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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to you, and that's what you're the miss podcast.

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Speaker 1: Well today, Kevin, we've got We've got him, the.

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Speaker 2: Man, the myth, the legends. Telly is the Glee Club. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he is Glee. He is what made us like us

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Speaker 2: Glee Club members show up.

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Speaker 1: He's the glue.

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Speaker 2: He's the actual glue.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't really need an introduction. If you know, if

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Speaker 1: you know Glee, you know Telly. If you know the cast,

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Speaker 1: you know Telly. But he was a PA that started

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Speaker 1: it and basically created his own role in dynamic on

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Speaker 1: the show as basically our our wrangler in corraling all

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Speaker 1: of us fools together. But it was our strategy to

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Speaker 1: keep Kelly around. It was I don't want to listen

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Speaker 1: to who's that. It's not Telly. No, okay, anyway, here's

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Speaker 1: telling kusagas enjoy. Hi.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Jenna, and I haven't seen you in forever.

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Speaker 1: I know, a really long time. How are you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm okay, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: It's just okay's had a.

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Speaker 3: Great time in Thailand. Okay, back in the real world,

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Speaker 3: I know. Is it hard to adjust back to this life.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't want to know.

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Speaker 2: I'll call you after this, because I do want to know,

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Speaker 2: in fact, and actually maybe I should. We should get

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Speaker 2: lunch after this.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh man, it's good to have you here.

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Speaker 3: It's so great to be here.

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Speaker 2: If anybody has ever listened to any sort of Glee

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes, anything, seen any photos, then you know

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Speaker 2: who Telly Kusakis is, because there is no Glee without.

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Speaker 3: T to say.

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Speaker 2: It's true, it's true, like you were such a vital

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Speaker 2: piece of making the show work. You know, We've interviewed

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but.

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Speaker 2: Damn Kelly, you had a job that no one else

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Speaker 2: could do well. Yes, and nobody nobody else wanted. You

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's true. That's true. For those who don't know,

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Speaker 3: I started on Glee as a set PA, and typically

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Speaker 2: And you started immediately right. You didn't work on the

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Speaker 2: It's like no, I know that I intimately knew everything.

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Speaker 2: what's up you like guys? Oh no, you said, did you.

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Speaker 2: But I can't I can't probably express the ways in

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Speaker 2: Which is sort of like you and Meg's ended up

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Speaker 3: or it was you know this sort of or interrupt

437
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 3: conversations without being rude, Like it's just these weird little

438
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 3: soft skills that you need, yes, and ultimately end up

439
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: in being like being able to command the room or

440
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 3: get I mean. And this was not and it's not

441
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: even a way of saying like everyone was acting so

442
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 3: crazy that they needed someone special to like rein it

443
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: in or it's like no, just like the sheer volume

444
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 3: of people like fifteen afters touched up and on.

445
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: Set, yes, is like at the same time, it's hurting

446
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: Castle more.

447
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 3: And it's like not any that's not the normal. That's

448
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 3: not the normal thing.

449
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: So yes, it's not, it's not. It was a lot

450
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: to take on and then especial, Yeah, you was crazy.

451
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: I was actually thinking about this the other day because

452
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 3: I was like thinking like, oh, Kevin must be like

453
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 3: he must almost he must be like almost thirty two

454
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 3: or something. And then I was like, wait a second,

455
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 3: he's only like a few years younger than me, like

456
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: he's thirty five. And then I was like when we

457
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 3: met and you were like twenty four, It's like that's

458
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 3: what there's like. So it's like I remember being like,

459
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm so much older than this kid. Yeah,

460
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: learn and dah da da da and it's like and

461
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 3: then jenneb you being like two years you know in

462
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 3: between oh she knows you know and I are basically

463
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: the same age, but like the young kid is not.

464
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 3: And then now I'm like, okay, no, we're the same age.

465
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: I remember feeling like all of my twenties, I was

466
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: like Chris and I felt like I'm always around older people.

467
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: Oh I'm always Oh my god, Wow, okay the kid

468
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: comes out.

469
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, well in the same age.

470
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we are.

471
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 3: So yes, I was young when I thought I wasn't

472
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 3: young starting out fly. I look back now and I'm like,

473
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 3: it was a baby child.

474
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: Now when you were when you were passing the torch

475
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: over to megs d after all those we did we

476
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,239
Speaker 1: pushed you. No, we're encouraging you, but tell us, like,

477
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear in your mom mind. Did you

478
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: hit a breaking point? Was there a point where you're like,

479
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: I got to get out of here, or what was

480
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: it that made you How did you get to the

481
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: next level? In the Ryan Murphy camp, well.

482
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: What happened with my so I guess it was very

483
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: early on. It was like season one. The producers were

484
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 3: very much, like I got really good feedback from them,

485
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 3: and in that like we want you here, we want

486
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 3: you to work with us, we want to promote you

487
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: when we can. We don't know what that is or

488
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 3: what it'll look like, but that was sort of like

489
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: part of the discussion for me really starting early on,

490
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 3: which was great. At one point. I think it was

491
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: actually season at the end of season two into season three.

492
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: Matt Hodson was Ryan's assistant at the time, and it

493
00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 3: was being promoted and he you know, so that position available.

