1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grease. 2 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: At the get go, this smelled bad, just smelled bad. 3 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 2: You've ever gone by a dump and it just smells oh, 4 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: and it's just horrible. Well, that's the way this investigation 5 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: smelled to me the first time I heard that. This 6 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: gorgeous and I don't know why they just keep calling 7 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: her a socialite, because I'm pretty sure she was a 8 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 2: lot more than that. This gorgeous woman ends up at 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: the bottom of a trash chute. And let me tell you, 10 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: my trash chute at our New York apartment is, oh gosh. 11 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: As I was just telling Paul Morrow, the former NYP 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: the Inspector, that our trash chute is, I have to 13 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: fold a pizza box in half. I have to step 14 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: on it with one foot and fold it over to 15 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: shove it down the chute. So how could this grown 16 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: woman shove herself down a trash chute? It brings to 17 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: mind many other cases, For instance, Chris Watts, who murdered 18 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: his beautiful wife, Shenan and his two little daughters. He 19 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: shoved their bodies into oil cylinders that were about twelve 20 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: to fifteen inches wide, and it took the skin off 21 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: their arms. He was so intent in hiding to hide 22 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: their bodies. I could give you many, many more examples, 23 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: but I don't think there's any way. This woman, Lara Prohodko, 24 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: put herself down a trash chute and died. But guess what, 25 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 2: that's the theory that she committed suicide by trash sheet. Well, 26 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: guess what. In the last hours, a more rational theory 27 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: has emerged, and that is murder. I Nancy Grace, this 28 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at 29 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: Fox Nation in serious xem one eleven. Take a listen 30 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: to our friends at pix eleven. 31 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: Police rushed to one Irving Place yesterday evening after a 32 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 3: maintenance worker made a horrible discovery in the compactor room. 33 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 3: Armed with a shovel, they recovered the remains of Laura Prachenko, 34 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: described by Dorman as someone who was always pleasant and 35 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: treated them with respect. She lived on the twenty seventh 36 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: floor and had arrived back to the building only a 37 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 3: few minutes before her body was found. 38 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: I mean, it's something terrible, it's something shocking. It's not 39 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: clear and you know how that is what happened. Guys, 40 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: you're just hearing our friends that picks eleven. But now 41 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: take a list of our friends at WABC. 42 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 4: We don't know the identity of the woman. Police have 43 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 4: not released that information, but we do know that she 44 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 4: did live here in the building. Police are still going 45 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 4: through surveillance looking for evidence inside the building. 46 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 5: Now. 47 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: Police aren't sure if this. 48 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: Was an accident or if it was intentional. A worker 49 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 4: at the Zeckendorf Towers on Irving Place found that woman 50 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: around five o'clock yesterday and the building's trash compactor Police 51 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 4: saying she went down the trash route from more than 52 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 4: twenty floors up. 53 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: Twenty floors up with me an all star panel to 54 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now. But first 55 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: I want to go to investigative reporter at the Daily Beast, 56 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: Decca Muldowney. Decca, thanks so much for being with us. 57 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: Find it really hard to believe that this woman committed 58 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: suicide in this manner, especially if you look at methods 59 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: and assessment of homicide and suicide. Very rarely will you 60 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: see a woman this level of education of her. Let 61 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: me just say social standing commit suicide in this manner. 62 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: If she had taken overdose appeals or not. Carbon monoxide 63 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: death in a car, yes, I could see that, but 64 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: not this statistically in Oh tell me, Decca Muldowney Daily Beast, 65 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: who is this woman? Lara Prdoco Financy. Well, Lara was 66 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: a mom. 67 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 6: She had at the time of her death a twelve 68 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 6: year old son. 69 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: Oh wait right, wait right there, right there, Decca, you 70 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: hit me where it hurts. You know, we never hear 71 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: about the then twelve year old son. I would wade 72 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 2: through the Atlantic and go through hell to stay with 73 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: my twins. That gives us a whole nother angle. Deca, 74 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: go ahead, I'm sorry. 75 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 6: I think so. I led with that. I'm a mom too, 76 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 6: But I led with that because she's so often described 77 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 6: as a socialite, as you said, as a sort of 78 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 6: New York City ick girl. 79 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 7: She was very beautiful. 80 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 6: She did have a, you know, glamorous social life. She 81 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 6: had been celebrating her birthday in Ibiza and Paris shortly 82 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 6: before her death. But the thing that I come back 83 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 6: to is, yeah, she was a mom. She had a 84 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 6: twelve year old son, and she was going through a 85 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 6: acrimonious divorce with her ex husband at the time of 86 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 6: her death. And that's the way what strikes me is 87 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 6: as like you said, the most kind of moving thing 88 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 6: about her tragic death. 89 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: I don't like it when victims are referred to in 90 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: that manner, for instance, socialite, sorority girl, sex worker. I mean, 91 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: it's just so stereotyping this woman who died a horrible, 92 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: horrible death, her last moments hurtling down twenty floors and 93 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: a filthy trash chute to her death to be discovered 94 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: by a janitor. She was living in a really ritzy apartment. 