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Speaker 2: Let's just jump right in into our new segment, climax
Speaker 2: and cry. How did you climax this week? How did
Speaker 2: you cry?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Oh my god? How did I climax
Speaker 1: this week? Well? We picture locked at school.
Speaker 2: What does picture lock mean?
Speaker 1: Yes, so picture lock means it's the point in your
Speaker 1: post production process after you make a movie where the
Speaker 1: editors lock in the picture, so everything you see on screen,
Speaker 1: frame by frame, the actual moving image is done with
Speaker 1: the editing process. Now we're not making any changes to
Speaker 1: the picture, but we are in this process of post
Speaker 1: production now where we're color grading, sound design is happening,
Speaker 1: sound mixing, our composer is creating our score. So as
Speaker 1: a producer on this documentary, it is just a huge
Speaker 1: relief to be in this phase of post production, like
Speaker 1: the movie has been made and now it's just all
Speaker 1: the bells and whistles. So that was my climax.
Speaker 2: I have to admit that's a good one. And how
Speaker 2: about you, how is your cry? Did you cry?
Speaker 1: Oh? My god, I think I cry this week and
Speaker 1: I've been sharing this with you. This is an ongoing thing.
Speaker 1: Is my dog Boppas is just giving me so much grief?
Speaker 1: I just cannot. I'm just having such a hard time,
Speaker 1: like spending enough time with him, and he's acting out
Speaker 1: in different ways, and so I'm just trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how to accommodate the school schedule, the shooting schedule,
Speaker 1: work schedule, and still making sure that like he gets
Speaker 1: all the attention that he needs.
Speaker 2: What did I tell you would be a solution? Tell
Speaker 2: them what I told you, to get a second dog.
Speaker 2: I know that that might ruin you.
Speaker 1: It'll destroy my life, but it would really help him,
Speaker 1: I know I think he need and you know what,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. And not too long ago, I
Speaker 1: saw an adorable stray dog, yes outside of my apartment,
Speaker 1: and I was walking Bopas at the time, and I
Speaker 1: literally stopped dead in my tracks because I saw this precious,
Speaker 1: precious puppy running around out and about. Sometimes people walk
Speaker 1: their dogs without a leash downtown, so I didn't like,
Speaker 1: go and snatch him right away, because I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: well maybe he's with some but he's just not leashed.
Speaker 1: And I really, like, I really stood there and watched
Speaker 1: this dog from across the street, and I thought about it,
Speaker 1: like should I snatch up this puppy and bring him
Speaker 1: home and give my dog a companion? But I just
Speaker 1: I'll have a nervous breakdown. It's a lot, it's a lot.
Speaker 2: Having a dog is a big responsibility.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally get it. Yeah, yeah, but that's my climax,
Speaker 1: And cry, my poor papas he's he's acting out and
Speaker 1: it's all attention seeking behavior.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's being temperamental.
Speaker 1: He's being very temperamental. He's tearing things up, he's creating messes.
Speaker 1: But he's a dog. It's not his fault, right, Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: so that's my climax, and cry, don't call peta. He's fine,
Speaker 1: he's very happy and we'll take in cares. Yes, he's
Speaker 1: just he's needy. Yeah, how about you theosa with your climax?
Speaker 1: What's your cry for this week?
Speaker 2: So one of the ways that I climax this week,
Speaker 2: which super Nerdy I went to a podcasting event. Both
Speaker 2: went and it was hosted by the Signal Awards and
Speaker 2: it was about video forward podcast and the future of podcasting.
Speaker 2: And it was out here in Hollywood. It was at
Speaker 2: gold Diggers and it was a really cute venue planting seeds. Yes,
Speaker 2: we'd love to use.
Speaker 1: That venue, so whoever's listening, yes.
Speaker 2: And it was so cool because like all of our
Speaker 2: creative peers were there and there was a really good
Speaker 2: conversation about podcasting. Video is video the future of podcasting?