494
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 3: I talked to him about that. I was still at

495
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: that point, so to answer maybe the breaking point question,

496
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 3: like at that point, I was still like into being

497
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: on set, wanting to be on set, like being Ryan's

498
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: assistant like had its appeal, but like, wasn't weighing out

499
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: the on set job at that time. It's funny, I

500
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: have lots of like sliding doors moments of like what

501
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: if I had done that, Yeah, right, would have changed.

502
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: But anyway, so so I think then and then I

503
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: guess it was midway or you know, towards the end

504
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: of season three that the script coordinator was fired or

505
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: left or something and so that position was available, which

506
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 3: I didn't really know a lot about the position, but

507
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 3: after finding out that it's sort of like a you know,

508
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: a liaison between the writers in the production office and

509
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: you sort of handle this the formatting and proofreading of

510
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 3: the scripts and the continuity of the show and things

511
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: like that. That definitely felt like also in my wheelhouse

512
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 3: as skills were concerned and seemed appealing. And so by

513
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 3: the time that came around, I think with the season

514
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: three and just feeling like, yeah, maybe I felt like

515
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 3: there was enough appeal there where I was like, Okay,

516
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 3: I can leave this behind. I think maybe I feel

517
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: like also i'd maybe like hit a ceiling on set

518
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 3: where it was like what more can I do? As

519
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 3: fart like there, you know, because it's like taking on

520
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: more responsibility on set is like a whole other DGA,

521
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 3: like a d thing, right, which was like the path

522
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 3: I wanted to go down, right.

523
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: You sort of like maxed out what you could do.

524
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 3: Because it was like a new thing that didn't really exist.

525
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: It was like its own thing. It kind of felt

526
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: like it had grown to where it could grow. And

527
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: then yeah, and there was something really exciting about for

528
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: me about like taking on new responsibilities in the writer's office,

529
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: like getting closer to the writing process and in turn

530
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 3: just learning a lot more about actually about how the product,

531
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 3: how production works, you know. So it was so it

532
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: didn't I didn't reach a breaking point. I think I

533
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: reached a point where I think with like with anything,

534
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 3: there's like when you're doing the same thing over and

535
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: over again, and there's like maybe some resentment that builds

536
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 3: up that was like the job, not so much of

537
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 3: the people. And then so yeah, I think I was

538
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 3: just ready to move on because I also loved the

539
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: idea of having regular office hours and not because the

540
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: thing that is so wearing about being on set in

541
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: a crew is that you're there the whole time, right

542
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: there all day long, right, and so it was like, yeah,

543
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: so it's just like a lot of time and so and.

544
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: You're there before us and after us.

545
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and for the scene. You know, it's like if

546
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: we have you know, acchoir room scene in the beginning

547
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: of the day, but then the rest of the day

548
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: it's just a little start. It's like, you know, you're

549
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: there for everything, Yeah, all scenes with one or two

550
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: actors to the big group numbers. But I think a

551
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: lot of the reasons maybe I didn't take that first

552
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: opportunity to like get off set. There was a little

553
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: bit of like fomo too and like part of the

554
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: group and like being there for those times. And then

555
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: I think when it looked like I don't know, maybe

556
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: it just happened this way, but like it sort of

557
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: felt like after season three anyway, like with this, you know,

558
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: story wise, with the half of the group going to

559
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: New York, and then like it felt like a disjointed

560
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 3: different thing anyway. And at this point again it was

561
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: like I was secure enough with all of my relationships

562
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: with people on set. I was like, okay, well and

563
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: we're all still working on the same project, so it's

564
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: like I'm not right. It's like we're gonna maybe spend

565
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: a little less space to face time together and that's okay.

566
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: And and ultimately, yeah, it's just like going to every

567
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: department and getting their time sheets and just those little

568
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: like as it's been three years, like I can't keep

569
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: doing this.

570
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: I remember us having conversations with you. We were like, Telly,

571
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: like we want you here, kind of like you kind

572
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 2: of go and I remember you like really taking your

573
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: I remember at the end of season two and you're

574
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: considering that, and it also just felt like, well, I

575
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: also want to be with like these people I love

576
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: every day, and like you built this position into like

577
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: what it was right, and it was like your thing,

578
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: Like this was like fully your position that you created

579
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: out of nothing on set, and like it felt like

580
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: there was pride in that. And also it's like going

581
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: to do something else, you have found something you were

582
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: really good at and you were irreplaceable, and it was

583
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: sort of like, okay, then I have to just like

584
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: even though you're in the same production, you're working with

585
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: other people at your already know but a different capacity,

586
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: it still felt like that would be scary and terrifying

587
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: because it's like.

588
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's felt like something I think too, Like I

589
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: always had it in the back of my head, like

590
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: I know this isn't going to last. Like I know

591
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: this isn't going to last, like you know, Like again,

592
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: being an EPO baby, I was very exposed and from

593
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: a very early age of like the realist the realistic

594
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: nature of of TV and that yeah, there's you know,

595
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: scarce times and there are good times, there's everything in between,

596
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: and that like you know, like so to try to

597
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: enjoy it and know that it wasn't gonna last. But

598
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: then at the same time, there was this feeling of like, oh,

599
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: it's like so precious and if it ever changes, then

600
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: what's going to happen? Like it needs to be this way.

601
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: And then I think that that maybe was more in

602
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: the water at the beginning of season three, and then

603
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: towards the end of season three, I think it was like,

604
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: you're already something should change here in order to sustain this,

605
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: because this isn't sustainable.

