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Speaker 1: The One Bill's Live presented by Kaleida Health. All right,

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Speaker 1: we're back in our home environs here at One Bill's Drive.

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. We are not a

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Speaker 1: training camp today because it is an off day for

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Speaker 1: the players. They'll be back on the practice field tomorrow

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Speaker 1: and we will be back out there. Off day for

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Speaker 1: the players. But we press on Steve.

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Speaker 2: And what you know, thank you for the air conditioning.

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Speaker 2: It is. It has been so smoking hot. One O

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Speaker 2: one in five seconds.

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Speaker 1: It took one minute and five seconds received.

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Speaker 2: It is it is. It is dangerously hot in Rochester.

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Speaker 2: I mean danger You got guys going on, You got

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Speaker 2: like Alec Anderson in the hospital. I mean it is

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Speaker 2: dangerous hot over there. They need a day off. I'm

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Speaker 2: not one of that old guys. Two hours. It's dangerous.

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Speaker 2: But it's good to be back here in the studio

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Speaker 2: where it's climate controlled.

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Speaker 1: It is climate controlled. It's quite lovely. Like we're not

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Speaker 1: sticking to ourselves like.

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Speaker 2: We did we were. It is like the old days

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Speaker 2: to where we come in as the Sabers Live guys

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Speaker 2: are taking on. We got a chance to say hi

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Speaker 2: to Marty in person for once, you know, and Dan

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Speaker 2: Dan the voice of the Sabers and the voice of

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Speaker 2: the Bills in one spot. That's a security risk that

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Speaker 2: shouldn't happens, like the vice president of the president on

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Speaker 2: the same day. You can't be in the same spot

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Speaker 2: at the same thinks, same place at the same time,

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Speaker 2: or you know, it's a security risk in case something happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when he and I communicate with each other via phone,

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Speaker 1: we almost never text each other. We usually go through

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Speaker 1: our Twitter handles. That's our back channeling communication where we're

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Speaker 1: usually talking about Van Hallen or something else, nothing about sports,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of funny. In any event, the Bills

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Speaker 1: had another roster transaction and this is not a repeat,

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Speaker 1: but it is at the position. For the second time

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Speaker 1: in as many days, the Bills have added a free

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Speaker 1: agent safety to their roster. A day after signing free

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Speaker 1: agent veteran Kareem Jackson, the Bills have signed four year

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Speaker 1: veteran Terrell Burgess to a one year contract. The signing

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Speaker 1: comes a day after rookie safety Cole Bishop left practice

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Speaker 1: early on Tuesday with an injury. No details on the

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Speaker 1: timetable for that injury as if yet, but clearly he's

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Speaker 1: going to miss some tide if they felt it necessary

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Speaker 1: to add Burgess to the roster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not good for Cold Bishop and Bill's fans

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Speaker 2: are going to be sick over it because you know,

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Speaker 2: he had big hopes for the guy. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying the seasons over anything, but.

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Speaker 1: It's obvious it's gonna be a little time.

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna He's not gonna just shake this off.

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Speaker 2: So Cold Bishop's gonna miss some time, as is Mike Edwards.

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Speaker 2: We need that with a bad hand. He was Mike

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Speaker 2: Cadhams streak this week and I saw Mike walking around.

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Speaker 2: He was limping. Uh so he.

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Speaker 1: Was he's kind of pulling that leg around.

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Speaker 2: So it's not good for the Bills at safety. Not

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Speaker 2: that the guys weren't playing well, they're now they're not

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Speaker 2: playing at all now. Bishop and Mike Edwards are both

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Speaker 2: out still. As as Brownie said, don't know exactly what

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Speaker 2: Bishop's deal is. It looked like it was in his

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Speaker 2: back yesterday and all that, and then we saw his

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Speaker 2: his arm is you know whatever, So we'll find out.

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Speaker 1: It's probably tomorrow, really update on his status for those

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Speaker 1: that want to know a little bit more about Burgess.

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Speaker 1: As we said, four year veteran, former third round pick

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Speaker 1: has never been a full time starter in his career.

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Speaker 1: He's been mainly a backup. But he and Kareem Jackson

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Speaker 1: suddenly will be needed here and they're going to have

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Speaker 1: to be quick on the uptake. We had Brandon Bean

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Speaker 1: that Kareem Jackson might be ready to start practicing next

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Speaker 2: He's not taking any reps in team or even seven

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Speaker 2: You know, he's starting from scrip and so is Burgess,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Burgess a University of Utah grad, much like Cole

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Speaker 1: to make room for Burgess on the roster, the Bills

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Speaker 1: released rookie punter Jack Browning, who was just holding for

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Speaker 1: Tyler Bass yesterday in practice. Sam Martin, the Bills punt

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Speaker 1: then they rotated Browning and as the holder yesterday. But

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Speaker 1: steam ahead at the punter position. So that's kind of

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Speaker 1: the lowdown on that. Burgess will wear jersey number thirty

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Speaker 1: five in case you didn't see it yesterday. Kareem Jackson

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Speaker 1: will wear jersey number twenty seven, So adjust your rosters accordingly.

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Speaker 1: We should go around the NFL at this point in time,

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Speaker 1: since there is news and notes there around the NFL,

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Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Health, the official healthcare system of the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills and Steve I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: The NFL announced today that Sony is the league's official

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Speaker 1: technology partner and its first major innovation for the game

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Speaker 1: could eliminate the chain gang. Sony has expanded its sports

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Speaker 1: technology through Hawkeye innovations to support officiating and the development

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Speaker 1: of on field and sideline technologies, including a new coaches

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Speaker 1: sideline headset that's going to debut next year. Interesting to

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Speaker 1: see what that is, but the Associated Press is reporting

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Speaker 1: that the NFL will test Sony's Hawkeye technology for measuring

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Speaker 1: first downs during some, not all, preseason games. The NFL

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Speaker 1: is believed to be moving closer to replacing the traditional

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Speaker 1: The electronic system could be fully implemented next season, although

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Speaker 1: it could potentially happen even sooner playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, maybe maybe I want to see it. I

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Speaker 1: I am so excited about this.

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Speaker 2: I want to see it. I don't know how they're

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Speaker 2: gonna do it because I want to see it in action. Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how they're going to implement. Okay, I

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Speaker 2: get it. You know they're gonna have cameras and they're

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Speaker 1: So I believe it's Jeff Brandley, the NFL Senior Vice

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Speaker 1: president and Chief Information Officers said, quote, we're in the

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Speaker 1: installation phase for all of our stadiums, really getting them

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Speaker 1: calibrated and up to date. We're just really getting to

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Speaker 1: and really calibrating across our multiple stadiums. Having multiple stadiums

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Speaker 1: So they're really just going through the installation of putting

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Speaker 1: Cameras seeing eye. Just like my whole idea with the

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Speaker 2: You know for your.

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Speaker 1: Garage door opener. You have them on each sideline running

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Speaker 2: Ronnie, I love you, but that's dumb. That ain't gonna work.

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Speaker 2: This camera thing. You're gonna have to see the ball.

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Speaker 2: That's what it's hard. You're gonna see the ball the chip.

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Speaker 2: What if the chip's at one end, the ball's over

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Speaker 2: at the other end. There's your problem, right, ball is

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Speaker 2: the entire chip? Well, you said there's a chip in

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Speaker 2: the ball. The ball is not a chip. How are

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Speaker 2: they gonna do that?

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Speaker 1: They build a chip the size of the football.

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Speaker 2: No, No, they can digitally.

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Speaker 1: Map the ball. They can digitally map the ball, the

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Speaker 1: entire ball, and then from a chip. Oh, they can

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Speaker 1: do anything nowadays.

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Speaker 2: They can do anything. They can do anything. Now, just

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Speaker 2: don't ask you to explain it exactly right. Now, here's

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Speaker 2: the thing, So the guy gets it, it's close. What's

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Speaker 2: have to sit there and wait for some rummy up

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Speaker 2: got three more angles to look at to see if

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Speaker 2: he made the first down. Meanwhile, we're out there five

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think it's going to be an

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Speaker 1: issue because look, look at tennis. They've had that electronic cartoon.

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Speaker 2: That's the biggest boondoggle ever. It's a cartoon. They could

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Speaker 2: put whatever they want up there. It's a cartoon.

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Speaker 1: You're calling the technology.

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Speaker 2: You've seen the graphic when they put the ball and

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Speaker 1: It's just a representation, yeah, based on what the based

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Speaker 1: on electronic analysis has told him. Bro, No, the same

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Speaker 2: No, it's they got a camera right there. You can

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Speaker 2: look at it and see. You don't need a cartoon.

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Speaker 2: Graphic graphics are like made up. They're not real. That

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Speaker 2: that tennis thing I've always laughed at that.

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Speaker 1: You come laughed at it.

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Speaker 2: Come on, that's a representation of what happened. That's not

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Speaker 1: Well right, but it's based on technology that can accurately

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Speaker 1: map the court. Let me just end the ball.

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Speaker 2: Just put what for lack of what else? Do you put

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Speaker 2: me over in the doubters Okay, I'm over in the

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Speaker 1: So you're not excited about this.

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Speaker 2: I like being in the douter section for a minute,

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Speaker 2: So I can, I can.

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Speaker 1: You'd rather you'd rather measure first downs with two sticks

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Speaker 1: in a chain?

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Speaker 2: They do that like once a game, Yeah, because.

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Speaker 1: They know how inaccurate it is, and instead they just

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Speaker 2: Ain't that hard? It's not We're I'm talking split in

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Speaker 2: a one hundred yard field. Come on, it's not that hard.

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Speaker 1: Let me just point out the technology issues. Very easily

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Speaker 2: Let me point this out to you. This probably thing

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Speaker 2: is gonna This thing's probably gonna work because in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty when it's COVID and everybody's like eh, and they

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Speaker 2: didn't want to handle the They didn't want this chain

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Speaker 2: would get COVID from this. It's so crazy now, So

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Speaker 2: they didn't want to do that. So you remember what

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Speaker 2: they did. The leap measure quietly said, listen, just keep

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Speaker 2: the ball on the on the yard stripes is there's

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Speaker 2: no in between thirty there's no in between. It's either

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Speaker 2: they got it and they got and head coaches shut up.

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Speaker 2: If they get it, they get it, let's move on

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Speaker 2: and nobody squawked. Now you're going to open up a

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Speaker 2: He was they said, he were. They call it roaming.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're worried he's improperly influenced by a player measure

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Speaker 2: But that you the fewer people on the sidelines the better.

