied at one at.

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<v Speaker 3>A car dealership.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then my friend slash manager negotiated my deal

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<v Speaker 1>at another dealership for me, because she is truly a

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<v Speaker 1>three sixty manager.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, but she told me she did this not because

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<v Speaker 2>she's my manager, because she loves me so nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I think she also loves the art of

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<v Speaker 1>the deal yes that is yeah, not Donald Trump, but

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<v Speaker 1>who is that who wrote that?

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever? She just like loves making deals.

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<v Speaker 2>She's good at it, and her dad likes making deals.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a deal maker and she got me a great deal.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm gonna I have to still do my pretty

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<v Speaker 2>woman moment. I want to show up at the other

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<v Speaker 2>dealership and say, big mistake, just go.

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<v Speaker 3>By and honk and lean out of the car. I

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But my fun story is there's a little container area.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll post it on the ground, but there is a

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<v Speaker 1>little hole.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a little hole area next to in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle console. And I turned to this person and I go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>is this for like dipping sauces?

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<v Speaker 3>And he went, this is to put your key. And so.

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa thought that there was a allotted area next to

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<v Speaker 1>the gearshift of the car where you.

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<v Speaker 5>Put your dipping sauces from fast food places.

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<v Speaker 1>It's too good because the shark tank does you know

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<v Speaker 1>there are products that you clip on, So I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they know we want to dip fries while driving safely

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<v Speaker 1>while we're on road trips. But it is for your key,

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<v Speaker 1>because my car now has a button. You don't put

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<v Speaker 1>the key in the ignition, so you put Oh gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are so scary to me because I always feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I've I've rented those before and I've left the

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<v Speaker 1>car running. I've just like gotten out of the car

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<v Speaker 1>and like left the car running.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It beeps if anyone's on the other east side of you,

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<v Speaker 2>it lights up. It's been Yeah, the maps right there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really a game changer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy because I feel like, even like six years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>when I started looking for cars, like you could still

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<v Speaker 1>get rolled down windows, you could still get like just

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<v Speaker 1>no console screen.

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<v Speaker 3>And now it's like even.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the most affordable cars have like good shit, which

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<v Speaker 1>is great. Yeah, it's really awesome, and it makes me

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<v Speaker 1>feel like an adult. I mean, life's just more as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid. I was like, of course I'll have a house.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't think, you don't think how hard

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<v Speaker 1>it is to do stuff. Such a different view of

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<v Speaker 1>my parents and anyone that like raises anyone in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, I didn't realize how expensive life, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know things are different now, but it's hard. When

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<v Speaker 1>I met my husband, I was like, I mean, my

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<v Speaker 1>goal is obviously to just like live in a brownstone

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City, like and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>those are five million dollars. Like I just said, no, concept, No,

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<v Speaker 1>it is really wild. Do you have any updates on

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<v Speaker 1>your baby or your life or the house.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's good. The baby is good.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just barfing all the time, and but he's really good.

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<v Speaker 3>He's easy to deal with and he's good. I love him.

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<v Speaker 3>So I had a playdate with Rosie.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the listeners would like, tell you yes, since

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<v Speaker 1>she was requesting it. And when I said, when I

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<v Speaker 1>was leaving, I was like, give me a hug, and

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<v Speaker 1>she ran into my arms.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really cute, bounced, it was really cute. She

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<v Speaker 3>truly loves Lisa. It's it's baffling.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I mean not, there's nothing, but it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just who they choose to glom Onto is so

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<v Speaker 1>funny because it's like, but she does love that you

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<v Speaker 1>gave her a Daniel Tiger.

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<v Speaker 3>Doll, so that might be part of it. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>my spirits. I also wanted to say.

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<v Speaker 2>We went to a mutual friend's birthday picnic at a

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<v Speaker 2>park type situation. Yes, and through Kara's friends, I met Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>the man who designed Simone's red nail dress and Shake

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<v Speaker 2>Coola's body suit, and I cornered him. You can't corner

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<v Speaker 2>someone because it's an open park, but I cornered him.

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<v Speaker 3>I found a way.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked back at one point and I was like, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>have you guys just been talking about drag race for

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<v Speaker 1>forty five minutes?

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<v Speaker 3>And he was like, yep, but he seemed happy. He

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<v Speaker 3>was happy.

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<v Speaker 2>I never stopped asking questions. I'm like, have you ever

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<v Speaker 2>rejected a queen who wanted you to make her address?

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<v Speaker 3>And it was I just couldn't. I couldn't stop, but

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<v Speaker 3>it was you know, and it's nice to be in

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<v Speaker 3>LA and meet someone like that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, And he's great and we'll hang out with him again.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an old pal of mine since drag Con three

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<v Speaker 1>years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>But listen.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of shake kul A, we just want to give

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<v Speaker 1>you guys one last plug for our live show. It

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<v Speaker 1>watch it four times whatever. So just saying if you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, somebody wrote I have my Shakespearean D

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<v Speaker 1>you also can watch it another time and still get

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<v Speaker 1>be playing some SVU trivia with us and it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be so fun. So yeah, we're doing I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we're pushing the limits of technology effort streaming. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I am so panicked. I have not read one email.

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<v Speaker 1>I just Kara has been doing I just can't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just hope you guys know that this is pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the limits of my skills. And I am so nervous

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<v Speaker 1>but excited, but it is so hard. I like, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of camera do we need? I yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>just so you know, we're working hard for you guys. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so at least just come to the damn live show,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, watch it later. All right, let's get going

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<v Speaker 1>because we have a great episode and interview and everything today.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's start it off, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are doing Collateral Damages season seventeen, episode fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and we open up on a promotional event at a

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<v Speaker 2>Brown Sugar barbecue sauce. I don't know if it's the

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant or the sauce, but we're at a barbecue joint.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm curious to know where they film this because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I.

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<v Speaker 3>Have been here. It felt like the Brother Jimmy's in

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<v Speaker 3>Union Square to me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I wrote, I go to that Union Square place.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it felt like to me. But I cannot

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<v Speaker 1>be positive. How many other multi level barbecue joints.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is multi level. Dad done comedy downstairs. There

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<v Speaker 1>are multiple rooms downstairs. Oh, I did comedy behind the

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<v Speaker 1>glass doors of like their fake garage. Okay, so we've

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<v Speaker 1>both been to this Brown Sugar barbecue and there's an

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<v Speaker 1>old man there.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a boxer.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a giant belt buckle and I really can't

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<v Speaker 2>focus on anything but the belt buckle. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>also has a gray little patch of hair in his hair,

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<v Speaker 2>so I looked at that as well. And then Rollins

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<v Speaker 2>comes in and we could tell she's undercover.

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<v Speaker 3>Her name is Crystal.

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<v Speaker 1>You could always tell she's undercover because she's wearing like

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<v Speaker 1>a leopard jacket or something like wild that she would

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<v Speaker 1>never wear.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's always like, okay, we need someone to flirt

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<v Speaker 2>and be a slut. Rollin's and she's ready to go,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like giant loose curls half up, half down,

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<v Speaker 2>prom two thousand and three style, like this is what

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<v Speaker 2>you woreed a problem twenty years ago. And Brown sugarman

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<v Speaker 2>thrilled to see her. He's like Crystal, and she's with

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<v Speaker 2>a super young looking teen blonde girl who I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to assume is undercover.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and assume means I have seen this multiple times.

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<v Speaker 3>I know who it is. She's on the cover.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, the story is that this is Crystal's niece Amber,

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<v Speaker 1>and her mom has been sick, so her aunt wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to take her on a fun time to meet Teddy Hawkins,

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<v Speaker 1>a boxer who now you know, invests into restaurants, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a usual pro athlete move. You invest in restaurants

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<v Speaker 1>or car dealership or become a spokesperson. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like very George Foreman at the beginning of this,

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<v Speaker 2>not that George Foreman has committed any crimes, just that

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<v Speaker 2>he is.

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<v Speaker 3>He did take over our world.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, I guess he changed the way we lived.

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<v Speaker 1>And Benson and Finn are sitting at a table watching

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<v Speaker 1>Careese's at the bar.

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<v Speaker 3>He calls him big Teddy.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked that, And then so we know this is

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<v Speaker 2>like a big operation. They're all there checking it out,

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<v Speaker 2>and Teddy gets Long Island iced teas for his blonde friend.

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<v Speaker 3>This just suddenly made me want a Long Island iced tea.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I want that to be my first

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<v Speaker 1>drink when I start getting drunk again.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I could do that for you. Okay, that's the reminder. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>so two years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>The pandemic obviously fucked with timelines, but my sister came.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, she had a Long Island iced tea.

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<v Speaker 2>We went to a giant theater where I was doing

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<v Speaker 2>a charity event and when we.

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<v Speaker 3>Walked in, the security was like, who are you?

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<v Speaker 2>What's happened. I'm like, I'm on the show. You got

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<v Speaker 2>to be nicer to us. And then she puked in

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<v Speaker 2>a trash can and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on Long Island and it made it harder to

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<v Speaker 1>be respected and like a producer to come and grab

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<v Speaker 1>me the securities, like we can't let these old bitches

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<v Speaker 1>puking like be let into this charity event. Shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to Chris Red it was his show. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a giant necklace that Rollins is wearing is the

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<v Speaker 2>camera and it's just.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a lu Adella sep style necklace. And I call.

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<v Speaker 2>This the Simpsons rule because like, I'm Homer wears a

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<v Speaker 2>giant hat into the Quickie Maar and records.

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<v Speaker 3>It and it's just I love.

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<v Speaker 2>I just love hidden cameras in giant, giant things that

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<v Speaker 2>are obviously not like the other things.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a friend who was like sort of going

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<v Speaker 1>like going undercover for a weird thing. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get into it because I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 1>her in trouble. It's kind of specific. But she wore

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<v Speaker 1>like a button cam. She wore like a cam, like

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<v Speaker 1>a button on a shirt that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was up camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean we're gonna have some questions. Okay, you're

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<v Speaker 2>and I am wondering how long has she been undercover?

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<v Speaker 1>Because he trusts her, so yeah, it is like she's

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<v Speaker 1>known him for a while in a weird way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Teddy takes the girls downstairs and he's like, come

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<v Speaker 2>to the office, like, let's have a good time. And

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<v Speaker 2>in the office, Teddy asked the niece like how old

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<v Speaker 2>are you? She does say sixteen, so he knows that

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<v Speaker 2>she is sixteen years old.

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<v Speaker 3>This does not stop him.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it like classic like oh you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be a model, I'll take photos of you. Okay, get

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<v Speaker 2>in the stretch a little, open your blouse. And then

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<v Speaker 2>Finn is watching this all on an iPhone upstairs and

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<v Speaker 2>he's snacking and then she takes off her bra and

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<v Speaker 2>then I really didn't love this, but he starts, I

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<v Speaker 2>would be fucked if I loved it, but he unbuckles

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<v Speaker 2>his belt buckle and get and says, get on your knees,

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<v Speaker 2>little girl, and I hated it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then a man takes out her gun.

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<v Speaker 1>And says NYPD, and the rest of the squad comes

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<v Speaker 1>in and he's being taken in for attempted rape.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>And Rollins is the senior cop I guess at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>so she tells the teen passing officeer like, hey, honey,

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<v Speaker 1>stay in this job long enough and all your heroes die.

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<v Speaker 2>So cool, And then it is the credits, baby, and

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<v Speaker 2>we return with the treat of all treats. We have

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<v Speaker 2>Susie smn love Teddy's lawyer, and we're obsessed with her.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously she's a hero for I don't know, Jews with

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<v Speaker 2>curly hair.

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<v Speaker 3>No, for everybody. She is comedy legend.

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<v Speaker 2>So Cariese and Rollins are the detective duo in charge here,

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<v Speaker 2>and Teddy says that his plan was he was testing

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<v Speaker 2>Rollins and he was collecting evidence and just testing how

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<v Speaker 2>far they would go before he made a citizen's arrest.

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<v Speaker 3>And I love an outlandish live okay, Teddy, Teddy, Teddy,

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<v Speaker 3>come on, guy, guy, come on.

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<v Speaker 2>Barbara and Benson are spying behind the mirror, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>discussing what's up, and then we have Josh Pius pay

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<v Speaker 2>Us whatever. Josh comes in as Hank Abraham, and Hank

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<v Speaker 2>is usually a fucking asshole, but we get a little

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<v Speaker 2>twist from him, and.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, oh, great job, you guys. You got him

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<v Speaker 1>on attempted rape. What about child porn? What's the child

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<v Speaker 1>porn thing?

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<v Speaker 2>And Benson said, Taru found some bad websites on worker servers,

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<v Speaker 2>but they can't prove that he went to them.

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<v Speaker 1>And Hank's like, okay, okay, okay, Well, why don't we

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<v Speaker 1>make an example out of him. Good work.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do a purp walk splash him on cable news

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<v Speaker 2>and like, great job. So Jenson and Barbara are shocked

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<v Speaker 2>because they never get compliments from him. He's usually an asshole,

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<v Speaker 2>so what's up? But you know, maybe he hates Teddy

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<v Speaker 2>and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know, maybe he's like racist on top of being

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<v Speaker 1>an asshole.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I was thinking like more gambling, like if Teddy's

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<v Speaker 2>up but Teddy's retired.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing makes sense, but it is. Yeah, everyone's confused.

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<v Speaker 2>So back into the interrogation room, Amanda brings up a

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<v Speaker 2>great point and she goes, listen, the girl told you

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<v Speaker 2>she was sixteen and you kept going, So what's up

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<v Speaker 2>with that?

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<v Speaker 3>Bro?

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<v Speaker 2>And then Benson walks in and says, hey, get ready

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<v Speaker 2>for your Purp Walk and threatens.

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<v Speaker 1>Him like we're going to get the news. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be everywhere and everyone's going to know what's up

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<v Speaker 1>with you. Shame on you.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he starts whispering to Susie because he knows

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<v Speaker 2>something's up. And also Amanda has like beautiful bangs and

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<v Speaker 2>a tight little bond.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of my dream.

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<v Speaker 2>Look like I love a messy bun in the back

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<v Speaker 2>with like cute Cinderella bans. So anyways, Teddy says, if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get to the Purp Walk and all this

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<v Speaker 2>publicity for me, I will expose an online pedophile ring.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it stops and then we go I I

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<v Speaker 2>just could.

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<v Speaker 3>Not care less.

0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.840
<v Speaker 2>But we go to Senior Dodds and Junior Dodds at

0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:14.880
<v Speaker 2>the gym and I don't care.

0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:16.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't care. I don't care.

0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Like Daddy Dodds is like, oh, I can get you higher,

0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:21.640
<v Speaker 1>climb the ladder, do what.

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<v Speaker 2>I say, and he's like, I don't know, I will

0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.600
<v Speaker 2>this be you. So they're just having a weird fucking relationship.

0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Grow up, stop listening to your dad. We go back

0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.159
<v Speaker 2>to Teddy and he speaks the third person, which I

0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:34.280
<v Speaker 2>think is psychotic, and he goes Teddy wants to do

0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.879
<v Speaker 2>the right thing. His lies keep getting better and better. Basically,

0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.800
<v Speaker 2>he says, people send me stuff because I'm so popular,

0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:43.560
<v Speaker 2>but I don't look at them, but I know what's up.

0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:47.760
<v Speaker 1>So he's incredible. He should I want to play two

0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:49.200
<v Speaker 1>truths and a lie with this guy.

0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:52.800
<v Speaker 2>So Teddy also says like, I don't think you should

0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.439
<v Speaker 2>arraign me or anything, because then the pedophiles will know

0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:56.720
<v Speaker 2>I've been arrested, so.

0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.400
<v Speaker 3>Like you should wait to announce that I've been arrested.

0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.240
<v Speaker 2>And also, the juicy stuff gets posted right after midnight,

0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 2>so they're going to do stings on all these online

0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:10.680
<v Speaker 2>pedophile people in the middle of the night. And then

0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:15.160
<v Speaker 2>we cut to you know, knocking down doors. So they're

0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:19.440
<v Speaker 2>arresting pedophiles right as they're on their computers doing pedophile stuff.