606
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: It's not.

607
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: Because you started at the very beginning with us and

608
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: went on tours with us that nobody else in production

609
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: did like that until Meg's joined. But what was that

610
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: experience like seeing I don't know the public or like

611
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: the growth of the show because you were in that

612
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: bubble where we did the first twelve and nobody saw

613
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: it and then it went from now we're doing an

614
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: international tour. Like from your perspective, what was that experience?

615
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? That was it was wild. It was yeah. So

616
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: you know when I started, I you know again like

617
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: I've seen my dad, my members of my family like

618
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: make shows and then they are great and then they

619
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: disappear and then who knows. So it's like I knew

620
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: this was happening in a vacuum. I think it was

621
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 3: the day that we were shooting Stay a Little Prayer

622
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: that I saw that because I had never seen a rehearsal.

623
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen it whatever like I did. I'd maybe

624
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: read a script at this point, but I was sort

625
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: of like, okay, like what is this show? And then

626
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: like saw it and saw the like like the way

627
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 3: that it was like on the page, it was just

628
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: like they've performed a song. And then it was like,

629
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: oh no, like these these are like singers and dancers

630
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: who are like Corey Group dancing to a choreograph song

631
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: like and like the way that it worked in the

632
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: story too. I was like, oh, this is really going

633
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: to like hit in a way like I was like,

634
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: so I knew from them that it was going to

635
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: be like wild but interesting, and then to see the

636
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: rest of the stuff we did that season was just

637
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: like wow, and no one's even seen this yet, like

638
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: this is right. So I think that going from there.

639
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: I mean I remember being on the first tour. It

640
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: was the last leg of the first tours, was like

641
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: Radio City Music Hall and Ryan would call the show.

642
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: You know, we'd have like a little moment at the

643
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: beginning and everyone would make a speech, and I remember

644
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to say something here because

645
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: this was like the last you know, so this is

646
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: the last leg of this trip and where Radio City

647
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 3: Music Hall and I referenced and I said to all

648
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 3: of you, like I remember being like in that dark

649
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 3: auditorium watching You'll Do Somebody to Love, like over and

650
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: over and over and just like as an audience won

651
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 3: and just like loving it so much and feeling like

652
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: it was so special and so intense, and then like

653
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: and look where we are now. Now you're performing for

654
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: thousands of people at Radio City Music Hall. Like that

655
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: wasn't lost on me then, and then it just kept compounding,

656
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: like the next year. It's like going from I think

657
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 3: always going on tour was like a way to check

658
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: the temperature of what is happening out there, because yes,

659
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: we all had Twitter, and Twitter was new, and it

660
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: was like there was definitely a sense there of like

661
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: what the fandom was like, but it was like to

662
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: be to be like physically barricading your bodies, just like

663
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 3: going from a van to a hotel lobby and like

664
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: hearing the screams of that arena and like I remember

665
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: Indianapolis for some reason was like it was the best

666
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: wow smelloping and just to you know, so to see

667
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: that and to have, you know, to have literally witnessed

668
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: it going from this like little thing and like sneaking

669
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: into rehearsals in the tin shed and like right, oh,

670
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: and like getting to know everyone and like knowing what

671
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: people's backgrounds were and like, Okay, this person has a

672
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 3: lot of experience in dance, and Jenna has the experience

673
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: in theater, and like you, Kevin has experience in music,

674
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: and like and that, Like I always thought that was

675
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: really cool how everyone like brought a little bit of

676
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: something but that of their own, but like the like

677
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: speed with which it like became one cohesive thing, and

678
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 3: like it became like emblematic and iconic in this way

679
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: of like you know, you're characters were, and I think

680
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 3: like a lot of that had to do with the

681
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: show and the costumes and everything, but it's like there

682
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: was just this like thing where everyone became it became

683
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: this phenomenon and then it was that and it was

684
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: like unstoppable.

685
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: Hmmm. I remember on tour there was one city. I

686
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember what city it was where

687
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: we were able to go see the fans. Like most

688
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: of the tour, we weren't able to go and meet

689
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: the fans. It was just impossible. There were too many

690
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: people and it was dangerous. There was one city there

691
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: was chainling fences around the parking lot and somehow till

692
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: they got a golf cart, yes, and you round. I

693
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: think it was Chicago, and we were like waving at

694
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: the fans and we would drive up and we would

695
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: sign through the chainling fence. We would sign people's posters.

696
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: Maybe it was I don't know, the Chicago we were

697
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: able to like actually interact with the pot It was.

698
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 3: You know. I think I remember that because man was

699
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: tweeting me about they have like shirts.

700
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, gifts for us, right.

701
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: Yes, That's the other thing I'll say is about sort

702
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 3: of when I realized too that like maybe this has

703
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 3: gone beyond like what was expected. Was like also a

704
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: radio city music hall, and I like was like having

705
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: a bat. It was a stressful day and there was

706
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: like some shit going on. I was like I just

707
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: need a second. I went out of the stage door

708
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 3: and I like sat down on the curb and just

709
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: like looked at my phone for a minute or whatever

710
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: and just like took a breath and came back in

711
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: and like checked my tweets and it was like four

712
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 3: tweets being like oh we see you Toddle or like whoah,

713
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: like people are tweeting me and having recognized me. And

714
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: then it was like the next year it was like

715
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 3: people were screaming my name as I left the arena,

716
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: or like I would walk or and everyone would scream

717
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: and ask me for autographs or they'd be like I

718
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 3: have gifts for you, and it was sort of like, uh,

719
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 3: like what's going on here? Like it's very like if

720
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: you know you know, but also yeah, where it was

721
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: like how do you know who? I'm the guy who

722
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 3: like it's cool? No, no, no, you know, I think yeah

723
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 3: it was. It was It was definitely nothing i'll witness

724
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: like I you know, I'm lucky to have witnessed it.

