1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on? Everybody? Welcome into a Wednesday edition 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: of Texans All Access. I'm your host, John Harris, and 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: we got some good stuff. We're gonna talk abut of 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay and the running backs here in this first segment, 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: my manager Doherty is gonna stop by for our in 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: the Lab podcast. If you missed it, man, well I 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: got you covered. But in the second segment, we're gonna 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: hear from a guy that I absolutely I love and 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: the door of this guy, I think he is what 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: a Houston Texan is all about. Came here in twenty 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: eleven as a free agent from the Cincinnati Bengals, and 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: I think he should go up in the Ring of Honor. 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: That sitting's out of my hands, but that's where I 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: stand on Jonathan Joseph. He stopped by to spend some 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: time with Mark Vandomir and that's gonna be a really 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: fun interview. So j Joe coming up in the next 17 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: segment with Mark Vandomir. You got me and Drew to 18 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: kick it off, and I'm not sure where the idea 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: came for this. Oh I do know Nick Ferguson, former Texan, 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: and Drew got to know each other when Nick was 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: here playing for the Texans, and we've been working on 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: a where Are They Now series throughout our department, And 23 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: so Drew talked to Sean Cody and he talked to 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: Nick Ferguson and they stayed in contact, especially when the 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: Texans signed Philip Lindsay and Ferguson was like, look this guy, 26 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: You're gonna really like this guy. We like him here 27 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: at Denver. I'm totally sure what's going on there, But 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: drafted Jim out Day Williams. I don't know. Maybe they 29 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: had an idea of they were gonna drafted out Day 30 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: Williams even before they got rid of or allowed Philip 31 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: Lindsay to walk a lot of things going on, who knows. 32 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: But Nick Ferguson's a big fan, is a big fan 33 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: of Philip Lindsay. So Drew, Dorry and I decided we 34 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: were going to talk about that, share Nick's thoughts, opine 35 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: on what Nick had to say. Here's a little hint. 36 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: I agree almost one hundred percent with what Nick I'd 37 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: say about Philip Lindsay. So here you go, Philip Lindsay 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: running backs, how it all goes together? In twenty twenty one, 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: it's time, and we're glad that it's time. This is 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: in the lab. I'm Drew, that's John and John. In 41 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: about a week or so, we're gonna be out on 42 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: the fields at the Houston Methodist Training Center across Kirby 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: from where we are now, which is an ERG stadium, 44 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: watching the Texans practice, and I'm excited about it. Saw 45 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: Nick As Sarrio in the building a moment ago. He 46 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: was taking a quick break to get water, because you know, 47 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: Nickos Sarrio doesn't really ever stop doing anything but hers properly, 48 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: and that's good. So it's good to see the GM 49 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: in the building. But hey, I can't wait to get 50 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: going because it's been It's it's always such a love offseason, 51 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, I am ready for the next 52 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: game when Week seventeen is finishing, or when the playoff 53 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: game whenever you lose in the playoffs, is I want 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: to play next week? And there's no next week for 55 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: about nine months most of the time, you know. Yeah, 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: and this offseason is I don't think I have to 57 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: tell anybody this offseason has been an interesting one on 58 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: many different levels. So not that training camp all sudden 59 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: wipes it all away or that feeling away or whatever. No, no, 60 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: but I mean if you think about man, think about 61 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: it from this perspective. Drew from March, middle of March 62 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. I'm sitting I'm in studio right now. I'm 63 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: in the ditch on the Texans radio studio. Or you 64 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: do a lot of work, and I remember being in here, 65 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: and I think you were in here, and they were 66 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: shutting the rodeo down, yeah, for COVID, And I remember 67 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: finishing up that week and my family was going to 68 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: the beach for a late spring break and that's when 69 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: full on COVID shutdowns was happening. The new NFL league 70 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: year was starting, and then it all started kind of 71 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: unraveling because the trade was made and and it's like, man, 72 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: from that point forward, it's been like, oh, I mean, 73 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: it feels sort of punching back ish, but really you 74 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: can rewind. You can really, you can rewind to the 75 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: kickoff after you go up twenty four nothing that kickoff 76 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: return that I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you're right, 77 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: but but you're right. I mean, it's it's been kind 78 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: of a you know, as Texas fans, you're just like, man, 79 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: where's the next punch coming. Actually keep going back and 80 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: back and yeah, yeah, so yeah, but yeah, and so 81 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: you fast forward to now and it's like, Okay, you've 82 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: gone through all that. You're still kicking. You still got 83 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: a squad ready to go. You got some new players 84 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: you should be excited about. You got some returners, you know, 85 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: coming back, not pottery kick returns altho. You do have 86 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: Andre Roberts coming in. But you've got guys that you'll 87 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: Larmy Tunsel's thought to be one of the top three 88 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: tackles in the league. You know, Zat Cunningham is one 89 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: of the top ten to twelve linebackers in the league. 90 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: So you've got you've got guys that you can be 91 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: very very excited about. And look, the quarterback situation is 92 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: gonna play out, and we'll let it play out and 93 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: react accordingly when it's done or there's guidance or whatever happens. 94 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: We have no idea. But I think that's part of 95 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: it too, Drews is there has been this kind of 96 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, I get asshole. I know 97 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: you do. Man, You're out and about and you see 98 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: people and I was actually getting my car service. This 99 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: is probably about a month ago, get my car service. 100 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and this guy can feel this guy 101 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: is staring at me, and I'm like, bro, what And 102 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: so I kind of looked up and when he saw 103 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: my eyes, he's like and I had my mask on. 104 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: He's like, you're you're John Harris, so the Texans, right, 105 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: and then of course you wanted to bend my ear 106 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: about about everything. Um, And he's like, so, so, what's 107 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: gonna happen? What's gonna happen. I'm like, I don't know, 108 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: and sort of tighter, saying I don't know. At least 109 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, we can start looking at this team and go, okay, 110 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: here's where my eyes are seeing on the football field. 