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Speaker 2: See. Yes, but the the chain gang man, come on

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Speaker 2: be a sad day. Well, college will still have it,

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Speaker 2: This isn't a dollar ten we're talking about it. No,

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Speaker 2: I know. This isn't like dollar store. Thing you go.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, it's this is Louis Vaton kind of wow.

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Speaker 2: is that a good name?

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Speaker 1: The rights to be the official technology partner. There's a

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Speaker 1: little there's a little bit of barker going on there.

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Speaker 1: What we think a little bartering going on, maybe just

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Speaker 2: Gotta sweet where else are gonna use that technology? Where else?

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Speaker 2: Right? So now they're gonna be the technology part. They'll

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Speaker 2: trade it out for that too. Come on, it's a

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Speaker 2: boon doggle. And I know a boon doggle when I

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Speaker 1: Boon dogs such a negative.

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Speaker 2: This is a total boon doggle. Come on, it's gonna work.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna spend We're gonna love it. They're gonna spend

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Speaker 2: it's not a big it's not that big a deal.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm kind of excited about two because I want

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Speaker 1: Waste waste of money. Technology.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the technolo, I get the technology, Why

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Speaker 1: I mean I want to know where it's something. I

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Speaker 2: Probably what they'll do is put it in the home

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I like that.

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Speaker 2: You know, we need a place right at center, right

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Speaker 1: They'm no, I mean you can't really. I'm assuming you

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Speaker 1: And they're talking about the stadium the cameras figure different

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the first thing about this system, but

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Speaker 2: Is it a camera that runs on a cable like

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Speaker 1: Innovations development of on field and sideline technologies, So it

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Speaker 2: Are they going to put cameras in every yard marker

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Speaker 1: No, huh, No, I think that they're gonna have something

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Speaker 1: But now you're talking one hundred cameras or one hundred

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Speaker 2: Like three or four hundred, it'd be at every hash mark.

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Speaker 2: The sideline, on the field, on the sidelines, every place

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Speaker 1: I got to believe they're gonna have some kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they're with their language in the in the

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Speaker 1: So that's why I'm wondering, to me, location of the

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Speaker 2: What if the chip actually shifted in one of the

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Speaker 2: they get a first down mark and the balls out

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Speaker 1: Steve, trust me when I tell you there are far

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Speaker 1: smarter people handling this than you were being.

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Speaker 2: That's a low bar for us, well for me, That's

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Right while your problem is is a worthwhile one to.

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Speaker 2: Bring up guy who made my lunch.

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Speaker 1: Something's telling me if you thought of it, they have already.

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Speaker 2: I haven't really put that. As you can tell, I

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Speaker 1: Didn't put much thought until about eleven Ford.

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Speaker 2: That's right. I'm feeling a little I'm feeling a little

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of liking this today. I'm like doubt for

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Speaker 2: this maybe the first time in Mane. Yeah, I'm feeling

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Speaker 2: to get.

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Speaker 1: That guy his job back.

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Speaker 2: The last thing I do. I'm feeling so good about

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Speaker 1: Hawkeye Schmockye, it's a boondoggle.

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Speaker 2: Once you it's a conspiracy, put in back it. Once

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Speaker 2: you take the humanity out of it, you're lost. You've

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Speaker 2: lost your soul. He goes, You can't tell me that

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Speaker 2: that two guys holding poles with a chain between them

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Speaker 2: that are thirty pounds overweight and their and in their

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Speaker 2: piece of technology.

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Speaker 1: That was an excellent description. Oh man, boon doggle. All Right,

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Speaker 1: we'll put it on the whiteboard. We'll see how it

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Speaker 1: pans out with Hawkeye technology by Sony, and if Steve

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happened.

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Speaker 2: I know you're gonna get complaints, because if nobody complains,

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Speaker 2: I will I'll find something.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think you already are I am.

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Speaker 2: I am vehemently against this. I am so filled with doubt.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, we'll see, we'll see what comes of it.

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Speaker 1: We'll know definitely by this time next year for sure, how.

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Speaker 2: It probably say it's working perfectly the preseason, let's go,

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Speaker 2: regular season kickoff, let's go.

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Speaker 1: It's detecting the distance of the football to the tenth

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable, unbelievable. Another if if that happens, if I find out,

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Speaker 2: if if I could, I would go down there and

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Speaker 2: watch them installing in ar in this stadium. I'd go

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Speaker 2: down and watch it, hold on, just to see what's

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Speaker 1: So the person who resolutely doubts the system is now

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Speaker 1: interested in witnessing the installation of said system.

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Speaker 2: And heckling the installers. You don't know what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Can't do that? What are you doing? You can't put that?

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Speaker 2: You put the.

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Speaker 1: Battery in backwards? Positive is on the left.

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Speaker 2: It's never gonna work. You're doing this is all for nothing.

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Speaker 2: You know they're gonna you're gonna rip this stuff out

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Speaker 1: Well that's the other thing, because you know they're gonna

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Speaker 2: It's an incredible waste of money. Let's not do it, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, I think we've talked enough about all right, the

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Speaker 1: Hawkeye innovation.

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Speaker 2: Let's let we have not spoken our last about Hawkey.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure we haven't. I'm pretty confident about that.

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Speaker 1: Another wide receiver successful then got paid big money. DJ

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Speaker 1: Moore signed a four year, one hundred and ten million

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Speaker 1: dollar extension which includes eighty two point six million garrong

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Speaker 2: Right, So I'll say this, So if you believe DJ

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Speaker 1: But here's why I say the Bears did something smart.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's why DJ Moore will be all tied up

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Speaker 2: They got a number one guy sewn up and he's

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Speaker 1: one alpha dog receivers go, he's getting paid on the

439
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Speaker 1: low end to that top tier at twenty seven and

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Speaker 1: a half. By the time I mon ros Saint Brown

441
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Speaker 1: got thirty point two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll say this too, he got eighty eighty

443
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Speaker 2: two point six.

444
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: Guarantee point two guarantee.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, eighty two point six guarantee. That's hey, come

446
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: on yet, if you're DJ Moore, Yeah, yeah, that's you. Now,

447
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: all you have to do this play eight.

448
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Speaker 1: That's almost eighty percent guaranteed.

449
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the difference. He'll you'll you can have

450
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Speaker 2: your thirty million a year for five years, if only

451
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Speaker 2: sixty million of it's guaranteed. Give me the eighty two

452
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Speaker 2: million guaranteed over six years and I'm and I'll play

453
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Speaker 2: hard for you. That's that's, you know, smart move for him.

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Speaker 2: Uh and if it if he plays well, it's a

455
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Speaker 2: good move for the Bears because of the situation with

456
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams and a Dunza Roma Dunza. Smart move for

457
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Speaker 2: them because then they got a chance with those guys

458
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 2: playing really and Keenan Allen, They've got it's a la

459
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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow in Cincinnati. They got three really good dudes

460
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Speaker 2: for a young quarterback to grow grow up with.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying Caleb Williams is going to be Joe Burrow.

463
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Speaker 2: That's a high bar. But if he's gonna be, they

464
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Speaker 2: got the guys. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This news in the AFC East just in courtesy of

466
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Speaker 1: The Athletic, the Patriots have reportedly made an offer to

467
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Speaker 1: pass rusher Matthew Judon. That according to Diana Rassini from

468
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Speaker 1: The Athletic, Judon, as we know, has been holding in

469
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Speaker 1: at Patriots camp while seeking a revised contract. So apparently

470
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Speaker 1: the Patriots have put together an offer for him and

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Speaker 1: they'll see if he accepts it and finds it unacceptable

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Speaker 1: improvement into what he's currently made.

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Speaker 2: He held in up until today where he didn't show up.

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Speaker 2: The reporter he was not in the building today. Now

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Speaker 2: that may be a result of the offer he got

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Speaker 2: and he's gonna stay out and he's gonna sign it

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Speaker 2: and come in, or he said, if that's the offer,

478
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Speaker 2: we're done. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Patriots fans might be like, oh good, the Patriots

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Speaker 1: are offering him something. This is good.

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Speaker 2: It might not be right. This is exactly if he

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Speaker 2: doesn't like it. He did not show up today, it's

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Speaker 2: been reported, but this was before it was reported that

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Speaker 2: they made him an offer, so you don't know whether

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Speaker 2: he's held out. And they said, Okay, now he's reached

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Speaker 2: his limit. Let's make him the offer. We were gonna

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Speaker 2: make him anyway, or let's make him the offer. And

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Speaker 2: he says, okay, i'm gonna get I'm gonna call my family,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a day, I'm gonna take the deal,

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Speaker 2: come in tomorrow, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Tua practiced the day that the contract was eventually signed,

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Speaker 1: but he didn't sign it until the next day. His

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Speaker 1: agent probably told him, hey, it's close. If you want

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Speaker 1: to practice, feel free, and he practiced fully, and then

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Speaker 1: later that day they announced the contract agreement and then

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Speaker 1: the day after that he signed. So how whether Judon

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Speaker 1: doesn't sound like he's taking the two approach in that

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Speaker 1: regard because he's not there and he's not participating. But

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Speaker 1: we'll see pretty soon here. Probably we'll know, probably by tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: if not sooner, as to whether or not Judon was

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Speaker 1: agreeable to the offer that has reportedly been presented to

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Speaker 1: him by the Patriots. If it's he doesn't like it,

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Speaker 1: you're very quickly running out of options here, you know,

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Speaker 1: are you going to be able to move him? Can

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Speaker 1: you take the cap hit by moving him? I'm curious

506
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Speaker 1: what the cap hit would be for Judah, So you

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Speaker 1: look that up. See if they did move him via

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Speaker 1: trade what they might be looking at, because that could

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Speaker 1: be a fly in the ointment Judon is.

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Speaker 2: Let's see, I got him going down the list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to pull it up here myself.

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Speaker 2: I didn't care. I can't find it.

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Speaker 1: Didn't come up in my search window.

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Speaker 2: Oh he's I'm sorry. It's fourteen point six this year.

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Speaker 2: It is right at the top. He's the highest paid

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Speaker 2: player on the team.

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Speaker 1: On their roster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not surprise. That's fourteen point six right now.

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Speaker 2: That's why I didn't see it. He was right at

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Speaker 2: the top. He's already making more money than anybody on

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Speaker 2: the team.

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Speaker 1: Now, they have the most cap space in the league,

523
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Speaker 1: get over forty million, So if they wanted to move

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Speaker 1: him and take a cap hit, it would only be

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Speaker 1: ten million in dead cap. They could they could sustain that.

