WEBVTT - Egyptian Mummies: A Cosmic, Mortuary Odyssey

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>us dive into the world of the money, particularly the

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<v Speaker 1>Egyptian mummy. Um. There are various mummification traditions throughout the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and many of them are just so fascinating. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>more than enough to talk about with just Egyptian mommy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an incredibly deep topic. And yeah, I think so

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna we decided to specifically focus on the Egyptian

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<v Speaker 1>process and mythology here in today's episode. Uh. If there's

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<v Speaker 1>enough interest, let us know, uh, and we will go

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<v Speaker 1>on and do another episode on all the other variations

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<v Speaker 1>because one of the things that I found that was

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<v Speaker 1>interesting was apparently it was being done in the America's

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<v Speaker 1>even before it was being done in Egypt. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe one of the oldest hair samples that we have

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<v Speaker 1>comes from a Central American mummy. So yeah, yeah, um,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, if you want to hear about self mummifying,

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<v Speaker 1>monks in in Asia. Let us know. Uh, that's something

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<v Speaker 1>we can discuss. Do you want to hear about bog people?

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<v Speaker 1>That can be another episode, But for this episode, there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much about Egyptian mummies that that we will

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<v Speaker 1>be struggling to fit enough into one episode here today. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're really pervasive. I think when you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>Western culture, at least, when we think mummies are mummification,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody goes for the Egyptian one, mainly because, uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>popularity in films and other media, right, like the Curse

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<v Speaker 1>of a Mummy or or something like that. Well, even

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<v Speaker 1>in children's books. And this is something that I've really

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<v Speaker 1>come on too in the last few years. Uh with

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<v Speaker 1>the with the Sun, is that that mummies pop up

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<v Speaker 1>in books all the time. Yeah, my son has a

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<v Speaker 1>book where like a skeleton is going trick or treating

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<v Speaker 1>and it is chased by a mummy. Of course. Maurice

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<v Speaker 1>Sindac had a had a wonderful pop up book that

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<v Speaker 1>has a mummy in it. And in both of those

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<v Speaker 1>you see this, uh this trope employee that you also

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<v Speaker 1>encounter and other bits of mummy media where of course

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<v Speaker 1>you grab hold of the wrapping and you pull the

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<v Speaker 1>wrapping and then the mummy spins around like a top

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<v Speaker 1>and the Monster Squad the way to take out a mommy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's how they did it in a Monster Squad. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite movies when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's currently streaming on Netflix. I was able

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<v Speaker 1>to catch it again recently. But yeah, they they like

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<v Speaker 1>tie the bandage to an arrow, shoot it into a tree,

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<v Speaker 1>and the mummy is like hanging onto the back of

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<v Speaker 1>their car and slowly unravels. It turns out there was

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<v Speaker 1>nothing there except for a skull the whole time, which

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<v Speaker 1>on one level I was always disappointed with in Monster

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<v Speaker 1>Squad because the mommy is clearly cooler looking than what

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<v Speaker 1>they do with him. But I can see where the

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<v Speaker 1>trope is attractive, particularly in children's literature, because you have

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<v Speaker 1>this threatening but easily unwound creature, right, this this threat

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<v Speaker 1>that is easily dismissed but still visually impressed. Well, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go out on a limb here. As a

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<v Speaker 1>horror fan, I've never found mummies to be scary or

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<v Speaker 1>to make much sense. In fact, like I always thought

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<v Speaker 1>of mummies as being like the kind of like they

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<v Speaker 1>would be the the monster that like makes friends with you,

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<v Speaker 1>right like the way Frankenstein does in Monster Squad. I

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<v Speaker 1>just especially from when when you look at like the

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<v Speaker 1>actual process, the science behind it, and the history in

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<v Speaker 1>Egyptian culture. Where does this idea of mummies as like

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<v Speaker 1>these evil monsters that are going to kill us come from? Well, I,

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<v Speaker 1>for for my own part, I find that it makes

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<v Speaker 1>more sense if you think about it in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the Egyptian mummy as a as a traveler across spot

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<v Speaker 1>time and space. Okay, so um, and we'll get into

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<v Speaker 1>more into the cosmology here shortly. But essentially, you have

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<v Speaker 1>this individual who is leaving our world through the gates

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<v Speaker 1>of death, traveling to another world and in another world

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<v Speaker 1>where uh, nothing is guaranteed. It's not just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to Egyptian heaven. Now you're going to an

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<v Speaker 1>Egyptian afterlife that's rife with danger. You're gonna need supplies,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna need some some servants, you're gonna need you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some spells to protect you. So it's a dangerous journey,

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<v Speaker 1>not unlike say sending um colonists like frozen colonists on

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<v Speaker 1>a spaceship, generation ship, you know, across the cosmos to

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<v Speaker 1>another world. And then what it happens if you wake

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<v Speaker 1>up halfway through because some dumb museum dude has decided

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<v Speaker 1>that he wants to put you on display. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be angry, You're gonna be a little confused, and you

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<v Speaker 1>might not be in the best physical condition. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tell some people. That's where it always seems to

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<v Speaker 1>come from, right is the idea? It seems like even

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<v Speaker 1>as we are doing it, we as Westerners, seem to

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge that the idea of us taking these bodies and

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<v Speaker 1>these sacred objects from their sites and taking them on

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<v Speaker 1>a tour, popping them in a museum somewhere is inherently

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and that we must be punished for doing so. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is there, and I'm surely somebody has written at

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<v Speaker 1>length on this, to what extent has the Mummy. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a monster, an externalization of our own inner guilt,

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<v Speaker 1>having really just ripped pieces of this culture apart and

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<v Speaker 1>spread it across the world. Because you see, you see

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<v Speaker 1>obelisks from ancient Egypt in Paris and in London, in

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<v Speaker 1>New York, and of course museum items and museums around

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Pilford from Egypt. Yeah, I mean there was

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<v Speaker 1>just a tour that was here like a year or

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<v Speaker 1>two ago. I think that was like, um, you know

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<v Speaker 1>a two ring showcase of of mummies that that goes

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<v Speaker 1>from one city to another and sets up shop and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's there for six months and you can

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<v Speaker 1>go and see it and then it's gone, it moves

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<v Speaker 1>on to the next city. I um, I mean this

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<v Speaker 1>is something I don't know about you, but like I

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<v Speaker 1>always grew up like going on school trips to museums,

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<v Speaker 1>and the mummy was always the big thing, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>going getting to see a mummy or like it's sarcophagus

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that was always like that was the

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<v Speaker 1>coolest part of the trip. But now as an adult,

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<v Speaker 1>I look back on it and I'm like, wow, that

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<v Speaker 1>that's like imagine if somebody like dug up my grandfather,

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<v Speaker 1>like a couple of hundred years from now and just

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<v Speaker 1>put his coffin on display for kindergarteners run past. This

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<v Speaker 1>is very strange, it is, yeah, and I certainly agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember looking forward to seeing the mummy at the

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<v Speaker 1>Major Museum in Nashville when when I would when school

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<v Speaker 1>groups up there would I would go to visit. But

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, now it just feels a little weird. Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's nail this down. What exactly is the mummy?

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<v Speaker 1>I think we all have ideas of how it works,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course we have many of us have that

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<v Speaker 1>same experience of going to the museum and reading the

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<v Speaker 1>paragraph that's inscribed next to the actual case that but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really think that gives you enough context. So

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<v Speaker 1>a mummy is simply a human being whose soft tissue

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<v Speaker 1>has been preserved after death. So normally, of course, decomposition

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<v Speaker 1>takes place and reduces the body to a skeleton in

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of months. Uh. And the rate of decompetition.

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<v Speaker 1>Decomposition is dependent on a number of environmental factors. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna if you're in a humid environment, it's gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>a lot faster. The dryer, colder environment is gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>a lot slower. And there's a sort of like procedure

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<v Speaker 1>for decomposition, right. It starts with autolysis, which is when

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<v Speaker 1>you know your organs basically the digestive enzymes inside them,

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<v Speaker 1>like your intestines, they start digesting themselves. Right, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>more food coming in, So your body starts or the

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria inside of it at least starts eating you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>society just falls apart in the basically, then you have putrification,

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<v Speaker 1>the breakdown of organic matter by bacteria. This sets in

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<v Speaker 1>about three days after death and just eats everything away

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<v Speaker 1>in a matter of months. And it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>accelerated in human environments due to rapid bacterial reproduction. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then and so again, like we talked about, environment

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<v Speaker 1>plays a big deal here. So if conditions are cold

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<v Speaker 1>enough or dry enough, these are all the things that

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<v Speaker 1>that aren't they they're so harsh to bacteria that they

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<v Speaker 1>can't survive if they don't have any oxygen, for instance.

