WEBVTT - Glee Glue with Telly Kousakis 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.439 And that's what you really missed with Jenna. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.119 And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:11.760 Welcome to you, and that's what you're the miss podcast. 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.759 Well today, Kevin, we've got We've got him, the. 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:26.599 Man, the myth, the legends. Telly is the Glee Club. Yeah, 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:30.840 he is Glee. He is what made us like us 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.360 Glee Club members show up. 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:34.680 He's the glue. 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:36.400 He's the actual glue. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.000 He doesn't really need an introduction. If you know, if 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.200 you know Glee, you know Telly. If you know the cast, 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:45.080 you know Telly. But he was a PA that started 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.239 it and basically created his own role in dynamic on 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:53.199 the show as basically our our wrangler in corraling all 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:59.760 of us fools together. But it was our strategy to 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.240 keep Kelly around. It was I don't want to listen 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:06.720 to who's that. It's not Telly. No, okay, anyway, here's 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.680 telling kusagas enjoy. Hi. 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:12.720 Hi, Jenna, and I haven't seen you in forever. 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:14.600 I know, a really long time. How are you. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.640 Oh, I'm okay, I'm good. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.120 It's just okay's had a. 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:24.000 Great time in Thailand. Okay, back in the real world, 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:31.039 I know. Is it hard to adjust back to this life. 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:32.280 I mean, you don't want to know. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.120 I'll call you after this, because I do want to know, 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.880 in fact, and actually maybe I should. We should get 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:38.520 lunch after this. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:45.039 Oh boy, oh man, it's good to have you here. 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:46.720 It's so great to be here. 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:52.600 If anybody has ever listened to any sort of Glee 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.840 behind the scenes, anything, seen any photos, then you know 0:01:56.360 --> 0:02:03.840 who Telly Kusakis is, because there is no Glee without. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.800 T to say. 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:13.600 It's true, it's true, like you were such a vital 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.560 piece of making the show work. You know, We've interviewed 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.480 a lot of crew members and it's amazing how much 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.600 weight everybody was pulling, because it really was this gigantic 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:23.200 team effort. 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:25.079 Yes, yes, but. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:31.280 Damn Kelly, you had a job that no one else 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:39.360 could do well. Yes, and nobody nobody else wanted. You 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.959 had to pass the torch personally to make sure somebody 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:42.720 could handle us. 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:47.120 Yes, yes, that's true. That's true. For those who don't know, 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:52.359 I started on Glee as a set PA, and typically 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:56.040 on a TV movie that there's one PA who's dedicated 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:00.560 to the handling of the actors, or the first PA, 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.640 and so I was the first team PA. Hungrily for 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.480 the first three seasons. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.840 And you started immediately right. You didn't work on the 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.320 pilot started. I did not work on the pilots. I 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.320 am a NEPO baby. My father worked on the pilot. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.920 And then when it was ordered to series, he was like, 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.600 I could give you this job because I didn't have 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.520 a job and I was twenty nothing. And then I 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.440 was like, I don't know, I've never done it before. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.040 I don't know if I want to like chase around 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:37.560 a bunch of factors. I think what really happened, which 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.760 was helpful for all of us, was that like, for 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.800 the most part, everyone that was an actor on the show, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.520 or at least playing one of the teenagers, was so green, 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:49.800 and I was so green that we kind of like 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:54.320 worked out our own system how to be on the set, 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.800 how to go to and from the set, because you know, 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:05.000 it's like the ad team, the prepas are, you know, 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.480 sort of meant to just like keep tabs on everyone 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.760 on the set. So it's like, you know, and I 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:11.520 feel like, just because it was such a large group 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.520 of people, like, yeah, we kind of worked out our 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.400 own little shorthand our own little thing because we were 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.120 all kind of like what the youngest of us was 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.480 twenty eighteen and the oldest was like twenty nine or 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.919 whenever at the time. So yeah, we were all the 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:31.359 same age. We all had similar experience in life and work, 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.120 and so it's just like, yeah, I kind of like 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:35.279 worked my way in there. 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.680 And it made yourself it replaceable. 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.360 On many I wore many hats in that role. 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:45.120 You really did. You made yourself irreplaceable. Nobody would listen 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.159 to anybody except for you. Yeah, And we kind of 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:49.840 hadn't made it that way. So we were like, well, 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:51.520 we'll just have Telly around and we won't listen to 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:53.880 anybody else, so we'll make sure that they know that 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:54.640 we need Telly. 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.520 We acted up. I think the only times we collectively 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.640 acted up was if like you weren't there for some 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:04.039 reason or like you were taking like if they had 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.360 somebody else come in. We were not easy for anybody else. 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:09.560 No, And I think it was like a lot of 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.240 you know, on there's a lot of hurry up and 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:18.560 wait on sets, and and a lot of like a 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.640 lot of the time you'll get an actual will get 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.200 called to set at the right time, you know, but 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.719 then there's eventually going to be some you know, the 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.600 final camera checks, the final hair and makeup, so it's 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.000 like you're never writing change when they're ready. No one's 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.240 ever really ready when ready is called. But I think 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.480 because again there were so many it was like of 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.920 you that it was like, well they're not going at 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.320 so I'm not going to go, you know. And that 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.120 was exact a lot of like false calls to set 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:45.800 and like a lot of like, well you guys need 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:47.559 to go now, and it's like, well do we really 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.880 need to go now or or is it just going 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.680 to be another fifteen people standing in that room doing nothing? 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.359 Oh god, it just all came back. Then it was 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.280 like like my voice coming through would be like, okay, 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.839 it's actually time for you to go. So sort of 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.479 like and I always like employed the method of just 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.400 like touching someone's shoulder or need making eye contact to 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.840 say ever even to go do your job now. 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.200 I mean think your personality it was built for that 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.640 because you know, you like to say this what other 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.000 people tell you. But you are the universally most like 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:25.400 last I've ever met. 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:29.760 Like, thank you, that's very sweet of you. Yeah. I 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.960 I think I work best when just working with other people. 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.919 And this is like working with other people because it's 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.960 well I also, like you know, have no personal boundaries. 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:44.000 So that's right, none of us did, which is great. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:45.760 So you know it'st important. 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:47.960 That was the most important. 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.680 Ye be there talking it out, working it out, figuring 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:55.840 it out together just kind of like that's sort of 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.400 just naturally how I like to be. And I think again, 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.120 like another there was so much to learn in those 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.280 first few years for all of us in so many 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:09.479 different ways, and like so you know, I think it's 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.680 just like was always good to be there. I think 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:16.680 like ultimately what ended up happening was that like I 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.520 took on a lot of a role as like a 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.640 lot like an emotional sort of, I took on a 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.440 lot of like emotional I don't know what the term 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.920 is other than like baggage, but it's not really baggage. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.000 But like you know, as things come up and like 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.920 tempers flare and it gets on to our sixteen and 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.200 so many various things that happened that can you know, 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.240 and then everyone's got personal lives for shit, you know, 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.520 stuff's going on in your personal life, and but you're there, 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:49.560 you are on set living as I'm sure you guys 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.880 have talked about like scenes of fifteen people where only 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.240 three people talk. So it's like, great, I'm so glad 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.360 I was here all day to stand in the background, right. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.560 But you know, it's like those things, there's a lot, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.280 there's a lot to take on, a lot to learn, 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.760 and then especially once the show is like catapulting into 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:11.600 this like insane stratosphere of of like same and just 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.240 like everybody knows who you are now and you know, 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.280 all eyes around Glee. It's like there's a lot of 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.559 emotional tension that comes up with that, a lot of things. 