95 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I know when I went apartment looking in 96 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: a hunting really like a hunt in York. By the 97 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: time you get to an apartment, you walk and they go, 98 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: oh it just sold. Okay, so next, and that happens 99 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: over and over and over. I would never even look 100 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: in this area of town because this is really posh, expensive, ritsy. 101 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: Take a listen to Jim Dowan, ABC seven. 102 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 8: The building goes by two different names, one Irving Plaza 103 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,119 Speaker 8: and Zekendorf Towers, and workers made that grizzly discovery about 104 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 8: four point thirty this afternoon, the body of a woman, 105 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 8: a resident of the building, found stuffed in the building's 106 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 8: trash compactor. If they know how she got there, police 107 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 8: aren't yet, saying Prime scene investigators got to Zeckendorf Towers 108 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 8: tonight to try and figure out how the body of 109 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 8: a woman ended up in a trash compactor in the building. 110 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 2: And more. 111 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 9: They had the barricades up around the entrance and I 112 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 9: have never seen twenty detectives wandering around anywhere, So it 113 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 9: had to be some serious thing with suspicious circumstances, because 114 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 9: why else would twenty detectives show up. 115 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 8: But police were not giving many details. Some residents believe 116 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 8: the garbage shoot is big enough to put a body in, 117 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 8: and residents did get this email instructing them not to 118 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 8: use the shoots for the time being. The shoots are 119 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 8: now locked shut. 120 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: I'm just not seeing it. Joining me Paul Tomorrow, lawyer 121 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: and former NYPD inspector. You can find him at Opsdesk 122 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: dot org. Paul, I remember fighting with pizza boxes and 123 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: everything else I wanted to shove down the trash chute. 124 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: It's in fact, a lot of people in our building 125 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: would just lie things in the little trash chute room 126 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: because they couldn't get it down the trash chute. And 127 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: I mean like coat hangers. Some of the residents couldn't 128 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: get coat hangers down the trash chute because they were 129 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: too narrow, deckamull Downey, What did you say the size 130 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: of this this trasheet. 131 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 6: Was, I believe fifteen by eighteen. 132 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: Okay, Paulmorrow, you tell me this woman got up to 133 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 2: the level of a trashet. Let's see, ours is about 134 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: the level of your chest. So somehow, what is she 135 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: not come and ahiate the gymnast and she gets up 136 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: there and enforce hers herself into the trash Shoot it 137 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: does It doesn't even make any sense. 138 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, it does sound like a very unlikely scenario. And 139 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 5: full disclosure, I worked in Midtown for a lot of 140 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 5: my career, various parts of Manhattan. You deal with a 141 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 5: lot of suicides, and I can tell you that never 142 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 5: once did I ever deal with something like this where 143 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 5: somebody forced their way into a trashuite. Generally in a 144 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 5: situation like this, and look, you can never tell what's 145 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 5: going to lead up to a suicide. I can actually remember, 146 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 5: ever remember having one responding to one where somebody said, yeah, 147 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 5: we saw it coming. People never see it coming. So 148 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 5: while that may be the case here that they didn't 149 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 5: see it coming, that's not necessarily this positive. What does 150 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 5: strike me, however, is the manner the idea that she 151 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 5: would do something like this. It's not only a very 152 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 5: grim way to do what she did. There is this 153 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 5: element of concealment. And very often when people do commit 154 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 5: suicide in a situation like this, it's on the outside 155 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 5: of the building, obviously, because this is the sort of 156 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 5: final act where the suicider talks to the world. It's 157 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 5: a very public statement in a lot of ways. It's 158 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 5: a statement made to the people around them. It's a 159 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 5: statement to society in general, the idea that somebody would 160 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 5: throw themselves down to trash shoot, not even sure by 161 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 5: the way, that it's going to work, okay, And everybody 162 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 5: in Manhattan has heard these stories of trash shoote incidents 163 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 5: that don't end up being fatal, but people lose arms 164 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 5: and things like that, crazy stories. I do find it 165 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 5: hard to believe. On the other hand, I am sure 166 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 5: from the reporting that it was very heavily investigated. So 167 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 5: I don't know what to make of the fact that 168 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 5: it was at the time not ruled a homicide, especially 169 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 5: with some of the circumstances around it. 170 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: Stories with nan'cy Grease. 171 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: Guys joining me right now, I mean, you've got to 172 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: know this name. If you are even an occasional sleuthy. 173 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 2: Doctor Michael Boden the former Chief Medical Examiner of New 174 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: York City, past co director of New York State Police 175 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: Medico Legal Investigations Unit, author of American Autopsy. You can 176 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: find him at doctorMichael Boden dot com and it's b 177 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: A d N. Although you pronounce it Boden, Doctor Boden, 178 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: It's always an honor and a privilege to have you 179 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: on with us. There's no way this woman committed suicide. 