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Speaker 2: Me, I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many

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Speaker 2: players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day? Eda State?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Woo whoom and then and tie, Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: the last year of the four team College Football Playoff

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Speaker 1: could not have ended in any more dramatic fashion. We

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Speaker 1: had one game go to overtime. We had another game

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Speaker 1: come down to the final play. As such, your College

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Speaker 1: Football Playoff National Championship game a week from today or

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Speaker 1: almost a week from today, will be Michigan against Washington.

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Speaker 1: Over the next hour or so, we're going to detail

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Speaker 1: how it came to that, why we are so breathless

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Speaker 1: now as we recap everything that transpired on New Year's

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Speaker 1: Day and also talk a little bit more about what

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Speaker 1: took place in the other New Year six college football

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Speaker 1: bowl games. It is a pleasure to be with you,

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Speaker 1: good sir. How goes it?

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Speaker 2: It's a Big ten world tie and we're all just

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Speaker 2: along for the ride. Old Big ten, new Big ten

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Speaker 2: coming together for championship football. The North tie and what

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Speaker 2: happens an.

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Speaker 1: Believable way to close out this first round of bowls

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Speaker 1: with our two College Football Playoffs Semifinals, Michigan winning twenty

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Speaker 1: seven to twenty in overtime over Alabama. We just got

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Speaker 1: Texas thirty seven to thirty one. That game came down

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Speaker 1: to the final play. Look, we're excited to be here.

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Speaker 2: It's one plus am local time for you as we

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Speaker 2: record this, so you're just throwing out syllables. Wow, where

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Speaker 2: should we start? Okay, let's start with the earlier matchup.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the Rose Bowl. Let's start with Alabama

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Speaker 2: Michigan Michigan Alabama as it were, and going to overtime

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Speaker 2: and the back and forth nature of one team looking

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Speaker 2: interception on the opening play, until it turns out Caleb

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Speaker 2: So it seemed the Michigan, through the punt return catching

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a fascinating matchup. I mean, really,

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Speaker 2: when you look at all four of these teams in

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Speaker 2: the playoff, it's sort of like a perfect fish bowl

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Speaker 2: biggest fish in the fish bowl, given their season and

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Speaker 2: is wild to think about everything that has gone into it,

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Speaker 2: and then specifically with Alabama Michigan, I really do think

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Speaker 2: it came down to Michigan's ability to lock in on

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Speaker 1: He had a quarterback draw, yeah, he had. He had

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Speaker 1: that final play in overtime, fourth down, trying to get

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Speaker 1: I think of when I think of this game. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was interesting that Michigan not interesting. It

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Speaker 2: was impressive that Michigan was able to force Alabama to

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Speaker 2: with his arm and did take those shots. Largely weren't

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Speaker 2: there largely the Michigan secondary. If the Michigan front wasn't

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Speaker 2: and Michigan with the ball, they weren't running it super consistently.

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Speaker 2: We had stretches where both of these teams were trading punts.

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Speaker 2: But it did seem like everything Alabama was doing to succeed,

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Speaker 2: most of it seemed more difficult for Alabama that they

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Speaker 2: not miraculously it's his skill, but that he was able

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Speaker 1: The plan couldn't agree more. Yeah, I mean, Jalen Milroe

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Speaker 2: And maybe we're just not smart enough to know why

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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh was so successful in icing his own quarterback

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Speaker 1: The reverse, the reverse crystal ball. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: Some folks have said I only read the box scores.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I do. I don't know. I don't understand

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Speaker 2: And subsequently picked against them the very first opportunity he

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Speaker 1: It was only twenty seven to twenty four. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: The one for the players, For the players. The players

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Speaker 1: And we talked about this in the preview. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: was the difference between Michael Pennix and to be honest,

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Speaker 1: every other quarterback in the playoff. Michael Penix throws guys

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Speaker 1: open in a way that very few in college football

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Speaker 1: new did this season. He's just that good, and he's

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Speaker 1: got a receiving corps that is equally as good an

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Speaker 1: NFL caliber receiving corps that is in the right spots,

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Speaker 1: that is physically equipped with the tools to make some

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Speaker 1: of these incredible acrobatic catches to get space to get open.

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Speaker 1: There was a play at the end. I mean, Michael

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Speaker 1: Penix underthrew it. It was a very wise interference foul

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Speaker 1: by I forget which Texas defender it was, but Roma

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Speaker 1: Dunza had like five yards on what would have been

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Speaker 1: a game icing touchdown late in this game, and Penick

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Speaker 1: just under threw them a little bit. I mean, these

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Speaker 1: guys their ability to get open and like you said,

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Speaker 1: Penix's ability to move around in the pocket, despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that Texas didn't blitz him a whole lot. Texas

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Speaker 1: tries to get pressure with its front four. They had

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Speaker 1: exactly zero quarterback hurries and zero sacks in this game.

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Speaker 1: They got minimal pressure on him. He was able to

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Speaker 1: pick his spots. He creates time for me.

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Speaker 2: I mean they flushed him and forced him to throw it.

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Speaker 2: They affected him, and the passage.

