Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me, I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,
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Speaker 2: And Dean and Tye welcome back to the solid verbal
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Speaker 2: as always over there in beautiful Chicago, Illinois, the one,
Speaker 2: the only Dan Rubinstein, Sir, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good man? One episode after I said you're going Illinois,
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Speaker 2: that's what we're going to start. Talking preview content. So yes,
Speaker 2: despite the fact that we did a So Now What
Speaker 2: series where we look back at twenty twenty, despite the
Speaker 2: fact that we're doing the Hard Cell mini series now
Speaker 2: where we're comparing and contrasting some recruiting rivals. Before long,
Speaker 2: we're going to be into the real teeth of the preseason,
Speaker 2: talking all things preview time. I'm very excited for that.
Speaker 2: We're not there yet. Trying to contain myself, contain myself,
Speaker 2: I do doing my best to not get excited about
Speaker 2: what feels like is seemingly trending towards more of a
Speaker 2: normal season. So fingers crossed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's what it sounds like. I did
Speaker 1: see my home state fully opened up today. Dodger Stadium
Speaker 1: is going to be fully open for a game tonight,
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm feeling the vibes tie. However, many
Speaker 1: thousands of miles away, I'm feeling good things in the air,
Speaker 1: good favors we were not able to say for a
Speaker 1: long time there. So I'm really excited and hopeful and
Speaker 1: optimistic on that same page as you are. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to our show, all right, Dan, you know
Speaker 1: we're calling this the hard sell miniseriies, No, you did
Speaker 1: not score that, and wear your Phineas hat. What is
Speaker 1: that from? Again? Super Nintendo College Football of some kind?
Speaker 1: I found it? What was that game? Made me like
Speaker 1: trying to remember, like, what was that game? Look it
Speaker 1: up for you, SNS college football. Google dot com is
Speaker 1: always your friend. It does not, Rea Bill College Football
Speaker 1: USA ninety seven. Oh yeah. Or there's another one called
Speaker 1: Ncuba Football. So it's one of those, but it's not
Speaker 1: an NCAA football with a year. It's you can have
Speaker 1: it for between three and twelve dollars on eBay. Are
Speaker 1: you inclined? I don't know, but wow, those are your options.
Speaker 1: I mean, it looks like the NC double A one
Speaker 1: has a license. I'm looking at, you know, Clemson as
Speaker 1: a visiting team against South Carolina College Football ninety seven unclear,
Speaker 1: but it looks like a maybe a Tommy Fraser on front.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a game A. Yeah, it's the precursor. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's fun fun to me, and that's
Speaker 1: all that matters.
Speaker 2: Here is the deal, hard Sell is about you taking
Speaker 2: a team, me taking a team, each of us recruiting
Speaker 2: on behalf of a school, trying to pull in a
Speaker 2: fictitious player. Last time around, we had Gunner Simpson. He
Speaker 2: was a five star quarterback recruit out of suburban Atlanta.
Speaker 2: I think the jury has spoken and Gunner Simpson is
Speaker 2: the newest commit to the Georgia Bulldogs.
Speaker 1: Is that true? I think that's what I'm finding out.
Speaker 1: Congrats to Gunner and his future transfer to wherever he
Speaker 1: ends up. But that's awesome. Good for him. Actually, I
Speaker 1: have no decision.
Speaker 2: Most people who wrote in said that they thought you
Speaker 2: want They thought I did a good job. But they
Speaker 2: did a more difficult spot. They could not get past
Speaker 2: the fact that you are in is just you just
Speaker 2: have more to work with. And so with that being
Speaker 2: said as the backdrop, I feel like I am in
Speaker 2: a similar position today because we're going to be recruiting
Speaker 2: an edge rusher, a defensive end. I'm going to recruit
Speaker 2: on behalf of Ohio State. You're going to recruit on
Speaker 2: behalf of your beloved Michigan.
Speaker 1: Wolverines, Dan Come Blue. Yeah, no, that's absolutely correct. The
Speaker 1: only ground rule I want to get out ahead of
Speaker 1: is in figuring out how to recruit against you and
Speaker 1: to sell Michigan and to you know, bring up certain
Speaker 1: things about Ohio State. I decided I'm not using anything
Speaker 1: against you from what you said last episode, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not using anything you said in terms of like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is an important thing for Georgia, and now turning
Speaker 1: around and saying, well, you said this was important for Georgia,
Speaker 1: but now you're not saying it's Ohio State. This is
Speaker 1: completely independent. So I'm not doing that. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's a code you're living by, but I am
Speaker 1: taking each episode in a total vacuum, taking life a
Speaker 1: quarter mile at a time. Am I saying that because
Speaker 1: our roles have been reversed? Who's to say? Who's to say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I came into our last recruiting battle with the
Speaker 2: reverse Michelle Obama, which I told you about.
Speaker 1: When I go how, you go low.
Speaker 2: And I try to do that. I think I did
Speaker 2: it to great effect this time around. I'm not even
Speaker 2: going to engage. Man, why should I bother with Michigan
Speaker 2: if I'm Ohio State? Are you just gonna be a
Speaker 2: marshall about you?
Speaker 1: Okay? So you're just gonna be like, I'm just here
Speaker 1: so I don't get fined. I'm just here because we're
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Is that how you're going to retort everything?
Speaker 1: I mean, they've won the last eight meetings in the game.
Speaker 1: It's getting to the point now, I hate to say this,
Speaker 1: it's getting to the point now where it's almost not
Speaker 1: even a rivalry.
Speaker 2: I know they've got it on the wall of the
Speaker 2: of the Woody Hayes Athletic Complex, but it's getting to
Speaker 2: the point. A rivalry requires some give and take. There's
Speaker 2: been no will take, should been a'll give. I'll give
Speaker 2: to Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Dan, So I don't feel the need to really go
Speaker 1: low to negatively recruit Michigan. I think it's cute that
Speaker 1: you are also in the market for our defensive and
Speaker 1: who we've named him Chase Chase right, Chase Chase a
Speaker 1: combination a portmanteau of Chase Winovich and Chase Young to
Speaker 1: noted ed rushers of the past few years at both
Speaker 1: of these schools. Do we go double Chas or just
Speaker 1: Chase Chazz Nose Chaz is only for Charlie, Charles Chuck,
Speaker 1: Chase Chase. And also that's what ed rushers do, right,
Speaker 1: So we're quite literally defining our player's name by what
Speaker 1: he does, which is chase down quarterbacks. It's a very
Speaker 1: literal name. So Chase Chase. Where is he from? What's
Speaker 1: his deal? Chase is from neither Michigan nor Ohio. Will
Speaker 1: say he's from the Chicago burbs to be local to me,
Speaker 1: has no allegiance to Illinois, has no allegiance to Northwestern Iowa, Indiana.