180 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, what did you look? 181 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 10: Let me again, Nancy, what great to talk to? That 182 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 10: introduction sounded like a eulogy that made me feel good. 183 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 2: Listen, before I do a eulogy for you, just make 184 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: sure your will is correct. Was not what your beautiful 185 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: wife left out in the cold. Okay? That said, what 186 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 2: do you think about this? I just I mean, on 187 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: day one, this. 188 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 10: Stunt to high heaven well as pearl. For full disclosure, 189 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 10: her father did send me, did ask me to review 190 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 10: the autopsy report some time ago, that this occurred in 191 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 10: July of twenty eighteen, and the father had was didn't 192 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 10: believe it that she would have committed suicide, which is 193 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 10: not uncommon. Whether it is or isn't a suicide, well, hold. 194 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: On just a moment. I think that I can crystallize. 195 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: Never said this before, doctor Michael Boden's thoughts. I want 196 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: you to take a listener. Cut twelve from Fox five. 197 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 11: And these bizarre circumstances caught the attention of New York 198 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 11: City's former medical examiner, doctor Michael bought In. 199 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 12: But I've never seen a young person able to climb 200 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 12: into a narrow chute like this and go fee first 201 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 12: down twenty seven stories. That's extremely unusual. 202 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 11: I just doctor Bodden agreed to take a look at 203 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 11: the autopsy report for the pre Hodco family pro bono. 204 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 12: My opinion is there's enough information that it should be 205 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 12: investigated as a homicide. 206 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 13: How do you know it was feet first, doctor Barden, 207 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 13: because the autopsy report. 208 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 10: I have the autopsy report. There are a lot of 209 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 10: fractures of the feet. No injury, no serious injury to 210 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 10: the head. 211 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Boden, do you know how happy you just 212 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: made me? And I don't know what it means about 213 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: me that I'm happy to hear about a dead woman's 214 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: foot fracture. But that goes to my theory Decam moll Downey, 215 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: Dtor Biden. I'm circling back, don't get me wrong, But Decca, 216 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: how is this woman going to climb up into a 217 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: trash chute which is typically a good feet off the 218 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: ground for safety reasons because you don't want to talk 219 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: to literally fall in there. So how is she going 220 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: to get up their feet first? How? 221 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 6: I mean, I think that's the question of the core 222 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 6: of this case and what it is so mysterious and 223 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 6: baffling about this depth. Why and how someone would choose 224 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 6: to commit suicide in that manner is the real question. 225 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Boden, you just threw me for a loop 226 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: when you confirmed how we know she went feet first? 227 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: Dr Boden, it just it's impossible. 228 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 10: Yeah, because Nancy, because in that shoot and I went 229 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 10: over and I looked at that shoot. Well, so as 230 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 10: in most shoots, you go into the the whatever goes 231 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 10: in goes down. 232 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: Like a closet. You go in the hallway. 233 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 10: That's right, it's a circular. It's circular, and you can't 234 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 10: turn away. The body can't turn. It just goes straight down. 235 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 10: So that if she goes into food feet first, she 236 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 10: lands feet first. And I think, what The issue that 237 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 10: was brought up by the police and the medical examiner 238 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 10: was that she had a high alcohol content. She had 239 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 10: been out before she came home. She was from France 240 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 10: and apparently was at a bar celebrating some kind of 241 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 10: soccer victory that the French soccer team had that afternoon. 242 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 10: And the toxicological finding at autopsy was zero point twenty 243 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 10: nine percent. You know, point eight is the DWI level, 244 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 10: So she had a lot of alcohol. But she walked home. 245 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 10: Apparently she said hello to the doorman. She looked perfectly good, 246 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 10: normal to the doorman when she came home, and this 247 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 10: happened shortly thereafter. 248 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's absolutely right. Take a listen to our cut nine. 249 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: Our friends at pick celeb very unfortunate. 250 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 14: It's very unsettling, especially that it's coming so close to home. 251 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 3: Surveillance video shows her walking the hallways before entering the 252 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 3: trash room on the twenty seventh floor. She somehow appears 253 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: to have gone down the chute into the compactor. Neighbors 254 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: familiar with the building set up say they're not really 255 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: sure how that could have happened. 256 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: I mean it's a small shoot. I mean I don't 257 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: know how you do it. 258 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 7: I mean it never. 259 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 14: It never occurred to me to try to go into 260 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 14: the garbage set. 261 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 2: What was her blood alcohol, doctor Biden? Did you say 262 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: two to nine? 263 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 10: Yes? 264 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: Okay, so she's over three times the legal limit of 265 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: point zero eight. So right, she didn't drive, She got 266 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: a ride home with a friend or a cab. She 267 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: walks in, she's steady on her feet, she speaks to 268 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: the dorman. She's not committing a crime. Just because this 269 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: woman has been out and had several drinks, somehow that 270 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: turns into suicide. I don't get it, guys. I want 271 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: you to take a listen to what doctor Bethany Marshall 272 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: has to say. Doctor Bethany Marshall renown psycho analysts, joining 273 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: us out of Beverly Hills, and you can find her 274 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com dotor Bethany. This is 275 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: total BS technical legal term. This woman did not commit suicide. 276 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 7: She did not she did not jump down trashoot. And 277 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 7: first of all, I hate the fact that she's just 278 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 7: referred to as a socialite. Why are female victims always 279 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 7: devalued They're either a sex worker, they're a socialite. That 280 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 7: implies that she had no social value other than just 281 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 7: do they say young mom exactly. 