111 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: And I trust my eyes more than anything else. I 112 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: can tell you what's happening on a football field, and 113 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: I feel good about that, and I feel good about 114 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: what's here. Okay, let's let's watch this team grow together 115 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: and see what happens. But it's just been you know, 116 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: when anything is so completely unknown, I mean, how do 117 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: you react? You just react with it. I don't know. 118 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: We'll see. I hate we'll see. I remember my mother 119 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: used to tell me that all the time. Mom, what 120 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, I would ask her, um, hey can we go? 121 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: Can we go to the mall? Because back then in 122 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: the eighties, going to the mall was cool thing. I 123 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: don't know, we'll see, like we'll see what like are 124 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: we to go? I mean, like, what's the deal? Maybe 125 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: he's a good answer to I integrate that. Adam and 126 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: my kids asked, we'll see and maybe I take turns. Listen, 127 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: they're great parental answers. Yeah, they buy the time a 128 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: good good we'll see good maybe to talk about. To 129 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: turn things back to the Texans at hand, Philip lindsay, 130 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: we'll see what he's gonna do. We'll see how much 131 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: the Texans are able to integrate him and do what 132 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: they want with him, because you know, last year at 133 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: Turf toe concussion knee injury kept him from from doing 134 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: what he would have liked to do, only get to 135 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: play in about eleven games. Still averaged four point three 136 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: a pop, picked up five hundred yards in the ground, 137 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: scored a touchdown. But before that, first two seasons in 138 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: the league, he cracks a thousand and I know a 139 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: thousand yards is not what a thousand yards used to be. 140 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: But when you're an undrafted rookie. That's a big deal. 141 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: Um and a guy that used to play here at 142 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: the safety spot two seasons. Nick Ferguson. I did a 143 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: fun interview with him about a week ago. He's one 144 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: of my favorite Texans that I've ever dealt with, just 145 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: kind of off the field. Good guy. Finished his ten 146 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: year career here, spent the bulk of it with the 147 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: Broncos in the mid Auts, and you know, he was 148 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: on some really good teams. In fact, in those ten 149 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: seasons that he played, he was only under five under 150 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: five hundred team once and that was in two thousand 151 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: and seven with the Broncos. Went five hundred or above 152 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: five hundred every other year that he played, but spent 153 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: his time there, most of it in Denver. Lives in Denver. 154 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: Now has done a coaching internship with the Broncos. Now 155 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: he's a sports talk radio host at nights on a 156 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: sports talk radio station in Denver. Been doing that a 157 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: while and he's seen just about every Philip Lindsay carry 158 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: over the last few years, and he and I keep 159 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: it touch via text via Twitter. He's always been high 160 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: on him when Lindsay was a Bronco, raved about his explosiveness, 161 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,599 Speaker 1: his kind of controlled violence is smart. He's want to 162 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: all that stuff. And he is very very much a 163 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay fans. So when the Texans signed Philip Lindsay, 164 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: he was bend in my ear immediately like he was 165 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: blowing me up. He's like, you guys got a good one. 166 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: This is gonna be good for the Texans. And he 167 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: has been very very vocal about Lindsay's pass catching and 168 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: you might hear that and go like, well, Nick, what 169 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: the hell are you talking about? Because Lindsey's only been 170 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: targeted forty seven times as a rookie, forty eight times 171 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: the next year in nineteen, and then only fourteen times 172 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: last year, so basically he gets targeted just under three 173 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: times per game. And he says, Ferguson says, well, that's Matt, 174 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: you need to target it more because if he gets 175 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: the ball out in space, he can me a mismatch 176 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: nightmare for linebackers. And he thinks the Texans need to 177 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: feed this guy in the passing game as well as 178 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: in the run game, because he thinks Lindsay can do 179 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: some really good things in that regard your safety yourself, 180 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: I think you and Nick would would have gotten along 181 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: grandly had you been here, then well, what do you 182 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: think of that when you hear what Ferguson's saying? Because 183 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: Nick's not just some dumb I mean, he actually knows 184 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: the game. He's coached, and he's watched this guy and 185 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: he understands what's going on. So I think it's kind 186 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: of intriguing when Nick says those things because by all accounts, 187 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: I think he's he's a razor sharp guy. What do 188 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: you think when you hear about Lindsay being integrated into 189 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: the passing game with what you've seen from him running 190 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: the ball those first two years, because you kind of 191 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: have to throw last year out, with all the injuries 192 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: and what was going on. I think it's a dead 193 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: on take, to be honest, And here's where you gotta be. 194 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: That's it. Careful. But when you're looking at a running back, 195 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: you know the old days, I mean, you know, come 196 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: back to the days. I remember by nineteen eight he's 197 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: running backs and running twenty five times a game. That 198 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: doesn't happen anymore. Yeah, you don't have guys running about 199 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: twenty five times a game. If you get guys in 200 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: the twenty to twenty two carries a game. That status, 201 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: that's that's pretty good. I mean, you know, Derrick Henry 202 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: carries it a lot. He carries it a lot, and 203 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: he needs you need to give him that. I mean, 204 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: he's right because he's he's the focal point. He's the 205 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: focal point of that offense. So you know, Derrick Henry 206 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: carried it three hundred and seventy eight times last year, 207 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: which is it's an enormous, enormous number, and they just 208 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: kept feeding him and feeding him and feeding him. Now, 209 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: if I did a quick math, that's two three. That's 210 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: twenty three carries a game. And on the flip side, 211 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: he had only nineteen receptions. Unfortunately, the longest receptions he 212 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: had were against us. But that's nineteen receptions last year 213 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: and he's never been that was his highest number of receptions. 