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:25.560 I think a lot of what came from that. I 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.000 think a lot of where a dynamic ended up in 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.040 that third season especially was sort of just like being 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.559 there to make everything, make sure everybody was like okay 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.480 on that level, on that emotional yeah, and to just yeah, 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.800 make things so smoothly, especially like with such a revolving 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.600 door of cast as well, like on the special guest 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:49.040 level and on just like the day playing co star level, 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.840 there's like tons of people. So I like really took on, 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.440 you know the role of like being that first person 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.160 that they meet at base camp, being the first person 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:02.319 that they see on set, you know, being there. Yeah, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.880 and just like you know, so that it so that 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.880 nobody that I took it on personally, So it was 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.120 like nobody that came on to be on camera, be 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:15.679 they like a dancer or Carol Burnett, like, you know, 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.560 I want them to know that there's someone here that's 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.520 not the fact that that will show them where to 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.760 go or tell them what to do, because it was 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.560 really I mean that when that machine was up and running, 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.960 it was like it was fast, it was big, and 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.520 it was loud, you know, so it was it could 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.480 sometimes be really hard for so as much as I 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.280 took on and loved being there, is sort of like 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.040 the support for the main cast, it was like I 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.880 also really did take on. Yeah, you did that role 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.280 for the other cast of just you know, just being there, and. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.600 There's a much bigger role than any PA I think 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.800 on any other show has taken on ever. 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.880 Because I imagine that's not in the job description. Were like, 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.000 it's like you're welcoming, and we were all very proud 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.520 of what we were doing, and so it feels like 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:05.600 you were welcoming people into our home and making sure 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.640 like I'm going to be a good host and make 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.000 sure you're taken care of, so like when you leave, 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.840 you feel protected and that you had a good and 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:13.840 safe experience. 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.560 And you know, like I think in a in general, 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.480 you know, there's a lot of talk I think around 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.120 Glee and in other shows and like other like outsiders 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.160 looking in. It's like you think, like, oh, how is that. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:30.880 How do the cast treat this new person, or how 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.320 do the cast treat this bring this other person? Like, yes, 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.679 we're all humans, so we like should be treating each 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.440 other with respect. But also like it's not necessarily a 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.480 regular actor's job to like bring in another actor and 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.840 show them the ropes and like make sure that they're okay. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.839 And you know, like everybody has their own thing and 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:48.560 their own laying to be in on a set, so 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.679 it's like right, and like, I don't think anybody did it. 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.040 I don't think anybody was overly like rude or didn't 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:56.520 take care of people in that way. But you know, 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.320 it was nice that I could be that somewhere, you know, 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:01.800 fill that space in so that. 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.559 For sure, it's a good point that people knew. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.199 That they were they could do their job. And then 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.400 also right if there was anything else going on that 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.600 it was like could be a safe enough place to 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.160 just like talk about it, let it out, or at 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:20.000 least just like recognize that not everything in life is 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:24.120 like sunshine and rainbows and roads sometimes bad days. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.080 I was just thinking, how that's such like an unquantifiable 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:32.160 quality or attribute to a set. But I think that's wrong. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:36.320 I think it is quantifiable in the sense that you 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:42.080 probably were the piece that connected all of these different departments. 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.400 Obviously there was overlap with you know, Heather Knew, Brittay 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.320 and Hannah and the dance department, and obviously Zach and 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.599 Broke and we were close with them, or makeup and 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.679 hair or any Kosters that were coming in. But you 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.360 were the singular person going between all of those things, right, 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.240 and the reason why we probably are also all felt 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:07.719 so comfortable, I don't know, mixing or being like we're 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.199 all on the same level here. It's not like, oh, 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:11.959 we're the first twelve people on the call sheet. That 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:17.040 doesn't mean anything. We're making sure everybody is, you know, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.199 having a good time and like we're hanging out. We're 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.240 all young, and at the same time, you could do 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.440 that and be the emotional support for everyone but also 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.480 make sure the ship was running how it was supposed 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:26.920 to be run. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.840 Yeah, and also like I noticed two and you know this. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.120 I don't think we'll ever go away. But there's like 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.800 there's this attitude around actors sometimes on a like on 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.600 a set with the crew, where it's like they're like 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:44.080 there's special attention given and sometimes they're like handled in 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.240 this way that's like, you know, you hear these horror 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.520 stories of people living like you can't make eye contact 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.199 with this person or like you can't do this that, 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.240 and it's like whether or not that happens or is real, 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.880 it's like there's still sort of this attitude where it's 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.440 like for the crew where it's like okay, but the 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.720 cast is somehow like unapproachable or like leave them to 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.719 themselves or like you know true, And that's again part 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.800 of just like being respectful of people in their jobs. 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.559 But I also think, like to what you're saying, Kevin, 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:13.400 like maybe I had a hand in helping like everyone 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.240 more accessible to everyone. Yeah, you guys needed to talk 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.120 to someone who It's like I don't know who this 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.520 person is on the crew, but I need to get 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.200 this done. It's like, oh, I can link you up 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.559 with that person. Yeah, Vice versa, because you know, it's 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.200 like there's a lot of people, you know, people like 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.760 if a crew member had like a friend or family 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:32.080 on set and they wanted to like meet you guys, 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:33.840 all talk to you guys, it's like they'd always kind 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.560 of like I remember a lot of people coming to 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.480 me and being like how should I handle this, and 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.880 it's just like, you know, like break down. So I 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:44.079 also like felt like, yeah, you did conviously breaking those 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.040 walls down and making it so that like everyone everyone 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:48.080 can talk to everyone here. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.000 And it makes me think of like we go into 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.240 crafty and see these beautiful drawings, like who did that, right? Jason? 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:53.840 Jason? 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:55.400 Right, Jason did this drawing? 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.480 Oh my god, really, I just found my teena card 0:13:59.480 --> 0:13:59.920 that Jason. 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:00.640 Yeah. 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.120 It's like I don't even know. I don't know if 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.360 that's normal on set, but we were all the different 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.160 departments were fully just intermigrated. 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.959 Yeah, and again I think that like had a lot. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.120 I'm not going to say that was I was the 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.160 reason for that. I think a lot of it. Most 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.840 of it would probably was what you referenced that sort 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.960 of like Glee to me was like everyone was being 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.520 called upon to go above and beyond like every day, yes, 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:30.320 every department that is, there's a commiseration there or like 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.800 a camaraderie where it's like we're all we're all being 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.120 pushed here to like a limit. So it's like I 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:38.400 think that bonds you as well. 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.880 You said, like the emotional like by season three, because 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.040 we we did season three, watch season three recently and 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.800 we're talking about how the wheels were falling off. 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.040 Oh yeah, and it was just where you guys were 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:57.840 out in your rewatch. 0:14:58.160 --> 0:14:59.880 We're in season four now. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.720 But season three it was a lot of like oh 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.840 my god, like, yeah, did we block this out of 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.440 our memories? Were we even like conscious of what was 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:12.080 happening because it was just so hectic, But you were 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:16.240 there as like the emotional support, which I know is 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:20.600 not part of your job description, but I don't know, 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.720 like how do you think that impacted you or does 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.120 still impact you? Or like a lot was being asked 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.680 of you about and beyond of what a normal PA 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.240 job would be, and I don't think we knew any 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:35.840 different that maybe that wasn't fair to you because we 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.720 were all best friends and so there was that weird 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:44.760 line of like what we said, like being a coworker 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.480 being a best friend, and it was fully, it was 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.480 very blurry like there was no separation. 