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<v Speaker 1>That's another one. So in those cases, the body does

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<v Speaker 1>not fully decompose, and it takes thousands of years for

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<v Speaker 1>this process to slow down in it and it uh

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<v Speaker 1>desiccate in a very different way than what we're used to.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's sort of where this Egyptian mummification practice came

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<v Speaker 1>in because of the environmental factors that were available to

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<v Speaker 1>them there. Yeah, so mummification can be a matter of

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<v Speaker 1>just falling into a glacier, into a peat bog dying

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<v Speaker 1>in a desert and becoming covered with sand, or it's

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<v Speaker 1>due to funeral design, it's uh, it's due to various

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<v Speaker 1>embalming traditions that popped up throughout human history. And I

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<v Speaker 1>want to quickly mention that old hair sample that I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about earlier, that was from a nine thousand

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<v Speaker 1>year old Chilean mummy. Wow, okay, And for a while

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<v Speaker 1>that was the like the oldest hair sample that we had.

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<v Speaker 1>But in two thousand nine, archaeologists happened upon the oldest

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<v Speaker 1>human hair has ever found at at that point, and

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<v Speaker 1>they found in a pile of fossilized hyena poop, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was between one thousand and two hundred fifty seven

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years old. So somebody was eaten by a hyena

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<v Speaker 1>presumably and and their hair bed in. So in a sense,

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<v Speaker 1>hyna poop is its own form, it's own kind of mummy. Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So that is just taste of some of the things

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<v Speaker 1>we could bring you if you on an episode on

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<v Speaker 1>non Egyptian mummies. But let's focus on the cosmology of

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<v Speaker 1>the Egyptian mummies. So what is the the religious significance,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the mythos around this that that brought Egyptian culture

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<v Speaker 1>into spending so much ornate fascination on embalming they're dead. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, I do I don't want to clarify

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<v Speaker 1>that when you're talking about Egyptian cosmology, you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a long period of time, and of course, uh, traditions

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<v Speaker 1>and faith evolves over time, and sometimes you have a

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<v Speaker 1>pesky pharaoh that comes along and says, hey, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>we're not polytheistic anymore, now a monotheistic and then he

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<v Speaker 1>turned that over as well. But for the most part, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we can pick out certain key elements here. Uh. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons that I think all of us

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<v Speaker 1>can are continually fascinated by Egyptian cosmology is that it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's so alien to us. It's so different from our

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<v Speaker 1>modern models of faith. Uh. And even in its own time,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't really travel well, it was it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an alien belief system even in its day. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>This is of course where you get like the stargate

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<v Speaker 1>type thing from right, the idea that it was actually

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<v Speaker 1>aliens that brought the mythos two human culture. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's yeah, it's easy to and I love to to

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<v Speaker 1>consider those kind of models. But but on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>the non alien Uh, I guess the explanation is even stranger,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because you're just like, who are these people

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, how does how does the culture reach

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<v Speaker 1>this point where they have this this just really rich

0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.920
<v Speaker 1>religion that puts an extreme emphasis on the afterlife and

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<v Speaker 1>in the process introduces the notion of judgment after death.

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<v Speaker 1>So in a sense that the DNA of all these

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<v Speaker 1>modern religions, and I say modern about like you know, thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand year old religions here are are all kind

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<v Speaker 1>of based on the same view of life after death. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that's fascinating about it to me is it

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<v Speaker 1>really shows the imagination of human culture going very far

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<v Speaker 1>back before technological advancements that we uh associate with like

0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:59.200
<v Speaker 1>modern day kind of fantasy or or I guess science fiction. Uh,

0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.719
<v Speaker 1>weird things. But that I mean, these these people were

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<v Speaker 1>coming up with them over three thousand, four thousand years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just these fascinating stories that connected everything together, right, Yeah, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna just try and roll very quickly here

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<v Speaker 1>through some of the basics of the ancient Egyptian journey

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<v Speaker 1>into the afterlife. So First of all, you don't just

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<v Speaker 1>have this singular notion of a soul. The Egyptian soul

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<v Speaker 1>cocktail basically consists of several parts of the co life force,

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<v Speaker 1>the coup, the spiritual intelligence, the second, the power, the habit,

0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the shadow, and n your name. So after you die,

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<v Speaker 1>the dog headed Anibus guides your your soul to the

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<v Speaker 1>hall of justice tended to by various gods. Your your

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<v Speaker 1>heart is weight on a scale um and uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you fail, you're gonna fall. Your soul is gonna fall.

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<v Speaker 1>And this monstrous crocodile headed am it is gonna eat

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<v Speaker 1>your soul. So it's kind of like their version of hell,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like the annihilation model though whereas you're not

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<v Speaker 1>you're just you just ceased to be um. And then

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<v Speaker 1>from there, if you pass, then you enter what was

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<v Speaker 1>called second Aru, the field of rushes. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>the god just the the almost unimaginable other world of

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<v Speaker 1>Egyptian mythology. We have fifteen different regions, each one's ruled

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<v Speaker 1>by a different god. And and it's a world where

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<v Speaker 1>you you might transform into an animal, you might need

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<v Speaker 1>spells to protect you from giant snakes and giant beetles

0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and curses. You're gonna need food when you get there.

0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.520
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna need to farm when you get there. So

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<v Speaker 1>it really is kind of this model of arriving on

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<v Speaker 1>a distant world and having to colonize it. Um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is. It's it's so it's such an interesting concept

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<v Speaker 1>of the afterlife because in a lot of our circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>we just imagine the afterlife either being utter perfection right

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<v Speaker 1>like heaven, or utter torment like hell, but not like

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<v Speaker 1>a whole another life. You have got to have all

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<v Speaker 1>these things and I've got to prepare for it, and

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<v Speaker 1>your whole life is essentially you building up the material

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<v Speaker 1>wealth to be able to have those things in the

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<v Speaker 1>next life. Right, Yeah, I mean it's it's a situation

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<v Speaker 1>where the afterlife is as much of not more work

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<v Speaker 1>than the real world. Right. It sounds like not to

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<v Speaker 1>demean this cosmology in any way, but it honestly sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like World of Warcraft to me, Like it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a video game that's really interesting, but is work. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's detailed in the Egyptian Book of the Dad, which

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<v Speaker 1>comes from B. C. E. That that you could even

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<v Speaker 1>end up landing in the in the airless region of

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<v Speaker 1>exc which is the realm of quote that August God

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<v Speaker 1>who is in his egg, which I don't think there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of details beyond that, but just the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that you could wind up in this region where

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<v Speaker 1>there's some sort of horrible elder thing that rules over

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<v Speaker 1>it from its a giant egg. I love crafty and

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<v Speaker 1>if there ever was one. So so so it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of this idea that the Egyptian mummy is a

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<v Speaker 1>traveler through time and space and your body is in

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a suspended deathly state of suspended animation. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's because let me see if I've got this correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>Because the idea is that the cop part of your

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<v Speaker 1>soul is connected to your physical body, right, and so

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<v Speaker 1>if the physical body is destroyed, that part of your

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<v Speaker 1>soul is destroyed as well. So that this is where

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<v Speaker 1>this idea comes, and it probably came up alongside the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of evolution the early model of the mumification practice

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<v Speaker 1>of this idea of like preserving your body and your

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<v Speaker 1>organs as such and making sure that they're presentable and

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<v Speaker 1>uh so that that part of your soul is also functional. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's and it's important again to note that the

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<v Speaker 1>cosmology itself evolved over time, as did the funeral traditions,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can you can definitely see how they informed

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<v Speaker 1>each other as well. So it's not a situation where

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<v Speaker 1>someone a bunch of Egyptian um, you know, do person

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<v Speaker 1>and bombers was sitting around it's all right, well we

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<v Speaker 1>have this model of the afterlife to work with, how

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<v Speaker 1>do we treat the dead? No, they co evolved over

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand years. Yeah, I think that's the really important

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<v Speaker 1>thing to consider here, and that's how we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>present it to We're sort of going to be going

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<v Speaker 1>through each of the uh, the eras in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the this modification process and how it evolved. Right, But

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<v Speaker 1>that again, consider it, it's three thousand years that this

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<v Speaker 1>went through. So think about some of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>we practiced today that we think of as like totally

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<v Speaker 1>common uh cultural traditions, right, and they're just decades old,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly decades old compared to something what were we practicing

0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.120
<v Speaker 1>three thousand years ago that we're still doing the same

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<v Speaker 1>way today, you know. So it's it's just interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>see how that evolved over their course of time and

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<v Speaker 1>then where we are now compared to that, we look

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<v Speaker 1>at it as being so alien, but it's in fact

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<v Speaker 1>it's all of human history. Yeah. So the earliest model

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<v Speaker 1>we can look to, and this is this is key,

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<v Speaker 1>is is the practice of just bearing your dad in

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<v Speaker 1>a pit in the hot sand. We see we see

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<v Speaker 1>this from various examples, such as their six hundred graves

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<v Speaker 1>from the pre diagnostic Upper Egyptian Badarian culture from around

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<v Speaker 1>to two four thousand BC. And this is just where

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<v Speaker 1>you just dig a pit in the hot stand, you

