WEBVTT - Chapter 2 | Ride or Die 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:05.160 This series includes sensitive and potentially distressing topics, including sexual 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:24.640 assault and abuse involving children. Listener discretion is advised. Josette 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.160 Wright's bones were found in the woods off of Fields 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:32.640 Lane on November twenty two, nineteen ninety five. Two nights later, 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.040 Anthony was riding in a car with a couple of 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.760 his boys, or road dogs as he liked to call them. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.760 One of them was his best friend, Andy Kreebak. 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.880 Had a lot of adrenaline, a lot of energy, very energetic. 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.479 Oh my god, that kid, he would just want to go. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.760 The kid at the wheel was Dom Neglier. At six 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:56.160 foot four and three hundred plus pounds. He was even 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.480 bigger and more imposing than Anthony. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.720 This case forearms or like horselegs, Like it's just insane. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.520 This guy right now, I'm close to six six six' 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.280 five and it depends on my. Shoes but he was. 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.200 Big but he was like big and, big like you. 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:19.040 Know the three of them were headed out Of Putnam. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.840 County we decided we want to go to This Jersey City. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.240 Rave AND i actually didn't want to just go to 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.240 The Jersey City. RAVE i wanted to try to make. 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:35.240 Money anthony was HAWKING, pcp better known As Angel, dust 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.200 and en route they were getting souped on their own. 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:44.080 Supply that was the TIME i picked up sixty bags of. 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.520 Dust think of a Tiny manila envelope and then a 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:51.760 little bag in. It back, then they had these big baggy. 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.919 Coats they Were jean jacket coats with all these metal 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.880 buckles on them and, stuff and they had these super 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.760 big deep pockets and STUFF i just do in my. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:05.360 Pockets they were headed south on The Sawmill parkway when 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:06.560 one of them, said. 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.080 Oh my, god do you know who sister they found 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:10.680 up in the. Woods they said they found her. 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:15.880 Bones anthony And andy barely Knew, joset but they partied 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.320 with her older, Sister chloe a few years. Back dom 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.720 meanwhile didn't know the. Girl he'd been raised in a different, 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.920 town but he got caught up in their chatter as he. 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:31.480 Drove when they reached The Jersey club in a dusted, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.679 Haze anthony handed some of his merch off to his. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.280 BOYS i gave you a bunch To dome And i'm, like, 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.360 WELL i Figure dom is big and people are going 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.680 to be scared of, him not to do anything stupid 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:43.320 or try to rob. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:48.160 Him but several hours later they left the club. SALTY 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:53.000 i didn't make a. Dime back in the, car dom 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.280 was at the wheel again. Well anthony struggled to keep 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:56.760 his eyes. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:02.400 Open i'm fucking, Zouited i'm. Zooted i'm sitting in the front. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.959 Seat i'm not blacked. Down i'm aware of what's around, 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.120 me But i'm just so tired from all this sudjusting 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:10.080 dust AND i had my eyes. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:15.360 Close they were heading home around five am and taking 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.720 back roads to avoid The putnam, cops but somehow the 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.880 cops knew they were. Coming anthony panicked as their blue 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:25.079 lights blazed up in the. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:29.520 MIRROR i had no shot BECAUSE i was so. HIGH 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:33.440 i had drugs in every pocket a mile and BASICALLY 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.800 i got the stuff in my lap and my coat 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.040 and my, pants and it's like falling out of me. 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.040 Everywhere the cops caank the three of them meta car 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.920 and cuffed and stuffed into the separate. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.880 Cruisers me And andy were in the same, car and 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:51.320 then they Get dominic in another. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.520 Car they Brought anthony And andy to The Putnam county jail, 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.200 house then put them in basement jail. 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.160 CELLS i just Hear andy and to sell next to, 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:03.680 Me he's, like, yo you got to help me. OUT 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.120 i only have one, back say it was. 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:10.800 Yours the Way anthony, suited he does the calculation when 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.040 more bad to the thirties holding it don't make no 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:18.720 difference when he's. Charged, Besides andy's more of a brother than, 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.240 buddy and this is the least you do. 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:22.160 For a, brother. 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.080 The, bear saying That andy had been arrested, before in 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:31.200 fact twice that very year for. Possession anthony had spent 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:35.279 some nights in lockup, too though for juvenile, nonsense not. 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.520 Drugs so both boys were bummed about this latest, bust 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.760 and not just because they were caught with felony. Weight 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.320 what they couldn't have known that night or the weeks 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.479 to follow was that this was so much bigger than. 