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Speaker 1: Readily, readily, donks look at us now tip it to Tim.

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Speaker 2: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This is Morning Combat. It is Monday, the twenty third

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Speaker 1: of November twenty twenty, and it is time, donks for

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat. Hello everyone, My name is Luke Thomas. I'm

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Speaker 1: from CBS Sports in one half of your hosting duo.

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Speaker 1: He is the let's see, let me feel I got

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Speaker 1: this right. He's the mashed potatoes to my mac and cheese.

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Speaker 1: He's the gravy to my cranberry sauce. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: what I am. I'm not sure what he is, but

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Speaker 1: I do know this. He is my co host, a

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Speaker 1: partner in crime. Also from CBS Sports. It's Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian,

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Speaker 1: Happy Monday to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, I'm the sauce. Okay, and the last time

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Speaker 2: I checked, the sauce is the boss. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: All right, Luke, it is a my favorite holiday week.

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Speaker 2: A week to give thanks won't be normal, though, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's canceling their Turkey Day plans rightfully, so, Doctor Fotch

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Speaker 2: but uh yeah, what a time to be alive.

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Speaker 1: Uh maybe wait a second, though, you got wait a second,

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Speaker 1: you got you got two kids, you got your wife

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a small Thanksgiving, but that's a Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: I got three dogs and two cats, or three cats

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Speaker 2: and two dogs as well, Luke. Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have around, you know, maybe get some maybe

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Speaker 2: a weird time. I mean, Mike Tyson's in a pay

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Speaker 1: It's and there's no judges and he can't win or

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Speaker 1: was gonna get another COVID test today because I was

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Speaker 1: gonna see my dad, who turned eighty yesterday BC. I

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Speaker 1: topic number one. Okay, so Saturday UFC two to fifty

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Speaker 1: five is in the books. In the main event in Devison, Figuredo,

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Speaker 1: it in a blanket statement. Your biggest takeaway from Figuredo's

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Speaker 2: Just that you know, we had visions of what a

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Speaker 2: if you can hang with me. I'll point fight you

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Speaker 2: know right now, in every single one, he's a bad frickin' dude.

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Speaker 1: But it's kind of a shame Henry Sejudo is not around,

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Speaker 2: Third Luke, he don't want to. Suhudo does not want

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Speaker 1: Come on, we know this, right, I suppose not still.

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Speaker 1: I just mean, if you're asking me, what will it

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Speaker 1: the list. Now, Cody Garbrandt has certainly talked about getting

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what that means for his return.

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Speaker 1: He said, he looks like he wants to get back

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, Uh, you have someone in flyweight

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Speaker 2: That felt good?

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Speaker 2: We talk rightfully. So about well, look if this man

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Speaker 1: He ain't coming back, By the way, I have some

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Speaker 2: Uh Brandon Moreno, you got him and you got him

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Speaker 1: Before headline two pay per views in thirty days time?

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Speaker 1: He won in short order. He didn't take a beating.

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Speaker 2: You're right, there's enough money in the bank in goodwill

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Speaker 2: They're also giving Figaredo his best opportunity to get known

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Speaker 1: For him, Luke. I think that's a great point, right,

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Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, I mean, and he can make sushi and

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00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,840
Speaker 1: do your wife's hair. It's pretty amazing. What the guy's

430
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,080
Speaker 1: capable of doing so. I think it's a great call.

431
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,719
Speaker 1: He absolutely would be. I mean, is it the most

432
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,879
Speaker 1: glamorous division? No, but you turn in performances like that

433
00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,879
Speaker 1: that many times you know you're just gonna be up

434
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 1: there in the conversation no matter what. So I like

435
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,240
Speaker 1: the call. Now let's go to the co main event.

436
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 1: Still a flyweight bout Valentina Chevchenko point number two. Here

437
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 1: she gets a win against Jennifer Maya and does so

438
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,200
Speaker 1: without much controversy. To be honest, she won forty nine

439
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 1: forty six on all three judges scorecard. That's exactly how

440
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,320
Speaker 1: I had at BC. I gave the second round to Maya.

441
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 1: Still there was something kind of missing there. So the

442
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 1: question for you would be, while she won comfortably, she

443
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 1: was reserved b se, should that win have been more dominant?

444
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 2: No, there's nothing missing here. Let's wake up a little

445
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,159
Speaker 2: bit here. Okay, it's it's not Valentina's fight, and I'm

446
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 2: not the Oh he's a big Valentina. Let me just

447
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,360
Speaker 2: tell you some truth here for a second. Okay, it's

448
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 2: not Valentina's fault that she's so dominant. The division is

449
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 2: so empty outside of maybe andrage that she's gonna end

450
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 2: up being a minus two thousand betting favorite, which she

451
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 2: was this time around. Those odds are meant to sway

452
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 2: certain betting trends. She's not a minus two thousand favorite

453
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,160
Speaker 2: against anybody. She could lose any fight, probably not though,

454
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 2: right she's dominant. And it's also look, you had Jennifer

455
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,679
Speaker 2: Maya in the best shape of her life, at the

456
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 2: best point of her career, proving that she's pretty badass.

457
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 2: She's tough as nails. And as much as it was

458
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,160
Speaker 2: impressive that Maya took all the big shots actually one

459
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 2: around in round two by taking Valentina down and by

460
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 2: holding her up against the fence, there's a lot of

461
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 2: talk Luke about like is the division catching up to Valentina. No,

462
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 2: she dominated this fight. Any other further talk about she

463
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 2: didn't do enough to either go for the finish and

464
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: be exciting. Could you have said that in the Liz

465
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 2: Carmuse fight. Yes, Liz Carmush decided not to try to win.

466
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 2: Valentina at a certain point was just like, I'm gonna

467
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 2: protect go the distance. I'm fine with that, right, That's fine.

468
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,959
Speaker 2: It was not a good fight, not a good representation

469
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: of who she was. You know what happened here after

470
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,919
Speaker 2: she lost round two, she got pissed off. She started

471
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: loading up with left hands and she was bringing it.

472
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 2: Most other women in this division would have been knocked out, Luke,

473
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: Jennifer Mayah just proved and it just so happened that

474
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 2: not only can she take a big punch, she had

475
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 2: some nice countershots. She stayed somewhat in the fight. But

476
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 2: let's not paint this picture what it isn't. This is

477
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 2: a dominant win for Valentina, and by the way, she's

478
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 2: coming off an injury, everyone that fights her is gonna

479
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: be geared up for the biggest fight of their life.

480
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 2: She's still who we thought she was. She tried to

481
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 2: win and finish it. Maya was just strong enough to

482
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: go the distance, desplice getting her face togeared, Luke, what

483
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 2: are we gonna say negative here about Valentina? Please? Please?

484
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: Here's what I would say about this. I don't have

485
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: any problem with the fight. I don't have any problem

486
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: with it. It was fine to me. The thing that

487
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: I would challenge, and I'd also say, let me add

488
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 1: something on top of that. In Chivchenko's defense, she doesn't

489
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: control the way she's hyped. You know, yes, to some degree,

490
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: she could wag the dog a little bit, but she

491
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: doesn't really do that, right, She doesn't go out and

492
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: make these grandiose statements. She's very careful and reserved in

493
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: what she says. She always gives her opponents a lot

494
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: of credit. You know, she's not one of these sort

495
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: of over the top public figures. So in that sense,

496
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 1: the way in which she is hyped is not her call.

497
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: And was she overhyped with this whole ideal of it.

498
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: Nobody can touch her. She's a god among men, you know,

499
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman twenty twenty. Yeah, there's a little bit of

500
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: overhyping in that sense, but that's not in any way

501
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: her fault. And I don't even take any of that

502
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: stuff kind of seriously. That's just to sell pay per views. Okay,

503
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: so let's remove that for a little bit. But I

504
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: have seen people say things like, you know, that was

505
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: a masterful form and blah blah blah. Well here's what

506
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 1: I would say. It was masterful in the sense that

507
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: she clearly beat a number one contender without really any

508
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: issue second round Maya's round. But even then, Maia didn't

509
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,959
Speaker 1: really do a whole lot either on top. So yeah,

510
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: So the fact that you can have that much distance

511
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: between you and your contemporaries fight over fight and after

512
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: a long layoff and some surgery, Yeah, that's pretty masterful.

513
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that

514
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: was some great fight. I don't know why we can't

515
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: say that out loud. The fight was not good. It

516
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: wasn't bad, but it wasn't good. In fact, you mentioned,

517
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: like in the car Mouche fight, you could sort of

518
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: forgive her performance. Actually, I did some digging on the

519
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 1: numbers on this. There is no fight she's had that's

520
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: gone to a decision, and she's had seven of them

521
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 1: inside the UFC where she has had less round over

522
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: round over round a three round consecutive output than she

523
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: had in rounds one to three. Here, she had a

524
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: total of fifteen significant strikes that landed one per minute

525
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes, not a lot. That's actually exceptionally low,

526
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: and her if you look at her numbers overall, like

527
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: her career stats, she lands two point nine to eight

528
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: strikes per minute, So we're talking about one third of

529
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: her normal output, and that normal output less than three

530
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: that's below average in terms of the volume, it's very,

531
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: very low. So even by her own reserved standards, she

532
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: was really reserved. That part is number one. Number two,

533
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: she targeted the legs of Maya only four percent. Again,

534
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: for any fight she's had that's gone to a decision,

535
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: that's the lowest ever. This was a very reserved performance

536
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: on her part and we should be able to say

537
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: that out loud without any controversy. Now, of course, hold on,

538
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: let me finish, hold on, hold on, BC. It is

539
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: extremely reserved. She is a reserved fighter with little exception,

540
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: and even by her own standard, was reserved. Here's the

541
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make it. I'll put you back

542
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: to you, BC, because I understand listen, they can't all

543
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: be bangers. It was a pragmatic, smart performance after a

544
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: long time layoff against a fighter who, to your point, Listen,

545
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: Maya was ready to go okay. Fine, but we should

546
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 1: be able to say was that fight amazing? No? No,

547
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was okay, And there's nothing wrong with

548
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: that either.

549
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to paint myself as the Chefchenko superfanl

550
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: like my hands are free. You can see my hands,

551
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: all right, There's no gable gripping going on right here. Okay,

552
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: here's the point. When you use the stats in this

553
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: case to back up your point, they don't tell an

554
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: accurate story. Why because in round one Valentina looked to

555
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: be trying to make a point by taking Jennifer Maya

556
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: down and trying to wear her slowly and strategically into

557
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 2: a vulnerable spot to either submit her or ground and pounder.

558
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: Because of that, Valentina dominated the first.

559
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: Round, So that is round true at all.

560
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: Round two, in which chef Chenko lost, she spent most

561
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: of the round fighting off the grappling, so you're not

562
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: going to get the higher output on strikes. But to

563
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: her credit, when she got pissed off and realized Maya's

564
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: a little bit stronger than she thought rounds three, four

565
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 2: and five, she went for the kill. She went for

566
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: the knockout. I mean, what are we doing, Luke, what

567
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 2: the hell we do?

568
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: You see? She landed eight significant strikes in the third round.

569
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: That is one of the lowest for her ever. Now

570
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: rounds four and five much better. Twelve in round four

571
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: that's a little bit more common, and then round five

572
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: she put it on her thirty five that is even high.

573
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: By her you noticed three or four. She wasn't wasting strikes.

574
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: She was actually looking to some knockout punches with the

575
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: left hand.

576
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: Listen. Okay, fair enough, but both of them in this

577
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: case are guilty. Which is to say, dude, this idea

578
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: that they were on top trying to do anything other

579
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: than hold position is simply not true. They were not

580
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: trying to pass. They were not trying to ground a pound.

581
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: You cannot pass from fullguart. You can, but it's very

582
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: difficult to pass from your knees. You have to get

583
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: on your feet. Not one time did either of them

584
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 1: when they were in top position try to do that.