0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.479
<v Speaker 2>And then one guy, one of the pedophiles, is like,

0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:25.240
<v Speaker 2>you can't be in here, and Finn just goes shut up,

0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:29.720
<v Speaker 2>and it was awesome. This is actually an awesome iced

0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 2>tea episode, I would say. So Careese and Rollins enter

0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.480
<v Speaker 2>a home of a super old man. He can barely move.

0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:39.119
<v Speaker 2>He's like, what's a computer? Like he doesn't he truly

0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:44.720
<v Speaker 2>is like a laptop what he does not know technology.

0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:46.879
<v Speaker 2>They're like, where's your modem? And he goes, what the

0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:47.760
<v Speaker 2>fuck is the mode?

0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:48.639
<v Speaker 3>Like he doesn't know.

0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:51.760
<v Speaker 1>So Kreese finds a mode like all these modems and

0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 1>tech things inside of a closet and he explained. The

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.639
<v Speaker 1>old man explains, Oh, my neighbor is using that. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what it is.

0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:04.119
<v Speaker 2>And they follow the cables and basically all the modems

0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:08.640
<v Speaker 2>are being re routed to next door. Diabolical. Okay, this

0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:13.360
<v Speaker 2>is this is intense. So next door who lives there?

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:16.160
<v Speaker 2>The old man says, us, you know, family with two kids.

0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.440
<v Speaker 2>They knock on the door. It's pippacockx.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and Rollin's is like counselor So then they have

0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.959
<v Speaker 1>to do a cover story because they respect Pipacox. She

0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:31.720
<v Speaker 1>is a defense attorney that we've seen and she works.

0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:32.480
<v Speaker 3>With child services.

0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:34.879
<v Speaker 1>So she has like probably one of these like harder

0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:38.280
<v Speaker 1>more like heroic law jobs right where she's like helping

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.960
<v Speaker 1>kids in the system. The actress who plays Pipacox is

0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.440
<v Speaker 1>named Jessica Phillips. We've seen her a couple of other times.

0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:46.720
<v Speaker 3>She was in I think she was in Institutional Fail

0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:50.000
<v Speaker 3>really quickly. Yes, she's in the handful of stuff. We

0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:50.440
<v Speaker 3>like her.

0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:54.360
<v Speaker 2>She and all accounts. She's not like you know, one

0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:57.440
<v Speaker 2>of the defense attorneys were like this slime boll. Yeah

0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:58.120
<v Speaker 2>it's not one.

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:01.639
<v Speaker 3>She's a cannon correct. Yeah.

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:06.400
<v Speaker 2>So Rollins says a quick, like quick story and was like, ah,

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.760
<v Speaker 2>something we need signals like burying the lead like she's

0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 2>not telling her what's up. And they asked like, hey,

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 2>do you have a computer we can use in some

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Wi Fi? And she goes, of course, and she opens

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 2>these French doors and it's Hank Abraham.

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 3>He's married to Pipa Cox. This is insane.

0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Who would marry this asshole, especially someone is like nice

0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 1>and dedicated to helping people as Pippa And so everyone's

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>like deputy commissioner and he like closes the pedophile stuff

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:37.880
<v Speaker 1>really quickly, and there's a family photo on the background

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.919
<v Speaker 1>of his computer, so you know SVU is doing some

0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:46.000
<v Speaker 1>they're making a point. Okay, he's watching children be abused,

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.199
<v Speaker 1>but the background of his computer is his family with

0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 1>his and his children asleep in the next room, like

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty fucked up. It's very fucked up. And Pippa

0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.400
<v Speaker 1>is like, what is this and Hank is like, get

0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:01.200
<v Speaker 1>out of here. Fin and Olivia meet outside. Tucker shows up.

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 1>It's a party, and I really love Tucker. He's like

0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Jesus mary A Joseph, like he can't believe it.

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I know you try to fuck with my

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.160
<v Speaker 2>life all the time, but this you gotta do this,

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:15.359
<v Speaker 2>And Tucker says I never liked him. Olivia goes, no,

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.359
<v Speaker 2>one fucking likes him. He's an angry prick.

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:22.399
<v Speaker 1>They explain to Tucker that you know, Pippa, his wife,

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 1>protects children. This is really weird, and Benson is going

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:28.600
<v Speaker 1>to give him some dignity and says like, let's k

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.240
<v Speaker 1>not cough him in front of his kids. We're going

0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 1>to like be nice to him. So they go back

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 1>inside the house and he he's like cocky. I don't

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 1>think he realizes in how much trouble he is, And

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.480
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of a running theme through the whole episode,

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.639
<v Speaker 1>where he keeps just being in denial of what is

0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:48.399
<v Speaker 1>truly going on and thinks he can fuck with the

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:51.400
<v Speaker 1>system because he's probably done it before plenty of times.

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 1>So he goes, I'm the chairman of the co op, like,

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 1>you got to respect me. It's like, that's the least

0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:57.160
<v Speaker 1>of your problems.

0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 2>True, and then he says call he tells Pip, but like,

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 2>call Kressler, tell him to meet me at the precinct.

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 2>So he's getting one of the scumbag attorneys to help him,

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 2>So Roger Kresler is the attorney. Hank is shocked when

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:13.160
<v Speaker 2>the door opens, like to lead him out and there's

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:16.439
<v Speaker 2>twenty five cops just waiting to search the house, and

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 2>he goes, really, you're doing this to.

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 3>Me, but whatever.

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:25.919
<v Speaker 2>So then Pippa sees Olivia and gets really happy, not happy,

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I would say relieved, like oh, thank god you're here.

0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.600
<v Speaker 2>No one is giving me a straight answer, and Benson

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:34.119
<v Speaker 2>is trying to be compassionate, but they have work to do.

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 3>She goes, we need to search your house.

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:37.240
<v Speaker 2>You need to pack your bags, take the kids and

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:39.480
<v Speaker 2>leave and that's the only way to do it.

0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:41.160
<v Speaker 3>And then the way out, the little kid.

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Is like, oh, a doggie and starts petting the dog

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:45.560
<v Speaker 2>and Fin's like, I'm sorry, you can't play with the

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:48.160
<v Speaker 2>dog right now, because, as we all know, working dogs.

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Cannot be chatting. They cannot be playing. They have a

0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 1>job to do. Working dogs. Working dogs are working dogs.

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 1>They got shit to do. You cannot be chatting. They can't.

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 3>They have to be so serious at work. That's like hard.

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Whenever I see a service dog, it takes a lot

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 1>of a lot of effort not to want to touch

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 1>them because they're usually really nice Golden retrievers, and who

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to touch.

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:07.639
<v Speaker 3>A golden retriever.

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 1>And then this was a creative move I've never seen

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:16.320
<v Speaker 1>before where the screen becomes like the viewer of an

0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:19.639
<v Speaker 1>old school video camera and it says like reck with

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>low battery. And they basically have to record everything because

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 1>it needs to.

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:26.120
<v Speaker 3>Be by the book, by the book, by the book.

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.159
<v Speaker 2>If you want to play a drinking game, this episode

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 2>put by the book on this they say, so many

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.359
<v Speaker 2>times you will get wasted. But they know that he

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.160
<v Speaker 2>knows all the legal mumbo jumbos, so like they have

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 2>to make sure everything's by the book. So they're rolling,

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.440
<v Speaker 2>they're looking for stuff, and they find two flash drives

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 2>that are taped to the bottom of his underwear drawer.

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:48.920
<v Speaker 3>That is the money evidence.

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:49.640
<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 3>So Hank and Kressler are.

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 1>In the fish bowl while Barbara, Tucker, and Benson are

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 1>in the spy room and they find out that the

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 1>flash drives came back and it's hardcore pedophile porn. Barbara's

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>trying to poke holes and make sure that the case

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>is air tight and talk, and then Tucker drops a

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>bomb where Hank is using the same password for his

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>pedophile stuff as his NYPD password. So things are just

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.399
<v Speaker 1>getting more and more deep with evidence where there's no

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 1>way to kind of lie your way out of this.

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Barbara wants to make sure Pipa didn't know about this,

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 1>and Benson says there is no way because Pipa walked

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:32.919
<v Speaker 1>them straight into the den. If she knew her husband

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 1>was a pedophile, she wouldn't be like, yeah, come on in,

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, like right.

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 3>She would have been like, do you have a warrant?

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 3>You know? Like yeah, she led them right to him. Yeah.

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 2>And then Pipa also has to bring the kids to

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 2>be interviewed, and she's kind of fighting it a little

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 2>bit and is in denial and wants to be there

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 2>and Benson says, no, you know, that's not how interviews work.

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 2>So she's really going through everyone's going through it. You

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 2>could tell everyone is having a lot of feeling, even

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the cops, Tucker, everybody.

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>She's really good in this episode, this actress, I feel like,

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 1>because you're really feeling like what it would be like

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>to be blindsided by the behavior or like the crime

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 1>that your spouse, Like this person that you're sharing your

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>life with is committing right, Like she's really You're really

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>like seeing the.

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 3>Panic and then the anger and the frustration. Like she's

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 3>really good.

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And then Hank is very much like this isn't

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 2>what you think. This is a political takedown. He's in denial,

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 2>PIPA's scared, everyone's in denial, honestly. So Hank is now

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 2>trying to like blame the modem and that the porn

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 2>just popped up and exactly when the detectives came in.

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 3>He's embarrassed it'll never happen again.

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>And Tucker's not having it, and this is honestly the

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 2>sexiest I've ever thought. Tucker was like, I'm very attracted

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 2>to him. His voice is really deep.

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>He leans in, he's about to I don't know, he's

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 1>really hot here. And then so he reveals that the

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 1>same username and password was on the night before for

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>over an hour and night hours in the past week.

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 3>Like, this is criminal, and I understand that.

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>But even if this was like full on legal missionary

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 2>playing vanilla softcore poor, nineteen hours a week is a lot.

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:18.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why you have a full time job and kids,

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, you're you're carving out a lot of time

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>for porn and that's a lot.

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 1>So then you know, Hank is still in denial, and

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>then Barbara's like, well, what who are you going to

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>blame for the flash drives we found? And that's when Hank,

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I think, realizes he's been gotten because he great acting.

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>This dude fucking acts his ass off and you can tell,

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>like and the camera angles like the director did a

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>great job as well, Like everything's closing in on him

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>and he looks panicked and worried and it's just like

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>an impressive scene. So then we go back and Pipa

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>has negotiated because she's the mother and the lawyer that

0:30:56.680 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>she gets to watch as her kids are being invested

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>gated in those child interrogation rooms.

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 3>So Rollin's is with the.

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Little girl and careeses with the boy, and they really

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>they really try to tease you here, but thank god

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the kids are not being molested by their father. But

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 1>they really like push you to the end and everyone

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 1>is like, oh thank god.

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 6>At the end, they're like, my daddy does one bad thing.

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 6>He yells at me sometimes and you're like no. So

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 6>they're at court at there's court games happening. The judge

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 6>is explaining to Hank like everything that's about to happen,

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 6>like what the bail is that if he gets bail,

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 6>he has to be at home. He can't be with

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 6>his kids, like all the rules and just breaks it all.

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 3>Down to him.

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 1>And then after that court procedure, the like on the

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>way out, PIPA's walking out and every people like the

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 1>media are screaming.

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 3>Is your husband a pedophile? Which is rude?

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Did you did they expect her to stop an answer

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 1>like I don't understand.

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the media is extremely rude. They're extremely rude.

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 3>I told you, Like did I tell you? One time?

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I was in the media box at the VMA's because

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I did social media for MTV and I actually I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to brag. But I posted the first photo

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 1>of Beyonce announcing her pregnancy with Blue Ivy. I tweeted

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>it for the MTV account and it was like retweeted

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 1>like a million times or something. I was there next

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 1>to paparazzi and people would come out, and I know

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>this is different than like being at a court, but

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<v Speaker 1>still people would come out.

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<v Speaker 3>They were so excited.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like on the VMA's red carpet, people from

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 1>like MTV shows and stuff, and they'd go who are you?

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Like they would just yell the rudest questions Like I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I am with scum.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, Like I remember thinking these are the worst people. Listen.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the pr person's fault. There should have been a

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<v Speaker 2>paper passed out to everyone with everyone's names.

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<v Speaker 4>On it for our listeners who do our drinking game.

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<v Speaker 4>That is a place to drink. Because Kara just revealed another.

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<v Speaker 3>Job that no one knew.

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 4>She had had so many jobs, it is insane.

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<v Speaker 3>What is your life? I didn't know about that job?

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>That was why one claimed to Fay was like I

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 1>was like I was on the walkie with my boss

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 1>who was an asshole, and I go Beyonce just said

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<v Speaker 1>she's pregnant.

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 3>He goes, how do you know?

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, cause I'm a fucking person with eyes

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 1>and she's cradling her belly and everyone's going fucking insane.

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, you shouldn't tweet it until you know,

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I'm tweeting it, and I just

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 1>tweeted it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, you're the worst person. Did he admit

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 3>his mistakes?

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Never?

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 3>He didn't try to.

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>He did kiss me on the cheek when the ratings

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 1>were really good the next day, and I was really annoyed.

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 3>Geeuz, yeah he sucked.

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<v Speaker 2>So Pipa and Benson start fighting after the media circus

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 2>and Pepa's.

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 3>Like, how how did you do this to me? There

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 3>could have been so many other ways?

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>And it's like they didn't know as your house, bitch,

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 1>like they.

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Thought it was your neighbor. Like, no, this isn't a takedown,

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 2>this wasn't planned. No one wanted to come into your

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 2>house in the middle of the night, and no one

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 2>wanted your husband to be a pedophile.

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean no.

0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 1>And she's obviously lashing out and try to place trying

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 1>to place blame other places, you know, like yeah, because

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to just look at it and be like, oh,

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I've just been living with a pedophile for X amount

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>of years or whatever.

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 2>So Pipa then says that she's been asked to go

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 2>on leave for her job, pending a transfer where she

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 2>can no longer work with any children or any victims

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 2>of sex crimes. She screams, and she's like, I'm not

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:21.919
<v Speaker 2>all right. I'm not okay, the kids are not all right.

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:24.759
<v Speaker 2>It has to be paidback. Who put you up to this?

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 2>What else can it be? And Benson is just like

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Pippa and she starts crying and falls into Benson's arms

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 2>as she cries, and it's a touching moment between them,

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 2>but I mean.

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>It's the moment she really realizes, like take away all

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 1>these other like accusations and all these other theories, like

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's just the theory that's right in front of you,

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 1>which is that your husband is guilty.

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.920
<v Speaker 3>You know. Yeah, it's tough.

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 1>So Barbara visits Hank and Crestler at the house and

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Hank is now like clawing it a different way to

0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.160
<v Speaker 1>deal with this, and he's like, honestly, thank you for

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 1>arresting me.

0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:02.800
<v Speaker 3>I needed it. I'm an addict. I need help.

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I was, you know, trying I need to fight it,

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:08.319
<v Speaker 2>but I was too ashamed. I'm speaking to a rehabilitation

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 2>center and Barbara goes, nah, bro, it's not that simple,

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>like it's not gonna happen. Hank says, no, I know

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:18.400
<v Speaker 2>these are serious issues. I have worked to do, but

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:23.319
<v Speaker 2>I just need help. And Barbara's like, no, like even

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 2>if I tried to give you a deal, the FEDS

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 2>will not go And Hank says the Feds. He goes, yes,

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 2>you're a man in the government, Like, of course you're

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 2>getting twenty to thirty years in jail. That is what

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 2>is happening. There's no more games. And Hank turns to

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Crestler and goes, is he bluffing?

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 1>And Crestler goes, no, you did bad things, like I

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 1>just don't know how. He's in denial, like, bro, come on,

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 1>you're in the industry, like you know what's up.

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 3>There is no deal to be made you have. I

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 3>mean it's hard.

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>It's like fully privileged fuel denial as well, because it's

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 1>like I couldn't possibly be going to jail.

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm me, I'm a powerful white man, Like what you

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 3>know like he's basically just like there's got to be

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 3>a way around this. It's like, no, dude, there's not.