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:54.360 Drugs like the lost boys they, were they just walked 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:59.120 into a, nightmare a nightmare that would take them decades 0:04:59.279 --> 0:04:59.800 to wake up. 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:26.960 For do you my? Madness, laughteries my, fears, sorrows deaths are. 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:35.400 Endless this valley of, ears. 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.640 This is The devil's. 0:05:49.680 --> 0:06:02.039 Quarry in The Putnam sheriff's case file on the murder 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.800 Of Joseph, right you'll find page after page of the 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:10.880 CoP's handwritten. Scribbles some of those scribbles Concern anthony And. 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.679 Andy but what isn't in there is a clear story 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.560 of their personal and criminal. Backgrounds if there was, one 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.479 it might sound something like. This beginning a decade prior 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.479 when the boys' lives took a hard. 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:25.880 Turn. 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.679 Anthony And andy had been each other's ride or die 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.240 since they were of grade school. 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:43.920 AGE i Met andy around, ten maybe. Eleven we're family like, Now, 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:46.160 oh they're family all. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.680 Right When anthony was, eight he stumbled in on his 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:55.240 father having. Sex anthony was. Confused for one, thing the 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.440 woman in question wasn't his. Mom his mom was in 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:02.719 the hospital covering from. Sir for, another the woman was 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.200 a lot younger Than anthony's mom and his. 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:13.000 DAD i heard, seventeen but eighteen at. BEST i was 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.360 coming out of my, room and then they were on the. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.320 COUCH i didn't understand WHAT i was looking. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:23.800 At that young woman Was Donna, Krevac andy's older. Sister 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:29.800 anthony's dad ended up Marrying Donna. KREVAC. I, Meanwhile anthony 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:33.400 and his mom moved to family, shelters where they survived 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:38.600 on public assistance for several. Years anthony's only consolation was 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:39.800 Meeting donna's kid Brother. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:45.520 Handy he winds up translating into my step. Uncle the 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:53.560 two boys became fast. Friends you, know he was, crazy you, 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.920 know if it's de defiany. Door he did a stint 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.640 or two in. Juvie he would like to take his 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.400 dirt bike and the cops would be chasing, him and 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.000 he would just go with the dirt. Bike Tomb he 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.640 love to be chased by The, copsume, zoom. 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:11.320 Zoom what the two boys had in common was their 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.800 betrayal by a. Parent andy's mom had been out of 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.960 the picture for, years and then his stepmom walked. Out 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.480 she was the closest thing he'd had to a. Mom 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.400 he soon began to act out in, class getting into 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.840 scrapes with the other. Kids by the time he ate his, 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.920 tweins he'd been bounced to special, schools the kind for 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:38.840 kids with conduct. Disorders the misery loved, company especially in. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.839 Childhood anthony had been gutted by the rupture in his. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:47.239 Life suddenly broke and, homeless he'd had to change, schools 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:52.240 and at his new, one the bullies were. Relentless all 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.800 these other kids had great, families big swimming, pools nice. 0:08:55.840 --> 0:09:00.480 Houses Now i'm wearing garbage clothes like couch potato shirt 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.400 and ripped jeans and cheap, sneakers and they would make 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.640 fun of me for. This they would spin on, me 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.120 they would throw things at, me a lot of people 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.840 calling me To, pippo to hippop because Now i'm eating 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.600 all bad. Stuff because what do you have access to 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.080 when you're? Poor are you cheap? 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.840 Food you, know and you eat a lot of it 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.280 when you don't have it. Around SO i always, harbored 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.079 kind of like a resentment for these people that would 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:25.760 make fun. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.480 Of meat and the other thing he And andy had 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:34.120 in common they love the meathead circus Of. WrestleMania wrestling 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.520 was like the typical good first. Bad you Have Luke, 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.040 skywalker you Have Darth. Vader every hero needs a, villain 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:45.400 and so for me that wound up being Like Hulk 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.840 hogan And andrea a. Giant Hulk hogan at the time 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:54.440 represented everything, good at least the character. Right And andy 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.880 would watch the pay per views At andy's, house acting 0:09:57.960 --> 0:09:59.200 at the stunts they saw on. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:04.920 Screen so they had this big blue cage And Hulk 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.319 cogan was beating up kN Kongk. Bundy his ribs were, 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.240 taped and then all of a, Sudden bundy did the 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.560 splash an avalanche in the. Corner he hits them with the, 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.160 splash and we think it's, over and Then Hulk hogan 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:18.040 kicks out and then he goes against the cage and 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.480 then picks them up and slams them and then pins 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.280 them and then does all this flexing and, stuff And i'm, 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.280 like that was really. 