282 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: Young single mom, she's in the middle of a divorce. 283 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't hate this former French beauty, flame 284 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: haired mom blah blah, like to be anything, But why 285 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 2: do they peg her that way? I don't get it. 286 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 2: And that started at the beginning. 287 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 7: Well, okay, so that leads right to what I wanted 288 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 7: to say is what is it about this social milieu 289 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 7: that they discredited her her and devalued her from the 290 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 7: very beginning. It wasn't just the husband, the child, the 291 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 7: people in the building. I mean, I'm a psychoanalyst, I'm 292 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 7: not a crime scene investigator, an investigator, but it tells 293 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 7: me that everybody involved in this situation colluded in seeing 294 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 7: her bringing about her own demise when in fact it 295 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 7: was impossible. So what does that mean? Did they envy 296 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 7: her because she had money and beauty and status. Did 297 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 7: they want to think that she had this sad, sack 298 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 7: internal life and so she killed herself? I think that's 299 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 7: what's interesting is that everybody told themselves a lie about this. 300 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 7: What is the purpose of a lie? And the fact 301 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 7: that they told the lie I think really interferes with 302 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 7: accurately telling the story of whatever it was that was 303 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 7: going on in her life. Was she being stopped by somebody? 304 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 2: How about a dan and dirty, acrimonious divorce And this night, 305 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: Okay found something to be happy. She had been watching 306 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: the fife A World Series Cup semi finals and that 307 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: night France beat Belgium. Her dad said her grandfather is French, 308 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: and she was ecstatic and she was out celebrating. When 309 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: she gets home. As the earlier heard, she greeted the 310 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 2: dormant in her building. She high fived them about the wind. 311 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 2: They all loved her because they say she was quote 312 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: so friendly and nice. Now, one of Lara's neighbors on 313 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: the twenty seventh floor told authorities she returned home around 314 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: four to twenty pm and nothing was unusual, although there 315 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: is that hallway surveillance video. She's in the hall and 316 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: we know she's been drinking. But oh, doctor Michael Boden, 317 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: who is with us right now, has another tiny issue 318 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: other than the gymnastics Olympic competitor she must have been 319 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 2: to get in that trash shoot. Take a list nour 320 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: cut fifteen our friends at Inside Edition. 321 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 15: Fame pathologist Michael Boden volunteered to reevaluate Laura's autopsy. Boden 322 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 15: says she had ligature marks on her neck, leading him 323 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 15: to believe she may have been strangled and was then 324 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 15: thrown down the trash chute. If it wasn't a homicide, 325 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 15: could it have been accidental? How is it even possible 326 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 15: for someone to fall into one of these garbage shoots? 327 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 15: As you can see, it's designed to snatch shut if. 328 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 2: You don't hold it open. 329 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 15: And could a grown man or woman even fit inside? 330 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 15: Now her father is hoping to have the case reopened. 331 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: Doctor Biden, did you forget to tell me about the 332 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: ligature marks? 333 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 10: Yeah? Well, first, she's five foot six inches and one 334 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 10: hundred and thirty eight pounds, so she's a small She's 335 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 10: good enough to go through that. The opening of the shoot. 336 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 2: I disagree because of my extensive training in autopsies as 337 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: a law student. I'm just kidding. I still don't say it. 338 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: I know she's five six and one thirty eight, but 339 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 2: the shoulder span, I mean, if I have to fold 340 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: up a pizza box to get it in that shoot? 341 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 2: And did you hear? And I forgot this to mention this, 342 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: doctor Boden, Those shoots again, are I would say at 343 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: least four feet off the ground, so children can't get 344 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 2: into them. But as we just heard Less Trent, our 345 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: friend at inside edition State, and he's right, those shoots 346 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: snap shut, so children can't get into them. If you 347 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 2: open one and you happen to let go of it 348 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 2: for whatever reason, it snaps shut. So that adds to 349 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 2: the difficulty of her getting into it. 350 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 10: Yeah, but Nancy, one way or the other, she did 351 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 10: get in. She went down the chute. And what I 352 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 10: was going to get to you is it's one thing 353 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 10: for her to bend all were Fasey's intoxicated, she bends 354 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 10: over and tries to go down the chute head first. 355 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 10: It's another thing to how would you go down feet 356 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 10: first unless somebody put it down there, you know, lifted 357 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 10: it down there exactly. 358 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: And what about Tell me this is correct? Decamel Downey 359 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 2: joining us from the Daily Beast. Wasn't her purse found 360 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: right there on the floor outside the trash chute. 361 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, Nandy. Her purse was sitting on the 362 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 6: floor next to the trash chute. 