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nineteen hours a week, that's hundreds, if not thousands

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 1>of hours a year, like sorry. So Hank finally is like,

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 1>how did you get onto me? Someone turned me in

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 1>to save their own ass? And Barbara says yes, So Hank,

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, he, like I said, he understands the business,

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the industry.

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 3>It's not a business. I mean, it shouldn't be a business.

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 3>It's a business. I don't know.

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 2>But pedophiles also aren't trustworthy, Like you can't just be

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 2>trusting other pedophiles, right, Like of course someone's going to

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 2>turn you into to save their own asks. And Hank

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 2>knows who it is. He goes, oh, it's Teddy Hawkins.

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 2>And he goes, I can give you secrets too, and

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Barbara says, we don't need anything from you. You are bad.

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 2>So Barbara says, we don't really actually need anything from

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 2>you unless you can help us find the producers. And

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 2>this shows like the brain damage that's happening here, Like

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:04.319
<v Speaker 2>Hank legit is like, ew, if I knew anyone like

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:07.280
<v Speaker 2>the producers, I would have turned them into the FEDS myself.

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.280
<v Speaker 2>If you think that I knew someone was hurting kids,

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 2>they're the worst people ever.

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I would have done something about it. Like he truly

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 1>is so deep, Like what is that compartmentalized?

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 3>He does not understand.

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:21.239
<v Speaker 2>And Barbara says, what we're all thinking, like, you know

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:25.280
<v Speaker 2>the kids you're watching in the like you're watching crime

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 2>scenes of children.

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 3>You understand that you are they're not acting.

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Hank keeps me like I was never in

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.240
<v Speaker 2>the room when it happened. I was a parent.

0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 3>And Barbara says, there's new duke, keep calling Barbara Barbara.

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 3>You know that. No, I didn't realize that. No, I

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 3>didn't hear it at all this whole time.

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, most of this episode, and in another episode you

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:52.800
<v Speaker 1>did a couple of times, but I was like, she's stopping.

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 1>And now this episode it's really we're on a Barbara train,

0:37:55.680 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Like okay, yeah, thank god, I'm not calling him babar

0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 1>because that's what I think about every time. Um, okay,

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 1>So basically, Barbara, sorry, Barbara, Barbara, barb Barbara. So Barbara says, listen,

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 1>there's no deal to be had. Hank says, there's always

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 1>a deal to be had.

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Barbara says, focus on your family, because your friends are

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna ditch you if they already haven't, Like, everyone's gonna

0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 2>turn their backs on you. Plead guilty, serve your time,

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:38.080
<v Speaker 2>and spare your family any more pain. Hank says, please

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:41.759
<v Speaker 2>leave me alone and kicks Kressler and Barbara out and

0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 2>says get out, get out, get out, And he's just

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 2>on the couch and pissed and has to think about it.

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I love what you. I love your notes, Liza,

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:54.959
<v Speaker 1>so funny. Benson and in a sling baby Dodd.

0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 2>So Benson is with baby Dodds and he has a

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 2>ling on and Benson has a really cute beanie and

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:07.399
<v Speaker 2>winterwear to the max. Like I'm obsessed with Benson right now,

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 2>and they're talking about Dodd's future.

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't care. Do you care?

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't care.

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:16.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean I don't understand. I mean, did I shed

0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:19.399
<v Speaker 1>a tear when Brad Garrett killed him?

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:21.360
<v Speaker 3>Sure? Yeah, that's what I'm wondering.

0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>If like that, they're they're putting these scenes in to

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:26.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of get try to get us to care about him,

0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:28.839
<v Speaker 1>so that knowing that they were sort of going to

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 1>have this climactic like horrible tragic death for him.

0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 3>So it's like, but he wanted to stay with SVU.

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:38.640
<v Speaker 1>He was like an SVU at heart, you know, like

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 1>so that it makes it like sadder when he I

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I'm spitballing.

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:44.920
<v Speaker 3>I obviously wasn't in the writer's room, but like you know,

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.359
<v Speaker 3>it didn't work for me. I just don't care about

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 3>the Dodds thing, like I don't. You're a grown man.

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Stop listening to your daddy, you know, I like grow up.

0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:57.560
<v Speaker 2>And then after Benson, you know, has to do college

0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 2>counseling to Dodds. She is busy and has to do

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:05.840
<v Speaker 2>some social work with Pipa. And you could tell PIPA's

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 2>going through it. She's in a sweatshirt, her hair's in

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 2>a bun, and she's drinking white wine. She's like pandemic

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Chic before pandemic Chic existed.

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 3>She's in a hotel.

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 1>She misses her kids, you know, she sent the kids

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 1>away to beat with grandparents, and.

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 3>Which is a good, good call.

0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:26.760
<v Speaker 2>And PIPA's mother is blaming her, which is so sad.

0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:28.520
<v Speaker 2>But she's like, you do this for a living, how

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:30.839
<v Speaker 2>did you not suspect it? Which, of course that's how

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:33.719
<v Speaker 2>we should all be, Like, we would all be thinking that,

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:37.320
<v Speaker 2>And Benson goes, men who do this have to hide.

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.279
<v Speaker 3>It, and they get very good at it.

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Pipa has been you know, slept with him for twelve years,

0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 2>and the sucks, the sucks. She's yeah, she calls herself stupid.

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Of course she's going to think that, and there's really

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 1>nothing to say to make her feel better. It's like,

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:53.840
<v Speaker 1>these kind of things make me really happy that I have,

0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:55.600
<v Speaker 1>like all of my husband's passwords.

0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:57.840
<v Speaker 3>I he doesn't know how to hide anything.

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 1>He's so bad at keeping secrets or like he can't

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:02.440
<v Speaker 1>like hide a secret when he goes to McDonald's, you

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, Like he just I feel blessed

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 1>that I am fully I could steal his identity in

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 1>a minute and like move to Mexico.

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's kind of what Coco says about iced Tea.

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Someone asked her, how do you feel that iced Ty

0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:14.800
<v Speaker 2>plays video games so much? She goes, at least I

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:16.160
<v Speaker 2>know where my man is. I don't care.

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Barbara are drinking scotch in the office discussing

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:23.320
<v Speaker 2>the case.

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 1>So you know, this case is really affecting them because

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 1>they're going to the Hard Booze Hard Booze. In the office,

0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Barbara gets a call that Hank Abraham has slashed his wrists.

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 3>Commercial break, Okay.

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Then they're in the hospital and Pippa's there and lets

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Benson know that he's gonna make it. She found him

0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:42.239
<v Speaker 2>on the bathroom floor and she stopped in to just

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 2>grab some things for the kids. And she didn't stop in,

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:47.640
<v Speaker 2>he would be dead, no, But Pippa says she doesn't

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 2>want to lose him, and she wants you know, she

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>wanted to save him. So the Dods met her at

0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 2>the bar and they're listening to Susie Esmond on the

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 2>screen of a television talking about Teddy's case on the

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 2>news and he pled out on a misdemeanor. He's starting

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:06.880
<v Speaker 2>a fund to help victims, and he got six months

0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:10.839
<v Speaker 2>at most, and Hank is looking at super hard time.

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that means. I don't feel bad

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:15.279
<v Speaker 2>for Hank, Like do I want Teddy to go to

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:18.399
<v Speaker 2>jail too? Sure, but this isn't making me feel bad

0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 2>for Hank that he got caught. You know, he's a

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 2>bad guy, and I'm sure all of you are smart.

0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Listeners you've caught on. But it makes sense.

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 2>The Hank Abraham cameo in the top of the episode,

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 2>rushing in being like any child poorn information, you know,

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:35.880
<v Speaker 2>so we know why he was interested in nailing Teddy.

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:39.880
<v Speaker 2>So again we get the Dods, Baby Dods, Papa Dodds,

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I want to stay at SV and

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the dad goes, come on, move up the ladder, and

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:44.600
<v Speaker 2>he goes.

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:48.480
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm going to help people. So we're at Supreme Court.

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:53.879
<v Speaker 1>It's Sunday, February fourteenth, so it's Sunday at court, which

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 1>is always weird, and it's Valentine's Day, which is one

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:57.839
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite holidays.

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 3>Hank's eye are red. Is it an honor Valentine's Day? Maybe? No,

0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:02.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm kidding. He's upset.

0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 1>His eyes are like creepy red, they're like really really bloodshot.

0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:09.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's been crying.

0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:14.720
<v Speaker 2>He pleads guilty, Thank goodness, He does a speech, he apologizes,

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:20.120
<v Speaker 2>he says sorry, that's an apology. So then Barbara asks

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 2>for a deal that I'm kind of shocked by, which

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:27.319
<v Speaker 2>is he would get four years per count. But he

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:29.799
<v Speaker 2>asks the court for Hank to be able to serve

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 2>it concurrently, which means he's only getting a four years

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:35.799
<v Speaker 2>in prison, which I guess Hank's right.

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 3>There's always a deal to be made, damn.

0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's obviously going to serve it in protective

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.800
<v Speaker 2>custody and then be on the registry for a minimum

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 2>of twenty years. Pipa and Benson watch and she says,

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 2>he's still my husband and we still have two children,

0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 2>and Benson says.

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 3>I get it, you know, I get it.

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 2>And then we leave the courtroom and I'm really glad

0:43:57.200 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 2>we get a nice little sexual ending. Tucker and Benson

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 2>are walking in like super cold weather and they're going

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:05.840
<v Speaker 2>to go have a night cap, and they link arms

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 2>and they walk on off together, starting their romance.

0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 1>That's the beginning of Tucson. Is that what the fans

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 1>call it?

0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's what the fans call it.

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.320
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's weird that he only got four years,

0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:20.799
<v Speaker 1>but I'm glad he got caught. And I wonder if

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 1>the other pedophiles that they caught that same night are

0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:23.800
<v Speaker 1>going to get.

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:27.280
<v Speaker 3>A deal like this. Yeah, right, Yeah, it's interesting.

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:33.719
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, collateral damages. Let's hear what's up Kara.

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 1>First off, I want to just talk about how when

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 1>we pick an episode of this show to do, sometimes

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:51.319
<v Speaker 1>it's like very obvious what the crime is, you know,

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:54.000
<v Speaker 1>like there's obviously a Woody Allen episode, There's obviously a

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson episode. Like there's just some that are just

0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 1>the crime is screaming at you. But then the others

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:00.440
<v Speaker 1>we have to look a little bit more deep to

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.799
<v Speaker 1>find like what cases connected based on like the time

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:06.720
<v Speaker 1>the episode came out, like what was in the press, similarities,

0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:09.800
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. But in this case, I was fully prepared

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:13.600
<v Speaker 1>to research a different issue, a different crime, like a

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:17.719
<v Speaker 1>of this child pornography ring, because that's kind of what

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Internet some Internet sources had told me, Oh, this episode's

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:22.440
<v Speaker 1>based on this. And then we ended up talking to

0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 1>our guests who I will not reveal yet, who was

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:27.640
<v Speaker 1>able to give us the true tea and tell us

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:31.319
<v Speaker 1>what headline this case was ripped from, and that is

0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>Jared from Subway.

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:35.520
<v Speaker 3>This is the Jared from.

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 1>This is the Jared from Subway episode, which I did

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:44.560
<v Speaker 1>not know that that needs to be updated in the

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:46.960
<v Speaker 1>wiki fandom for SVU.

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:49.520
<v Speaker 3>If you're one of their editors, please get on it.

0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 1>First of all, Lisa I'd like to ask you about

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:53.840
<v Speaker 1>your relationship with subway.

0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Have you are you?

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Have you? Are you a current subway enjoyer? Are you

0:45:57.120 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a past subway enjoyer. I was hoping we would talk

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 1>about her subway orders.

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I get the tuna or the veggie patty,

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:09.440
<v Speaker 2>which are really weird choices, I think, But as a child,

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it's because my sister's husband was kosher, so

0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:14.400
<v Speaker 2>that's why I got the non meat stuff. So I

0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:18.640
<v Speaker 2>love tuna because I love mayonnaise and it's amazing. And

0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 2>then the veggie patty with sweet onion sauce is so

0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:24.240
<v Speaker 2>fucking good. And I love that Italian urban cheese bread.

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:26.799
<v Speaker 2>I love chips, I love sometimes getting a power rate.

0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 2>I love subway, but I have not been in a

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 2>few years. I would say, Yeah.

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, I haven't been to a subway

0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:35.719
<v Speaker 1>in probably like ten years. But in my hometown growing up,

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:38.279
<v Speaker 1>there were like almost no chains, Like we had a

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Starbucks and a Duncan that were like going at each

0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:43.080
<v Speaker 1>other for the coffee, and then Subway was like the

0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:45.360
<v Speaker 1>only chain. And it was like as a high school

0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 1>or middle school or.

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:47.720
<v Speaker 3>That was like what I could afford so I would.

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I was there all the time. I fucking loved the BLT.

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:54.360
<v Speaker 1>I loved the BMT. So you're steering clear of the

0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:57.000
<v Speaker 1>deli meats. I'm getting as many deli meats as possible

0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>into my mouth.

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:00.360
<v Speaker 4>Did you see the news though, sorry, that the tuna

0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 4>is not tuna? It came out like two months ago.

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 4>Oh I saw that. Yeah, okay, just making sure I

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 4>forgot Thank you for reminding me. Yeah I did. They

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:09.200
<v Speaker 4>said that tuna wasn't tuna.

0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:10.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what is it?

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:15.239
<v Speaker 4>A mixture of various concoctions is literally I can't Oh

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:16.920
<v Speaker 4>my god, that's what it says.

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:20.040
<v Speaker 1>The commercials were huge, like the five dollars foot long

0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:23.560
<v Speaker 1>that changed the game of restaurants. I mean, I don't know,

0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 1>like that deal was huge. Yeah, well we'll get into

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 1>what actually got them huge.

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So, speaking of loving subway, we all know the biggest

0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:36.400
<v Speaker 1>lover of Subway of all time was famously Jared Fogel,

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 1>who was a Subway spokesperson and noted sex offender who

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 1>became a massive punchline for a few years. And I

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:46.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of knew this story. I'm sure we all know

0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the story, but like I didn't. I just never took

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 1>a deep dive into it.

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 3>So this is that.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Fogel is, unfortunately one of us, a chosen person,

0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:55.919
<v Speaker 1>a Jew.

0:47:57.160 --> 0:47:57.799
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that.

0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:01.239
<v Speaker 1>You didn't know Jared Fogel was a Jew. I don't

0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 1>think of Jared as a Jewish name. I'm married to

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:06.520
<v Speaker 1>a Jared. You're right, maybe it's the focal. Maybe the

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Fogel should have tipped me off, but I wasn't sure.

0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:13.239
<v Speaker 1>He was born and raised in Indianapolis. I've never even

0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.080
<v Speaker 1>been there, but one of our best friends is from there,

0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and I do so I do feel like I know

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:17.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about it.

0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 3>I've been to Indianapolis. Yeah, yeah.

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Her parents took me to a Greek restaurant on the

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:26.799
<v Speaker 2>water and it was delicious. I also one time was

0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.840
<v Speaker 2>booked to perform at a venue and then they canceled

0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:33.600
<v Speaker 2>the shows because Kelly Clerkson was going to be there instead.

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:40.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh, you got bumped by Kelly Clarkson. I so.

0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Jared was a student at Indiana University at Bloomington, and

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:46.480
<v Speaker 1>he weighed, you know, four hundred and twenty five pounds.

0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:49.480
<v Speaker 3>He was very overweight, and this was concerning to him.

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 1>So he began a self style diet where he walked

0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:56.439
<v Speaker 1>to Subway and only ate their low calorie options, eliminating

0:48:56.600 --> 0:49:00.160
<v Speaker 1>your and my favorite condiment, mayo, eating smaller portions, and

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 1>he started exercising more. He ended up losing two hundred

0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:06.359
<v Speaker 1>and forty five pounds in eleven months, more than half

0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 1>his bodyweight.

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:09.160
<v Speaker 3>So I forgot who told me this.

0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:11.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's someone that went to school

0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:13.160
<v Speaker 2>with it or whatnot, but they said that this whole

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:15.040
<v Speaker 2>story is a lie. And he went to subway because

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.640
<v Speaker 2>it was close to his house and he was just lazy.