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:32.000 Cool but the two friends wrestling with their rewrite desk 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.480 the way to change their storylines in. Life they started 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:41.080 lifting weights and practicing kickflips in their, basement and they 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:45.800 staged those many WrestleManias in their. Backyards and as they get, 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:50.080 bigger they shared other things, too for cigarettes and beer 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:54.880 than weed AND. Pcp on many an, afternoon you'd find 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.320 him in some kid's basement Cranking Wu tang and talking 0:10:58.400 --> 0:10:59.640 game to the ninth grade. 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:04.160 GIRL i didn't have a brother of my. AGE i, 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.920 mean he's the closest thing That i've had to having a. 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:14.080 Brother from the town's, perspective these two were partners in. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:19.240 Crime they sold in consumed narcotics and shared them with 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.760 that risk girls from the group, home Which josette was 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:31.240 often seen hanging out back to that bag of angel 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:35.320 does the cops found In andy's pocket When andy Asked 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:41.240 anthony to claim it was. His anthony didn't the thing, twice. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:44.079 SO i told the. Cops i'm, like, hey this, guy 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:45.600 you gotta let him. GO i was just wearing that 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.000 coat AND i accidentally must have put that in his. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.040 Pocket but you, know they didn't let him. Go they 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:52.600 didn't let me. 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:54.280 Go and what About? 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.360 Dom he went home that? 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:01.720 Night, Yeah dom had been released after a few. Hours andy, 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.640 meanwhile went home a few days later with a misdemeanor 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:09.120 count for, possession but Not. Anthony he wound up with 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.880 a felony charge and sat in the county sail for six. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.440 Weeks you couldn't make. Bail what was the? 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.480 Problem, No, Well Big larry thought THAT i should learn my. 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.559 Lesson Big larry Was anthony's. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:27.560 Stepdad he'd entered the frame After anthony's folks, split and 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.360 eventually pulled the boy and his mom out of. Crisis 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.240 he moved them into his big house In carmel and 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:38.559 Treated anthony like he was his own. Son better, Still 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:42.120 Big larry had a rep around. Town he owned a 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.720 thriving waste management firm and said to have had. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:50.120 CONNECTIONS i, mean if you asked the district, attorney he's 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.800 probably gonna tell you he's a. Mobster but he's just 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.720 a really good hearted person in the garbage. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:00.680 Business Big larry had tried to steer ante he's straight 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.240 when he dropped out of school at. Sixteen he also 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:08.200 hired him a lawyer for his earlier, scrapes so, Naturally 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.200 anthony phoned him after THE pcp, BUST. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.040 I Called Big larry And i'm, Like, larry you, KNOW 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.040 i was Begging larry help me, out And larry's, like 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.120 you need to sit there and then, eventually. 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.520 But after this, bust, no he wasn't gonna do, It 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.559 So anthony would have to gut it, out sweating two 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:30.040 years of dope through his, pores but detoxing cold turkey 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:31.440 in a basement sell. 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:32.680 For the least of his. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.320 Worries the real terror was waiting. 0:13:36.440 --> 0:14:02.080 Upstairs the jail itself is connected to The sheriff's. Office 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.760 the building is won so it's a pipeline of information 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:06.720 whatever they want. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.400 From anthony had been to lock up before and had 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:13.199 a sense of how the place. Functioned whenever The sheriff's 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.680 detectives wanted. Intel they called down and, say send me, 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:17.720 in made up meat. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.080 Up and they get. Them people that are going are 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.000 either under interrogation or the, rats and they're going to 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:24.320 give some. 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:29.000 Information and so the morning After anthony's, arrest the guard 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.720 sent him. Upstairs still wasted from the night, before he 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.800 sat with two detectives in an interrogation. Room they started 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.160 off asking him who he hung, with local folks who 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:45.520 popped up on their, Radar and then they suddenly switched 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:52.080 started asking About Joseph. Right anthony. Flinched he'd been popped for. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.400 Possession what did that have to do with the dead? 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.880 Girl did you see the? Girl, YEAH i SAW i 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.960 walk around a few. Times we knew the. Girl we 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.400 knew a little bit about her family, life we knew 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.920 she wandered a. Lot this went on for a while 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:13.560 to no. Effect when those cops gave, up in came 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:14.040 the heavy. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:20.120 Hitters there was A costaldo Packed. 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.520 Costaldo The elvis impersonator with a pompa do her Hairdar 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:28.640 as the cop who Investigated josette's. Disappearance he'd been namely 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:33.760 detective in her. Murder there Was Bill Quick quick Like 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.760 nostaldo was a veteran detective at The Putnam Sheriff's, office 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.840 but neither of them had run a homicide, before and 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.120 Once Joe said's body was, found they were under fierce 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:45.960 pressure to get a. 