214 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: So he had three hundred and ninety seven touches. That's 215 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: the number one back in the league. My point in 216 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: all that is, I think that Philip, I think there's 217 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: there's a level of diminishing returns. I think the more 218 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: that you use Philip, like if you if you're giving 219 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: him the ball twenty times a game and then targeting 220 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: him four or five times and he's catching or four 221 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: of those you're talking, you know, that's Derrick Henry touched territory. 222 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: But I think his rookie year, yeah, one hundred ninety 223 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: two rushes. That's twelve carries a game, only played fifteen games, 224 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: but it's like somewhere between twelve to fourteen carries. He 225 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: caught thirty seven or sorry, thirty five passes, so that's 226 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: about two and a half somewhere two and a half three. 227 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: That's like sixteen to seventeen touches, and that's a sweet 228 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: spot I think for him, I think exactly. And people ask, well, 229 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: why why did you go and get four running backs 230 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: for this particular reason? Because I think there is a 231 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: law of diminishing returns in some sense for guys. Okay, 232 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: well he averages five and a half carries for his 233 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: first two hundred attempts, Well give it to him again, 234 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: another hundred carries. He's gonna be fighting. No, I don't 235 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: think so. I think that's gonna diminish over time. So 236 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: I feel like his rookie year is maybe the best 237 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: example of him at his best because he had the 238 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: same number of receptions as a rookie as a second 239 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: year guy. But he had thirty two more carries, but 240 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: he actually carried it less. His average went down. He 241 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: went from a five point four yards per attempt average 242 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: to four point five. And that's what I like looking 243 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: at its yards per attempt average. That yards per attempt 244 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: number is when I look at at five point four, 245 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: that's pretty are good if you get that even his 246 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: middle year, a second year at four and a half, 247 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: Philip Lindsey carries it one hundred and thirty times at 248 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: four and a half yards per pop. Talking about a 249 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: guy that's that's six hundred plus seven hundred plus yards, Well, 250 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: I guess it's seventeen game season, so six eighty you're 251 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: talking about seven hundred and fifty rushing yards. Just in 252 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: that it's a productive year. That's a that's a very 253 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: very productive year. From that perspective. I know my math 254 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: is probably not not great. But if you give it 255 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: to him, if you'll say it this way, you give 256 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: it to him ten times a game for seventeen games, 257 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: you're talking about seven hundred fifty yards on a season, 258 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: and he's probably gonna catch two or three passes. That's 259 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: thirteen twelve to thirteen touches a game. That's how I 260 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: think about it. Now, how many of those touches is 261 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: he gonna get out in space? Toss sweeps, swing routes 262 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: out of the backfield, you know, circle routes, you know, 263 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: pass routes, versus gap play, power play, running the ball inside, 264 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: cutting back on a wide zone, whatever the case might be. 265 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: Where he's got to he's got to handle the big 266 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: dudes inside. So that I think is where Nick brings 267 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: up a great point, and that is I'd like to 268 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: get him outside, get him to space. And I did 269 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: a I did a tell straighter on a run that 270 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: he had. It was his only touchdown run of the 271 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: year against the LA Chargers, and it was one of 272 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: those in which he created his own space. And it 273 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: was it was really a play in which Kenneth Murray, 274 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: the rookie linebacker for the Chargers here out of Elkins 275 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: with Oklahoma, was standing in the gap, standing in a hole, 276 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: and Lindsay basically froze him, read the blocking scheme, got 277 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: behind his guard, and then that guard was eventually able 278 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: to get Murray, you know, knocked off a little bit, 279 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: and Lindsay then goes through untouched. Those are I mean, 280 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: those are tremendous. Now you don't go inside, run a 281 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: lot and not get touched. But that's what ended up 282 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: in a touchdown. When he gets space, he's extremely difficult 283 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: to stop because he doesn't have to break down on you. 284 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: You know, pitter pat the feet and the figure out. 285 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: He's gonna put his foot in the ground like Arian 286 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: used to put his foot in the ground and go 287 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: you're going left, I'm going right, you're going right. I'm 288 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: going left. And he's not stopping. And I love that 289 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: in a running back, and I think that's what Lindsay 290 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: has so to me, there's there's a lot of nat 291 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: involved in all the things that we're kind of talking about. 292 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: But having four running backs at a minimum, having four guys, 293 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: four veterans, I think you allow all of them to 294 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: be at max level the majority, if not all the season. 295 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: You don't have to ask one of those running backs. Look, 296 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: you're the guy carry it twenty times today. You don't 297 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: have you don't have to. You don't have to, And 298 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: I think that ends up being being a good thing. 299 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: Lindsay gets ten carries, Johnson gets ten to twelve, your 300 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: mark Ingram gets seven to eight. I mean, however, you 301 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,479 Speaker 1: want to split it up, and I like that concept. 