0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:19.520
<v Speaker 3>No, it was it was close to his house.

0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Actually, like I read in another thing that he was

0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:24.400
<v Speaker 1>that it was like a bill. He moved off campus

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:26.759
<v Speaker 1>and there was a subway nearby, so he would walk there.

0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:28.040
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think it was like he was walking

0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:30.879
<v Speaker 1>ten miles through snow getting steps like. I think he

0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:33.920
<v Speaker 1>just was walking a subway and getting the but he

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:36.400
<v Speaker 1>eating the low calorie meals. He ended up losing, you know,

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:38.799
<v Speaker 1>half his bodyweight. And then someone who lived in his

0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 1>dorm wrote an article about him in the school paper,

0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 1>which I wrote for my school paper. None of my

0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:46.400
<v Speaker 1>stories were ever picked up to national news unfortunately, And

0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:49.319
<v Speaker 1>like about karaoke night at the local bar, and then

0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:53.440
<v Speaker 1>this is what set his like, you know, trajectory into fame,

0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:56.880
<v Speaker 1>into motions. So Men's Health magazine picks up the story,

0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:01.640
<v Speaker 1>and then Subway franchises start contacting sub being like, we

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:04.479
<v Speaker 1>got to use this guy in ads, Like.

0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:06.640
<v Speaker 3>We got to start using him somehow.

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:08.759
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I was in a trivia one night

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:11.560
<v Speaker 1>where they asked what is the most populous franchise, like

0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:14.719
<v Speaker 1>that has the most franchises, and everybody thought it was McDonald's,

0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and I think it is Subway in the world. Yeah,

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:20.400
<v Speaker 1>because it's easier to squeeze in. You don't need a

0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:21.680
<v Speaker 1>full kitchen, you know what I mean.

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Like McDonald's you need a lot of space, but Subway

0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:27.520
<v Speaker 2>you can throw one in the back of a gas

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:28.960
<v Speaker 2>station and a train station.

0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Where I've always had two booths. Ours had two booths.

0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:34.160
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like a sit down like huge Gym was tiny.

0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 1>You're right, it was like slammed in next to a

0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Chinese restaurant. So these franchises are like, why aren't we

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 1>using this guy? So they start this whole campaign with

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:43.799
<v Speaker 1>Jared as their spokesperson. In two thousand, the year two

0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.839
<v Speaker 1>thousand and it's it's only twenty years ago, but the

0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 1>first commercials truly look like ancient, Like I feel like

0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm watching something on a crank projector also, do you

0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:56.560
<v Speaker 1>just think about Conan and Go in the year two thousand,

0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:58.160
<v Speaker 1>like when they said.

0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:00.600
<v Speaker 3>That in the year two thousand?

0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but also do you whenever I see old stuff

0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 1>that's not that old? I think of Sex and the

0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:09.600
<v Speaker 1>City Season one, like it looked so old, like when

0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:11.640
<v Speaker 1>you look at it now, it just looks like fully

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:14.279
<v Speaker 1>someone's like, I don't know, I.

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Knid my friends Marty and Sarah and Chicago. When I visit,

0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:22.520
<v Speaker 2>we'll get high and watch nineties commercial compilations on YouTube.

0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:26.680
<v Speaker 3>Not to brag, but I do cool things. That's really fun.

0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, this sparked like a whole slew of commercials

0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 1>were Subway focused on being kind of like the healthy

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 1>fast food option. They focused on Jared, they focus on

0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:39.560
<v Speaker 1>some other people's stories, and the original spots came with

0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:42.799
<v Speaker 1>a disclaimer that said the Subway diet combined with a

0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:45.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of walking worked for Jared. We're not saying this

0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:47.720
<v Speaker 1>is for everyone. You should check with your doctor before

0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:50.760
<v Speaker 1>starting any diet program, but it worked for Jared. Okay,

0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:54.719
<v Speaker 1>so now Jared, like over the years, Jared goes on Oprah,

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:56.680
<v Speaker 1>he gets parodied on Us and l there's a whole

0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:57.719
<v Speaker 1>South Park about him.

0:51:57.760 --> 0:51:59.160
<v Speaker 3>He's on the Sharknado movies.

0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:02.680
<v Speaker 1>He just like started to become like unfortunately, like the

0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:05.720
<v Speaker 1>MyPillow guy or Tan Mom. He just starts to become

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:09.280
<v Speaker 1>like a cultural person, you know, a person in our culture.

0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:12.000
<v Speaker 3>And then he.

0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Would tour around with his sixty two inch waist pants

0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:16.960
<v Speaker 1>now down to a thirty four and just like show

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:17.440
<v Speaker 1>everyone the.

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:18.360
<v Speaker 3>Pants if you remember that.

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 1>And then in two thousand and eight they did this

0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:24.719
<v Speaker 1>whole campaign and paired it with his tour to pants

0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:27.920
<v Speaker 1>where he routinely visited elementary schools.

0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:29.879
<v Speaker 3>And now you'll see why that's creepy later.

0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:32.279
<v Speaker 1>Then, around two thousand and eight two thousand and nine

0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:33.920
<v Speaker 1>is when we started seeing a little bit less of

0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Jared and commercials because we started focusing more on the.

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:45.280
<v Speaker 3>Five five five dollar for long right, yeah, Lisa your favorite?

0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I would have to split it with someone

0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:49.680
<v Speaker 2>because who can eat a hole full long?

0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:50.600
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and less, like I said, unless you're doing when

0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:55.439
<v Speaker 1>I was so broken college, Also one year I wanted

0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:57.640
<v Speaker 1>to stay for graduation and like party, and I was

0:52:57.719 --> 0:52:59.160
<v Speaker 1>my mom was like, yeah, but I'm not giving you

0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:01.040
<v Speaker 1>any money, and I was like okay, And I just

0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:03.719
<v Speaker 1>ate six inches for lunch and six inches for dinner

0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and that was like my health for a week. Even

0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:08.080
<v Speaker 1>though they leaned away from Jared a little bit for

0:53:08.120 --> 0:53:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the five dollars foot long, by twenty thirteen, he'd filmed.

0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:12.560
<v Speaker 3>Almost three hundred commercials for some way.

0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:16.000
<v Speaker 1>What Yeah, and he was reportedly worth fifteen million dollars,

0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:18.600
<v Speaker 1>which you know, I think that's from CelebrityNetWorth dot Com,

0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:20.560
<v Speaker 1>which we all know is bullshit, but that's like that's

0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the general what A lot of articles have said, that's

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:26.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of what around his net worth. And he was

0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 1>credited for increasing subway sales by thirty three to fifty

0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:33.160
<v Speaker 1>percent from nineteen ninety eight to twenty eleven. So like

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:35.960
<v Speaker 1>your I know, five dollars foot long was huge, but

0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:39.200
<v Speaker 1>like Jared got subway, like they turned them from like

0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:42.319
<v Speaker 1>a small kind of little like sandwich chain into this

0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:45.080
<v Speaker 1>like mega thing, like he was very much a part

0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:48.640
<v Speaker 1>of that. So he also developed the Fogel Foundation to

0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:52.480
<v Speaker 1>fight childhood obesity. And this will come up later, so

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:54.920
<v Speaker 1>we all know Fogel was not the innocent prince of

0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:57.520
<v Speaker 1>sandwiches that he may have seemed. And in two thousand

0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:00.480
<v Speaker 1>and seven he got on the FBI's radar when a

0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:04.680
<v Speaker 1>former journalist in Sarasota, Florida, said that Fogel had confessed

0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:06.040
<v Speaker 1>his antraction to young.

0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:06.839
<v Speaker 3>Girls to her.

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:10.960
<v Speaker 1>He had told her that, and this was this woman

0:54:11.000 --> 0:54:13.799
<v Speaker 1>that he just met, and she just was very good

0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:16.640
<v Speaker 1>at getting him to open up and say everything that

0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:19.600
<v Speaker 1>he was into and everything he had done. And so

0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:22.880
<v Speaker 1>she brought him to the FBI and then became an

0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:26.840
<v Speaker 1>informant for them. She recorded all their conversations, their texts,

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:29.640
<v Speaker 1>she wore a wire, and then she brought all this

0:54:29.680 --> 0:54:33.280
<v Speaker 1>information to the FBI. But ultimately he couldn't be prosecuted because.

0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Of lack of evidence.

0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I guess like even though she got all this info,

0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:39.040
<v Speaker 1>there just wasn't enough evidence. Maybe there weren't like names

0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:41.560
<v Speaker 1>of victims or I don't know, but that two thousand

0:54:41.560 --> 0:54:43.640
<v Speaker 1>and seven investigation is what got him on the radar,

0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:46.239
<v Speaker 1>but he wasn't ultimately prosecuted for any of those crimes.

0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Cut to April of twenty fifteen, the director of the

0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Fogel Foundation, Russell Taylor is arrested for child exploitation. This

0:54:56.000 --> 0:54:59.640
<v Speaker 1>is Russell Taylor is Jared Fogel's friend and the head

0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:03.200
<v Speaker 1>of his foundation, and he's arrested for child exploitation, possession

0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:06.799
<v Speaker 1>of child pornography, and voyeurism and was eventually sentenced to

0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:10.720
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven years in federal prison in April of twenty fifteen.

0:55:10.840 --> 0:55:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Fogel severs all ties with him immediately following the arrest. Okay,

0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:19.840
<v Speaker 1>two months later, July of twenty fifteen, the FBI raids

0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Fogel's house in Indiana, seizing his electronics, all these documents.

0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Because the investigation of Russell Taylor led the FEDS to Jared,

0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:29.879
<v Speaker 1>and that must have been like a really tense five

0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:32.680
<v Speaker 1>to six weeks for Jared in between his own arrest

0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:34.120
<v Speaker 1>and the arrest of his friend, because he was like,

0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:35.360
<v Speaker 1>they're coming, right, He had.

0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:36.400
<v Speaker 3>To know they were on their way.

0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But then it's like delete all your shit and

0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:42.080
<v Speaker 2>move to Mexico, bro, Like, I know how you just

0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:45.160
<v Speaker 2>sit there and continue doing pedophile games.

0:55:45.560 --> 0:55:46.839
<v Speaker 3>I know you're right, You're right.

0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:53.319
<v Speaker 1>It's really it's really nuts. So he gets arrested. Ultimately,

0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 1>authorities found that Taylor and Fogel had traded sexually explicit

0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:59.720
<v Speaker 1>photos and videos of children, some as young as six

0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:03.320
<v Speaker 1>in these videos and photos, which is horrible. Of course,

0:56:03.400 --> 0:56:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Subway cut ties with Jared Fogel the exact same day.

0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:09.360
<v Speaker 1>They like suspended all his campaigns and everything. The FBI

0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:13.640
<v Speaker 1>also discovered text messages from two thousand and eight between

0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Fogel and a Subway franchise named Cindy, who he was

0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:20.040
<v Speaker 1>having an affair with, where he talked about sexually abusing

0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:23.640
<v Speaker 1>children ranging in age from nine to sixteen, and asked

0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:26.160
<v Speaker 1>for her to arrange for him to have sex with

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:27.320
<v Speaker 1>her sixteen year old cousin.

0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:29.640
<v Speaker 3>So this man is very sick.

0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Mill's lawyer said that she told Subboy's corporate about the texts,

0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:38.560
<v Speaker 1>and Subway said, because Fogel was not a Subway.

0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:41.759
<v Speaker 3>Employee, there was no violation. I don't know how he's not.

0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he works for the pr company that Subway hires,

0:56:46.120 --> 0:56:47.520
<v Speaker 1>but he is the face of your company.

0:56:47.520 --> 0:56:48.359
<v Speaker 3>This is really bad.

0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:53.920
<v Speaker 1>The FBI found text messages to a woman in which

0:56:53.960 --> 0:56:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Fogel said he would pay big quote unquote if she

0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:59.319
<v Speaker 1>could procure fourteen year old children and said that he

0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote craved underage Asian girls. And in these texts,

0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:06.920
<v Speaker 1>he also expressed sexual interest in young boys, and a

0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:09.839
<v Speaker 1>recording exists where he does describe.

0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:11.840
<v Speaker 3>To a friend a sexual accounter with a male child.

0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:15.680
<v Speaker 1>So he, I just I feel like it's you don't

0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:18.480
<v Speaker 1>always hear about it being pre pubescent and post pubescent,

0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Like he's into both.

0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:23.520
<v Speaker 3>It sounds like, uh, and I just don't think you

0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:24.280
<v Speaker 3>hear about that as much.

0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:26.439
<v Speaker 1>It's usually like you're into small children, or you're into

0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:29.920
<v Speaker 1>like just young girls, but that have boys that have

0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:35.080
<v Speaker 1>developed past puberty. There were a couple of other allegations

0:57:35.120 --> 0:57:37.919
<v Speaker 1>against Fogel, like he propositioned a girl in Vegas at

0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:40.960
<v Speaker 1>like a convention, but Subway barely investigated it, and.

0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:41.720
<v Speaker 3>Then they assumed.

0:57:42.200 --> 0:57:45.200
<v Speaker 1>It was assumed that when he met his second wife,

0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Katie McLaughlin, that this would curb the pedophile behavior. They

0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:52.720
<v Speaker 1>thought the marriage would keep him quote unquote grounded. Katie

0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:55.440
<v Speaker 1>is his wife who he has two children with. Obviously

0:57:55.520 --> 0:57:58.360
<v Speaker 1>is pissed when the sal comes out, and eventually filed

0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a lawsuit against Subway to get answers about like what

0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:03.960
<v Speaker 1>did you know? When did you know it? Like when

0:58:04.000 --> 0:58:06.320
<v Speaker 1>did people report stuff? Why didn't you investigate?

0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:07.400
<v Speaker 3>Damn?

0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Because you know, subways acting like we found out and

0:58:10.960 --> 0:58:12.320
<v Speaker 2>cut ties go fuck yourself.

0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:13.360
<v Speaker 3>But they knew.

0:58:13.880 --> 0:58:17.720
<v Speaker 1>They admit at one point that one of the investigation,

0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:20.240
<v Speaker 1>one of the allegations, was not properly investigated.

0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:21.520
<v Speaker 3>They're like, we mishandled it.

0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:25.280
<v Speaker 1>But by August of twenty fifteen, federal prosecutors cut a

0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:27.360
<v Speaker 1>deal with Vogel. There is kind of always a deal

0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:31.440
<v Speaker 1>to be had, especially when you're famous white man. He

0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:35.000
<v Speaker 1>pleads guilty to two counts, the distribution and receipt of

0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:38.760
<v Speaker 1>child pornography and one of traveling to engage in illicit

0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:42.120
<v Speaker 1>sexual conduct with a minor, and that stems from trips

0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:44.280
<v Speaker 1>to New York City where he paid to engage in

0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:47.960
<v Speaker 1>sexual acts with a seventeen year old. The FBI investigation

0:58:48.480 --> 0:58:51.560
<v Speaker 1>shows that he arranged his business trips to coincide with

0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:54.840
<v Speaker 1>like meeting underage sex workers, and there were several times

0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:56.440
<v Speaker 1>that he traveled to New York City to engage in

0:58:56.480 --> 0:58:57.600
<v Speaker 1>sex with minors.

0:58:57.320 --> 0:58:58.240
<v Speaker 3>Under the age of eighteen.

0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:01.080
<v Speaker 1>In November of twenty two, well If, he allegedly paid

0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:03.280
<v Speaker 1>a seventeen year old for sexual acts at the Plaza.

0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:05.920
<v Speaker 1>The next day, he asked her ya text if she

0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:09.040
<v Speaker 1>could find him another underage girl quote unquote, the younger

0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:12.360
<v Speaker 1>the better, uh. And then he traveled to New York

0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:14.360
<v Speaker 1>City again in twenty thirteen to have sex with the

0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:16.400
<v Speaker 1>same girl. And then this girl also said that on

0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:18.520
<v Speaker 1>three separate occasions, she's had sex with Fogel when she

0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:23.040
<v Speaker 1>was sixteen, So she's one of his victims. All told,

0:59:23.120 --> 0:59:26.120
<v Speaker 1>he had fourteen victims, both boys and girls. He was

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:29.360
<v Speaker 1>eventually ordered to pay them one point four million dollars

0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in restitution, so about one hundred thousand dollars per victim.