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Speaker 1: So and if they trade him it would presumably be

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Speaker 1: a little bit less than that because we're after June first.

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Speaker 2: Here, dead cap would be ten point two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they can do that if they really want to.

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Speaker 2: They got the money the room. Yeah. And for those

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Speaker 2: of you who didn't keep track, over the last ten

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Speaker 2: years of Bill Belichick's time in New England, when they

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Speaker 2: were winning a couple of Super Bowls, the Patriots paid

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Speaker 2: less in payroll to than anybody in the National Football

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Speaker 2: League over a ten years period. They got more with less.

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Speaker 1: It's called the Brady effect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and yes, and it's called spygate, and well that too,

538
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: deflate gate and sure, drone gate and all that other stuff.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, but anyway, Patriots got the money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they have the cap.

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Speaker 2: All they have to do is get a green LIGHTE

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Speaker 2: And I'll say this too, Matt Jude. If I'm matt Judon,

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Speaker 2: I'm right there with him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm all over that.

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Speaker 2: Forget he's he's thirty one, thirty two. Oh, he's thirty two,

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Speaker 2: and his free agent year is next year.

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Speaker 1: He turns thirty two on August fifteenth.

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Speaker 2: Last year of his deal, and he's I'm with him.

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Speaker 2: There's no reason he's not the guy that they're paying

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Speaker 2: on that roster. There's nobody else, there's nobody else.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna they're not gonna be good again, and his

552
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Speaker 1: career is gonna be over. So yeah, if you got

553
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Speaker 1: a chance to go to a better place, to win games,

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Speaker 1: get to get back in the playoffs, you're doing that.

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Speaker 1: If you're Matthew Judah, you totally understand why he's kind

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Speaker 1: of taking this stance.

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Speaker 2: He's the highest course his way out of there. He's

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Speaker 2: the highest cap hit on the team at fourteen million,

559
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Speaker 2: fourteen point six, that's the highest played. And I know

560
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Speaker 2: it's a lot of money. I'm not just trying to

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Speaker 2: say it. I mean you got the every other team

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Speaker 2: that he's got a forty two million dollar guy, fifty

563
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Speaker 2: million dollar guy, thirty five million dollars, a couple of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they've got one guy making fourteen to six, another Jonathan

565
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Speaker 2: Jones making twelve five. They've got five guys barely making

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Speaker 2: eight digits. Everybody else has blow ten million dollars, including

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Speaker 2: the guy that's gonna start for them at quarterback. They're

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Speaker 2: not Matt Judon should be going to dude, just pay

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Speaker 2: me the money. Pay me the money.

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Speaker 1: Well, they could either pony up the money or move

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Speaker 1: him and withstand the cap hit. I would I would

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Speaker 1: tend to think they might do the latter, because you,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're not. They're not going to the playoffs

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Speaker 1: this year, so why pay him fourteen million? Send them

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Speaker 1: somewhere else. But somebody's willing to give him an extension

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Speaker 1: and pay him, you know, market money.

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Speaker 2: It's not the same group in the front office there, obviously,

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a bunch of new people.

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Speaker 1: Right Elliott Wolf and but Jonathan Kraft, the son of

580
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: Bob Kraft, swings a pretty big hammer, and he's.

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Speaker 2: A sharp guy. And but he sat there for a

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Speaker 2: long time and watch Bill Belichick do this. Get rid

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Speaker 2: of a guy early, not late. Yeah, don't pay a

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Speaker 2: guy that's not going to earn the money in the

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Speaker 2: next year, in the next year, in the next year,

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Speaker 2: there's no you know, if you've got a thirty two

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Speaker 2: year old guy, now they can afford it, and there's

588
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: no question. But are they smart enough to say no

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Speaker 2: in a year where he's not going to make that

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00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: big a difference for them? You know what I mean? Oh,

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Speaker 2: not that he can't play. He's gonna play well for them,

592
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: but what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 1: Let him go go to free agency next year and

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Speaker 1: then you get nothing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna get twelve sacks for a team that

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Speaker 2: gets thirty total. Yeah, and that's not enough. You know,

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00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: he get fifteen sacks for a team that gets forty total,

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Speaker 2: and that's you know, he's that's he's not gonna be

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00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: a big blip. He's got your He's the one guy

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Speaker 2: that can play on your team. You know, why pay

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Speaker 2: that guy all that many and then continue to pay

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Speaker 2: him after Now he's thirty three, thirty four to thirty

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Speaker 2: five and can't play as well as he has. Yeah,

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00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: if you're the Patriots, you were hoping he'd just be

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Speaker 2: quiet and play. Now he's too smart for that.

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Speaker 1: So that's around the NFL presented by Colida Health Topic

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Speaker 1: of Discussion for You Today and We are wide open

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Speaker 1: for your phone calls by the way throughout the show,

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Speaker 1: all the way up until three o'clock, So get on

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Speaker 1: board here early. What development do you believe will unfold

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Speaker 1: by the end of training camp with this Bills team.

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Speaker 1: You let us know at eight oh three oh five

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Speaker 1: point fifty one eighty eight five point fifty two five fifty.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's somebody surges to the top of the depth

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Speaker 1: depth chart, takes a starting job. Maybe it's somebody signs

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Speaker 1: a contract extension before the season begins.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a.

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Speaker 1: Surprise player release. Whatever you think it is, what development

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Speaker 1: will unfold by the end of training camp? Eight o

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Speaker 1: three zero five point fifty one eighty eight five fifty

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Speaker 1: two five fifty. Those are the numbers to get on board.

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Speaker 1: We're taking your phone calls. Next here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 1: presented by Collide Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right

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Speaker 1: back here and in studio on One Bill's Live on

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Question on

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Speaker 1: the table for you today concerns a development that you

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Speaker 1: believe will unfold by the end of training camp. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's you think the two starters that safety will be

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Speaker 1: by the time we get to the end of camp.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps it's who's the fifth and sixth wide receiver, or

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Speaker 1: maybe it's some kind of transaction that has to take

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Speaker 1: place to fortify the roster a little bit more. Steve

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Speaker 1: and I you'll hear on our latest edition of our

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Speaker 1: weekly podcast Bills By the Numbers, we kind of assess

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Speaker 1: where they might want to add a depth piece in

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Speaker 1: terms of position. Maybe you feel that will happen before

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Speaker 1: the end of training camp or by the end of

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Speaker 1: training camp.

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Speaker 2: You let us know.

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Speaker 1: Eight h three zero five point fifty one eight eight

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Speaker 1: eight five fifty two five fifty those are the numbers

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Speaker 1: to get on.

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Speaker 2: Board, are you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this has been a roster in transition this offseason,

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Speaker 1: more than they've typically had year over year since probably

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Speaker 1: about twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: On the defensive side. Yes. On the offensive side. The

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00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: reason it's everybody's is because it was a good player,

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00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: a really good player, a notable player in Steph Diggs.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that if it was Gabe Davis and

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Speaker 2: Gabe Davis alone, that it would have been as much

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Speaker 2: of a of a an upheaval or perceived as that. Defensively,

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Speaker 2: you can't dodge it. They lost some dudes hiding Poyer,

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Speaker 2: Tredavious White, all Leonard Floyd, Leonard Floyd and I don't

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Speaker 2: want to be a little Mitch Morse at all. But

656
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Speaker 2: the strength of this team last year was up front.

657
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be again this year. So I'm they were

658
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Speaker 2: ready and I think knew it. They were ready to

659
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Speaker 2: walk away from Mitch Morris and absorb that loss as

660
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Speaker 2: big as it is. And Mitch is a good player.

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Speaker 2: But I think all things considered, it's the defensive side.

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Speaker 2: It's Poyer and Hide and Tredavious White are the guys

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Speaker 2: that it's like a man, I don't know, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: And the there's always you know, is Vaughn going to

665
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Speaker 2: come back and is he going to play well? Is

666
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Speaker 2: is Milona going to come back? And is he going

667
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Speaker 2: to play well? What are you going to do about?

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Speaker 2: You know, they'll turnover on the defensive line because there's

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Speaker 2: some new faces up there behind the guys. We really

670
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Speaker 2: know that's where it's really the question mark. But I'm

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm I'm really I think bullish on this

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Speaker 2: team and what they're going to be able to do.

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Speaker 1: What development will unfold by the end of training camp

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Speaker 1: for your Bills, open lines for you at eight h

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Speaker 1: three zero five fifty one eight eight five fifty two

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Speaker 1: five fifty Those are the numbers to get on board.

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Speaker 1: But we go to the tweet sheet first today. Tweet

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Speaker 1: sheet brought to you by Corgan Moving Systems, the official

679
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Speaker 1: equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. And Andrew says, well,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say Jake Browning would be released because

681
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Speaker 1: we don't need two punters, and obviously Martin is number one,

682
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Speaker 1: but being beat me to it by releasing him for

683
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Speaker 1: much needed depth in the secondary. With the injuries to

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Speaker 1: Edwards and Bishop, so expect a lot more moves to

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Speaker 1: be made. So Andrew was expecting a lot of some

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Speaker 1: more roster turn over here before the end of training camp,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes injuries can precipitate that.

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Speaker 2: But it's a little different now than it has been

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Speaker 2: because they don't cut anybody until the last week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's August twenty, so.

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Speaker 2: If they're getting to a point where they early on,

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Speaker 2: and maybe they knew that with Jake Browning, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I kind of doubt it. I think he'd still be

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Speaker 2: here if they hadn't had the injuries. But if you

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Speaker 2: do get to a point where you got three guys

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Speaker 2: at the down, like say they get the last three

697
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Speaker 2: wide receivers on the team and they think they're just

698
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Speaker 2: not doing it, you may see those guys churned. Let's

699
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Speaker 2: get a guy in here and see because we might

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Speaker 2: like and they'll be available for the practice squad. We

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get some guys in here. We might like

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Speaker 2: them better for our practice squad, or they might have

703
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Speaker 2: a better chance of making the squad, or they might

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Speaker 2: have a different upside or skill set whatever. You're gonna

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Speaker 2: see some moves made because of the fact they don't

706
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Speaker 2: they're not cutting anybody. They can still hold on to

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Speaker 2: ninety guys. And when you get deep into camp, two

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Speaker 2: games into camp, or even one preseason game in there's

709
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Speaker 2: probably like what six guys that you think he's not

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Speaker 2: gonna make it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And very often after that first preseason game, that's

712
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Speaker 1: when you see the changes in the depth chart and

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Speaker 1: then the reps based on performance. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you come out to that first practice after the first

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Speaker 1: preseason game and some guys moved from the second to

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Speaker 1: the first team or the other way, and you're like, oh,

717
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Speaker 1: they weren't happy with his performance last week, and they're

718
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Speaker 1: trying other people in that spot as a result.