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:56.400 Totally, totally yeah, And I think especially by that point, well, 0:15:56.520 --> 0:16:01.120 I guess my first thought about that is like at 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.680 that point, there was like we're dealing with like we're 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.840 going on the third year of like some intense like 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.440 exhaustion because we've gotten like season one, we had that 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.200 big long break between the first like the first twelve 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.680 and the back nine, but then it was like back 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:21.400 nine concert tour, season two, concert tour, season three, and 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.480 so it's like at this point we've. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.680 Had the same schedule as us, minus like the press stuff, 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.360 but like you saw us through all of those moments 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.080 as well, which nobody else did. So I think like, 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:34.200 and I think. 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.640 When you mix it up like that way with the 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.560 show and then the tour on the off time and 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:43.000 then we're socializing as well, I think it's just like 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.000 you start seeing like you're all feeling it, you all 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.160 know it, right, It's like you know what we've been 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.400 through professionally. And then I mean when you're spending all 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.280 their time together, we also just know each other so well, 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.040 we know what's going on in each other's lives. We 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:00.760 know those stresses, and so I think, you know, I 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.400 think it was just a natural progression. I think as 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:09.000 far as like taking on more of that personal stuff 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.840 or like being available for that, like just seems like 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.959 a natural progression because it's like we're friends, we're and 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:18.879 and I know what's going on. It's not like your 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.879 friends that have to work and you are on the 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.719 weekends and you're sort of like, how was work this week? Like, Oh, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:24.240 it was all right. 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.760 It's like no, I know that I intimately knew everything. 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.040 I intimately know what's going on, Like I know who's 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.200 you know, I know if there's tension between two cast members. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.040 I know if someone's having some issue at home like 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.240 yeah or Pritner or whatever. Like we're all aware of 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.919 all that stuff. So I think, yeah, I think that 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.600 was just like sort of naturally happened. But I think 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.120 what also came with that was like by season three, 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.399 for me personally on set, like there I would I 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.520 had lost some of the like more traditional PA responsibilities, 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:57.119 like I was now no longer like in place of 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.840 you know, like locking up doorway and like right like 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:06.440 handling the walkie talkies like I had kind of graduated 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.040 to a place where I could be on set with 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:11.960 the actors, be at base camp with the actors, like 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.919 be running in between and doing all those things that 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.720 I needed to do that were maybe not part of 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.040 the job description. So it's funny here there's like a 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:22.639 bit of a balance in that, like because I was 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.800 maybe taking on more nuanced personal like matters or like 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:31.240 emotional heavy lifting. Yeah, it's no longer doing some of the. 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.800 Physical annual labor, yeah. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.239 Or like you know, so it's like their balances out 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.880 in that way, like with time comes seniority as well. 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:43.200 So it's really crazy because I think it's like when 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.760 things happen incrementally, you know, over time, you don't necessarily 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:47.920 realize it. I was like, yeah, I think the reason 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.680 I probably like sort of came out to everyone was 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:54.199 because of you, Like you helped me sort of like 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:56.200 you know, get there. 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:57.800 You also had no choice. 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:04.600 I had, it was but it was like I didn't 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:09.359 have for example, like a lot of gay friends. I 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.520 was around a lot of gay people. You were very close, 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.080 we were very close in age. You were someone who 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:20.240 felt so secure and free within themselves. You created this 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:24.600 I don't know, probably subconsciously, unbeknownst to me, this really 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.520 safe space and someone to like look up to and 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.840 admire and in a way where because growing up in 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.200 the entertainment business, I thought this was something that would 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:37.639 always have to be hidden. Obviously, you know, Jenna and 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:42.800 Amber and Chris already knew, but you were the next person. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.480 And I think once and like, how it even happened. 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.359 I remember we were in Vegas. I remember sitting on the floor. 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:54.040 There was the family bed and I was sitting on 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.520 the floor charging my phone, and You're like, so, Kevin, 0:19:56.560 --> 0:20:00.480 what's up you like guys? Oh no, you said, did you. 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:04.600 Say you wanted to tell me? Yeah? And I'm like, uh, 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:05.800 like fun, what do I do it? 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:12.800 I'm like, yeah, I guess I like dudes. 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:13.359 Oh my god. 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:15.040 Yeah wow. 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:21.240 But I can't I can't probably express the ways in 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:25.440 which that was so helpful, just being around you, being 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:29.560 able to like truly be myself at home and at work. 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.320 And I think, you know, the whole set felt like that, 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.560 where I mean you saw it on the actual episodes 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.439 reflected where like everyone was welcome, everything was celebrated, and 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.959 then behind the scenes it was even more so. I 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:47.200 think where the crew was so accepting of each other 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.359 and of us, and everyone was like, you're going to 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:54.280 work with like some pretty tough dudes, and like they 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.680 loved this show and they loved the gage so much, 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.560 like people that you would necessarily like I probably wouldn't 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:02.600 have felt comfortable like being myself in front of it was 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:04.760 like that didn't matter, and so like it was very 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.920 educational for me, and you sort of like held my hand. 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:09.320 I think through all. 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.080 Of that, Oh, thank you, Kevin. I'm glad I could 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.639 be there. And yeah, I mean I think and I 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:18.439 think again, that's just like I think that has a 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:20.680 lot to do with, like, you know, those lines being 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.040 blurred between like personal life and professional life and and 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:26.880 a lot of times I think that's tricky issues and yeah, 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:28.560 I can be but I think a lot of times 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.680 that it creates maybe those environments you're talking about where 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:34.200 everyone's a little more comfortable to be themselves a little 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:37.760 bit more or like you know, and then ultimately, like 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.640 I am against the idea of like holding back any 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:45.200 part of yourself anyway, So I think probably my natural 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:47.280 tendency is to like draw that out of people. If 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.159 there's yeah, for sure, holding something back. 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.080 Which is sort of like you and Meg's ended up 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.240 being like the perfect duo because she very much I 0:21:55.280 --> 0:22:00.800 think echoes that in her own way, like everyone trusts her, Yeah, nurturer, 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.480 which is I felt like she was the correct successor. 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:07.360 Yeah, I really did need. That was a funny thing too, 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:11.240 because you know, luckily with being in a position like 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.840 a pare, you're easily replaceable, but like in the sense 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:16.960 of like because you were not when we come in 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.880 and like there's it's it's again. It's all those like 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:21.840 once you know the ropes, you can kind of get 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.399 to the ropes anywhere. But as funny as I like 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:27.840 was moving on from this set, I was like, oh God, 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:31.080 who's gonna like this just can't be anyone like trying 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:34.800 to be a successor in that you know, it's someone 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:39.119 who's yes, it's really not you know, and it's like 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.720 there's a lot of leadership that goes on with it. It's 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:44.719 like it's a funny position where I always said it 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:47.399 was like on set I had to tell people what 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:49.400 to do without making it seem like I was telling 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:51.280 them what to do or like it was their idea 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.120 or it was you know this sort of or interrupt 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:56.880 conversations without being rude, Like it's just these weird little 0:22:56.920 --> 0:23:00.600 soft skills that you need, yes, and ultimately end up 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:04.000 in being like being able to command the room or 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:06.879 get I mean. And this was not and it's not 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.080 even a way of saying like everyone was acting so 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.000 crazy that they needed someone special to like rein it 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:14.560 in or it's like no, just like the sheer volume 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.680 of people like fifteen afters touched up and on. 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:21.280 Set, yes, is like at the same time, it's hurting 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:23.640 Castle more. 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:27.960 And it's like not any that's not the normal. That's 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:28.840 not the normal thing. 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:31.400 So yes, it's not, it's not. It was a lot 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:36.359 to take on and then especial, Yeah, you was crazy. 