585
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: Not once. I did not see one knee slice attempt

586
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: from either of them. But they were trying to hear

587
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: what stand. Why didn't Herb do it? That's a that's

588
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: a question for Herb. That's not Valentino or Jennifer Maia.

589
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make a point to you, dude.

590
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: This is not hobib Round one against Connor, where he

591
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: is constantly working to wrap your legs, flatten you push

592
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: them out, ground abound. He is on your ass all

593
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: the time working. That is not what happened here.

594
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: Is that.

595
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: Okay, it's okay, Just don't tell me. I was watching

596
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: a fucking masterpiece in something like a grandiose way. I

597
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: was watching a pragmatic fight between two high level competitors,

598
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: and that's all it was. Okay, that's all it was, Luke.

599
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 2: You can stick the pragma where the sun don't shine.

600
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: All right, bro, Okay, I know what I saw. Anyway,

601
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: Look Goodwin, you know, fairly dominant when we can take

602
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: any narrative the way we want. But here's the deal. Look,

603
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 2: she's not losing that title anytime soon. Jessica Androge will

604
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: have a puncher's chance. I do want to see that fight.

605
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: What's interesting is that Valentino believes Jessica should have to

606
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 2: fight Lauren Murphy first. Luke, it would seem like good

607
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: promotional matchmaking not to do that, to instead line up

608
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: each one as separate title defenses. But Luke, after Androge,

609
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: who we all respect you, I mean, it's gonna you're

610
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: gonna have to catch her on the wrong on the

611
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: wrong night for her, have Valentina make a mistake. You know,

612
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: it's gonna have to be a Matt Sarah situation. Luke,

613
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: she's thirty two she's at the peak of her powers.

614
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: I don't know how much longer she wants to do this,

615
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: but I could see her retiring with that one twenty

616
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 2: five strap.

617
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: You yes, I mean the fact that she can be

618
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 1: off that long and while the fight was not some

619
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: sort of scintillating affair for Mia to only really get

620
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: one round. And as I mentioned, dude, the same criticism

621
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: you could make of Valentina, you could make the same

622
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: one of Jennifer. She didn't really do shit on top either.

623
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: She wasn't really doing a whole lot. She wasn't pressing

624
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: the action, and that's the best she could do. You

625
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: know that. That tells me that, like, if you get

626
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 1: a Valentina where there's any kind of a stylistic advantage,

627
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: not just overall skill advantage, but you know, a particular

628
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: style advantage, or she's in rhythm and ready to go.

629
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: I mean the Androge fight I look forward to. I

630
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: hope that they make it because that would be interesting.

631
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: But it's hard to look at anyone and be like,

632
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: that's the person that's got the edge. I don't know

633
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: who has the edge, not now and not anytime soon,

634
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: And it's.

635
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: Not an I'm not trying to say. When I say

636
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: really positives about Valentina, I'm not trying to act like

637
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: this division should even really be a division. There's no

638
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: depth in here, Luke. I mean, let's just be straight up, Jessica.

639
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: I I mean, you know, Caitlynuk like these are when

640
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 2: they got to the title level, they wouldn't be at

641
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: the title level in any kind of other era in

642
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: another division. It's just is what it is. But with

643
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: that said, I'm seeing enough to tell you as we

644
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: talk the other day that Valentine is gonna end up

645
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: being on that short list of the greatest female fighters

646
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: we've ever seen. She is of that ilk Luke, I

647
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: don't know this Megafumi Majudumi that you love, but the

648
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: other ones, she's as good or better than every female

649
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. Hope we can get that trilogy with Amanda, who.

650
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: Knows definitely not racist, we say it that way. Uh Okay.

651
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: Point number three. I am not sure what to say

652
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: about this one. Mike Perry loses to Tim Means. Now,

653
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily any kind of scandal. Be see, Tim

654
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: Means is a good fighter. In fact, we'll talk about

655
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: what he is owed in just a minute. But let's

656
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: start with Mike Perry because he's got the bigger name,

657
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: and I think fans are a little bit more interested,

658
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: whether perversely or not, about what happens to him now.

659
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: Not overall in his career BC, but inside the octagon.

660
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: He's now a five hundred fighter. Is this all he's

661
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: ever going to be?

662
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: Sadly, Luke, this win was a reality check. And it

663
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: wasn't that he didn't have a bunch of losses heading

664
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: into his last fight against Mickey gall It's just that

665
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: he seemed to have turned the corner. He fought that

666
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: fight very strategically and seriously, and he won it convincingly, thoroughly.

667
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: It was a great win, and he was going into

668
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: this weird territory of well, I'll just have my girlfriend

669
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: coach me, and I'll be honest. You know, it played

670
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 2: into this whole reality show thing. Look when he's on

671
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: a microphone. I said it the other day, you gotta

672
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: I gotta see him. I don't care if it's perversely,

673
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: I gotta see him. But Luke, you have to have

674
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: wins in there. This is a bad loss and I'm

675
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: not gonna take anything away from from Tim means who

676
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: used his skills in his size, and you can tell

677
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: he took the fight very seriously. And I do respect

678
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: what Tim said afterwards about fighting for custody of his kids,

679
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: and you know, I love it. But this is a

680
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: bad loss for Mike Perry, straight up, Luke, because we

681
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: thought he was gonna float in that gray area between

682
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: legitimate contender and gatekeeper ish guy and kind of like

683
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: he'll give the big names really tough outs and be

684
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: a great b side. But if you're gonna live in that,

685
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: you gotta beat the guys below you. Tim Means is

686
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: below him. And even though Mike Perry put on a

687
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: fun effort in that final round, Luke, he's three and

688
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: six in his last nine. He's lost three of his

689
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: last four. The least will be very short when you

690
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: have heavy baggage where when they put you in with like, look,

691
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: if you had fought Robbi Lawler, and if Robby Lawler

692
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: had poured out what was left and Mike Perry lost,

693
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, he fought Robbie Lawler. Guy, he's a

694
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: former champion, like he's of the ilk. Tim Mean's been

695
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: around forever, Luke, But his best win might be washed

696
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: Thiago Silva like he's not of that ilk. Okay, it

697
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: is what it is. It's a bad loss for Mike Perry,

698
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: and I don't know how much more he's going to

699
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: get in this type of fight if he keeps losing

700
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: them because of the extra baggage he brings. Even though

701
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: that same baggage, Luke is what gets people like me

702
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: to tune in because Mike Perry's a dirhole, but he's

703
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: fun to watch, dude, that's the reality of it. But

704
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: you gotta keep winning, and you gotta win fights like this.

705
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 2: Look straight up.

706
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. The question that I pitched to you was, is

707
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: this all it's ever going to be? I'll say this

708
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: as long as he's doing this where he's not taking

709
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: the weight. Seriously, he doesn't have structure in his professional life.

710
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: You know, he's deciding that his pregnant significant other is

711
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: a suitable person to fill a cornerman row. Again, I'm

712
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: sure she's a nice person that's on a knock on her,

713
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: but this is probably not a job that she's suited for.

714
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: I've been covering MMA for fifteen years, trained for ten

715
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: of them. I'm not suitable in that role. So if

716
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: you've done less than me. It's hard to understand exactly

717
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: what value you could be providing. But as long as

718
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: that's going to be the case, this is all it's

719
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: ever going to be, and probably it will get worse.

720
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: If anything, it certainly will not get better. The best

721
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: you could do is hope to maintain, you know, winning

722
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: one out of every three, well one out of every three.

723
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: You know, that'll keep you in the majors in baseball

724
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: if you're at bat But that's not the same record

725
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: of success here that you need in the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

726
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: To your point, I think it's exactly correct. Be see,

727
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: which is listen, if you're John Jones, man, they'll move

728
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: a fight over state lines on a week's notice if

729
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: they can, because there's so much incentive for them to

730
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: do that. But if you're not that guy. And Dana

731
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: White was not exactly throwing him under the bus. He

732
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: was saying things like, you know, he's still a fun

733
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: fighter and blah blah blah. Yeah, Look, Mike Perry is

734
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: always gonna be fun. He's never gonna be boring. It's

735
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: not in his DNA to be boring, win or lose,

736
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: prepared or not, he will always be fun. I think

737
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: that is true. He just has that kind of appeal

738
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: in the way he fights. But you know, I don't

739
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 1: see how you can round the corner and becomes the

740
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: best version of yourself not doing things that elicit that

741
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: best version. You're not doing any of those things. And

742
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: it's a shame because again I don't know what the

743
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: ceiling is on Mike Perry. I just we're not anywhere close.

744
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: And if you don't put structure in your life to

745
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: get there, you can't. And that's not true merely of

746
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: Mike Perry BC, that's true of the best fighters on Earth.

747
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: Saint Pierre had to eat, discipline and train with Faraza Hobby,

748
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: John Jones, with Greg Jackson, he had to get blah

749
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: blah blah. All of the best fighters have always had

750
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: to have structure, programming, discipline, cornermen that under you know,

751
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: that knew what they were doing, and blah blah blah.

752
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: This is you know, it's it's a little bit more

753
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: than a side show, but it's part fighter, part side show,

754
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: and honestly, it's a bit of a shame.

755
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: And to your point about John Jones, what can cover

756
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 2: up the lack of structure is winning John Jones kept winning.

757
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,479
Speaker 2: If you know Mike Perry dabbing on the scale after

758
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 2: video surface of him eating cheeseburgers and not caring about

759
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 2: waking away, it was actually kind of again perversely humorous

760
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: to watch. If he had one, we would have kind

761
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: of forgiven it and said, oh, there's crazy Mike. Buddy won.

762
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: Maybe he used it to his advantage. Buddy won. He

763
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: ain't winning, Luke, do you think any year what's most

764
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: likely BKFC jail or finding a camp because there is

765
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: ability in there. He's a bulldog underneath it and figuring

766
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: this thing out. Because Luke, you know it as well

767
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: as I do. He's an undersized welterweight. He ain't going

768
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: to middleweight and finding success, at least not in the UFC.

769
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 2: So if he doesn't find a professional team and really

770
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: go for it, is gonna be It's gonna be a

771
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a bad ending. It's gonna real bad,

772
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: real bad.

773
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: In a year. I don't know what the answer is,

774
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,479
Speaker 1: because I do think he's got enough talent to again

775
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: he'll win on occasion, especially with the right matchmaking. I mean,

776
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: Tim means was in some ways a bit of a

777
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: bad matchup not from a physical standpoint, but means whatever

778
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: else you want to say about him, he's real technical.

779
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: He's always been a technician. He's a bit of a

780
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: fighters fighter in that regard where he has maximized whatever

781
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: physical attributes he has by an understanding of what works

782
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: in terms of best practices that he's done his best

783
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: to try and implement them, and that's carried him, you know,

784
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: get all things considered pretty far sort of in many ways,

785
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: the opposite of Mike Perry. So if they match him

786
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: up with you know, Contender series guys who maybe got

787
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: contracts when they shouldn't have, or you know, he gets

788
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: a big punch landed because he still has a big punch.

789
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: You know, I think he can win. It's just how

790
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: many times fighter of a fight is that going to

791
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: be available to you when you don't have the overall

792
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: structure around to get the best out of yourself. And

793
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: the answer is so far one out of every three.

794
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate now at least be to Tim means this

795
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: guy's been around forever. Tim means business, dirty bird, whatever

796
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: you want to call him. I've never heard a bad

797
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: word about him in the industry and I've heard bad

798
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: words about almost everyone. No one ever seems to say

799
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: anything other than complimentary things about him as a person

800
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: and certainly as a fighter. B See, he is limited,

801
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, because there's enough evidence on

802
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: him at this point to say he's got a you know,

803
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: a top tier, you know, ten time inside the top

804
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: five kind of fighter. But he is a technician. Should

805
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: he get something more out of an experience like this.