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Speaker 2: That's when we started noticing. A couple of weeks in

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Speaker 2: is when Benford started to elevate.

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Speaker 1: And let's not forget this too. I mean since Sean

722
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Speaker 1: McDermot and Brandon being arrived on the scene here in Buffalo,

723
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Speaker 1: they have constantly churned the bottom three spots on the roster,

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Speaker 1: even during the regular season. They get to the regular season,

725
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Speaker 1: they got fifty three man roster. There's sometimes and it

726
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Speaker 1: could be Week two, could be Week nine. Suddenly they'll

727
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Speaker 1: churn spots fifty one, fifty two, and fifty three. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there are instances where they're just trying to

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Speaker 1: get everybody's attention again, you know, maybe the middle of

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Speaker 1: the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Other times it's because somebody's practice habits have waned. You know,

733
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Speaker 1: they're on the roster, but they haven't played in the

734
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Speaker 1: first seven games. They've been an active every week, and

735
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Speaker 1: their practice intensity lags a little bit off the roster.

736
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Speaker 1: They'll get somebody in that's going to practice harder and

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Speaker 1: help the guys that do play on Sunday compete.

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Speaker 2: I had a conversation with Gus Bradley way back, you know,

739
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Speaker 2: ten years ago or whatever, when and when he was

740
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Speaker 2: head coach of the Jaguars and they were they were

741
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Speaker 2: bringing guys in and I asked, you know, I pointed

742
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Speaker 2: last time, I said, give me a rundown on why

743
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Speaker 2: teams do this, and he says, well, for us, it's

744
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Speaker 2: about athleticism and special teams. You need athletes, guys who

745
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Speaker 2: can run and cover. And if you've got a guy

746
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Speaker 2: who with an upside athletically, and you get him in

747
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Speaker 2: and he acclimates to your system and he can get

748
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Speaker 2: into it, all of a sudden, you've got a guy

749
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Speaker 2: with a higher upside and you kind of owe it

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Speaker 2: to your team to do that. Bring a better player in.

751
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Speaker 2: And like you said, if a guy stagnates or worse,

752
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: deteriorates or get starts to be unhappy with his lot

753
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: in life, even though he's playing pro he's on a

754
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Speaker 2: roster in pro football, you know, Okay, you don't have

755
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: to be happy. We're gonna find somebody who is. We

756
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Speaker 2: don't need. You know, it works, It really works.

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Speaker 1: That's why there's a lot of coaches out there that say,

758
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Speaker 1: if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. And some

759
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Speaker 1: coaches really subscribe to that. And if they think you've

760
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Speaker 1: leveled off as a player and you have him become

761
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Speaker 1: incrementally better on a day by day basis, and I'll

762
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Speaker 1: say this.

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Speaker 2: Too, they'll give you some rope. They do give you

764
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Speaker 2: a rope. But there's also about this. For instance, your

765
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Speaker 2: backup quarterback. There may be a guy there with a

766
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Speaker 2: bigger arm or whatever. But if you're really good at

767
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Speaker 2: getting the number one quarterback ready, if the number one.

768
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Speaker 1: Quarter getting your number one defense ready by running scout team.

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Speaker 2: If you can make yourself valuable or if you're valuable

770
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Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form, they're not gonna get

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Speaker 2: ready yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think that's one of the big reasons

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Speaker 1: why Mitch Trubisky is back here. Yeah, because I can't

774
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Speaker 1: tell you how many defensive players a few years a

775
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago when he was here the first time,

776
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Speaker 1: told me, Mitch really did a great job of getting

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Speaker 1: us ready for opponent X, Like just the looks he

778
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Speaker 1: was giving us in practice during the week running the

779
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Speaker 1: scout team offense. It was exactly what we needed and

780
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Speaker 1: we got exactly what we expected. And you know, it

781
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,959
Speaker 1: helped us perform today. That's not lost on coaches either,

782
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Speaker 1: because you're still helping the team win and you're not

783
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Speaker 1: even playing on Sunday or game.

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Speaker 2: Day or all that stuff goes into the mix and

785
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Speaker 2: and it you hate to think about the players as

786
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Speaker 2: being so disposable or so much of a commodity, but

787
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 2: it's an it's an ever changing roster. It's a living thing.

788
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Speaker 2: You know, it's full of, you know, fifty three living

789
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: things and plus sixteen guys on the practice practice squad.

790
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Speaker 2: And you're trying to get the fifty three guys you need,

791
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Speaker 2: and you're trying to keep them all motivate, even the

792
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Speaker 2: guys at the bottom of the roster. You're trying to

793
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Speaker 2: keep engaged and motivated. And so they keep trying, so

794
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: they elevate the top guys, and the top guys practicing

795
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Speaker 2: hard because they're a great example for the guys who

796
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: are trying to get to be the top guys. If

797
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: the best players on your team are practicing the hardest,

798
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: the worst guys better be practicing hard because they're expendable

799
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Speaker 2: and they know it. If they're not working as hard

800
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Speaker 2: as the top guys are, what are you there? For

801
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Speaker 2: So it's a huge boost to have guys like Josh

802
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: and when they were here poor you were in high

803
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: who they'd practice hard. You know, Ed Oliver's out there

804
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: busting a gut. You know those guys. There's guys out

805
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: there playing hard, Mulano flying around. So if you got

806
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: guys like that out there, who are the best players

807
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: out there, it elevates the floor of your room. And

808
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: there's no excuse for being unengaged. So you're you're done.

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00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: That's gonna keep happening. You're right, this this from Connor

810
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: is probably right or not. Let's see Andrew Anthony, he's right.

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Speaker 2: No way that you're gonna be able to coast through

812
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Speaker 2: a regular season in this building.

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Speaker 1: Uh, we've got to take a break here, but more

814
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Speaker 1: of your phone calls when we come back. What development

815
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Speaker 1: will unfold by the end of training camp for your bills,

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Speaker 1: You let us know at eight h three oh five

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Speaker 1: fifty one eighty eight five fifty two, five fifty open

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Speaker 1: lines for you. There here on one Bills Live, presented

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Speaker 1: by Colida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back

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Speaker 1: here on one Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with

821
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Speaker 1: you and plowing through some of your comments on the

822
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Speaker 1: tweet sheet here as we are asking you what development

823
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Speaker 1: you expect to unfold by the time Bill's training camp

824
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Speaker 1: is over. Could be player related, could be position related,

825
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: could be side of the ball related, could be coaching related,

826
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Speaker 1: could be transaction related. You let us know what's on

827
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Speaker 1: your mind and what you think will unfold by the

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Speaker 1: time we reach the end of training camp. Eight oh

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Speaker 1: three five point fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two,

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Speaker 1: five fifty that's the number to get on board. Before

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Speaker 1: we get back to the comments on the tweet sheet,

832
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: we should mention to you that the Patriots did sign

833
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Speaker 1: a player to a contract extension. It is not Matthew Judon.

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Speaker 1: It is Devon Godshaw, who reached an agreement on a

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Speaker 1: two year extension worth up to twenty one million includes

836
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Speaker 1: sixteen and a half million Gabrone teed. So in this

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Speaker 1: off season they've been re signing their young core to

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Speaker 1: extensions Godshaw, Jabril Pepper's last week, Christian Barmore earlier in

839
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Speaker 1: the offseason, Ramandra Stevenson, Kyle Duggar, so young core players

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Speaker 1: they've been resigning. Soon to turn thirty two year old

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00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: Matthew Judon not so short.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's uh, that's that's gonna's it'll be interesting.

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Speaker 2: God chow, maybe all right, it's it's ten million.

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Speaker 1: He's a steady player. He's not a dominant player, but

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Speaker 1: he's a steady player.

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00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: Judon, it was. Judon was a huge part of a

847
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: really good defense over there, and they have I have

848
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Speaker 2: heard that they expect their defense to be extremely good

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Speaker 2: this year. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, it's a good young core there on

851
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball for them, and they're

852
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: going to have their first round pick back healthy this year.

853
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez, the corner they drafted from Oregon in the

854
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: twenty three draft. He had a shoulder injury that required surgery.

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00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: He missed like thirteen games, the last thirteen games last year.

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00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: So they'll have him and Jonathan Jones on the back

857
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: end with Dougger and Jabrill Peppers and then you know

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00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: that D line looks pretty good. So yeah, there'll be

859
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: a formidable defense and they're gonna need that defense to

860
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: hold him in games, to be quite honest with you,

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have to win that way. But let's get

862
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: back to the tweet sheet, where we are asking you

863
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: what development do you believe will unfold by the time

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Speaker 1: we get to the end of Bill's training camp. Connor

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Speaker 1: says on the tweet sheet, who the starting safeties will be?

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00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: My hope is that Bishop does not have a serious injury.

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Speaker 1: Rap seems to be a lock, but who starts next

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Speaker 1: to him is the biggest question mark I have. The

869
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Speaker 1: Blue and Red scrimmage will be very telling. Bills are

870
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: gonna be shorthanded at the safety position because you know,

871
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: as Brandon Bean told us yesterday, he doesn't think Kareem

872
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: Jackson's gonna be doing teamwork in this defense until next week,

873
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: right And the same you would presume would go for

874
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Terrell Burgess who just signed today. So that essentially leaves

875
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: the Bills with tomar Hamlin tailor Rep. D Delaney, Kendall Williamson,

876
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: So they essentially have four safeties for the practice.

877
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's emergency surgery right now. I mean they've got

878
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: they're bringing guys in trying to get an infusion of

879
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: bodies well.

880
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: Because the risk here's the risk that happens when you

881
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: have an injury at one position, or more than one

882
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: injury at the position, especially in training camp. Now you

883
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: have subtracted two guys from the rep count, and so

884
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: now what happens. The four guys you have left are

885
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: taking more reps and then they become more susceptible to

886
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: injury because they're over taxing themselves making up for the

887
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: reps that the other two guys aren't getting because they're injured.

888
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: And so you can have a cascading effect if you

889
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: will at times when that happens. So coaches have to

890
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: be very mindful of that. This is where your sports

891
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: science department comes into play. He tells you, oh, you know,

892
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: this guy has got too much time on the field.

893
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: We got to back him off a little bit so

894
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't join the rest of the guys.