725
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 3: I think it was a totally singular experience of life

726
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: to like have like been with the show as it

727
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: went from you know, it's infancy into this like into

728
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: today where it's still this thing. It's like on Wheeldy

729
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: growing like massive things that's just like he's creating and

730
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: keeps reinventing and living on. And you know, I don't

731
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: think there was a day that I tried to that

732
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: I took it for granted that I was pinching myself

733
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: throughout the whole time, because it was just, Yeah, it

734
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: was definitely in the back of my mind, I had

735
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: that like, this is never really going to happen again.

736
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: Do you have any numbers to stick out in your

737
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: head that you remember when you you were watching while

738
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: we were shooting that, or anything that was of note

739
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: or yours one on.

740
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: I definitely got a lot braver as far as where

741
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: I would be and what I would be doing during

742
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: the filming of the seas because like the first season thing,

743
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: I was literally outside the auditorium, like making sure nobody

744
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: walked in a lot of the numbers. But so and

745
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 3: you know, things like stealing away for a rehearsal when

746
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: you guys were in ursal and stealing away and then

747
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: like someone's missing, so like I'll stand in for someone

748
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: for a whole rehearsal. So it's like, right, a lot

749
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: of that happened for me in season three. And you

750
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: can learn choreo total, we can dance, yes, thank you.

751
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: It is one of my many talents. Give that. I

752
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 3: remember standing in for Corey for Empire State of Mind,

753
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: so I knew that whole dance, so it was like

754
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: I could do that dance. I always always, always loved

755
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: the Treble Tones trouble Tones, and they're any of their

756
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: numbers and have distinct memories of dancing in the wings

757
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: with both to those numbers when ye just and to

758
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: be like upper body of choreography too, yes, exactly, I'd

759
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: love the new directions, but yeah, geographically challenged people in

760
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: that group, which really maybe limited the scope of choreography.

761
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: But I'm calling for Trouble.

762
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 3: Tones was always fun because it was like, oh my god,

763
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: you're moving your You're moving your neck and your hips

764
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: all the same time. But you know, I think there

765
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: was always there was always something really special for me

766
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: about like being in the auditorium, especially if it was

767
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: like dark and I could just like sit there and

768
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: take it all in. Like I mean, any time the

769
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: amber had a solo, I was just like sitting there

770
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: completely wrapped yea.

771
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

772
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: But you know, I think and so I think I

773
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: just like lots of little and fun memories and always

774
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: what was always great and exciting about it as a

775
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: PA and as a script coordinator was like seeing it

776
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 3: on the page, how it was written and what it was,

777
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: and then in the first part of the show, being

778
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: like so surprised with like whoa, I had no idea,

779
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 3: like the set was going to look like this, so

780
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 3: that there was going to be pyrotechnics or like everyone

781
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: was going to be dressed in this costume or whatever.

782
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: You know, It's like it's kind of that stuff when

783
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 3: you're not in a production meeting. You know, no, that's

784
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: all happening. And so the excitement of like showing up

785
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: on set and being like what is it going to

786
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: look like? It was exciting or like hmm, or you know,

787
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 3: like I remember with like True Colors, it was just

788
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 3: like they sing True Colors. And then like showing up

789
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 3: and it was like Jenna as it was your solo

790
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: and like I had no idea, and it was like,

791
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 3: it's just so exciting to have that like and then

792
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, like listening to it for the first time, yeah,

793
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: for the hundredth time, just like you know, like finding

794
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 3: that excitement in it each time. So I have like

795
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: lots of great memories of watching the numbers and participating

796
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: in the numbers when I could and always yeah, yeah,

797
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 3: and just like being there. I was, but you know,

798
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: always loved the group numbers. The big splashy one Somebody

799
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 3: to Love was always, you know, I always have fund

800
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: memories of that one.

801
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's a special one for sure.

802
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: And then yeah, on the tour, I like worked my

803
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: way into the safety dand so that was always a

804
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 3: nice big number Riverdee Mountain High. It was like willing

805
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: to watch. Also there was the aspect of like watching

806
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 3: everyone else, like when it was solos or duets, It's

807
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 3: like watching everyone else's reaction was always really fun, especially

808
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 3: if it was like a special guest star or whatever like.

809
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: So it was like, right, numbers were always a big

810
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: fun thing to do. A lot of other there were.

811
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: They're huge undertakings a lot of the time, so they

812
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: were a daunting But it was also especially those rehearsals,

813
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: for its very very exciting.

814
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 2: Speaking of guest stars, yes, you got to interact with everyone,

815
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 2: like yeah, and form close personal relationships with some of them,

816
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 2: that's right.

817
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: I mean seasons four or five and six, I was

818
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 3: no longer on set, so I while I did meet

819
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 3: some of those guests I didn't really like interact with

820
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: some of the most The last special guests are on

821
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: set that I like was working with was Woo Pee Goldberg,

822
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 3: which was like so cool. I was like, I literally

823
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 3: still sometimes I'm like what she was Also like it

824
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 3: was crazy that how many people were all the time.