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:38.040 I was actually thinking about this the other day because 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:42.159 I was like thinking like, oh, Kevin must be like 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.440 he must almost he must be like almost thirty two 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:47.520 or something. And then I was like, wait a second, 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:50.919 he's only like a few years younger than me, like 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:53.800 he's thirty five. And then I was like when we 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:57.680 met and you were like twenty four, It's like that's 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:00.119 what there's like. So it's like I remember being like, 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:02.879 oh my god, I'm so much older than this kid. Yeah, 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:05.840 learn and dah da da da and it's like and 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:08.119 then jenneb you being like two years you know in 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:12.240 between oh she knows you know and I are basically 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:14.560 the same age, but like the young kid is not. 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:17.919 And then now I'm like, okay, no, we're the same age. 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:21.440 I remember feeling like all of my twenties, I was 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:24.200 like Chris and I felt like I'm always around older people. 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:29.840 Oh I'm always Oh my god, Wow, okay the kid 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:30.440 comes out. 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:33.879 Yeah, well in the same age. 0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:35.520 Yeah, yeah, we are. 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:37.640 So yes, I was young when I thought I wasn't 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:41.919 young starting out fly. I look back now and I'm like, 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:43.679 it was a baby child. 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:46.840 Now when you were when you were passing the torch 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:52.720 over to megs d after all those we did we 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:58.239 pushed you. No, we're encouraging you, but tell us, like, 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.320 I'm curious to hear in your mom mind. Did you 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:03.639 hit a breaking point? Was there a point where you're like, 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:07.399 I got to get out of here, or what was 0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:10.520 it that made you How did you get to the 0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:14.800 next level? In the Ryan Murphy camp, well. 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:20.800 What happened with my so I guess it was very 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:26.600 early on. It was like season one. The producers were 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:29.440 very much, like I got really good feedback from them, 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:32.360 and in that like we want you here, we want 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:34.199 you to work with us, we want to promote you 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.320 when we can. We don't know what that is or 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:38.199 what it'll look like, but that was sort of like 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.800 part of the discussion for me really starting early on, 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:45.679 which was great. At one point. I think it was 0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:52.040 actually season at the end of season two into season three. 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.800 Matt Hodson was Ryan's assistant at the time, and it 0:25:55.880 --> 0:26:00.680 was being promoted and he you know, so that position available. 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.920 I talked to him about that. I was still at 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.200 that point, so to answer maybe the breaking point question, 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:09.400 like at that point, I was still like into being 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:14.480 on set, wanting to be on set, like being Ryan's 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:19.520 assistant like had its appeal, but like, wasn't weighing out 0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:23.560 the on set job at that time. It's funny, I 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:25.560 have lots of like sliding doors moments of like what 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.560 if I had done that, Yeah, right, would have changed. 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:32.679 But anyway, so so I think then and then I 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:35.520 guess it was midway or you know, towards the end 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:39.720 of season three that the script coordinator was fired or 0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:42.480 left or something and so that position was available, which 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:46.359 I didn't really know a lot about the position, but 0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.199 after finding out that it's sort of like a you know, 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:52.800 a liaison between the writers in the production office and 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:56.560 you sort of handle this the formatting and proofreading of 0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:59.360 the scripts and the continuity of the show and things 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:03.840 like that. That definitely felt like also in my wheelhouse 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.719 as skills were concerned and seemed appealing. And so by 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:10.879 the time that came around, I think with the season 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:16.600 three and just feeling like, yeah, maybe I felt like 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:19.640 there was enough appeal there where I was like, Okay, 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.879 I can leave this behind. I think maybe I feel 0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:25.960 like also i'd maybe like hit a ceiling on set 0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:29.199 where it was like what more can I do? As 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:32.959 fart like there, you know, because it's like taking on 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:36.600 more responsibility on set is like a whole other DGA, 0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.400 like a d thing, right, which was like the path 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:40.880 I wanted to go down, right. 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:43.040 You sort of like maxed out what you could do. 0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:47.359 Because it was like a new thing that didn't really exist. 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:50.280 It was like its own thing. It kind of felt 0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:53.000 like it had grown to where it could grow. And 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.840 then yeah, and there was something really exciting about for 0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:59.960 me about like taking on new responsibilities in the writer's office, 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:05.359 like getting closer to the writing process and in turn 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:08.439 just learning a lot more about actually about how the product, 0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:12.320 how production works, you know. So it was so it 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:15.600 didn't I didn't reach a breaking point. I think I 0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:21.600 reached a point where I think with like with anything, 0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:24.119 there's like when you're doing the same thing over and 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:28.000 over again, and there's like maybe some resentment that builds 0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:30.639 up that was like the job, not so much of 0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:34.199 the people. And then so yeah, I think I was 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.879 just ready to move on because I also loved the 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.680 idea of having regular office hours and not because the 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.600 thing that is so wearing about being on set in 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:48.400 a crew is that you're there the whole time, right 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:55.920 there all day long, right, and so it was like, yeah, 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.120 so it's just like a lot of time and so and. 0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.040 You're there before us and after us. 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:03.400 Yeah, and for the scene. You know, it's like if 0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:06.560 we have you know, acchoir room scene in the beginning 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:07.760 of the day, but then the rest of the day 0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:09.400 it's just a little start. It's like, you know, you're 0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:12.400 there for everything, Yeah, all scenes with one or two 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:15.920 actors to the big group numbers. But I think a 0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:18.240 lot of the reasons maybe I didn't take that first 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.520 opportunity to like get off set. There was a little 0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:25.000 bit of like fomo too and like part of the 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:28.120 group and like being there for those times. And then 0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.200 I think when it looked like I don't know, maybe 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:32.920 it just happened this way, but like it sort of 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.360 felt like after season three anyway, like with this, you know, 0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:38.080 story wise, with the half of the group going to 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.600 New York, and then like it felt like a disjointed 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:43.480 different thing anyway. And at this point again it was 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:45.960 like I was secure enough with all of my relationships 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:48.440 with people on set. I was like, okay, well and 0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:50.160 we're all still working on the same project, so it's 0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:53.440 like I'm not right. It's like we're gonna maybe spend 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.400 a little less space to face time together and that's okay. 0:29:56.480 --> 0:30:00.960 And and ultimately, yeah, it's just like going to every 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.400 department and getting their time sheets and just those little 0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:08.600 like as it's been three years, like I can't keep 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:09.080 doing this. 0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:14.000 I remember us having conversations with you. We were like, Telly, 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:18.720 like we want you here, kind of like you kind 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.479 of go and I remember you like really taking your 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:23.680 I remember at the end of season two and you're 0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.440 considering that, and it also just felt like, well, I 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.240 also want to be with like these people I love 0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:31.920 every day, and like you built this position into like 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.440 what it was right, and it was like your thing, 0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:41.080 Like this was like fully your position that you created 0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:46.200 out of nothing on set, and like it felt like 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:48.320 there was pride in that. And also it's like going 0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.560 to do something else, you have found something you were 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.240 really good at and you were irreplaceable, and it was 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.520 sort of like, okay, then I have to just like 0:30:57.760 --> 0:30:59.360 even though you're in the same production, you're working with 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.200 other people at your already know but a different capacity, 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:06.160 it still felt like that would be scary and terrifying 0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:06.800 because it's like. 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:10.360 Yeah, there's felt like something I think too, Like I 0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:11.840 always had it in the back of my head, like 0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:13.360 I know this isn't going to last. Like I know 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.600 this isn't going to last, like you know, Like again, 0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.920 being an EPO baby, I was very exposed and from 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:23.480 a very early age of like the realist the realistic 0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:28.160 nature of of TV and that yeah, there's you know, 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.840 scarce times and there are good times, there's everything in between, 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:37.760 and that like you know, like so to try to 0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:39.360 enjoy it and know that it wasn't gonna last. But 0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:42.080 then at the same time, there was this feeling of like, oh, 0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:44.280 it's like so precious and if it ever changes, then 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.280 what's going to happen? Like it needs to be this way. 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.000 And then I think that that maybe was more in 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:51.800 the water at the beginning of season three, and then 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:53.560 towards the end of season three, I think it was like, 0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:58.120 you're already something should change here in order to sustain this, 0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:00.520 because this isn't sustainable. 