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Speaker 1: They affected him for sure, But his ability to move

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Speaker 1: and still be comfortable and still find those guys that

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Speaker 1: are open down the field is what makes him different

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Speaker 1: and what makes him special. I don't know how many

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Speaker 1: moments they were in this game where you or I

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Speaker 1: audibly yelped because of a pass that he put on

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Speaker 1: the money in stride, a guy streaking down the field

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Speaker 1: over the middle, throwing it three quarters with zip across

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Speaker 1: into the end zone for a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Watts looking up along the sideline as Roma Doonza

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Speaker 2: is already catching it behind him. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean there were all sorts of moments like this,

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Speaker 1: and it was a parent I thought to both of us. Now, obviously, again,

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Speaker 1: this game ended up tightening up down the stretch in

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Speaker 1: a really cool and fun and dramatic way. I guess

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Speaker 1: if you're not rooting for Washington or Texas just as

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Speaker 1: a neutral observer, but it did feel in the early

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Speaker 1: part of this game like there is no way Texas

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Speaker 1: can hang on and keep this one close with the

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Speaker 1: way that Michael Penix is dealing. Right with the way

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Speaker 1: that he is dealing, it just felt like he offered

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Speaker 1: Washington such an unmatched advantage, there was no chance that

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Speaker 1: Texas keep this close. But then you looked at the

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Speaker 1: scoreboard and it's like, all right, well that said, it's

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Speaker 1: twenty one. All that said to your earlier point, Texas

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Speaker 1: was able to run the football. They could have run

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Speaker 1: the football seventy times in this game and been just

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Speaker 1: as effective on offense. They had a lot going for

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Speaker 1: them on the ground, but there were so.

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Speaker 2: Weirdly not running the football early when it was apparent

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Speaker 2: that Washington was not able to fill the necessary.

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Speaker 1: Lanes to stop. But some mistakes. We talked about penalties,

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Speaker 1: we talked about some of these other things on the periphery.

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Speaker 2: Drops. I mean, look, Quinn yours had a couple of

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Speaker 2: pretty key drops. Jayden blew up the sideline being one

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Speaker 2: of them, which is like nothing more you can do.

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Speaker 1: So one of those deals where I think Washington clearly

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Speaker 1: had the best player on the field. Washington clearly had

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Speaker 1: the better receiving court on the field. Their ability to

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Speaker 1: use those tools at their disposal to get separation and

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Speaker 1: to assert dominance in some way, shape or form, that

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Speaker 1: was apparent if you watch this game. But Texas, Texas

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Speaker 1: was right there again, Texas put itself in a position

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Speaker 1: to win this one late, albeit sort of a miracle

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Speaker 1: to get as close to the goal line as they

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Speaker 1: did given the circumstances and no timeouts and whatever else.

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Speaker 1: Washington thirty seven, Texas thirty one.

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Speaker 2: Is your hung on winners win, right. That's the kalend

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Speaker 2: de Bor phrase. And both of these teams were tested

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Speaker 2: with close games. Washington hasn't really played a comfortable game

507
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Speaker 2: in quite some time. They just keep pulling these games out,

508
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Speaker 2: and it is a testament to the coaching. It's a

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Speaker 2: testament to the preparation. And honestly, like if you're watching

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Speaker 2: this game and forget like the ten best throws, the

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Speaker 2: fifteen best throws or whatever, like if you're talking about

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Speaker 2: fourth and goal in that Jalen Milroe moment and you're saying, okay,

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Speaker 2: the Texas offense or the Washington offense, it just seemed

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Speaker 2: like Washington would be ready to roll on fourth and

515
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Speaker 2: goal from the four yard line with three plays that

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Speaker 2: they were ninety three percent sure, each of them, ninety

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Speaker 2: three percent sure that they would work with a tight

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Speaker 2: end leaking out somewhere or a running back in the

519
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Speaker 2: flat with somebody crossing and pulling somebody out, whatever it was,

520
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Speaker 2: that there is that element of like, we are ready

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Speaker 2: for this moment. And you saw it against usc you

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Speaker 2: saw it in those wins against Oregon, you saw it

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Speaker 2: against you know, Wazoo on that fourth down where they

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Speaker 2: call the end around Roma Dunze. They're just like, we

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Speaker 2: have something, we're pretty sure, we're pretty positive is built

526
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Speaker 2: for this specific moment and just good football to watch.

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Speaker 2: It's not the most fun thing for me as somebody

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Speaker 2: interested in Oregon winning a bunch of games, but like,

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Speaker 2: how do you not tip your cap at a certain point?

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Speaker 2: Like I picked against Washington twice when Oregon played them

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Speaker 2: and when we previewed this game, which is like, it's

532
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Speaker 2: not fun to pick against this team when you can

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Speaker 2: see what Michael Pennix and these receivers can do. And

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Speaker 2: so I'm gonna try being on this side of history

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Speaker 2: this week against Texas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, one of the I think

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Speaker 1: main reasons that people would pick Texas. Yeah, We've talked

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Speaker 1: about why we think Texas is a solid team, why

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Speaker 1: we thought they were a complete product in some sense,

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Speaker 1: right the Washington defense. The Washington defense statistically was the

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Speaker 1: worst unit on any.

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Speaker 2: Field in the playoff.

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Speaker 1: In the playoff, yeah, came up big in some moments

544
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Speaker 1: this season, but statistically over the course of the that

545
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Speaker 1: was actually the worst of all eight of the units

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Eight pass breakups, eight pass breakups compared

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Speaker 1: to Texas's one h On some level, that speaks to

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Speaker 1: the quality of the secondary. Some level that speaks to

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Speaker 1: the quality of Michael Pennox, right. I mean, you could

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Speaker 1: slice and dice that in a million different ways, but

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Speaker 1: a really impressive win here for Washington. They hang on

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Speaker 1: now going into this National Championship game they played in

553
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Speaker 1: Houston at the nerg January the eighth. I looked at

554
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Speaker 1: the early line, it's four and a half in favor

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Speaker 1: of Michigan. This game presents a whole bunch of interesting

556
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Speaker 1: matchups that we're going to dive much more into over

557
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Speaker 1: the course of the next week. I think our plan

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Speaker 1: right now is to drop our official preview some point

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Speaker 1: later in the week, maybe Friday or so. We've got

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Speaker 1: a little concept where we're cooking up here. More to

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Speaker 1: come on that front, but interesting matchups, interesting matchups. Again,

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Speaker 1: I think we're going to talk about a lot of

563
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Speaker 1: the same stuff that we did with Michigan against Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Different teams, but again, what happens if Michigan is able

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Speaker 1: to control the point of attack in the same manner

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Speaker 1: that they did against Alabama. That is a very very

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Speaker 1: interesting chess match with the Michigan front, specifically against that

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Speaker 1: Washington front, which I think is really going to decide

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Speaker 1: this football game. Obviously. Michael Pennix, right, Michael Pennix. In

570
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Speaker 1: another big game scenario. JJ McCarthy, who to a large degree,

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Speaker 1: surprisingly so has been overshadowed by a lot of what

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Speaker 1: has gone on in the Michigan world so far this season.