Speaker 2: How do we embrace it? How do we know if
Speaker 2: it's the right move for our podcast? And I thought
Speaker 2: that was really interesting. And it's a conversation that you
Speaker 2: and I have ongoing. And I just love to nerd
Speaker 2: out over those kinds of panels. I love to be
Speaker 2: in the room with other audio people and just you know,
Speaker 2: chatting it up. And so I hadn't been out like
Speaker 2: that in a while, like in the middle of the
Speaker 2: week for a work thing, and so that was really nice.
Speaker 1: It was fun. It was very fun. It was it
Speaker 1: was very nerdy. There was like a YouTube up there.
Speaker 1: There was somebody from Headspaced Space dayson Afualo, who is
Speaker 1: Drew Afualo's sister was there on the panel because they
Speaker 1: co host a podcast called Two Idiot Girls. So Dayson
Speaker 1: brought in the like, you know, content creator side of things,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I was the who's who of podcasting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: It was very cool. I love going. I love when
Speaker 2: we're invited, and I love when we're able to go.
Speaker 2: So that was really fun. And then my cry of
Speaker 2: the week. I mean, I've talked about this before. I
Speaker 2: am ruled by the sun and it's been gloomy in
Speaker 2: La and it just bums me out. We had a
Speaker 2: really beautiful, sunny couple of weeks and then gloom this
Speaker 2: past week, and I just I just want to sleep.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go outside. I don't want to work.
Speaker 2: It's just cozy weather for me. Yes, I hate I
Speaker 2: hate it.
Speaker 1: It's uh. La is very tricky in that way where
Speaker 1: we think like, oh my god, we're done with the rain,
Speaker 1: we're done with the gloom. It's sunny now, we're in spring,
Speaker 1: we're in summer, and then it reverts right back.
Speaker 2: Yes, April is always a gloomy month. I feel it's
Speaker 2: like that saying April showers bring me flowers. We haven't
Speaker 2: really had a rainy April yet, but it is something
Speaker 2: that I know. You know, we get the gloom in April,
Speaker 2: so I'm trying not to let it affect me too much,
Speaker 2: but I you know it does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's very reasonable. I feel like you and
Speaker 1: I say this every year, like we activate in the summer. Yes,
Speaker 1: we come alive.
Speaker 2: I've been defrosting, is how I've been describing it. I
Speaker 2: normally talk about blooming, but this year I'm defrosting. I
Speaker 2: love it eternally, spiritually, emotionally, I'm defrosting.
Speaker 1: It's been a cold winter, yes, in many different ways.
Speaker 2: In every sense, in every sense, everywhere, it's been a.
Speaker 1: Cold, cold, frigid winter. What is that movie? Frigid reminds
Speaker 1: me of a quote from a specific movie where she's
Speaker 1: like that, da da da da, you wouldn't be such,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't look like such a frigid bitch or something.
Speaker 1: Does this ring a bell?
Speaker 2: No? I have to think about it more.
Speaker 1: Me think about it well.
Speaker 2: From Legally Blonde. The quote is from Legally Blonde, and
Speaker 2: how does it go?
Speaker 1: It goes, I love your outfit when I but when
Speaker 1: I dress up like a frigid bitch, I try not
Speaker 1: to look so constipated. That's so good and that's l
Speaker 1: to Vivian Kensington.
Speaker 2: Yes, so good.
Speaker 1: Anyways, love the word frigid. Thank you for bringing it
Speaker 1: in today today's conversation.
Speaker 2: Actually you brought it in oh yourself quoting yourself and
Speaker 2: a movie.
Speaker 1: Oh Lord, what's happening? Well, thank you for sharing your
Speaker 1: climax and cry.
Speaker 2: So now let's move into olas. And this question was
Speaker 2: submitted by one of our listeners on Instagram, and it goes,
Speaker 2: how do you navigate a day that changes your entire mood?
Speaker 1: You are now listening to Oh Yes.
Speaker 2: I'm a moody girl. I don't know if the listeners
Speaker 2: know that about me, but I'm moody.
Speaker 1: Do you think they've picked that up over ten seasons?
Speaker 2: I hope, so.
Speaker 1: Maybe you drop little hints here and there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of moody. I know that about myself.