0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:25.080
<v Speaker 1>throw the body in, and you let a natural mummification tickets. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>like as we're talking about earlier, this these environmental conditions

0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.320
<v Speaker 1>were perfect for the area that they were in and

0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.840
<v Speaker 1>that like you could bury a body and the internal

0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.159
<v Speaker 1>organs would be preserved. The skin would you know, crisp

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<v Speaker 1>into a kind of like a dark hardened shell. But

0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.280
<v Speaker 1>it preserved skin and hair by doing this just essentially

0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:48.360
<v Speaker 1>because there's there wasn't water, Uh, there's probably a little oxygen, right,

0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:53.919
<v Speaker 1>and it was relatively cold, I would assume, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>how deep you dig. We say hot sands, but you know, yeah,

0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:02.119
<v Speaker 1>presentably they're digging yeah, yeah, And and so it was

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<v Speaker 1>this phenomenon that first indicated the Egyptians. I'm assuming maybe

0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.879
<v Speaker 1>maybe an animal pulled out an old corpse one day

0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:10.080
<v Speaker 1>and they saw it and they went, oh my god,

0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.399
<v Speaker 1>it's still oh my god, oh my Anubis. Uh it

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<v Speaker 1>still has hair and its skin is still the same,

0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.359
<v Speaker 1>and and then they thought, oh, well, maybe the soul

0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:20.960
<v Speaker 1>is still there too. Yeah. I think you definitely have

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<v Speaker 1>to consider the fact that, like this is just that

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't thinking of this as a location as much

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<v Speaker 1>as this was just what you did with your dad,

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<v Speaker 1>and they saw what happened to a body after death.

0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:34.359
<v Speaker 1>And there's let's reiterate this too. There's no casket here,

0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.440
<v Speaker 1>there's not even any wrappings here. It's just a dead

0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:42.520
<v Speaker 1>body buried in the sand. Right, But of course that evolves, right,

0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:47.640
<v Speaker 1>the cosmologies evolving. Treatment of the dead is changing, um

0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.280
<v Speaker 1>and you see additions made to that sort of bar

0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.440
<v Speaker 1>him in the pit model. So during the pre dynastic

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<v Speaker 1>period of between animal skin wrapping baskets and then eventually

0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.760
<v Speaker 1>short wooden coffins become the fashion. Yeah. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things I read about this period was that, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes they would they would give you a leather pillow

0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.560
<v Speaker 1>other times they would put a basket over your head,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are things that were supposed to make you

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable in this afterlife. Uh. And then eventually it turned

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<v Speaker 1>into like wicker basket kind of kind of like coffins, right,

0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.560
<v Speaker 1>like they were the idea was that it would provide

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<v Speaker 1>comfort for their dead loved ones. Uh. And then this

0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.040
<v Speaker 1>eventually leads to coffins and then to tombs. Right yeah,

0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:33.760
<v Speaker 1>it kind of you can see it beginning is just

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of like, I hate to see Granddad just

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<v Speaker 1>down there in a pit like that. Let me put

0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:39.440
<v Speaker 1>him under his head, let me give him a leather

0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:42.680
<v Speaker 1>pill him in something. Yeah. And then eventually, like that

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<v Speaker 1>begins to inform ideas of well, where's Grandpa going, what's

0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.040
<v Speaker 1>the why is he so dressed up? So let's pause

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<v Speaker 1>for a second before we dive more into the mummy thing.

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<v Speaker 1>How how do how do you want to be buried? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you wanted to be really comfortable in the afterlife, right,

0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:00.359
<v Speaker 1>let's let's love look at this, like what are the

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<v Speaker 1>things that you're gonna want? Well, um, all my pets

0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.800
<v Speaker 1>and loved ones buried beside me, and now, uh, you know,

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.160
<v Speaker 1>I guess i'd like some good books on hand, you know. Music. Yeah,

0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:14.280
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense, and I think that was a practice.

0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:15.879
<v Speaker 1>Not I don't know about music because they didn't have

0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:19.280
<v Speaker 1>recordings back then, but certainly musical instruments it would be. Yeah.

0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:24.280
<v Speaker 1>I uh, this definitely made me like think about mortality

0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:27.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot. And I've never I suppose I should finally

0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:29.960
<v Speaker 1>get a living will nailed down with my wife or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, but I've always just kind of wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to have a natural burial, not not the hot sands

0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:36.840
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, but I'd be okay with like

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<v Speaker 1>what did they call them, like environmental burials, right, Yeah,

0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.360
<v Speaker 1>I actually just did a video about these for work,

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.040
<v Speaker 1>and I think Joe and I are talking about doing

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<v Speaker 1>a natural burial episode because because I mean, it's something

0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.359
<v Speaker 1>that's based in very old models obviously of of the

0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:57.880
<v Speaker 1>funeral rights, but there are new technological approaches that put

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<v Speaker 1>put some fascinating sniff. Yeah, it just seems to me, like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's attractive to me, I suppose because of the significance

0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:08.879
<v Speaker 1>of like letting your body decay but also kind of

0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.720
<v Speaker 1>give back to the environment around it. But uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I understand coffins and I understand cremation, but

0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:20.480
<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't feel like something that I would be

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:25.000
<v Speaker 1>interested in. I wouldn't especially coffins. Like, man, those things

0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.159
<v Speaker 1>are expensive and a lot of people, like I had

0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.280
<v Speaker 1>a friend whose mother recently died, and he said that

0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:32.280
<v Speaker 1>it was just a racket when they went in to

0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:36.520
<v Speaker 1>go to buy the coffin. I wonder that translates all

0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 1>the way back to this origin of these coffins in

0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:42.199
<v Speaker 1>Egyptian times. You know that the way they're trying to

0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:46.440
<v Speaker 1>make their dead loved ones comfortable. Uh, how does that?

0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:48.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, Like you think about like the lining in

0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the coffin and all these various factors that are It's

0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 1>like like nowadays it's like a little bed, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's kind of based in the same idea of

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<v Speaker 1>like I hate to see the essentially anthropomorphized on an

0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:03.399
<v Speaker 1>inhuman thing. At this point, it's no longer a person,

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:06.320
<v Speaker 1>but I want to treat it like it is. Yeah, absolutely, well,

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean I understand to like the comfort that that

0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:10.919
<v Speaker 1>provides to the family in the same way that this

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 1>provided comfort as well, but it's sort of evolved into

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.920
<v Speaker 1>a whole another thing. Right. Oh yeah, you could argue

0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:21.360
<v Speaker 1>that it got got kind of out of control. Yeah,

0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:24.960
<v Speaker 1>an interestingly interestingly enough, when you look back to this period,

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:29.399
<v Speaker 1>this predynastic period, you also see preparation of the body

0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:32.560
<v Speaker 1>taking on a form of deem dismemberment and de fleshing.

0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:35.680
<v Speaker 1>So sometimes you see the head missing or place somewhere else,

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.399
<v Speaker 1>or the remaining bones h reassembled in in order that

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:42.119
<v Speaker 1>might not conform to their original placement. So it's not

0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:45.040
<v Speaker 1>just like a complete like one to three from bearing

0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the body, from mommifying the body, you see some some

0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:53.200
<v Speaker 1>different approaches taken to preparing the bones. So there was Yeah,

0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:55.359
<v Speaker 1>I had a hard time understanding how this fit in

0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.640
<v Speaker 1>culturally with the idea of comfort. But I can see

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:02.200
<v Speaker 1>that there are obviously like different ranches of understanding regarding

0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I guess what we would call mortuary practice today. Uh.

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:10.200
<v Speaker 1>And clearly the de fleshing and the beheading and all

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:15.480
<v Speaker 1>that stuff didn't win over over the cultural significance of mummification. Yeah,

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Like the de fleshing is like, don't it's easy to

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:20.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of think of it and more of its morbid terms,

0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 1>but essentially it's talking about we're talking about a means

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:24.960
<v Speaker 1>of preserving the body. Like they realize that the flesh

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.400
<v Speaker 1>is gonna rot away, so let's just get it down

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 1>to the bones and then store those away. It gets

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:32.920
<v Speaker 1>into that area of what's important about the body, which

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.119
<v Speaker 1>continues to be an important topic as you look at

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:40.359
<v Speaker 1>mummification process. Yeah. Absolutely, because so they get to this

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:43.679
<v Speaker 1>point where they start using these wicker wicker kind of

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>coffins or tomb like things. But then they realize, oh,

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the bodies actually start decomposing when we do, because we're

0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:55.360
<v Speaker 1>in effect, we're we're sealing it off from the natural

0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:59.479
<v Speaker 1>drying elements of the sand. So we're interfering with the

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:01.840
<v Speaker 1>thing that we really liked about bearing our dead in

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the sand. How can we get that back? And so

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 1>this is where Egyptian science comes in. Essentially they had

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.240
<v Speaker 1>the challenge of figuring out how to replicate the sand

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 1>effect but making the bodies comfortable and also preserved. And

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:19.720
<v Speaker 1>and this is because of the sort of immortality connection