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Speaker 1: Terrific quarterback in his own right. You know, we've talked

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Speaker 1: on this touchdown pass today through a touchdown that's not

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Speaker 1: something we've seen lately, no, I mean, we've talked about

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy and how they've used him as of late.

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy had a really big moment late in this game.

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Speaker 1: How does he perform against the secondary that's obviously pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Showed that it's pretty good against a good passing offense

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Speaker 1: in the Texas Longhorns. So we're going to get into

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Speaker 1: that much much more, I promise to you throughout the

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Speaker 1: course of the week, But place your bets now. We've

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Speaker 1: got a four and a half point line in favor

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Speaker 1: of the Michigan Wolverines my preseason national championship pick. Just

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Speaker 1: throwing that out there one more time. Make sure everybody

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Speaker 1: knows that.

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00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: A classic Big ten team taking on a new Big

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Speaker 2: ten team in what was Big twelve country, but now

589
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: it appears to be sec country. The energy emanating off

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00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: of two of the absolute capitals of this sport, Seattle

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Speaker 2: and just outside of Detroit.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Make sure you hit subscriber follow please.

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Speaker 1: On the podcast, we do this thing called doodle alerts.

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Speaker 3: Some players are good, some are great, and some are

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Speaker 1: All right, I know we've done this thing before where

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Speaker 1: we kind of retire dudes so that they can no

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Speaker 1: longer be given this.

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Speaker 2: It's just the Their duty in this is self evident. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: their duty in this is self evident. But we would

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Speaker 2: be fools if we didn't give one of these to

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Speaker 2: Michael PENNOCKX full. We have to give it to Michael Pennix.

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00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: Four hundred and thirty yards passing pretty much threw Washington

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Speaker 2: into the National Championship, not just in this game, really

605
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Speaker 2: throughout the course of the year. Michael Pennix obviously is

606
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Speaker 2: one of the dudes. Who else do we got? Typically

607
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Speaker 2: we give out three, right, I have Texas tight end

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Speaker 2: Malik Agbo, who's built like an old Oldsmobile. One catch

609
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Speaker 2: for sixty yards. Yeah, we were on the stream. Yeah,

610
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Speaker 2: and we were watching the game doing a watch a while.

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Speaker 2: We can't broadcast the actual thing. We'll get in trouble

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Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 1: So far as you know, so far as I know,

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Speaker 1: this is like a refrigerator coming into the game. He

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Speaker 1: is a converted lineman. He is six four two nine four,

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Speaker 1: like a stackable washer dryer. Motion just unbelievable. Yeah, caught

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Speaker 1: a pass in this one catch six yards. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: absolute dude, you're a lot. He's an absolute unit. I

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Speaker 1: don't know about a dude. Yeah. Who else do we.

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Speaker 2: Got from the playoffs specifically?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I thought Braylan Trice was all over the place for Washington.

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Speaker 2: Quinn Yewers looked sort of harried a lot of this game,

624
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Speaker 2: and Brailn Trice was making plays all over for Michigan.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the defense, the linebacking corps, in general,

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Speaker 2: whether it was Barrett, whether it was Again, whether it

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Speaker 2: was Junior Colson. I think Junior Colson led the team

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Speaker 2: in tackles. I just I would give it collectively to

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Speaker 2: the Michigan defensive. It's it, you know, you can say

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Speaker 2: the defensive front.

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Speaker 1: But like.

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Speaker 2: Probably like Josiah Stewart, he was all over the place,

633
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Speaker 2: he was the one making plays. I don't know, they

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Speaker 2: completely overwhelmed the Alabama offensive line.

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Speaker 1: I think I think we're kind of on a similar

636
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Speaker 1: wavelength because you know, like when they call a false

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Speaker 1: start on the entire offense, yes, or when they call

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Speaker 1: off side, so it's kind of everybody, yeah, just number seventy two,

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Speaker 1: number forty two. Number. I feel like the Michigan front,

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Speaker 1: the Michigan front and how it was able to control

641
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: things early on is sort of like one big old dude.

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Speaker 1: They did an awesome job against again, an Alabama scheme

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Speaker 1: that wanted to bunch them up and get them to

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Speaker 1: play tight and guard against that power run so that

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Speaker 1: they could air it out and go deep, and for

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Speaker 1: a good chunk of that game, Alabama couldn't really do

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Speaker 1: either with much consistency. We saw early in that game,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Milro taking some shots deep. It just felt like

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Speaker 1: he was kind of throwing it like f and I'm

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Speaker 1: going deep here, regardless of what's going to happen. And

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Speaker 1: I give the Michigan front a lot of credit for

652
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: affecting in the manner that they did. So all right,

653
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: we'll give it to Michael Panax.

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Speaker 2: You ever see a team win a huge game like

655
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: screw brewing up two punts in that major way.

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00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: There were some, certainly some moments of sloppiness in this

657
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: game that they're going to have to get cleared up

658
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: before the Washington game, because you know, it's one thing

659
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: to give Alabama extra possessions or something. It didn't really

660
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: come to that in this game, right, I mean, they

661
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: were fortunate and it wasn't anything that came back to

662
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: bite them too badly, certainly against a team like a Washington,

663
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: though with their potency on offense, it does ask a

664
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: different question if you're giving them more bites at the apple,

665
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: is that something that's going to be a problem. I mean,

666
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom after what we saw today would be yesh.