Speaker 2: But if for me, I talked about this recently at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the season, my moodiness is now I
Speaker 2: understand it as anxiety, so I'm able to regulate and
Speaker 2: check it and I'm like, girl, it's okay, you know.
Speaker 2: But this is also why I exercise a lot, because
Speaker 2: I need the endorphins, the outlet yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm really happy that you took up tennis because
Speaker 1: you can hit things. Yes, that's good for you, it's
Speaker 1: good for me.
Speaker 2: How do you navigate a day that changes your entire mood?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean I think for me. I
Speaker 1: love a good nap. Yes, Sometimes you just I just
Speaker 1: need to go to sleep, Yes, and just be in darkness.
Speaker 2: And it feels better. Afterwards You're like, oh, it wasn't
Speaker 2: that bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little nap, a little rest can really change
Speaker 1: your perspective. This sounds super simple, but like a super
Speaker 1: cold like sparkling water, yes, will lift my spirits? Yes, instantly,
Speaker 1: instantly yes. And what else well, of course, like a
Speaker 1: good joint. That'll do it. Those three in combination, actually joint,
Speaker 1: sparkling water, nap, delicious, cured, cured so much better.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm a treat girl. I want a little treat, and
Speaker 2: so if I'm having a bad day, you know, it's like,
Speaker 2: let me go drive and get my little ice coffee,
Speaker 2: my ice beverage and a little croissant.
Speaker 1: You do love a little tree?
Speaker 2: You do?
Speaker 1: You do love a little reward? I do?
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm motivated if I say this all the time.
Speaker 2: If I don't have a treat a week.
Speaker 1: I will die.
Speaker 2: Immediately, immediately, I won't have that whither away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't have that. We need you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that and I think, yeah, just sometimes you
Speaker 2: just have to let yourself have a bad day and
Speaker 2: then know like tomorrow is a new day. Literally, it's true,
Speaker 2: and let yourself feel the feels, feel the anger, feel
Speaker 2: the mooniness. Just don't take it out on other people
Speaker 2: or yourself or yourself. Yes, don't self sabotage, No, because
Speaker 2: that can happen.
Speaker 1: Sometimes. I've had those moments where it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: everything is trash, everything is terrible. I'm trash, I'm terrible,
Speaker 1: everything sucks. Throw it all away, set it all on fire.
Speaker 1: But you can't because then everything will be trash. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a it's just a momentary lapse
Speaker 1: m hm. And you do your little things to make
Speaker 1: you feel better. You put your little band aids on,
Speaker 1: and then you'll be okay.
Speaker 2: Your emotional band aids, your emotional band aids. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like the feminine urge to like run away and like
Speaker 2: run to another country. Yes, frolic in a field to
Speaker 2: gone girl, it forget everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, start a new identity.
Speaker 2: Well, frolic or gone girl. It that's like the only
Speaker 2: in between. There's like no one between. It's like one
Speaker 2: or the other.
Speaker 1: We have two options.
Speaker 2: Frolic gone girl, damn yeah.
Speaker 1: Or you listen to like some type of escapist podcast,
Speaker 1: or you watch a movie or a TV show. You
Speaker 1: do something that takes you out of your reality for
Speaker 1: a little bit and gives you that temporary relief yes,
Speaker 1: and sense of I'm somewhere.
Speaker 2: Else there we go. Yeah, Well, thank you to our
Speaker 2: listener for submitting this question. We hope this gives you
Speaker 2: a little inspo for how to navigate a moody day.
Speaker 2: It's okay to be moody.
Speaker 1: It's okay. That's why we have mood comes and goes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if we didn't have moods like, we wouldn't need to
Speaker 1: use them. Yes, but we have them to use them. Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: great question.
Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere, lokomotives. We'll be right.
Speaker 1: Back and we're back with more of our episode.
Speaker 2: So today we have a light episode. We've been covering
Speaker 2: some politics. We had a great interview last episode, and
Speaker 2: so we just want to kind of connect with y'all
Speaker 2: and talk about the thing that consumes I feel women
Speaker 2: right now, especially if you're in your thirties at least,
Speaker 2: Like the online chatter is what it means to be
Speaker 2: in your thirties.