0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:01.440 It's not. 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.280 Because you started at the very beginning with us and 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.760 went on tours with us that nobody else in production 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:21.840 did like that until Meg's joined. But what was that 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:25.040 experience like seeing I don't know the public or like 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:27.280 the growth of the show because you were in that 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:29.400 bubble where we did the first twelve and nobody saw 0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.600 it and then it went from now we're doing an 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:37.560 international tour. Like from your perspective, what was that experience? 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:42.520 Yeah? That was it was wild. It was yeah. So 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.520 you know when I started, I you know again like 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:49.360 I've seen my dad, my members of my family like 0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:52.360 make shows and then they are great and then they 0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:54.720 disappear and then who knows. So it's like I knew 0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.320 this was happening in a vacuum. I think it was 0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:00.280 the day that we were shooting Stay a Little Prayer 0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:04.400 that I saw that because I had never seen a rehearsal. 0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:06.040 I hadn't seen it whatever like I did. I'd maybe 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:07.680 read a script at this point, but I was sort 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.440 of like, okay, like what is this show? And then 0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:15.120 like saw it and saw the like like the way 0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:16.800 that it was like on the page, it was just 0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:18.760 like they've performed a song. And then it was like, 0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:21.800 oh no, like these these are like singers and dancers 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:24.600 who are like Corey Group dancing to a choreograph song 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:26.640 like and like the way that it worked in the 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:28.920 story too. I was like, oh, this is really going 0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:30.440 to like hit in a way like I was like, 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:32.160 so I knew from them that it was going to 0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:36.800 be like wild but interesting, and then to see the 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:38.840 rest of the stuff we did that season was just 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:41.160 like wow, and no one's even seen this yet, like 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.920 this is right. So I think that going from there. 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:50.200 I mean I remember being on the first tour. It 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:51.960 was the last leg of the first tours, was like 0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:56.160 Radio City Music Hall and Ryan would call the show. 0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:57.520 You know, we'd have like a little moment at the 0:33:57.560 --> 0:33:59.680 beginning and everyone would make a speech, and I remember 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:01.560 I was like, I'm going to say something here because 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:03.880 this was like the last you know, so this is 0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:06.160 the last leg of this trip and where Radio City 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.759 Music Hall and I referenced and I said to all 0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:12.919 of you, like I remember being like in that dark 0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:16.400 auditorium watching You'll Do Somebody to Love, like over and 0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:20.040 over and over and just like as an audience won 0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.319 and just like loving it so much and feeling like 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:24.480 it was so special and so intense, and then like 0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:26.279 and look where we are now. Now you're performing for 0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:29.040 thousands of people at Radio City Music Hall. Like that 0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:32.480 wasn't lost on me then, and then it just kept compounding, 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:37.279 like the next year. It's like going from I think 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.759 always going on tour was like a way to check 0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:43.560 the temperature of what is happening out there, because yes, 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:45.600 we all had Twitter, and Twitter was new, and it 0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:49.080 was like there was definitely a sense there of like 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:51.480 what the fandom was like, but it was like to 0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:58.080 be to be like physically barricading your bodies, just like 0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:00.880 going from a van to a hotel lobby and like 0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.440 hearing the screams of that arena and like I remember 0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:08.640 Indianapolis for some reason was like it was the best 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:16.120 wow smelloping and just to you know, so to see 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:20.400 that and to have, you know, to have literally witnessed 0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:24.120 it going from this like little thing and like sneaking 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:26.960 into rehearsals in the tin shed and like right, oh, 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:30.040 and like getting to know everyone and like knowing what 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.040 people's backgrounds were and like, Okay, this person has a 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:35.760 lot of experience in dance, and Jenna has the experience 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:39.520 in theater, and like you, Kevin has experience in music, 0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.719 and like and that, Like I always thought that was 0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:44.799 really cool how everyone like brought a little bit of 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:48.400 something but that of their own, but like the like 0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:53.799 speed with which it like became one cohesive thing, and 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:57.600 like it became like emblematic and iconic in this way 0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:01.279 of like you know, you're characters were, and I think 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.319 like a lot of that had to do with the 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:05.440 show and the costumes and everything, but it's like there 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:09.640 was just this like thing where everyone became it became 0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:11.719 this phenomenon and then it was that and it was 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:12.880 like unstoppable. 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:17.880 Hmmm. I remember on tour there was one city. I 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.480 don't know if you remember what city it was where 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.520 we were able to go see the fans. Like most 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:26.239 of the tour, we weren't able to go and meet 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:29.040 the fans. It was just impossible. There were too many 0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:32.759 people and it was dangerous. There was one city there 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:35.879 was chainling fences around the parking lot and somehow till 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:40.239 they got a golf cart, yes, and you round. I 0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:43.719 think it was Chicago, and we were like waving at 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:45.640 the fans and we would drive up and we would 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:49.160 sign through the chainling fence. We would sign people's posters. 0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:53.680 Maybe it was I don't know, the Chicago we were 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.759 able to like actually interact with the pot It was. 0:36:56.760 --> 0:37:00.120 You know. I think I remember that because man was 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:03.480 tweeting me about they have like shirts. 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:04.520 Yeah, gifts for us, right. 0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:07.960 Yes, That's the other thing I'll say is about sort 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:10.160 of when I realized too that like maybe this has 0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:14.279 gone beyond like what was expected. Was like also a 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:17.000 radio city music hall, and I like was like having 0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:18.880 a bat. It was a stressful day and there was 0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.200 like some shit going on. I was like I just 0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.200 need a second. I went out of the stage door 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.400 and I like sat down on the curb and just 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:27.360 like looked at my phone for a minute or whatever 0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:29.200 and just like took a breath and came back in 0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.560 and like checked my tweets and it was like four 0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.799 tweets being like oh we see you Toddle or like whoah, 0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:38.960 like people are tweeting me and having recognized me. And 0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.680 then it was like the next year it was like 0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:45.240 people were screaming my name as I left the arena, 0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:47.920 or like I would walk or and everyone would scream 0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:50.160 and ask me for autographs or they'd be like I 0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.359 have gifts for you, and it was sort of like, uh, 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:55.879 like what's going on here? Like it's very like if 0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:58.560 you know you know, but also yeah, where it was 0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.719 like how do you know who? I'm the guy who 0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:08.399 like it's cool? No, no, no, you know, I think yeah 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:14.280 it was. It was It was definitely nothing i'll witness 0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:16.719 like I you know, I'm lucky to have witnessed it. 0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:20.600 I think it was a totally singular experience of life 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.680 to like have like been with the show as it 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:27.920 went from you know, it's infancy into this like into 0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:31.880 today where it's still this thing. It's like on Wheeldy 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:37.239 growing like massive things that's just like he's creating and 0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:41.319 keeps reinventing and living on. And you know, I don't 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.440 think there was a day that I tried to that 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:45.600 I took it for granted that I was pinching myself 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.719 throughout the whole time, because it was just, Yeah, it 0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.160 was definitely in the back of my mind, I had 0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:54.080 that like, this is never really going to happen again. 0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:56.640 Do you have any numbers to stick out in your 0:38:56.680 --> 0:39:00.279 head that you remember when you you were watching while 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:05.240 we were shooting that, or anything that was of note 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:07.200 or yours one on. 0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:10.080 I definitely got a lot braver as far as where 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:12.520 I would be and what I would be doing during 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:16.319 the filming of the seas because like the first season thing, 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:19.200 I was literally outside the auditorium, like making sure nobody 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:23.759 walked in a lot of the numbers. But so and 0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:26.839 you know, things like stealing away for a rehearsal when 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:28.440 you guys were in ursal and stealing away and then 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:30.640 like someone's missing, so like I'll stand in for someone 0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:34.160 for a whole rehearsal. So it's like, right, a lot 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:36.200 of that happened for me in season three. And you 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:39.160 can learn choreo total, we can dance, yes, thank you. 