0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:33.920
<v Speaker 3>So I didn't even know this.

0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:40.160
<v Speaker 2>I assumed, I mean that he was just watching child

0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:45.080
<v Speaker 2>abuse images and stuff, but he is legit also raping

0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:45.680
<v Speaker 2>young kids.

0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Well he yeah, he's raping teenagers that are minors for sure.

0:59:50.520 --> 0:59:52.680
<v Speaker 1>And then a lot of the other stuff I think

0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:55.200
<v Speaker 1>was unprovable because it was just him like talking to

0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:58.080
<v Speaker 1>people like oh, yeah I did this, I did that

0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:00.440
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. But maybe they couldn't find the victim more

1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:02.480
<v Speaker 1>like it could have just been him bragging about things

1:00:02.480 --> 1:00:04.439
<v Speaker 1>that didn't happen, or it could have happened, and there

1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:05.160
<v Speaker 1>just is an evidence.

1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:06.439
<v Speaker 3>I really maybe I.

1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Just didn't look into this that deep, but they hid

1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:10.600
<v Speaker 2>that pretty well, like I don't.

1:00:11.080 --> 1:00:13.880
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know this. I remember hearing about the trip

1:00:13.920 --> 1:00:14.439
<v Speaker 3>to New York.

1:00:14.440 --> 1:00:16.640
<v Speaker 1>I remember hearing like, oh, he's sketually like had sex

1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:17.400
<v Speaker 1>with someone in New York.

1:00:17.440 --> 1:00:21.200
<v Speaker 3>But it definitely wasn't. It was one of those things.

1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Where you thought, oh, but he thought the person was

1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:27.959
<v Speaker 1>of age or whatever. Like I just you didn't really

1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:30.840
<v Speaker 1>get an idea of how like truly sick he was

1:00:30.960 --> 1:00:33.920
<v Speaker 1>until I started really looking into this. And much like

1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:36.600
<v Speaker 1>in the SVU episode, he faced up to fifty years

1:00:36.640 --> 1:00:38.520
<v Speaker 1>in prison if he went to trial, but with the

1:00:38.560 --> 1:00:41.520
<v Speaker 1>plea deal, they agreed to seek no more than twelve

1:00:41.560 --> 1:00:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and a half years, with a minimum of five, which

1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Fogel agreed to, and any communication with minors or contact

1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:52.720
<v Speaker 1>had to be supervised, including visits with his own kids

1:00:53.000 --> 1:00:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and his wife was contesting those, and then he would

1:00:56.080 --> 1:00:58.160
<v Speaker 1>have to be registered as a sex offender.

1:00:57.840 --> 1:00:59.600
<v Speaker 3>For the rest of his life and undergo treatment.

1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:03.000
<v Speaker 1>When he entered his plea in November twenty fifteen, so

1:01:03.000 --> 1:01:04.800
<v Speaker 1>this all went pretty fast, Like he was arrested in

1:01:04.880 --> 1:01:07.040
<v Speaker 1>July and he was like entering a guilty plea in

1:01:07.080 --> 1:01:08.080
<v Speaker 1>November of.

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<v Speaker 3>The same year.

1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:11.439
<v Speaker 1>He apologized and said he wanted a chance to become

1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:14.160
<v Speaker 1>quote a good honest person after getting caught up in

1:01:14.200 --> 1:01:17.760
<v Speaker 1>a life of quote deception, lies, and complete self centeredness.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really know if that's getting to the point

1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:23.440
<v Speaker 1>of what you did, but I guess thank you for

1:01:23.520 --> 1:01:28.520
<v Speaker 1>your apology. There was a this is like, I don't know,

1:01:28.600 --> 1:01:31.240
<v Speaker 1>this is like interesting, but I think kind of bullshitty.

1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Like the a forensic psychiatrist who testified for Fogel's defense

1:01:35.480 --> 1:01:38.880
<v Speaker 1>named John Bradford said because Fogels suffered from like a

1:01:38.880 --> 1:01:42.320
<v Speaker 1>compulsive eating disorder for several years before he lost his weight,

1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:46.080
<v Speaker 1>he replaced food with a sense of hyper sexuality, which

1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:50.120
<v Speaker 1>included this guy says, quote unquote mild or weak pedophilia,

1:01:50.880 --> 1:01:52.600
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, I don't know how mild it is,

1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:56.120
<v Speaker 1>like you're fully interested in nine year olds, But okay,

1:01:56.840 --> 1:01:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I guess they consider it if it's post pubescent like

1:01:59.640 --> 1:02:01.720
<v Speaker 1>a we kerb pedophilia, but I don't think that.

1:02:01.560 --> 1:02:03.000
<v Speaker 3>That is valid.

1:02:03.640 --> 1:02:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Fogel ended up getting sentenced to fifteen years and eight

1:02:06.880 --> 1:02:09.120
<v Speaker 1>months in prison, which is three years more than the

1:02:09.120 --> 1:02:11.600
<v Speaker 1>prosecutor asked for, so I think the judge was like,

1:02:12.040 --> 1:02:15.080
<v Speaker 1>this isn't enough. The judge said that quote the level

1:02:15.120 --> 1:02:18.440
<v Speaker 1>of perversion and lawlessness exhibited by mister Fogel is extreme,

1:02:19.720 --> 1:02:22.320
<v Speaker 1>so he has to serve a minimum of thirteen years

1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:26.760
<v Speaker 1>before becoming eligible for time off with good behavior. So

1:02:26.840 --> 1:02:30.160
<v Speaker 1>that means his earliest possible release date is July of

1:02:30.160 --> 1:02:32.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty nine, and that is would be a month

1:02:32.600 --> 1:02:36.480
<v Speaker 1>before his fifty second birthday. And yeah, he's going to

1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:38.520
<v Speaker 1>be on supervisor release for the rest of his life.

1:02:39.000 --> 1:02:41.880
<v Speaker 1>And he tried to appeal the sentence, but it was upheld.

1:02:42.000 --> 1:02:47.680
<v Speaker 1>So that's what happened to the King of Subway, Jared Fogel.

1:02:47.880 --> 1:02:50.760
<v Speaker 2>And I feel like, I wonder if you got protective

1:02:50.800 --> 1:02:54.600
<v Speaker 2>custody or if he's just super famous in jail, because

1:02:54.600 --> 1:02:57.400
<v Speaker 2>there's no way that they didn't like people in jail

1:02:57.440 --> 1:03:00.800
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't know who that is. I know, I know, and

1:03:00.920 --> 1:03:03.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, child molesters famously do not do well in

1:03:03.760 --> 1:03:05.480
<v Speaker 2>prison exactly.

1:03:06.320 --> 1:03:08.600
<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine he's having a very pleasant time.

1:03:08.720 --> 1:03:12.440
<v Speaker 2>But and do we have any updates on his family

1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:13.400
<v Speaker 2>and how they're doing.

1:03:13.920 --> 1:03:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I know that she the wife, his second wife, did

1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:19.200
<v Speaker 1>get seven million dollars in the divorce, so hopefully they

1:03:19.240 --> 1:03:20.960
<v Speaker 1>went and like changed their names and just at like

1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:24.320
<v Speaker 1>living somewhere happily his wife and kids.

1:03:24.360 --> 1:03:25.520
<v Speaker 3>But I just.

1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:29.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like, you know, again, it's not like

1:03:29.040 --> 1:03:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Lisa and I are here to help people get away

1:03:30.880 --> 1:03:31.480
<v Speaker 1>with crimes.

1:03:31.480 --> 1:03:32.200
<v Speaker 3>But it's just like.

1:03:33.800 --> 1:03:36.960
<v Speaker 1>You're talking to people over text about all this stuff.

1:03:36.960 --> 1:03:40.880
<v Speaker 1>You're opening up to random strangers about it. Like, I mean,

1:03:40.920 --> 1:03:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I think this journalist in Sarasota is one of the

1:03:43.240 --> 1:03:45.520
<v Speaker 1>reasons he got taken down, just because she was it

1:03:45.560 --> 1:03:47.480
<v Speaker 1>was easy to get him talking about it, and like

1:03:47.520 --> 1:03:50.960
<v Speaker 1>he just was like, oh yeah, I love being with kids,

1:03:51.000 --> 1:03:54.440
<v Speaker 1>like and just got him to open up, and she

1:03:54.600 --> 1:03:55.680
<v Speaker 1>recorded so much of it.

1:03:55.840 --> 1:03:57.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's arrogance.

1:03:57.360 --> 1:03:59.320
<v Speaker 4>That seems like a very I'm surprised by how light

1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:02.200
<v Speaker 4>a sentence that is for Jared when someone's actually physically

1:04:02.200 --> 1:04:02.840
<v Speaker 4>acting on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think because he only made the plea deal based

1:04:06.840 --> 1:04:09.960
<v Speaker 1>on the relationship in New York, which was a seventeen

1:04:10.000 --> 1:04:11.960
<v Speaker 1>year old girl who said that things happened when it

1:04:12.040 --> 1:04:16.040
<v Speaker 1>was sixteen, but maybe there was no proof, and he

1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:18.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, these guys always say I thought they were eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and like I'm sure jury, like they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>if we bring this to a jury, they might be

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<v Speaker 1>like seventeen eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think obviously he's guilty of other stuff, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>not what was part of the plea deal.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I mean it's not great. It's not great.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I think we'll never know like the extent

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<v Speaker 1>of his crimes really because I don't know. There just

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<v Speaker 1>isn't like a lot of documentation about his other victims.

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<v Speaker 2>But and thank god, Subway just keeps on thriving. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Subway cannot be taken down. Your spokesman is a full

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<v Speaker 2>on pedophile rapist.

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<v Speaker 1>You keep on trucking like it is really crazy what

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<v Speaker 1>a hold on society Subway has, right, Have you had

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<v Speaker 1>the veggie Patty?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it is really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Exist When I was like in my heyday of my

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<v Speaker 1>Subway days.

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<v Speaker 2>And then my friend who I lost to a cult

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<v Speaker 2>called Landmark when we were younger, she would get the

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<v Speaker 2>seafood salad it Subway, and that to me was like

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<v Speaker 2>I should have stopped being friends with her at the

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<v Speaker 2>moment I saw her later.

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<v Speaker 3>That is making my stomach turn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my little brother Colin was such a picky eater

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<v Speaker 1>as a kid. He would only get a six inch tuna,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing on it. No cheese, nothing else, no lettuce, just

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<v Speaker 1>two scoops of tuna in white bread. And if there

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<v Speaker 1>was any black bits inside the tuna, you wouldn't eat it.

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<v Speaker 3>What are black bits like? Anything like a piece of pepper?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, is this Colin? Yeah? This is Colin. Have we

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<v Speaker 3>already talked about this? No, Colin.

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<v Speaker 2>So I met Colin and his fiance and we were

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<v Speaker 2>at dinner and each of them ordered the duck, and

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<v Speaker 2>it bothered me so much. I like confronted them. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, so, you're both going to get the duck.

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<v Speaker 2>You just love duck. Don't you want to share? Don't

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go house? He has, like why are

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<v Speaker 2>you each getting it? You both need that much duck?

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<v Speaker 2>And they're like, yeah, we both want duck. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what to tell you, and I tell you, I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess, yeah, that's that's very You're coming from

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<v Speaker 1>a very me place where I'd be like, oh, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>you want the duck, I'll get the duck, you get

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<v Speaker 1>a pasta, we'll both have a little bit of both,

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, no. They just were both sitting in front

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<v Speaker 1>of me, and then I ordered the octopus. They brought

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<v Speaker 1>me one tentacle, one tentacle for seventeen dollars. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a sad meal to watch Lisa eat. Yeah, to watch

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa eat one tentacle.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a lot. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Megan was like, do you want some of this brand Zeno.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yes, of course. I wouldn't have ordered the

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<v Speaker 1>octopus if it was gonna if I knew one tentacle

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna arrive, Like, I'm fucking sad, little Mermaid.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just it was a bummer. It was a bummer.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what's not a bummer is our interview that is

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<v Speaker 1>coming up. And we're so excited to talk to this person,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll be right back. All right, I'm really excited

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<v Speaker 1>for this interview. We went a little bit out of

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<v Speaker 1>the box this time, guys. We did not talk to

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<v Speaker 1>an actor from the episode. We talked to the writer

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode. Our guest has written on Er the Practice,

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<v Speaker 1>Cold Case Crossing Jordan. She's a former co executive producer

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<v Speaker 1>and writer on Long Order Special Victims Unit and we.

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<v Speaker 3>Were so so privileged to talk to her.

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<v Speaker 1>So, guys, check out our interview with Samantha Corbyn Miller well,

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<v Speaker 1>you did listen to Institutional.

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<v Speaker 2>Fail, which you wrote, and how did you feel about

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<v Speaker 2>what we said?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, are you here to drag us?

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<v Speaker 1>Like we're ready for you to tell us that we're

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<v Speaker 1>completely wrong about everything?

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, you guys.

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<v Speaker 5>You know you guys nailed it. Yeah, I mean, oh ah, solid,

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<v Speaker 5>super solid. I enjoyed it, and I forget how I

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<v Speaker 5>forget exactly. There was a moment you said something about

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<v Speaker 5>Barbara Barbara like coming in here, mister you know you're

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<v Speaker 5>all hot for mister suspenders and you know, representing the patriarchy.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I was on my floor.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it cool to have Whoopy Goldberg say that monologue

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<v Speaker 1>on the stand?

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<v Speaker 5>It was unbelievable. I mean, whoop bee, she's like the

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<v Speaker 5>consummate pro. She just comes in there and knocks it out,

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<v Speaker 5>and to you know, to sort of be sitting back

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<v Speaker 5>and watching.

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<v Speaker 3>Her do her thing was unbelievable. It was unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's funny because at first I was thinking like, huh,

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<v Speaker 5>Whoopy Goldberg, because when you know, when we were first

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<v Speaker 5>writing the episode, I was thinking like, you know, she's

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<v Speaker 5>she's warm, and she's coming and you know, all the

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<v Speaker 5>stuff that you know, we love about Whoopy Goldberg. And

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<v Speaker 5>I was thinking about this like sort of just tight

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<v Speaker 5>you know, start shirt bureaucrat. But you know when when

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<v Speaker 5>the casting folks and Warren were like, hey what about

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<v Speaker 5>whoop Bee, I was like, oh, okay, like it just

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<v Speaker 5>put it literally, she she dimensionalized the role and the idea,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, so so much more by being part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk about how like the show really does great

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<v Speaker 1>things by like turning comedians like on their heads kind

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<v Speaker 1>of and making them like creepy or sort of more

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<v Speaker 1>bureaucratic or like, you know, different things that when they

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<v Speaker 1>when they cast comedians, it's like never what you expect.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, And I think, you know, people are so

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<v Speaker 5>game for that challenge. You know, the same with with

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<v Speaker 5>so many of these Broadway superstars. I mean talk about

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<v Speaker 5>having this amazing uh you know, well of talent to

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<v Speaker 5>pick from, you know, having done most of the shows

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<v Speaker 5>I've worked on have been in LA so you know,

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<v Speaker 5>to spend those years in New York and to have

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<v Speaker 5>this whole new pool of incredible actors, you know, so

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<v Speaker 5>many with that theater training, it was just like it

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<v Speaker 5>was like being a kind of candy store.

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<v Speaker 3>Was so great.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Broadway, one of the episodes you wrote, the

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<v Speaker 1>Agent Provocateur, Did you know it was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>Patty Lapone or was it like a whoopee thing where

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<v Speaker 1>they tell you after how did that work out?

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<v Speaker 3>Same same thing? Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 5>It was after and definitely when we knew it was

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<v Speaker 5>it was mss Diva Patti La the one, the only Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that's that's when we were like, Okay, we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>start putting out, you know, rewrite pages because we need more.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. Well, so can you tell us a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about like your background. Obviously we've like looked you

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<v Speaker 1>up and you worked on season three as a consulting

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<v Speaker 1>producer and then you came back later on seasons sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>and seventeen as a as an ep So, like, I

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<v Speaker 1>just like, how what was your Did you know Neil

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<v Speaker 1>Bher from Er, Like we just want to know how

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<v Speaker 1>you got like into the SVU universe and like what's

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<v Speaker 1>your backstory?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, it's cool. I never thought i'd be a universe.