363 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: Okay, and Jaca please jump in. You are much closer 364 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 2: to this case than we are, except for you, doctor bond. 365 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: Can we talk about potential ligature marks on her neck. 366 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 10: Yeah, they're in the photographs at the scene. At the scene, 367 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 10: the photographs were taken after she's out of the trash 368 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 10: compactor or coming out of the trash compactor, and the 369 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 10: photogram show the feet, the bare feet coming out with 370 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 10: the shoe. The sneaker was elsewhere in the trash and 371 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 10: there's a mark around the neck, a pale white mark 372 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 10: that would match a ligature mark. And the idea being 373 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 10: that if she goes down the chute as Great Dancings implying, 374 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 10: it's one thing after she's dead and can be lifted 375 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 10: down the chute, it's another if she's struggling and while alive, 376 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 10: it will be difficult to put it down, and it 377 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 10: would be very difficult for her to get into the 378 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 10: chute feet first. 379 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: Is it a more likely scenario that she was straangled 380 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: and put down the. 381 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 10: Trash here, Yes, that's what I wrote a letter to 382 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 10: the father, and that would be that she was deceased 383 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 10: before she goes down the chute. 384 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 2: Interesting, was she brought cut at all? Was her body? 385 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 2: Did she suffer abrasions going down the trash sheet and 386 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: if so, did they bleed. 387 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 10: Well, that's that's part of the problem. She she is 388 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 10: has bruises, a lot of bruises on her body which 389 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 10: would be rubbing against the shoote, and fractures and lacerations 390 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 10: because she goes through a the compactor before she comes 391 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 10: out of the chute. So part of the issues is 392 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 10: she has various injuries, but many of them would be 393 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 10: from the compactor. She does have Nancy would appreciate under 394 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 10: the skin of the neck, there's no there's a little 395 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 10: a mark around the outside of the neck, the middle 396 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 10: of the neck, this pale area above its cyanosis, the 397 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 10: blood being unable to move downward and getting a bluish color. 398 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 10: If she's what that happens in strangulations and a lot 399 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 10: of hemorrhage underneath the skin. There were no fractures of 400 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 10: the windpipe, but there was a lot of hemorrhage localized 401 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 10: in that area, which would go along with supporting some 402 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 10: kind of neck compression causing death. 403 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 2: What about park in her eyes. 404 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 10: She didn't have the tiki, but she had a bluish 405 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 10: color to the to the skin, which is similarly col 406 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 10: bluish color of wear on the skin of the whole face. 407 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 10: I really on the outside of the that that cyanosis 408 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 10: when a person can't breathe. 409 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 6: Nancy may I asked up about it the questions this 410 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 6: is scon l Danny. Yes, So I understood Dr Bond 411 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 6: that the chief medical examiner at the time, Barbara Stepson, 412 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 6: concluded that Laura had died as a result of multiple 413 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 6: blunt force injuries. But from what you're saying, having reviewed 414 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 6: the autopsy, it sounds to me like you think some 415 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 6: of those injuries could have been sustained posts Morden, and 416 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 6: it sounds like you don't fully agree with that assentment. 417 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 6: Is that right? 418 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 10: Well, that's correct. That is, she went through a trash 419 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 10: compactor before she was seen, and I think there are 420 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 10: cut injuries to the chest and heart and ribs that 421 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 10: would be part of the compactor injuries, but she doesn't 422 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 10: have any injury. She has very little injuries to the scalp, 423 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 10: which would be an indication that she didn't go down 424 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 10: head first. She has fractures of the ankles, which would 425 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 10: go wrong with striking the ground after falling twenty seven stories. However, 426 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 10: that role has to be taken into into consideration. That 427 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 10: also compacted before she's seen. 428 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not the only one that does not believe 429 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: Lara's death is a suicide. Take a list in our 430 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 2: cut thirteen our friend less Trent. 431 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 15: Police claim she was drunk. The New York City Medical 432 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 15: Examiner ruled no suspicion of foul play. Laura's father, Nicholas, 433 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 15: who lives in Toronto, says he strongly disagrees. 434 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: I don't believe it. I didn't believe it, and I 435 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 2: continue not to believe it. 436 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 15: Nicholas Brahdko says his daughter and her husband, David slaw Hit, 437 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 15: were divorcing and fighting over millions of dollars in real 438 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 15: estate and more. 439 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends a crime online dot 440 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 2: Com cut sixteen. 441 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 13: Nicholas Prechidco does not believe his daughter, Laura died in 442 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 13: a drunken accidental fall twenty seven stories down a trash 443 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 13: chute in the Zekendorf Towers and Union Square. The father 444 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 13: says his daughter was going through a heated divorce with 445 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 13: her estranged husband, David Slatchett, over the custody of their son, 446 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 13: as well as real estate that included two homes in Southampton, 447 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 13: an apartment in Chelsea, a penthouse in Williamsburg, and a 448 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 13: loft in Toronto. Nicholas Prechidco has filed a wrongful death 449 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 13: lawsuit claiming Schlatchett and another man conspired to murder Laura Prechidco. 450 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,719 Speaker 13: The suit alleges Slashett hired the unidentified hitman who tracked 451 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 13: pre Chidco's movements, waited for her in her building, strangled her, 452 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 13: then disposed of her body down the trash chute. 453 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: The husband strongly denies any involvement. 454 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. 455 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: Joining me right now. Joseph Jacqueline, former NYPD sergeant, author 456 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: of the Cold Case Handbook and The Criminal Investigative Function, 457 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: A guide for a New Investigators, fourth edition that mas 458 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 2: has already been through three editions of this book, highly popular. 