806
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he should get a a bigger opportunity,

807
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 2: I guess than he's used to. There's an Arlovsky quality

808
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: to him, and I say this as a positive. You

809
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: don't get twenty three trips to the octagon Luke and

810
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 2: linger for as long as he has without being able

811
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: to avoid multiple losses, which means constantly evolving, which means

812
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: being a tough SOB. And as much as I kind

813
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: of poo pooed on Tim, not directly in saying this

814
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: is a bad loss for Mike Perry, and in a

815
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: lot of ways it was, given the total circumstances, it's

816
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: a great win for Tim. Means he showed toughness, he

817
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 2: showed a you know, great strategy execution, all that stuff. Yes,

818
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: for a guy that's been around forever yet is kind

819
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: of lacking on giant wins. It'd be nice to see

820
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: him get a big opera I mean by big Luke,

821
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: you know what we're saying, a name. It would be

822
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 2: nice to see him to get a name, right.

823
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: Put him in a fight, because he's a little bit

824
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: different than Oarlowski Orlovsky has found a way to be

825
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: successful by dialing back a little bit. Tim means, you know,

826
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: he's pragmatic, he fights in a smart, calculated way, but

827
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: you saw the end of the third round. He'll also

828
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: open up on a two right. He's a little bit

829
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: committed in that way. So give him somebody with a

830
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: bit of a bigger name on a pay per view

831
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: where he can do that against. And if he gets

832
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: a big win there, then hey whatever. You know, we

833
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: will talk about what could be a possible there. But

834
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: let's see if he can build on something. At this

835
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: late stage, I just feel like we've he's gotten plenty

836
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: of chances, but it'd be worth it to see somebody

837
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: get a win like this and then be able to,

838
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: like say, I can take an incremental step up afterwards,

839
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: is all I'm saying. All Right, Now, let's get to

840
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: some sad questions here. B see topic number four. MMA

841
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: legend Showgun Hua loses uh in his It was the

842
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: main card opener for UFC two fifty five. Paul Craig

843
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: stops him via strikes. I think about the second round

844
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: tapping to strikes, which I guess he did sort of

845
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: after the fact in the John Jones fight. And maybe

846
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: it was a little bit late here in terms of

847
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: what the rep stepped in and blah blah blah. But

848
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: he got dominated and it wasn't especially close. Is it

849
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: time for Balding showgun huah to retire.

850
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: Well, in fairness, just to build a foundation to this point.

851
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: He got the shit kicked out of him against John Jones,

852
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 2: you know, like that was one of the all time

853
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: one side of performances. So I don't care if he

854
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: tapped or whatever. And that point. This was shocking though,

855
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: how this went, even though Craig was winning and he

856
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: looked good. Look, I didn't think it was you know,

857
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 2: domination from the standpoint of like stop the fight. I mean,

858
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: this was shocking so physically amazingly, No, he doesn't look

859
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: physically like it's time to go. I mean, look, I

860
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: don't even know how it's possible, but he came in

861
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: four to zero to one in his last five, which

862
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: is insane because he takes a beating every fight, win

863
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: or lose or draw. But Luke, this is a it's

864
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: a bad sign, and I don't I don't wish to

865
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: even though he deserves the benefit of the doubt, I

866
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: don't wish to give him the benefit of the doubt

867
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: that we kind of gave Diego Sanchez when he got

868
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 2: the DQ against Michelle Predata and we almost said, well,

869
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: veteran moved to survive in advance another day, this felt

870
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: like Showgun got trapped and he's just like, yeah, that's it.

871
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 2: I'm out. And I'm not saying there's not a you know, look,

872
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 2: he knew he was beaten, so why take extra punishment

873
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: or get choked like But at the same time, that's

874
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: not who Showgun is. Showgun's gonna empty the damn tank

875
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: every single fight, and his ability to keep doing that, Luke,

876
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: is what has built this ridiculous four to zero to

877
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: one run in the last five entering in. But to

878
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: see him tap out on strikes when again, I'm not

879
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: taking those punches, but that guy's been taking those punches

880
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: for years. This didn't look that worse than anything I'd

881
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: seen him in. That's a monster sign, Luke, that he's

882
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: not willing to go through what he has to anymore

883
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: to win. And that's when you know it's time. So

884
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 2: physically it doesn't look like it's time. But we talked

885
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: about this with Woodley, with Lawler of late. When he

886
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: can't pull the trigger, you don't want to or you

887
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: don't want to pay the price anymore to get there. Please,

888
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: that guy's a legend. That guy is the best in

889
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: the room filled with badasses.

890
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: Luke.

891
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: That guy stands on top of the table and everybody

892
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: revers at the size of his bag. I mean, that

893
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: guy is a man among boys in the history of

894
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: this sport. No shame, but I don't. I don't think

895
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: it's safe to go. Oh that's fine. Hey, who we

896
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: got next in line for him?

897
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: No?

898
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: No, no, let's have it. Let's have an adult conversation

899
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: about this, Luke. That was shocking. BJ Penn once said

900
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: only a bitch taps out on strikes. I didn't say that.

901
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: Bj pen did right before he quit on his stool

902
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: against GSP in the rematch. Do what you want with that,

903
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: but it's a there's a stigma attached to that move

904
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: for reason, Luke, I'm not taking these punches. I'm a bitch.

905
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: I ain't. I ain't, I ain't them, but they're them,

906
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: and he's not that anymore, Luke. Did that make any sense?

907
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: Not really?

908
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't mind people missing. I wrote

909
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: on Twitter at the time that you know, I you

910
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: know Shouwgun taped to strikes. That's not a thing. I

911
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: was prepared to write as if like this was some

912
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: indictment of him, like I don't care if a fighter

913
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: taps to strikes. To me, this sort of weird notion

914
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: that you can tap to a choke and not to strikes,

915
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: it means nothing to me. I don't care about that

916
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: at all. One is no more dishonorable or honorable than

917
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: the other one. They're both total strategic decisions. And listen,

918
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: if you don't want to be in a fight anymore,

919
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: don't be in a fight anymore. I only want people

920
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: competing if they really can summon the will to do it.

921
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: And if you don't have it in that way on

922
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: that night, or that day or at all, yeah, then

923
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: I don't judge. I don't have the fucking will to

924
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: even step in there. You think I'm in a position

925
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: to judge a fighter, you know, saying he's had enough,

926
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: especially after the long catalog of fights he's had and

927
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: the wins. That's not the issue. But I saw people

928
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: being like, well, he's you know, it was a wise

929
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: decision to save himself the punishment, which I agree with.

930
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 1: But really, folks, it's too little, too late. I mean,

931
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: what ends up happening when we decide whether decide when

932
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: we collectively have an argument about who is who should retire.

933
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: We look at their success in the octagon, and what

934
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: we usually say is who are they beating and who

935
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: are the how are they winning? In other words, like,

936
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: if you can just keep winning at a reasonably high level,

937
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: there's no reason to stop, at least very little reason

938
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: to stop. And I've we don't really agree with that.

939
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: Years ago, somebody asked me what it would take, you know,

940
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: for brain damage to be a kind of limiting factor,

941
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: and who gets licenses by commissions? And it's hard to

942
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: know certainly right now what the answer to that is.

943
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: But I wonder BC if at some point in the

944
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: future we'll have some kind of test or measurement that

945
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: allows us to detect a certain amount of brain damage,

946
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: and whether or not commissions put a threshold on whether

947
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: or not you can continue to get a license and

948
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: fight if it goes beyond it. Because to me, what

949
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: is pretty clear is we're talking about a guy in

950
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: Shogun Hua who you know, he fucked his elbow up,

951
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: So forget just the brain damage. It's taking an extraordinary

952
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: amount of damage just just generally his body, and I'm

953
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: going to guess, not a medical doctor, but I'm going

954
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: to guess a totally inadvisable level of brain damage as well,

955
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: which we're gonna have to worry about and see what

956
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: the effects of later in life. You can probably keep

957
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: winning in MMA if you're good enough naturally, and you've

958
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: been good enough that long, where you can have an

959
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 1: extense amount of damage to your body and to your brain,

960
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: traumatic or otherwise and still just win against certain kinds

961
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: of competition. I think it's absolutely possible. So I think

962
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: if you're going to ask the question of who should retire,

963
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: it's partly are they winning. I don't think that's a

964
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: totally ridiculous question. It's actually quite valuable. But also, hey man,

965
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: how long have you been doing this? And what kind

966
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: of damage have you taken? What's really left, what's really possible?

967
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: When you add up all of the answers to those questions,

968
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: b see, you get to me at a point where

969
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: you're like, dude, what on earth are you doing at

970
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: this point? Yes, of course it is time to retire.

971
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: It was probably time to retire a while ago. So

972
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: while I respect the fact that he can still win Saturday,

973
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: notwithstanding this idea that he was saving himself on Saturday,

974
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: extra damage, folks, the damage is done. That was just

975
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: leaving what little was left. And while I applaud it,

976
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: that's not the issue.

977
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it, that's it. Look remember pre endeavor, pre

978
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 2: you know, four billion dollar sale. Look, UFC doesn't pay

979
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: the fighters what we think they should to a lot

980
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: of degree, but they would do that cool thing for

981
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: the legends, the company guys, the Matt Hugheses, the Chuck Ladell's,

982
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: probably the Bonners and Griffins. Give them the yearly salary,

983
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: give them the honorary job. And I'm not saying, you know,

984
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 2: a guy like Forest Griffin seems like he's actually working

985
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: a lot for the UFC. But you know, give him

986
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: the retirement package, which is, here's an annual salary, thank

987
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: you for everything you've done. Showgun's a guy right now

988
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: where you know, I don't know UFC's books, but I'm

989
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 2: gonna guess they're pretty damn strong. Can we find enough

990
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: in there to just give this guy a yearly salary

991
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: to not fight? Can we give him Can we put

992
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: him on the Chuck the old Chuck Ladell planned before

993
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: and never canceled that because that's in an unforgivable sport, Luke,

994
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: I'd like to see some kind of end reward on

995
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 2: that for somebody like him, who you're like, oh my god,

996
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: thank you for everything you've spilled out. But what's done

997
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: is done. Here you go, here's your golden handshake.

998
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: Okay, here you go.

999
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: That's it. Look, that's it.

1000
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate that. We see. It's a very weird handshake,

1001
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: all right. Last, but not least, we get to the

1002
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: part of the card where we have open ended whatever

1003
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: you want. So there was a lot of different interesting

1004
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: pieces to this card. Maine or prelim or otherwise BC.

1005
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: Who is somebody else that deserves a mention on this show?

1006
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: Positive or negative? Game Ball? Or guesser from UFC two

1007
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: fifty five.

1008
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely stunned, Luke, that Antonina Chevchenko and by the way,

1009
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: I think it was like her thirty six or thirty

1010
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: seventh birthday that she suddenly found a ground game. Luke,

1011
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: I thought she was gonna get, you know, beat by

1012
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: ari On Lipsky. And I thought, you know, despite the

1013
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: fact that she that Antonina had a good record coming in.

1014
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 2: We talked in the show previewing this fight. I didn't

1015
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: have great things to say about older sis. Her ground

1016
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 2: game was absolutely remedial against Kitlyn Chukegan when she finally

1017
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: sort of stepped up to the elite level. I give

1018
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: her a ton of credit. She dominated, Lipsky, got the

1019
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: second round stoppage. Her ground game looked fantastic. Is Lipski

1020
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: habib on the ground? No, But Luke, this was a

1021
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: fighter later in her career who's constantly evolving, and obviously

1022
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: it can hurt to have Valentina as your chief sparring partner.

1023
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: But I'll give Antonina a lot of credit. Big win

1024
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: for her, a big win for the sisters on the

1025
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,959
Speaker 2: same night to both gain a victory. But I didn't

1026
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: see that coming, Luke, and as we already know, this

1027
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: is a shallow division, and I don't expect the sisters

1028
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: to fight each other, but this is a win that

1029
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: sort of forces you to reset what her ceiling is.