1:11:00.760 --> 1:11:03.040
<v Speaker 5>You know, I don't I don't do capes, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't do tights.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I knew Neil from Er, you know, he was

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<v Speaker 5>my my doctor sense. That was my you know kind

1:11:12.840 --> 1:11:17.080
<v Speaker 5>of jump into into the big time. Was I started

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<v Speaker 5>as a staff writer on Er and he graciously brought

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<v Speaker 5>me into uh SVU.

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<v Speaker 3>To help out.

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<v Speaker 5>I actually had a commitment over at Universal, so I

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't able to support of jump on full time as

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<v Speaker 5>as I would have loved to, you know, but I

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<v Speaker 5>came in. I helped on a couple of episodes and

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<v Speaker 5>just you know, fell in love with the world and

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<v Speaker 5>the voice and of course Olivia Benson and uh you

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<v Speaker 5>know then sort of went around the maypole for many,

1:11:48.479 --> 1:11:52.040
<v Speaker 5>you know, many years. And I mean that's the great

1:11:52.080 --> 1:11:55.320
<v Speaker 5>thing about like SVU is you can literally have an

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<v Speaker 5>entire lifetime and come.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to sv still gonna be there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we got into this a little bit with Neil,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am sort of interested in like the writer's

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<v Speaker 1>room process, maybe just as a writer. I'm I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting how you guys do things, because because the

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<v Speaker 1>episodes are so sort of compartmentalized, but then there will

1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:16.800
<v Speaker 1>be these like story arcs, like I think one of

1:12:16.840 --> 1:12:19.760
<v Speaker 1>your seasons is like when Benson gets Noah, or like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's all these overarching things that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>do continue.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the course of a season.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you guys sit together at the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 1>season and say, Okay, this is what's going to happen

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<v Speaker 1>overall generally, but then go off and write your own episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you break story together in the room? Like how

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<v Speaker 1>does it work?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean SPU is a really interesting animal. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>it's such a well oiled machine. And it's not really

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<v Speaker 5>a room show. It's a lot more kind of independent study.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we had you know, kind of bullpen areas

1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:55.320
<v Speaker 5>where you know, we'd chop it up and talk with

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<v Speaker 5>each other. But it isn't that traditional. We're all sitting

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<v Speaker 5>in a room, you know, eight hours a day, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>breaking stories as a group. But it's really we'd always be,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, generating ideas and keeping up with stories you know,

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<v Speaker 5>in the outside world. And basically we'd come in and

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<v Speaker 5>pitch them to Warren, like the showrunner, you know, and

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<v Speaker 5>he'd have his ideas of stories he wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do, and i mean, you know, you your number would

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<v Speaker 3>be called.

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<v Speaker 5>When your number was called, and you know, suddenly out

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<v Speaker 5>of the blue, you know, literally would be like, hey, Samantha,

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<v Speaker 5>you're doing the episode in this case, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 5>you're doing the Jared from Subway episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So did they like, were you guys like we got

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<v Speaker 1>to take down? Hey Abraham, how are we going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it? Or you're like, Okay, we're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>this storyline. Who in the universe are we going to take?

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<v Speaker 3>How did it? Yeah? How did it come about?

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<v Speaker 6>That?

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<v Speaker 5>It was him that that was actually the second version.

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<v Speaker 5>We came up with this idea, and you know a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of times the the source material, you know that

1:13:58.120 --> 1:14:01.840
<v Speaker 5>the rip from the headlines is obscure, and it's also

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<v Speaker 5>never like a one trick pony like, it's never like

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<v Speaker 5>this is the story of X, Y and Z from

1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:12.679
<v Speaker 5>beginning to end. So we sort of use the Jared

1:14:13.439 --> 1:14:17.360
<v Speaker 5>as a jump off. But then what was really interesting

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<v Speaker 5>that I wanted to explore was the idea of all

1:14:21.640 --> 1:14:23.719
<v Speaker 5>the people who are left behind. I mean it's literally

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<v Speaker 5>in the title like collateral damages all the people you

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<v Speaker 5>don't think about, you know, when you hear someone's being

1:14:29.280 --> 1:14:32.000
<v Speaker 5>dragged off in cuffs and you know, some high profile

1:14:32.120 --> 1:14:34.960
<v Speaker 5>case and it's like, you know, they have wives, they

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<v Speaker 5>have children, they have you know.

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<v Speaker 3>All these people and how do they deal with that?

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<v Speaker 3>And we talked about how could.

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<v Speaker 5>We do that story and make it really impactful, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>and so we feel through our characters who we care

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<v Speaker 5>about that they would be impacted in that same kind

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<v Speaker 5>of way, and in a way, they too are those

1:14:58.320 --> 1:15:04.000
<v Speaker 5>collateral damages. And you know, it was actually Warren who

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<v Speaker 5>had the great idea of like, why don't we make

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<v Speaker 5>it Hank Abraham, And once again.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, but that guy is such a prick, right.

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<v Speaker 5>That was kind of like, so he's he's you know,

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<v Speaker 5>he's been elevated from prick to you know, child child

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<v Speaker 5>pornography enthusiast.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, Okay, it's not as much of a jump, but

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<v Speaker 3>I liked.

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<v Speaker 5>It in that way of you know, I feel like

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<v Speaker 5>we've seen the like, oh he's the nice guy, he's

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<v Speaker 5>the you know, beloved coach or the beloved whatever, and

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<v Speaker 5>oh he has this horrible secret. But there was like

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<v Speaker 5>an extra once again, just like with that that wold

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<v Speaker 5>be casting decision in Institutional Fail. It was that one

1:15:46.040 --> 1:15:48.639
<v Speaker 5>little bit of extra that that made it a lot

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<v Speaker 5>more real and a lot more interesting, which is this

1:15:51.600 --> 1:15:58.560
<v Speaker 5>is that you know, uh, this this blowhard bureaucrat asshole

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<v Speaker 5>that we all had to deal with.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we have that person in our lives. But

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<v Speaker 3>yet and still, you know, yet, I still you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for all the.

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<v Speaker 5>Annoyance that this person might cause, you cannot believe that

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<v Speaker 5>they're involved with something like this.

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<v Speaker 1>And it humanizes him marrying him with Pippa Cox, right, like,

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<v Speaker 1>because she's pretty much was liked there was she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have any like bad. She's like the other the softer

1:16:23.600 --> 1:16:24.479
<v Speaker 1>side of this man.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that was I thought it was really interesting

1:16:30.040 --> 1:16:32.240
<v Speaker 1>how it went with him too, and like the various

1:16:32.320 --> 1:16:34.320
<v Speaker 1>phases of him being like, get out of here.

1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:35.400
<v Speaker 3>You guys got nothing.

1:16:35.240 --> 1:16:38.520
<v Speaker 1>On me, and then him being like, Okay, I'm in rehab,

1:16:38.640 --> 1:16:41.559
<v Speaker 1>so I'm I'm admitting it, but I did, I'm getting help,

1:16:41.680 --> 1:16:43.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, like, and then all the way to like

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<v Speaker 1>utter despair when he realizes that his life. You know,

1:16:46.400 --> 1:16:48.280
<v Speaker 1>he really just like kind of played through a lot

1:16:48.280 --> 1:16:49.240
<v Speaker 1>of cycles there, and.

1:16:49.280 --> 1:16:50.519
<v Speaker 3>His acting was so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you do feel a little bit even though he

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<v Speaker 1>is this prick for all these other episodes and in

1:16:54.439 --> 1:16:57.559
<v Speaker 1>this one too, initially, like you do sort of feel

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<v Speaker 1>for him a little bit even though he's guilty and

1:16:59.680 --> 1:17:02.559
<v Speaker 1>he's because you see these kids and this wife and

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<v Speaker 1>the collateral damages as you were saying.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, he definitely took us through the stages of

1:17:08.840 --> 1:17:11.720
<v Speaker 5>asshole grief, very very beautifully.

1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:13.040
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

1:17:13.280 --> 1:17:17.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and you know, and so much of so many

1:17:17.640 --> 1:17:23.680
<v Speaker 5>of those details actually came out of, you know, researching

1:17:24.000 --> 1:17:29.720
<v Speaker 5>families that had gone through, you know, similar situations.

1:17:30.880 --> 1:17:34.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, even that moment of the little.

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<v Speaker 5>Girl, you know when she sees the police dog and

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<v Speaker 5>wants to pet the police dog because for her, all

1:17:38.800 --> 1:17:39.799
<v Speaker 5>she knows is, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Here are a bunch of people in the house and

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<v Speaker 3>they brought it dog. Great. You know, she has no

1:17:43.000 --> 1:17:46.080
<v Speaker 3>idea that you know, her world has just exploded.

1:17:46.800 --> 1:17:50.719
<v Speaker 1>In the pitching process or during stuff. Is there anything

1:17:50.760 --> 1:17:55.160
<v Speaker 1>you fought hard for that entered into an episode or

1:17:55.240 --> 1:17:57.559
<v Speaker 1>things that you really fought for and wanted that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>turn out in an episode.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the first ideas I came in with was

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<v Speaker 5>I really wanted to do the sort of over the

1:18:09.680 --> 1:18:12.920
<v Speaker 5>top method actor who might be a creep, you know,

1:18:13.280 --> 1:18:17.200
<v Speaker 5>James Franco, Shilah Boof. I wanted to do it so badly,

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<v Speaker 5>and that was one of those ones that I kept

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<v Speaker 5>being like, so now can we And I guess maybe

1:18:23.320 --> 1:18:25.680
<v Speaker 5>I'd beat him down long enough that that finally we

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<v Speaker 5>got to do it an agent provocateur.

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<v Speaker 3>But that that one, that one was like, my it's

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<v Speaker 3>like I wouldn't let it go. I was like a dog.

1:18:33.520 --> 1:18:35.720
<v Speaker 3>I loved the bone with that one.

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<v Speaker 1>You as a writer, were you were you on set

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<v Speaker 1>for shooting or like, did you ever like collaborate with

1:18:41.600 --> 1:18:43.439
<v Speaker 1>like the directors or the actors or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>or was it just like you hand in your scripts

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<v Speaker 1>and then you see what happens.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh? No, it was it was full on, like pre

1:18:49.640 --> 1:18:53.559
<v Speaker 5>pre production through shooting. You're you are very much on set,

1:18:53.720 --> 1:18:56.679
<v Speaker 5>which oftentimes is you know, in some.

1:18:56.640 --> 1:19:03.800
<v Speaker 3>Blow zero were house, Yeah, like less than savory location. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I found out real quick coming from Los Angeles that

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<v Speaker 5>those big Canadian or Canada goose coats aren't aren't just

1:19:12.360 --> 1:19:18.000
<v Speaker 5>for Drake anymore. They are like nessary. I totally got roasted.

1:19:18.080 --> 1:19:20.200
<v Speaker 5>Like the first day I showed up on set with

1:19:20.240 --> 1:19:24.200
<v Speaker 5>like basically the California version of a winter coat, and

1:19:24.360 --> 1:19:27.240
<v Speaker 5>the entire crew is just like it's this lightweight. So

1:19:28.720 --> 1:19:32.040
<v Speaker 5>so yeah, I mean that's that's one of the joys

1:19:32.160 --> 1:19:35.679
<v Speaker 5>of working on SVU is not only are you there

1:19:36.400 --> 1:19:39.439
<v Speaker 5>you know for the entire run. I mean you're on

1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:43.800
<v Speaker 5>set for every minute of your shoot. But you know,

1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:47.640
<v Speaker 5>just the fact that the show has such access to

1:19:48.160 --> 1:19:52.360
<v Speaker 5>amazing locations all around New York and the location managers

1:19:52.360 --> 1:19:56.160
<v Speaker 5>are amazing and they find these, you know, these hidden gems.

1:19:56.200 --> 1:19:58.360
<v Speaker 5>So it's like even just going on a location scout

1:19:58.439 --> 1:20:02.680
<v Speaker 5>for this shoot is like some you know, Atlas Obscura,

1:20:03.080 --> 1:20:05.519
<v Speaker 5>like you know, behind the scenes. I mean, I've been

1:20:05.560 --> 1:20:10.240
<v Speaker 5>in like weird underground temples. I've been in one hundred

1:20:10.520 --> 1:20:15.600
<v Speaker 5>story you know, one hundred million dollar penthouses, you know.

1:20:15.680 --> 1:20:19.680
<v Speaker 5>And what's incredible is people will open up these you know,

1:20:19.760 --> 1:20:24.280
<v Speaker 5>these very sort of private or deluxe spaces because the

1:20:24.360 --> 1:20:27.439
<v Speaker 5>show has such cachet, you know, so it's like you're

1:20:27.439 --> 1:20:29.320
<v Speaker 5>walking through someone's penthouse and.

1:20:29.200 --> 1:20:31.519
<v Speaker 3>You know, they make you put on booties and you know,

1:20:31.600 --> 1:20:32.720
<v Speaker 3>a tithek.

1:20:32.400 --> 1:20:34.920
<v Speaker 5>Suit to you know, because so you don't put your

1:20:35.000 --> 1:20:38.439
<v Speaker 5>your crew cooties on their their fabulus stuff. And you're

1:20:38.479 --> 1:20:41.120
<v Speaker 5>walking through and you're like, oh, there's an original Warhol,

1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:44.479
<v Speaker 5>Oh there's a rock coat, like and they're just like, here,

1:20:44.680 --> 1:20:47.000
<v Speaker 5>please put put this on your show so I can

1:20:47.120 --> 1:20:48.519
<v Speaker 5>talk about it at the country club.

1:20:48.640 --> 1:20:50.040
<v Speaker 3>Like it's it's unbelievable.

1:20:50.439 --> 1:20:52.439
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, that's I'm glad you said that because we

1:20:52.560 --> 1:20:54.960
<v Speaker 2>just covered Identity from one of the earlier seasons and

1:20:55.000 --> 1:20:57.280
<v Speaker 2>I noticed this cool painting in one of the houses,

1:20:57.320 --> 1:20:58.160
<v Speaker 2>and now I like.

1:20:58.200 --> 1:21:00.559
<v Speaker 3>To know that it could be a real home with

1:21:00.880 --> 1:21:02.960
<v Speaker 3>real art. Yeah, it excites me.

1:21:03.200 --> 1:21:05.200
<v Speaker 5>I mean if they can clear it, you know, because

1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:07.640
<v Speaker 5>a lot of that stuff you can't get legal clearance for,

1:21:07.920 --> 1:21:14.519
<v Speaker 5>so our art department, those guys are just they're so good.

1:21:14.720 --> 1:21:18.120
<v Speaker 5>They're so good at like mocking up dupes and you

1:21:18.160 --> 1:21:20.679
<v Speaker 5>know they always put some Easter eggs too, and there's

1:21:20.720 --> 1:21:24.080
<v Speaker 5>like posters in the background and stuff like that.

1:21:24.640 --> 1:21:27.679
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you, because obviously we're comedians. We there's

1:21:27.720 --> 1:21:30.519
<v Speaker 1>something about us for you that we love. How funny

1:21:30.560 --> 1:21:32.519
<v Speaker 1>it is, Like, I mean, it almost has to have

1:21:32.600 --> 1:21:35.439
<v Speaker 1>comedy in it, because otherwise it's it would the subject

1:21:35.439 --> 1:21:39.160
<v Speaker 1>matter would crush you. So how do you how do

1:21:39.160 --> 1:21:41.719
<v Speaker 1>you navigate that? Like, as a writer, are you just like, oh,

1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:43.519
<v Speaker 1>we need to throw a joke in this scene, this

1:21:43.600 --> 1:21:46.000
<v Speaker 1>is like too this is too much, or like how

1:21:46.000 --> 1:21:49.000
<v Speaker 1>do you you know? I'm sure the writers consciously like

1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:51.160
<v Speaker 1>have that in mind, and there's definitely like a voice

1:21:51.200 --> 1:21:52.880
<v Speaker 1>to the show that has a little bit of you

1:21:52.880 --> 1:21:55.320
<v Speaker 1>know that munch or even like in the Mothership the

1:21:55.400 --> 1:21:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Orbach little quips and stuff, and then you were

1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:01.519
<v Speaker 1>in later seasons with like Barb always has you know,

1:22:01.600 --> 1:22:04.120
<v Speaker 1>some funny lines. Yeah, I was just wondering, how do

1:22:04.160 --> 1:22:06.959
<v Speaker 1>you guys balance that out the heavy stuff and the jokery.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's it's funny because I've found over the years,

1:22:12.120 --> 1:22:16.120
<v Speaker 5>just hanging out with writers of all stripes that as

1:22:16.160 --> 1:22:21.840
<v Speaker 5>a general rule, drama writers tend to be hysterical and comedy.