667
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: But by a large Michigan was able to just sort

668
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: of weather that storm. Despite the fact that there was

669
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Speaker 1: some weird special teams sloppiness.

670
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: At the beginning of the game when JJ McCarthy throws

671
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: a completely indefensible interception. It was between two receivers to

672
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: a leaping I mean, a very athletic, very good Caleb

673
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: Downs who whose heel was still out of bounds as

674
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: he was trying to make his way back in bounds.

675
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 2: He didn't re establish himself when you saw that live

676
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: and maybe this was just me, I thought to myself,

677
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: here we go, first throw intercept it like, here we go,

678
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 2: here's Alabama, right, They're going to get a short field

679
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: turn an immediate turnover into points, absolutely steal a possession,

680
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: and this is going to totally change the complexion of

681
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: this game. And honestly, that his heel was and it

682
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: was the correct call out of bounds and Michigan got

683
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: the ball back, even though I don't think they did

684
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: anything with that drive. Not giving the ball to Alabama

685
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: immediately like that change the complexion of the game. And

686
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: you know those little moments that it wasn't a bailout.

687
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: It was just a fortunate detail. And I think Michigan,

688
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: even with the muffpunt that they lost, and even with

689
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: the muff punt that they were able to maintain possession

690
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: of on their own one yard line. It was putting

691
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: yourself in position to take advantage of fortunate details, and

692
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: so yeah, it was. They were both wild experiences, wild experiences.

693
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: When was the last time we had it? Maybe this

694
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: was last year. I don't even remember. I can't remember

695
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: what I was eating four hours ago. But like, it

696
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: just feels great to have these two bowl games, two

697
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: playoff semis work out well, both of these teams throwing

698
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: haymakers in their own ways, whether it's on defense or offense.

699
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: Coming away with two tight endings at the end, you

700
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen. Like it's it's cool

701
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: to have all your stunt bowls while you're eating mascots

702
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 2: on December twenty seventh, but like this is way more fun.

703
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Speaker 1: Oh, this is great, This is great. Sorry, Yeah, our

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Speaker 1: ten dollars off your very first win. You mentioned the

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Speaker 1: gimmick bowls, you mentioned the other bowls. We're not going

715
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Speaker 1: to do the pop tarts thing yet on today's episode.

716
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Speaker 1: We will come back to the pop tarts thing, I

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Speaker 1: promise you. We did want to talk briefly though, about

718
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Speaker 1: the other New Year's six Bowl games or four. Yeah,

719
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: other games to go through. There was Georgia winning by

720
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Speaker 1: sixty over Florida State, sixty three to three. There was

721
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Speaker 1: Ole miss winning thirty eight to twenty five over Penn

722
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Speaker 1: State in Peach Bowl. There was your Oregon Ducks winning

723
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Speaker 1: earlier today I guess yesterday now forty five to six

724
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Speaker 1: over Liberty. And then there was this Cotton Bowl game.

725
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Speaker 1: If we're going to talk about Michigan and we're saying

726
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: nice things about the Michigan Wolverines, when we have the

727
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: attention of the Michigan faithful, maybe we should say a

728
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: few words about what happened to Ohio State. Maybe just

729
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Speaker 1: make it a nice, nice episode for the mississt there. Okay,

730
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: fourteen to three in the Cotton Bowl. Dan, I'm not

731
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Speaker 1: sure how much of this game you watched. I watched

732
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Speaker 1: every waking second of it because it been high on

733
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Speaker 1: Missoo all year. I've been into Missoo. We both picked

734
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Speaker 1: Miszoo and then I switched it. I switched it right

735
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Speaker 1: before kickoff because the line shifted. Ohio State was actually

736
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: favored by five at kickoff because they were only down

737
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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior, who did eventually opt out. They were

738
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Speaker 1: down Tommy Eikenberg, who the linebacker for Ohio State, who

739
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: was out due to injury, and of course the Kyle

740
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: McCord thing with him transfer stam large. Yeah, it was cuge,

741
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: it was huge. But I switched my pick to Ohio

742
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: State because I'm looking at this and I'm thinking, well,

743
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: if Devin Brown's anything and they're any good, they still

744
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: have more than enough firepower, and they're going to focus

745
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: on Trey Henderson. They're going to focus on, you know,

746
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,479
Speaker 1: building on some of their progress along the offensive line.

747
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Speaker 1: Not great, but you know that's clearly going to be

748
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: the focal point of this offense. I don't know what

749
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: they were doing. I don't know what this plan was

750
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: for Ohio State. It felt like an Ask Madden offense.

751
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: And by that, I mean if you've ever played Madden

752
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: and you hit the square button or whatever triangle start,

753
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: you hit the button where Madden tells you what play

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Speaker 1: to call, and it's not part of any kind of

755
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: cohesive plan or anything like that. It's just Madden picks

756
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Speaker 1: something out of the hat that maybe the algorithm in

757
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: the game thinks you should run in that moment. Yeah,

758
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: it felt like the Ask Madden offense. They didn't really

759
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: focus on any of the stuff we expected them to.

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00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: It felt like it was all over the Devin Brown

761
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: did get hurt, he at the ankle. Obviously they're starting

762
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Speaker 1: like a third stringer at some point or another, but

763
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Speaker 1: it just felt like a So you want to talk

764
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Speaker 1: about situations in the playoffs where key contributors were not trusted.

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00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: It felt like Ryan Day lost trust in his quarterback,

766
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: his running back, his offensive line, his ride receivers. Like

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Speaker 1: I don't know what Ryan Day was thinking with this

768
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: game plan. It was an embarrassing showing. By that, I

769
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: mean Devin Brown got hurt half a quarter in he

770
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: got hurt, but all told, it was still an embarrassing showing.