Speaker 1: Anybody in the Big Ten is sought after from teams
Speaker 1: all over the country. And in terms of distance, I
Speaker 1: think it's like five hours to Columbus in maybe four
Speaker 1: hours to Michigan. So nothing dramatically different and I can
Speaker 1: answer any specifics about I don't know Niles High School
Speaker 1: or Evanston High or Stevenson High or Deerfield High glen
Speaker 1: Coe which I think glen Coe goes to New Trier.
Speaker 1: So I can answer any of those questions if you
Speaker 1: really want to get granular with the suburb. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no, He's not a legacy of either school. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have teammates going to one of those programs. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have some sort of connection to Ryan Day or
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh or any position coach. He is being sought
Speaker 1: out by the best and has narrowed it to two
Speaker 1: of the big ten powers in Michigan and Ohio State.
Speaker 2: What do we know about him as a player and
Speaker 2: he comps anything we should be aware.
Speaker 1: Of about six four five kind of ideal size and
Speaker 1: weight whatever going into college where you know he has
Speaker 1: a great frame and can put on a little bit
Speaker 1: more muscle, put on a little bit more bulk as
Speaker 1: I would say, ideally to get him up to like,
Speaker 1: you know, between two sixty and two seventies, where I
Speaker 1: think the NFL likes their ends and rush ends whatever
Speaker 1: and outside linebacker edge types. So somewhere in there he's fast,
Speaker 1: he's lean like good, he carries his weight well, has
Speaker 1: some moves coming into college, but isn't you know, he's
Speaker 1: still a high school or he's not you know, doesn't
Speaker 1: have counter moves and doesn't hasn't perfected his swim or
Speaker 1: his rip and dip or anything like that. But you
Speaker 1: can see the potential there because of what he is physically.
Speaker 1: He plays on the basketball team, he runs track like.
Speaker 1: He is everything you're looking for in an athlete of
Speaker 1: that size entering into college.
Speaker 2: Chase chase, chase, chase. He's sort of like amole or
Speaker 2: a specimen, a five star from suburban Chicago, no allegiance
Speaker 2: to anybody, and so that presents a very obvious opening
Speaker 2: for the Ohio State Buckeys.
Speaker 1: Dan Look.
Speaker 2: Ohio State competes for a national championship every season. Every season.
Speaker 2: If you go to Ohio State, you're all but guaranteed
Speaker 2: the experience, at a minimum of being in the College
Speaker 2: Football Playoff and to showcase your skills on the biggest
Speaker 2: possible stage in the sport. It's undeniable. Ohio State has
Speaker 2: been in the playoff four out of the seven years. Undeniable.
Speaker 2: If you come to Ohio State, if you step foot
Speaker 2: in the SeaBus Dan, there's an utter certainty that at
Speaker 2: least once you're going to have an opportunity to play
Speaker 2: on that big stage. Additionally, Ohio State in addition to
Speaker 2: the pomp and circumstance and the great stadium, Ohio Stadium,
Speaker 2: and the Horseshoe, in addition to the great athletic facilities
Speaker 2: where they've got sleep pods and cryogenic freezers and all
Speaker 2: sorts of exciting stuff. They have fifty players in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Fifty players in the NFL. It's only six players behind Alabama,
Speaker 2: who everybody regards as the true football factory in college football.
Speaker 2: Ohio State's right there. They're getting close. Ohio State knows
Speaker 2: how to get its top talent ready for the next level,
Speaker 2: especially at the defensive end position. And I could talk
Speaker 2: more about this later, but defensive ends defensive linemen under
Speaker 2: the tutelage of one Larry Johnson senior, who had a
Speaker 2: long story career at Penn State before moving west to
Speaker 2: Ohio State. This is a guy who knows how to
Speaker 2: coach with his talent, get the most out of his talent.
Speaker 2: So if you're Chase, Chase, if you're six', four if
Speaker 2: you're looking to put on some, muscle if you're trying
Speaker 2: to develop your, moods you're trying to get to the,
Speaker 2: league and if you're trying to do so on a big,
Speaker 2: STAGE i don't see how you could go anywhere else
Speaker 2: else other Than Ohio. State your move is that the
Speaker 2: full pitch for? Now there's more where that came. From
Speaker 2: But i'd like interesting to give you an. Opportunity i'm
Speaker 2: not going to talk for eight minutes like you, did
Speaker 2: and you're trying to Recruit Gunner. Simpson this is the
Speaker 2: last Time i'll harken back to that previous, show but
Speaker 2: continue after.
Speaker 1: You my, Friend, NO i think that was it was
Speaker 1: dripping with a little bit of arrogance that there's nowhere
Speaker 1: else to go But Ohio's Confidence Confidence Chase chase says to,
Speaker 1: HIMSELF i should check out all sorts of places and
Speaker 1: compare them to each. Other and Here's Ohio state kind
Speaker 1: of exuding a little bit of. Paranoia is that What
Speaker 1: i'm sensing? Here that there's nowhere? Else you? KNOW a
Speaker 1: confidence school, says go look. Around we're confident that we
Speaker 1: are going to beat anybody out in terms of what we.
Speaker 1: Offer but that's not WHAT i hear From Ohio. State that's. Wild.
Speaker 1: Tie it's an interesting. Tactic i'll give you.
Speaker 2: That fifty players in THE nfl exudes a lot of. Confidence,
Speaker 2: Dan you sure we don't need to do a whole
Speaker 2: lot of selling because the program essentially sells. Itself if
Speaker 2: you want to go out and, look if you want
Speaker 2: a window, shop, yeah you're gonna go to Ann, arbor
Speaker 2: go to a, deli whatever whatever they do up. There, sure,
Speaker 2: fine it's, fine it's. Fine but eventually we Know Chase
Speaker 2: chase is coming back to the sea.
Speaker 1: BUS i just really don't like you saying the sea.
Speaker 1: Bus that's really this is Just dan editorializing. Here separate
Speaker 1: from This michigan selling. Point, Okay, NO i, Mean Ohio
Speaker 1: state has built up such a huge recruiting, department and
Speaker 1: it seems like a. Waste if the school just sells,
Speaker 1: itself you know, it it appears there is some element
Speaker 1: of you need to spend a lot of money and
Speaker 1: compete with some of the best schools around the country
Speaker 1: Because Ohio state needs to do more than just sell.