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 1>between the car and the physical body. Right. So by

0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 1>this point we get to the Early Dynastic Age, just

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>as around uh to three thousand BC. Yeah, and during

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>this time you see them taking to wrapping the bodies

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:37.119
<v Speaker 1>in an attempt to keep out the elements and just

0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:39.480
<v Speaker 1>like really wrapping them on, like multiple layers of wrapping

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and also throwing in some some some charms here and there,

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 1>as you know, a magical to turn as well. The

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>thing is, uh, it didn't work all that well because, uh,

0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>the rot the decomposition is coming from within. They thought

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 1>it was about keeping something out. But as we discussed,

0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 1>like the very first process of decomposition is occurring with

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 1>the with the breakdown in the body. So this is

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:05.359
<v Speaker 1>essentially like the origin of this though right there taking

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 1>the wrappings, are coding them in resin, and they're and

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 1>they're covering the body with this. But um, one of

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the things I'd like us to keep in mind here

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 1>going forward from this point in Egyptian history is that

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 1>if the body was something to be preserved and to

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>come back to imagine what these processes would be like

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 1>if you came back into your body, right, So, like

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 1>you're covered in the let's consider it from the fictional

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:38.120
<v Speaker 1>twenty century mummy point of view, right, like, you come

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:42.160
<v Speaker 1>back into this body, you're fully conscious and you're covered

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>just just beginning in this period, you're covered in wrappings

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 1>and hot resin. That's just solidified, right, So that's already

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:53.680
<v Speaker 1>going to be uncomfortable, and it gets more uncomfortable. Yeah,

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.479
<v Speaker 1>because they, like I said, they eventually realized, all right,

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.120
<v Speaker 1>there's rotting going on inside the body. Decompositions have taken

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:01.160
<v Speaker 1>place inside and my or what we do on the outside.

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.119
<v Speaker 1>So they realize when we need to remove most of

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:08.919
<v Speaker 1>the guts. So they take to the practice of making

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 1>a slit in the abdomen and uh and pulling out

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:15.199
<v Speaker 1>as much of the organs in there as they can

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 1>get away with. And this is where they begin the

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>tradition of those it's their canopic jars. Is that right?

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:26.120
<v Speaker 1>So you basically they're like fine pottery that you're each

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 1>of your organs is stored in next to your body.

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:32.359
<v Speaker 1>Uh and and uh, the each of the organs is

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 1>also wrapped in the same way, right like they're they're

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 1>wrapped in resin and linen. Believe. Yeah. And then eventually

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>they're decorating the the econoptic jars more and more and

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 1>uh and and they're taking additional steps to sort of

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>spruce up the body. Uh. They're they're starting to use

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.719
<v Speaker 1>masks to cover for the loss of facial structure as

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:56.480
<v Speaker 1>well as uh. Stucco plaster coatings um that they're they're

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 1>added the wrappings to reproduce the facial features of the

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>individual it in. This is like early plastic surgery on

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>a corpse, like like trying to make it appear as

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>lifelike as possible, even though it's it's not, and they're

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>they're pulling out like constituent parts of it too, that

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 1>are you know, making it kind of collapse, so they

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 1>end up stuffing things inside of it too. Interestingly enough,

0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the ancient Egyptians were some of the first practitioners of

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 1>plastic surgery, so they were actually able to implement that

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 1>on living so you could see how these two would

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:32.520
<v Speaker 1>be connected practices. They realized that there was something you know,

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>you could you could fashion flash, you could fashion it

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>after death, and you could also fashion it while alive.

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 1>And they eventually took to where they're modeling the whole

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>body with the plaster and using you know this this

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:46.719
<v Speaker 1>resin circle in and the stucco overlay for you know,

0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>in the case of really well off departed individuals, you know,

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 1>a recreation of the physical form. And we're talking about

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 1>right now, this is the Fourth Dynasty era uh and

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 1>The big innovation of this is what you're talking about

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.719
<v Speaker 1>with the removal of organs, but also just that they

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>instead of just like digging in there and taking the

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 1>organs out, they made a very small abdominal incision that

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>allowed them to just get that stuff out of there

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>very quickly without damaging it. So they could prevent the

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>natural decay of the organs because you know, apparently these

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>things start to depending on the temperature. Obviously, if it's

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>hot and humid, within two to three hours, those are

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>going to start to decompose. So they wanted to get

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>them out of the body as quickly as possible. Right now.

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 1>They always left the heart though, because the heart is

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>the exact seat of the mind. And uh, well we'll

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>talk about them as well, but kidneys as well. They

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't didn't really find much use for those. But so

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 1>that's fourth dynasty. Then you get fifth dynasty, they start

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:42.720
<v Speaker 1>this is when they start like kind of making portrait

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>of version, like almost like statues out of the mummies.

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Between the fifth and the sixth is when mummifications start

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 1>spreading to lower class people. And we'll talk a little

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 1>bit about like there's a different practice. There was like

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>a I believe the house stuff works. Article refers to

0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 1>it as like the budget model, like and how that

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 1>worked in particular. But you go all the way through

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 1>up until the eleventh dynasty, and then we get to

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 1>another period of improvement. Yeah, this is when they start

0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 1>dehydrating the bodies using large amounts of natron, which is

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 1>a mixture of sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate or chloride.

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 1>So it was an improvement over the an earlier method

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>of just using salt for drying and or of course,

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>the the older method was just the hot stands um.

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing. It was hazardous to work with

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 1>if you're the you know, the the individual there and

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 1>having to dry out the bodies because it would burn

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>your skin. It could cause all sorts of eye and

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>respiratory problems. Yeah, so if you're the embalmer and you're

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 1>working with this stuff, it's pretty hazardous. Like one of

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>the accounts I read was that natron if it got

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>in your eye, it could cause conjunctive conjunctival edemas or

0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 1>corneal destruction. I mean, it would eat your eye. Uh

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 1>So I can imagine that these embombers tried to be

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty careful with it, but it was essentially um. The

0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 1>idea from it. It was it was the sodium compounds

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>that they got from the shores of different Egyptian lakes

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>or sometimes like the desert west of the Nile Delta.

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 1>They were able to find this stuff and it was

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 1>very salty UM, and it absorbed moisture. I almost wonder,

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious about the process, given like what we know

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>about how salt and moisture interact now, Like it was

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 1>absorption or absorption um, but it was it was taking

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 1>the water out of here. And unlike the sands, which

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>would darken the skin over time, it didn't do that

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 1>as much. These um. These mummies definitely did like dark

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 1>and compared to their natural hue, but not as much

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>as as you found when you just threw the body

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>in hot sands. And one other thing, they actually used

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>natron to dissolve fats and it was used as like

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>a cleaning material too, So you know, you can bear

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>that to like embalming fluid that we use nowadays, and

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 1>it's not all all that different. Not that I use

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>embalming fluid to like clean the furniture in my house,

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>but some people might Apparently they originally tried to make

0:32:57.240 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 1>like liquid natron mixtures and they they did like experiments

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>on animals, and they found that it just like totally

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 1>disintegrated the animals from the inside out and just made

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 1>this gory mess. So they decided not to use it

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 1>that way. Speaking of which, um Anna Maria Roso, who's

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:16.040
<v Speaker 1>an excellent article on the the global history of mummification

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 1>which i'll link to on the landing page for this episode.

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 1>She tells us that quote by the Middle Kingdom, a

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 1>turpentine like oleo resin was also injected into the anus

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.560
<v Speaker 1>to dissolve the organs and to extract them. So there's

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>another gory detail to take in mind when you think about,

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>especially a reanimate mummy. Yeah, and one of the iterations

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 1>of that, uh, turpentine injected into the anus uh method.

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess that I read was that that was a

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>lower class thing. Later on, like that ended up being

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>like if you wanted the the economy model of mummification,

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of how it worked. But we'll get

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 1>to that in a moment. So we're up to the

0:33:55.960 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 1>twelfth century. Now, we're into the nineteen nineties, uhah, through

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 1>around seventeen two v c. Again, just thinking about the

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.399
<v Speaker 1>staggering chunks of history we're dealing with. Think how much

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>our world has changed in um, you know, in in

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>three or four hundred years, right, Yeah, So like when

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about these innovations, we're saying, like hundreds of

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:20.919
<v Speaker 1>years went by before they started the innovations we're about

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.360
<v Speaker 1>to talk about in the twelfth century as twelfth dynasty.

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Actually sorry, not twelfth century. Yeah. So during this period,

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>you're seeing the heart left in place after the internal

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 1>organs were removed. Where I touched on some of that.