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.279 It is one of my many talents. Give that. I 0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:45.759 remember standing in for Corey for Empire State of Mind, 0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:47.960 so I knew that whole dance, so it was like 0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:54.400 I could do that dance. I always always, always loved 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:58.000 the Treble Tones trouble Tones, and they're any of their 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:02.840 numbers and have distinct memories of dancing in the wings 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:09.239 with both to those numbers when ye just and to 0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:13.560 be like upper body of choreography too, yes, exactly, I'd 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:20.080 love the new directions, but yeah, geographically challenged people in 0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:25.480 that group, which really maybe limited the scope of choreography. 0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:29.680 But I'm calling for Trouble. 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:29.799 Tones was always fun because it was like, oh my god, 0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:31.920 you're moving your You're moving your neck and your hips 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:38.719 all the same time. But you know, I think there 0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:43.360 was always there was always something really special for me 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.120 about like being in the auditorium, especially if it was 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.160 like dark and I could just like sit there and 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:50.560 take it all in. Like I mean, any time the 0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:53.239 amber had a solo, I was just like sitting there 0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:55.480 completely wrapped yea. 0:40:57.160 --> 0:40:57.520 Mm hmm. 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:00.239 But you know, I think and so I think I 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:03.080 just like lots of little and fun memories and always 0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:06.560 what was always great and exciting about it as a 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:09.799 PA and as a script coordinator was like seeing it 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:11.839 on the page, how it was written and what it was, 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:14.960 and then in the first part of the show, being 0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:17.960 like so surprised with like whoa, I had no idea, 0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:19.520 like the set was going to look like this, so 0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:22.240 that there was going to be pyrotechnics or like everyone 0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:24.120 was going to be dressed in this costume or whatever. 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:26.400 You know, It's like it's kind of that stuff when 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:29.319 you're not in a production meeting. You know, no, that's 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:33.239 all happening. And so the excitement of like showing up 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:35.160 on set and being like what is it going to 0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:39.840 look like? It was exciting or like hmm, or you know, 0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:42.319 like I remember with like True Colors, it was just 0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:44.799 like they sing True Colors. And then like showing up 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:46.840 and it was like Jenna as it was your solo 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:48.480 and like I had no idea, and it was like, 0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:50.759 it's just so exciting to have that like and then 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:53.839 it's like, oh, like listening to it for the first time, yeah, 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.120 for the hundredth time, just like you know, like finding 0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:59.839 that excitement in it each time. So I have like 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:04.560 lots of great memories of watching the numbers and participating 0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:08.120 in the numbers when I could and always yeah, yeah, 0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:10.799 and just like being there. I was, but you know, 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:14.200 always loved the group numbers. The big splashy one Somebody 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:17.959 to Love was always, you know, I always have fund 0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:18.799 memories of that one. 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.360 And yeah, that's a special one for sure. 0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:24.080 And then yeah, on the tour, I like worked my 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:28.040 way into the safety dand so that was always a 0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:32.400 nice big number Riverdee Mountain High. It was like willing 0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:35.120 to watch. Also there was the aspect of like watching 0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:38.879 everyone else, like when it was solos or duets, It's 0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:42.320 like watching everyone else's reaction was always really fun, especially 0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:45.880 if it was like a special guest star or whatever like. 0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:49.840 So it was like, right, numbers were always a big 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:54.120 fun thing to do. A lot of other there were. 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:57.000 They're huge undertakings a lot of the time, so they 0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.719 were a daunting But it was also especially those rehearsals, 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:01.080 for its very very exciting. 0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:06.320 Speaking of guest stars, yes, you got to interact with everyone, 0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:11.399 like yeah, and form close personal relationships with some of them, 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:12.399 that's right. 0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:15.480 I mean seasons four or five and six, I was 0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:18.439 no longer on set, so I while I did meet 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.279 some of those guests I didn't really like interact with 0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:24.080 some of the most The last special guests are on 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:28.400 set that I like was working with was Woo Pee Goldberg, 0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:30.680 which was like so cool. I was like, I literally 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:34.360 still sometimes I'm like what she was Also like it 0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:37.840 was crazy that how many people were all the time. 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.920 But yeah, again, like I think I approached that in 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:46.040 a in that same way of like they're just like 0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:49.759 they're they're here just like any other actor or any 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:54.120 other day players here. So like I went in with 0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:56.480 just like that's you know, it's always helpful to like 0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.319 have what you're gonna say rehearsed. And on that show, 0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.239 it certainly was just like a very routine thing to 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:05.920 like welcome someone to set. But yeah, I think I 0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:08.720 never was I never really was like intimidated by anyone. 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:13.240 So I think that helped in like helping to establish 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:18.000 that that dynamic. But also it was like so exciting. 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:21.520 I mean, your bond with Gwyneth was hilarious. 0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:22.720 Gwyneth loved you. 0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:24.759 Gwyneth and I hit it off really well, which was 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:30.440 amazing and hilarious, and yeah, and it was always it 0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:32.360 was again, it would just come out from like hanging 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:35.239 out on set and just like we would all just 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:37.640 be like Gavin and with each other. And it was 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.879 like there were some some start some guest stars who 0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:43.359 you knew were like there to do the job and 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:45.919 that's great, and they're like they've got other shit going 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:48.160 on and they're in and out and whatever. But it's 0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:51.319 like some were like also just there to hang Yeah, 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:58.279 totally and wanted to and they're sitting there in the 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:01.680 chairs between takes, like getting the goss and wanting to 0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:02.560 know who's who. 0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:04.719 Yes, and yeah. 0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:08.440 So she she was definitely there. She was into play. 0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:14.360 She was there to play fun. And you know, also 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.840 it was really cool and kind of like humbling to 0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:20.880 see a lot of these huge stars that you've like 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:24.839 admired for your life and then they come in and 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:29.080 to see them kind of like because you throw in 0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:33.239 like music and dance and and then all of a 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:36.799 sudden they're you know, back at sort of square one, 0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:39.440 and you can see how nervous they are or how 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.000 like this is so far out of what they normally do, 0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:44.120 and it's like it's sort of this humbling thing where 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:49.000 you're like, oh, yeah, like are people too all people 0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:54.440 that are terrified and dancing, you know, you know, whatever 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:56.480 it is, it's like, it's like so just to like 0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:01.200 be exposed to it on that level too, was always 0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:06.239 really yeah, humbling and reassuring that just like nobody here 0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:08.680 really knows. That was another thing too about Glee. It's 0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:11.040 like you had to kind of maybe realize a little later, 0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:15.440 Like and certainly as I'm listening to episodes of your 0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.640 podcast and hearing from people like Ryan, it's like none 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:21.480 of us knew what we were doing. Everyone was flying 0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:23.880 by the seat of their pants. Yea, you know, and 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:28.719 that includes like everyone starts, that includes the guest stars. 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:40.480 So your pa, Yeah, then you do script coordinator for 0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:44.600 how long? So I started script coordinating. I think the 0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:48.160 first episode I script coordinated was promised source So that 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:53.240 was end of three. So I did a few episodes 0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:55.800 of season three, and then I did all of season four, 0:46:56.280 --> 0:47:00.560 season five, and season six as script coordinator. And season six, 0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:03.160 which was I think only thirteen episodes. I was actually 0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:07.440 in the writer's room for those episodes and wrote one 0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:12.080 of those episodes of the six I did have the 0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:15.840 credit of writer amazing technically by the end, which is 0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:19.719 very cool. Moving on up, Yeah, it was like it 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.480 was a It was very It was a nice place 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:26.520 to end up just in terms of like the scope 0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:29.719 of my own like path on the show. It felt 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:35.759 very accomplished, but also like felt like, yeah, I sort 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:37.960 of like when I left Glee moved on to Scream 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:41.000 Queens and was there, it sort of felt like, oh, okay, 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:44.319 I'm now at like the bottom of the next like 0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:49.239 there had been a graduation of sorts where yeah, I 0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.160 like moved you know, being in being in the writer's 0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:56.680 room with Glee was super fun super different than being 0:47:56.680 --> 0:48:02.279 on set, very uh yeah, a very different environment. And 0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:07.080 it's funny because, like I know, it felt like Ryan 0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:10.759 like maybe checked out or wasn't involved as involved in 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:15.680 the later seasons, certainly on a production level, but to 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.800 the end he was like still coming into that writer's 0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:22.319 room and pishing the stories and telling us what the 0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:24.880 songs were going to be, like coming in and just 0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:27.160 being like it's going to be this episode, and it's 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:29.120 going to be this, this, this and this and then 0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:33.399 and it's like so it's like to the end, he 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:36.200 was still involved, and he read every script before it 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:39.120 went out, and he looked at every page, every scene. 