771
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: It was embarrassing to watch. It was hard to watch.

772
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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not going to be out here

773
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: saying they should get get rid of Ryan Day. Ryan

774
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: Day's a lousy coach. Ryan Day's a very good coach.

775
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: He's a very good coach. He also was following a

776
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Speaker 1: legend in Urban Meyer. It is tough to be a

777
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: very good coach after a objectively great coach. Whatever you

778
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: think of Urban Meyer, you won a lot in Columbus.

779
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 1: And so Ryan Day is now in this really weird

780
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Speaker 1: gray spot, grey area where he's clearly able to attract

781
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Speaker 1: the talent, He's clearly able to win a bunch of games.

782
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Speaker 1: He's been the second best team in the Big Ten

783
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: for a couple of years running, and before that he

784
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: was the best. But this is a really really odd

785
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: spot for Ohio State at this point in time where

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are asking questions for

787
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: good reason about like what is this guy doing? What

788
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: is the plan here? What do they look like moving

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00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: forward with?

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Speaker 2: We have like a true freshman quarterback in a big

791
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Speaker 2: Bowl game, Dan, I think you got to cut him

792
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: a little slack.

793
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: Cut him slack. It didn't feel like there was a plan.

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00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like there's It's one thing to have

795
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: a quarter if you've got a true freshman quarterback. Yeah, okay,

796
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Speaker 1: and you decide we're going to focus a little bit

797
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: more on running the football, on working with our offensive

798
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: line that has shown progress throughout the course of the year.

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Speaker 1: Bear in mind, up until this game, Ohio State had

800
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: started the same five guys offensive line the whole year through.

801
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: Before this game they decided, with thirty days of prep

802
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: they were going to switch things up. That didn't work.

803
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 1: So whatever plan they had to try and feature Trey

804
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: Henderson or try and build on some of their progress

805
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: along the offensive line, that all went out the window

806
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. And then they still had a pretty decent

807
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: complement of wide receiving talent out there, none of which

808
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: they really focused on getting the football. I just thought

809
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: it was a bad showing it.

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00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: At you watched Ohio State all year. It was a

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Speaker 2: bit Kyle mccor. This was worse Dan this.

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00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: Well, of course it was. This was way worse, And

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00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: good on Maszoo for winning. But if Ohio State was

814
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: halfway competent in this game. They could have won. It

815
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: just was not a good plan. It was bad, really bad.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you get like you're you're taking away

817
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: from the bowl games at this point, You're like, these

818
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 2: major bowl games mean so much less. Obviously they mean less.

819
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Speaker 1: But they had all their guys, They had pretty much

820
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Speaker 1: had all their guys.

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Speaker 2: You're you're getting up to play in this if you're

822
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Speaker 2: Ohio State, you lose to Michigan. You want to make

823
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Speaker 2: the playoff every year. You expect to make the playoff

824
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Speaker 2: every year. You recruit like you're going to make the

825
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: playoff every year, and anything less fair or not. And

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Speaker 2: maybe this is, you know, a mark on their culture

827
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: is going to be seen as kind of a failure.

828
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Speaker 2: Even though this is a big bowl game and so one.

829
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Speaker 2: Missus a very good team. Misszoo gave Georgia pretty much

830
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: everything it could handle.

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Speaker 1: On the road.

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00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 2: Miszoo lost a shoot out to LSU. They beat Kansas State,

833
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: like this is a good Miszoo team. They want a

834
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 2: bunch of games in the SEC. They have their starting quarterback,

835
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: which is meaningful in this sport when you have a

836
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: good quarterback and he plays for you. It's meaningful. If

837
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: Kyle McCord isn't good, fine, he's pretty good. He's decent,

838
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: he's okay, he can run this offense. He can win

839
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: a bunch of games at a major conference. And it

840
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: didn't work out. There were obviously, you know, stories and

841
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: whispers about like Ryan Day opening up quarterback competition for

842
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: next year and figuring out if they want to bring

843
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: in a portal guy to compete with them. And I

844
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: understand the trepidation from Kyle McCord and now he's a

845
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 2: Syracuse quarterback because of it, allegedly, But I don't know, man,

846
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: you're down your quarterback, you're down your best offense, like

847
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: clear best offensive playmaker, and you've struggled on offense with

848
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: your starting quarterback against decent teams this year. What was

849
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: the score against Rutgers at halftime? Right, Like, this isn't

850
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying anything you don't know or don't

851
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: haven't said on the show, but like, this isn't what

852
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: we're used to sing. And maybe that is on Ryan Day,

853
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: but like against Missoo specifically, guess Ohio State is not

854
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: where they were these past couple of years with c J. Stroud,

855
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: but like, why was it going to be something more

856
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: interesting with Devin Brown and Lincoln kin Holds.

857
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: If you're an Ohio State fan and you have been

858
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: following what's going on in the portal now that Kyle

859
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: McCord has gone, yeah, you were eager to see what

860
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: Devin Brown definitely brought to this and I got hurt,

861
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: and so it's an incomplete I didn't think you look

862
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: great even before that. Certainly, Lincoln Keenholtz, you know, I

863
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: mean he's young as well. Just six of seventeen eighty

864
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: six yards the rest of the way. This was not

865
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 1: any kind of tour de force on the quarterback side

866
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: of things.

867
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: Also, Ohio State's line has been kind of bad all

868
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: here too.

869
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: Ohio State's line, I just the plan to me felt

870
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: like it was all over the place. It didn't feel

871
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: like they put faith in any of the guys that

872
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: should have put faith in. And outside of Jack Sawyer,

873
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: who had a hell of a game and defense it's

874
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: a championship defense, defense as a whole, which has been

875
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: bawling out all year. Yeah, outside of that, the offense

876
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: left a lot to be desired. And let me just

877
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 1: say this and then we can talk about the Orange

878
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: Bowl if you want to sure, uh, goodwin from Zoo, Oh,

879
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: great good win from Mi Zoo. I don't mean to

880
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: minimize an eleven and two season that featured an off

881
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: season in which they hired Kirby Moore away from Fresno.