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 1>The lids of the canopic jars are decorated with the

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 1>heads of gods to protect the entrails. The body cavity

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:41.280
<v Speaker 1>is disinfected and stuffed with linen. More people were buried

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 1>in anthropoid coffins, so coffins that look like humans on

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the outside, that sort of classic sarcophagus appearance. Fingernails are

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>tied on to prevent them from just falling out. Wooden

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 1>or clay models act as servants, and also you see

0:34:57.280 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>rock tombs gaining popularity espect among the wealthier classes. So

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 1>all those things evolved over you know, the hundreds of

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 1>years between the Eleventh Dynasty and the Twelfth dynasty. It's fascinating,

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, what how long certain things take and then

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 1>how short some things take two to be adapted. And

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 1>like you're saying earlier, I guess it depends on who's

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>in power and what they what they kind of want, right, Yeah,

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 1>So then we eventually get into the New Kingdom era,

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 1>this is fifteen seventy through ten seventy BC, and this

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 1>is where we kind of see the peak, right, this

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 1>is where we see these sort of standard ideal models

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:42.279
<v Speaker 1>for mummification. Yeah. New Kingdom era is considered basically like

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 1>the most representative of mummification practice over the three thousand years,

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:50.280
<v Speaker 1>the Catillac of mumification exactly because these are the ones

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>that were the best preserved um. But again keep in mind,

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 1>like this was over three thousand years, so this is

0:35:56.640 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 1>not how necessarily the you know, the the Early Dynasty

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 1>mummies would be made. But this is the standard mummification

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 1>practice as we know it today from the New Kingdom era.

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 1>So we think, or at least Egyptologists think that these

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>rituals were performed in an area that's called the Red Land,

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:20.839
<v Speaker 1>which is this desert region that wasn't particularly heavily populated,

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 1>but was useful about it was that it had easy

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 1>access to the Nile River, so they could use that

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:28.319
<v Speaker 1>for washing the bodies. Uh, and they would take the

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>body to uh. It was called Ibou, the place of Purification,

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and this is where they do the body washing. It

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 1>symbolized a rebirth passing on from one world to the next.

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 1>And once they cleaned it, that's when they brought it

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:43.799
<v Speaker 1>to the next part, which is the per Neffer, and

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 1>that's called the house of beauty. You want to hit

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.400
<v Speaker 1>on that one, yes, So this is where we see

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 1>a major change take place in our preparation of mummies. Um.

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.320
<v Speaker 1>In order to extract the brain, a metal chisel or

0:36:56.400 --> 0:37:00.040
<v Speaker 1>hook is inserted or hammered up through the nostril. Of

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 1>these are dead parties, but just like and of course

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 1>you have to break the bone to get it up

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 1>through there, so there's like a crack, right uh, And

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 1>then essentially you drag and scoop it all out. Right. Yeah,

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:14.880
<v Speaker 1>they like they use these long spoons. I guess that

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 1>they would stick up through that cracked nostril and and

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.279
<v Speaker 1>just scoop the whole thing out. Essentially. The idea is

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 1>that they didn't know at the time what the brain

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>was for, so they assumed that we wouldn't need it.

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 1>It's probably something to tie to the sinuses, right exactly.

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh Well, like like you said earlier, the heart was

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>far more important. I have to say. This is one

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:36.359
<v Speaker 1>of the reasons I like the Mummy segment and the

0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 1>tales from the Dark Side movie because the Mummy and

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 1>that ultimately is not treated all that well. You know,

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>he's not particularly powerful, but he does get the drop

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:48.799
<v Speaker 1>on a human at one point and jab a code

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>hanger up his nose and pull his brain. So it's

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 1>one of the best mummy kills out there, that's not

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 1>just straight up strangulation. Well, I'm surprised that he didn't

0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>also uh punch them in the kidneys, because apparently they

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't think that the kidneys were very important either. They

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, like we talked about, they removed all the

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:12.720
<v Speaker 1>organs except for the kidneys because they just thought, well,

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:14.680
<v Speaker 1>we don't exactly know what these are for, the same

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 1>as the brain, but they scooped those out. But all

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 1>these organs were washed separately, coated and resin wrapped in

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 1>a linen strips. Then they're putting those canopic jars. Uh.

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:29.799
<v Speaker 1>And the jars were almost always situated in some way

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:34.719
<v Speaker 1>in the southeast corner of wherever the tomb was located. Um,

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:38.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's cosmological significance to that. Yeah, and they're yeah,

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>they're on hand, but they're also they're not right up

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 1>next to the body. And so after they do this,

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 1>they've got the you know, scoop out the brain, get

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.320
<v Speaker 1>out the lower organs. Then they cut open the bodies

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 1>diaphragm and remove the lungs. They keep the heart. Why

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>because the heart was considered the seed of the mind

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:56.400
<v Speaker 1>at the time, which I think is really interesting because

0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 1>like now in our modern culture, we think of the

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 1>brain as being the seat of the mind, and we

0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>we very much think of it as being located in

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>our head. Right. I wonder if there was a different

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of cultural thing of like the heart led forward,

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, lead the body forward. Uh, the posture was

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 1>better and yeah, possibly uh. And they rinsed out this

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.439
<v Speaker 1>empty cavity once you get all the organs out of there.

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Basically they wanted to purify it, so they used palm wine.

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if this is because of the bacteria like

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:29.880
<v Speaker 1>they thought the palm wine would maybe kill off the

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 1>bacteria that was in there, not that they wouldn't understand.

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's sweet smelling and it it is strong,

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:37.160
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, you can see where there might be some

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.799
<v Speaker 1>inkling of that. And then after they purified that, then

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 1>they would pack it in with incense and there you go,

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 1>maybe it is the smell because they put incense in

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 1>there and other kind of packing materials and filled it

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 1>back up so that you know, had appeared like it

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 1>was naturally full again. And then you're stitching it all

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 1>back together. You're closing in any incisions and just kind

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>of retiding the package, right. Yeah, and there's of course

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the the natron comes in here too, so you cover

0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>the entire body in this thick layer of natron from

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 1>head to toe, and you let it sit for thirty

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.799
<v Speaker 1>five to forty days um. And this is so that

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 1>the body just dries completely before it's mummified. Uh. And

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 1>in fact, like you know, it took so long, and

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 1>grave robbery and and if scavenging animals were so common

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 1>that they actually would set guards up outside of these

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:28.760
<v Speaker 1>embalming areas to make sure that the bodies weren't taken

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:31.960
<v Speaker 1>during this time. It's up to the family to get

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 1>all the linen for the mummifications. So they've got to

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:37.479
<v Speaker 1>come up with something like four thousand square feet worth

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.759
<v Speaker 1>of linen to bring to the embalmers. In fact, the

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 1>wealthy sometimes use materials. They were clothes that were on

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 1>sacred statues, so they would take these clothing off of

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 1>statues and use that instead for their their wealthy dead relatives.

0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Where Like if you were a lower class you just

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 1>got like old clothes, hand me downs or like household

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 1>linen's so I'm assuming it's just like dirty old rags

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 1>from around the house. They bring those down alright, So

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:08.319
<v Speaker 1>we're wrapping the body at this point. Bandaging takes a

0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 1>week or two um, and they start with the hands

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:15.279
<v Speaker 1>and the feet, individual fingers and toes, then limbs and

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 1>torso the head. They wrap it as a whole. The

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 1>they coated in more hot resin to glue everything back

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 1>in place, right because before this, like in order to

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:28.560
<v Speaker 1>keep everything in place, they basically plugged up every single

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:31.719
<v Speaker 1>orifice and pour with hot resin, right, and like so

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.360
<v Speaker 1>just you know, it's very easy to just say hot resin,

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:38.359
<v Speaker 1>but like my understanding, Like what resin is mainly used

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 1>for today is like sculpting, right, Like it's a material

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:43.960
<v Speaker 1>that you used to make like certain kinds of statues.

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.920
<v Speaker 1>So this isn't just like glue. This is like pretty

0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 1>heavy duty stuff that is uh coating, sticking everything together

0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 1>and plugging it all up. Yeah. Yeah, indeed, I often

0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 1>think of the money at this point. It's kind of

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 1>like a like a yogurt covered raisin, you know, just

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 1>really just seiling it all and um. And then you know,

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:05.880
<v Speaker 1>on top of that, you're adding additional decorations, right, perhaps

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:08.839
<v Speaker 1>a mask with you know, the likeness of of an

0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Egyptian god even yeah, yeah, depending on you know, I

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.800
<v Speaker 1>would assume the status of the person, right. The idea

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:18.240
<v Speaker 1>behind this was that the mask would help the person's

0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:21.560
<v Speaker 1>spirit find their body in the tombs, because there's so

0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 1>many other bodies. So you know, if you get the

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:28.560
<v Speaker 1>jackal mask, then you're the you know, you know, like

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:32.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm a big fan of jackal god. Anubis is

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 1>the jackal okay, so uh so then you can locate

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:41.719
<v Speaker 1>your haunted spirit, can locate your body to get back

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 1>in touch with it. Yeah, and and along those lines

0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 1>through its ambulance are thrown in to aid um. Arms

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:50.359
<v Speaker 1>were originally placed in the side, though that ends up

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:54.279
<v Speaker 1>being changed to the more you know, stereotypical crossing of

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the arms on the body, and uh yeah, then you

0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>essentially it's time to put that body in the coffin

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 1>and send it on its journey, right yeah. And so

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.799
<v Speaker 1>they called these coffins sue ht, which I had not

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 1>heard before researching this. I always just thought of them

0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:11.879
<v Speaker 1>as sarcophagus, as the sarcophag guy, I guess. But they

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 1>they've they've used these sue head coffins then brought it

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 1>to a tomb where priests would perform this ritual called

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:21.239
<v Speaker 1>the Ceremony of the Mouth. And the idea here was

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 1>that they were giving the five senses back to the

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.799
<v Speaker 1>dead in the afterlife by touching different sacred objects to

0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the face that was on the sue heat coffin, you know,

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:32.319
<v Speaker 1>because it's carved in the shape of a person, and

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 1>they seal everything up after that. So it's the body

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.360
<v Speaker 1>is sealed up, it's putting side a coffin, it's putting

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 1>side a tomb, and and you know, you get an

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:44.919
<v Speaker 1>idea for why there's so much I guess so many

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 1>layers to this, right, because of scavenging animals or like

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>as what we're gonna talk about later, grape robbery. Yes,

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 1>so you want you want some measure of security there.