1:22:21.400 --> 1:22:24.599
<v Speaker 3>Writers not so much off the clock.

1:22:24.680 --> 1:22:26.360
<v Speaker 5>And I think it's probably because they leave it all

1:22:26.400 --> 1:22:28.840
<v Speaker 5>in the field and because you know, their hours are

1:22:28.880 --> 1:22:31.920
<v Speaker 5>so crushing, and it's you know, like a gladiator, you know,

1:22:32.439 --> 1:22:34.440
<v Speaker 5>match in their writer's.

1:22:34.160 --> 1:22:36.479
<v Speaker 3>Rooms to you know, come up with the best joke.

1:22:36.560 --> 1:22:40.479
<v Speaker 5>But I've done some dark shows and the writers on

1:22:40.560 --> 1:22:44.240
<v Speaker 5>these dark shows tend to be really funny, so it's

1:22:44.320 --> 1:22:48.080
<v Speaker 5>usually not so hard to find the voice of the humor.

1:22:48.160 --> 1:22:52.839
<v Speaker 5>But like you say, it's it really is about where,

1:22:52.920 --> 1:22:55.200
<v Speaker 5>you know, where is it appropriate to have this moment

1:22:55.240 --> 1:22:59.160
<v Speaker 5>and have this joke. The good news is I feel

1:22:59.200 --> 1:23:03.880
<v Speaker 5>like there's enough moments that are kind of outside direct

1:23:04.280 --> 1:23:07.400
<v Speaker 5>victim involvement on the show that it's like, you know,

1:23:07.439 --> 1:23:10.840
<v Speaker 5>you can have those. I mean, especially with Barba, like

1:23:10.920 --> 1:23:13.920
<v Speaker 5>writing for writing for Raoul.

1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Is that it's one of the best things I've ever

1:23:17.800 --> 1:23:20.519
<v Speaker 3>done in my life. I love that man. I love

1:23:20.680 --> 1:23:22.280
<v Speaker 3>putting words in his mouth.

1:23:23.800 --> 1:23:28.839
<v Speaker 5>He's crazy, like he's a super well educated like on

1:23:28.840 --> 1:23:31.639
<v Speaker 5>on set when everyone else is just sitting around bullshitting

1:23:31.760 --> 1:23:34.400
<v Speaker 5>looking at their Instagram this and that. It's like he

1:23:34.439 --> 1:23:38.760
<v Speaker 5>would have these like leather bound, dusty books that look

1:23:38.880 --> 1:23:41.439
<v Speaker 5>like they you know, came from you know, a crypt

1:23:41.520 --> 1:23:45.240
<v Speaker 5>of a Latin monastery somewhere, reading that shit for fun

1:23:45.520 --> 1:23:49.080
<v Speaker 5>like nicest chillish dude in the room, but like super smart.

1:23:50.000 --> 1:23:55.280
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, and can memorize just pages of dense legal

1:23:55.439 --> 1:23:58.200
<v Speaker 5>dialogue and just like nail it and give you colors

1:23:58.360 --> 1:24:01.759
<v Speaker 5>and all this stuff. So yeah, so writing a writing

1:24:01.800 --> 1:24:05.600
<v Speaker 5>a Quippi barber line that actually ends up in a

1:24:05.640 --> 1:24:07.800
<v Speaker 5>script that's always like the highest of.

1:24:07.920 --> 1:24:12.599
<v Speaker 3>You know, honor. But you know, all all all those cats,

1:24:12.680 --> 1:24:15.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know careesis.

1:24:15.160 --> 1:24:18.719
<v Speaker 5>Also, I love writing for Skin of you know, because

1:24:20.000 --> 1:24:22.719
<v Speaker 5>you know he can deliver the funny without saying a word.

1:24:22.840 --> 1:24:25.200
<v Speaker 5>You know, he just he just has a look a lot,

1:24:25.320 --> 1:24:29.360
<v Speaker 5>you know, a thing, and then Ice is the quip master,

1:24:29.520 --> 1:24:30.040
<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean.

1:24:30.080 --> 1:24:32.240
<v Speaker 3>It's like he's completely quiet.

1:24:31.840 --> 1:24:34.120
<v Speaker 5>Through an entire scene and then you just put that

1:24:34.240 --> 1:24:36.840
<v Speaker 5>Ice button at the end of the scene that like one,

1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:39.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, it's like everyone's talking like all their you know,

1:24:40.479 --> 1:24:43.880
<v Speaker 5>legalistic mumbo jumbo, and then he just nails it like

1:24:43.960 --> 1:24:49.519
<v Speaker 5>that some bullshit and it's like, you know, I think

1:24:49.600 --> 1:24:53.240
<v Speaker 5>the best part of being on that set. I mean

1:24:53.560 --> 1:24:57.120
<v Speaker 5>it's for real, like it is a kind of warm,

1:24:57.520 --> 1:25:02.400
<v Speaker 5>tight family atmosphere. One of the things that I always

1:25:02.439 --> 1:25:04.440
<v Speaker 5>appreciate about Marishko.

1:25:04.600 --> 1:25:06.600
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate a lot of things about Marishka.

1:25:07.560 --> 1:25:11.559
<v Speaker 5>First of all, she you know, this is this is

1:25:11.560 --> 1:25:14.599
<v Speaker 5>her set, her show, and it's the responsibility that she

1:25:14.640 --> 1:25:20.280
<v Speaker 5>doesn't take lightly. And she knows these scripts up down

1:25:20.320 --> 1:25:23.000
<v Speaker 5>in center, and it's always kind of scary as a

1:25:23.040 --> 1:25:25.200
<v Speaker 5>writer when she pulls you aside and wants to ask

1:25:25.240 --> 1:25:28.160
<v Speaker 5>something about the script, because it's like, you know, she's

1:25:28.200 --> 1:25:30.640
<v Speaker 5>found something and you know she's going to have a

1:25:30.640 --> 1:25:32.800
<v Speaker 5>good point and then it's like, oh, I hope I

1:25:32.800 --> 1:25:35.800
<v Speaker 5>didn't screw it up too bad. But on the on

1:25:35.880 --> 1:25:38.080
<v Speaker 5>the other side, you know, but that goes to that

1:25:38.160 --> 1:25:41.200
<v Speaker 5>professionalism you know, because I mean, how many people would

1:25:41.240 --> 1:25:43.760
<v Speaker 5>be phoning it in at this point in time. She's

1:25:44.080 --> 1:25:47.160
<v Speaker 5>absolutely not phoning it in. She brings the intensity, she

1:25:47.200 --> 1:25:49.280
<v Speaker 5>brings the care to the work. But the one thing

1:25:49.320 --> 1:25:54.000
<v Speaker 5>that I always found so lovely about her is that

1:25:54.040 --> 1:25:58.760
<v Speaker 5>whenever there was guest cast, she would make it a

1:25:58.880 --> 1:26:02.679
<v Speaker 5>point to, you know, really bring that person in, make

1:26:02.720 --> 1:26:06.439
<v Speaker 5>sure they were comfortable, kind of get them acclimated, because

1:26:06.439 --> 1:26:08.400
<v Speaker 5>when you think about it, I mean talk about coming

1:26:08.439 --> 1:26:10.160
<v Speaker 5>in on the first day of school, It's like you're

1:26:10.200 --> 1:26:12.320
<v Speaker 5>coming into this well oiled machine.

1:26:12.560 --> 1:26:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Everyone knows everyone, everyone.

1:26:14.160 --> 1:26:17.120
<v Speaker 5>Knows what's going on, and you're this guest actor, you know,

1:26:17.240 --> 1:26:19.680
<v Speaker 5>coming in for a couple of days of work. But

1:26:19.720 --> 1:26:23.920
<v Speaker 5>she never lost sight of their comfort and bringing them in,

1:26:23.960 --> 1:26:27.519
<v Speaker 5>which I thought was really cool. And then Ice, I

1:26:27.560 --> 1:26:31.720
<v Speaker 5>mean that guy, it's literally you want to just be

1:26:31.800 --> 1:26:34.799
<v Speaker 5>sitting at video Village, which are like the director's chairs

1:26:34.880 --> 1:26:38.640
<v Speaker 5>that are kind of around the monitors where the director

1:26:38.760 --> 1:26:42.599
<v Speaker 5>and the script supervisor and you know, the writers sit

1:26:42.720 --> 1:26:47.000
<v Speaker 5>and watch while the show is actually being filmed, and

1:26:47.120 --> 1:26:50.120
<v Speaker 5>usually the actors will hang out there as well if

1:26:50.120 --> 1:26:54.559
<v Speaker 5>they're in the next scene or whatever. And it was

1:26:54.640 --> 1:26:57.160
<v Speaker 5>always the best when Ice would hang out because he

1:26:57.240 --> 1:27:00.360
<v Speaker 5>always had great stories of like back in.

1:27:00.120 --> 1:27:02.160
<v Speaker 3>The day and you know, his.

1:27:02.120 --> 1:27:05.240
<v Speaker 5>Journey and the rap game and this and that, and

1:27:05.360 --> 1:27:07.880
<v Speaker 5>like he always had a philosophy on what was going

1:27:07.920 --> 1:27:09.960
<v Speaker 5>on in the world, and like it was always just

1:27:10.080 --> 1:27:13.120
<v Speaker 5>like I'm just going to sit back and like this

1:27:13.200 --> 1:27:15.640
<v Speaker 5>is going to drop some knowledge and it's going to

1:27:15.680 --> 1:27:16.160
<v Speaker 5>be read.

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<v Speaker 1>So can we ask you, Like this is a little

1:27:19.720 --> 1:27:21.640
<v Speaker 1>bit of a silly question, but just for your we

1:27:21.720 --> 1:27:24.880
<v Speaker 1>just want your opinion. Who do you think is Benson's

1:27:25.560 --> 1:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>romantic match, Like do you think that I mean, obviously,

1:27:29.280 --> 1:27:32.200
<v Speaker 1>now spoiler he has passed, but Ed Tucker. A lot

1:27:32.240 --> 1:27:35.120
<v Speaker 1>of people liked her with Ed Tucker, obviously Maloney, some

1:27:35.160 --> 1:27:38.360
<v Speaker 1>people wanted her with Barbara, but I personally never saw

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<v Speaker 1>that as a thing with them.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, do you have any thoughts?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, It's like I don't I don't need the

1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:53.680
<v Speaker 5>Stabler hive coming after me. I mean, you know, you know,

1:27:53.960 --> 1:27:55.719
<v Speaker 5>I value my life.

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<v Speaker 1>No. I think it's actually pretty common for people to

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<v Speaker 1>say that they don't want Benson and Stabler together.

1:28:00.560 --> 1:28:02.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't think people will come for you. Don't worry

1:28:02.320 --> 1:28:03.040
<v Speaker 3>interesting it.

1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:05.639
<v Speaker 1>People are like some people are like make it happen,

1:28:05.640 --> 1:28:08.000
<v Speaker 1>and then other people are like, she deserves better.

1:28:07.840 --> 1:28:10.679
<v Speaker 3>He's toxic. So we get a lot of both sides

1:28:10.720 --> 1:28:11.280
<v Speaker 3>from people.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I got to say I was I was pretty

1:28:16.320 --> 1:28:19.720
<v Speaker 5>sweet on the Tucker of it all. I felt like

1:28:19.800 --> 1:28:22.120
<v Speaker 5>they were a good match. I felt like, you know,

1:28:22.200 --> 1:28:26.080
<v Speaker 5>they'd gone through some stuff, but he learned, he grew,

1:28:27.479 --> 1:28:29.840
<v Speaker 5>and I felt like he was like he wasn't man

1:28:29.960 --> 1:28:31.439
<v Speaker 5>enough for her, like you know.

1:28:31.479 --> 1:28:34.040
<v Speaker 3>It's like Barbara. I feel like that that.

1:28:33.960 --> 1:28:38.000
<v Speaker 5>Could be a fun, fun fling in Paris, you know,

1:28:38.280 --> 1:28:40.519
<v Speaker 5>maybe like a long weekend in Paris with Barbara.

1:28:40.680 --> 1:28:43.360
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, long, long term. I don't know that I

1:28:43.400 --> 1:28:43.960
<v Speaker 3>see that one.

1:28:44.560 --> 1:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, at the end of your episode, Claudal d Images,

1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I think, is that the first time we know that

1:28:49.040 --> 1:28:51.360
<v Speaker 1>there's something with with Tucker and Olivia.

1:28:51.680 --> 1:28:54.879
<v Speaker 3>I believe they link of the arms.

1:28:55.040 --> 1:28:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know that was you started people down a

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<v Speaker 1>path there. You have a show that you wrote on

1:29:01.240 --> 1:29:04.479
<v Speaker 1>that's on air right now, one is filming and then

1:29:04.520 --> 1:29:05.639
<v Speaker 1>one is in pre production.

1:29:05.920 --> 1:29:07.479
<v Speaker 3>Is that correct? Yeah?

1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:10.040
<v Speaker 5>I let's say sometimes they put the put that pre

1:29:10.080 --> 1:29:13.640
<v Speaker 5>production thing on IMDb. I actually have I have a

1:29:13.720 --> 1:29:18.680
<v Speaker 5>couple pilots I'm working on that are in contention, uh

1:29:18.880 --> 1:29:23.240
<v Speaker 5>for a couple streamers. And yeah, and just wrapped on

1:29:23.520 --> 1:29:25.600
<v Speaker 5>another NBC show called.

1:29:25.400 --> 1:29:28.240
<v Speaker 1>Debris, and that's like more of a sci fi show, right,

1:29:28.640 --> 1:29:31.040
<v Speaker 1>that's that's a sci fi investigation show.

1:29:31.120 --> 1:29:31.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:29:31.640 --> 1:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so you're still using your like procedural muscles,

1:29:35.560 --> 1:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>but it's like a little bit more out of this world.

1:29:39.840 --> 1:29:43.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah it is. It is hell weird. It is Hello weird.

1:29:43.560 --> 1:29:50.280
<v Speaker 3>That show. Oh my god. I love Samantha. I want

1:29:50.280 --> 1:29:51.280
<v Speaker 3>her to be my mentor.

1:29:51.560 --> 1:29:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I love getting inside scoop and I love talking to

1:29:54.280 --> 1:29:59.080
<v Speaker 2>people with amazing work ethics. Like I've really noticed this.

1:29:59.160 --> 1:30:01.200
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, people are working, and that's why

1:30:01.200 --> 1:30:07.000
<v Speaker 2>they have money. Interesting. Interesting, Like it's almost like correlation,

1:30:08.800 --> 1:30:12.559
<v Speaker 2>but it is. And yeah, she was incredible, and I'm

1:30:12.600 --> 1:30:15.599
<v Speaker 2>also grateful she told us about Jared from Subway.

1:30:16.040 --> 1:30:16.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:30:16.360 --> 1:30:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Let's be honest, that was an exciting not an exciting crime,

1:30:21.479 --> 1:30:25.640
<v Speaker 1>let's like you cut that JK, but a famous, you know,

1:30:25.800 --> 1:30:27.840
<v Speaker 1>in the in the I type crime.

1:30:28.320 --> 1:30:29.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean it's it's one of those.