1030
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a nice win. I have to admit

1031
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: I was equally surprised, not really that she won, but

1032
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: that it was shit. It was kind of one sided

1033
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:32,959
Speaker 1: on the ground.

1034
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you say, yeah, dominant? It was a dominant win.

1035
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, what do I know about mma?

1036
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: You know, filthy cash over here bro okay.

1037
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: Uh for my shout out one, i'd say. I thought,

1038
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: Alan Joe Banff, that is the end of his career.

1039
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, here here was. I thought that

1040
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: was a guy that also tried to always maximize potential, right,

1041
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: you know, a guy maybe he didn't get as far

1042
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: as like, you know, having a belt wrapped around his waist,

1043
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: but he always tried to be the best he could be.

1044
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: I always really admire that Joaquin Buckley. Man. You know,

1045
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: it's funny what Joaquin Buckley got finished with strikes against

1046
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: Kevin Holland in August and then later on fights Kasang

1047
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: and I blows his brains out with one of the

1048
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: most incredible KOs I've ever seen, and the UFC really

1049
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: decided to get into the hype machine for him, which

1050
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: is which is sketchy because partly he was training part

1051
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: time when he fought Holland He's obviously athletic, he's obviously talented,

1052
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: but you know, we don't really know exactly what a

1053
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: ceiling is and they and then you understand the UFC's

1054
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: position too, right, It's like you don't want to ride

1055
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: the wave of interest in one of the greatest knockouts

1056
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: you've ever seen. Of course you do. So you're you're

1057
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: just kind of taking a gamble that maybe he can

1058
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: pick up on that, and he did. Jordan Wright I

1059
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: thought was a good fighter, and I thought was winning

1060
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: the first round up until he got melted and then

1061
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: comes out for the second, which he should not have.

1062
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, his corner totally failed him in that regard.

1063
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: But whatever comes out for the second and then gets

1064
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: bludgeoned into, you know, quick defeat, and just to the

1065
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: eighteen seconds into the second round, you know, Buckley had

1066
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: I think he even admitted he had a lot of

1067
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: pressure from folks to get out there and follow up

1068
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: on this tremendous win. How the hell do you follow

1069
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: up a win like that. I gotta tell you, this

1070
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: win wasn't as spectacular. That was pretty goddamn good. It's

1071
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: a nice effort on his part and PC and he's

1072
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: set up the cross fight. I'm all in, dude, I'm

1073
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: all in.

1074
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: I am as well. Look, he could have come out

1075
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: and lost and just fell right back into obscurity. He

1076
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: could have come in and wanted, you know, a boring decision,

1077
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: but it's impossible to follow what he did with anything

1078
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: more spectacular. Yet, this was pretty violent enough where you're like,

1079
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: maybe he's turned the corner. Maybe he's really damn good.

1080
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: And I know you were a big fan of his

1081
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: pectoral muscles on Twitter, Luke, and you know his yees,

1082
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: his body's a wonderland. Shout out to Buckley and you know,

1083
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: shout out to a fighter as well, Luke. Not my

1084
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: favorite fighter, Caitlyn Chikajian. It was a really good ass win,

1085
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of reason to believe Luke

1086
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: that she was kind of cashing herself out. She's talked

1087
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: in every interview about I want to fight as many

1088
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: times in this year as I can. Then I want

1089
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: to go have babies. Then I want to go, you know,

1090
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 2: plan the rest of my life. This was a short

1091
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 2: turnaround after the andrage loss. I would have predicted upset special,

1092
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 2: that Calvio is gonna come in there, and she, Caitlyn

1093
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: used every advantage to her, to her advantage physically and

1094
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: really was fought a great game plan. Luke, She's not

1095
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: done contending for a title for better or worse. And

1096
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: I say worse because you know she she kind of

1097
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: laid an egg against Valentina. You can ask yourself what

1098
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: she gonna do anyway. She doesn't have big time power,

1099
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: but this is a good win. I don't know if

1100
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: Calvio took the red pill before or the blue one

1101
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: before this fight, but she didn't seem like herself, and

1102
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: I think it was Caitlyn who made.

1103
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: It that way.

1104
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 2: So shout out to her. Shout out to the blonde, Luke.

1105
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, she did well. To Kegan, I think his

1106
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: he was pronounced, but I don't really know so, but

1107
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: you're right, totally agree. I thought she she really surprised

1108
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: me with that win, and she won it with relative

1109
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 1: ease is a strong word, but she was in control. Okay,

1110
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: Well that is it. For our top five. This is

1111
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: now a question or excuse me, a portal of the

1112
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: show where I don't ask you questions, you don't ask

1113
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: me questions, but the viewers ask us questions. It's time

1114
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: for dms from dogs. Bump bump, bump, bump bump. All right, BC,

1115
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: we go first to d Hager J fifteen. Who are

1116
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: these Jim Mokes?

1117
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 2: That's I think that's I think that's my uh, one

1118
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: of our passionate ones.

1119
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: All right, shout out to that guy, all right, who

1120
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: wins in a fight between Davison to your point, BC

1121
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: and Mighty Mouse. So let's say they signed Mighty Mouse

1122
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: today BC and then said, you know what, Brandon Moreno

1123
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: step aside, you gotta fight Mighty Mouse, who wins.

1124
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 2: Well, on paper, you still obviously have to love Mighty Mouse.

1125
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: But let me ask you, Luke, because you are professor

1126
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: Salt and Pepper, what does Figuredo do as good or

1127
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 2: better than Demetrius.

1128
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: Uh he's got better finishing submissions, I think. And you'd

1129
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, didn' Mighty Mouse throw up Brandon

1130
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: Moreno in the or not Brenda rainha, I'm sorry, uh face?

1131
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: So I could see him grave or excuse me, throw

1132
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: them at the end of the arm bar. Yes, there's

1133
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: something creativity. And by the way, folks may not know this,

1134
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: this is his true story. He has shown me the

1135
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: mouse trap. He actually did the mouse trap on me.

1136
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: I've seen it, I've felt it, and it's it's great.

1137
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: Like it's of course I did. Like dude, it's a

1138
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. One of the best things a

1139
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: coach ever told me was, you could be the most

1140
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: experienced black belt in the world, but if somebody gets

1141
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: behind you and locks in a choke, you're probably gonna

1142
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: tap or go to sleep. I mean, there's only so

1143
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: much you can do that.

1144
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: I've been telling you that for about six months.

1145
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: Bro.

1146
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: One of these days.

1147
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: Yes, but you're a zero. You don't know what you're

1148
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: talking about. The point being is, you know when minighty

1149
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: mouse is demonstrating something, Yeah, he's gonna get to the

1150
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: full end. I'm gonna let him get to the full

1151
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: end of it anyway. So he is creative. But to me,

1152
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more of a creative mma grappler

1153
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: than he is like a pure jiu jitsu guy. Like

1154
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: I've got a submission breakdown coming on Deavison's win and

1155
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: to me, that was basically what Jeff Glover did in

1156
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: the ADCCS I think in twenty thirteen, twenty eleven over

1157
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: Hobson Mora. And it's a very special kind of guillotine

1158
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: that takes you See, the only way to explain this

1159
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: is it takes the most deft hand to be able

1160
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: to pull off. You have to have a very specific,

1161
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: careful kind of squeeze and to get that man that

1162
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: is a super high level plus I'd say he hits harder.

1163
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: But other than that, Mighty Mouse has all the other

1164
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: pieces of the game. I've not a little bit better,

1165
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: a lot better than him, and that's going to be

1166
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: a hard thing for Figureda to overcome.

1167
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be a fun chess match to see

1168
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: Figuredo come out there knowing he wants to, you know,

1169
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 2: surge in attack and knowing that Mighty Mouse will play

1170
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 2: the long game with him. It would be very interesting

1171
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: if Figaredo could get Mightdy Mouse to fight him, to

1172
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: get him to exchange. I mean, it'd be a track

1173
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 2: of me as well. It'd be wild.

1174
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: Remember remember John Dotson rocked him in their first fight.

1175
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 1: John Dotson could thump, but he couldn't hold. He couldn't

1176
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: he couldn't, you know, sustain the Alamo over the course

1177
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: of five rounds. And I think that's also something that

1178
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: really benefits a guy like Mighty Mouse.

1179
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: Hey, Tim Elliott had a few fun moments on the

1180
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: ground against Muddy Mouse. Remember that.

1181
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: And that's the other part about it. He had a

1182
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: big size advantage. Figureedo would have a big size advantage

1183
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: as well. It's another key piece and it'd be fun.

1184
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: Influenced by fifty cent Luke, all right, you remember being in.

1185
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: The apparently apparently all right from at Aurelius ninety two B. See,

1186
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: this is a great question. I don't I think the

1187
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: answer is no, but I'd like to hear you explain it.

1188
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: Is Mike Perry MMA's white? Dennis Rodman?

1189
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 2: Well, look, I'd like to remind you that Mike gets

1190
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: two percent African American. Okay, Luke, I would like to

1191
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: remind you that.

1192
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: So the question should be, is Mike Perry MMA's also black?

1193
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman?

1194
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: Uh?

1195
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: In a way?

1196
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some there's some second half crazy Mike Tyson

1197
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 2: and Mike Perry there's some. Yeah, I guess there's a

1198
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: little bit of why yeah.

1199
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: Hold on, it wasn't hold on, hold on, Dennis Rodman was.

1200
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: He was limited, but he played a role on a team, which,

1201
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: of course Mike Perry is not necessarily he doesn't have

1202
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: that option because it's you know, it's one on one.

1203
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: But Dennis Robin was a fucking workhorse.

1204
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 2: Dennis Robin, what's a Hall of Famer and and one

1205
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 2: of the great probably you know, in the argument of

1206
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: the greatest rebounders of all time and by size, you know,

1207
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: he probably is the greatest rebounder, but also a two

1208
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: time Defensive Player of the Year who can guard every position.

1209
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 2: So yes, he uh, he's a he's a Hall of famer.

1210
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 2: Mike Perry not a Hall of Famer. We're talking strictly

1211
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: from uh, the idea of being a menace to society,

1212
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: a menace to yourself, a constant walking reality show. Yeah,

1213
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: he's a. He's he's a. I have to see what

1214
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: Shenanigan he's gonna pull next. I mean, he didn't make

1215
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: Coach Littori carry the spit bucket, thankfully, but did you

1216
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 2: hear her instruction? She was like, punch, punch, I loved it. Look,

1217
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: I loved it. Punch.

1218
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: I don't have anything bad to say about her. She

1219
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: seems like a nice person. But I you know, I don't.

1220
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't delight in the that situation, all right?

1221
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: From at Tyson underscore Calm. Will the Tyson versus Jones

1222
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: fight go as planned? Or is somebody getting knocked out? BC? Luke?

1223
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 2: That is the million dollar question. For as much as

1224
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: this fight Saturday night pay per view Staples Center, Los

1225
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: Angeles has the potential to, it's look, that's why we're

1226
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: gonna tune in. It's a carnival. It's either gonna be

1227
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: really great to see these legends back and have a

1228
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: little fun fight for as long as it lasts, or

1229
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: it's gonna be sad. But there are there are many

1230
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: different ways it can be sad, Luke. And that's a

1231
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: big part of it as well. Is it gonna be

1232
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: sad because they're too old or one guy gets hurt?

1233
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: Or is it gonna be sad because you don't get

1234
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 2: your money's worth? Because the California State Athletic Commission is

1235
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: clinging to this idea that even though they're wearing no

1236
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: haired gear, but they're using bigger gloves, twelve ounce gloves.

1237
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: Andy Foster keeps saying there will not be a knockout.