882
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: They were tasked with reinventing, recalibrating, repackaging their offense as

883
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: they know it. With Eli Drinkwitz on the hot seats.

884
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: It's hard to do better than eleven and two. Look

885
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: in the SEC, so good on them.

886
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: Fresno, California, the San Joaquin Valley, the heartbeat of college football,

887
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: sending Kaylin de Boor up to Seattle to revive that program,

888
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: sending Kirby Moore to Como to revive that program. I

889
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: think Michigan starts with Fresno that next year. The heartbeat

890
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: of college football runs through the San Joaquin Valley in

891
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: Fresno State.

892
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: Much do you make of the debacle in the Orange

893
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: Bowl sixty three to nothing?

894
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: Not like it's it's sad. It's sad that like these

895
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: are what our quote unquote big games have come to

896
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: be and come to mean to players, But like this

897
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: is what the sport has rot this is a topic

898
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: for another day. But when you have these types of

899
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 2: opt outs and players entering the portal, and obviously the injuries,

900
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: the major one being Jordan Travis, You're just like, what

901
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: is actually happening here? Is there a certain amount of

902
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: unhappiness in Tallahassee or is there a certain amount of

903
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: players just sort of coming face to face with reality,

904
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: And especially for a program where like very specifically they

905
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: were told like, well, you go undefeated, but and so look,

906
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 2: no Tate Rattamaker and Brock Glenn. You know, it makes

907
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: a few plays here and there, but this is not

908
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: a championship caliber This is not a quarterback capable of

909
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: finding weaknesses in the Georgia secondary. And absolutely Stack's yeary

910
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: now yet, and so it just sort of sad that

911
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: this game exists. It's just sort of sad that, like,

912
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: you know, Georgia's obviously of playoff caliber when fully healthy,

913
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 2: in Florida State's obviously of playoff caliber when fully healthy.

914
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: But when the roster looks as different as Florida State's

915
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: roster and too deep looked like going into this game,

916
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: as as it looked like, you know, going into the

917
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: North Alabama game, like I don't know if I saw

918
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: sixteenth as three to three coming, no, but thirty eight

919
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: thirteen something like that, and just so ugly, so quick.

920
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: What was the score at halftime in this one?

921
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: It was I don't even have it in front of me.

922
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: I watched it. I watched on a plane. It was

923
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: coming sort of in and out. My service wasn't great

924
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: on American airlines, and I thought there was like a glitch.

925
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: I thought there was some sort of satellite glitch. When

926
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: I saw this. It was like twenty eight nothing in

927
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 2: the middle of the second quarter or something.

928
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: It was forty it was forty two to three, Yeah,

929
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: forty two to th half time, and you know it

930
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: was obviously it was it was never really a close affair.

931
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: Florida State had twenty five guys that had either opted

932
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: out for the NFL or guys were hurt, guys were

933
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: transferring that type of thing.

934
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: Well, and if you're kind of hurt, like you're going

935
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 2: to come back and play Georgia right with disappointing stakes

936
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: and guys opting out all around you.

937
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean this game I think was a

938
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: lightning rod for obviously a multitude of reasons. The playoff

939
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: thing both of these teams on some level felt like

940
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: they should have been in the playoff. By now, everybody's

941
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: seen the screen cap of the zoom call between Kirby

942
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: Smart and Mike Norvel the day they got the news

943
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't be in the playoff and that they'd

944
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: be playing each other in this bowl game. So it

945
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, motivation on both sides was something that we

946
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: obviously called a bit into question. For Georgia, it was

947
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: most of their guys. Georgia had most of its players

948
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: out there playing in this game, and it really put

949
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: Florida State at a disadvantage because they were down so many.

950
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: This is the game, though, that everybody is kind of

951
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: pointing a finger at, whether you're somebody takesman in sports media,

952
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: whether you're a coach, whether you're an administrator, this is

953
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 1: the game that everybody's pointing at and saying something's wrong

954
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: with college football. Something's wrong with college football, Like you said,

955
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: probably a topic for another podcast, maybe something we can

956
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: get into as the off season gets a little bit deeper,

957
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: But for sure, this highlighted a lot of what I

958
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: think irks people given the state of college football at

959
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: the moment. Whether it's the calendar or the pull to

960
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: the NFL, or the money or nil or the portal.

961
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this really kind of had it all and

962
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot to unpack here. There really is. I

963
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: don't read too much into this lass from Ohio State

964
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: or from Florida State. Excuse me. They were without most

965
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: of their team, and to me, this is not representative

966
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: of them, you know, being a playoff team or not

967
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 1: being a playoff team. I don't think anybody actually takes

968
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: separate thing obviously. Yeah, the two other games here, why

969
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: don't we talk about the Fiesta Bowl?

970
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:11,479
Speaker 2: Sure?

971
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: I think this will be a quick one forty five

972
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: to six. Oregon beat Liberty. Liberty drew first blood, they

973
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: scored a touchdown. I messaged you, like, hey, Dan, what's

974
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 1: going on? Like Liberty looked like they had a little

975
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of fight, and then after

976
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: the first quarter it was six to three.

977
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: That sounds right, yep.

978
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: Oregon then scored touchdowns on its next six drives and

979
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: Liberty did not score the rest of the way.

980
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I said this on the stream. We did

981
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: h RG three, who does a great job because he

982
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: is very entertaining and whether you think he's out of

983
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: his mind or not. I enjoy the entertainment. Liberty had

984
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: a fourth and two on the forty seven, and RG

985
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: three made a point of saying, look, the analytics say,

986
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: you gotta go for it here, right that like the

987
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: expected point. He didn't go into like EPA or anything.