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Now here's the cheaper version. Okay. So if you're not

0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>royalty and you're not upper class, this is what you get.

0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:04.360
<v Speaker 1>The embalmers inject your body with this oil mixture. It

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:05.920
<v Speaker 1>sounds to me like the same thing that we were

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:09.240
<v Speaker 1>talking about earlier with the resin goes inside the torso cavity.

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 1>So instead of taking all the organs out, you just

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 1>fill it up with this oil. They plug up all

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:16.000
<v Speaker 1>the orifices and they just let this oil sitting there

0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 1>for a few days, and then they this is my terminology,

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.760
<v Speaker 1>they popped the corks. They let all that oil flow

0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:25.320
<v Speaker 1>out of every orifice and it carries the liquefied internal

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:29.280
<v Speaker 1>organs with it and then the modification process. So apparently

0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 1>the like the expensive part was taking out the organs

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:35.279
<v Speaker 1>and wrapping those all individually. It sounds kind of grim,

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 1>but I guess if you do it every day, you

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:38.359
<v Speaker 1>get used to it. Like most things, right, yeah, I mean,

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I like, honestly from how I understand mortuary practice works today,

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.279
<v Speaker 1>it's probably not all that much more grim, you know,

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. So after this point again

0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:55.960
<v Speaker 1>it's it's reached its peak certainly by dynasty Um you

0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:59.760
<v Speaker 1>your mommified, you game this doll like appearance, and then um,

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.400
<v Speaker 1>the third intermediate in a late period that's ten seventy

0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:06.600
<v Speaker 1>to thirty b C. This is where we see, uh,

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the old ways are being abandoned and forgotten, decadent's inept embalming.

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 1>It's all leading to uh, less refined approaches. Yeah. So essentially,

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, as the culture changed, less attention was paid

0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:23.799
<v Speaker 1>to the body's condition condition, and uh, embalming just went

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:27.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot faster, and subsequently it was more inept. So

0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 1>by the time Greeks arrived in Egypt, and like somewhere

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:35.319
<v Speaker 1>between seven forty two and seven thirty BC, rapid decomposition

0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:39.400
<v Speaker 1>was happening again. There were either bodies were incompletely wrapped,

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 1>so you know, it wasn't the function of the of

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:46.319
<v Speaker 1>the form wasn't being met anymore. Uh, And then the

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Romans were by up until like three a d we're

0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 1>still using like narrow bandages, you know, wrapping bodies in them.

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:59.120
<v Speaker 1>But there wasn't anything as methodical as what we were

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 1>talking about in the like real you know, height of

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:05.319
<v Speaker 1>modification in Egypt. Alright, we're gonna take a quick break,

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 1>and when we come back, we're gonna talk about what

0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:10.800
<v Speaker 1>happens after these bodies are sent on their cosmic journey,

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 1>what happens when it's interrupted. All Right, we're back. So

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 1>here's one of the things about about mummies that, as

0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned earlier, Uh, they're invariably dug up, moved around, studied,

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:37.839
<v Speaker 1>taking apart, taking to museums across the world, and kind

0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:42.120
<v Speaker 1>of imprisoned in cultures completely alien to their own. And uh,

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.759
<v Speaker 1>and the thing is that the grave robbing was always

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:49.160
<v Speaker 1>a problem, like even from in the ancient days, because

0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 1>you'd have these bodies that were buried with some degree

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:55.839
<v Speaker 1>of valuables, and they're going to be people around who

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:57.560
<v Speaker 1>want to take advantage of that, to the point that

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:02.200
<v Speaker 1>that often the assistants of the builders themselves who are

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>building these tombs are the ones that are involved in

0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:07.759
<v Speaker 1>the theft. Yeah, it's like an inside job type thing,

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:10.799
<v Speaker 1>like they sort of either themselves were doing it or

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:13.960
<v Speaker 1>they were informing other I guess like bandits or something.

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 1>On unwhere to break in which tombs in particular held

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 1>the greatest amounts of wealth. Yeah. Rosso goes into some

0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 1>detail on this in her work that I mentioned earlier,

0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:24.879
<v Speaker 1>and Um as an example of this, who points out

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:29.319
<v Speaker 1>that during the Ramesses, the the elevenths reign, forty five

0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:32.760
<v Speaker 1>workmen in the royal and necropolis were arrested and portraited

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:36.560
<v Speaker 1>and after confessing, brought to trial and thirty eight of

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:40.080
<v Speaker 1>them were sentenced to death for grave robbing. Yeah. Um,

0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:42.320
<v Speaker 1>And there are various other accounts here. I don't know

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 1>if we want to go into too many of them,

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:49.840
<v Speaker 1>but but basically, when we look back at at the writings, uh,

0:47:49.880 --> 0:47:53.680
<v Speaker 1>there there are various rebellions that result in poor people

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 1>smashing open royal tombs. You you also see the tendency

0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.800
<v Speaker 1>later on for um individuals to engage in a cycle

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:03.880
<v Speaker 1>of grave robbing. So we're in some cases you have

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:06.200
<v Speaker 1>tombs that were looted and then used again for burial

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:09.359
<v Speaker 1>by new people, then looted again. So again, just think

0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 1>of those vast the vast period of time we're talking

0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 1>about here, and all the various upheavals and ins and

0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:17.399
<v Speaker 1>outs that are gonna occur and What this I think

0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:21.720
<v Speaker 1>says to me is that there were while this idea

0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 1>of making the dead comfortable and it being a sacred

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:29.480
<v Speaker 1>practice was practiced by some, there were certainly other people

0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 1>who were more interested in the material wealth of the living.

0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Of though, yeah, there of their current circumstances, and so

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.440
<v Speaker 1>that's why you had a lot of these break ins.

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:43.240
<v Speaker 1>But you know, this is what led to them moving

0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 1>bodies to hidden places or rewrapping them, restoring damage that

0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:50.880
<v Speaker 1>was done to them. There's all kinds of of mummification

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:54.279
<v Speaker 1>practices that came out of how prevalent the grave robbing was.

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:58.879
<v Speaker 1>And of course the worst grave robbers of all. Oh yes, well,

0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 1>of course uh came from became in the form of

0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:05.880
<v Speaker 1>colonial influences. Um. Yeah. The nineteenth century especially was the

0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:09.920
<v Speaker 1>time of just immense plundering by European treasure hunters, fueled

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:14.120
<v Speaker 1>by the genuine interest in Egyptology. I mean some of

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the individuals involved in this were, for instance, uh, William

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Flinders Petrie, Uh really the father of modern egyptology, but

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:24.840
<v Speaker 1>he deluded tons of artifacts. So you know, it's like

0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:27.719
<v Speaker 1>the two movements are are combined here and then back

0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:30.720
<v Speaker 1>at home in Europe, you have all of this interest

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:34.360
<v Speaker 1>in anything Oriental. So so that's fueling the need for

0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:37.360
<v Speaker 1>this since one of the reasons you find again Egyptian

0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:39.680
<v Speaker 1>obilists in New York and lined it in Paris, and

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:42.439
<v Speaker 1>you find all these cultural treasures to spread across inter

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 1>national museums. And at the same time you have egypt

0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:53.160
<v Speaker 1>modernizing ruler Muhammad Ali, who was actually an Ottoman Albanian

0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:56.759
<v Speaker 1>um and he created a dynasty that ruled until the

0:49:56.840 --> 0:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty two revolution, and he was all too willing

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:04.880
<v Speaker 1>to give up these various artifacts in order to ingratiate

0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 1>himself to these imperial and colonial powers. Just like imagine that,

0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:12.560
<v Speaker 1>like uh uh like some we're in the middle of

0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:15.319
<v Speaker 1>a presidential psych all right. Now, let's say let's say

0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump gets elected and Donald Trump says, you know what, like,

0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:24.319
<v Speaker 1>I think it's okay if all of Europe and uh,

0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:26.879
<v Speaker 1>let's let's let Asia have them too. They can dig

0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:29.040
<v Speaker 1>up all of our graves, of all of our loved

0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:30.920
<v Speaker 1>ones and just take their bodies and put them in

0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:35.359
<v Speaker 1>museums or or traveling side shows you guys cool, that

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:37.160
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter if you're cool, that we're going to

0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:39.960
<v Speaker 1>do it. Yeah, yeah, And the thing is too that

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:43.279
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned that revolution, it wasn't ntil around. It wasn't

0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:46.400
<v Speaker 1>until around that period of the Egyptian government began to

0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 1>actually restrict treasure hunters, limiting on them only to only

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:53.120
<v Speaker 1>fifty of the artifacts that they found. And it wasn't

0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:56.440
<v Speaker 1>until the late nineteen eighties that that Egypt really cracked

0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:59.279
<v Speaker 1>down on this sort of behavior in a very meaningful way.