302 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: I just think with Philip Lindsay, you've got that opportunity 303 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: to get him the ball in different ways. The same 304 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: with David Johnson, I really do. I mean, you can't 305 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: even throw out the mark ingram too. The passing game 306 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: with these running backs, I think could be could be 307 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: very very interesting and really allowed Trod Taylor to do 308 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: some different things, like they were able to take use 309 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: and make use of Aston Eckler, you know, out with 310 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: the Chargers. You know, Tyr only have one game with him, 311 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: but that's you know, they used Austeckly that way. I 312 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: think that's where these bats can be used too. And 313 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: that's that's talk right now. That's in a vacuum because 314 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: obviously you gotta have your defense doing what it needs 315 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: to do, taking you from having to play from behind 316 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: and thrown too much. So yeah, there's a lot that 317 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: goes into it. You know that, I know that. But 318 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: we don't want fans to think that we're guaranteeing that 319 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: the Texans are gonna just you know, have five guys 320 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: getting six hundred yards apiece. This year. We love that, 321 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, but there's a lot of good a lot 322 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: that goes into but I was very intrigued by Nick 323 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: and what he said and how he was explaining things, 324 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: and he just thinks the guy needs the opportunity, He 325 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: just needs them the touches for that to happen out 326 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: of the passing game, because we saw what he did 327 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: on the ground as a rookie, and that was three 328 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: or four years ago. But it's very intriguing and it's 329 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: something that I'm definitely gonna keep my eyes on in 330 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: the preseason and then once the regular season gets going, 331 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: because it's gonna be here soon. Man, it's gonna be well, 332 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting you bring it up, Drew. I 333 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: went back and I watched um I pulled between a 334 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: nineteen game and the Cardinals and Seahawks, and my premise 335 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: was to watch Justin Britt from Seattle and see, you know, 336 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: just kind of get a little bit more of a 337 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: gauge on what I had seen back when we signed 338 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: him and go back and watch him again. And it's 339 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: interesting because he talked about wrestling in his offseason media 340 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: session and you really can you really can see it. 341 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: You really can see it. Guys that wrestled, you can 342 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: see it. You can watch a guy and go, yeah, 343 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: that guy wrestled. You just know the offshoot of that was. 344 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: And I wasn't really gonna pay too much attention to 345 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: the Cardinals offense. But there's David Johnson, and I'm watching 346 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: David Johnson. I'm seeing him like whoa, And I was 347 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: kind of fast forwarding, but I got to the point 348 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: where I kind of stopped and it just so happened 349 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: to be the next play and I was watching there's David. 350 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: They gave it to him on a on an outside zone, 351 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: he cuts it back, he ends up, you know, making 352 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: a cut, and boy where he goes. Then a few 353 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: plays later they throw them a little circle route over 354 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: the over the center, and I'm like, wow, look at 355 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 1: I mean, you just I mean, I know it's twenty nineteen. 356 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: Look I mean, I get it is it's still a 357 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and right back years two years 358 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: ago might as well be eight years ago. But watching 359 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: David again, I was like, man, there's something there with 360 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: David Johnson as well. But like I've said many times, 361 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: and you and I have said this, gotta use him 362 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: in the right and proper way. Yeah, And I think 363 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: that's gonna end up being key, and I think it's 364 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: key for the for all these running backs. And look, 365 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: you're not gonna do everybody right on the offense. You're 366 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to use every single player on 367 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: the offense the exact way that every player feels like, well, 368 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: this is me and my best It just it can't 369 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: happen that way. But the more guys that you can 370 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: get at that particular level to be able to use 371 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: in a proper way. And I think that's where running 372 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: backs kind of come in. I think these guys now 373 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: moving on another year a little bit older, they don't 374 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: they don't need I mean, David Johnson doesn't need twenty 375 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty sixteen production with the Cardinals. He doesn't need that. 376 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: They don't need that. So I think you can use 377 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: him in the right way. Philip lindsay the same thing. 378 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: I think you can use him in the in the 379 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: right improper way. Receivers, Brandy Cooks, there's ways you can 380 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: use him, these tight ends. How do you use these guys. 381 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: That's where Tim Kelly and his offensive staff have really 382 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, how do we make sure that we're using 383 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: these guys in the right way? And I always go 384 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: back to Lamar Miller, and you and I have talked 385 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: about this. Lamar was a Lamborghini Ferrari and when he 386 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: got here, he was kind of pigeonholed into being an 387 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: F one fifty and everybody kind of knocked, you know, Lamar, Oh, 388 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: he's not this, he's not that. It was like, yeah, 389 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: but imagine if you imagine if you were a chef. 390 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: And then they said, okay, go and farm, and it's 391 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: the Mitch Hedberg joke. Go on and farm and raise 392 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: all your vegetables and do all those things and then 393 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: come in and cook it all and make us all happen. 394 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: I mean, that's essentially what they were asking to do, 395 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: and that was not his thing. So maximizing what it 396 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: is these backs can do what the receivers are great at, 397 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: and with these tight ends, how that makes them go together. 398 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: That's gonna be the chance for this offensive staff. But 399 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm hoping at least the running backs they're gonna be 400 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: able to take this group and maximize them just by 401 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: sharing the load, both passing and running well put. And 402 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: speaking of Mitch Hedberg, have you ever noticed I haven't 403 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: said this in a long time, and ask this a 404 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: long time noticed that dogs are always in the push 405 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: up position. That's very good. I went to the doctor 406 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: the other day. Do not go see doctor ku Love. 407 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: I could do this all day with Mitchedburgh jokes man, 408 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: I could go. I could go all day. Ducks eat 409 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: for free at Subway. That's my favorite. Ducks eat for 410 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: free at subway. So you got Nick Ferguson, you got 411 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: a running back talk, and you got a couple of 412 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: free be metch Mitch Hedberg jokes at the very end, 413 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: how you like