459 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: Joseph Jacqueline, thank you for being with us. I wanted 460 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 2: you to hear everything up to this point. What is 461 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: your analysis? 462 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 14: Great? 463 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 5: Thanks Nancy for having me. 464 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 14: So this is my first question, and if maybe somebody 465 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 14: on the panel. 466 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 10: Knows about this. 467 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 14: So we have video surveillance of her going into the 468 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 14: compact room and that never leaving. Do we have video 469 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 14: surveillance of anybody following behind her going into the compact 470 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 14: the location and not leaving because that would be the 471 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 14: person that they would want. So I'm assuming that there 472 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 14: are tons of video surveillance that would investigators to be 473 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 14: calling over for a long period of time. Does anybody 474 00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 14: know the answer to that question? 475 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 2: I do not, decam all Downey, do we know. 476 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 6: I believe that there is some video surveillance in the hallway, 477 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 6: not the entire hallway, and not obviously inside the trash 478 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 6: compactor room. So I think there is potentially some possibility 479 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 6: that she may have been followed. I just it seems 480 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 6: as though there is not quite a nut covering, right. 481 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: I think you're right, Jaca. Doctor Barden questioned to you, 482 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: you've seen the trash chute. Is the trash chute in 483 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: the same area where the stairs are are stairs beside 484 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: the trash chute. 485 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 10: Going down, or it's not far from the staircase, not far, 486 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 10: it's it's close to the staircase. However, the trash chute 487 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 10: has a door. Also, I think it's a confined space 488 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 10: and there's no video that surveillance surveys the trashoot area. 489 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: That's the way it is. In my hallway, there's a 490 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: and you can see the long hallway and the elevator. 491 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 2: But the hallway takes a right angle turn, and it's 492 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 2: right there in that corner where there is the trash chute, 493 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: and in that little I've called a closet, that little area, 494 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: it's actually also the landing for stairs going down and 495 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: stairs going up. It's all right there in the same 496 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 2: little alcove area. And the surveillance does not show the 497 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 2: trashchute door. It's like a little room, like a closet, 498 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: like a big closet, and in that room there is 499 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 2: the trash chute and the stairs which go down and up. So, 500 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: doctor Bowden, having seen the trash chute area where Lara 501 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 2: met her death, would surveillance have caught her going specifically 502 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: into that door or anyone coming out, and would that 503 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 2: person have had access to the stairs without being caught 504 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: on surveillance video. 505 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 10: My understanding is there was no surveillance, No surveillance of 506 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 10: that area involved whether there was anybody else near there, 507 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 10: near to the trash and what about the steps none 508 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 10: that I well, I'm not sure about the stairs itself. 509 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:27,959 Speaker 10: With the elevator that's nearby, there's no video showing anybody 510 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 10: else in that area. 511 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: So JOSEU. Jaccoline, former NYPD sergeant and author with the 512 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: stairs right beside the trash chute and surveillance of the 513 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 2: trasheet door itself. We don't know the answer whether anyone 514 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: was there or not, but I can tell you this, 515 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 2: if the stairs were close by, a person could have 516 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 2: easily gone down the stairs all the way down, all 517 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: the way to sub the sub basement and get out 518 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 2: that way. 519 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 14: Well certainly, I mean, and even those location. You know, 520 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 14: we're talking about every exclusive building, so we're looking at it. 521 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 14: I was looking online before we got onto about sixty 522 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 14: five hundred dollars a month apartments, and you know that 523 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 14: there's video surveillance is about anywhere with those exits, and 524 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 14: you have a doorman building too. So if this is 525 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 14: a homicide, which you know, I always come from the 526 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 14: school where and doctor Biden, I think will agree with 527 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 14: me unless you treat every death as if it's suspicious 528 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 14: and will proven otherwise, And with your dealing and what 529 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 14: you're dealing with is you have to have somebody that 530 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 14: either has access to an exit which is probably surveilled, 531 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 14: or they have to walk to the doorman and the doorman. 532 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 5: Would have to acknowledge their presence. 533 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 14: So I would assume that investigators spoke to the door 534 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 14: person and pulled all the videos availance to which if 535 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 14: it turns out at the end of the day to 536 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 14: be a homicide, then a list of everybody who was 537 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 14: in that building would be a suspect. 538 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: Why has this been brought back into the public eye? 539 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: Why is it backs point of interest? Take a listen 540 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 2: to our cut twenty our friends at crime Online. 541 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 13: The Wrongful Death lawsuit alleges that days after Laura Prechidco's death, 542 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 13: Slatchett and John Doe met in Manhattan, where Schlatchett made 543 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 13: a final payment to John Doe for the murder of 544 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 13: Laura Prechidco. The Sioux claimed Schlatchett was financially motivated to 545 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 13: gil pre Chidco as they were going through an acrimonious 546 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 13: divorce at the time, and that his construction firm filed 547 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 13: for bankruptcy in twenty sixteen while facing several lawsuits. The 548 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 13: wrongful Death lawsuit seeks damages in an amount to be 549 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 13: determined at trial and the disqualification of Schlatchett as beneficiary 550 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 13: of pre chid goes of state. 