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:41.799 I think there was maybe one episode that he did 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:45.560 not like personally read and sign off on before it 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:51.600 went to production. But you know, so he yeah, so 0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:55.600 he was always still involved to whatever degree, but to 0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:57.400 be in that writing room and see like how it 0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:00.879 worked and how he clicked and how the shorthand, even 0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:02.600 though it was the full staff at that time, like 0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:05.719 the shorthand he had with Ian and with Brad and 0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:12.000 with everyone really and sort of and like ultimately, you know, 0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:14.920 because I had I don't have. I didn't have a 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:17.839 lot of writing experience. Didn't want to be you know, 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:21.080 like stepping on any toes. But what was cool about 0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:25.399 Glee is the music and the fact that like that's 0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:28.960 a super really easy thing to pitch when you're like 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:33.480 starting out in a room you're like where you're like 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:36.680 you might feel a little bit funny about pitching a 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:40.319 storyline or like especially when so much is handed down 0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:44.759 from above, Like it was. Having that sort of like 0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:49.120 that very basic element of the script was like a 0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:53.040 really good, like easy sort of like playground to play in. 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:57.000 Yeah that went because you got I got the sense 0:49:57.040 --> 0:50:00.200 of a pitch falling flat, I got the sense of 0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:03.520 hitting I got you know, like I got songs on 0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:06.680 the show that I pitched and that you know, never 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:08.600 would have been on there had I not, which is great, 0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:12.200 but but it's but it's just songs. It's not like 0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:15.240 it's not your own ideas and your own writing, which 0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:18.200 you know as a writer that that definitely comes up 0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:22.239 that sort of those feelings of rejection. But m yeah, 0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:26.960 So it was definitely a different pace being in the 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:30.879 writer's office and a whole different beast than being on set. 0:50:30.960 --> 0:50:37.239 But it was What was nice and similar is that 0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:39.920 I feel like there was a chance to sort of 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:42.960 put my own stamp on things as far as like 0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:46.640 how the job was done. It helped that I knew 0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:51.040 everyone in the production so well, because right definitely you're 0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:52.800 you know, you know the right people to tell the 0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:57.040 right information too. But ultimately, I think it it was 0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:01.120 like a way for me to pivot to working a 0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:04.880 little bit more directly with the you know, creative producers 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:08.200 and get a little bit closer to the writing process 0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:12.520 and eventually in in the writing process, and you know, 0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:15.759 so that was sort of I don't know, looking back, 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:17.799 that's sort of just like a really dreamy track to 0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:18.320 have taken. 0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:21.680 Selfishally, I loved it because I would come hang out 0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:25.680 with you. It's alternate between the loft and megs. And 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:27.200 then I would come to you and you like, have 0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:28.800 this couch in your office. 0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:29.520 I did. 0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:34.279 It was the best. I would disappear. Oh god, it 0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:36.960 was great. I loved those days because I would just 0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:37.880 completely disappear. 0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:43.560 That's the great thing about working on a Ryan Murphy shows. 0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:50.480 Every office is just decorated so beautifully, so gorgeous. The taste. 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:53.600 Adore the taste. We've got, the taste we have. 0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:59.040 Got the I have two questions for you. 0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:01.839 Yeah, let's get hit me. I'm in the hot seat now. 0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:04.800 WHOA. 0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.400 That's the different master of games as well, that we 0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:10.880 would play hot seat, we'd played Mafia, all kinds of 0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:12.640 dream wedding. 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:16.160 Yes, if we're all just tactics to keep you all 0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:20.759 in the same place, and the word they loved to 0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:22.920 play them today exactly. 0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:27.080 Is there anybody that sticks out to you in your 0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:32.760 time on the show, in the crew or on set 0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:37.520 every day that just sticks out to you because you 0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:42.600 you were like the the meeting of the minds for everybody, 0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:45.640 And I'm just curious you like really encountered everybody on 0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:46.359 the day to day. 0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:52.600 Well, yes, I did feel very strong connections with lots 0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:55.839 of people, and even if they weren't strong connections, like yeah, 0:52:55.840 --> 0:53:00.560 I was interacting with almost everybody, and to have so 0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:03.960 much deep love for so many top of mind, it's 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:07.560 like got to be my girls. Aaron Kruger, mccash and 0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:16.120 Kelly Mitchell makeup department heads. Yeah, because you know, work 0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:19.680 euro based camp, working closely with the actors, ads and 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:24.240 hair and makeup are kind of always working together, and 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:29.239 you know, they really kind of took me under their 0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:34.319 wing early on as like a young green pa and 0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:40.080 really kind of like helped me understand what my role 0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:42.279 was a little bit better, especially in terms of their 0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:48.640 roles were. And they were also I mean just amazing 0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:53.480 people to talk with, like incredible experience in the industry, right, 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:57.560 and so just yeah, lots of like I just have 0:53:57.640 --> 0:54:00.480 memories of lots of late nights of you know, picking 0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:03.640 their brains, having them tell me stories just like of 0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:08.800 their youth, of their early experiences like cracking jokes, having 0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:12.520 a good laugh, lots of dancing together, and then like 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:18.480 mornings in the trailer just like sack whatever, talking about 0:54:18.560 --> 0:54:22.359 anything and everything and just sort of hanging out. And 0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:25.880 like also I was always just so in awe of 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:29.320 the work, their work that they did. Yeah, incredible, she 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:32.840 could be said of Zach Woodley. I mean Zach was 0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:36.280 more of like a rock star kind of like I'd 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:40.120 like cool kid on campus vibe. Like never did I 0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:41.759 feel like he was ignoring me or anything. But he 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:44.640 had that like a bit of an elusiveness. So it's 0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:46.279 like there would be times where Zach would pass by 0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:48.719 and he'd be like, you come with me, and we'd 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:50.120 like go out and have a cigarette, and I was like, 0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:52.000 oh my god, Zach wants to hang out with me. 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:58.279 This is the coolest thing ever. Yes, Yeah, so Zach 0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:02.839 definitely I had. I always cherished time spent with back 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:06.719 on set again personally, but also just like always in 0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:09.719 awe of like how quickly he could work and how 0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:14.120 quickly he could adapt, and you know, the ways in 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:19.080 which he interacted with with the cast or whoever it was. 0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:22.759 You know, that's all stuff that like I picked up on. 0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:26.200 And you know that's the cool thing too about being 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:29.360 on set as a PA is like you're kind of 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.640 in the middle of everything, but you really get a 0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:35.200 great idea of like what every department does, what it's 0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:37.359 possible for and how they do it to the point 0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:42.680 where you know you're you're able to witness like everyone's 0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:45.880 impeccable work from like one vantage point and that's really 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:49.799 really cool. Yeah, I mean there was the list could 0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:51.920 go on and on, but you know, those are some 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:55.839 top of mind people on it. But every day was 0:55:55.880 --> 0:55:58.239 like it was like summer camp or school in this 0:55:58.320 --> 0:56:01.000 amazing way where you could just like it's like, wow, 0:56:01.040 --> 0:56:03.520 we get to hang out again tomorrow all day and 0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:05.719 like I'm when I talk to this person or it's 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:08.719 like you know, if it's like this from Electric or 0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:11.520 you know, Joey from the Camera department or whatever, it's 0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:14.040 just like I'm gonna sit and learn more about these 0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:17.120 people because I'm spending more time with them than I 0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:20.960 am with my own family. So true. 0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:28.239 Second question, what is the feeling that Glee leaves you with? 0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:33.840 Oh God, how was time to have for that one? 0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:39.040 There are many feelings that Glee leaves me with. I 0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:43.200 think most of all it's pride, Like I'm so proud 0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:47.440 of myself for the work I know I accomplished, but 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:53.279 you know, more over everyone else, you guys, especially like 0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:57.560 those people I just mentioned in the crew, it's just 0:56:57.600 --> 0:57:03.120 like a sense of like you like a deep satisfaction 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:06.040 and pride of like wow, like look what we did, 0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:11.000 like what look what we did every day? And yeah, 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:16.560 so I think that that it's among many many other feelings. 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:19.600 There's definitely just yeah, a strong sense of pride. 