988
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 2: But you gotta go forward here, you know, you gotta

989
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: secure this lead. You gotta like this is what are

990
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: we talking about here? And Oregon proceeded to roll off

991
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 2: what forty two unanswered and win this game. I enjoyed

992
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: watching Bonnicks play one last time. It was cool. This

993
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 2: was not a game I was expecting him to play in,

994
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: and so it was cool to watch him play. Oregon

995
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: was down starting center, starting wide receiver, and Troy Franklin

996
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: at like a record setting receiver for Oregon, but Bucky Irving,

997
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 2: who's leaving for the NFL, decided to play. Look whether

998
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: or not like these guys going to the NFL decided

999
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: to play in big Bowl games or not, I don't

1000
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: think it's a direct like indictment of culture or you know,

1001
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: something that you know, a huge compliment to the culture.

1002
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 2: But it seems like Oregon's in a good place having

1003
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 2: these guys play in this game. They seem to play hard,

1004
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 2: and when things opened up, it really opened up against

1005
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 2: Liberty at one point in the game, and I kind

1006
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: of caught myself like I was disappointed a little bit

1007
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 2: that as an Oregon fan, like why couldn't the Ducks

1008
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: play against Penn State or Ole Miss or Miszoo or

1009
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 2: something like that, Because this was a really terrific year

1010
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: for Oregon and obviously after tonight's performance against Texas, losing

1011
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 2: to Washington very close with opportunities to win, nothing to

1012
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: sort of fully shake your head at, but like to

1013
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: finish this year against a Conference USA team who played

1014
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: the worst schedule in the sport, it's a come down.

1015
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: It still is a come down, and you know it's

1016
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 2: going to be different in a bigger playoff format, but

1017
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: like it made me think that, like, yes, if you

1018
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: have a team like UCAF or Old Boise State or Tulane,

1019
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: like obviously competing and playing a schedule that features Power

1020
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: five teams and finishes in the top ten, twelve, whatever

1021
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: you like, yes they should have a shot. This is

1022
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: a team who has earned it. This year's Liberty team.

1023
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just it felt like it felt

1024
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: so inconsequential at times. And this is something you can

1025
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: talk about with the number of different Bowl games for

1026
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: a number of different reasons, but like this is the festival,

1027
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: who's playing in it? But either way, good for Oregon.

1028
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: Looked great in the throwbacks, and now I guess we

1029
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: can talk Old Miss Penn State the Peach Bowl.

1030
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I told you not to take Penn State. I know,

1031
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: I told you.

1032
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 3: I was.

1033
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're too close. Sometimes you're too close, like when

1034
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: you took USC over Notre Dame this year.

1035
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes I get my own head. Yeah, it has

1036
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: not been the best year of picking games for me.

1037
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: That's okay, same, But look, I expected that Old Miss

1038
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: would have some success on the ground and that wasn't

1039
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: not true, right, But ultimately it was their ability to

1040
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: throw it that really made the difference. They may have

1041
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: had that success regardless of opt outs on the Penn

1042
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: State side. But I don't think you can look at

1043
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: this game objectively and say not having Chop Robinson, not

1044
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: having Johnny Dixon, not having Kaitlin King, Like, you can't

1045
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: look at that and say that didn't have any effect.

1046
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: And it proved to be too much because Old once

1047
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: it settled in. Jackson Dart had his pick. Oh yeah,

1048
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 1: he could pick his spots, and he had a really

1049
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: nice game. He looked really good in this game. I

1050
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: don't want to talk so much about the phone call

1051
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: I had with Mom h asking about the Jackson Dart

1052
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: Anakin Skywalker connection. That was confusing for all of us. Okay, okay,

1053
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: don't make me relive that memory. But Jackson Dart had

1054
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: a good game. Three seventy nine, three touchdowns. Penn State

1055
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: didn't offer much resistance, and that was really their only

1056
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: shot coming into this game. They had to play sound

1057
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: defense against a good offense. We talked about that, right,

1058
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: All Miss against Georgia scored seventeen points. If Penn State

1059
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: played that level of defense, Okay, maybe we're talking about

1060
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: a different outcome here. But as such, they couldn't really

1061
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: stop the pass, and they weren't doing great against the

1062
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: run either. Maybe a little bit better than expected. Penn

1063
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: State just does not have the offense, you know, the

1064
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: offense to compete with a team like an Old Miss.

1065
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: They have in this game.

1066
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: Penn State well, outside of Chopper Robinson and Johnny Dixon,

1067
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: Caleb kln Ca, Yeah, on the on the defensive side

1068
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: of the bo ol Feshano opted out starting left tackle,

1069
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 1: and that that I think had something of an impact

1070
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: in this game as well. They were down a couple guys.

1071
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: But look, it was more of the same on the

1072
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: Penn State side. It wasn't so much an opt out story,

1073
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: at least not on the offense. It was more of

1074
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: the same. Penn State did not complete a pass to

1075
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: a wide receiver until the fourth quarter, and so you wonder, well,

1076
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Speaker 1: why did they get rid of notice, why did they

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Speaker 1: get rid of Mike Yourrisish. That's why, among other things,

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Speaker 1: they have not found a way to utilize what many

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00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: have have championed as like the greatest quarterback recruit they've

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Speaker 1: gotten in modern memory since at least Christian Hackenberg. Right.