551 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 2: Wow, there was a lot of money at stake. Decamul 552 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 2: Downey explained. 553 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 6: Well, this is a wrongful death lawsuit that's been filed 554 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 6: by Laura's father, and in that lawsuit, he outlined an 555 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 6: alternative narrative of what could have happened here, And what 556 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 6: he's alleging is that, facing the possibility of losing millions 557 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 6: of dollars in this acrimonious divorce, that Lara's ex husband 558 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 6: hired a hitman to kill her. So that's what's alleged 559 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 6: in the lawsuits. So it's alleged that he didn't personally 560 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 6: kill her, but that he hired someone to do it 561 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 6: and offered to pay this person. And that's what Lara's 562 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 6: father believes happened here. 563 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 2: That is his theory. Of course, the husband denies any wrongdoing. 564 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 2: It's not just about money. Isn't it true that there 565 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 2: are now claims that Lara, after having split with her 566 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 2: husband and in the middle of the divorce, was having 567 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 2: an affair with the married web MD CEO before her death. 568 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 2: His name was also on her lease. 569 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 5: That's right, So. 570 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 6: This is reporting from the New York Post. But yet 571 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 6: it was a story that she was having an affair 572 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 6: with the CEO of WebMD where she was working, who 573 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 6: ultimately ended up getting divorced from his wife, and it's 574 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 6: unclear whether this affair may have played a part in that, 575 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 6: but he maintained it appears another apartment for her in Manhattan, 576 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 6: and that they were having a romantic relationship and he 577 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 6: held a memorial service for her after she died. And 578 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 6: it's it's not totally clear what role this may have 579 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 6: played in an alternative narrative of the cases being offered 580 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 6: by Laura's father, But you know, it adds another wrinkle 581 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 6: to the story here about what could have taken play. 582 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, are you still alive or has someone 583 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 2: killed you? In the middle of crime stories? Because I 584 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 2: can't believe you haven't jumped Inneranda. 585 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 7: Well, I just think there's so many twists and turns 586 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 7: to the story. But where my mind goes is a husband, 587 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 7: a former husband, who is interested enough in killing his 588 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 7: wife to hire a hit man, has a long history 589 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 7: of verbal, if not physical abuse towards that victim, That 590 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 7: this was a domestic situation, and don't you know that 591 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 7: her father, that his father in law, was helpless witness 592 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 7: to all of this. I mean, he may have seen 593 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 7: his daughter suffering in this marriage. So when she goes missing, 594 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 7: she goes down the trash shoot. All of a sudden, 595 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 7: he thinks, you know, I'll be damned. It really is 596 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 7: not only that the tragedy the loss, but that it 597 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 7: may have ended in such a way that he was 598 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 7: afraid of it. I think it's remarkable that she was 599 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 7: having this other relationship because if it was a domestic situation, 600 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 7: women are at the greatest risk of homicide as they're 601 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 7: leaving a relationship. We all know this. He may have 602 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 7: wanted soul custody of the sun. You know, we know 603 00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 7: an abusive family dynamics. Parents can't share parenting. They should 604 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 7: be able to, but they can't. So he may have 605 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 7: wanted control of the time, all for himself. And then, finally, 606 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 7: I think the idea that she was inebriated and had 607 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 7: been drinking shows that whoever committed this crime, that was 608 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 7: the husband. It sounds like it hiring a hit man. 609 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 7: He knew her patterns. He knew, you know, when she 610 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 7: would have fun afternoons, when she would hang out with friends, 611 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 7: and when she would be the most vulnerable. 612 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 2: Again, the ex husband denies any involvement or domestic abuse. 613 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 2: But I've got another point. Take alostnour cut seventeen from 614 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,760 Speaker 2: crime online dot Com. 615 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 13: Nicholas Prechanco alleges that Laura's estranged husband, David Slatchett, tracked 616 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 13: Laura's movements by having software installed on her laptop, and 617 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 13: this is how the unidentified hit man was able to 618 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 13: know pre jot Go's location, allowing him to wait for her, 619 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 13: strangle her before disposing of her body in the trash Choote. 620 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 13: Police have said when prijon Go's body was discovered in 621 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,919 Speaker 13: the trash compactor, it was quote crushed from multiple ang 622 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,760 Speaker 13: The New York City Medical Examiner ruled her death and accident, 623 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 13: but the family hired former New York City Chief Medical Examiner, 624 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 13: doctor Michael Baden, who said he found that pre Chidco 625 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 13: may have been strangled to death. 