0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:01.920
<v Speaker 1>So I guess this is something to think about the

0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:04.520
<v Speaker 1>next time we're at the museum and we're looking at

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:06.759
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, and there's one part of me that's like,

0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm really glad that this is here and we have

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:11.840
<v Speaker 1>access to it and we're able to sort of see

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:14.719
<v Speaker 1>the history here right in this location, and there's another

0:51:14.760 --> 0:51:18.040
<v Speaker 1>part of me that feels guilty about it and thinks, well,

0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:21.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe the stuff should be back at home

0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:24.520
<v Speaker 1>where it was initially intended to be. Um. If you

0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:27.120
<v Speaker 1>want to go see it, go to Egypt. Yeah, And

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's definite. There's definitely been a movement in

0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 1>over the past a few decades to see about the

0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:36.920
<v Speaker 1>return of these objects, and it's just kind of an

0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.840
<v Speaker 1>ongoing issue. UM. And this is where, like we were

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:43.080
<v Speaker 1>talking about earlier that pop culture guilt comes from and

0:51:43.120 --> 0:51:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the curse of the Mummy, right, that the mummy is

0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:47.080
<v Speaker 1>going to come out and kill everybody who is responsible

0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:50.840
<v Speaker 1>for bringing its body away from its origin site. Yeah,

0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:53.839
<v Speaker 1>and and there's certainly some individuals out there who who

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.960
<v Speaker 1>deserve a little wrap. And the thing is, it's one

0:51:57.000 --> 0:51:59.760
<v Speaker 1>thing to look at, you know, Egyptologists who are running

0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:02.920
<v Speaker 1>off with the with this stuff. But then from the

0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:05.799
<v Speaker 1>from the twelfth century b c. Onwards, so again for

0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:08.640
<v Speaker 1>a pretty long period of time, you see a lot

0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:12.480
<v Speaker 1>of mistreatment of of mummies in the Middle East and

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 1>especially in Europe. And so this is not just people saying, oh,

0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:17.800
<v Speaker 1>this is cool, I want to study this, or I

0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.400
<v Speaker 1>want to take this bit of art attached to it

0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 1>and display it somewhere. You see preserve corpses destroyed for

0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:27.600
<v Speaker 1>mere sport um. You also see them used as kindling

0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:32.200
<v Speaker 1>for fire, and most shocking of all, uh and rather

0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:36.400
<v Speaker 1>morbidly entertainingly of all, uh, thousands of mummies end up

0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:41.040
<v Speaker 1>perishing in apothecaries corpse grinders for use in medicine. Right,

0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 1>So I mean all of these things kind of show

0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:48.280
<v Speaker 1>you where the cultures, priorities headed, where they where they changed. Yeah. Yeah,

0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 1>And the weird thing about this is that you have

0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:56.480
<v Speaker 1>uh from the twelfth to the seventeenth centuries Europeans who

0:52:56.520 --> 0:53:01.839
<v Speaker 1>are engaging in medicinal cannibalism through then assumption of of

0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 1>medicines derived from mummy powder. This is like we we

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:08.400
<v Speaker 1>we just did an episode on wolf Spain. This is

0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:12.040
<v Speaker 1>like yet another like kind of classic monster from the

0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:16.920
<v Speaker 1>universal era that uh is medicinal in origin somehow. Yeah,

0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:21.280
<v Speaker 1>though ultimately as UH, as I'll explain um, completely useless.

0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:23.759
<v Speaker 1>They used they used it supposedly to treat and thinking

0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:26.360
<v Speaker 1>they were treating everything from headache, headaches to a rectile

0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:29.839
<v Speaker 1>dysfunction and stomach ulcers and tumors. So they drank it

0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:34.080
<v Speaker 1>in tinctures, they mixed it into salves. Uh I I

0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:36.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe they might have even used it into

0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:38.600
<v Speaker 1>positories for all I know. But but yeah, they're they're

0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:44.439
<v Speaker 1>they're in taking they're consuming this powder and it all

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:49.719
<v Speaker 1>hinges on bitumen, the world's first petroleum product. Really, it's

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:53.239
<v Speaker 1>a sticky, black, viscous substance. You probably know it better

0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:56.240
<v Speaker 1>is asphalt. But it was highly prized in the ancient

0:53:56.239 --> 0:53:59.280
<v Speaker 1>world and for the longest it was primarily a Mesopotamian monopoly.

0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:04.000
<v Speaker 1>The substance saw use in various endeavors, including boat calking,

0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:08.040
<v Speaker 1>art causa cosmetics, but physicians in the region eventually used

0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:10.719
<v Speaker 1>it to treat a number of ailments and um and

0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.759
<v Speaker 1>word of these ailments eventually spread to Europe. But how

0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:16.080
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna obtain this stuff if you don't have access

0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:20.520
<v Speaker 1>to Mesopotamian bitamin deposits? Well, word had it at the

0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:24.080
<v Speaker 1>time that the ancient Egyptians used bitumen as a preservative

0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:26.399
<v Speaker 1>in their mummies. And you're probably thinking, well, I don't

0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:30.719
<v Speaker 1>remember you guys mentioning vitamin earlier. There's a reason, um.

0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:33.480
<v Speaker 1>But it ends up becoming so pervasive that even the

0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:37.720
<v Speaker 1>word mummy comes from the Persian word for wax movia

0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:41.800
<v Speaker 1>used to describe bitumin. Yet, while the Egyptians used bitumen

0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:48.240
<v Speaker 1>occasionally for from from about UH eleven hundred CE onward,

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.960
<v Speaker 1>they largely used resins in the oils in their in

0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:55.040
<v Speaker 1>their mortuary practices. But the Europeans didn't know this. Uh

0:54:55.160 --> 0:55:00.160
<v Speaker 1>So their movia based medicines contained equal parts magic, goal

0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:03.520
<v Speaker 1>thinking and placebo effect. The treatments seemed to work, so

0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:07.440
<v Speaker 1>they just continued grinding up the corpses, and when mummies

0:55:07.440 --> 0:55:11.799
<v Speaker 1>were scarce, contemporary cadavers were actually dried and pulverized to

0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 1>produce an imitation product that you could sell off, and

0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 1>it just keeps going to practice doesn't fall away until

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:21.959
<v Speaker 1>the eighteenth century, and actual vitamin still sees limited use

0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:25.239
<v Speaker 1>in modern Iran as a skin treatment. But again that's

0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:28.319
<v Speaker 1>actual bitumin and not this this ground up mummies, which

0:55:28.400 --> 0:55:30.719
<v Speaker 1>obtained probably none of it. So, like to put it

0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:33.520
<v Speaker 1>in perspective, you know, we're looking back on the practice

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:36.200
<v Speaker 1>of mummification during Egyptian times and going, oh, that's kind

0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:39.239
<v Speaker 1>of alien and weird, and we're fascinated with it, and

0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:42.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, human history changes over time. And yet like

0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:47.920
<v Speaker 1>not two centuries ago, we were grinding up those bodies

0:55:48.560 --> 0:55:52.879
<v Speaker 1>essentially so that we could digest asphalt because we thought

0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:55.160
<v Speaker 1>that that was going to be healthy for us. Yeah,

0:55:55.160 --> 0:55:59.000
<v Speaker 1>ground up mummies was essentially the pumpkin spice latte to day. Yeah.