Speaker 1: Expectation versus reality.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, So we we're just gonna sit in
Speaker 2: this for a little bit and talk about it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna sit in the dirt, yes, in the mud.
Speaker 1: It's not that bad, it's great. I think that like
Speaker 1: when we think about our thirties, we I think talk
Speaker 1: about sex and the city quite a bit because I
Speaker 1: think for a lot of people, it's that quintessential womanhood. Yes,
Speaker 1: single womanhood, dating, womanhood in a big city, making decisions
Speaker 1: for yourself, good or bad, making a mess, having fun,
Speaker 1: falling in love, falling.
Speaker 2: Out of love, going out all the time.
Speaker 1: Constantly different outfits every episode, yes, no repeat outfits.
Speaker 2: Yes, brunching all the time.
Speaker 1: Constantly brunching. And so I think there's a maybe that
Speaker 1: creates an expectation. But what's the reality right Well, first.
Speaker 2: Of all, a lot of people are talking about Kerry
Speaker 2: Bradshaw as a character I feel on TikTok especially, I
Speaker 2: love Carrie. I think she's a messy character. She's written
Speaker 2: to be messy, she's written to be real, and people
Speaker 2: say they want a messy woman, but they don't actually
Speaker 2: like when they.
Speaker 1: Get one, when they actually see it, yes.
Speaker 2: They're like, girl, act better. No, she's dumb, Like that's
Speaker 2: part of it. There's growth, there's developments, like she's gonna
Speaker 2: make bad choices.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the point.
Speaker 2: That's the point. She's going to chase after the man
Speaker 2: who doesn't really want her.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the point. That's the point.
Speaker 2: And in addition to that, I've seen folks say, or
Speaker 2: women on TikTok specifically, say, like Carrie Bradshaw and the
Speaker 2: cast are only thirty two in season one, amazing, like
Speaker 2: your season one is barely starting right, like it's okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you don't have it all figured out, it's fine,
Speaker 2: and kind of that perspective of like you're just in
Speaker 2: your season one.
Speaker 1: It's true. And so in that sense, I think there
Speaker 1: are aspects of a show like Sex and the City
Speaker 1: that they are capturing, like a messiness, an internal ca
Speaker 1: like this, troubles with love and with with relationships and
Speaker 1: conflicts with friends, like that's all in there. What they
Speaker 1: don't capture, of course, because it wouldn't be glamorous or entertaining.
Speaker 1: Is the minutia, right of the thirties.
Speaker 2: They also, I mean, and this has been talked about
Speaker 2: in depth everywhere else, but Sex and the City captures
Speaker 2: a very specific type of New York. Right. It's an
Speaker 2: all white cast, they're all at least in the original series,
Speaker 2: they're all heterosexual. Right. It's a very specific type of
Speaker 2: womanhood that's being represented, so of course want to remember that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it doesn't cover the ins and outs of
Speaker 2: what it means to be growing and being your thirties
Speaker 2: and there. But there are a couple other shows at
Speaker 2: least that we're going to be talking about today, or
Speaker 2: at least some type of representation of thirties.
Speaker 1: Of women in their thirties, And there's just I don't know,
Speaker 1: they seem there seems to be a focus on setting
Speaker 1: these types of stories in New York. I think because
Speaker 1: of the whole concrete jungle idea and making your way
Speaker 1: through this crazy, glamorous, difficult to live in place, and
Speaker 1: it just is this backdrop for I think a lot
Speaker 1: of like coming of age and coming into one's own
Speaker 1: type stories.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I feel like stuff in La tends to be more
Speaker 1: about well, if it's Latino, it's about gentrification and immigration
Speaker 1: and you're Alwilita. But for everybody else, it's like chasing
Speaker 1: your dreams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know, I think what show does
Speaker 2: cover that kind of My new show that you talked
Speaker 2: about is Insecure, right, that's obviously based in La Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think that was a really great representation of
Speaker 2: like being broke, trying to figure it out, dating gone wrong, friends, friends,
Speaker 2: like having messy friend groups sometimes, and like fights. I
Speaker 2: think that was I think the most realistic representation in
Speaker 2: like a diverse way, if you will.