1238
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: They will not go for a knockout. If any of

1239
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 2: them are cut, the fight gets stopped instantly. This will

1240
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 2: be a hard sparring match. And obviously that is against

1241
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: the personalities of both and both Tyson and Jones have

1242
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: said multiple times like we're gonna kill it, like I'll

1243
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: fight to the death. We're gonna kill each other. Luke,

1244
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 2: you have to believe they're gonna let him fight, or

1245
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: you want to believe they're gonna let him fight. But

1246
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: referee Ray Corona is a veteran who works for the

1247
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: California Stay Athletic Commission. There is a big potential want

1248
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: want to happen here if this thing starts to heat

1249
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: up a little bit and you look like it's gonna

1250
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: get fun, and then they just go, Okay, that's too much. Hey,

1251
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: thanks for coming out, guys, enjoy your one round. Like

1252
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: they can't do that if we're paying, you know, if

1253
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: the people are paying however much it costs for one fight.

1254
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: I know there's a undercard. I know you get one

1255
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: of the Paul brothers against Nate Robinson, but like you're

1256
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: paying for one fight, we used to pay for one

1257
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 2: round of a Tyson fight if he's marked a guy.

1258
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 2: If we don't get the mark in this case, Luke,

1259
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: it's gonna be bad. It's gonna be real bad.

1260
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: My recommendation on this is, look, man, I don't know

1261
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Okay, could it be more exciting than

1262
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: my negative fucking ass thinks it's going to be. Yes,

1263
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: of course. Could there be a knockout? I certainly couldn't

1264
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: rule it out. I would go in just thinking of, Okay,

1265
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 1: how much is this fight going to suck? And think

1266
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: of it in that frame, because if it's anything better

1267
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: than that, and there's a decent chance it could be,

1268
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: you won't go away disappointed. It will exceed your expectation.

1269
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: What I don't want folks going in there with is like,

1270
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, dude, this could fucking be awesome. Yes,

1271
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: it could be, but just put your put your mind

1272
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: in a negative space like mine is, and when something

1273
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: good actually happens, wow, man, you're actual surprise. But if

1274
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: something shitty happens, which also, by the way, very strong

1275
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: chance that that happens, you're like, you know what, I

1276
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: was prepared for this possibility I'm not nearly as upset

1277
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: as a consequence.

1278
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going two minute rounds. I believe eight rounds.

1279
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: I think the best case scenario, Luke, is that look,

1280
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 2: knockdowns are exciting. That to what when we look back

1281
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: at our favorite boxing fights, it's usually like people overcoming adversary.

1282
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: They're not gonna let these guys overcome a lot of adversity, right,

1283
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a quick look to end this fight.

1284
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 2: I think you have to hope that there's flash knockdowns

1285
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: and that a guy can get back up and still

1286
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: fight and be in it, and that there's no cuts

1287
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: because they'll shut that shit down right away. Luke, I

1288
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: mean you get this best case scenario is Shamrock against Kimbo.

1289
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 2: It really is. It's that this thing goes you know,

1290
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: two three, four minutes at most, but they both have

1291
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: momentum swings where they're in it without it looking like

1292
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: one guy's gonna never walk or talk again, you know.

1293
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, all right. From it's good question here, we

1294
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: see this is a tough one too, actually that this

1295
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: might be the hardest question to answer, but maybe the

1296
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: best one. Here we go from Cubbies Fan eighty what

1297
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: is the perfect plate of Thanksgiving food and and this

1298
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: is the key, the perfect drink to wash it down.

1299
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you and I have to this thing, Luke,

1300
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: back in the day, at length, at length. But I

1301
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: come from you know, a line of French Canadians, Luke, Okay,

1302
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: my people, the quebec the quebecca Cons, the Vermonters, the Quebecians,

1303
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: the Quebeca Coans. So Luke, that's half of my family.

1304
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm Lithuanian. On the other side, Luke, I

1305
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 2: knew you knew that. So we love ourselves some freakin'

1306
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 2: ass meat pie. To me, Luke, turkey is not even

1307
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: in the equation. Do I put pieces of turkey on

1308
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 2: the plate? Yes? I know people love turkey, super turkey sandwiches.

1309
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 2: If that's how you get down, go for it. To me,

1310
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: meat pie is the heart, Luke, It's the backbone, the

1311
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 2: sack attack of the plate. Have you ever had meat pie? Yes?

1312
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 4: Or no?

1313
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: Luke does like Shepherd's pie count as meat pie?

1314
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: No? I think Shepherd's pie just has ground beef. Meat

1315
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: pie has mixtures of like pork, beef and chicken inside

1316
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: of it with a pie.

1317
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think I've had that now.

1318
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 2: It's got like a cinnamon spice to it as well.

1319
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 2: And you put gravy on that, you put mash potatoes

1320
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 2: and corner around that. Then you get the stuffing. And look,

1321
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: I like the crap can stuffing. That's where that's how

1322
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: I get down. Don't don't give me the one with

1323
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 2: the big chunks in it. Give me the crap all right,

1324
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: put that around it. Stuffing is the is like the

1325
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen of the meal. You gotta have great stuffing, okay,

1326
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 2: but it's really what happens is the mash, the gravy

1327
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: and the corn become almost like a floating moat for

1328
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 2: the for the meat pie to swim in. And then

1329
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 2: around that, you know, you got a little green bean

1330
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 2: cast role. I got an ad that Aunt Cheryl makes

1331
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 2: the lasagna randomly. I throw a little asagnia on the side.

1332
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: But really it's about the meat pie and the traditional

1333
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: fixings around that. You asked about the drink, Luke, I mean,

1334
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: it's between a glass of milk and a root bear

1335
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: for the perfect a company.

1336
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: Are you out of your fucking mind? You had me

1337
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: on most of that shit. Most of that shit I

1338
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I can get it down with

1339
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: that fucking root beer. What are you just trying to

1340
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: fucking singe your palette so you couldn't appreciate anything on there?

1341
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 2: Probably what am I supposed to say, Luca A Glengarry

1342
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: Glenn Ross that you're I mean you, where are we

1343
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: going with this?

1344
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: Coffee is for closers BC? Uh Okay, Well, here's the thing.

1345
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: My family doesn't really do Thanksgiving as traditionally as other ones,

1346
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: which is to say, yes, okay, well I don't have

1347
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving this year, but you know when we do, we

1348
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: obviously have a turkey. I mean, that's what of the centerpiece.

1349
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: Turkey is an overrated bird. You have to really know

1350
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Bce. You ever fried a turkey, it's

1351
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: a super overrated bird. You ever fried a turkey?

1352
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 2: I have had a fried turkey that a friend of

1353
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: mine man wants and delivered it to me on Thanksgiving.

1354
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.

1355
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,439
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so I fried a turkey a few years ago.

1356
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: It's the best decision I ever made. I did it

1357
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: in peanut oil. You have to have the ingredients and

1358
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: you gotta do it safely. I did it in the

1359
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: middle of my yard with grass. I had a sand

1360
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: pit around it. I mean sure, I put the right

1361
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: amount of oil in. I heated it with the right

1362
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: equipment to the right amount. I slowly lowered with the

1363
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: right equipment the bird into there. Eighteen minutes. I pulled

1364
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: it out peanut sauce, and I had injected fat and

1365
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: butter all into it before, you know, and I'd seasoned

1366
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: it for three days ahead of time. Sauce.

1367
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 2: You put the peanut sauce on, so it's not like

1368
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: a time.

1369
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: Pea no no, no no no no. Peanut oil. You

1370
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: fry and peanut oil. Yeah, And so I fried it,

1371
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: pulled it out. Dude, that's the best turkey I've ever had.

1372
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: I know a lot of folks like my me mom

1373
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: makes turkey in the oven. Your me mom makes fucked

1374
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: up dry wood, and you just lie to yourself and

1375
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: to her.

1376
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 2: But you ever use my MEMA's name in vein.

1377
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I can't. Severny times I've been

1378
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: to someone's house and like, dude, my grandma makes the

1379
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: best fucking bird and I ate it, and it was like,

1380
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: holy shit, I might have food poisoning for just eating

1381
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: dry wall. Okay, let me fish the.

1382
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: Get my sacrilege of saying that turkey is the most

1383
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 2: overrated part of the meal, like by far, like like

1384
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: I could.

1385
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: Do with that. We're in lockstep on that. I'm not

1386
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: one of these guys like, do you have to have

1387
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: turkey because it's Thanksgiving and that's the thing you gotta do? Yeah, sure, man,

1388
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: I won't. I won't fight you on that. On some level,

1389
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: you gotta have it. Plus yes, the leftovers and blah

1390
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: blah blah. But like as turkey as good as beef

1391
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: to eat? Fuck, no, it's not nearly as good, or

1392
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: we should start.

1393
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 2: We should change in this country. Make spiral ham the

1394
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 2: centerpiece of the Thanksgiving me I'll usually have that on

1395
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: Christmas or on Easter. But spiral Ham's well.

1396
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: Luke well, And here's what I would say, So finish

1397
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: the plate. The mac and cheese has to go on there.

1398
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm a big mac and cheese guy. I'm not a

1399
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 1: big green bean. I'm not a big green bean guy.

1400
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll eat them, but I don't think they're

1401
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: not a very interesting veggie. So my mom has this sjams.

1402
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: Do you mess around with like yams or like.

1403
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: Sweet potato maybe, But my mom has this special vinagrette

1404
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: she used to make Rest in Peace, and me and

1405
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: my sister and my brother all still make it. So

1406
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: we'll make my mom's so sort of like a mustard vinaigrette,

1407
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: and we'll dress some kind of salad that we make

1408
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: with it, and then from there, corn bread biscuits. I

1409
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: feel like a biscuit is kind of essential with the gravy.

1410
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: Maybe some stuff, well I'll take a roll, luke, but

1411
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: a biscuit would be a.

1412
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: Roll, is okay? So yeah, some kind of thing you

1413
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: could put in your You just can't have a slice

1414
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: of bread in there. You gotta have something a little

1415
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: bit different to stop it up. But I'll tell you

1416
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: for this year, BC, what I'm gonna do is, I

1417
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: know you've never had it, but just hear me out,

1418
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: because if you've never been to South America, you gotta

1419
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: understand one thing about the whole place. Whether it's Brazil

1420
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: or any other place, it's all kind of the same

1421
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: in one sense. They love their beef down there, and

1422
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: they know how to do it right, various country to country,

1423
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: but they do it well. There's something where my wife

1424
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: is from and where she is from it's high in

1425
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: the mountains. It's actually higher than in Mexico City. It's

1426
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: eighty five hundred feets Boca Ta, Colombia. There are no

1427
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: central acs in any place you go. The only way

1428
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: to heat everything or to keep it cool. It's cool naturally,

1429
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: so the only way to heat anything is with a fireplace.

1430
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: So they have a dish down there called Lomo al trapo.

1431
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: Lomo el trapo is I would pronounce it otherwise. You

1432
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: take beef tenderloin, you assault that son of a bitch

1433
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: like you never salted anything in your life. You pepper

1434
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:50,919
Speaker 1: that bitch like you never peppered anything in your life.

1435
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: You take cheese cloth and you dunk it in red wine,

1436
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: you wrap it. You get the fireplace going BC fifteen.

1437
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: Maybe you assault that bitch like John Copenhaven. Is that

1438
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 2: what you just I hope not?

1439
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: No. Fifteen minutes fifteen minutes, and you get one of

1440
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: the best tasting pieces of meat you ever had in

1441
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: your life. You could put some rosemary in there as well.

1442
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: You get that I was You get that a glass

1443
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: of pino no war, not fucking root beer, and you

1444
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: are living the good life, sir. Easy to cook, easy

1445
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: to do.

1446
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's course correct and remember that I

1447
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 2: come from a factory town.

1448
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: All right.

1449
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 2: There ain't no Pino noir anywhere.

1450
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Pana noir is like, dude, you can get a

1451
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: Pana no war for like nine dollars.

1452
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what I know that now now that

1453
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 2: I live in the uh you know, in the in

1454
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 2: the in the snobby burbs, but uh you know, come on, Luke,

1455
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 2: all right, you got you gotta go back to your roots.

1456
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 2: But look, I respect the game there. I like the

1457
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 2: South American influence. I'm sure a boiler makes something fantastic. Look,

1458
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 2: I bet I can hang with your people.