them apples? Well? How do you like 414 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: these apples? Coming up next? Jonathan Joseph, long time corner 415 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: for your Houston Texans, maybe the smartest football player I'd 416 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: ever been around. And I'm not just the only I'm 417 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: not the only person to say that. There have been 418 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: plenty of people that had backed that up. DeAndre Hopkins 419 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: and Shawn Watson, all these players that we talked over 420 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: the years, when we talked about who's the guy, who's 421 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: that guy you go talk to on the sidelines. It 422 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: wasn't a coach, it wasn't a staffer. It was Jonathan Joseph. Well, 423 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: j Joe joins us next right here on Texans All 424 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: Access since all Access. Since All Access welcome back. This 425 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: wasn't an issue of Texans All Access. I'm your host, 426 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: John Harris, football analyst, sideline reporter, and draft expert guru. 427 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: However you want to look at me back in two 428 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: thousand and six, I think it was trying to figure 429 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: out what I was going to say about a guy 430 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: that was really kind of popping on radar screens and 431 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: his name is Fred Bennett. University of South Carolina had 432 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: seen him play a little bit like, Okay, man, this 433 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: this guy, Fred Bennett's got a little something. I think 434 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a fun watch. And you go to 435 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: watch him and then you're like, wait a second, who's 436 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: that guy, who's the other guy? Who's that guy on 437 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: the other side. Well, he was a Juco transfer and 438 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: his name was Jonathan Joseph and lo and behole. Joseph 439 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: would end up being drafted in the first round by 440 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals spin I believe it was five years 441 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: with the Bengals and then spent the majority of his career. 442 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: The majority of the rest of his career with the 443 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: Houston Texans. Went to Pro Bowl twice with the Texas. 444 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: With those two good teams in twenty eleven, twenty twelve, 445 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: and was always the sage wise Yoda if you will. 446 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: I think there were times he probably maybe maybe bristoled 447 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: that a little bit because it made it sound like 448 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: he was old, but it wasn't really that. It was 449 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: just he was so good in understanding the game. I 450 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: remember we were in Denver twenty eighteen. Yeah, it was 451 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: the Man's Miss twenty eighteen streets going on. He doesn't 452 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: play that game because he'd been dealing with like a 453 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: grade two or grade three hamstring poll. I'm not sure. 454 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: I can't remember. I can't remember when it comes to 455 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: whichever the more serious one is, where there's grade one 456 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: or grade three. He was dealing with that, and he 457 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: just he played, you know, injured so often, played hurt 458 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 1: so often, but this one he just it was just 459 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: not gonna happen. He came rolling by me at halftime 460 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: and without even just kind of missing a beat, he 461 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: just dropped like four or five nuggets on me, going 462 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like John to write things down after 463 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: he walked past, because it was just it was great stuff, 464 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: and he was like that with everybody. Such a fun 465 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: guy to have around, such a valuable guy to have around, 466 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: and he came up then RG Standing the other day 467 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: and had a chance to sit out with the voice 468 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: of the Texans, our good friend Mark Vanderby. Here's Jay 469 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: Joe with Mark joining us right now in Texans Radio. 470 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: It's Jonathan Joseph Texans legend. And I mean that in 471 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: every sense of the word, not just the NFL branded 472 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: legends former player with but you are a Texans legend, Jonathan. 473 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: How does it feel to be back in the building. 474 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: It's a unique feeling. Obviously, you know it'd be back 475 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: as a formal player, as a legend, as you said, 476 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: but I think you know it's blessed to be in 477 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: this position again, and you know, obviously seeing it from 478 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: the other side, getting a different perspective on things, not 479 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: as a player, as a formal player, it'd be interesting. 480 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: And obviously you know, I have nothing but time on 481 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: my hands, so looking forward to it. What is it 482 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: like to have nothing but time on your hands these days? 483 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: It's different, you know, because when you're playing, you in 484 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: a set schedule, so you know, you know, at eight o'clock, 485 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: I have this workout ten to thirty, I have to 486 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: be here twelve I have to be here and so 487 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: on and so on. Now it's pretty much you're doing 488 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: everything around your kids' schedule because you know, they're involved 489 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: in sports, school activities and different things. So for me, 490 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: it's more so about, you know, what my wife have 491 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: on the schedule for them that I have to plan 492 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: my schedule around. So getting used to that. But it's 493 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: fun and interesting. I'm enjoying it. Take me through some 494 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: of the memories here. What stands out to you. I'm 495 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: not gonna ask you what's your favorite one, but what 496 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: are two or three of the favorite memories you have 497 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: as a Houston Texas player. Oh, man, I think one 498 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: of those memories had to be pick six and gets 499 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, just you know, turning point in the game, 500 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: big player in the game, just the energy in the crowd, 501 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: the way everyone was going here. Man, thinking back, you know, 502 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: nine years is a long time to be with one 503 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: team in one organization, so we had so much good, 504 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: you know time during that time. It's kind of hard 505 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: to think because you don't want to leave some significant playout, 506 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: but you know, um, had it been in those early years, 507 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: my first couple of years here, man, just you know, 508 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: the way we were rolling and playing, you know, twelve 509 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: and four, eleven and five, thirteen and three, it was 510 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: just unbelievable, just you know, to put their winning streak 511 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: we had that one year. What it was it nine 512 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: in the or eight or something like nine in a row. 513 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: You know, just moments like that. That's harder doing football. 