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree, And I you know, the origins
Speaker 1: of the show being like Diaries of Awkward Black Girl
Speaker 1: and that kind of being the core of Lisa's character,
Speaker 1: like she's awkward, yeah, and so awkward things are constantly happening,
Speaker 1: which is very real. Life is filled with awkward moments,
Speaker 1: absolutely awkward interactions, awkward conversations, awkward exchanges. And that does
Speaker 1: not go away in your thirties. No, it doesn't. Maybe
Speaker 1: I think I'm less embarrassed or like I care less,
Speaker 1: but I'm like this, I'm having an awkward moment. I'm
Speaker 1: being awkward right now. This is awkward.
Speaker 2: I was just talking about that with my best friend Jackie.
Speaker 2: Was that when as a kid, I used to be
Speaker 2: ruled by embarrassment, like I wouldn't do and it really
Speaker 2: limited me now looking back, like I wouldn't do things
Speaker 2: if I was going to be embarrassed if there was
Speaker 2: now like a we use the word cringe, right, if
Speaker 2: there was like a cringe element of something, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: do it. I was very very sensitive to like being perceived,
Speaker 2: what would others think about me? And that can really
Speaker 2: limit you and what you do and how you move
Speaker 2: and with your growth as a kid, right as an adult,
Speaker 2: I've let a lot of that go. So yeah, there's
Speaker 2: still times where like, oh my god, did I say that? Okay,
Speaker 2: are they judging me? Is this embarrassing? You know, don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong, Like I still have those moments, but
Speaker 2: they don't rule my life the way they did when
Speaker 2: I was a kid.
Speaker 1: That's growth, Yeah, that's growth. Yeah, it's a working past
Speaker 1: that can be hard. I think working being an artist
Speaker 1: and working in the arts, of course we're sensitive about
Speaker 1: our shit. But over the years, I think, I know
Speaker 1: I've had to learn like I cannot let the audience
Speaker 1: scare me, and doing stand up has you cannot be
Speaker 1: afraid of the audience or they will eat you alive.
Speaker 2: I could never do stand up.
Speaker 1: It's fun, but it is hard because you have to
Speaker 1: just be prepared that everyone in the room might hate you.
Speaker 2: See, this is why I can't do stand up. I
Speaker 2: have rejection sensitivity. I will die I combusted on stage
Speaker 2: on the stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's I mean, and over the years there
Speaker 1: have been those examples of comedians whosh out on stage
Speaker 1: when the audience is just not with them and not
Speaker 1: vibing with them, and that's a career ruiner. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: really have to be okay with the complete silence or
Speaker 1: the outright hatred of you. And I think even with
Speaker 1: the podcast, like over the years, you know, we've gotten
Speaker 1: comments here and there and reviews and criticism, and if
Speaker 1: we let that stop us, we wouldn't be where we are,
Speaker 1: you know. So Yeah, I think I don't remember how
Speaker 1: we got into this conversation.
Speaker 2: Me either, But I want to say, like, even in
Speaker 2: just mean, with ten seasons, right, if you go back,
Speaker 2: sometimes we go back to season one, season two and
Speaker 2: we're like, oh, yes, I cringe a little bit a
Speaker 2: little bit love what we were doing, but sometimes the
Speaker 2: delivery I'm like, ooh, I would say that differently now,
Speaker 2: but of course, I mean it captured that moment in
Speaker 2: time in our twenties, what we were learning, what we
Speaker 2: were on at that moment, like what was really important
Speaker 2: to us at the moment, and a lot of that
Speaker 2: still is true now, but the delivery is just a
Speaker 2: little different. The frontal lobe has developed.
Speaker 1: Truly, and we have to give ourselves credit because where
Speaker 1: we maybe like could have been more eloquent or well
Speaker 1: spoken or well researched or whatever. In the early years,
Speaker 1: like there were a lot of people like putting out
Speaker 1: straight up hate speech, you know, on their social platforms
Speaker 1: and using slurs, and you know, not that that's like
Speaker 1: the bar, but in some ways that's a sort of bar.