Speaker 1: Itself they need the humans to. Sell. NO i think
Speaker 1: it's a totally good. Point Ohio state has done a
Speaker 1: fantastic job developing, players finding themselves in position to get
Speaker 1: slow ottered in The College Football playoff and normally IN
Speaker 1: bcs championship. Games that's. Okay Ohio state is the premier
Speaker 1: program at least for. Now at least for. Now but
Speaker 1: What i'm saying right now in terms Of, michigan Because
Speaker 1: i'm choosing not to go too, low at least not.
Speaker 1: Yet in terms Of, Michigan michigan's program is a proud
Speaker 1: program that has a high standard for itself that it
Speaker 1: has not met. Recently we are going to be the
Speaker 1: first people to tell you that we have a high
Speaker 1: standard and we have not met. It we are proud
Speaker 1: of the players that we've developed along the defensive. Line
Speaker 1: a great job you talk, about you know, upfront edge,
Speaker 1: rushers defensive Lineman rashaan Gary, quitty Pay Taco charlton Josh
Speaker 1: ucha was drafted pretty. Highly Like. Michigan if there's no other,
Speaker 1: position it's the defensive, line it's the front, seven it's
Speaker 1: the edge rushers that have gone on to THE nfl
Speaker 1: and succeed. It, now one of the interesting things to
Speaker 1: me is despite not hitting our, standard which we are
Speaker 1: always striving to surpass our. Standard That michigan is fifth
Speaker 1: in college football in terms of current players ON nfl, rosters,
Speaker 1: fifth that's pretty. Good it doesn't match with our. Results
Speaker 1: we're always looking to get. Better but we're talking about
Speaker 1: more Than, georgia more Than Penn, State, Miami, Clemson Notre, Dame,
Speaker 1: OKLAHOMA Usc. TEXAS a lot of schools find themselves Beneath
Speaker 1: michigan and there's a reason for. That we here At,
Speaker 1: michigan we develop, players particularly along the defensive, line and
Speaker 1: it just so happens that it's not just about football. Here,
Speaker 1: yes we're bringing you here to play. Football yes we're
Speaker 1: bringing you here to develop into a championship caliber defensive.
Speaker 1: Lineman but at the same, time you're going to college
Speaker 1: in Ann. ARBOR i would say it's the best college
Speaker 1: town In. America if anybody's been to Ann arbor on
Speaker 1: A saturday morning in the, fall they know that there's
Speaker 1: nothing quite like big time college football town, wise just
Speaker 1: like Ann arbor is it's just a, fact And columbus is.
Speaker 1: Not But columbus is a. City, columbus you're pushing a
Speaker 1: million And arbor one hundred and twenty, thousand it's what you.
Speaker 1: Want it's a, growing vibrant college. Town the, academics it's
Speaker 1: the number three public university in the. Country, now NORMALLY
Speaker 1: i wouldn't sell you too hard on academics because we
Speaker 1: are recruiting you to play. Football i'm just, saying if
Speaker 1: you come at it from a three sixty holistic, viewpoint
Speaker 1: got to Be michigan's a no brainers gotta be. Holistic
Speaker 1: now you look at some of the alumni that have
Speaker 1: come From. Michigan, sure There's hall Of FAME nfl, players
Speaker 1: there's all PRO nfl, players pro, bowlers you know, THEM
Speaker 1: i know. Them but in terms of the complete package
Speaker 1: of attending The university Of, michigan, again football is the.
Speaker 1: Priority but even above that priority is football and football
Speaker 1: and we want to. Win we have a high. Standard
Speaker 1: we just changed our defensive. Coordinator Don brown is off To.
Speaker 1: Arizona we Hired mike, McDonald one of the brightest young
Speaker 1: minds for one of the best defenses in THE, nfl
Speaker 1: coming in to rearrange and reshape. RESHIP i don't know
Speaker 1: if that's a. Term our, defense and the focal point
Speaker 1: is that edge rusher point this year Is Aiden. Hutchinson
Speaker 1: and moving, forward it will be, You Chase. Chase you
Speaker 1: will see the field, early you will get those invaluable game.
Speaker 1: Reps but you're doing all of it in Ann, arbor
Speaker 1: a college town's second to. None the, food the, culture
Speaker 1: the nightlife once you're twenty, one the, bars the. Everything
Speaker 1: it's a ton of attractive. People if you're into attractive.
Speaker 1: People and, Listen, Ty i've got some names for you
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i mentioned that three sixty holistic alumni base has
Speaker 1: to Be come, ON, ti we're talking about the founder Of,
Speaker 1: Google Larry. Page we're talking about the guy who Started,
Speaker 1: borders WHOSE nass name Is, borders it actually Is Louis
Speaker 1: borders and his, Brother John, delaurian you might be familiar with,
Speaker 1: him got HIS nba At michigan iggy, pop a punk rock,
Speaker 1: legend Pioneer. Madonna Lawrence kasden wrote a couple movies by
Speaker 1: the name Of Star. Wars Tie James Earl, jones who
Speaker 1: was in Fact Darth, vader did the voice Of Darth.
Speaker 1: Vader lucy Lou is in Every netflix romantic. Comedy Gerald
Speaker 1: ford played For Michigan. Football Gerald ford is huge with
Speaker 1: today's eighteen year. Olds everybody cannot get enough of Old Jerry.
Speaker 1: Ford we know, This David Alan, greer all sorts of
Speaker 1: names and all different types of industries and. Businesses michigan
Speaker 1: is the place to go from becoming a boy recruit
Speaker 1: into a man champion. Graduate now we need players Like
Speaker 1: Chase chase to become champions because we have not again
Speaker 1: gotten to our, standard but we are getting. There we
Speaker 1: are on the, way and we develop defensive. Linemen the
Speaker 1: defensive linemen are the, core are the rock solid core
Speaker 1: of What michigan football. Does and you will play, early
Speaker 1: you will see the, field and you work, hard and
Speaker 1: you're going to get drafted, highly just like those who
Speaker 1: came before. You did you know THAT. R. L stein
Speaker 1: went To Ohio? STATE i have. THAT i HAVE. R.
Speaker 1: L stein And Richard. Lewis so you can be either
Speaker 1: you can be in robinhood men in, tights or you
Speaker 1: could be the Next, Goosebumper Kirk, Curvestreet Clark, Kellogg george st.
Speaker 1: I'mbrender it's all just, sports, sports, sports. Sports there's more to.
Speaker 1: Life tie all, Right, well look that was.
Speaker 2: CUTE i appreciate where you're coming from with, that and
Speaker 2: you are right In arbor's a fine college, town great
Speaker 2: place to spend your college. YEARS i do like the
Speaker 2: fact that in your hard sell you openly acknowledged the
Speaker 2: fact That michigan has not been meeting its own.