1459
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I bet you'd love to eat. You would not

1460
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: have a bad meal down here. You just have a

1461
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: different meal, that's all all right. And last, but not least, BC.

1462
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 2: You were gonna ask Jay about how his tribe celebrates Jay.

1463
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: We've gotta get some whatever.

1464
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:00,479
Speaker 1: Jay.

1465
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 2: You're there, Jay, what's going on?

1466
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm here?

1467
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 2: Do your people?

1468
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: Hey? Hey, hold on, hold on, Hey, where's Jay? And

1469
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: why do you replace him with scrill X?

1470
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 5: Because he died?

1471
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: Did he did he die? I don't think he died.

1472
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1473
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 3: He's alive? Is he one of the alive? They all

1474
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 3: die eventually, at some point they'll commit suicide.

1475
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: What do you what do you eat? What do you

1476
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: eat on Thanksgiving?

1477
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 3: I know this might disappoint Brian, but I'm actually like

1478
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 3: fourth generation American, so I know he treats the.

1479
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Speaker 1: Jews like their difference, like you know, they're American too, right?

1480
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 2: Is that even me?

1481
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1482
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 3: It's like like he thinks I'm gonna have some like

1483
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 3: you know. Oh, yes, well my my Israeli parents who

1484
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 3: don't speak any English. No, I mean my my grandparents

1485
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 3: were all born in America. But anyway, you make.

1486
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 2: The turkey out of clay. I get it, Jay, I get.

1487
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 5: It, Yes, exactly, And then oh that's hilarious.

1488
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: No.

1489
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very American, very traditional American Thanksgiving.

1490
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: Alright.

1491
01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not gonna say anything bad in case

1492
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 3: my mother watching because she Oh.

1493
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 2: Thank you, missus Aaron, for for helping helping him produce

1494
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 2: the show you know, originally years ago. Jay, real quick,

1495
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 2: can you tell Luke what song you were playing on

1496
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 2: acoustic guitar before the show this morning?

1497
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 3: That was Backstreets Back, the famous song by the Backstreet Boys.

1498
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a dark morning.

1499
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 2: That's your producer, Luke there he is.

1500
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that song is about twenty five years old?

1501
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 5: Could you believe? How old does that make you feel?

1502
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? Rev Okay, thanks Jacks Grady seven. Great talking to you, Jay.

1503
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 5: Always always a pleasure being Thank you, thank you. We

1504
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 5: have one more question by the way.

1505
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: Yes we do, which we can get to when you leave.

1506
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: Thank you? All right at at Dilio underscore too, b

1507
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: See what's some advice you'd have for a high school

1508
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: donk headed to college? Well, first, don't get COVID, but

1509
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: beyond that, what else?

1510
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a college shop out, Luke, Am I the

1511
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 2: right guy to be giving you advice? Come on?

1512
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: You know?

1513
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: I mean really? Hare Luke great?

1514
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? You and Kanye? Yeah, you and Kanye. Best

1515
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: advice I would have is people say it'll be the

1516
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: most fun you've ever had. That's probably true. It's not

1517
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,560
Speaker 1: entirely true, but it's probably true. But the thing I

1518
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: would say is take an opportunity to study something that

1519
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,600
Speaker 1: really captures your imagination. So for me, I went in

1520
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: a lot of different directions. But don't just like, oh

1521
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: my dad said I need to study fucking blah. So

1522
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do that, Like, really take an opportunity

1523
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: to take classes, even if you have to take a

1524
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: higher than fifteen credit hours per semester load to do it.

1525
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: Take extra classes that really advance or understanding of the world,

1526
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: that are just about learning. It's not about any kind

1527
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: of job prospect. That really broaden your horizons, enrich the

1528
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: value of learning, and see where that takes you. Maybe

1529
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 1: it doesn't lead to a major or not anything else.

1530
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: But the best classes you'll take in college are the

1531
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: ones you are the most passionate about. And I don't

1532
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: mean bowling for your last semester of senior year.

1533
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I had to go back, look, the advice

1534
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 2: i'd give is go to a warm weather school. Right,

1535
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 2: that seems fairly I mean, you know, that seems fairly smart.

1536
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 2: And look, go to a school with a major power

1537
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 2: basketball or football team. It just seems like that would

1538
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 2: only quadruple the fun, right, Luke, I mean it would

1539
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 2: it would.

1540
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. See I didn't I didn't do that. I didn't

1541
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: do that. In fact, Ben Roethlisberger crushed Mike Tomlin the

1542
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 1: other day. Do you see they had something like Mark

1543
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: Tomlin made some comment about like the Miami of Ohio

1544
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: because you know, we're speaking something. And then Ben Roethlisberger

1545
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, well, when we figure out whatever conference

1546
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: William and Mary plays in. I was like, yeah, that's

1547
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: a dig. That's a dig.

1548
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: And if you're gonna study abroad, we're protection.

1549
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: Right something like that. Yeah, something like that. That's a

1550
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: big help you see. All Right, with that in mind, sorry,

1551
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: it's time for us to watch Slapstick. Go ahead.

1552
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 2: Alright, Hey, it's time for the Factory Town portion of

1553
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 2: this show. All right, we scoured the globe, Luke, the

1554
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: highs and low's, the good, the bad, and the ugly

1555
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 2: in combat sports and beyond. It's have you seen this shit?

1556
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: Luke?

1557
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 2: Have you seen what went on at LFA ninety five,

1558
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 2: Park City, Kansas? The Sonya Slayer himself, Alex Padda, four

1559
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 2: years in the making, he's back in Mma and Luke,

1560
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 2: he sent Thomas Powell to the bottom floor. In fact,

1561
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 2: he got scary for about four or five minutes when

1562
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 2: Powell was not moving. Luke, they call him Poeton. I

1563
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 2: believe that translates to Stonehans. Good God. I cannot wait

1564
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: for this man to get to the UFC. Will it happen, Luke,

1565
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:25,759
Speaker 2: Will it happen?

1566
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: It probably will, but I would caution folks, he's you know,

1567
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: he's a lot older than out of Sonya, and I

1568
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: don't think he is quite as well rounded. So you

1569
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: should have some managed expectations. But if people want to

1570
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: strike with him, eh, you're gonna see a lot of that.

1571
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 2: I mean, look, that's a touch shot right there. He

1572
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 2: just touched him, Luke.

1573
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the timing is perfect. This is absolutely perfect. Bop

1574
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: ah Jesus.

1575
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: Oh wow, all right, Hey, let's go last Thursday belatour

1576
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 2: two fifty three on that undercard. New Zealand's JJ Wilson

1577
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 2: needed just twenty seconds, Luke to send Sergio d'bari on vacation.

1578
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 2: You impressed with the MAJORI kid from New Zealand here?

1579
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does the old sweet That is a similar,

1580
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: uh execution of what masvidoal did to till. Yeah, the

1581
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: old switch step of the feet blitz.

1582
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 2: JJ improus to seven and zero. Is he a ckb guy,

1583
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 2: Luke or no?

1584
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: No, I don't believe so all right.

1585
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, I didn't really want to put any

1586
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 2: of this on the show because you got to go

1587
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 2: to an adult film site to watch it. But were

1588
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 2: you down with what's going on in Fight Circus two

1589
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 2: over the weekend where they had all that weird stuff.

1590
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 2: They had a three on one MMA fight. But I

1591
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 2: wanted to show you the prize they gave to the

1592
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 2: big fellaw called Panda for competing in this. Did you

1593
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 2: see this conspiracy theory picture that says no fight Circus

1594
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 2: rules and Epstein didn't kill himself? That piece of artwork

1595
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 2: was what they gave the Panda for competing, Luke.

1596
01:12:58,600 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: There was a spinny.

1597
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 2: Shit only fight. There was a leg kick only fight.

1598
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 2: There was like a lot of weird stuff. If you're

1599
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 2: wondering what a three on one MMA fight looks like,

1600
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 2: we've got footage here if we can advance the slide. Yeah,

1601
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm torn, Luke, because if you're gonna go,

1602
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 2: if you're gonna watch this, you gotta go all in.

1603
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 2: And it's probably pretty gross. I saw Bob SAPs showed up.

1604
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 2: I mean it's probably pretty gross.

1605
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: Right Well, I mean Thailand is a country where they've

1606
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: got you know, kids the age of eight and nine

1607
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: fighting for you know, descend rice to their family. It's

1608
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: they've got a bit of a slightly different. Moral calculation

1609
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: on some of these things.

1610
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 2: Was that in Thailand fight Circus too, it.

1611
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: Was I believe so, yeah, I could be wrong about that.

1612
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: So if there if I am, y'all can kill me

1613
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 1: on dead wrong, but I believe that is correct.

1614
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to Cam Soda for anything, Luke, Okay, come.

1615
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: On, come on, Oh really, you're too good for Cam Soda,

1616
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: mister rat, I am. I am.

1617
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 2: Thank you? Hey and Victor forty three over the weekend, Luke,

1618
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,959
Speaker 2: did you see the damage that PFL champ Kayla Harrison

1619
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 2: left on the face of Courtney King Gone, it looks

1620
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 2: like a horror movie, Luke. Hey, So Harrison moved down.

1621
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 2: She's the one fifty five champ with PFL. She moved

1622
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 2: down to featherweight for this one, which is interesting. She

1623
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 2: said she wants to get another fight within Victa before

1624
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 2: the PFL season. Let's show the finish here. Look, it

1625
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 2: looked like Kayla didn't even get to enjoy it because

1626
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 2: of how brutal it was. I didn't think she wanted

1627
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: to be there, Luke.

1628
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: This was I know. She gets up, Let's see if

1629
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: we can see the face she gets up. She makes

1630
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: it like a face like that, I feel bad. Yeah

1631
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: like that?

1632
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that looks like the movie Carrie. You ever

1633
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 2: see that?

1634
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: Luke? This is pretty cool? Oh yeah, buddy?

1635
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: Wow, all right, Luke? Is she trying to make forty

1636
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 2: five for for some future plans or what?

1637
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: This is? How much blood I come out of the

1638
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 1: bathroom with after I've been to Chipotle.

1639
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 2: It's just so filthy. It's just I mean, just no,

1640
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 2: sell my my legitimate MMA question. All right, yeah, okay, Luke. Well, hey,

1641
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 2: it's time for our head kick of the week, Luke,

1642
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 2: and that comes from Karate Combat's Brian van Weisberg. Yes, yes,

1643
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 2: shout out to them Karate Combat folks who blew us

1644
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 2: off and tried to give a big name start to

1645
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 2: another competitive show after.

1646
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: Wing to it.

1647
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 2: But hey, you know it's they make fun highlights though.

1648
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, Luke, lot to talk about showgun Hua

1649
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 2: tapping to strikes you down with this big muscle bound

1650
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 2: guy at fame MMAA clapping to clapping. Yeah, that choke's

1651
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,520
Speaker 2: not even any like, I can't even fit his muscles around.

1652
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: Him, dude. People who don't know what they're doing, they

1653
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: just panic, and he panicked. But this fight was like

1654
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: the All Steroid Championship of the World, which you know me,

1655
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm all in favor of.

1656
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think even Marius Pujinowski objected to this. Look,

1657
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 2: this is yeah, this is all right. Hey, let's go

1658
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 2: to the gym Luke. You love Jim mishaps, right, Sometimes

1659
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 2: the Jim rack giveth and then it take it away.

1660
01:15:54,000 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 4: Oh so hold on, that is a that's a that's

1661
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 4: a that is a hammer strength shoulder press.

1662
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 2: Which you have in your front yard, which you have

1663
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: in your front yard.

1664
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: And this fucking ape took two bands and tried to

1665
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: do I guess a like a like a chest fly.

1666
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: He do, Oh, that.

1667
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 2: Is that's the back he just got pinned on BC.

1668
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: You gotta go to the gyms that have their racks

1669
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: bolted to the floor. You understand that is a big difference.