825
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, again, like I think I approached that in

826
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: a in that same way of like they're just like

827
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: they're they're here just like any other actor or any

828
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: other day players here. So like I went in with

829
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: just like that's you know, it's always helpful to like

830
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: have what you're gonna say rehearsed. And on that show,

831
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: it certainly was just like a very routine thing to

832
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: like welcome someone to set. But yeah, I think I

833
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 3: never was I never really was like intimidated by anyone.

834
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 3: So I think that helped in like helping to establish

835
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: that that dynamic. But also it was like so exciting.

836
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: I mean, your bond with Gwyneth was hilarious.

837
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: Gwyneth loved you.

838
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: Gwyneth and I hit it off really well, which was

839
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: amazing and hilarious, and yeah, and it was always it

840
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 3: was again, it would just come out from like hanging

841
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 3: out on set and just like we would all just

842
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: be like Gavin and with each other. And it was

843
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 3: like there were some some start some guest stars who

844
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 3: you knew were like there to do the job and

845
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 3: that's great, and they're like they've got other shit going

846
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: on and they're in and out and whatever. But it's

847
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 3: like some were like also just there to hang Yeah,

848
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: totally and wanted to and they're sitting there in the

849
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: chairs between takes, like getting the goss and wanting to

850
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: know who's who.

851
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: Yes, and yeah.

852
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: So she she was definitely there. She was into play.

853
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: She was there to play fun. And you know, also

854
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: it was really cool and kind of like humbling to

855
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: see a lot of these huge stars that you've like

856
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: admired for your life and then they come in and

857
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: to see them kind of like because you throw in

858
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 3: like music and dance and and then all of a

859
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: sudden they're you know, back at sort of square one,

860
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 3: and you can see how nervous they are or how

861
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: like this is so far out of what they normally do,

862
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: and it's like it's sort of this humbling thing where

863
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, yeah, like are people too all people

864
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: that are terrified and dancing, you know, you know, whatever

865
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: it is, it's like, it's like so just to like

866
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: be exposed to it on that level too, was always

867
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: really yeah, humbling and reassuring that just like nobody here

868
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: really knows. That was another thing too about Glee. It's

869
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: like you had to kind of maybe realize a little later,

870
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: Like and certainly as I'm listening to episodes of your

871
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: podcast and hearing from people like Ryan, it's like none

872
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: of us knew what we were doing. Everyone was flying

873
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: by the seat of their pants. Yea, you know, and

874
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: that includes like everyone starts, that includes the guest stars.

875
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: So your pa, Yeah, then you do script coordinator for

876
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: how long? So I started script coordinating. I think the

877
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 3: first episode I script coordinated was promised source So that

878
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 3: was end of three. So I did a few episodes

879
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 3: of season three, and then I did all of season four,

880
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: season five, and season six as script coordinator. And season six,

881
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: which was I think only thirteen episodes. I was actually

882
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: in the writer's room for those episodes and wrote one

883
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: of those episodes of the six I did have the

884
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 3: credit of writer amazing technically by the end, which is

885
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: very cool. Moving on up, Yeah, it was like it

886
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: was a It was very It was a nice place

887
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: to end up just in terms of like the scope

888
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: of my own like path on the show. It felt

889
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: very accomplished, but also like felt like, yeah, I sort

890
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: of like when I left Glee moved on to Scream

891
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: Queens and was there, it sort of felt like, oh, okay,

892
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: I'm now at like the bottom of the next like

893
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: there had been a graduation of sorts where yeah, I

894
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: like moved you know, being in being in the writer's

895
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: room with Glee was super fun super different than being

896
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 3: on set, very uh yeah, a very different environment. And

897
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: it's funny because, like I know, it felt like Ryan

898
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: like maybe checked out or wasn't involved as involved in

899
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: the later seasons, certainly on a production level, but to

900
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 3: the end he was like still coming into that writer's

901
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 3: room and pishing the stories and telling us what the

902
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 3: songs were going to be, like coming in and just

903
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: being like it's going to be this episode, and it's

904
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: going to be this, this, this and this and then

905
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 3: and it's like so it's like to the end, he

906
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 3: was still involved, and he read every script before it

907
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 3: went out, and he looked at every page, every scene.

908
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 3: I think there was maybe one episode that he did

909
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: not like personally read and sign off on before it

910
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: went to production. But you know, so he yeah, so

911
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: he was always still involved to whatever degree, but to

912
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 3: be in that writing room and see like how it

913
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 3: worked and how he clicked and how the shorthand, even

914
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: though it was the full staff at that time, like

915
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: the shorthand he had with Ian and with Brad and

916
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: with everyone really and sort of and like ultimately, you know,

917
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 3: because I had I don't have. I didn't have a

918
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 3: lot of writing experience. Didn't want to be you know,

919
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: like stepping on any toes. But what was cool about

920
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 3: Glee is the music and the fact that like that's

921
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: a super really easy thing to pitch when you're like

922
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: starting out in a room you're like where you're like

923
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 3: you might feel a little bit funny about pitching a

924
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 3: storyline or like especially when so much is handed down

925
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 3: from above, Like it was. Having that sort of like

926
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: that very basic element of the script was like a

927
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: really good, like easy sort of like playground to play in.

