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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up straight Firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight

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Speaker 2: Fire for Thursday, January sixteenth.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we got another good one today.

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Speaker 2: It's been a good week so far, and the good

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Speaker 2: times keep rolling. We got Dan Woke in USA Today Sports.

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Speaker 2: For some reason, he's polarizing. People enjoy his stuff or

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Speaker 2: they just don't like him. I guess that's what happened.

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Speaker 2: When you cover college sports, you know, college fan base

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Speaker 2: is a rabbit. You say one negative thing about it,

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Speaker 2: one fan about a team, and all of a.

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Speaker 3: Sudden, you hate them.

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Speaker 2: But Dan's got great insight into the Notre Dame, Ohio

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Speaker 2: State matchup. We talked some macro issues in college football.

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Speaker 2: Is the SEC done or is this just a down

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Speaker 2: year for quarterback play in the SEC? Quin yours mild

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Speaker 2: surprise going to the NFL could have gone the three

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Speaker 2: teams I heard that were in the mix. We're Oregon,

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame, and Michigan State. We're chasing yours. And I

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Speaker 2: haven't got clarity on why he picked the NFL because

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Speaker 2: as of right now, he's not gonna be a first

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Speaker 2: round pick. Now that could change during the process. But

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Speaker 2: there's a weird thing that I've been working on for

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Speaker 2: doing another mock draft for Fox Sports and reaching out

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Speaker 2: to people. It seems like the middle class, if you will,

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Speaker 2: of quarterbacks is just is not happening.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to the draft.

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Speaker 2: You're either a first round pick or you're like a fourth, fifth, sixty, seventh,

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Speaker 2: Second and third round picks are starting. Teams were just

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Speaker 2: being like, yeah, if we don't love you, we're just

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Speaker 2: we're not taking a flyer on you. And I did

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Speaker 2: some looking into in recent years, and it seems like

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Speaker 2: by and large, this whole second round, third round in

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Speaker 2: the last five let me see here, Yeah, going back

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Speaker 2: to twenty nineteen, there has been one quarterback taken in

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Speaker 2: the second, third, or fourth round who has become a

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Speaker 2: starter in the NFL. And I'm not talking about Davis

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not talking.

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Speaker 2: About Desmond Ritter's start, like he's not a starter. The

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Speaker 2: guy is Jalen Hurts. He was the second round pick

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Speaker 2: of the Eagles coming out of Oklahoma at Slash Alabama.

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Speaker 2: But otherwise, here are the second and third round picks

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Speaker 2: going back to twenty nineteen. So last year there were none,

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Speaker 2: no quarterbacks elected second or third round. Remember six I believe.

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Speaker 3: In the first round.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three had Will Levis, who is clearly not

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Speaker 2: third rounders, Ritter Malik Willis, Matt Corral in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: second round in twenty one, Kyle Trask he ain't it,

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Speaker 2: third round, Kellen Mond, Davis Mills in twenty twenty was Hurts,

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Speaker 2: nobody in the third, and then in twenty nineteen Drew

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Speaker 2: it's it's feast or famine at the quarterback position. Now, yes,

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Speaker 2: you'll have a Rock Purty slip through the cracks. I

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Speaker 2: saw a stat that last year in the Divisional round,

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Speaker 2: it was Brock Purty. Well, this year there are seven

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Speaker 2: first round quarterbacks and Jalen Hurts the second rounder. So

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Speaker 2: we're starting to see like either love you or they don't.

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't seem like they like yours. It seems

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Speaker 2: like they do like Jalen Milroe and Anyways, the act

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Speaker 2: directors coming up, and without further ado, let's just get

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Speaker 2: into it. Here's Dan Wilkin previewing Ohio State Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: He's a USA Today sports columnist.

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Speaker 1: listen live. You know, Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 3: I know what sports dance.

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Speaker 1: Wants, but for everything he doesn't. A guy who does.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say, I know a guy who knows the

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Speaker 3: guy who knows another guy.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. A guy who

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Speaker 2: covers college football, covers everything. Really, he's also a tennis

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Speaker 2: basically a tennis pro. I mean, I'm waiting for him

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Speaker 2: to enter the tour, but first he's gotta cover the

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Speaker 2: big national championship Notre Dame, Ohio State.