0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:02.520
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, like we're not all that much more

0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:04.480
<v Speaker 1>advanced than we like to think we are. You know,

0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure like there's gonna be things from from modern

0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:10.640
<v Speaker 1>time today that a couple hundred years from now people

0:56:10.640 --> 0:56:12.080
<v Speaker 1>are going to look back and be like, I can't

0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:15.960
<v Speaker 1>believe that they thought like, uh, but like ginko or something,

0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:19.839
<v Speaker 1>and who knows what not that I'm denigrating the use

0:56:19.840 --> 0:56:22.960
<v Speaker 1>of ginko. I certainly have had more than one drink

0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:24.439
<v Speaker 1>with that in it, but you know what I mean,

0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:27.279
<v Speaker 1>like start adding it to beers I think, right, or

0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:31.080
<v Speaker 1>or or other kind of supplements. And then eventually society goes,

0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 1>what are we doing? What were we doing? What was

0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 1>that ginko thing about? Why were we so crazy about

0:56:36.080 --> 0:56:42.440
<v Speaker 1>about palm like kale someone mbucha? But of course, uh,

0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:45.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, the whole eating of mummies, essentially, the medicinal

0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:50.000
<v Speaker 1>cannibalism of mummies is one thing. Um, just just the curiosity,

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:54.120
<v Speaker 1>just the the exploration. Uh. And and the the rise

0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:58.520
<v Speaker 1>of Egyptology saw you know, all sorts of early unwrappings,

0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:02.160
<v Speaker 1>unwrapping parties, you know, up artifacts that are destroyed. And

0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:04.759
<v Speaker 1>on top of this, there's a you know, there's a boom,

0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:08.040
<v Speaker 1>there's a demand for artifacts. So you have, uh, you

0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:10.600
<v Speaker 1>have local dealers in Egypt that are breaking up artifacts

0:57:10.600 --> 0:57:13.840
<v Speaker 1>into multiple parts. They're placing a mummy from one time

0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:16.760
<v Speaker 1>period in an unrelated casket from another and then they're

0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:20.360
<v Speaker 1>selling that, so it becomes you're destroying the artifacts to

0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:22.680
<v Speaker 1>learn about them, but then also the market for them

0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:24.520
<v Speaker 1>is making it harder to study them because of the

0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:27.240
<v Speaker 1>stuff that's mismatched. You know, this is a lot like

0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:31.160
<v Speaker 1>palam cests. When we talked about palam sests earlier, Like

0:57:31.200 --> 0:57:33.840
<v Speaker 1>when they first started examining those, they're pouring acid on

0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:36.000
<v Speaker 1>it and scraping them with knives and things like that,

0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:39.800
<v Speaker 1>and now they're using you know, technology to preserve them

0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:41.960
<v Speaker 1>but also examine them. It sounds like that's kind of

0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:46.040
<v Speaker 1>the same history of dissecting mummies. I suppose, yeah exactly.

0:57:46.080 --> 0:57:48.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you open an ancient text and you risk

0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:51.240
<v Speaker 1>the pages disintegrating it. Same thing happens when you unwrap

0:57:51.240 --> 0:57:53.160
<v Speaker 1>a mumm. You're exposing stuff to air that haven't been

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:55.640
<v Speaker 1>exposed in in in thousands of years, and you can

0:57:55.640 --> 0:58:00.440
<v Speaker 1>just crumble. Fortunately, today we have a number of techniques

0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:04.080
<v Speaker 1>that allow us to take apart the mummy without actually

0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:09.000
<v Speaker 1>taking it apart right, various radiographic techniques that that enable

0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:13.480
<v Speaker 1>non destructive studies of these mummified remains. Interestingly enough, the

0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:16.760
<v Speaker 1>pioneer on some of these was uh was Flinders Petrie

0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 1>in eight who again was involved in a lot of

0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:24.120
<v Speaker 1>some of the more destructive aspects of Egyptology at the time,

0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:26.880
<v Speaker 1>but you know he and to his credit, he also

0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:29.520
<v Speaker 1>helped pave the way for UH some of the tools

0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:33.360
<v Speaker 1>we have today, such as X rays, endoscopic techniques UM,

0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:36.080
<v Speaker 1>which I think the Egyptians would have appreciated based on

0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:40.520
<v Speaker 1>their their interests UM as well as you know the

0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:45.320
<v Speaker 1>use of stable isotopes, trace metals, DNA, carbon dating, uh

0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:48.400
<v Speaker 1>CT scanning is is very interesting. So this is where

0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:52.840
<v Speaker 1>you use X ray computed tomography. This is a computer

0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:56.000
<v Speaker 1>combines multiple X rays from different angles and creates a

0:58:56.000 --> 0:59:01.560
<v Speaker 1>cross section and he's sort of like a three D scanner. Yeah,

0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:03.760
<v Speaker 1>you can you create this this three D cross section

0:59:03.840 --> 0:59:07.160
<v Speaker 1>of the body. And this has been used to to

0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:10.640
<v Speaker 1>make a number of different discoveries about existing and newly

0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:13.520
<v Speaker 1>discovered mummies. But one example that I love is a

0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:16.480
<v Speaker 1>This is a two thousand twelve study where they used

0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:20.720
<v Speaker 1>a CT to scan a year old female money and

0:59:20.760 --> 0:59:24.280
<v Speaker 1>they were revealed a tubular object embedded in its skull

0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:29.640
<v Speaker 1>between the brains, left parietal bone at and the resin

0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:32.680
<v Speaker 1>filled back of the skull. And it turned out that

0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:35.480
<v Speaker 1>it was a tool used for the removal of the brain.

0:59:35.560 --> 0:59:38.120
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't an iron hook as we mentioned earlier

0:59:38.120 --> 0:59:40.440
<v Speaker 1>and as Herodotus wrote about, but it was just a

0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:44.480
<v Speaker 1>wooden stick. So this was this was an economics version

0:59:44.840 --> 0:59:49.040
<v Speaker 1>of the mummification process. It just got accidentally left it there. Yeah.

0:59:49.080 --> 0:59:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I guess they realized occasionally you're just gonna lose it

0:59:51.680 --> 0:59:53.919
<v Speaker 1>too off there, and you could you could dig it out,

0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:56.240
<v Speaker 1>but you might as well leave it because who's the

0:59:56.280 --> 0:59:59.000
<v Speaker 1>mommy going to come back? And right, yeah, yeah, exactly. Well,

0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:02.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, again thinking about the comfort of these mummies.

1:00:02.360 --> 1:00:04.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, they wake up and they've they've got wooden

1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:09.680
<v Speaker 1>tools shoved up their nose, their brains gone. That's would

1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:13.840
<v Speaker 1>I wager it wouldn't be all that comfortable. Hence the

1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:17.760
<v Speaker 1>mythos of the mummies coming back angry. And you know, finally,

1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:20.040
<v Speaker 1>one of another great thing to come out of this

1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:23.800
<v Speaker 1>is despite all of the destruction of the artifacts, destruction

1:00:23.840 --> 1:00:26.520
<v Speaker 1>destruction of mummies over the years, the pilfering of the

1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:32.200
<v Speaker 1>tombs um, we continue to unearthed mummies um mummies. Uh

1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:36.600
<v Speaker 1>that that early Egyptologists, ancient grave robbers in Victorian ghoules

1:00:36.640 --> 1:00:39.160
<v Speaker 1>haven't had a chance to pilfer. Just one example is

1:00:39.160 --> 1:00:43.440
<v Speaker 1>the Valley of the Golden Mummies discovered in nine see

1:00:44.160 --> 1:00:46.960
<v Speaker 1>by an Egyptian archaeology team. They on earth two hundred

1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:51.280
<v Speaker 1>and fifty mummies and they estimate another ten thousand. So again,

1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:54.840
<v Speaker 1>you just have a practice of mummifying the dead for

1:00:55.040 --> 1:00:58.760
<v Speaker 1>thousands of years, You're gonna amass a lot of specimens. Sure,

1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that there's plenty of mummies to go around

1:01:01.400 --> 1:01:03.200
<v Speaker 1>for this kind of thing. I guess the question really

1:01:03.320 --> 1:01:05.280
<v Speaker 1>is like whether or not we should be removing them,

1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:07.560
<v Speaker 1>or if we're removing them, should we be removing them

1:01:07.600 --> 1:01:13.200
<v Speaker 1>from Egypt? You know, maybe maybe they maybe preserve the

1:01:13.560 --> 1:01:16.200
<v Speaker 1>traditions in some way, but also make them available for

1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the public. Yeah, it seems like it's been it's been

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<v Speaker 1>kind of enough of a stuff step for us, a

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<v Speaker 1>big enough step for us to to not just pill

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<v Speaker 1>for a culture's heritage. But then at what point do

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<v Speaker 1>we also have to say, how do you how do

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<v Speaker 1>you treat the ancient dead? Should the ancient dead be

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<v Speaker 1>treated more respectfully than we're doing now? To what extent

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<v Speaker 1>is that being done already? Uh? In in modern archaeological

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<v Speaker 1>surveys of ancient tunes. Well, I'd be curious to hear

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<v Speaker 1>from uh, you know, our listeners out there that are

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<v Speaker 1>involved in UM, you know, archaeology or or other disciplines

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<v Speaker 1>that are connected to this UM. You know, what are

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<v Speaker 1>the modern practices or what's what's the Surely there have

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<v Speaker 1>to be journal articles about the ethics on this. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And and as that turned into some kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>debate within the community, Yeah that that that could be

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<v Speaker 1>an entire episode onto itself, right, Yeah, definitely. Well, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>about either something that's purely cosmological in nature or something

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