928
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah that went because you got I got the sense

929
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: of a pitch falling flat, I got the sense of

930
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 3: hitting I got you know, like I got songs on

931
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 3: the show that I pitched and that you know, never

932
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: would have been on there had I not, which is great,

933
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: but but it's but it's just songs. It's not like

934
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 3: it's not your own ideas and your own writing, which

935
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 3: you know as a writer that that definitely comes up

936
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 3: that sort of those feelings of rejection. But m yeah,

937
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: So it was definitely a different pace being in the

938
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 3: writer's office and a whole different beast than being on set.

939
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 3: But it was What was nice and similar is that

940
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 3: I feel like there was a chance to sort of

941
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 3: put my own stamp on things as far as like

942
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 3: how the job was done. It helped that I knew

943
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 3: everyone in the production so well, because right definitely you're

944
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 3: you know, you know the right people to tell the

945
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: right information too. But ultimately, I think it it was

946
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: like a way for me to pivot to working a

947
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 3: little bit more directly with the you know, creative producers

948
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 3: and get a little bit closer to the writing process

949
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: and eventually in in the writing process, and you know,

950
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 3: so that was sort of I don't know, looking back,

951
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: that's sort of just like a really dreamy track to

952
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 3: have taken.

953
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: Selfishally, I loved it because I would come hang out

954
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: with you. It's alternate between the loft and megs. And

955
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: then I would come to you and you like, have

956
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 2: this couch in your office.

957
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: I did.

958
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: It was the best. I would disappear. Oh god, it

959
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: was great. I loved those days because I would just

960
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: completely disappear.

961
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: That's the great thing about working on a Ryan Murphy shows.

962
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: Every office is just decorated so beautifully, so gorgeous. The taste.

963
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 3: Adore the taste. We've got, the taste we have.

964
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: Got the I have two questions for you.

965
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get hit me. I'm in the hot seat now.

966
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: WHOA.

967
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 2: That's the different master of games as well, that we

968
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: would play hot seat, we'd played Mafia, all kinds of

969
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: dream wedding.

970
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: Yes, if we're all just tactics to keep you all

971
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 3: in the same place, and the word they loved to

972
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 3: play them today exactly.

973
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: Is there anybody that sticks out to you in your

974
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: time on the show, in the crew or on set

975
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: every day that just sticks out to you because you

976
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: you were like the the meeting of the minds for everybody,

977
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: And I'm just curious you like really encountered everybody on

978
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: the day to day.

979
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: Well, yes, I did feel very strong connections with lots

980
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 3: of people, and even if they weren't strong connections, like yeah,

981
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 3: I was interacting with almost everybody, and to have so

982
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 3: much deep love for so many top of mind, it's

983
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 3: like got to be my girls. Aaron Kruger, mccash and

984
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: Kelly Mitchell makeup department heads. Yeah, because you know, work

985
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: euro based camp, working closely with the actors, ads and

986
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 3: hair and makeup are kind of always working together, and

987
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 3: you know, they really kind of took me under their

988
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: wing early on as like a young green pa and

989
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 3: really kind of like helped me understand what my role

990
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 3: was a little bit better, especially in terms of their

991
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: roles were. And they were also I mean just amazing

992
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: people to talk with, like incredible experience in the industry, right,

993
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: and so just yeah, lots of like I just have

994
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 3: memories of lots of late nights of you know, picking

995
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: their brains, having them tell me stories just like of

996
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 3: their youth, of their early experiences like cracking jokes, having

997
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 3: a good laugh, lots of dancing together, and then like

998
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: mornings in the trailer just like sack whatever, talking about

999
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 3: anything and everything and just sort of hanging out. And

1000
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 3: like also I was always just so in awe of

1001
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 3: the work, their work that they did. Yeah, incredible, she

1002
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: could be said of Zach Woodley. I mean Zach was

1003
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 3: more of like a rock star kind of like I'd

1004
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 3: like cool kid on campus vibe. Like never did I

1005
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 3: feel like he was ignoring me or anything. But he

1006
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: had that like a bit of an elusiveness. So it's

1007
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: like there would be times where Zach would pass by

1008
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 3: and he'd be like, you come with me, and we'd

1009
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: like go out and have a cigarette, and I was like,

1010
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: oh my god, Zach wants to hang out with me.

1011
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 3: This is the coolest thing ever. Yes, Yeah, so Zach

1012
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 3: definitely I had. I always cherished time spent with back

1013
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 3: on set again personally, but also just like always in

1014
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 3: awe of like how quickly he could work and how

1015
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 3: quickly he could adapt, and you know, the ways in

1016
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: which he interacted with with the cast or whoever it was.

1017
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 3: You know, that's all stuff that like I picked up on.

1018
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: And you know that's the cool thing too about being

1019
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 3: on set as a PA is like you're kind of

1020
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: in the middle of everything, but you really get a

1021
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: great idea of like what every department does, what it's

1022
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 3: possible for and how they do it to the point

1023
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 3: where you know you're you're able to witness like everyone's

1024
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 3: impeccable work from like one vantage point and that's really

1025
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 3: really cool. Yeah, I mean there was the list could

1026
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 3: go on and on, but you know, those are some

1027
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 3: top of mind people on it. But every day was

1028
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 3: like it was like summer camp or school in this

1029
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: amazing way where you could just like it's like, wow,

1030
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 3: we get to hang out again tomorrow all day and

1031
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 3: like I'm when I talk to this person or it's

1032
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 3: like you know, if it's like this from Electric or

1033
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 3: you know, Joey from the Camera department or whatever, it's

1034
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: just like I'm gonna sit and learn more about these

1035
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: people because I'm spending more time with them than I

1036
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 3: am with my own family. So true.