1:30:29.880 --> 1:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>It's one of these crimes where like I'm surprised I

1:30:32.040 --> 1:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>hadn't actually like looked into it more deeply or like

1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:36.600
<v Speaker 1>read a in depth New York Times piece about it

1:30:36.720 --> 1:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>or something. I just kind of knew in general that

1:30:39.200 --> 1:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>he was a creep, and I didn't really know any

1:30:41.280 --> 1:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>of the details.

1:30:42.040 --> 1:30:44.000
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know.

1:30:44.040 --> 1:30:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I can't say I'm glad I know them now, but

1:30:46.240 --> 1:30:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I do know them now, and unfortunately I am craving subway,

1:30:51.479 --> 1:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Like I want a tuna sandwich. It could be fake

1:30:55.240 --> 1:30:57.519
<v Speaker 1>tuna and Jim Matts in the bread. I want it

1:30:57.600 --> 1:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>so bad right now, with pepper jack cheese and those

1:31:00.000 --> 1:31:03.680
<v Speaker 1>little banana peppers, Like, give it to me, I know.

1:31:03.720 --> 1:31:05.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm like part of me is like, if I ever

1:31:05.160 --> 1:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>give up my almost fourteen year streak as a vegetarian,

1:31:08.720 --> 1:31:10.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, will I go straight back to a BMT

1:31:10.760 --> 1:31:13.040
<v Speaker 1>in some way and just eat a stack of Deli

1:31:13.080 --> 1:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>meat slathered in mayo?

1:31:14.600 --> 1:31:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Wait?

1:31:15.400 --> 1:31:18.640
<v Speaker 2>If you give up vegetarianism, like I want to go

1:31:18.760 --> 1:31:24.040
<v Speaker 2>out and do like burgers or like steak or yeah,

1:31:24.160 --> 1:31:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I would rather Yeah. I don't think cold cut sandwich

1:31:27.080 --> 1:31:28.840
<v Speaker 2>is what you're going to break your vegetarians.

1:31:28.960 --> 1:31:31.400
<v Speaker 3>We You're right, that's not how we're going to celebrate it.

1:31:31.479 --> 1:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, fucking go to Mastros, bitch, No, for sure,

1:31:35.240 --> 1:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>And I would go to Mastros anyway, because I thought

1:31:36.880 --> 1:31:37.920
<v Speaker 1>their sides are dope.

1:31:38.000 --> 1:31:40.200
<v Speaker 2>I've never been. I've wanted to go because they have

1:31:40.280 --> 1:31:41.680
<v Speaker 2>lobster mashed potatoes.

1:31:42.200 --> 1:31:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Let's go for your birthday. Yeah, I was just about

1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:44.160
<v Speaker 3>to the.

1:31:44.280 --> 1:31:47.559
<v Speaker 1>S Yes, yes, yes, all right, Well, I everywhere we go,

1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:49.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of I am one of those bad people

1:31:49.640 --> 1:31:51.679
<v Speaker 1>that are obsessed with my own birthday and I think

1:31:51.720 --> 1:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>about it for months and months and months in advance,

1:31:53.960 --> 1:31:56.639
<v Speaker 1>and I'm always like everywhere we go now because every

1:31:56.680 --> 1:31:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I want to party here.

1:31:58.320 --> 1:31:59.599
<v Speaker 3>No, here, I want to hear.

1:32:00.120 --> 1:32:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Every patio we've been to is where I want to

1:32:02.880 --> 1:32:07.439
<v Speaker 1>throw my party. But yeah, okay, so what let's get

1:32:07.439 --> 1:32:11.120
<v Speaker 1>into our post mortem for this episode, Like what we

1:32:11.320 --> 1:32:13.240
<v Speaker 1>learned besides, we love Subway again.

1:32:14.240 --> 1:32:19.600
<v Speaker 2>If someone's acting uncharacteristically interested in something, they're guilty, Like

1:32:19.880 --> 1:32:22.479
<v Speaker 2>if I Hank Everrayham always a dick, suddenly he's like

1:32:22.520 --> 1:32:25.920
<v Speaker 2>good work, guys, right, suspicious?

1:32:26.320 --> 1:32:29.040
<v Speaker 3>Yes, you know, if someone's acting off kilter.

1:32:28.880 --> 1:32:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Or nicer or meaner to you out of nowhere, dig deeper,

1:32:31.960 --> 1:32:35.040
<v Speaker 1>do not accept the niceness. Also, Like, I don't know

1:32:35.040 --> 1:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>if this is like a lesson, but I guess it's

1:32:37.240 --> 1:32:40.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of it's kind of a good career move to

1:32:40.240 --> 1:32:43.080
<v Speaker 1>hide it if you're married to like the company asshole.

1:32:43.400 --> 1:32:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Like nobody knew Pippa was married to Hank. She just

1:32:46.800 --> 1:32:49.800
<v Speaker 1>kept that quiet for her own image, and it kind

1:32:49.800 --> 1:32:51.280
<v Speaker 1>of worked for until it didn't.

1:32:51.320 --> 1:32:51.519
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1:32:52.000 --> 1:32:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, I was also gonna say a horrific post mortem

1:32:55.280 --> 1:32:57.720
<v Speaker 2>moment is you never know who you're married to?

1:32:58.000 --> 1:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Do?

1:32:58.400 --> 1:33:00.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Oh God, accept me, I do.

1:33:01.439 --> 1:33:07.599
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, truly, you just never know what someone is

1:33:07.720 --> 1:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>up to or capable of. Yeah, they could be a

1:33:11.000 --> 1:33:13.479
<v Speaker 1>pedophile or you know, throw you in a wood chipper

1:33:13.479 --> 1:33:17.839
<v Speaker 1>one day. You just never know. That's from forensic files.

1:33:17.880 --> 1:33:19.479
<v Speaker 1>I didn't just pull that out of my own brain.

1:33:19.560 --> 1:33:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, and famously Fargo the most famous wood shipper

1:33:23.320 --> 1:33:24.560
<v Speaker 1>scene in cinema.

1:33:25.800 --> 1:33:26.559
<v Speaker 3>Fire Go Baby.

1:33:28.280 --> 1:33:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I guess, like I mean, like I said,

1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:34.040
<v Speaker 1>we're not here to help you guys get away with crimes,

1:33:34.040 --> 1:33:36.919
<v Speaker 1>but if your co founder of your foundation gets busted,

1:33:37.800 --> 1:33:42.320
<v Speaker 1>you're next get the fucking out of town. Also, if

1:33:43.000 --> 1:33:45.679
<v Speaker 1>you're not getting a deal, but he did get a deal,

1:33:45.800 --> 1:33:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I guess, always a deal to be made, always a

1:33:48.200 --> 1:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>deal to be made, fucking deal man. Yeah, you could

1:33:50.760 --> 1:33:54.559
<v Speaker 1>be watching nineteen hours of child sex abuse images and

1:33:54.640 --> 1:33:57.080
<v Speaker 1>still get a deal. So whether you're at a car

1:33:57.160 --> 1:33:59.959
<v Speaker 1>dealership or anywhere, just keep that in mind. Hank Abraham

1:34:00.080 --> 1:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>got it concurrently, not consecutively. So fight, fight for your

1:34:04.080 --> 1:34:09.840
<v Speaker 1>right get a free will change. I mean, yeah, it's

1:34:09.880 --> 1:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>crazy also because it's like it's not even like not

1:34:11.960 --> 1:34:14.680
<v Speaker 1>only do you not know who you're married to, but

1:34:14.760 --> 1:34:17.040
<v Speaker 1>like you don't know who any famous person is. You

1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:19.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know what famous people like or spokespeople or whatever.

1:34:20.040 --> 1:34:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Like I mean, he was famous, he had a certain

1:34:21.880 --> 1:34:24.720
<v Speaker 1>degree of famous, this certain as this. He's like this

1:34:24.760 --> 1:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>guy next door with this weight loss success story who's

1:34:27.040 --> 1:34:31.200
<v Speaker 1>a full pedophile. So you know, just be careful, don't

1:34:31.240 --> 1:34:33.960
<v Speaker 1>idolize celebrity. It's the guys with the huge pants you

1:34:34.000 --> 1:34:35.960
<v Speaker 1>gotta watch. As they always say.

1:34:38.400 --> 1:34:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Also, change your passwords up for your child porn sites. Yeah, unfortunately,

1:34:45.240 --> 1:34:49.200
<v Speaker 2>my legal of age porn site that I subscribe to.

1:34:50.160 --> 1:34:52.840
<v Speaker 3>My screen name is glitter Cheese And I'm like, why

1:34:52.880 --> 1:34:57.519
<v Speaker 3>did I do that? Go everybody go final Liza on

1:34:57.640 --> 1:34:58.679
<v Speaker 3>porn Hub or whatever.

1:34:58.800 --> 1:35:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm a, yeah, no, I have another site. I'll

1:35:01.760 --> 1:35:04.160
<v Speaker 1>keep that secret. I usually tell everyone. I bet on one,

1:35:04.280 --> 1:35:06.240
<v Speaker 1>I bet you could guess, but I am glater. She

1:35:06.360 --> 1:35:08.519
<v Speaker 1>is on my porn website.

1:35:09.080 --> 1:35:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh and I do well.

1:35:10.000 --> 1:35:11.840
<v Speaker 2>This reminds me I do have a new pornhub joke

1:35:11.880 --> 1:35:13.760
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of been a hit. I am doing stand

1:35:13.840 --> 1:35:17.639
<v Speaker 2>up again, and I will be in Philly June twenty four, five,

1:35:17.800 --> 1:35:19.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty three through twenty five.

1:35:19.280 --> 1:35:21.920
<v Speaker 1>That weekend, I'm there like Thursday through Saturday at the

1:35:21.960 --> 1:35:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Punchline in Philly.

1:35:23.120 --> 1:35:25.120
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, I'm really excited I'll be in Philly.

1:35:25.360 --> 1:35:27.200
<v Speaker 2>I have This will be my first time doing a

1:35:27.200 --> 1:35:30.479
<v Speaker 2>weekend since March, like sixth and seventh in North Carolina,

1:35:30.600 --> 1:35:34.200
<v Speaker 2>March twenty twenty, so I've been working hard getting getting

1:35:34.200 --> 1:35:34.799
<v Speaker 2>it all together.

1:35:34.960 --> 1:35:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Lisa is a singular talent on the stand up stage.

1:35:39.040 --> 1:35:41.479
<v Speaker 1>You guys, I'm serious, Like, if you like her on

1:35:41.520 --> 1:35:43.800
<v Speaker 1>this podcast, you're gonna love her doing stand ups. So

1:35:43.920 --> 1:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>go get if you live within a four hour radius

1:35:47.200 --> 1:35:49.519
<v Speaker 1>of Philadelphia, drive yourself there.

1:35:49.720 --> 1:35:51.400
<v Speaker 3>Get tickets at the Punchline.

1:35:51.520 --> 1:35:53.519
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't want to say this about myself, but

1:35:53.520 --> 1:35:55.639
<v Speaker 1>it is going to be a special night back because

1:35:55.680 --> 1:35:57.439
<v Speaker 1>it is going to be my first weekend. So you

1:35:57.479 --> 1:36:00.559
<v Speaker 1>will see, like I'll be tight and desperate laughs, but

1:36:00.600 --> 1:36:03.519
<v Speaker 1>also have sheets and need to do crowd work. So yeah,

1:36:03.520 --> 1:36:05.439
<v Speaker 1>and she'll be like happy for you to buy her

1:36:05.439 --> 1:36:07.040
<v Speaker 1>a drink at the end of the night. Well I'm

1:36:07.080 --> 1:36:10.920
<v Speaker 1>not drinking, hello, I should be you and drink at

1:36:10.920 --> 1:36:12.840
<v Speaker 1>your first show back. No, you're right, I'll have a

1:36:12.840 --> 1:36:16.679
<v Speaker 1>whiskey in Philly. But I just I've been in New York.

1:36:16.720 --> 1:36:19.040
<v Speaker 1>I have like eight espresso Martiniz a day. I was like,

1:36:19.080 --> 1:36:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I should like chill out, but you're right. I will

1:36:21.040 --> 1:36:21.840
<v Speaker 1>be drinking in Philly.

1:36:22.040 --> 1:36:24.200
<v Speaker 2>I'll also be in Dave and Buster's Wednesday night for

1:36:24.240 --> 1:36:26.639
<v Speaker 2>half priced game night, So if you are a Dave

1:36:26.680 --> 1:36:28.639
<v Speaker 2>and Busters fan, I will be playing.

1:36:29.000 --> 1:36:31.760
<v Speaker 1>So you've known me to stalk Lisa. She's letting you

1:36:31.760 --> 1:36:34.360
<v Speaker 1>know where she is every day. And I will be

1:36:34.400 --> 1:36:36.720
<v Speaker 1>having a Philly cheese steak one day too. I mean,

1:36:37.000 --> 1:36:40.599
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait. I like American cheese over cheese with Philly.

1:36:40.680 --> 1:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Let me know how you feel about that.

1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:42.639
<v Speaker 3>All right?

1:36:42.680 --> 1:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what This is a seamless transition into

1:36:46.160 --> 1:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>our weekly segment What would Sister Peg Do, where we

1:36:50.000 --> 1:36:53.599
<v Speaker 1>direct you towards resources or organizations that can help you

1:36:54.200 --> 1:36:56.679
<v Speaker 1>learn more or understand more about an issue we talked

1:36:56.680 --> 1:36:59.800
<v Speaker 1>about in today's episode. Today, we're going to just direct you,

1:36:59.800 --> 1:37:03.040
<v Speaker 1>guys to a New York Times article about child sexual

1:37:03.080 --> 1:37:07.680
<v Speaker 1>abuse images, and it's just a very interesting article that

1:37:07.800 --> 1:37:10.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of talks about how we got here with why

1:37:10.320 --> 1:37:13.840
<v Speaker 1>the Internet is completely overrun with images like this, and

1:37:14.360 --> 1:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>we will have that in our what would Sister Peg

1:37:17.000 --> 1:37:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Do Instagram story highlight where you can find all of

1:37:20.200 --> 1:37:24.160
<v Speaker 1>our past what would Sister Peg Do segments and you'll

1:37:24.160 --> 1:37:26.240
<v Speaker 1>be able to swipe up and read the article from there.

1:37:26.400 --> 1:37:27.639
<v Speaker 3>Also, it's in our show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>So next week's episode, we will be covering Smut season ten,

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<v Speaker 2>episode ten ten ten, maybe ten's.

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<v Speaker 3>Across the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I know we did not cover the Raleasi

1:37:42.479 --> 1:37:45.679
<v Speaker 1>what is it? Yes, the Releasi moment, the Releasy kiss.

1:37:45.880 --> 1:37:49.559
<v Speaker 1>It's because I am behind. I'm catching up. I I'm

1:37:49.600 --> 1:37:52.680
<v Speaker 1>watching too much Top Model. I've watched three seasons in

1:37:52.840 --> 1:37:55.400
<v Speaker 1>one week. No, I but I know what happened. I

1:37:55.439 --> 1:37:58.799
<v Speaker 1>saw the photos. I cannot wait to watch the kiss

1:37:58.840 --> 1:38:03.360
<v Speaker 1>and MASTERB. So we'll talk about it soon. Kara has

1:38:03.400 --> 1:38:06.800
<v Speaker 1>watched it. I'm sorry to disappoint everyone. I'm trying my best.

1:38:06.840 --> 1:38:09.080
<v Speaker 1>We'll have a hot take on it next week, guys,

1:38:09.080 --> 1:38:10.160
<v Speaker 1>So just stay with us.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we'll see you guys next week. That's Messed Up

1:38:21.560 --> 1:38:22.919
<v Speaker 3>as an Exactly Right production.

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<v Speaker 3>And at glitter Cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, please see our show notes for sources and

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much to SBU super fan and our

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<v Speaker 2>incredible producer, Hannah Kyle Kragon.

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<v Speaker 1>And to our sound engineer and personal hero Anali Snilson, and.

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<v Speaker 3>To Henry Koperski for our theme song, to Carly Jean

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<v Speaker 3>Andrews for our artwork.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to our executive producers Georgia Hardstark, Karen Kilgarriff, Danielle Kramer,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody at Exactly Right Media.

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