1670
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of weird moments in the gym, luke, are

1671
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 2: you down with I think we call this Punjabi tip

1672
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 2: to tip as long as it's among friends, all right,

1673
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 2: I guess we don't have it. Look, we don't have it, all.

1674
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: Right, But look at these these rednecks. We're gonna go

1675
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:49,480
Speaker 1: fishing for king cobras.

1676
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 2: Ah down in the swamp. All right, hey, look these

1677
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 2: these crazy COVID quarantine times. They are allowing one thing.

1678
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 2: Wild animals are now kind of pop you know, populating

1679
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,520
Speaker 2: among us with less traffic. I had a giant bobcat

1680
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 2: in my yard the other night. And check out this

1681
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 2: giant rat in the New York City subway. Luke, this

1682
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 2: is insane.

1683
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: So this is a take on the There was a

1684
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 1: famous meme where a rat was seen pulling a slice

1685
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: of pizza in New York. I just love how the

1686
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: other New Yorkers like don't even front on this. They're

1687
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, let this crazy motherfucker go do his

1688
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: thing and we'll work around. God, dude, do you miss

1689
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: taking this is like this is where we would get

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01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 1: off to at like forty second or whatever. Yeah, I

1691
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 1: don't miss that fucking subway for two seconds.

1692
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 2: I'd rather eat out out of a stand up urinal. Luke, then, ever,

1693
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 2: go back to that believe that all right? Uh hey,

1694
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 2: our street fight of the week, Luke takes us to Flushing,

1695
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 2: New York. That's Queens. So what we don't see was

1696
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 2: there saw this fight. Yeah, there was a fight in

1697
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 2: the street. A guy got a stick involved. So the

1698
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 2: fight ends, but the guy with the stick wants to

1699
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 2: get one more swipe in. So watch what happens.

1700
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I saw this bro. These motherfuckers what.

1701
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:05,839
Speaker 3: Shit.

1702
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 2: He took them through the.

1703
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,440
Speaker 1: Good lord, try the croissants, bitch.

1704
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 2: I mean the fight was pretty brutal. They had sticks

1705
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 2: and ship and then this guy in the car was like, no,

1706
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 2: you're not taking out my my front headlight. Oh my god.

1707
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: And dude, apparently this was all over a parking spot

1708
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: in Queens, New York. Like what are these fucking people doing?

1709
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: And it's amazing no one was killed. I like how

1710
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: the other New Yorkers are like nope, I'm done. Done.

1711
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 1: So this lady in the store, this lady in the

1712
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 1: store still walks out the front door rather than the

1713
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 1: giant fucking hole that was created by the uh the

1714
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: the mercedes here watched this. We'll play it one more time.

1715
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,480
Speaker 2: This is a Tuesday morning in Bogatah.

1716
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: This is no big deal, right, They get busy in

1717
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: these other parts of the world. Man, they don't suffer

1718
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: shit like you know, super gladly. Watch so he gets

1719
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: lifted here and uh, you know, look at the lady

1720
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: walk out. She's like, no walking out the door. Fuck y'all,

1721
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm not paying for that.

1722
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, all right, let's go back to the

1723
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 2: cage the Czech Republic from the promotion, I am fighter, Luke.

1724
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 2: Look at Peter Gabal with a looping left hand, and

1725
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: then look at the little walk off salute. Oh look,

1726
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 2: is that like Hitler? What is he doing there?

1727
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 1: Boom?

1728
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 2: Nice headkick, nice looper? Right, but what's that celebration? It's

1729
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 2: very uh, very third Reich. I don't know if I'm down.

1730
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: With I didn't see it. I didn't see it.

1731
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 2: All right, well, it was a nice little walk off.

1732
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get some kind of hand signal. I don't know.

1733
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 2: Let's keep it on the regional scene, Luke. Where you know,

1734
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 2: regional mma, anything can happen. Have you ever seen a

1735
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 2: tornado body kick Ko before, Luke?

1736
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: I guess I haven't.

1737
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 2: Wow, that looks like it hurts man.

1738
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: Look at those logos on the map. They've printed that

1739
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: ship out of Kinko's five minutes before the fight.

1740
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that cage? Six ft six feet by eight feet, Luke,

1741
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 2: that is some tightness going on there. Speaking of regional Mma, Luke,

1742
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,480
Speaker 2: this is about the most bizarre.

1743
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: Jay, I can't see because I have to watch it

1744
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: on fucking uh zoom three.

1745
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:21,799
Speaker 5: I think I think he hit him in the head.

1746
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 2: I think it was a body kick, Luke or Jay.

1747
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, I know it would have been

1748
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 3: like the top of his shoulder if it was.

1749
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 2: No, he hit him in the liver on the other side, Jay,

1750
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 2: come on, you know we're.

1751
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 1: Us on your right side.

1752
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 5: We'll slow down the videotape after the show.

1753
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, okay, speaking of regional Mma, Luke, watch

1754
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 2: this d Q for slap. First of all, God, we're

1755
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 2: all over the place here, all right. Uh, this is

1756
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 2: a different clip altogether, Luke. Uh, don't drink and dive

1757
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 2: this holiday season?

1758
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: Okay?

1759
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:57,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do we not have the regional scene DQ for slapping?

1760
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 2: And then the guy loses his ship and then the

1761
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: ufree beats.

1762
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, but this guy's a hero. All right.

1763
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 2: We'll try to retrieve that for next week. Shout out

1764
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 2: to this drunken fellow, Luke. That would have been you

1765
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 2: Thursday night. But yep, yep, yeah, all right, I have

1766
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 2: no idea what's coming up next?

1767
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: Here we go?

1768
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 2: Oh hey, Luke, here's the entry from our Canadian friends.

1769
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 2: From two thousand, a CFL highlight for the ages, former

1770
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 2: NFL quarterback Kerwin Bell spikes it off his own bag, Luke,

1771
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 2: and then gets sent to hell on the ground. You

1772
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 2: down with this?

1773
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: Did they throw the flag on him or the person

1774
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: who like shoved him?

1775
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 2: I don't know, but young Aaron Bronstetter was probably going nuts,

1776
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 2: probably a huge Argos fan, right.

1777
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 1: That is hilarious. All right, a bunch of fucking.

1778
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 2: Your father will not be celebrating Thanksgiving with you due

1779
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 2: to COVID this year. But let's go back pre COVID

1780
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 2: and check him out on the high seas. This is

1781
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 2: what Rob Thomas was all about. Look at this third bag. Yeah,

1782
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: take a bite on a crime, Luke. Yeah, you gotta,

1783
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 2: you gotta corral that guy, Luke.

1784
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: Dude, old McGruff hasn't lost his swag or his appetite.

1785
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 1: I should say he's gonna need to finish. I mean,

1786
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: look at his skin, it has transformed into leather.

1787
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 2: How did these chicks get on that boat? I don't

1788
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: understand how we got here.

1789
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: It's like, how would you describe this guy's skin. It's

1790
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: like the color of pink mixed with dehydrated piss.

1791
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'll give you that. All right, this has

1792
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 2: been all over the place. We're almost done here, Luke.

1793
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 2: We usually save our tip segment for Friday, but check

1794
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 2: out this industrious youth.

1795
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: Luke.

1796
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 2: He couldn't find a lighter or a match, so he

1797
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 2: used his toaster to spark a jay. You down with

1798
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 2: this intuition ingenuity.

1799
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: He couldn't just use the oven.

1800
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 2: To stick his own head in there.

1801
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, Luca, No, no, no, no, but like

1802
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 1: the top the top burner.

1803
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it depends what he has, you know.

1804
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 1: Yes, hey, got it done.

1805
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,719
Speaker 2: I mean, uh, let's close with this, Luke. Uh from

1806
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 2: some more ingenuity. If you can't find a cereal ball

1807
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 2: and you're jones in for some honey nut cheerios, Luke,

1808
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 2: how about asking a friend. This won't get weird at all.

1809
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: Right, I'm never gonna do this for you. I hope

1810
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 1: you understand that. Oh my god, he's gonna eat it

1811
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 1: out of the other guy's mouth. Wow, I mean, what

1812
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: the fuck?

1813
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the share of the week.

1814
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: Luke.

1815
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 2: You saw it, Thank you very much.

1816
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: Let me let me see him, let me see him.

1817
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: Just fucking oh Jesus Christ, this is the stupidest show

1818
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 1: on Earth.

1819
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, why do we do this show so many days

1820
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 2: a week? Hey, speaking of that, Luke, we got a

1821
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 2: bonus for people this week, don't we.

1822
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 1: Yes. So we are not obviously gonna have a live

1823
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: show on Friday, because we're supposed to have some kind

1824
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: of life. So so be sure to go to the

1825
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: Apple Store and leave us a nice review for the podcast.

1826
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: And when you do leave a question in there, our

1827
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: intrepid producers will pull them all together and then we'll

1828
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 1: use that and we'll have a special sort of kind

1829
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: of like a DMS from Donks episode. Is the way

1830
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: I would describe that, BC.

1831
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 2: But the two of us at the same time.

1832
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, by the way, we have odds and ENDSBC,

1833
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 1: what are your odds and ends?

1834
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? So Joe Rogan made as much Ballyhood return to

1835
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 2: the UFC booth, I believe for the first time since

1836
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 2: what habib is?

1837
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 1: That correct sounds about right. It's been a while August

1838
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: or so, it's been a while.

1839
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 2: Or something like that, Luke. Apparently I'm finding out after

1840
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 2: the fact that I might be in the minority here.

1841
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 2: I loved Saturday Night's broadcast, and I might say the

1842
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 2: combination of John Annick, Joe Rogan and Daniel Cormier. I

1843
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 2: think it's my favorite combination in UFC history. All three

1844
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 2: might not be the best ever at their specific role,

1845
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 2: but this combination is fun. And I think it comes

1846
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 2: down to what you prefer. You know what I want.

1847
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 2: You know, I know enough, Luke about technique and stuff

1848
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 2: I don't know at all. I like when they tell me, oh,

1849
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 2: if you if this guy does this, you can get

1850
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 2: a submission. That's fine. But you know what I really want.

1851
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 2: I want fun. I want two dudes, three dudes feeling

1852
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 2: like they could be next to me on the couch

1853
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 2: having a beer. These three are fun. The chemistry is

1854
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 2: off the charts. I think this is my favorite combination

1855
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 2: to ever do it. I mean, I love me some Ja,

1856
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 2: I love you some more Ronaldo maybe more with the

1857
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: best of all time, but this three together, Luke, I

1858
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 2: loved it. I loved it. It felt great again.

1859
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't. I didn't. And it's here's the funny thing.

1860
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: It's like each of well, John Annick is usually good

1861
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: no matter what, and he was good here. And to

1862
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 1: be clear, it's not really a knock on Rogan or DC,

1863
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,440
Speaker 1: which is to say when DC is in the zone commentating,

1864
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: he he, he has given the best wrestling based commentary

1865
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: really of any UFC commentator ever. And I think that's

1866
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: a very fair statement. And obviously Rogan has been doing

1867
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: this a long time and has a narrative to give

1868
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 1: along with, you know, sort of various points of of

1869
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: insight along the way. And again, you're right, really it

1870
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 1: just comes down to what do you prefer. I want

1871
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: them to have a good time, and I want them

1872
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 1: to you know, if they're not having a good time,

1873
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: you can't expect anybody else to. But I like it.

1874
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:19,799
Speaker 1: I like it when it's a little bit of contrast

1875
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 1: and they stay on track a little bit more. To me,

1876
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: it almost sounded like a fight Companion podcast more than

1877
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 1: a did commentary.

1878
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 2: That's I think why I loved it. And look, I

1879
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,799
Speaker 2: think like a Dominic Cruz is probably I think Dominic

1880
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 2: Cruse might be the best they have in terms of

1881
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 2: like actually breaking things down, and a lot of people

1882
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 2: love Biz paying and he can be fun as well.