895
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: I think they all wear monitors, so they know how

896
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: hard they work and they should be able to stay

897
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: on top of it. Their problem is this, they don't

898
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: mind if a guy goes out there and lays it

899
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: all out there for a practice and stuff. What they

900
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 2: what they find is when he gets back how much

901
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: time between practice and how much has he gotten back.

902
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: They know how much he's recouped, and they start to

903
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 2: ratchet it down because he doesn't quite recoup all of

904
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: it and then he starts to go out and practice,

905
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 2: he lays it out again, drops it all back even lower,

906
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: and doesn't recoup all of that back pretty soon. Now

907
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: you're you got a guy that's half recuperated, and he's

908
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: the only you know, he's the only healthy guy you've

909
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: got to standing there, and all of a sudden, now

910
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: he gives out too. Because of that. It's just there's

911
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: not enough time. In as hectic as schedule as they lead,

912
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: there's not enough time to recover enough. And you can

913
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: laugh if you want. It is brutally hot out there,

914
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 2: and even when it's not brutally hot, they're working really

915
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: hard under intense conditions. Guys give out. I'll say this too,

916
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: And you can say, well, all those how did they?

917
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: How is it possible for and I did it? How

918
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,479
Speaker 2: is it possible for all those guys when you had

919
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: ninety five guys in camp like they didn't when I

920
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: was there, eighty five or ninety guys in camp and

921
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: you went two a days for two weeks and it

922
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: was pads. I would challenge you to go back and

923
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: watch the pace of those practices. After you know, ten

924
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: days of two days and.

925
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: Pads, they would slow considerably.

926
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: Yes, they were. They were doing it and it, and

927
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: you if you were there, it was like, wow, yeah,

928
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: they're working hard. But the pace of those practices dropped

929
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: off a cliff. They just kept steadily declining and by

930
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: until by the time you know, you were ten days

931
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: into that, it was unrecognizable the pace of that practice.

932
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: And guys are you know, because everybody was just surviving.

933
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: So it's a completely different atmosphere, you know. So I

934
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: would challenge anybody to go back and say, listen, you know,

935
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: those guys weren't any tougher. They just they were better

936
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: at getting because they were all in the same boat.

937
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's practice, presumably knowing that Friday will be a scrimmage,

938
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: may not be super intense. I would presume nopads tomorrow.

939
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: But how they rotate those safeties through will be interesting.

940
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: You wonder if perhaps they focus a little bit more

941
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: on red zone, so the amount of ground covered by

942
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: the safeties during team is less than it is between

943
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: the twenties. You know, no thirty yard routes to cover

944
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: those kinds of things. That's one way to mitigate, you know,

945
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: the distance traveling four a lot of things. Safety.

946
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: What they can do to particularly like at the safety position.

947
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: They'll get Jackson and Burgess in there in every seven

948
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: on seven position, walk through every installed that those guys

949
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: will be taking the red and you know Jamar Hamlin's

950
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: over there taking a knee watching so he doesn't. But

951
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: then when they get up and they start running around stuff, well,

952
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: now Tomorris gotta go in because he's the only one

953
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 2: that can do it at full speed, that kind of thing.

954
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: But you let those guys learn by walking through it.

955
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: It's another way to teach him faster, and they'll do

956
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: as much as they can an individual all that stuff

957
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,479
Speaker 2: when they're not eleven on eleven or seven on seven

958
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: or nine on seven. And then when those teams periods come,

959
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: then the guys that have to take it take it.

960
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: What development will unfold by the end of training camp.

961
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: You let us know at eight h three oh five

962
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty

963
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: those are the numbers to get on board wide open

964
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: for your phone calls here at hour number two. Coming

965
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: up on one Bill's Live presented by Klida Health. It's

966
00:50:42,440 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio.

967
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: This this one Bills Live presented by Calida Health.

968
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: All Right, back here for our number two Chris Brown

969
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: Steve Jasker with you on a Wednesday day off for

970
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: the players at training camp. We'll be back out at

971
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: Saint John Fisher on Thursday to give you all the

972
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: goings on with practice tomorrow, which will take place before

973
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: we hit the air, as has been the case all summer,

974
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: so we'll be bringing the details of that camp. We'll

975
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: have player guests, the whole ball of axe out there

976
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: at Saint John f Sure tomorrow, and then Friday is

977
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: the return of the Blue and Red and the team

978
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: will scrimmage against itself and we'll we'll preview that on

979
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: Friday show because that practice is in the evening five

980
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: point thirty to seven thirty at high Mark Stadium across

981
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: the street from where we sit right now. So looking

982
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: forward to that for sure. Topic of discussion today what

983
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: development will unfold by the end of training camp. Maybe

984
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: there's something juicy you have in mind that you think

985
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: will be decided by the time we get to the

986
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: end of camp. You let us know what that is.

987
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: At eight oh three oh five point fifty one, eight

988
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty those are the

989
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: phone numbers. Do have open lines for you. We've been

990
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: kind of meticulously running down the tweet sheet here, so

991
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: we'll move to Beth next, who says her development is

992
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: Vaughn will make his presence felt. I think that already happened.

993
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: Happened in practice yesterday. Dion Dawkins addressed the media to

994
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: practice and he said, Vaughn's aura is back. And when

995
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: we saw it on plays of back to back sacks

996
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: in eleven on eleven yesterday, it was a third and

997
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: long period, so you knew he was going to see

998
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: a lot of action and he won on two straight

999
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: reps for would be sacks. And I think we noticed

1000
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: this too though even before yesterday, Steve the burst looks

1001
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: to be back to what it used to be.

1002
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only question is how long is he gonna last?

1003
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: You know, can he keep it going for an eighteen

1004
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 2: week schedule? Can he be consistent? Does he have enough

1005
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: left in the tank to get him to a playoff

1006
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: push and to the Super Bowl and help him help

1007
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: that defense close out important games. I mean, let's face it,

1008
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: the one missing ingredient for this team. I'm not saying

1009
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: it's been a pass rush or a sacker, but it

1010
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: has been their ability to close out that last game

1011
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: of the season and move on to the championship round

1012
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's it. They're good enough

1013
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: to beat anybody in the league on any given Sunday,

1014
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: but they got to play well on the day and

1015
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: finish those games. Nobody beats this team by twenty five points.

1016
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: You got to have those guys available and healthy so

1017
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: they can close those playoff games out and get to

1018
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 2: the next level. That's what you need Vaughn for. And

1019
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: that's the question, that's the only really question for me.

1020
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: How long can you I know he's got stuff in

1021
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: the tank. I know he's going to be able to contribute,

1022
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: but can he do it on a week to week

1023
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: basis for eighteen weeks? We'll see, oh well.

1024
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: And I do expect them to manage his amount of

1025
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: playing time through the course of the season. I mean

1026
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: we've mentioned it here on this show a couple of times.

1027
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: I think they're going to designate him a pass rush specialist,

1028
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: and they would rather get the best that he has

1029
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: to offer on thirty reps than play him for fifty

1030
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: and get eighty percent von Miller. You want the best

1031
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: of von Miller, right, pace him through the season, have

1032
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: him played thirty snaps, play in obvious passing situations and

1033
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: you might get ten twelve sacks out of them.

1034
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you get into to a double digit lead

1035
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 2: in the in the fourth quarter and Vaughn doesn't take

1036
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,479
Speaker 2: any more reps. You know. But if you get into

1037
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: a game where it's been a good first half and

1038
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 2: they've got a two minute drill on the field trying

1039
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 2: to get some close the gap in the first half

1040
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: or whatever, you leave him out there, let him finish

1041
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 2: the first half, a couple of straight series, that kind

1042
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 2: of thing. I'm with you, Brownie. I think they're gonna

1043
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: be very judicious about how they use him because I

1044
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: think they believe like you and I do. I think

1045
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: they know he's got something. He's gonna he's gonna help

1046
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 2: this team, and they want to get as much out

1047
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: of as they can, keep him as healthy as they can.

1048
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: Dan on the tweets sheet says the Bills will use

1049
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: a rugby scrum kickoff return. I will defer to our

1050
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: special teams and rugby expert on the panel here, as

1051
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: Steve did both. So what do you make of the

1052
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: rugby scrum on a kick return?

1053
00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: Steve might work. I have thought. The closer the more

1054
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: I see this kickoff thing, the more you think about it.

1055
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: There's only one problem. In rugby. The ball has to

1056
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: be first. There's nobody out in front and knocking interference

1057
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: for the ball. In rugby, the guy with the ball

1058
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: is in front. So as you get it to a kickoff,

1059
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't talk through this because everybody's going

1060
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: to be their eyes will glaze over in their roll back.

1061
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: But there's a space in this new play for guys

1062
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 2: to try, for teams to try stuff. Maybe they will.

1063
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,479
Speaker 2: The problem is in rugby, not only does the ball

1064
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: have to be the point of attack for the offense

1065
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: the team with the ball, your defenders can't go past

1066
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: the ball either or like around the back and get it.

1067
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 2: There is no such rule in football. The defense can

1068
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 2: go pass the ball and come around, loop around, or

1069
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: come off the edge, and they can go anywhere they

1070
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: want on the field, as can the offense. So the

1071
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: rugby thing doesn't really play even on a kickoff. But

1072
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: if you can bunch it up and garbage it up

1073
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 2: around the ball with all of your players and just

1074
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: kind of edge down the field with the ball in

1075
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 2: that bunch, I know, as a guy covering that kick.

1076
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: When you've got like say, you've got four offensive linemen,

1077
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: you got one like a running back with the ball.

1078
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: You got four offensive line him around him, facing him

1079
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: and hugging him and pushing him forward.

1080
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: Gotta push.

1081
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: You can't pull right, you push him forward. And the

1082
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: only way, and I'm talking about a guy I was,

1083
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: you know, less than two hundred pounds. The only way

1084
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: you can get that stopped is not with big guys

1085
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: pushing against it. You got to throw yourselves under the

1086
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 2: wheels of the chariot. You got to throw a spike

1087
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: under the train wheels. You gotta trip him, and you

1088
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: got to you gotta use yourself as the mechanism. Not

1089
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: everybody's willing to do that. It's so I think there's

1090
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 2: a space for that to happen, But I don't know how.

1091
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: I don't know how you I don't know if you

1092
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: can execute it properly in the speed of a game.

1093
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: The reason I say that the space has emerged for

1094
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: that is because of the slow nature of how what

1095
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: this play is gonna look like. Now, what happens. If

1096
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: the ball is gonna be the kicker, you're going it's

1097
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: gonna be the weirdest thing ever. For the first preseason game.