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Speaker 3: Dan Wilkin USA Today. Hey you doing Dan, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Doing great, Jason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you excited for the game. What's the interest level

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Speaker 3: on your end?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you get big ten and you get a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think when you're talking about the brands of

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Speaker 5: just fan base size, general intrigue, star power. Notre Dame

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Speaker 5: obviously touches a lot of different groups across the country.

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Speaker 5: You know, they've become likable sudden, which you know, they

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Speaker 3: What does that have to do with the coaching change?

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Speaker 4: Maybe? I think I think that has a lot to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's just a totally different vibe over

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Speaker 5: their season played out, the entire narrative around Ryan Day,

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Speaker 5: and the other thing about Ohio State is just there's

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Speaker 5: Ohio State people everywhere, absolutely everywhere across the country. This

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Speaker 5: I think I'm sure ESPN's thrilled with this matchup. I

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Speaker 5: know it's gonna be interesting to cover, and you know,

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Speaker 4: A good game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we could dig into the game shortly.

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Speaker 2: Let me just cover a couple of macro issues. So

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Speaker 2: we're recording this on Wednesday. Quinn Ewers just announced he

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Speaker 3: He's gonna try the NFL. I am curious.

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Speaker 2: I heard Michigan, State, Oregon, Notre Dame all were interested. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just curious what you heard on

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Speaker 5: Well, certainly those rumors were out there that some school,

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Speaker 4: And probably true.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look at what Carson Beck's situation was at Miami,

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Speaker 5: supposedly making somewhere around four million dollars next year to

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Speaker 5: So you just don't know what you're gonna be getting

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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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Speaker 5: I mean, maybe the way the process plays out, people

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Speaker 4: He's made a lot of money, by the way.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, he made a lot of money. I think

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Speaker 2: didn't even play a down at Ohio State, is that right?

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Speaker 3: He played like maybe a little bit.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how many plays, but I think he appeared,

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Speaker 2: One muck uh, you mentioned Carson Beck. Let me let

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Speaker 2: of these social media influencers who goes there, and Miami

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Speaker 3: So they're like, hey, we got.

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Speaker 2: To duplicate that, But I don't where are you on

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Speaker 2: Beck because he was a bit of a letdown.

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Speaker 5: I think if you maybe talk to people around Georgia,

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Speaker 5: we've seen quarterbacks who did not have good offensive lines,

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Speaker 5: to clear. I don't think he's from an investment standpoint

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Speaker 5: and you know, certainly, if you want to write what

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Speaker 2: Know, and he'd lost McConkey and Bowers, who sure have

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Speaker 2: shown to be awesome pro so far. So those are

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Speaker 2: Oh listen, it was just a quarterback thing. Georgia was

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Speaker 2: down to its backup quarterback. Okay, Jalen Milroe new system

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Speaker 3: One of the best conferences quarterbacks in the conference.

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Speaker 2: And so maybe it was a down yuarit quarterback or

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Speaker 2: why don't I just go start at Minnesota or wherever?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, the narrative around the SEC's dominance for so many

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Speaker 4: The transfer portal and NIL.

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Speaker 3: And it's not just that.

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Speaker 5: That has given the opportunity for Ohio State and all

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Speaker 5: to get. But what you're also seeing is kind of

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Speaker 5: And I think that's what we're seeing in the SEC.

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Speaker 5: And I think all the metrics we've seen around college

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one more that just came listening to your argument.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think these first round play playoff games

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Speaker 3: I totally agree. All right, let's get to Notre Dame

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Speaker 3: But were you there by any chance?

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Speaker 3: The Notre Dame injuries are interesting. Again.

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Speaker 2: I got I got a buddy who I played hoops

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Speaker 3: I got a good buddy who played another sport there.

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Speaker 3: They got extremely fortunate that drew al Air through an

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Speaker 2: Probably should have just taken anear running out and then

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Speaker 4: Very well might be the case.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's amazing when you think about the way those

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Speaker 5: that's two coaching decisions, you know, kind of fifty to

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that they don't deserve to be there,

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Speaker 2: Well wait a minute, So was Will Howard just not

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Speaker 3: Hey, well, you'd straight up double team Smith.

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Speaker 5: Well, I certainly think they're going to try to play

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Speaker 5: I think the penalties were just crushing. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it almost feels like Notre Dame's best path is, hey,

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Speaker 3: And that's the problem. Ohio State is loaded.

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Speaker 5: next year and subsequent to that, Ryan Day and that

440
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Speaker 5: whole program sort of reoriented everything around the idea, if

441
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Speaker 5: we've got to get more physical, we've got to get tougher.