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.640 Result they were getting aggressive and they were trying to be, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:54.360 like we, know you know. Something they were accusatory and raised, 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.520 voices and then one cop would go, out and then 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.920 then we have another cop come in and be, like 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.160 you should just tell them a little bit better and 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.920 what more you, know and he would be more. Nicer 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:05.640 so the good cop bad cop was a real. 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.440 Thing according To, anthony one of the cops playing bad 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.840 cop was a dinosaur Named Don. 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.760 Killarney you know when they say you, age everything gets, 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:20.600 Bigger well that really happened to this. Guy i'm sitting 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:24.560 across From Don killarney And i'm, like, LISTEN i don't like. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.720 THIS i played the. FIT i want my. Lawyer he's, 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:32.520 like fuck, you fuck the, fit and fuck your. Lawyer 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.480 we have a murder case. Here and he was like 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.640 big with his hands were out and you know all 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:43.920 ears all knows all. Forehead they Interrogated anthony for. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:48.680 HOURS a week or so, Later anthony was driven to Neighboring, 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.680 brewster where he was arraigned on the felony drug. Count 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.480 on their way back to lock, up the detective at 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:57.360 the wheel turned to. 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:02.480 Him Michael ball drew back from the felony hearing In 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.600 brewster and he put me in a front. Seat AND 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.880 i didn't have no handcuffs, on Right he, Says see 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.840 how easy you're sitting, There and it's gonna be really 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.920 easy for. You we got this investigation with this little. 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.320 GIRL i know you're involved with all these, Drugs like 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.480 we know you're doing A, pcp we know you know, 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:20.720 Everybody we know you know. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:26.479 Something and, then according To, Anthony balls town. Shifted we 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.320 could touch. It the at least said give you witness, 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.320 protection pay your way to, college. 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.320 He, says or you know WHAT i can. DO i 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.119 can take you over The Fields lane right now and 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:38.680 blow your head. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:49.320 Off over the course of the next, week Says, anthony 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.920 he was hauled into interrogation rooms half a dozen. Times 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.440 in one of those, sessions he agreed to a polygraph. 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:00.919 TEST i sit down into this chair AND i remember 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.280 NOTICE i looked at the. MACHINE a machine said nineteen 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:07.680 sixty nine and even in ninety, Five i'm like, that 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:11.800 it looks like an earthquake, machine right rode of dials 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.040 and then he, puts like you know when they do 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.840 the oxygen for. You he puts one on my, pinky 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.439 and then he puts a blood pressure cuff on. Me 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.920 and he's got three cards and he pulls one card. 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:25.720 Out he's, like one's going to be a, lie but 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.040 you just say yes to. Everything so he's, like, here 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.280 does this card have a blue dot? Yes does this 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.199 card have a red dot? Yes does this car to 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.040 have a yellow dot? Yes and one of the cards got. 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.280 Different next THING i, know my lawyer literally breaks through 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:41.920 the door and he had like a red eye FROM 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:43.760 i don't. Know he must have got hit with, something 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.200 so one eye was completely. Red he's got like this 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.159 long buster and he just looked like a hero in 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:52.200 a freaking wind and he, says you got to get 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.479 my client off this. Thing you got to come with, 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.880 Me you got to get out of. Here that, Lawyer Jim, 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.840 reids had helped him out of scrapes the. Past to this, 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.680 day Though anthony has no idea How reechs knew about 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:09.640 the polygraph. Test i'm, Like, jim what's going? On he's, 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:10.800 like we're gonna make you. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:16.359 Confess the guards Brought anthony back to his cell the 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.240 first chance he. Got he called home in a. 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.560 PANIC i was yelling With larry on the. PHONE i 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:23.960 think they're going to charge me with. Murder you got 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:24.679 to get me out of. 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:29.960 Here this Time larry heard him. Out he Helped anthony make. 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.760 Bail but If anthony thought that his nightmare was, over 0:19:34.440 --> 0:20:01.200 well he didn't know This Putnam county. Detectives By january 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.760 of ninety, Six anthony was out of, jail back home 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:08.960 with his mom and. Stepdad he was pulling regular shifts 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:11.840 For Big, larry who was trying to keep his problem 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:12.480 step job. 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.280 Busy larry's, like you should go hang on the. Truck 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:21.080 so Now i'm working in the garbage. BUSINESS i love 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.600 the garbage. Business you were hanging the truck and you 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.800 throw it hair in your. Wind all these you, know these, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.520 women these old ladies coming out with sandwiches and foil 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.840 and old cake that tastes like. Asparagus and you, know 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.920 all the delis would be giving me, sandwiches bars and hot. 