1037
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: Second question, what is the feeling that Glee leaves you with?

1038
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 3: Oh God, how was time to have for that one?

1039
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 3: There are many feelings that Glee leaves me with. I

1040
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 3: think most of all it's pride, Like I'm so proud

1041
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 3: of myself for the work I know I accomplished, but

1042
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 3: you know, more over everyone else, you guys, especially like

1043
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 3: those people I just mentioned in the crew, it's just

1044
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 3: like a sense of like you like a deep satisfaction

1045
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: and pride of like wow, like look what we did,

1046
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: like what look what we did every day? And yeah,

1047
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: so I think that that it's among many many other feelings.

1048
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: There's definitely just yeah, a strong sense of pride.

1049
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: It's a good one, Thank you, a good one.

1050
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: I just got TEARI eyed.

1051
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 3: I can talk about the anxiety, the anxiety if you

1052
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: want that.

1053
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: For another episode.

1054
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we watched the breakup the breakup episode, and there

1055
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 2: was a flashback of Corey and I sobbed Telly. Yeah,

1056
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: not to bring up sad things, but after Corey passed,

1057
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: you were in the writer's and I just remember you

1058
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: texting me because we were all obviously very off, you know,

1059
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: like shit was weird. Everything felt weird. It sort of

1060
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: felt like we were trudging through deep water. No one

1061
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: really wanted to be there, right, we know how to

1062
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: be And I remember you saying, it's just so weird

1063
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: to keep showing up to the same place where we

1064
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: spent the most time with him, and like we have to, right,

1065
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: you can't like you can't leave escape it, right, and

1066
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: we're like we're still within the same four walls every

1067
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: single day, And I remember in one brother was like,

1068
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: oh my god, he's right. That is so sad and upsetting.

1069
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: But the flip side of that was, Oh, thank god,

1070
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: I'm surrounded by these people who know this specific experience

1071
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: and there's.

1072
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: So many of us and you don't have to laying

1073
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 3: it to no.

1074
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: And it was my first time, you know, dealing with

1075
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: grief in any sort of way like that, and it

1076
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: was nice to be able to have people around me

1077
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: who could voice it in different ways, verbalize in different ways,

1078
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: to explain things that I didn't know how to identify

1079
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 2: within myself.

1080
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think like those are various experiences with

1081
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 3: grief in my I've always learned and noticed that it's

1082
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 3: like you do learn like everyone does it a different way,

1083
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 3: and there's something you can kind of learn or pick

1084
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Speaker 3: up on from everyone that year that's with you there

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00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 3: in that In that case, it was it was a

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00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: strange time season four though, is uh. I feel like

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00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 3: there was a little bit of like creative freedom in

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00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 3: those episodes that they put in three. So I wonder

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00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 3: if on a rewatch that I might not like season

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00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 3: four a little bit more than I remembered liking it,

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Speaker 3: just know, I'm really big swings. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: are your impressions.

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Speaker 1: So people are telling us it's not that good, but

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00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: so far we're what four episodes, and I guess at

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00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: this point, yeah, I'm really liking it.

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Speaker 2: There are big swings, but I think they're pretty successful

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Speaker 2: thus far. Yeah, yeah, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: This is like all of the new It's very like

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01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 3: Lost when Lost season four was new People last four wards?

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01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 3: Where are what we do? That's not like Lost at all?

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Speaker 1: Right, you're totally right.

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Speaker 2: So Kelly texted me, I don't know, probably a year

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01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 2: ago now, being like, I've been listening to the podcast

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01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: and you've been getting some things wrong. I did, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you have a running list or

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Speaker 2: if you remember any of this.

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Speaker 3: And then I did. I sort of did, but then

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01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 3: I didn't. I wasn't listening consistently enough and then and

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01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 3: it wasn't that things were wrong, it's just that Okay,

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Speaker 3: So you know, the three of us often are speaking

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01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 3: together on the phone, especially you know around Christmas. Yes,

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01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 3: we're having lots of convos, having lots of face time. Anyway,

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01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 3: So there there was something about there is something about

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Speaker 3: listening to your podcast that makes me just feel like

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Speaker 3: I'm on a conference call with you, so being like

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01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 3: where you guys will be like what was it? Like

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Speaker 3: was it this? Was it that? Like where were we?

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Speaker 3: And I'll know the answer as all.

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Speaker 1: Are you yelling at us out? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And then so there were just like some examples of that,

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01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 3: you guys being like, yeah, maybe it was this, and

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01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, it was the other one.

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Speaker 1: That's funny, that's really funny.

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Speaker 3: There's been any likeagious inaccuracies.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if things just little things.

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01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: Well, no, Telly's got a steel trap.

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01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 3: You know. Now you're in the now, you're in the later,

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Speaker 3: the latter half when I was in charge of the continuity.