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Speaker 5: And you know what, I actually think that's helped them

443
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Speaker 5: as a program because when you look at how they

444
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Speaker 5: play defense, when you look at bringing in Jim Knowles,

445
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Speaker 5: they are a lot tougher physically than they were. But

446
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Speaker 5: when it comes to playing Michigan, it almost feels like,

447
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 5: instead of playing the game, they're there to try to

448
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Speaker 5: prove a point that doesn't really work out well. And

449
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Speaker 5: I just think that after that game ended, they knew

450
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Speaker 5: they were going to be the playoff, it didn't really matter.

451
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Speaker 5: I think that burden was just sort of lifted off

452
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Speaker 5: of them, and it's like, all right, let's just be us.

453
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Speaker 5: We don't have to pretend to be somebody were not.

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Speaker 5: And they're not going to out physical Michigan. That's just

455
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Speaker 5: not how their program's built. But they are tough, and

456
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Speaker 5: I think they do play physical football and they're great

457
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Speaker 5: on defense. But they do have to play to their

458
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Speaker 5: type and to their personality and to their character, and

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Speaker 5: I think that's why they've been successful in this playoff.

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Speaker 2: If Ryan Day and Chip Kelly, you know, thirty five

461
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Speaker 2: to ten easy round offense looks great. What are the

462
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Speaker 2: odds that they are a packaged deal? To say the

463
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Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguars, Oh, because hey, you want a national championship,

464
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Speaker 2: nothing left to prove. They're gonna have a ton of

465
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Speaker 2: guys go to the league. Obviously they replenish, but I'm

466
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Speaker 2: gonna do this with both coaches. But let's start with Day.

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Speaker 3: And Chip Kelly.

468
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Speaker 2: Like, listen, man, Ryan Day, every loss to Michigan, we

469
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Speaker 2: got to get him out of here. They were ready

470
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Speaker 2: to fire him two months ago.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can certainly make the argument that from a

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Speaker 5: just quality of life standpoint, it would be a lot

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Speaker 5: better for Ryan Day if he just found some other

474
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Speaker 5: job and got the heck out of there, right, because

475
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Speaker 5: I've heard the stories from people on their staff, from

476
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Speaker 5: people close to the program that you know, his daughter's playing,

477
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Speaker 5: you know, a volleyball game, and like people are chanting

478
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Speaker 5: fire Ryan Day. That you know, people are coming up

479
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Speaker 5: to his wife at the grocery store and you know,

480
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Speaker 5: saying crazy things like that's tough.

481
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Speaker 4: You know, that's not a great way to live.

482
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Speaker 5: And when you're in that job and in that city

483
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 5: and everything you do so public, like I think it

484
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 5: could be very suffocating and mentally draining. And yeah, if

485
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Speaker 5: he wanted to do that, I don't think anybody would

486
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Speaker 5: blame him. And hey, if he left with a national championship,

487
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Speaker 5: it'd be awesome everybody. I think everybody'd be happy, right,

488
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Speaker 5: But you know, at the same time, like you go

489
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Speaker 5: to that NFL meat grinder, and you're hired to be fired,

490
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Speaker 5: and you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's a tough call. I

492
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Speaker 3: just think for Ryan Day, he's.

493
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Speaker 5: Got to figure out what he feels like is is

494
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Speaker 5: sustainable for himself and his family, and that's what he

495
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Speaker 5: should do.

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Speaker 2: Wow, obviously Jacksonville, they're not going to go and hire

497
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Speaker 2: another former ohiose state coach instantly, But I was just speculating.

498
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Speaker 2: So now on to Marcus Freeman, which is a little

499
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Speaker 2: more interesting because he got re upped, which means nothing,

500
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Speaker 2: and the Bears have now made it known they want

501
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Speaker 2: to talk to him. I don't know he he seems

502
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Speaker 2: like I don't want to compare him to like a

503
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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin or a Mike Rabel, but he seems like

504
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Speaker 2: a leader of men. I'm sure you saw the halftime

505
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: speech or the stimpet of it that's floating around the web,

506
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Speaker 2: like I.

507
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Speaker 3: Want to play for Marcus Freeman. I like the guy.