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.159 Wings and it was really the time of my. Life 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:46.200 alas when he wasn't pulling. Garbage he was getting up to, 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:52.920 trouble partying with his crew like nothing had. Happened WHEN 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.000 i came. Home the next thing Was. 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:59.760 Neglia That's big Domb, naghlia the guy behind the. Wheel 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.960 the three of them got pinned for. Possession anthony wasn't 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:07.320 seeing much of handy those, days But Big dom. 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:11.639 Was right there for, him so like he was picking me. 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.280 Up we would hang. Out sometimes we Go. Newburg we 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:17.320 would go To New York city and we would drive 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.040 back and you, know sometimes we just go get pot 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:23.480 and we'd hang. Out and one day we were In 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:28.679 Dan barry and he said something About Susan. Wright wait a, 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.919 Second susan, right as In josette's. 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:35.240 Mom anthony knew her from when he partied at the 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:39.840 right house With josette's oldest. Sister But Dom dom didn't 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:40.280 grow up In. 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:44.520 Carmel that didn't make me feel good because why is 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:48.320 he even know this person's? Name AND i looked at him, 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:52.679 funny and it felt LIKE i was being. 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:57.640 Recorded sitting in that. Car anthony flashed to the night 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:01.520 they were all arrested FOR. Pcp it's something That dom 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:04.120 did that night as they were driving home that had 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:05.240 never made sense to. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:10.880 Him dominick does something really really really really. Weird he's, 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:13.879 LIKE i got to call my. Grandmother he's lived on 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:19.760 his grandmother at the. Time it's somewhere between three four maybe. 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.360 Am it was just, like why are you calling your grandmother, 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:24.240 sleeve she's probably sleep. 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.720 Be anthony was half asleep. Himself andy was zonked in 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:32.600 the back, seat So dom pulled over and made his phone. 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:36.280 Call After dom made the phone, call it was all back. 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.239 Roads i'm, like we got to be really. Safe so 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:41.880 we're driving behind the hospital and we're using all these 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.879 backways and, shit and that's when we get pulled. 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:49.000 Over it came back to him Now dom got into 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:52.680 a separate cop car that. Night what happened in that 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.639 car and why they Let dom go home after they 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.320 booked him And andy for? Possession Was dom the reason 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.480 those cops grew tolled him About josette threat to kill 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:06.000 him if he didn't come. Clean el Was dom still 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:08.600 working with The putnam cops to pin the murder of 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:12.479 a twelve year old on? Him anthony snapped back to the. 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:16.760 Present he Told dom to pull, over got out of a. Car, 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:20.679 yeah BUT i slammed the door on. HIM i slammed 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:21.880 the door in his face AND i called. 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:22.320 Him around. 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:29.240 For. 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.560 Anthony things took a turn after that. Night In Big dom's, 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:37.480 Car he'd started sniffing cocaine all night. Raves now he 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:42.480 sniffed or smoked it, whenever and that habit fed his mounting. 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:47.080 Paranoia after four or five months of bad choices and 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:50.680 daily drug, Use anthony felt his life spinning. 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:54.399 Out when you do cocaine for a long period of, 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.439 time it starts to wear on. You my mind was 0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:00.160 kind of, changing like the street life this. Is it's 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:01.800 all like starting to stress me. 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:06.480 Out and so In june of ninety, Six anthony decided 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:09.199 to make a. Change he was on parole at the 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.000 time and figured the smart thing to, do let's just 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.720 go back to, jail violate parole by failing a drug, 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.880 test and then use the time and lock up to hit. 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:23.399 Reset he was, relieved even excited about the. 0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:27.760 Prospect i'm actually feeling Like i'm going to make a 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:30.119 change in my. Life you, Know Big larry's trying to 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:33.560 push me off into a college direction or working for, 0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:36.639 Him So i'm, like this is a nice reset for 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.320 me be out fresh for the. Summer my job. Back 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:42.080 So i'm, like WHEN i head in And i'm gonna 0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:44.320 come out fresher than, ever my life is going to 0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:45.080 be fricking. 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:48.520 Beautiful so he went back to jail with a chin 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:50.679 up high for a twenty day stint In. 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:56.120 County i'm on day, ten eleven. Twelve there's NO TVs down. 0:24:56.160 --> 0:25:01.280 Here right on the fourteenth day was, first nineteen ninety. 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:09.320 SIX i get called the. BOOKING i go up to. 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:13.040 Booking they SAID bci wants to SEE Bci bureau Of 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:18.200