Speaker 1: Standard, no, really Because i'm you know, what we're. Not
Speaker 1: i'm not here to blow. Smoke, Tie i'm going to,
Speaker 1: You i'm not. Either i'm not.
Speaker 2: Either if you come To Ohio state where, again we've
Speaker 2: had fifty players in THE. Nfl, sure where we've had
Speaker 2: three defensive ends drafted in the top three of the
Speaker 2: last SIX nfl, drafts And Joey, Bosa Nick bosa And
Speaker 2: Chase young another, Namesake Chase. Young these are guys who
Speaker 2: develop their skills under, Again Larry, Brown Larry. Johnson excuse, me,
Speaker 2: SENIOR i Prefer Larry brown developing different. Coach, yeah don't
Speaker 2: have to blow. Smoke that's in the public. Record Ryan
Speaker 2: day twenty three and two as a head coach is
Speaker 2: only two losses were in the. Postseason, again these are.
Speaker 2: Numbers this isn't stuff That i'm making. Up this isn't
Speaker 2: anything other than cold hard.
Speaker 1: Facts. Right look at. Recruiting recruiting is a little bit more,
Speaker 1: subjective but across the, board recruiting has been, very very.
Speaker 1: Strong you can.
Speaker 2: Learn what it's like to play with and AGAINST nfl
Speaker 2: talent every day in.
Speaker 1: Practice every day in.
Speaker 2: Practice you're not going to find that level of competition
Speaker 2: on your own.
Speaker 1: Team on other. Teams if you go to a school
Speaker 1: like A michigan Or Michigan state wherever Else Chase chase
Speaker 1: might be, looking don't compare. That you can play for
Speaker 1: a national championship every. Year AS i said, Earlier Ohio
Speaker 1: state has made the playoff for the last seven. Years
Speaker 1: you can play for A Big ten championship seemingly every.
Speaker 1: Year Ohio state's won four titles in a row and
Speaker 1: five in the last seven, Years so you always have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to compete for a bigger. Trophy, PLUS i
Speaker 1: KNOW i pooh poohed. It MAYBE i was being a
Speaker 1: little bit over the. Top you can play in the
Speaker 1: biggest rivalry in sports and be on the winning side
Speaker 1: of that. Rivalry how good must that feel to be
Speaker 1: on The Ohio state side to know that you've got
Speaker 1: eight in a row in the bag and seventeen of
Speaker 1: the last twenty against The Michigan. Wolverines.
Speaker 2: Dan if you want to be part of the, RIVALRY
Speaker 2: i can assure you it's better to be on the
Speaker 2: winning side of that. Rivalry and no matter how Well
Speaker 2: michigan does, Recruiting Jim harbaugh still can't Beat Ohio.
Speaker 1: STATE i like that you you listed a number of
Speaker 1: players who are drafted high because you're just you're going
Speaker 1: to be, next not a long, List and that's terrific
Speaker 1: if that's the place you want to. Be but AS i,
Speaker 1: know having recruited a number of top flight players here To,
Speaker 1: MICHIGAN i see the same trait in all of, them
Speaker 1: and that's that desire to be the. Best and in
Speaker 1: order to be the, best tie you have to beat the.
Speaker 1: Best and they. Haven't they just. Haven't they haven't. Beaten,
Speaker 1: no we have not met our standard here At. Michigan
Speaker 1: but What i'm doing Is i'm challenging, You, Chase, chase
Speaker 1: to be that difference maker for The Michigan. Wolverines the
Speaker 1: feeling you get from becoming the next, guy maybe sitting
Speaker 1: a couple of years and you, know standing out in,
Speaker 1: practice whatever it, is there's you, know there's all sorts
Speaker 1: of reasons to Choose Ohio. State we're getting you on
Speaker 1: the field in this rivalry. Game you're not a rotation.
Speaker 1: Guy you're not a pass rush. Specialist if you show
Speaker 1: out in, practice if you work, hard you will. Play
Speaker 1: if you beat out, guys there are open positions across the.
Speaker 1: Field we did not meet our, standard and every position is.
Speaker 1: Open that means you can come. In you learn the,
Speaker 1: playbook you hit the, weights you listen to your. Coaches you're.
Speaker 1: Playing we're not guaranteeing you, anything but we're guaranteeing you a.
Speaker 1: Shot we're absolutely guaranteeing you a. Shot AND i did
Speaker 1: happen to watch some of the tape on your basketball,
Speaker 1: games on those track, MEETS i see athleticism THAT i
Speaker 1: think we can find a place for you on special,
Speaker 1: teams maybe running a fake, punt maybe getting into the red.
Speaker 1: Zone what about? Quarterback what about? Quarterback, no, no THAT'S i,
Speaker 1: mean we here At michigan live in. Reality But i'm
Speaker 1: saying you can get on the field for this. Offense
Speaker 1: and with your, length with your, height with your, athleticism
Speaker 1: we got packages for you near the red. Zone we
Speaker 1: absolutely can make use of your. Athleticism this is it
Speaker 1: would be a no brainer to keep you on the.
Speaker 1: Field you get the best athletes on the team there those.
Speaker 1: Situations maybe that four minute offense at the end of.
Speaker 1: Games can use your athleticism and your, size your. Aggression
Speaker 1: there's a tantalizing amount that we can do with you to,
Speaker 1: maximize provided you're, healthy provided you're, Willing we see, big
Speaker 1: big Things in turn of your usage for The Michigan
Speaker 1: wolf rains your.
Speaker 2: Usage, yeah, usage great recruiting. TERMINOLOGY i, LOOK i appreciate your, Pitch, Dan,
Speaker 2: SURE i appreciate what we're trying to.
Speaker 1: Do but we're talking goosebumps. Potential, yeah you're punching up
Speaker 1: a little. Bit you have, TO i get.
Speaker 2: It i'm not going to do the novelty. Bit i'm
Speaker 2: not going to do the novelty. Bit hey you could
Speaker 2: play in the. Wildcat hey you could be in the,
Speaker 2: Backfield hey you could score a.
Speaker 1: Touch i'm not going to do. That, no it SOUNDS
Speaker 1: i want to hasn't. Prepared do you want to play
Speaker 1: for a championship and do you want to get paid
Speaker 1: to play in THE. Nfl that's my. Pitch if those
Speaker 1: things are both, true then come To Ohio. State come
Speaker 1: To Ohio. State not to mention all of the stuff
Speaker 1: THAT i said earlier about how the proof is in
Speaker 1: the pudding with this, program how it can show, out
Speaker 1: it can put guys in the.