1098
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: People are gonna watch you kick that ball down. The

1099
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: kicker is gonna be standing at the other end of

1100
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: the field all by himself, kicks it over the top

1101
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 2: of his coverage team inside the twenty, and then as

1102
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: if the ball hits the ground or if somebody catches it,

1103
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 2: whichever's first, that's when everybody else can even move. It's

1104
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: like freeze tag. They have to stay frozen until that

1105
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: ball is touched or whether it hits the until it

1106
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: hits the ground. Because of that, everything happens in slow motion.

1107
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 2: The ball's there already and you're kind of close to it,

1108
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 2: so you run up to it just like fifteen yards.

1109
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 2: That to me then becomes the space where you can

1110
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: try to bunch it up and edge your way down

1111
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: the field. I was talking. I said, maybe you might

1112
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: have a in the scenario of this rugby scenario, you

1113
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: may have a kickoff return for a touchdown that takes

1114
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: sixty seconds to finish because they're going they're pushing him

1115
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: down the you know what I'm saying.

1116
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: So, for lack of a better picture, for fans that

1117
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: are listening to us, this could be an extended push

1118
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: push in lack of a better description, exactly, a very

1119
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: extended well because it could be words of seventy yards.

1120
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Speaker 2: And I think so too. I think this whole kickoff

1121
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: thing too, for the first time in history, may be

1122
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 2: a matchup issue. If if you run out a bunch

1123
00:59:54,560 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: of Steve Taskers and Matt Slater's and you know so Niels,

1124
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 2: and they run out guys like Connor McGovern's and Spencer

1125
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 2: Brown's and Ted Washington's and Ed Oliver's, you got a problem.

1126
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: Yes, you don't have as much bulk to throw at them.

1127
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 2: You don't have any bulk to throw at them, and

1128
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: your speed is gonna be a little bit negated by

1129
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: the fact that you only get fifteen everything's condensed. But

1130
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: if they go out there and throw, if their coverage

1131
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: team goes out there and it's Ed Oliver's and you know,

1132
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: Ted Washington, all those guys and you put out as

1133
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: a return team, you put out you know, Steve Taskers

1134
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: and Slaters and all these guys, Now you've got a problem.

1135
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's a lot in this.

1136
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: There is, I mean, there is the rule with offense

1137
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: and defense that you know, if the offense substitutes. You

1138
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: can substitute as well, but the play starts out with

1139
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: the kicking team. But on the but on but on

1140
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: kicking plays that is not the case, right, I mean,

1141
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: you're you're running your guys out there. I suppose if

1142
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: you see them running big people on you can quick

1143
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: try to swap them out before the play.

1144
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 2: That's about it. Well there's well, now you're in the gamesmanship. Yeah,

1145
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: that's the that's the issue. Who goes out there and

1146
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: lines up and how much time they got and you

1147
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: got to go out there and freeze play, freeze tag.

1148
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: The farious substitution practices. That's what we could be facing

1149
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: on special teams at the beginning.

1150
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: I don't know how they're going to do that because

1151
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 2: there's no the kickers out there. And and here's the

1152
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 2: thing what people don't know. The kickoff is an offensive play.

1153
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: So if the offense sets there, the defense gets to answer.

1154
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: The defense is the kick return team. Because the offense

1155
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 2: has the.

1156
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: Ball, they can adjust.

1157
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 2: All right, I wasn't that, But there's your problem. Yeah,

1158
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: if you're going to send your kickoff team out there

1159
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 2: and you got a bunch of little.

1160
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: Dudes and they put out behemoths.

1161
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 2: And then they roll out there, you know, yeah, their

1162
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:07,439
Speaker 2: advantage literally a herd of bison. You gotta think, well,

1163
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 2: and here's the thing and the only and i'm i'm

1164
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 2: this is down a rabbit hole here. So the kickers

1165
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 2: back there and they run out there. Heard of bison

1166
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 2: against your herd of antelope. Yeah, you got your special

1167
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 2: teams guy over there saying, hey, kick it out of

1168
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 2: the end zone. So he says, don't, don't do it.

1169
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:27,439
Speaker 1: Let's just give it to him on the thirty.

1170
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 2: Give and you get it on the thirty. That's that's

1171
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: a win. Yeah, that's a win.

1172
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. It won't be any fun for

1173
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: Special teams coordinators, but it'll be fun for us.

1174
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting for us as long as it doesn't

1175
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 2: cost us a game.

1176
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: Well you know, you're true, yeah.

1177
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 2: And that you know. And let's face it, everybody, everybody's

1178
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: talking about this. It's exactly like we're talking about it.

1179
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: I was. I literally had six conversations just like the

1180
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 2: one we just had with six different people yesterday and

1181
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 2: all of it and it's all a big question mark

1182
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: from they're like going, yeah, I don't know what think

1183
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 2: that and Disney, and you know they have everybody's got questions.

1184
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fear of the unknown. And maybe fear is

1185
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: a strong word, and yeah, it's anxiety over the unknown.

1186
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 2: It's fear of being embarrassed as an NFL coordinator.

1187
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: You're raising a crack the code here before anybody else does,

1188
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: or to not be surprised by some other practice that

1189
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: you haven't thought about. So yeah, and and that's what's

1190
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: going to make it a very intriguing element of competition

1191
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: right at the start of the game and after every

1192
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: subsequent scoring play. Yeah, so who we.

1193
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: I am looking forward to it.

1194
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: I don't know that everybody else is. Bill's banter on

1195
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: the tweets sheet says there will be a player on

1196
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: offense like Shavers or Gore Junior, and one on defense

1197
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: like Coucher Jonathan who takes a roster spot from someone

1198
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: unexpected Kingsley Jonathan made the roster last year. But I

1199
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: like your pick of Couch. I think he's kind of

1200
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: a cagey nickel, you know, slot corner type player who's

1201
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: done some nice things. Is a long way to go.

1202
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: Haven't played a preseason game yet. Shavers has already made

1203
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: an impact. We know that, and Frank Or Junior is

1204
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: getting more reps right now because Ty Johnson is injured.

1205
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: So the fourth running back usually don't see a lot

1206
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: of time, but he's getting more now because he's the

1207
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: third running back with Ty Johnson out of the lineup.

1208
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Shavers has been a little bit of a

1209
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: surprise for me. I think he looks like the most

1210
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 2: versatile athlete at receiver of the three of the guys

1211
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: we're talking of, you know of Shorter, mvs Even and Shavers.

1212
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 2: I think I like Shavers of the group. At this

1213
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: point after a week of camp.

1214
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: People forget I mean the college that's listed for him

1215
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: is San Diego State. He's arted at Alabama and then

1216
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: transferred and transferred again. But Alabama had him on their

1217
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: roster at one time, so I mean the guy was

1218
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: sought after I think would be a safe We well.

1219
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 2: He's got some He's got, you know, a huge physical stature,

1220
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 2: so that always gets some attention. But he's he's played

1221
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 2: well at the first week of camp. And and also

1222
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 2: I not for nothing, he didn't disappear when the pads

1223
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 2: went on.

1224
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: Yes, Frank Gore Junior a little bit bigger hill to

1225
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: climb knowing he's got not only James Cook, Ty Johnson,

1226
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: Ray Davis in front of him, but he's also got

1227
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: Darrington Evans, who last year on this roster was the

1228
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: team's leading rusher at the end of the preseason, so

1229
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: and has time in the league and experience, so it

1230
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: is an uphill climb for him. As for Couch, we'll

1231
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: see he's got a draft choice that's playing some of

1232
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: the same position in Daikwon Hardy, along with Cam Lewis,

1233
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: who I think is on this roster, but just because

1234
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: of his versatility alone, and then obviously Terarren Johnson Kingsley.

1235
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: Jonathan got a roster spot last year. Whether you want

1236
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: to argue he stole it from somebody I guess is

1237
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: up for debate. But this year, I think it's going

1238
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: to be a tough set of decisions that they make

1239
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: a defensive end just by virtue of the fact that

1240
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: you have about six that you kind of.

1241
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, everybody kind of tends to forget about Casey

1242
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: two Hill outside of Rousseau, Epanessa Vaughn and.

1243
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: Solomon Solomon, Sue Hill, Smoot, got a lot of people.

1244
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 2: There, Jonathan, So yeah, there's too many guys there. It's

1245
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: a little bit like the offensive line right now, although

1246
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 2: the offensive line seems to be even better than that. So, yeah,

1247
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 2: it's it's a problem. Yesterday on the show, I said it,

1248
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: and I'll reiterated. If they're going to go to eighteen games,

1249
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 2: you can bet they're going to have instead of a

1250
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 2: fifty three man roster, they're going to have like a

1251
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 2: fifty seven man roster. They'll give you two extra defensive

1252
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 2: players and two extra offensive players for the other to

1253
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 2: you know, make it just lighten the load just that much.

1254
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: Luke on the tweets sheet says Buffalo trades or releases

1255
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: unexpected veterans due to the growth of younger players on

1256
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: the roster. Tyrrel Shavers makes the fifty three and forces

1257
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: the release or trade of veteran wide receivers, O line,

1258
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: D line. Younger players forced the team to release or

1259
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: trade newly signed veterans, So Luke is expecting a major

1260
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: youth movement, even bigger than the one that's already been

1261
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: undertaken by the Bills this offseason.

1262
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I'm not a I'm not against any

1263
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 2: of this. I would it'd be great if the young

1264
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 2: players that we don't know just enough about yet explode

1265
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 2: and makes some of these veterans that they've signed in

1266
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 2: free agency obsolete. Yeahle that it's less about their physical

1267
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 2: ability and the way the way they play the game

1268
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 2: as it is about the trust they can earn from

1269
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,879
Speaker 2: a coaching staff to go into a seventeen game season

1270
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 2: with them instead of somebody they've seen do it. Yeah,

1271
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 2: it's just a little extra for the young guys to do.

1272
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 2: It's been done by a handful, but only a handful

1273
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 2: throughout Sean mcgermot's whole career here as the head coach,

1274
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 2: not a handful every year, but by the same token,

1275
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: it's been a while since they've had this many new

1276
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,719
Speaker 2: young guys they needed to contribute.