508
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Speaker 2: I think he would be a slam dunk hire and say, Chicago,

509
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Speaker 2: you know him much better than I do. It seems

510
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Speaker 2: like him and his family are pretty ensconced though at

511
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he probably stays this year and for

513
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 5: a while longer. But I think he's definitely a guy

514
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Speaker 5: when you look at his age and just the career

515
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Speaker 5: arc that he could give the NFL a shot at

516
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Speaker 5: some point. And I don't think anybody would be surprised

517
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Speaker 5: about that. Certainly not surprised that NFL teams are interested

518
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Speaker 5: in him when you look at everything he brings to

519
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 5: the table, the way they've coached that team, the way

520
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 5: they've built the program he's I think on game day,

521
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Speaker 5: in terms of just little things on the margins, I

522
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Speaker 5: think they've been great.

523
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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: I think his coaching decisions have been terrific early in

525
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Speaker 5: his tenure, including this year when they played Northern Illinois,

526
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Speaker 5: the issue for him and for Notre Dame was why

527
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 5: are they not getting up every single week to take

528
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Speaker 5: care of business? I mean, there were some bad losses

529
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Speaker 5: in there. You know, there was a loss to Marshall, right,

530
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 5: there was you know, there was a loss to a

531
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 5: really bad Stanford team a couple of years ago, and

532
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Speaker 5: the only explanation was just like they weren't ready to

533
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Speaker 5: play mentally, focus wise, intensity wise, And I think once

534
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Speaker 5: they lost to Northern Illinois that was not a problem

535
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Speaker 5: the rest of the season, and they've looked great and

536
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Speaker 5: I think everyone who watches that team is impressed with

537
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Speaker 5: the way he's coached him. So, yeah, he's definitely a

538
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Speaker 5: guy the NFL could look at. I just don't think

539
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Speaker 5: now is the right time for him. I think he's

540
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Speaker 5: got to play this thing out a little more at

541
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Speaker 5: Notre Dame because I do think there's a little higher

542
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 5: ceiling they could reach.

543
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's younger than both of us, which is a

544
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Speaker 2: little sad, and I hope I didn't just admit a rage.

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Speaker 2: All right, Dan walk in USA today, Dan, get healthy

546
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Speaker 2: for your twenty twenty five tennis tour.

547
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see what the US opening August.

548
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 5: No, I'm in that forty and up league. I try

549
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 5: to be I try to be good in the forty

550
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 5: and up league, But you know.

551
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Speaker 4: It is what it is.

552
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 3: Have they have they tested the speed of your serve?

553
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: Like do they?

554
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: Do?

555
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: You know it? Or no?

556
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: Uh? You know?

557
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 4: So there's a little app actually called swing Vision that

558
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 4: it gives you a lot of data on your game.

559
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Speaker 4: You sort of record yourself. I don't know. I'm not

560
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Speaker 4: a huge server.

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Speaker 5: I mean I'm only about you know, five seven five eight,

562
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 5: So I don't generate a ton of pace off the serve,

563
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 5: way more off the ground.

564
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Speaker 4: But I don't know.

565
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 5: I can probably hit one hundred, but it's uh, that's

566
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 5: that's not That's not the strength of my game for sure.

567
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Speaker 3: What are you a baseline guy? What's your game?

568
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Speaker 5: I haven't played tennis in a minute, but I used

569
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Speaker 5: to be a regular aggressive baseliner. You know, good off

570
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 5: both wings, change in direction.

571
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Speaker 4: The rest of it can be a little hit and miss.

572
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 3: So you're not you're not charging the net?

573
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Speaker 4: God, I play. I I try. I try not to

574
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Speaker 4: come into the net.

575
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Speaker 3: Okay, what about are you? Are you more of a wall?

576
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: Are you aiming for winners? Trying to paint lines?

577
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:09,719
Speaker 5: Oh?

578
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'm more aggressive. I'm I'm going for it.

579
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a weakness.

580
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 2: Well, we've got a guy here at on the Herd,

581
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: the social media guy who's really good, played like seriously

582
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 2: as a young player, and I was like, oh, I

583
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: need to tune up for so he comes to play me. Dude,

584
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: I've never been double bagel before, humiliating like, we couldn't

585
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: even have he's that good. He's much younger than us.

586
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 3: But it was humbling. I haven't played much tennis since

587
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: just let's just put it that way. Well, well pinned

588
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: double bagels at some point, so well, not you not

589
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: not at your life?

590
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: No, I have been. I have been.

591
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

592
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 4: There's always somebody a lot better out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, all right, thanks a lot, Dan, I have

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Speaker 3: a good one.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Jason,