Speaker 2: League they've got premier, facilities the just a. Dated new
Speaker 2: recruits love cool. Facilities The Woody Hayes Athletic center got
Speaker 2: a seven million dollar renovation a couple of years. Ago right,
Speaker 2: there front and center a huge wall dedicated specifically to this.
Speaker 2: Rivalry it includes photos from past games of video highlight
Speaker 2: reel like you know how we joke about things being
Speaker 2: on loop all year. Long they have. That they built
Speaker 2: that specifically to get folks ready for The michigan. Game
Speaker 2: it's that big of a. Rivalry and of course it
Speaker 2: has the. Countdown you need the countdown clock so that
Speaker 2: everybody knows what they're playing. For you got that front
Speaker 2: stage center to keep you focused on the task at.
Speaker 2: Hand not to mention all the state of the art training.
Speaker 2: FACILITIES i mentioned the cryogenic. Chamber they've got a, Sauna
Speaker 2: they've got anything you could possibly, imagine a golden tea
Speaker 2: big buck, hunter like all the cool stuff that you
Speaker 2: need to wind down after a hard day out on
Speaker 2: the practice, field getting yourself ready for the task at.
Speaker 2: Hand so facilities are not an. Issue facilities are only
Speaker 2: going to help amplify your. Abilities it's never going to
Speaker 2: get in your. Way, obviously you're going to have an
Speaker 2: opportunity to play against the best every day in, practice
Speaker 2: and then when you finally do get out, there guess.
Speaker 2: What your facilities At Ohio stadium aren't any less, cool.
Speaker 1: Not even.
Speaker 2: Close The, horseshoe an iconic venue in college, FOOTBALL dan
Speaker 2: a listed capacity of one hundred and four thy nine
Speaker 2: hundred and forty. FOUR i understand that that's not as
Speaker 2: much as The Big. House that's, Fine but the way
Speaker 2: we see, it would you not rather have like one
Speaker 2: hundred and five thousand really, satisfied really happy fans who
Speaker 2: cheer on a team that they know is going to,
Speaker 2: win as opposed to one hundred and ten thousand disappointed
Speaker 2: fans who know that every time they step foot in
Speaker 2: the stadium they're probably going to come out wondering is
Speaker 2: this another eight and four? YEAR i want to be
Speaker 2: on the side of The. HORSESHOE i want to be
Speaker 2: among the one hundred and five thousand screaming. Fans sometimes
Speaker 2: they can pack it in with one hundred and ten
Speaker 2: two sharing on the. GAME i want you to be
Speaker 2: on that field when you've got that crowd cheering your,
Speaker 2: name rooting you, on knowing that you're gonna be the
Speaker 2: next great thing and that your team is pointed directly
Speaker 2: towards the national. Championship i'm telling, you you step onto
Speaker 2: the field at The Big, House Michigan, Stadium you're going
Speaker 2: to be a difference. Maker and that difference Is you're
Speaker 2: a player that we, need that we have, developed that
Speaker 2: we will continue to develop to be a difference maker
Speaker 2: in this rivalry. Game, now obviously we are dozens strong
Speaker 2: At michigan pointing towards the same, goal which is winning every,
Speaker 2: game Beating Ohio state into the. Ground but we need
Speaker 2: difference makers because there has not been a difference in
Speaker 2: the results these past few, years which is unacceptable here
Speaker 2: at The university Of. Michigan, NOW i hear a lot.
Speaker 1: About, football this, facility this, horseshoe This i'm talking, football
Speaker 1: And i'm talking football. Development i'm talking about the entire
Speaker 1: college part of the college. Experience Jim harbaugh is big on. This,
Speaker 1: Now Jim harbaugh has not met his standard as a head.
Speaker 1: Coach Coach harbaugh has gone back to the drawing board
Speaker 1: to get back to his, standard renegotiated the, contract went
Speaker 1: down a little. Bit so he is hungry like you are.
Speaker 1: Hungry he is hungry like the team is hungry to
Speaker 1: change things and flip this car. AROUND i don't know
Speaker 1: if that's a worthy. Analogy we are ready to flip
Speaker 1: the script on what was a disappointing twenty twenty and
Speaker 1: that begins not early on In, september doesn't begin in fall.
Speaker 1: Camp that begins on the recruiting trail to find players
Speaker 1: on the same, page those hungry players to flip that,
Speaker 1: script who want to get into the weight, room who
Speaker 1: want to get training In, January, February. March and that's
Speaker 1: what we see in. You we see a hungry player
Speaker 1: desperate to be a difference make and to build his
Speaker 1: own name at The university Of. Michigan that's what we.
Speaker 1: See that's what we. See we're making. Changes you, Know
Speaker 1: Sean newis done a fantastic job along the defensive, line
Speaker 1: helped to develop SOME nfl. Players you Mentioned Larry, johnson
Speaker 1: another terrific. Coach we hear A michigan believe that you
Speaker 1: are a great fit for. Us Jim harbaugh has coached
Speaker 1: in A Super, bowl he has been a SUCCESSFUL nfl.
Speaker 1: Coach he has that ability to see in players what
Speaker 1: they need to develop for the next. Level and it
Speaker 1: keeps happening. Again michigan the fifth largest representative represented school
Speaker 1: on the list of MOST nfl, players on the list
Speaker 1: of teams that have the most ACTIVE nfl. Players there's
Speaker 1: a reason for that those who Leave michigan have a
Speaker 1: good shot at being difference, makers not just At michigan
Speaker 1: but the.
Speaker 2: Pros there are some rumors That Jim harbaugh is going
Speaker 2: to go back to THE, nfl you, know nowhere else
Speaker 2: he'd rather win if The university Of. Michigan if you've
Speaker 2: paid any attention to The harbaugh story In Ann, arbor
Speaker 2: Sure michigan man back with much, fanfare much, excitement going
Speaker 2: to rejuvenate the. Program he has certainly done a good,
Speaker 2: job AND i think there's and he denying the fact
Speaker 2: that he's done a good. Job, right he has not
Speaker 2: lived up to that. Standard and some of The michigan
Speaker 2: community are starting to grow. Restless and SO i, mean
Speaker 2: these aren't my, words this is just what people out
Speaker 2: there in the, world on on The, twitter on The,
Speaker 2: googles what they would say About Jim, harbaugh that perhaps
Speaker 2: he's not long for an, Armor perhaps that if you
Speaker 2: sign on with, him if you go hook line and
Speaker 2: sinker into The horrball, way The harball, mentality The harbaugh,
Speaker 2: plan if such thing does, exist that you could be.