1129
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 3: So maybe I'll have some more great some more. Maybe

1130
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 3: So I'll listen. I'll listen to a few and see

1131
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: if there's anything. But I was thinking, and I will

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01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 3: just add this. I don't know if this is even

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01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 3: something that you want to hear, but I was thinking

1134
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 3: about how I was so good at the continuity right

1135
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: because I was like I was on set for all

1136
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 3: these scenes. I know exactly what who was talking to

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01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 3: whom and about what, Like no, this reference is wrong.

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01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 3: It wasn't that. But there's this like one thing that

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01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 3: still haunts me to this day that I missed. Oh yes,

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01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 3: tell us please please, probably coming up in the Thanksgiving

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01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 3: episode season four, is there's that scene at the prom

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01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 3: Maybe it's at the prompt anyway, it's the end of

1143
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 3: season three with Rachel and Quinn in the bathroom, and like,

1144
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 3: someone gives someone a train ticket, doesn't Rachel give Quinn

1145
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 3: a train ticket to visit her at visitor whatever? Yes,

1146
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 3: So many episodes later.

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01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: Q gives Rachel, Quinn gives Rachel the ticket.

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01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:57,479
Speaker 3: Okay, so later in the Thanksgiving episode it's referenced and

1149
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 3: where Quin's like, she never even used that train ticket.

1150
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 3: I got her, but really it was Rachel who got

1151
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 3: it for Quinn and not Quinn who got it for Rachel.

1152
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 3: And I made that mistake and I went all the

1153
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 3: way to the show and I don't even know if

1154
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 3: anyone ever caught it, but I was like, this is

1155
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 3: my this is.

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01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 2: My glaring, this is you publicly outing yourself.

1157
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 3: I'm responsible for that.

1158
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: Look, there are worse things. Yeah, telling the worst thing.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't worry too much about it. I

1160
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: hope you don't just sleep over it.

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01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: I hope you seen really well tonight.

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01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 3: Chest There's no way.

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01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's it.

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01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm glad we could provide you a platform for that.

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01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. My salvation is here and it's always been us long.

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01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: Well, You're welcome.

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Speaker 3: So much. Anytime. I'd love to talk.

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01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 2: And I think it'd be really fun to do an

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01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 2: episode recap with you.

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Speaker 3: Fabulous you know which one. I'd love to do that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, look at look at for and see if

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Speaker 1: there's anything that sticks.

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01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 3: Out for sure. Thank you so much for doing this.

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01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 3: Bye bye bye, Oh Kelly.

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01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: Oh sweet tea. Man. I honestly it's like without Telly

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Speaker 1: there is no gly No.

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Speaker 2: I don't I honestly don't know how anything would have

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Speaker 2: gotten done, and it scares me to think about. Obviously,

1179
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 2: the rules were sort of the structures were a little

1180
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: bent when we were making the show because Kelly did

1181
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 2: feel so many different obligations that are not part of

1182
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: a normal job description. And if you had someone come

1183
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 2: in who was very by the book about it, I

1184
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: just don't know what. I don't know what that experience

1185
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: would have been like, because it's it's hard to separate

1186
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 2: the joy that you see on screen from the joy

1187
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 2: we felt behind the scenes on set, right, and I

1188
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: think a lot of that was created. A big part

1189
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: of that was Telly, but it was also every crew

1190
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 2: member where we were all.

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01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: Just well, Which is why I think when people say

1192
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: a lot of guests on the show come on and

1193
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: they say it, you'll it'll never happen again. Like I

1194
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: it was a really special crew, a really special set.

1195
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: I think that's why was because it felt like a

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01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: family and everybody did integrate in a way that doesn't

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01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: always happen on set. And it's also there's not always

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01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: time for it. But we were spending time more time

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Speaker 1: with our crew and our cast than our own families. Yeah,

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01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: and so when it's a lot of like to you know,

1201
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: two hand or scenes onlike you know what I mean, Like,

1202
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: it's it's a different dynamic.

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01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: So but you're right to your point. I don't I

1205
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: don't want to imagine a Glee without Telly and without

1206
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: our family, you know.

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01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 2: I think it also speaks to like the type of

1209
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: show we were making. I think it had never really

1210
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 2: done been done before in this way. I think people

1211
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 2: felt really proud of it, right, and it was something

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01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: their whole family could watch. It was something that they

1213
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 2: could be proud of us punning awards.

1214
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 3: It was very.

1215
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: Successful, right, and there was no when you are singing

1216
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 2: songs every day and getting to watch those performances, I

1217
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 2: think it does something for your like psyche of Yeah,

1218
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: we may have to be here fifteen sixteen hours a day, but.

1219
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: Look what we're doing.

1220
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we could do something really fun.

1221
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 2: And then also on top of that, once it came

1222
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: out and you could see how positively it was impacting

1223
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: people right and representing people, that's just the whole other thing.

1224
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 2: And so I think it was just I think Telly

1225
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 2: was right to say pride, you know, is a great

1226
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 2: word for it, because all the departments felt it.

1227
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: Yes, Ian used the same one. Well, thanks Kelly for

1228
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: coming on. I hope you guys enjoyed that episode with

1229
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: our team. Man, thanks for.

1230
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 2: Joining us, and that's what you really meant.

1231
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 3: I came more.

1232
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 2: And finally I gotta tell you thanks for listening and

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01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 2: follow us on Instagram at and that's what you really

1234
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 2: miss pod and make sure to write us a review

1235
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 2: and leave us five stars.

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Speaker 3: See you next time,