626 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 2: Paul Morrow, attorney and former NYPD inspector jump in. 627 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 7: So. 628 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 5: One of the other forensics that they certainly would have 629 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 5: looked at year are the digital forensics, and that's going 630 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 5: to be very important here. Now. By the time of 631 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 5: this death, we already had encrypted phones, so that's not 632 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 5: a very easy thing to surmount. But putting to the 633 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,399 Speaker 5: reporting online, they do have hold of some at least 634 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 5: text messages, or emails, so they got some stuff. Even 635 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 5: if the phone is encrypted, there are other ways to 636 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 5: go about it. You can dump the cloud. You can 637 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 5: go to secondary devices, which sometimes the phone feeds into, 638 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 5: which is what happened in the hunter Biden's situation. His 639 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 5: texts from his phone were on his laptop. These these 640 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 5: devices talk to each other. It was a large response 641 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 5: to this. This is the seventeen preasing. This is a 642 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 5: healthy area on Manhattan's East Side. There was no shortage 643 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 5: of attention paid to this. The notion I'm just going 644 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 5: to push back a little bit on the notion that 645 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 5: this was taken lightly. I can tell you it was not, 646 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 5: and in fact, in detective squads these days, unfortunately this 647 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 5: may be changing, but for a good while here, while 648 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 5: the murder rate was so low, detectives literally would compete 649 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 5: to catch a homicide, to catch a murder case. It's 650 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 5: kind of the a level case in a detective squad. Furthermore, 651 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 5: they would get enhancement from Manhattan South Thomside, which is 652 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 5: a unit dedicated to investigating homicides, who don't really catch 653 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 5: the case, but they help, for lack of a better term, 654 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 5: that's called enhancing. My point overall is this Joe Jack 655 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 5: o'loane was talking about the videos that would have been 656 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 5: pulled absolutely, not only within the building, but outside the 657 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 5: building on any relevant time period or ingressive egress to 658 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 5: the building. Street video would have been pulled. Any video 659 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 5: inside the building. If there's a card used to get 660 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 5: in and out of the building, I don't know if 661 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 5: it's a key card kind of thing to get into 662 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 5: the elevator, but certainly you have a doorman. Everybody would 663 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 5: have been interviewed, You would have dropped all of this 664 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 5: stuff into the squad, and you would have had a 665 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 5: lot of people scraping at it trying to solve it. Now, 666 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 5: that doesn't mean there wasn't foul play here, because admittedly 667 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 5: it's a very odd set of circumstances and as I 668 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 5: said earlier, not something I've encountered in the past. But 669 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 5: I would say that I think that a lot of 670 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 5: stuff was done here that was not this positive. And 671 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 5: for even them me to come in and say, well, 672 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 5: we're going to rule that this thing appears to be 673 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 5: not a homicide. They certainly don't have anything to hang 674 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 5: their hats on accidental is hard for me to swallow. 675 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 5: The idea that she somehow fell into a shoot that's 676 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 5: four feet off the ground. I think that defies. 677 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 2: Belief, especially first. 678 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,879 Speaker 5: Fee first exactly, she'd have to take a flying. 679 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 2: Exactly, and that door slam shut. It's a spring action. 680 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 2: It's slam shut if you let go of it. So 681 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 2: how did she do that? Doctor Michael Boden, do you 682 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 2: believe this was a suicide? 683 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,760 Speaker 10: Nancy? One thing though, Just to be clear, the initial 684 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 10: cause of death listed in the death certificate in the 685 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 10: on the what Topsy report is multiple blunt impact injuries 686 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 10: and the manner of death is listened as undetermined. That's 687 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 10: it's odd to say undetermined and then say it's no 688 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 10: foul play because if you're saying that, which which was 689 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,720 Speaker 10: the what was given over to the police, no foul 690 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 10: play means it's not homicide. Well, it's certainly not an accident. 691 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 10: It's what Well, all that's left is suicide, and I 692 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 10: guess they the the whoever issued the death certificate would 693 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 10: have unless there's a new death certificate, the second death 694 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 10: certificate that says suicide. This says undetermined. And the only 695 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 10: reason to do that be if you're uncertain about it, 696 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 10: because it's either natural accident suicide of homicide. Well, it's 697 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 10: not natural. You can't accident. This can't possibly be an accident. 698 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 10: You don't accidentally fall into a treashoot. It's either suicide, 699 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 10: as pull said, of a homicide, and they rule out 700 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 10: homicide by saying no foul play. So normally one would 701 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 10: put suicide down. But it was treated as a suicide. 702 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 10: And I think once it's treated as a suicide, that 703 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 10: would diminish the extent that in my experience of the 704 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 10: police investigation into possible homicide, was. 705 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 7: There a culture of disdain towards wealthy victims in this precinct. 706 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 2: I doubt it, because that precinct was full of rich people. 707 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,879 Speaker 2: Even in that building you had Anthony Wiener and many 708 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 2: other high profile people living there. Decamal Downey with the 709 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 2: Daily Beast. Is it true? Is the father's the victim's 710 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 2: father's allegation true or do we know if it's true 711 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,919 Speaker 2: that the ex husband had placed spywear on her devices 712 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 2: that could follow her around and know where she was going. 713 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,320 Speaker 16: That's his allegation, and his allegation is that that spy 714 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 16: where were the used by her ex husband to inform 715 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 16: the hitman of her location and in his. 716 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 6: Narrative, that's why you know she was able to be 717 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:33,399 Speaker 6: cornered in this trash shoe room. However, the lawsuit bitty 718 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,360 Speaker 6: file doesn't offer any evidence and that doesn't appear to 719 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 6: have ever been released by a police in this case. 720 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 2: So that is the father's claim, Lara's father's claim. I'm 721 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 2: sure the ex husband is denying that as well. We 722 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 2: wait as just as unfolds. If you have information or 723 00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 2: think you have information, please dial eight hundred FI. I 724 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 2: have seven seven tips, T I P S. Goodbye, said 725 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 5: M