0:57:20.200 --> 0:57:22.760 It's a good one, Thank you, a good one. 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:24.120 I just got TEARI eyed. 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:28.800 I can talk about the anxiety, the anxiety if you 0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:29.800 want that. 0:57:32.000 --> 0:57:32.960 For another episode. 0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:45.840 Yeah, we watched the breakup the breakup episode, and there 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:50.680 was a flashback of Corey and I sobbed Telly. Yeah, 0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:58.360 not to bring up sad things, but after Corey passed, 0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:05.480 you were in the writer's and I just remember you 0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:08.480 texting me because we were all obviously very off, you know, 0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:12.160 like shit was weird. Everything felt weird. It sort of 0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:15.200 felt like we were trudging through deep water. No one 0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:17.440 really wanted to be there, right, we know how to 0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:22.960 be And I remember you saying, it's just so weird 0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:26.320 to keep showing up to the same place where we 0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:29.320 spent the most time with him, and like we have to, right, 0:58:29.400 --> 0:58:32.320 you can't like you can't leave escape it, right, and 0:58:32.360 --> 0:58:35.880 we're like we're still within the same four walls every 0:58:35.920 --> 0:58:38.800 single day, And I remember in one brother was like, 0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:42.440 oh my god, he's right. That is so sad and upsetting. 0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:46.320 But the flip side of that was, Oh, thank god, 0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:51.480 I'm surrounded by these people who know this specific experience 0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:52.080 and there's. 0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:54.600 So many of us and you don't have to laying 0:58:54.680 --> 0:58:55.680 it to no. 0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:58.320 And it was my first time, you know, dealing with 0:58:58.400 --> 0:58:59.920 grief in any sort of way like that, and it 0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:02.320 was nice to be able to have people around me 0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:05.120 who could voice it in different ways, verbalize in different ways, 0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:08.760 to explain things that I didn't know how to identify 0:59:09.120 --> 0:59:09.840 within myself. 0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:14.520 Yeah, and I think like those are various experiences with 0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:18.880 grief in my I've always learned and noticed that it's 0:59:18.920 --> 0:59:21.760 like you do learn like everyone does it a different way, 0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:23.600 and there's something you can kind of learn or pick 0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:27.280 up on from everyone that year that's with you there 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:31.560 in that In that case, it was it was a 0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:35.680 strange time season four though, is uh. I feel like 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:38.240 there was a little bit of like creative freedom in 0:59:38.280 --> 0:59:41.720 those episodes that they put in three. So I wonder 0:59:41.800 --> 0:59:44.600 if on a rewatch that I might not like season 0:59:44.600 --> 0:59:46.600 four a little bit more than I remembered liking it, 0:59:47.680 --> 0:59:50.640 just know, I'm really big swings. I don't know what 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:51.440 are your impressions. 0:59:51.720 --> 0:59:55.680 So people are telling us it's not that good, but 0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:58.720 so far we're what four episodes, and I guess at 0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:00.920 this point, yeah, I'm really liking it. 1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:03.840 There are big swings, but I think they're pretty successful 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:06.800 thus far. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. 1:00:07.080 --> 1:00:09.240 This is like all of the new It's very like 1:00:09.440 --> 1:00:14.680 Lost when Lost season four was new People last four wards? 1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:20.200 Where are what we do? That's not like Lost at all? 1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:22.320 Right, you're totally right. 1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:25.400 So Kelly texted me, I don't know, probably a year 1:00:25.440 --> 1:00:27.919 ago now, being like, I've been listening to the podcast 1:00:28.400 --> 1:00:32.000 and you've been getting some things wrong. I did, and 1:00:32.080 --> 1:00:33.920 I don't know if you have a running list or 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:34.960 if you remember any of this. 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:37.640 And then I did. I sort of did, but then 1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:41.120 I didn't. I wasn't listening consistently enough and then and 1:00:41.160 --> 1:00:43.800 it wasn't that things were wrong, it's just that Okay, 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:47.200 So you know, the three of us often are speaking 1:00:47.240 --> 1:00:52.360 together on the phone, especially you know around Christmas. Yes, 1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:56.400 we're having lots of convos, having lots of face time. Anyway, 1:00:56.760 --> 1:01:00.720 So there there was something about there is something about 1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:02.960 listening to your podcast that makes me just feel like 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:07.680 I'm on a conference call with you, so being like 1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:10.720 where you guys will be like what was it? Like 1:01:10.920 --> 1:01:13.160 was it this? Was it that? Like where were we? 1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:15.040 And I'll know the answer as all. 1:01:15.000 --> 1:01:17.360 Are you yelling at us out? Yeah? 1:01:17.440 --> 1:01:20.520 And then so there were just like some examples of that, 1:01:20.600 --> 1:01:22.200 you guys being like, yeah, maybe it was this, and 1:01:22.240 --> 1:01:24.360 I'm like, no, no, it was the other one. 1:01:24.680 --> 1:01:26.920 That's funny, that's really funny. 1:01:27.840 --> 1:01:33.840 There's been any likeagious inaccuracies. 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:40.600 I wouldn't be surprised if things just little things. 1:01:39.520 --> 1:01:42.600 Well, no, Telly's got a steel trap. 1:01:42.880 --> 1:01:46.920 You know. Now you're in the now, you're in the later, 1:01:47.040 --> 1:01:49.720 the latter half when I was in charge of the continuity. 1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:53.960 So maybe I'll have some more great some more. Maybe 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:56.160 So I'll listen. I'll listen to a few and see 1:01:56.200 --> 1:01:59.600 if there's anything. But I was thinking, and I will 1:01:59.640 --> 1:02:01.240 just add this. I don't know if this is even 1:02:01.320 --> 1:02:05.840 something that you want to hear, but I was thinking 1:02:05.840 --> 1:02:08.320 about how I was so good at the continuity right 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:09.800 because I was like I was on set for all 1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:11.600 these scenes. I know exactly what who was talking to 1:02:11.640 --> 1:02:14.080 whom and about what, Like no, this reference is wrong. 1:02:14.160 --> 1:02:16.800 It wasn't that. But there's this like one thing that 1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:19.560 still haunts me to this day that I missed. Oh yes, 1:02:19.640 --> 1:02:24.320 tell us please please, probably coming up in the Thanksgiving 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:32.160 episode season four, is there's that scene at the prom 1:02:32.320 --> 1:02:34.120 Maybe it's at the prompt anyway, it's the end of 1:02:34.120 --> 1:02:37.480 season three with Rachel and Quinn in the bathroom, and like, 1:02:37.600 --> 1:02:41.400 someone gives someone a train ticket, doesn't Rachel give Quinn 1:02:41.440 --> 1:02:46.480 a train ticket to visit her at visitor whatever? Yes, 1:02:47.240 --> 1:02:49.080 So many episodes later. 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:51.400 Q gives Rachel, Quinn gives Rachel the ticket. 1:02:51.680 --> 1:02:57.479 Okay, so later in the Thanksgiving episode it's referenced and 1:02:58.000 --> 1:03:01.920 where Quin's like, she never even used that train ticket. 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:04.440 I got her, but really it was Rachel who got 1:03:04.480 --> 1:03:07.360 it for Quinn and not Quinn who got it for Rachel. 1:03:08.280 --> 1:03:10.040 And I made that mistake and I went all the 1:03:10.040 --> 1:03:12.800 way to the show and I don't even know if 1:03:12.800 --> 1:03:15.800 anyone ever caught it, but I was like, this is 1:03:15.840 --> 1:03:17.280 my this is. 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:21.760 My glaring, this is you publicly outing yourself. 1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:22.960 I'm responsible for that. 1:03:23.360 --> 1:03:27.520 Look, there are worse things. Yeah, telling the worst thing. 1:03:28.560 --> 1:03:31.520 I wouldn't I wouldn't worry too much about it. I 1:03:31.560 --> 1:03:32.880 hope you don't just sleep over it. 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:34.360 I hope you seen really well tonight. 1:03:35.080 --> 1:03:36.360 Chest There's no way. 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:37.520 Yeah, yeah, that's it. 1:03:37.640 --> 1:03:39.520 I'm glad we could provide you a platform for that. 1:03:41.760 --> 1:03:46.280 Yeah. My salvation is here and it's always been us long. 1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:48.560 Well, You're welcome. 1:03:51.680 --> 1:03:54.640 So much. Anytime. I'd love to talk. 1:03:55.920 --> 1:03:57.560 And I think it'd be really fun to do an 1:03:57.600 --> 1:03:58.640 episode recap with you. 1:03:59.240 --> 1:04:01.600 Fabulous you know which one. I'd love to do that. 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:06.040 Okay, great, look at look at for and see if 1:04:06.040 --> 1:04:07.240 there's anything that sticks. 1:04:06.960 --> 1:04:12.360 Out for sure. Thank you so much for doing this. 1:04:13.680 --> 1:04:17.960 Bye bye bye, Oh Kelly. 1:04:18.160 --> 1:04:21.720 Oh sweet tea. Man. I honestly it's like without Telly 1:04:21.840 --> 1:04:23.520 there is no gly No. 1:04:23.760 --> 1:04:25.640 I don't I honestly don't know how anything would have 1:04:25.640 --> 1:04:31.240 gotten done, and it scares me to think about. Obviously, 1:04:31.320 --> 1:04:34.160 the rules were sort of the structures were a little 1:04:34.360 --> 1:04:38.400 bent when we were making the show because Kelly did 1:04:38.400 --> 1:04:43.920 feel so many different obligations that are not part of 1:04:43.960 --> 1:04:47.840 a normal job description. And if you had someone come 1:04:47.880 --> 1:04:52.160 in who was very by the book about it, I 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:54.000 just don't know what. I don't know what that experience 1:04:54.040 --> 1:04:58.360 would have been like, because it's it's hard to separate 1:04:59.120 --> 1:05:01.160 the joy that you see on screen from the joy 1:05:01.200 --> 1:05:06.480 we felt behind the scenes on set, right, and I 1:05:06.520 --> 1:05:10.000 think a lot of that was created. A big part 1:05:10.000 --> 1:05:12.080 of that was Telly, but it was also every crew 1:05:12.120 --> 1:05:13.720 member where we were all. 1:05:13.680 --> 1:05:16.600 Just well, Which is why I think when people say 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:19.160 a lot of guests on the show come on and 1:05:19.200 --> 1:05:23.280 they say it, you'll it'll never happen again. Like I 1:05:23.680 --> 1:05:26.440 it was a really special crew, a really special set. 1:05:26.960 --> 1:05:29.800 I think that's why was because it felt like a 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:34.720 family and everybody did integrate in a way that doesn't 1:05:34.720 --> 1:05:37.040 always happen on set. And it's also there's not always 1:05:37.040 --> 1:05:40.120 time for it. But we were spending time more time 1:05:40.160 --> 1:05:44.640 with our crew and our cast than our own families. Yeah, 1:05:44.640 --> 1:05:47.280 and so when it's a lot of like to you know, 1:05:47.680 --> 1:05:50.840 two hand or scenes onlike you know what I mean, Like, 1:05:51.320 --> 1:05:52.840 it's it's a different dynamic. 1:05:53.400 --> 1:05:53.920 Yeah. 1:05:54.160 --> 1:05:57.640 So but you're right to your point. I don't I 1:05:57.640 --> 1:06:00.480 don't want to imagine a Glee without Telly and without 1:06:00.480 --> 1:06:01.600 our family, you know. 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:02.120 Yeah. 1:06:02.200 --> 1:06:03.960 I think it also speaks to like the type of 1:06:03.960 --> 1:06:08.000 show we were making. I think it had never really 1:06:08.080 --> 1:06:11.880 done been done before in this way. I think people 1:06:11.880 --> 1:06:15.040 felt really proud of it, right, and it was something 1:06:15.080 --> 1:06:16.560 their whole family could watch. It was something that they 1:06:16.600 --> 1:06:17.960 could be proud of us punning awards. 1:06:18.000 --> 1:06:18.560 It was very. 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:23.320 Successful, right, and there was no when you are singing 1:06:23.360 --> 1:06:26.560 songs every day and getting to watch those performances, I 1:06:26.600 --> 1:06:29.080 think it does something for your like psyche of Yeah, 1:06:29.080 --> 1:06:31.680 we may have to be here fifteen sixteen hours a day, but. 1:06:31.640 --> 1:06:32.520 Look what we're doing. 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:34.240 Yeah, we could do something really fun. 1:06:34.320 --> 1:06:37.120 And then also on top of that, once it came 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:40.240 out and you could see how positively it was impacting 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:43.000 people right and representing people, that's just the whole other thing. 1:06:43.040 --> 1:06:45.320 And so I think it was just I think Telly 1:06:45.360 --> 1:06:48.320 was right to say pride, you know, is a great 1:06:48.320 --> 1:06:51.560 word for it, because all the departments felt it. 1:06:51.680 --> 1:06:54.720 Yes, Ian used the same one. Well, thanks Kelly for 1:06:54.720 --> 1:06:56.560 coming on. I hope you guys enjoyed that episode with 1:06:56.680 --> 1:06:58.400 our team. Man, thanks for. 1:06:58.400 --> 1:07:00.240 Joining us, and that's what you really meant. 1:07:00.240 --> 1:07:00.640 I came more. 1:07:00.640 --> 1:07:03.280 And finally I gotta tell you thanks for listening and 1:07:03.400 --> 1:07:06.040 follow us on Instagram at and that's what you really 1:07:06.040 --> 1:07:08.040 miss pod and make sure to write us a review 1:07:08.080 --> 1:07:09.360 and leave us five stars. 1:07:09.560 --> 1:07:10.240 See you next time,