Speaker 1: Left without him after year. ONE i, mean you're just
Speaker 1: talking about hot. Air we're just having a hot air,
Speaker 1: dissertation WHICH i guess gets you a degree right At Ohio.
Speaker 1: State but we got. It we have to give ourselves
Speaker 1: a standard as well here with. This and, yeah you
Speaker 1: can say that there are. Rumors you know why there
Speaker 1: are robot rumors About Jim harbaugh in THE nfl because
Speaker 1: he's a desired, coach because people want to work With Jim.
Speaker 1: Harbaugh people Want Jim harbaugh coaching his, team and he.
Speaker 1: Chooses he chooses to coach at The university Of. MICHIGAN
Speaker 1: i don't see that Many Ryan day. RUMORS i JUST
Speaker 1: i happen to not see the rumors involved With Ryan
Speaker 1: day and the highest level of the, sport THE. NFL
Speaker 1: i wonder why that. IS i wonder if people see
Speaker 1: him as a one trick. Pony it's just. Conjecture it's
Speaker 1: just conjecture that he doesn't have the ability to get
Speaker 1: to the next. Level but there is that desire For Jim,
Speaker 1: harbaugh that, thirst that hunger For Jim. Harbaugh and he
Speaker 1: chooses once, Again tyler to stay at The university Of,
Speaker 1: michigan when according to, you he has his pick of
Speaker 1: the litter at the next. Level but he Sees michigan
Speaker 1: as the, place and so should you the hut Should, No, hey,
Speaker 1: Listen i'm here for it as. Well there's just the
Speaker 1: thing is you're selling me on or you're Selling Chase chase.
Speaker 1: On you, know This Ohio state defense and all these
Speaker 1: guys that have developed and all these these all pro,
Speaker 1: types these The bosa brothers And Chase, young all these
Speaker 1: guys who have made a, difference you, know On draft
Speaker 1: night and in THE. NFL i wonder Why Ohio state's
Speaker 1: defense keeps moving in the wrong. DIRECTION i wonder why
Speaker 1: the results aren't. THERE i wonder Why Ohio state is
Speaker 1: lit up by a school Like. INDIANA i wonder why
Speaker 1: the defense is lit up by a school Like. ALABAMA
Speaker 1: a Great alabama, team but lit. Up This Ohio state
Speaker 1: defense is trending into a. Direction now, Again i'll Tell
Speaker 1: i'll be the first one to tell you The michigan
Speaker 1: standard has not been met on. Defense after twenty. Twenty
Speaker 1: Coach brown did a fantastic job from TWENTY i believe
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen through twenty. Nineteen But i'm seeing trends with
Speaker 1: This Ohio state defense that they are just they're not
Speaker 1: getting the best out of their. Players they're not turning
Speaker 1: the of these blue chip players into actual. Production this
Speaker 1: is a team led by its offense this past, year
Speaker 1: to you a couple of. YEARS i just the trends are,
Speaker 1: alarming AND i feel a responsibility to let you know
Speaker 1: that you should be paying attention to not getting to the,
Speaker 1: quarterback and that the defense not communicating, well letting plays behind,
Speaker 1: them you, know not being able to tackle. CONSISTENTLY i
Speaker 1: hear all this stuff about DEVELOPING nfl, players AND i
Speaker 1: watched The Ohio state defense last, fall AND i think to, myself,
Speaker 1: WELL i don't. Know, WELL i JUST i don't know
Speaker 1: what they're thinking.
Speaker 2: HERE i still would Put Ohio state up against just
Speaker 2: about anybody just. About, yeah Not, indiana, sir, respectively Not indiana,
Speaker 2: necessarily but just.
Speaker 1: About you can make that.
Speaker 2: Argument i'm going to go in a completely separate. Direction
Speaker 2: one thing that you have not covered is the fact
Speaker 2: That Chase chase is from Suburban, Chicago so perhaps he's
Speaker 2: gotten used to that big city. Feel, Columbus ohio is
Speaker 2: the state, capital the Great state Of. Ohio town of
Speaker 2: about a million, people you get access to all the
Speaker 2: amenities of being in a big. City it's actually the
Speaker 2: second most populous city in all The, midwest behind your Native, Chicago.
Speaker 2: Illinois so if you Like, alabama if you Like, clemson
Speaker 2: if you like Ann, arbor but you want to live
Speaker 2: closer to modern civilization how you're Describing, Columbus you want
Speaker 2: to have all of the amenities of a big, city
Speaker 2: come To Ohio. State why strap, yourself give yourself as
Speaker 2: many opportunities as you, can especially in this world of
Speaker 2: nil sure where perhaps you're looking for some endorsements that
Speaker 2: you can use, to you, know help pay some of the.
Speaker 2: Bills columbus is a corporate haven all sorts of have
Speaker 2: and big corporations and big companies that are headquartered in
Speaker 2: The columbus. Area can tell me more about all these
Speaker 2: opportunities In, columbus be as detailed as possible and. SPECIFIC
Speaker 2: i Think Chase chase would love to know about the
Speaker 2: modern amenities Of, Columbus.
Speaker 1: Ohio, well what.
Speaker 2: We do here At Ohio state is we set up
Speaker 2: our student athletes in the best way. Possible we give
Speaker 2: them marketing, training we give them media, training we give
Speaker 2: them all the tools that they need to go on
Speaker 2: to a website like An Open doors and figure out
Speaker 2: what are the best things for my? Brand how CAN
Speaker 2: i make sure THAT i am protected WHEN i am
Speaker 2: entering into some sort of endorsement. Deal we do not
Speaker 2: seek to be that. Broker all we can do is
Speaker 2: provide the tools so that the players out there can
Speaker 2: go out and make the best decision possible for. Them
Speaker 2: but there's no denying the fact that when you play
Speaker 2: for a premier institution like The Ohio State, university that
Speaker 2: there will be plenty of marketing opportunities for.
Speaker 1: You, Now I'm i'm fascinated to here to hear. MORE
Speaker 1: i look At Columbus, OHIO i see big lots AND
Speaker 1: i See. Kroger SO i suppose you can be A
Speaker 1: ham spokesperson In. Ohio which is that's the full. List
Speaker 1: there's a, long, long long list of other companies you. Know,
Speaker 1: PLEASE i look forward to it Because ham is the
Speaker 1: fastest growing of the porky cold cuts continue TikTok. No
Speaker 1: i'm Just i'm. Curious so you're Painting columbus like it's
Speaker 1: some sort of combination Of La New york And Silicon.