514 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: So you think back on moments like that. You know, um, 515 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: then you get too late in your real way you 516 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: make a play to win the Buffalo Bills game and 517 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: things like that. You know, so just being able to 518 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: do it with different guys throughout different times in your career, 519 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: but you know, under the same uniform means a lot 520 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: in the same building. You know, when you got here 521 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: and you paired up with Kareem in twenty eleven, and 522 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: Kareem was drafted the year before. His career changed the defense, 523 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: chance chance chanting in the secondary with you. Obviously Watt 524 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: was drafted that year, but things really started to change. 525 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: But you were instantly a leader. You're only in year 526 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: five I think at the time when you got here, 527 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: but you already had this experience and this ability to 528 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: mentor younger players. Where does that come from? Do you think? 529 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: What do you attribute that too. I think just obviously 530 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: when I got to the league, I was one of 531 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: the younger guys obviously with the draft, but we had 532 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: a very heavy, dominant veteran team in Cincinnati. You are 533 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: across there. You had Carson Palmas, the quarterback, Rudy Johnson, 534 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: the running back, Levi Jones, Willie Anderson, right tackle, Reggie Kelly, 535 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 1: TJ Who's Wan's out of Brian Simmons, you know, just 536 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: all those guys, Brian Robertson, Justin Smith from the forty 537 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: nine ers, but du was Super Bowl MVP, Dexter Jackson. 538 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: So just all those guys and I walk in the 539 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: locker room, I'm like, wow. When they talked, I listened. 540 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: But they always try to guide me the right way 541 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: and teach me the right things and make me do 542 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: it the right way. And it paid off dividends for me. 543 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: I've seen my game take off to a whole different 544 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: level just by you know, listens to different guys, taking 545 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: different information and applying to myself. And I always knew 546 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: when I got to that stage, and early on in 547 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: my career, Marvin pulled me aside and gave me a 548 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: pep talk, you know about being a leader, about taking 549 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: guys under your wing and helping younger guys out and 550 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: things like that, and we did it in Cincinnati. My 551 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: third year, I was a co MVP with Leon Hall, 552 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: who was a year younger, and we kind of took 553 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: over that defense was the older guys because Geno Atkins, 554 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: Carlos Dunlap, all those guys were young. Ray Malaluka, those 555 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: guys were young. We were the veteran guys on that defense, 556 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: not particularly the team, so we were the leaders on 557 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: the pond that So when I got here to Houston, 558 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: we had all those guys on that defense, Cannaball, Brian Cushion, 559 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: Sean Cody was an older guy, but Tonio Smith, Mario Williams. 560 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: So it was just natural to fit right in and 561 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: just be myself being, you know, obviously a confident guy 562 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 1: that I'm able to go out and showcase my skills, 563 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: but at the same time have confidence enough to help 564 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: the next man out who's maybe fighting from my spot, 565 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: maybe in the same room with me, but at the 566 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,959 Speaker 1: same time we're trying to win as the team. So 567 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: I've always looked at as you only as good as 568 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: the last man on the roster. Jonathan Joseph joining us. 569 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: What always struck me about you is you always seem 570 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: to play no matter what the injury situation was, and 571 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: it would take a lot to make you not play. 572 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: In fact, several times I thought you were not going 573 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: to come back into a game because you were being 574 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: looked at or whatever, and the official word was returned questionable. 575 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: Usually when that happens, questionable beings out, but you would 576 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: come back. So what about that part of your game, Jonathan? 577 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: Being able to play through injuries. And I know some 578 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: are worse than others, obviously, I think you build it 579 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: up somewhere. I don't know where it throughout your career, 580 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: where you make your mind up certain things ain't gonna 581 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: bother you as much and you have to play through something, 582 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: have to play through pain. You know, I was young. 583 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: I remember going up for a duncan Au basketball tournament 584 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: and the guy, you know, my finger was kind of 585 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: still bent now, but I've bent in on the rim 586 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: and right there and there, I just popped it right 587 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: back in place, immediately went to the free throw line, 588 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: knocked both down and just kept playing and didn't think 589 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: about it as much. But now look later on into life, 590 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: in a career, and a coach like Marvin Lewis, we 591 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: had several talks told me that it was a difference 592 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 1: between being injured and being hurt. And you know, as 593 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: I got older, I understand that. Early on in my career, 594 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: I was still kind of thinking, like, what are he 595 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: talking about hurting? But you know, if I'm able to go, 596 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: you know my eighty five percent maybe better than the 597 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: next man. And you think about that. Sometimes they're like, wow, 598 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: guy's gonna actually say that, But hey, that's the way 599 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: the NFL is as a business and guys are professionals. 600 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, if I'm able 601 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: to go, my teammates are relying on me, I'm not 602 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: gonna let those guys down. You come into the league 603 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: with all sorts of great athletic ability and you lit 604 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: it up at the combine and everything like that. But 605 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: you're a rookie, then you're a second year guy, and 606 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: as you go on through your career, Jonathan, at what 607 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: point does it become where, hey, I know what's gonna 608 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: go out of that backfield, I know what the quarterback's 609 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: gonna do, or I've a pretty good guess. Anyway, a 610 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: pretty educated guest, When did you get really comfortable mentally 611 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: with the whole thing? How many years does that take? 612 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: I think it takes about two years. And truthfully, getting 613 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: the right information from the right coaches, you know, that's 614 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: helping you slow the game down and see the big 615 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: picture of the game. And I think I was blessed 616 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: in my career to be around several coaches, but the players, 617 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: but Mike Mike Zimmer, and Mike Zimmer