1277
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: And I would say Shavers Good is going to have

1278
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: a good look at the free roster because through the

1279
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 1: first week of camp he's probably done the most among

1280
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: the candidates that are in line for either the fifth

1281
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: or sixth the receiver spot, assuming they keeps five or six, well,

1282
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: they will keep five. In the last several years they've

1283
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: kept six, so he's he's done more on a more

1284
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: consistent basis than any of the other guys who are

1285
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: not in the top four at the receiver position. So

1286
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 1: he just keeps that up and carries it through the

1287
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: preseason games. He'll be in good standing. Con on the

1288
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,440
Speaker 1: tweets sheet says, I feel the development of the secondary

1289
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: will be more prominent than other positions due to the

1290
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: strength of the coaching and its history. Hopefully we still

1291
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: have safeties to play by week one. Praying for the

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Speaker 1: guy's health from injury. Yeah, two went down in short

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Speaker 1: order here, and they've tried to refortify the roster with

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Speaker 1: some veteran free agents and they're not going to be

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Speaker 1: ready immediately, but by early next week they will.

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Speaker 2: So we asked We asked Brandon yesterday, and I said,

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Speaker 2: it's kind of reminiscent of what they had to take

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Speaker 2: over in twenty seventeen. When they got here. They got

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Speaker 2: the Sean got the job because of his ability to

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Speaker 2: convince ownership and everybody that he was the guy to

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Speaker 2: build it and man Oman Diddy right from year one

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Speaker 2: when they made the playoffs with a drought roster. They're

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Speaker 2: right back there now, and I think it's a little

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01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: comforting to think about that's what he does best. Sean McDermott,

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01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 2: that guy can build it. Yes, he can put it together,

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01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 2: and he maximizes the guys in the room. But like

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Speaker 2: from eighty guys, he's gonna pick the best fifty three

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Speaker 2: to help him win the most games. Whether it's you know,

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Speaker 2: and it's not always the best players. Sometimes it's the

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Speaker 2: best fit and there's a difference, if you get my drift.

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Speaker 2: I just think I think this speaks to what their

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Speaker 2: strength is as Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott. This is

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Speaker 2: where this is their wheelhouse. They've been put here by

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Speaker 2: the fact, you know, by because of the economics of

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Speaker 2: the league and their decisions to kind of do it

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Speaker 2: to this year. But I think this gives them a

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01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 2: chance to do exactly what they're good at, and that's

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Speaker 2: put together a fifty to three man roster from this group.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting that Khan feels the development of the secondary

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Speaker 1: will be more prominent than at other positions. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he feels that way because of how far

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Speaker 1: that group has to come with all the new pieces,

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Speaker 1: or if he genuinely believes if comparing apples to apples

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Speaker 1: all the way across the board, positionally he feels they're

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Speaker 1: going to cover the most ground and getting back to

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Speaker 1: the status the previous secondary used to have here on

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Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, because you're gonna you'll

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Speaker 1: have presumably the same two corners you finished with last year,

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Speaker 1: maybe one of the same safeties in rap three quarters

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Speaker 1: actually four sixths or four fifths of it, eighty percent

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01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: of it could be the same, right you know, Trent

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Speaker 1: counting Taron Johnson in the equation.

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Speaker 2: Obviously we'll see. It'd be great because as we've said,

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Speaker 2: you know, just as we've been touting all off season

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Speaker 2: about how they should get they're going to be younger

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01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 2: in the secondary, just be just as a fact, and

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01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 2: they because of their youth, they should be more durable

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01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 2: and be available more. Now we got two we got

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Speaker 2: two guys on the shelf already a week into camp.

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Speaker 1: And one of them is one of your younger guys.

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Speaker 2: We might have missed that one just for the time being.

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Speaker 1: Got to take a break here, but still asking you

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01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: what development will unfold by the end of training camp.

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Speaker 1: You can give us a call of eight O three

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Speaker 1: zero five fifty or hit us up on the tweet sheet.

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Speaker 1: Got some other things to cover, including perhaps little NFL

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Speaker 1: true false. When we return here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 1: presented by co Lot of Health.

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Speaker 3: It's Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: All right, here we be One Bill's Live on a Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker, and time for a little NFL.

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Speaker 1: True false. It's been a while, Steve, Let's go NFL.

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Speaker 1: True false. Presented by Patron Tequila, the official tequila of

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills Vamos Bills NFL true false. Number one

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Speaker 1: Steve Dak Prescott is the quarterback under the most pressure

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01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. True or false. I would say false.

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01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: I would put Aaron Rodgers above Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 1: False for you, false for me? Is it is it

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01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: because of the injury the pressures there, or is it

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01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: because the Jets haven't won a damn thing and havn't

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Speaker 1: been to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: It's seen the injury and the proof that last year

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01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: he was their only hope or the hope that was

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01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 2: missing Dak Prescott in Dallas. I mean, what's the worst

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Speaker 2: that could happen to him? He makes a couple of

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Speaker 2: hundred million when the delph the Dallas Cowboys do extend him,

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Speaker 2: or he becomes a free agent and makes a couple

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Speaker 2: of hundred million from somebody else. Yeah, he hasn't won

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01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 2: anything yet, there's no pressure to return to that. The

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Speaker 2: Cowboys have been criticized by their own fans for not

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Speaker 2: doing anything in free agency and somewhat leaving the cupboard

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Speaker 2: bear as it were for the Cowboys and Tom McCarthy

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01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:47,759
Speaker 2: and Dak Prescott. So the expectations have dropped a little

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Speaker 2: bit for the Cowboys because of the inactivity their front office.

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Speaker 2: So I'm you know, they also haven't won much in

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01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 2: the playoffs, that's right, But are you expecting more things

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01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: from him than he like this or less? And I

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01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 2: don't think you can expect more from him, So I'm

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Speaker 2: certainly there is pressure on Dak Prescott, both personally and professional.

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Speaker 2: I mean, his career is going to be a disappointment

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01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 2: as successful as he has been for the Cowboys in

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Speaker 2: the regular season. You know, that's a franchise that measures

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Speaker 2: things in championships and that's the way it's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: I think there's more pressure on Mike McCarthy than there

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Speaker 1: is on Dak press I would agree with that as well,

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Speaker 1: So I will tend to agree with you, but for

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Speaker 1: a different reason. I think the pressure is on the

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Speaker 1: head coach more than it is on Prescott. Obviously, a

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Speaker 1: lot of the blame usually goes to the quarterback when

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01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: things go don't go right, and they also get all

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Speaker 1: of the credit when things do go right. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you can make an argument that Rogers has

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Speaker 1: more pressure on him. I think two is gonna have

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01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: an awful lot of pressure on him this year, now

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01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 1: that he's got the new contract. They've made the play twice,

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01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: have yet to win a playoff game, So if they

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Speaker 1: do get back to the playoffs, the pressure is going

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Speaker 1: to be enormous for him to win in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: So I think you could put Tua on that list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of pressure on Josh has got

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01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 2: some pressure on him from from outside sources. They always

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01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 2: because of the fact that they're they're banging their heads

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01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 2: against Kansas City every season. Same thing, same thing with

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. I mean, those two guys are kind of

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Speaker 2: That's why you don't put them in this conversation. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of guys like Josh and Joe. You know,

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01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 2: justin Herbert Trevor Lawrence just signed a new deal, so

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01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:41,719
Speaker 2: he's under some strip.

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Speaker 1: I wonder where Mike Shanahan would or Kyle Shanahan would

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01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: fall in this equation as far as pressure. He's been

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Speaker 1: good enough to get your team to the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: twice and you lost both times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I'm not in those camps for those guys,

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01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan, Sean mc dermott. There are two guys that

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01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,520
Speaker 2: are a lot alike to meet the Mike McCoy in Cincinnati,

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01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 2: John Harbaugh in Baltimore. Of course, Hobbar has won it,

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01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 2: but John Harbar. These guys are the guys who keep

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01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: their teams in the conversation year after year after year

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01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 2: after year, and you can always say, oh, he doesn't

1420
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 2: have There is no and I'll say it again, there's

1421
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 2: no magic elixa for these guys, like, Oh, all of

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01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 2: a sudden, you wave your magic wand and he figured

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01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 2: out how to win. Come on, all you gotta do

1424
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 2: is play a game on that day. Take it from

1425
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 2: a guy who got his head caved in in four

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Speaker 2: straight Super Bowls. You just gotta play well on that day.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter what you did in It doesn't matter if

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01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 2: you're fourteen and two in the regular season. It's this

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01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 2: game that matters. Doesn't matter if you just slide in

1430
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 2: at nine and seven or nine and eight nowadays, and

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01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 2: you get all you gotta do is play well on

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01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 2: that day and you win. It doesn't matter. You're nine

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Speaker 2: and eight and you need a coach like the like

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01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 2: the ones I mention Shanahan, Harbaugh, McDermott, McCoy, These guys

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01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 2: that they're there every year. You gotta you just gotta

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01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,759
Speaker 2: keep plugging at it. I'm I am not a fan

1437
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 2: of now. Mike McCarthy's different. He's been in Dallas and

1438
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 2: they can't win this playoff game. Mike McDaniel, same thing.

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01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 2: He can't win. You know, he can't take him that

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01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 2: final thing, final way. I'm not saying it's all their

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01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 2: fault in those situations either, but they're you know, they're

1442
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,520
Speaker 2: the ones who are responsible, are gonna be held responsible

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01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,560
Speaker 2: by ownership. But I think if you're an owner of

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01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 2: an NFL team, you've got a guy that's right there

1445
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 2: every year. You just got to have a lot of

1446
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 2: faith that one year that the ball will bounce that

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01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 2: their way. You know that they're gonna get a guy

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Speaker 2: that is gonna make that play.

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Speaker 1: NFL true false number two. Speaking of the hardblaws, Jim

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh's offensive approach will help quarterback Justin.

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Speaker 2: Herbert help him.

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01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 1: You know they're going to run the tar out of

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Speaker 1: the ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think he's not going to have better

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01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 2: numbers under Jim.

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Speaker 1: He won't be thrown for five thousand yards.

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01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 2: Right, but he may win more games. He may have

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Speaker 2: a shot at beating Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: So would you count that as helping I kind of

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01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: think yeah.

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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh is a really good coach. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: what you think of him personally or what the guy

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01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 2: can really get it done. He may wear out his

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01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 2: welcome in three or four years, but they're going to

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Speaker 2: be a really good football team with him as their

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Speaker 2: head coach. That may be the smartest thing the LA

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Speaker 2: Chargers have done since they moved from San Diego. I

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Speaker 2: would aside from Herbert, well, yes, I.