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Speaker 1: Drew Aller did not look good this year did not

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00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: look good at all this year. They did not know

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Speaker 1: how to utilize their guys out wide. If not for

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Speaker 1: Tyler Warren and theo Jo, like some of their tight

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00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: ends who are very good, they would not have had

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00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: much of any downfield threat in the passing game. So

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00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: this is an offense. New guy is going to be

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00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: in there from Kansas running things now needs a serious

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00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: serious reboot in time for the twenty fourth season. Otherwise

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Speaker 1: it's going to be more of the same. And so

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Speaker 1: this has been the story for Penn State the whole year.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't really anything new. It was just against another

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00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: good team. We haven't seen Penn State against that many

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00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: good teams this season. Their best win all year was

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what are you supposed to do

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00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: to prepare? Like, what do you what do you go

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Speaker 1: back to, like, how did we.

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Speaker 2: Handle this quarterback when you play against Big ten the

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Speaker 2: twenty ten three roster of Big ten quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why at some point in the future

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00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: we'll talk about like, you know, Maryland Marriln was without Talia,

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Speaker 1: he didn't play in the bowl game. They won anyway

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00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: over Auburn in you know, eighteen point resounding fashion, which

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00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: was a nice win for them. But that was why

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00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: I think when we talked about bowl season with respect

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Speaker 1: to some of these Big and East teams, the common

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Speaker 1: ground and the focal point for many of our discussions

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00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: was to Lea Tungua Vailoa because he was sort of

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Speaker 1: unique relative to the others in the conference, certainly that

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Speaker 1: side of the conference, and so I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you compare how they did in that scenario, it certainly

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Speaker 1: was not you know, West Virginia was not the same

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00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: as Old Miss, if you're looking for points of comparison.

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00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 1: It was just another good team with a good enough

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Speaker 1: defense that I looked at and I said to you,

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Speaker 1: and I was right, I don't know how they're gonna

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00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: score points in these guys. I don't know how they

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00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: go do it, and they didn't.

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Speaker 2: Look who are the Yeah, and it's in ole Miss's

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00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: defense was pretty good. And that just the speed on

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Speaker 2: the field for Ole Miss on both sides of the ball,

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00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: like look Penn State just and look they had they

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Speaker 2: opt outs on both sides, but they didn't face a

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Speaker 2: quarterback throwing the ball downfield consistently to dangerous athletic targets.

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Speaker 1: And they didn't. They didn't, and it it did hurt

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Speaker 1: that they didn't have their guys, but that, of course

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00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: is almost secondary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because that.

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Speaker 1: Made it, that made it worse. I'm not sure that

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00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: they would have been a brick wall in either No,

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Speaker 1: especially with their offense, leaving them with the short side

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Speaker 1: of the stick.

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Speaker 2: By the way, so Ole Miss now is super interesting

1134
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 2: because they return a bunch, most notably Jackson Dart, and

1135
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: they are getting aftered in the portal. They are looking

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00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: at the distance between themselves in Alabama and Georgia and saying, Okay,

1137
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: we have these three or four obvious holes. What's it

1138
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: gonna take Walter Nolan, right, what's it gonna take whoever?

1139
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: And they're looking at they're looking at that gap and saying,

1140
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: we're winning ten eleven games with the Bowl game every

1141
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: year now, or we're a threat to do So what

1142
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: is it going to take? What is what is the

1143
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: position that's going to be the difference maker? What is

1144
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: the win that we can't quite grasp and what is

1145
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 2: it going to take to get there? They we'll leave

1146
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: obviously in Jackson Dart. He believes in Ole Miss that

1147
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: gap is going to be fascinating next year because all

1148
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: the chips in the in the middle now for twenty

1149
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: twenty four, Old Miss.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dan, well there you go. Congratulations to Michigan. Yep,

1151
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Speaker 1: congratulations to Washington. You've got one big game to play

1152
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: about a week from now. We will drop our preview

1153
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: a little bit later on talking all things Michigan, all

1154
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: things Washington later on this week, probably Friday, we are

1155
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Speaker 1: not going to Houston. I should add a bit of

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01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: a schedule change last second. You will understand why a

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Speaker 1: little bit later in the week when we dropped this preview.

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Speaker 1: So apologies to anybody out there who is looking forward

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Speaker 1: to the meetup. We'll we'll do our best to do

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Speaker 1: that at some point soon, but we think you'll appreciate

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Speaker 1: the content.

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Speaker 2: But if anybody has any brewery recommendations for Brisbane, yeah,

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Speaker 2: yea dot com. And congratulations to everybody who's been playing

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Speaker 2: the Winter Wonders. Yes, we've got over close to nineteen

1166
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: hundred people that are in the bullpool. We will talk

1167
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Speaker 2: a little bit more about that later on in the

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Speaker 2: week as well. But a lot of just incredible performances

1169
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Speaker 2: from people who managed to pick most of these games correct.

1170
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 2: It has been a fun Bowl season, difficult Bull season

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Speaker 2: to project, just straight up winters, never mind the points spread.

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Speaker 1: So we appreciate everybody's support there. Please check us out

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Speaker 1: at Forbawlers dot com. At a minimum, if you like

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Speaker 1: what we do, hit subscribe, hit follow on the YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel on the podcast. If you can leave us a

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Speaker 1: star rating or review. All that stuff. All that stuff

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Speaker 1: helps others find enjoin theverbawler hit Dan. Yes, absolutely, it

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Speaker 1: is two eleven am Eastern five. I feel weirdly okay

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Speaker 1: at one eleven am Central. I only do because I

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Speaker 1: am shaking from drinking like four cups of coffee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a weird decision from you. And I

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Speaker 2: say that as somebody who showered and videotaped it and

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Speaker 2: podcast it in the middle of our just the upper

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Speaker 2: tors just the it was upper torus. So but I

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Speaker 2: took a nice cold shower to give myself some energy.

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Speaker 2: Give me that dopamine for.

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Speaker 1: That guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself,

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Speaker 1: Tie Hilton Brand, thanks again for downloading, for listening, for

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Speaker 1: supporting what we do. We'll talk to you all a

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Speaker 1: little bit later on this week. In the meantime, stay solid, peace,