played college quarterback 618 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: and he's seen things from the other side. Obviously been 619 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, He's his IQ is off the charts, 620 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: but playing quarterback gives him a different perspective because he 621 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: likes to think like the quarterback. And for me, as 622 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: a defensive back, I've always thought how the quarterback would think, 623 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: so I looked at it through that set of eyes. 624 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: So when I watch film, I'm just thinking, what are 625 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: they're trying to do, Why they're moving the ball on 626 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: this hash, why they have this formation set, or when 627 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: they motion it becomes this, And just watching it over 628 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: and over and over to the pitch of slows down 629 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: and I can see it clear. And when I got 630 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: hurt in two thousand and eight, broke my foot. I 631 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: went home, went to my mom's basement, and I watched 632 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: every game on Sunday, every game that I was having 633 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: on the ticket on TV, just back and forth, and 634 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: what I was doing was just catching onto the same routines. 635 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: Oh they got near with this, they're running this, and 636 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: it was team out, the team at the team, and 637 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: that just gave me even more confidence. What I'm seeing 638 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: is I can believe it and take it to the game. Wow, 639 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: that's awesome stuff. Now, offensive players, not only your defensive 640 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: teammates over the years, but offensive teammates have come to 641 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: you for advice. How flattering is that when an offensive 642 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: player wants to know, Hey, what are you seeing out there? 643 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: How could I get better? Or what are what am 644 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: I missing? As an offensive player? How does that make 645 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: you feel? I think it makes me feel great, you know, 646 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: because they put the trust in me to get the 647 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: right information. And you know, for me, I've always a guy. 648 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: When I get beat on the play, I like to 649 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: know what a guy did or how did I get beat, 650 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, because I can learn from it, and no 651 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: matter what the situation is. I asked a receiver at 652 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: the time, Hey, what did you do right there? What 653 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: did you see to make you do that? To me? 654 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: And I would always tell those guys if I anticipate something, 655 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: to jump something what I've seen. Even though we're competing, 656 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying to help you out get better also for 657 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: yourself individually and like I said before, the team. So 658 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: for me, it was always just by pulling the guy 659 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: to the side and just the small details because at 660 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: this level, everybody's good, so it's the small things that 661 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: separate you and a lot of guys don't see it. 662 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: And giving guys confidence to believe in their abilities. Like 663 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: you talked about Kareem. Me and Kareem are two totally 664 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: different athletes, so the way he's going to play things 665 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: and not going to be the same way as me, right, 666 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: and just letting the guy understand that, and that's okay 667 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: because we're all out here just to make plays and 668 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: do your job. What about coaching, because I know everybody 669 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 1: must to ask you this question, So would you do it? 670 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: How do you feel about it? What are your words 671 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: on that? Honestly, I don't know, because you know, as 672 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: a player totally different from being a coach. You know, 673 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: like you said before, helping guys out doing this and that. 674 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: But as a coach, it is a totally commitment. It's 675 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: totally different. You know. As a player, I still as 676 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: a player, then I get to help out, but I'm 677 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: not a full time coach, so I haven't had a chance. 678 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: You know, when Mike Frabel was here, he would let 679 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: me call to play sometimes on Saturday night in the 680 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: defensive meeting room and things like that. So I've always 681 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: had no feel for things like that in the interest, 682 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: but I haven't put much thought into it because when 683 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 1: I was playing the game, I was always just putting 684 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: so much time into the game. I didn't think about, man, 685 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: since I'm done, what would I do this or that. 686 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: I just had to love for the game. So anytime 687 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm around, I just always want to be involved. So 688 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: whatever that takes me to. You know, I'm all open 689 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: forward to half one hundred percent commitment, but you know 690 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't know right now. Well that's where we'll leave it. That, Jonathan, 691 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: thanks so much for being with us, No problem, Thank you. Mark. 692 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: I am absolutely thoroughly convinced that man could do anything 693 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: how to do a football. He would do a business side, 694 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: He could being a business out side, he could be 695 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: on the football oup side. He could coach, he could scout, 696 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: he could mentor he could do anything. He would be 697 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: a fabulous addition to Texans in some way, shape or 698 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: form or back where he's from in rock Hill. I 699 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: know his family is all here in Houston. Hopefully he 700 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: stays here in Houston and the Houston area and can 701 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: be with the Texans. Man. He would be someone I 702 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: would want. I'm creating my own coaching staff and I 703 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: got two people I want on it. Jonathan Joseph's one 704 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: of them. There's another one who I would absolutely wanted 705 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: that coaching staff that I'm putting together, But that'll be 706 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: for a different day in time. How about that? All right, 707 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: we get back, we'll go around the league. Plenty of 708 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: things happening, as every getting about that much closer. I 709 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: think a few teams are reporting this week. Some rookies 710 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: are already in camp in certain places. So we'll talk 711 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: about all that's going on in the NFL next right 712 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 1: here on Texans All excess sins, all excess it sins. 713 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: All We got on fast slaying with this Wednesday edition 714 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: of Texans All Access. So glad to be with you. 715 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: I am John Harris Football analyst, sideline reporter for your 716 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: Houston Texans and throughout the year, outside of Texans games, 717 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: we have an opportunity with the Texas kickoff to kick 718 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: off the season in the Battle of Pining Woods, and 719 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: then of course the Texas ball at the end of 720 