Speaker 1: Valley and so that's why i'd like to. KNOW i, mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you look at the fortune five hundred companies that
Speaker 1: have come out of an, arbor And google obviously founded
Speaker 1: By Larry page who was, there and You're Domino's, pizza
Speaker 1: who've done fantastic. RECENTLY i just you, know there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot to lovely.
Speaker 2: Arbors the headquarter of some sort In columbus. AREA i
Speaker 2: believe Aber crombie And. Fitch, Whoa i'm.
Speaker 1: Sorry it's Case chase committing in the early two thousands
Speaker 1: is also in the. Area, OKAY i. Understand is IS
Speaker 1: lfo going to be on his recruiting trip on his official?
Speaker 1: Visit will they show? Up the light Funky, ONES, Jp Morgan.
Speaker 1: Chase they can't be head okay In, columbus can? They
Speaker 1: it's not headquartered. Nationwide they're on your. Side, OH i,
Speaker 1: mean you know teenagers and their love of nationwide limited.
Speaker 1: Brands uh, huh, yeah look at. This this is Like
Speaker 1: New York. City uh. Huh that's what people are. Saying
Speaker 1: state farm people are that's that can't be the headquarters
Speaker 1: For state. FARMED i was not as prepared for this
Speaker 1: section of the argument AS i should have. Been but
Speaker 1: there are a lot of companies In. COLUMBUS i know
Speaker 1: a lot of people live In. Columbus, now ALL i
Speaker 1: can tell you is you you want to go to,
Speaker 1: college you want to be in a college. Town and
Speaker 1: that's the nice thing about getting away from The chicago
Speaker 1: And chicago burgs is it's still a bigger college town
Speaker 1: and you have the ability to travel really easily throughout The,
Speaker 1: midwest throughout the, country, internationally. Whatever but Ann arbor is
Speaker 1: second to on you, KNOW i, mean talk About, zingerman's
Speaker 1: you talk about all sorts of, restaurants you talk about
Speaker 1: the culture of the, nightlife And arbor is. Fantastic you
Speaker 1: can be whatever you want to be in Ann. Arbor,
Speaker 1: okay be whatever you want to be in Ann. Arbor
Speaker 1: look at. That it's. True i've, Listened. Ty this is
Speaker 1: this Is dan editorializing. Here this is not the recruiter Of. Chase.
Speaker 1: CHASE i Think columbus is a pretty good. Place i've
Speaker 1: been To columbus multiple. Times i've enjoyed myself. There but
Speaker 1: putting My michigan. Recruiter hat back on and arborsh just
Speaker 1: something special And Arbor. SCHOOL i was in Ann arbor one.
Speaker 1: Time never been To. COLUMBUS i was in Ann arbor
Speaker 1: one time for A Penn State michigan. Game whether it was, awful,
Speaker 1: rain the whole time is when it.
Speaker 2: Happens WHEN i Met Cameron Guy dave for the first,
Speaker 2: time And i've told.
Speaker 1: The story a million. TIMES i also saw an arcade,
Speaker 1: burned a literal arcade. Fire.
Speaker 2: LITERAL i saw the literal arcade fire as pinball piets
Speaker 2: burnt down the ONE i Guess saturday NIGHT i was in.
Speaker 2: Town but Ann arbor is a really cool. PLACE i
Speaker 2: would love to go back when the weather doesn't, suck
Speaker 2: because that was. Great that was a disappointing experience due
Speaker 2: to the. Weather, otherwise are really cool. Place i'd love
Speaker 2: to go to.
Speaker 1: The to The.
Speaker 2: Horseshoe i'd love to go see a game there as.
Speaker 2: Well And i've heard great things about The Ohio state.
Speaker 1: Experience but.
Speaker 2: It almost pains me to say these negative things about
Speaker 2: Ann arbor BECAUSE i really enjoyed my time.
Speaker 1: There, okay hats back on and the other thing About michigan,
Speaker 1: too is there's just an emotion About michigan. FOOTBALL i
Speaker 1: mean the inner state rivalry With Michigan, state of Course
Speaker 1: michigan and it's rivalry With Notreed. Aime there's just something
Speaker 1: big time About michigan football and the teams that they,
Speaker 1: play and the energy between those, teams the stages that
Speaker 1: those games are played, on the history of those games
Speaker 1: And Ohio state's. Fantastic but what emotion do you have
Speaker 1: tied up In? Clemson what emotion do you have tied
Speaker 1: up In? Alabama what do you know it's going to
Speaker 1: the playoff to, lose Whereas michigan is trending in that upward.
Speaker 1: Direction and it's trending that way because we are signed
Speaker 1: up players like. You i'm.
Speaker 2: Earth have we Met michigan trending? Up is this? New
Speaker 2: is this? New SHOULD i play.
Speaker 1: The breaking news? Sound michigan has a five star quarterback
Speaker 1: entering the. Fold michigan has recruited, really really, well especially on.
Speaker 1: Defense you'll be playing with premier players from across the.
Speaker 1: Country you, know the Safety dak sales from all from excuse,
Speaker 1: me From, oklahoma the linebackers that have been coming Through.
Speaker 1: Michigan you look At Devin bush And Jake, ryan all
Speaker 1: sorts of. Players you are playing, with FANTASTIC nfl caliber,
Speaker 1: players no different than you are At Ohio. State but
Speaker 1: you're that difference. Maker you're that difference. Maker well let
Speaker 1: me close on this. Please Ohio state has a long standing,
Speaker 1: tradition as you, know the best damn band in the
Speaker 1: land goes out there and Write ohio in script out
Speaker 1: on the, field and it's a. Tradition it's an, honor,
Speaker 1: frankly for one of the fourth or fifty your souzophone
Speaker 1: players to go out there and dot the. Ie, sure you,
Speaker 1: know on occasions sometimes it's a, celebrity an Rl, stein
Speaker 1: an r L, stein if you, will.
Speaker 2: Who goes out there and gives crowd goosebumps by dotting the.
Speaker 2: Eye i'm not telling, You, chase that you're going to
Speaker 2: be able.
Speaker 1: To dot the. Ie, Wow, oh here we.
Speaker 2: Go you are every bit is important to our defensive
Speaker 2: line moving. Forward your every bit is important to our
Speaker 2: defense moving. Forward you're every bit is important to our
Speaker 2: national championship hopes moving.
Speaker 1: Forward we need you to be on that. Line we
Speaker 1: want you On what are you? Doing? Now what are you?