1883
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 2: I just think these three men they were just I mean,

1884
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 2: it was almost like John Anick was sitting back and

1885
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 2: letting it be the Rogan and DC show, but it

1886
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 2: was it was they were on a roll.

1887
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: Luke. Okay, yeah, but I mean if I mean it

1888
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: should I mean again, it's also going to depend on

1889
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: personal preference. What the producers wanted to sound like. There's

1890
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: a lot of moving factors or moving parts, I should say,

1891
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: but for me, it was a little too silly, little

1892
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: to goofy. I am actually looking for as much insight

1893
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: as not as much, but I'm looking for a sufficient

1894
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 1: amount of insight that is possible given the expertise of

1895
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 1: the people speaking. And I feel like you get that

1896
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 1: better when you have Rogan and Cruz or you know,

1897
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 1: Dan Hardy in DC. I think those combinations tend to

1898
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 1: get you a little bit more of what I am

1899
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 1: looking for. I also feel like Rogan was a little

1900
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Speaker 1: bit rusty, which is understandable given that he had been

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Speaker 1: off for so long. I mean, for folks who don't

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Speaker 1: understand this, he used to do all the ufcs, all

1903
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Speaker 1: of them, even the fight nights, because there was that

1904
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: was just the way it worked. And then he got

1905
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Speaker 1: paired back to most but not all of them, like

1906
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 1: you would do the Fox shows and the pay per

1907
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 1: views and blah blah blah and then it was just

1908
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 1: pay per views, and now even there's only some pay

1909
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Speaker 1: per views because he's not traveling to Abu Dhabi for them,

1910
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Speaker 1: and obviously a big portion of this year has been

1911
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Speaker 1: fights putting over there, so he's actually doing the fewest

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Speaker 1: amount of UFC shows he's done since he started. Maybe,

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Speaker 1: to be quite honest.

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Speaker 2: With you, August was the last time, right, Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 2: here's the thing with every announcer who's been around for

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Speaker 2: US hits a point where they're where they're post prime,

1917
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Speaker 2: they're after market, they're even washed to a degree. I

1918
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 2: actually think Rogan's after market right now. I just enjoy

1919
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Speaker 2: the shtick that comes with that that I don't get

1920
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 2: irritated if he misses things or if he's a little

1921
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 2: bit off. It only fuels the enjoyment more. Luke, who

1922
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 2: is your favorite team? And I'm not saying an all

1923
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 2: star team, I'm saying, do you have a favorite team

1924
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Speaker 2: in mixed martial arts history?

1925
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I think Marrow is great.

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Speaker 1: We don't get enough of him in MMA. I know

1927
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 1: he's been doing a lot of showtime boxing stuff, which

1928
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: is awesome, but I really miss him in MMA. John

1929
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Speaker 1: Annick's great, So either of those two guys. If we're

1930
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Speaker 1: talking about UFC teams, I like Good and Hardy and DC.

1931
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Speaker 1: I also like Annik, Rogan and Cruise. If we're talking Bellator,

1932
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Speaker 1: you know, obviously Marrow, Big John and John Jash Thompson's

1933
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Speaker 1: strong trio.

1934
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Speaker 2: We haven't seen enough of that trio. That's a strong trio.

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Speaker 1: Right there, exactly. So, uh so that's sort of where

1936
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Speaker 1: I'm at. What about you?

1937
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Speaker 2: I think this three might be my favorite, and I've

1938
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 2: always gone to bat for this and people don't like it.

1939
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 2: I think Randy Cortur is one of the best fight

1940
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Speaker 2: commentaries of all time. I don't really listen to it.

1941
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 2: I don't I don't watch a ton of Is he

1942
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 2: still doing PFL? I don't even know. But Luke, I

1943
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 2: thought when he was, you know, still in his UFC

1944
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 2: prime and was working on some of those mid broadcasts,

1945
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 2: meaning you know, mid in the transition to the modern period,

1946
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 2: he was fantastic. Obviously, I love me some old school

1947
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 2: Jeff Blatnick and stuff like that, but uh give me,

1948
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 2: give me, give me a fun broadcast, Luke. Okay, that's

1949
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Speaker 2: what I want.

1950
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Speaker 1: That's all I want, all right, fair enough. It's just again,

1951
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: it's really going to be a function of what the

1952
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: what the producers want, and what the individual.

1953
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 2: No, you're a diehard Goldie fan. Yeah, you're a diehard

1954
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 2: Goldie fan.

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Speaker 1: And I've been so right about that. I've been so

1956
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 1: right about that guy from day one. I got so

1957
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: much pushback when I was like, I don't think he's

1958
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 1: very good, and everyone was like, oh my god, he

1959
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: was the best, and now you can't even find a defender. So,

1960
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,759
Speaker 1: you know, head of the curve. Uh So for mine,

1961
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: I got a couple of these. One we'll talk to me. Well,

1962
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, we mentioned the Koodie Garbent thing. But the

1963
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: other one I wanted to mention was Lex McMahon has

1964
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: been a long time MMA manager. I think he's the

1965
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 1: promoter of Titan FC as well. And this past week

1966
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:17,640
Speaker 1: or weekend or whatever, I'm not sure exactly what day

1967
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,600
Speaker 1: it was, he said, you know what I owe my

1968
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 1: fighters something, which is I should get in there and

1969
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:27,839
Speaker 1: experience this for myself. So he got into the Cage

1970
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 1: BC and he fought in a pro contest there. He is,

1971
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 1: he's like forty something and.

1972
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 2: He won Jackie one B.

1973
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at him. He won via choke from the back.

1974
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 1: So uh, you know, everyone in MMA is expected to

1975
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: fight at some point, which I think is a fairly

1976
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 1: ridiculous expectation, but it's just sort of the way things are. Well,

1977
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,720
Speaker 1: he met the call, he heard it, and there he

1978
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 1: is and he got a I'm not sure what round

1979
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: it was. I didn't even see the fight, but I

1980
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 1: did see the result and I thought it was kind

1981
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: of interesting. So shousta Lex McMahon. Look with cigar, BC,

1982
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 1: you gotta respect that huh American flag upside down in

1983
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 1: the background. That's always nice anyway.

1984
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 2: A lot of COVID waiting to happen in that picture.

1985
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But shout the Lex McMahon for putting it

1986
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 1: on the line and getting it out there. And good

1987
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: job by him. He was quite agra right there.

1988
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 2: Very Vince McMahon of him. Luke to you know, enter

1989
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Speaker 2: into the fray.

1990
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I guess. So So that's my odds and

1991
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: ends BC. All right, so we should talk about this Wednesday.

1992
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a show. We're gonna preview the the

1993
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: Tyson and Roy Jones Junior Ridiculousness. There is a UFC

1994
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: show this weekend. If I'm not mistaken, So we'll talk

1995
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:38,719
Speaker 1: about that.

1996
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 2: And also be on the lookout. I will be chatting

1997
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 2: with Derek Lewis this week on Morning Combat as a

1998
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 2: bonus effort. There also Francis and Gano. You'll be getting

1999
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 2: a little bit of that, Luke. I'm also gonna be

2000
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 2: chatting with Danny Garcia and Aryl Spence. A big week

2001
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 2: for a short week, A lot of interviews coming your.

2002
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 1: Way, and I don't want to declare it because last

2003
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: time we declared it it was not true. Although not

2004
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 1: our call. There's supposed to be the documentary coming out

2005
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 1: this week, maybe even tomorrow, but maybe maybe you know

2006
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: who really knows BC not you or me? I know that.

2007
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe we'll see you.

2008
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 1: Look okay, we'll see As a sort of a standard disclaimer,

2009
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2010
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2011
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2012
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2013
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2014
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2015
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2016
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2017
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Speaker 1: Brian on twitters, on Insta's Morning Combat for everything, Twitter, Instagram,

2018
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Speaker 1: and of course YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. Last,

2019
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Speaker 1: but not least, what do we get right? What do

2020
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Speaker 1: we get wrong? Fans? Submissions for artwork, everything else, Morning

2021
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Speaker 1: Combat at gmail dot com. B see any parting thoughts

2022
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:59,520
Speaker 1: here on this Monday afternoon.

2023
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 2: If you have a look, you're a you know you're

2024
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 2: you're not. No one's going to tell you to stick

2025
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 2: to sports, Luke. Okay, so do you have any message

2026
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 2: for someone who's thinking about get hit in the road

2027
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 2: going to see their family during the holiday season? It's

2028
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 2: spreading that VID all around the globe, Luke.

2029
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:20,640
Speaker 1: Well, if you give Grandma COVID over Thanksgiving, call the

2030
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: funeral home and tello, she'll be in there around New

2031
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 1: Year's So that is what I would say that.

2032
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, yes, be safe everybody. Well, we'll see

2033
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 2: you on Wednesday. Of course always bonu. We got so

2034
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 2: much bonus coming out here. Look, you know what people

2035
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:38,680
Speaker 2: know us subscribe bro, Yeah, just already. I mean, look,

2036
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 2: what else do you want us to do? Right? I

2037
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:41,919
Speaker 2: mean come on, well.

2038
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 1: Uh so we got tons We actually have a lot

2039
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,799
Speaker 1: of content coming your way by virtue of BC's interviews,

2040
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 1: the document the documentary, the Wednesday Show, the actual, the

2041
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 1: planned Friday Show, a whole lot of stuff. So be

2042
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: on the lookout, okay. And also maybe.

2043
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 2: Look, if we don't get to seventy five K before

2044
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 2: the new year, Luke here, sorry, here's our plea to

2045
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 2: the people. If we don't get to seventy five K,

2046
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:06,759
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a three man show starting in twenty

2047
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 2: twenty one. And I think you know who that third

2048
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 2: man will be. Not the guy with the hat, all right,

2049
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 2: although he was wearing one today, Jaren. We'll bring Jaren

2050
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 2: in until we get to seventy five K, okay, wearing.

2051
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 1: A Las Vegas fuck fucking Raiders hat or not Raiders.

2052
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Golden Knights. I mean, what a dipshit this

2053
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 1: guy is?

2054
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 2: Heay, it's your time. It's up to the people. They

2055
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 2: want more j in their life.

2056
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 1: Don't subscribe, Tode, Why do you like the Golden Knights?

2057
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: Understand something? His favorite teams are the Yankees. I'm sure Duke.

2058
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 1: He hasn't told me that, but I bet he roots

2059
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:42,720
Speaker 1: for Duke, the Dallas Cowboys and now though expansion fucking darlings.

2060
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 1: You are pathetic as a sports fan. Jay No, sir, I'm.

2061
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 5: A New York Rangers fan for life. This hat was free,

2062
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 5: so I have it and it matches.

2063
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 1: Well, motherfucker. You could send me a Philly Flyers or

2064
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 1: Penguins hat. I'm gonna burn that shit and make my

2065
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Lama altropo on top of it.

2066
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 3: Any any Philly thing I would never I would never wear,

2067
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 3: never wear red Sox anything. There are lines that can't

2068
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 3: be crossed. But the Vegas Golden Knights, if you remember,

2069
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,559
Speaker 3: were the New York Rangers. They like got a bunch

2070
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,440
Speaker 3: of their players when they started. They were like Rangers West.

2071
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 2: MK listeners right here. This could be your future could be.

2072
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well and when the Capitols played them, what happened?

2073
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:25,720
Speaker 1: That's right? Stanley Cup champions over here? Motherfucker? How about that?

2074
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a hell of an NHL flex out of there.

2075
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 5: Yeahziko Bekins' entire career, uh for to get one?

2076
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 1: Gat Hey, we got one. I don't want to hear

2077
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: shit anymore? All right, all right, all right for j

2078
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: for Malca for showtime, that's Brian Campbell and Luke Thomas.

2079
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Speaker 1: We will see you on Wednesday, but plenty of content

2080
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: here on the channel all week long, and until then,

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Speaker 1: may all of your games be loyal