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Speaker 1: Would say true as well. I think they are going

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Speaker 1: to run the ball a lot. It's going to take

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Speaker 1: pressure off of Herbert. I'm not saying that Harball is

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Speaker 1: going to turn him into a game manager. I think

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01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: he'll be more than that. But I think he's going

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01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 1: to turn the run game into something upon which they

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01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: can rely regularly week to week, and that in turn

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01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: will allow Herbert in some weeks to serve as a

1477
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 1: compliment to what they do offensively, rather than being the

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Speaker 1: focal point.

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Speaker 2: They may make his job easier, and you know, he

1480
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 2: may be way more efficient as a quarterback because he's

1481
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 2: gonna have a little more room to throw it and

1482
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 2: throwing it against a little bit better coverage and you

1483
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:21,839
Speaker 2: know all that stuff.

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01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: Now, if you're gonna play that way, you better have

1485
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 1: a darn good defense because you're not gonna be pulling

1486
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: away from people as much as you are throwing the

1487
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: ball all over the place.

1488
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 2: You got to be comfortable in tight games. The Bills

1489
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 2: are certainly that kind of team. Mahomes thrives in that environment.

1490
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 2: It's just something you're gonna have to do. And I

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01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 2: think they're gonna live there. You're right. I think they're

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01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 2: gonna The Chargers are going to live right in that.

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Speaker 2: You know, seventeen to fourteen, you know, WORLDE twenty three

1494
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,759
Speaker 2: to twenty kind of game, right, you know, those thirty

1495
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 2: point games are going to be fewer and far between,

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Speaker 2: I would think, unless unless they get it, they get

1497
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 2: up on top of somebody defensively and they turned Herbert

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Speaker 2: loose a little Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And they had a turnover at the receiver position too,

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01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, Keenan Allen, Mike Williams. Neither of them are

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01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 1: there anymore. So it might be who have you to

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01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: lean on the run game a little bit? Well, your

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01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 1: receiving corps develops a little bit, which isn't terribly unlike

1504
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 1: what the Bills offense is experiencing here. NFL true false

1505
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: Number three, It is not Jacoby Brissette's job to mentor

1506
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: Drake May in New England. Koby Brissett back for a

1507
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: second stint with the Patriots.

1508
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 2: I might say false false. I think when they signed him,

1509
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 2: that's exactly what they signed him to do. Jacoby Brissett's

1510
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 2: a backup quarterback and he if he takes snaps on

1511
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: opening day, that's great. He's going to be the starter

1512
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 2: and he's going to do everything he can to win.

1513
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 2: But when they signed Jacoby Brissett, it was for the

1514
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 2: express purpose of getting whoever they drafted ready to play.

1515
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: How realistic is that in this day and age of

1516
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: the NFL to expect a veteran quarterback to truly mentor

1517
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 1: a first round draft choice. Well, he Brisset's getting eight

1518
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 1: million dollars this year.

1519
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 2: That's right. That's why it's That's why it's realistic because

1520
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 2: he he's not making eight million dollars for somebody else.

1521
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 2: He came back. Here's the thing, this is a huge

1522
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 2: opportunity for him, no question. But when they signed him,

1523
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:42,520
Speaker 2: there's no doubt in my mind they had that conversation

1524
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 2: with Listen, we need you to play as well as

1525
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 2: you can play, win games, yes, all that, but we

1526
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 2: need you to show this kid how to do it.

1527
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: We need you to show this guy how to prepare,

1528
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 2: how to get ready, talk to him, help him out

1529
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 2: because quite frankly, you're not going to be here for

1530
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 2: more than a year or two. When he's ready, we

1531
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 2: want him to play.

1532
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 1: And if Brissett says, isn't that why you have a

1533
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach? You don't sign him, You probably don't sign

1534
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 1: them because that's not the right answer.

1535
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 2: That's right. He's got to be I think he's got

1536
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 2: to be on And listen, I've met with Jacobe a

1537
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 2: couple of times. He's he he's one of the all

1538
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 2: time great dudes, and he's right up there with fits

1539
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 2: is to the sweetheart of a guy. He is so

1540
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 2: that's why he's there, because he's the kind of guy

1541
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 2: that would will do that for you. You know, Baker

1542
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 2: Mayfield ain't there. You know, they're not. They don't have

1543
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 2: guys like that. They're going to hire a guy that

1544
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 2: is that they tell when they sign him in the negotiations. Yeah,

1545
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 2: and then that's when he says, no, I'm not making

1546
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 2: if you're gonna have me do that, I'm not making

1547
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 2: five million a year, I'm gonna make eight million a year.

1548
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 2: And they say, okay, we'll give you eight million dollars

1549
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 2: a year, just per mentor this guy. That's that's how

1550
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 2: it goes.

1551
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say true that it is not Brissette's job

1552
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: to mentor may And the reason the only reason I

1553
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 1: say that is because a mentor to me is a

1554
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: is a truly hands on person here and trying to

1555
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 1: develop the younger guy. And if Brissette is starting in

1556
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: week one, there's no time for that. He's got to

1557
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 1: get himself ready to play. And then if Drake may

1558
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 1: happens to learn a thing or two watching Brissette play, well, okay,

1559
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 1: more power to you, but Brissette's not gonna have time

1560
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: to hold Drake May's hand if he's starting, So I

1561
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: think if he's starting, it's not his job to mentor him.

1562
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 1: It's on Drake May to try to learn something by

1563
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: watching him play. So that's kinda yeah. I don't know,

1564
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure teams have different definitions of what a

1565
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: mentor is. It might just be a guy that's willing

1566
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: to give an answer when he's asked a question by

1567
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback. So some it might be hey, you

1568
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: mind sitting in the film room with him for the

1569
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 1: next hour and a half and going over this, and it's.

1570
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, that's what That's part of it though,

1571
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 2: I mean that when they that's got to be part

1572
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 2: of what he's you talk to him about when you

1573
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 2: sign him, which is why they may that That may

1574
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 2: be the reason Jacoby Brissett is the guy that's there,

1575
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 2: because they might have gone through went through two or

1576
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 2: three other free agents and they're like, well, no, I

1577
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,640
Speaker 2: ain't doing that. I'm trying to play football. I mean,

1578
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 2: I'll be nice to the kid, but man, I'm going

1579
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 2: to try and win because it's my career. Jacoby Brissett said, Okay, yeah,

1580
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 2: I'll teach him how I get ready I'll teach him

1581
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 2: how I do it and why I'm thinking it, what

1582
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:30,759
Speaker 2: I'm doing, how did that. I'll teach him all that stuff.

1583
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 2: He can come watch them all, he can watch me.

1584
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 2: But when I comes to playing, I'm going.

1585
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: To play, yeah, because you got to believe there's there

1586
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: are incentives in his contract based on on field productions.

1587
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 1: Maybe wants to start, and he may very well start

1588
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:46,799
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year. How long that lasts,

1589
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: I guess remains to be seen, and it's going to

1590
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:51,600
Speaker 1: be largely based on how Brissette is playing and the

1591
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: progress that Drake May is making behind the scenes. If

1592
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: May isn't the week one starter. So but I think

1593
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 1: I always found this fascinating, you know, the older quarterback

1594
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: with the young draft pick, because to me, the lines

1595
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: get blurred because at the end of the day, they're

1596
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: competing against one another for the opportunity to play, and

1597
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: yet you're trying to help a guy that could take

1598
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 1: your job. I don't know, it just strikes I would

1599
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:22,560
Speaker 1: find that difficult.

1600
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 2: Here's the thing I'm this is one of the reasons

1601
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 2: why football is a special sport. You are not competing

1602
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 2: against a guy who's playing the same position as you

1603
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 2: in the regular season or the playoffs of an NFL season.

1604
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 2: You're his teammate. That decision is not made by either

1605
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 2: one of you. It's made by the coaching staff. You

1606
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 2: want you to be as good as you can get

1607
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: and be compensated for that. If you start competing against

1608
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 2: that guy, you start having a saboteur's mentality that is

1609
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 2: cancerous in a locker room.

1610
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: So so you don't think there's a way to be

1611
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:14,480
Speaker 1: competitive and not be a saboteur.

1612
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 2: So you don't think there's a way to be competitive

1613
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 2: and before him, not against him. Well, that's a tough

1614
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 2: question again philosophical here.

1615
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 1: The only thing you're against is him playing over a year.

1616
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 2: You're against him playing well better than you. That's what

1617
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 2: you're against. You can't have that mentality.

1618
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,799
Speaker 1: Rights what you can't, But you can't control how he plays.

1619
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 1: He plays, how he plays, and if you happen to

1620
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 1: play better, well sorry.

1621
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's but that's not where it stops. That's not

1622
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 2: where it stops. You want him to. You want to

1623
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 2: help him play as good as he can play, and

1624
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 2: if it's better than you, so be it. Because it's

1625
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 2: about your team winning. If you're not the best option.

1626
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 2: You got to be self aware and enough to say

1627
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 2: put him in because we can win with him, and

1628
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can with me. That's the

1629
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 2: hard thing, and that's what other players in individual sports

1630
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 2: can't get their mind around. That's why outside people media

1631
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 2: that never get that because they can't be selfless. They're

1632
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 2: selfish pigs and they think football players are too, and.

1633
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 1: They're not not always.

1634
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 2: To say not always, you have to be able to

1635
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 2: as a football player on a team when it's a

1636
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,679
Speaker 2: real team, to be for your teammates, whether they're better

1637
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 2: than you or worse than you. And if you can't

1638
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 2: do that, you're not the best teammate you can be.

1639
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 2: So it's a hard line to walk. It's hard because

1640
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 2: you got to think about them, them, them while you're

1641
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 2: trying to work to be as good as you you

1642
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 2: you can be, and it's it is a hard line

1643
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 2: to walk. But if you can't walk it, you're lying

1644
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 2: to yourself and your teammates.

1645
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 1: It's interesting.

1646
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 2: You can't be you can't think you're in competition against him,

1647
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 2: you're in competition with you.

1648
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Yes, that's an interesting way to look

1649
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 1: at it, and I don't know that I had seen

1650
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: it completely that way before. Thank you, Steve.

1651
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 2: There's no way. All right, we're gonna break I gotta.

1652
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 1: Break back in a second, all right.

1653
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 3: Here.

1654
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 1: On one of Bill's live last segment of the day,

1655
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: John on the tweet sheet says Tyrrell Shavers will be

1656
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: the number four. I don't know if he's gonna be

1657
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 1: the number four, but could be the five. That's it

1658
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: for us today. Maddie and I back out of training camp.

1659
01:29:53,280 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 1: Tomorrow F K Adams as well join us