Speaker 1: Doing he needs you on that. LINE i JUST i
Speaker 1: think this is a mixed, message is What i'm getting,
Speaker 1: here because we owe you opened your pitch With Ohio
Speaker 1: state eight sells itself and you were very, short a
Speaker 1: very truncated approach to Recruiting Chase. Chase Where i'm Telling,
Speaker 1: Chase i'm telling you there's so many different things At
Speaker 1: michigan for. You michigan is going to feel like home
Speaker 1: for you because you can find your pursuit in addition
Speaker 1: to thriving on the football. Field and you're telling, him,
Speaker 1: Well Ohio state sales, itself but also you're going to
Speaker 1: be as important as a susophone. Player i'm just lost
Speaker 1: in this. TIE i just am uh, right.
Speaker 2: Do we KNOW i take it all? In do we
Speaker 2: know If Chase chase has ever won any state? Championships
Speaker 2: because if he, hasn't he will feel at home at Miss,
Speaker 2: SURE i feel.
Speaker 1: RIGHT i don't have that information in front of. ME
Speaker 1: i don't have his docket all right right in solid
Speaker 1: verbal at gmail dot. Com let us. KNOW i was
Speaker 1: going so good there until the very. END i just
Speaker 1: lost my. Training oh, WELL i mean winnings for you,
Speaker 1: know you fumble that message on the on the one yard.
Speaker 1: LINE i don't know what can you count on With
Speaker 1: Ohio state solibt gmail dot. Com let us know who
Speaker 1: you let us know who did a better job, selling
Speaker 1: not where you would. Go my question to, You tai
Speaker 1: is would you have changed anything about my? Pitch DID
Speaker 1: i omit anything THAT i should have included about WHAT
Speaker 1: i was a prospect to go To? MICHIGAN i WAS
Speaker 1: i was thinking as you were making the argument that it.
Speaker 1: Was it was definitely one.
Speaker 2: Approach it was a creative approach to steer into the
Speaker 2: shortcomings Of michigan by. Awareness, yeah and THAT'S i think that's.
Speaker 2: Important by saying that we have not lived up to our.
Speaker 2: STANDARD i don't know IF i would have chosen that
Speaker 2: phrasing for. IT i might have, said we know there's
Speaker 2: room for. Improvement this is why we're recruiting. You maybe
Speaker 2: not so much we haven't lived up to our, Standard
Speaker 2: but the spirit of what you were DOING i thought was. Creative,
Speaker 2: WELL i mean standard establishes that you, Know michigan is
Speaker 2: a pl that expects to win on a national. LEVEL
Speaker 2: i THOUGHT i thought that was a good. Approach it
Speaker 2: could have been a little bit better word, smith but
Speaker 2: all in, all pretty good, argument pretty good. Argument, yeah what.
Speaker 1: Do you think about The Ohio state? SIDE i would
Speaker 1: have gone bigger into the like we already Know Ohio
Speaker 1: state is AN nfl. Factory we already know About Chase
Speaker 1: young and The bosa brothers and all these defensive linemen and,
Speaker 1: linebackers and you Know Larry johnson being this legendary defensive line.
Speaker 1: COACH i would have gone at it with a here's
Speaker 1: what you don't know About Ohio state AND i you
Speaker 1: know they have the like real World, wednesdays, right isn't
Speaker 1: that a thing At Ohio state where they like they
Speaker 1: bring in speakers Because Ohio state gets. Pigeonholed is a football.
Speaker 1: Factory we're so much more than a football. Factory were
Speaker 1: looking out for you, know this is a forty year,
Speaker 1: plan not a four year. Plan and you didn't go
Speaker 1: into that as much because that's that's selling you, know
Speaker 1: mom and, dad that's selling the family of. That, Like,
Speaker 1: okay we're not just looking out for your sons as
Speaker 1: a four technique or something like. That we're looking out
Speaker 1: for your son's. Brain we're looking out for your son's.
Speaker 1: Future that's LIKE i would have gone with the like
Speaker 1: for LIKE i would have flipped literally flipped that script and, say,
Speaker 1: look you've seen us on the national. Stage you know
Speaker 1: what we're about from a football. Perspective we develop young
Speaker 1: men to be excellent football players that thrive here and
Speaker 1: at the next. LEVEL i would have gone into here's
Speaker 1: what you don't see About Ohio state football THAT i
Speaker 1: think is the. Move, now it's not difficult to out
Speaker 1: Recruit michigan Or Penn state or any Other Big Ten
Speaker 1: challenge or even national programs you're competing, Against LIKE i,
Speaker 1: Mean Ohio state's going Into texas and plucking top. Guys
Speaker 1: but THAT i think is a differentiator, potentially because you,
Speaker 1: Know michigan's going to sell academics and the recruit and
Speaker 1: the alumni network things like. That Here's Ohio state's ability
Speaker 1: to enter to that part of the. Conversation that's but,
Speaker 1: again it's not difficult to Sell Ohio. State you look
Speaker 1: AT i, mean just from a football it's not, no,
Speaker 1: no all. Right but that's that's HOW i would have
Speaker 1: rounded it out into like a a more broad selling,
Speaker 1: point sales, pitch what is going to be our next.
Speaker 1: Pairing i'd like to dip into a different tier in
Speaker 1: terms of rivalry or. Brand i'm Into Oklahoma. STATE, Tcu
Speaker 1: i'm Into are you going to make ME? Tcu aren't?
Speaker 1: You you're? Sure why?
Speaker 2: Not?
Speaker 1: Yeah you want to do? That NEXT Tcu Oklahoma. State
Speaker 1: this is going to.
Speaker 2: Reel me back INTO. Tcu i'm going to recruit myself
Speaker 2: back to A.
Speaker 1: Schoolcu, Yeah i'm Selling Mike, gundy which is not SO
Speaker 1: i think the better option IS tcu for sure in
Speaker 1: terms of ease of. Selling But i'll dig Into Oklahoma
Speaker 1: state And i'll see WHAT i can. FIND i, mean
Speaker 1: we Love Pistol, pete so, YEAH i think that's going
Speaker 1: to be our next hard SELL tcu Versus Oklahoma. State
Speaker 1: and what? Teams what position? ARE i think wide receiver
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i think each of them have interesting alumni in
Speaker 1: terms OF nfl, draft in terms of, systems in terms of,
Speaker 1: NAMES i think wide. Receiver but YOU i, mean if
Speaker 1: you want to do, safety if you want to wide, out,
Speaker 1: okay do wide.
Speaker 2: Out it's a little bit of big metal from THE tcu,
Speaker 2: side BUT i think.
Speaker 1: No Josh dockson was just drafted pretty, high was he?
Speaker 2: Not he was Drafted he went absolutely. Nowhere, well he got.
Speaker 2: Hurt jalen has been another disappointment thus. Far but these
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