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: the year. We have some tremendous college football that comes 721 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: through our stadium and comes through our city. So college 722 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: football is a I mean, it's I'm not overstating it's 723 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: saying it's a big thing. I mean, honestly, I'm on 724 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 1: the radio today because of my love for college football 725 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: and all the college football, all the radio I did 726 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: all college football really before the Texans became a thing 727 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: here in Houston, kind of in between the others and 728 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: the Texans. So college football is a big deal. And 729 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, let's go around the league, 730 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: the NFL and take a detour, if you will, towards 731 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: college football. Because a massive realignment bomb was dropped today 732 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: by our buddy Brent Zwernemann for the Houston Chronicle, Texas 733 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: and Oklahoma reach out to the SEC about joining the conference. Now, 734 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: realignment in college football really kind of went to a 735 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: fever pitch back in twenty ten. I think it was 736 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: my buddy Chip Brown, who now writes for Horns twenty 737 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: four seven dropped the bomb about Texas and Oklahoma, A 738 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: and M and I can't remember who else, but essentially 739 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: the powers that be in the Big twelve merging with 740 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: the PAC ten to create this super conference, the PAC sixteen. 741 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: And I remember that was content fodder for days like 742 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: oh Man, Texas and USC and the same conference, A 743 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: and M and UCLA in the same conference. Wow, this 744 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: would be unbelievable. Then things kind of went crazy that 745 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: didn't come to fruition. Texas created a Longhorn network. A 746 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: and M said we're bouncing, We're going to the SEC, 747 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: which I thought was a tremendous move for A and M. 748 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: And then all this re alignment took place. You saw 749 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,720 Speaker 1: the Big East come and go, the AC become created 750 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: Boise State out in Idaho. The Far West was going 751 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: to join the Big East and the ACS and the AC. 752 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: It was a mess. And then finally they got to 753 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: a point where it's like enough, leave it where it is. Stop. Well, 754 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: just yesterday I was on with my buddy's David un 755 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: You know, tex SAgs for people who don't know, I've 756 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: I've done I've done a thing with Texas. I've done 757 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: radio with Texas since twenty fourteen, and I've you know, 758 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: so I've I've talked a lot about different things. Well, 759 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, I was on with David and he was 760 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: at the SEC Media Days. He was asking me what 761 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: I thought about the comments of Greg Sanky, the SEC Commissioner, 762 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: and what he had to say, And essentially, Sanky didn't 763 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: say anything about realignment, but what he did mention essentially 764 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,959 Speaker 1: was a shot across about the NCAA, and that was, look, 765 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: we've been kind of bound down to all the smaller schools. 766 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: We might just take our ball and go home. Well, 767 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: this story from Brent came out on Wednesday. Well, and 768 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,959 Speaker 1: that interview, I was talking about a number of things 769 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: that Sanky might be referring to, and then I said, 770 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: right at the very end, just a hunch. I just said, 771 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, David, I don't know that this whole conference 772 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: realignment stuff is over either. It's been dormant for a 773 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: long time. I think there could be something cooking. Story 774 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 1: today from Brent. Texas and Oklahoma have reached out to 775 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: the SEC about potentially joining the powerful league it would 776 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: make the SEC a sixteen team lead. My guess is 777 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: they would do to eighteam divisions. I guess Texas and 778 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: Oklahoma would potentially I was thinking out loud here, Texas 779 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: Oklahoma would join the SEC West, So you would have Texas, Ou, Alabama, Auburn. Well, 780 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: you probably have to move a couple to the east, 781 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: so I'm not totally sure, but you'd have a m 782 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: Oklahoma and Texas back into division. Now, as a college 783 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: football fan, I love it. I love it. There's a 784 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: lot of business things to consider with this, but in 785 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: Brent's article he said this, and I thought this is 786 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: pretty interesting. An announcement could be made within a couple 787 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: of weeks concerning the potential edition of Texas and Oklahoma 788 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: to the SEC that would give it a SEC sixteen schools, 789 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: maybe the first of a national super conference. We have 790 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 1: said for a long time. I've said for a long time, 791 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: I feel like we're going to four sixteen team super conferences, 792 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 1: and that's where we're headed. If these sixteen teams are 793 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: what make up the SEC. See, oh my gosh, it 794 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: is the super conference. And I don't even know that 795 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: anything else gets close. I guess the big ten at 796 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: that point, presumably snatches up Iowa State, trying to think 797 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: who else? Maybe Kansas, Kansas State, I mean from basketball perspective, 798 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: getting Kansas a big deal. I don't know, but this 799 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:25,359 Speaker 1: could be the first Domino to fall in a four conference, 800 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: four sixteen team conference idea super conference thing going on 801 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: I called football. This is This is massive news and 802 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 1: it's really I don't know if it caught everybody off guard, 803 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 1: but when this dropped, the SEC media day is still 804 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 1: going on, so all of a sudden, people are scramming 805 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: whiley're at SEC media days, and I've seen that happen 806 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: when there's been news dropped and people are calling sources, Hey, 807 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 1: I'm calling this guy, calling that guy. Anybody that I've 808 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: seen on Twitter today that has been interviewed has not 809 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 1: refuted this statement. Oklahoma State, on the other hand, is 810 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 1: p owed. They put down a statement that was not 811 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 1: very nice about things. So yeah, this is going to 812 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: be definitely one to watch. Potentially Oklahoma Texas moving to 813 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: the SEC either way by twelve min s to see 814 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: our partners of the Texas Bowl, so we kind of 815 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: win either way in some sense. But this for college 816 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: football would be unbelievable. It would be incredible. So there 817 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: you go, and hopefully this show is incredible. Thanks to Jjoe, 818 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: to Mark, to Drew, to all of you for listening. 819 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: We'll see him everybody and has always go Texans,