Speaker 2: We can be very critical of what we create, and
Speaker 2: it just people in general can be very critical of themselves.
Speaker 2: You know, this goes back to my trying to grow
Speaker 2: through that embarrassment, you know.
Speaker 1: And as a community, like we have a predominantly LATINX
Speaker 1: creative community that we're a part of and a predominantly
Speaker 1: LATINX listenership, and we can be very like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very very.
Speaker 1: Very So it's not just like this self imposed you know,
Speaker 1: we know, we know, we know what the criticism could be,
Speaker 1: so we do it to ourselves first to protect ourselves.
Speaker 2: Our mothers taught us.
Speaker 1: Our mothers taught us criticize yourself first before the next
Speaker 1: person can do it.
Speaker 2: It's rough, it's rough, don't condone it. But that's definitely
Speaker 2: like the backdrop of how we grew up. Our moms
Speaker 2: love them for sure, very much, so of ourselves, of
Speaker 2: us themselves and others.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's almost a way to like self edit, like
Speaker 1: we edit ourselves, you know, so that like the draft
Speaker 1: that we put out, yes, you know, is like okay,
Speaker 1: this is a little more polish. Yeah, this is how
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think about it. I like that.
Speaker 2: I see that. So what were some expectations that maybe
Speaker 2: you had, either as a teenager or even in your
Speaker 2: twenties of what thirty would look like?
Speaker 1: So definitely more money, And I do think that we
Speaker 1: do have more money in our thirties than we had
Speaker 1: in our twenties, especially working with through the podcast, working
Speaker 1: our way into this network life that we're living and
Speaker 1: being under contract with iHeart. I think there is more
Speaker 1: money there, but then that also means there's more expenses,
Speaker 1: more work, and more work. I think that maybe going
Speaker 1: back to like our favorite movies The Thirteen Going On,
Speaker 1: thirty and Right and and Sex and the City. And
Speaker 1: I know that there are others out there, but I
Speaker 1: feel like in all these films, like everyone's always wearing
Speaker 1: open toad shoes. Yes, no one's ever wearing a clothes
Speaker 1: toed shoe. No one's ever wearing a sneaker.
Speaker 2: You've been wearing a lot of open toad shoes lately.
Speaker 2: Is that happening? Is that you're channeling this like rom
Speaker 2: com main.
Speaker 1: Girl maybe, but you know it's spring and I love
Speaker 1: a sandal. I am an Elle girl. I love a sandal.
Speaker 1: But also because of school, because of being in production,
Speaker 1: like you have to wear shoes, you know, on set,
Speaker 1: and if you if you're on campus, you'll notice like
Speaker 1: nobody is wearing sandals at the School of Cinematic specifically. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like everyone's prepared to like like run electricity and set
Speaker 1: up lighting and handle equipment at all times.
Speaker 2: I would wear my little heels to campus all the time,
Speaker 2: strutting through Annenberg. Yeah, I wasn't operating a heavy machinery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's just kind of the style is
Speaker 1: like you're in sneakers, you're in boots, and uh, you're
Speaker 1: like ready to do manual labor. Is kind of the
Speaker 1: vibe that's like the filmmaker uniform.
Speaker 2: So do you think that's that kind of effected your
Speaker 2: personal style in a way where when you're off campus,
Speaker 2: not working doing this instead of this type of work,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I'm going to dress up. I'm going
Speaker 2: to wear that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, And especially because I've been in the
Speaker 1: role of producer this semester, I feel like producers have
Speaker 1: a little bit more like we're on the phone, we're
Speaker 1: answering emails, we're running around, you know, Like I can
Speaker 1: be the producer and I can like wear a skirt
Speaker 1: and like a kitten heel, and that's more acceptable. If
Speaker 1: I'm operating the camera, I can't. That's great, right, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I'm like, Okay, I'm tired and
Speaker 1: I want to wear I just want to throw on
Speaker 1: my chunk glass.
Speaker 2: You know that makes sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you expectation versus reality?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean thirteen going on thirty was definitely formative
Speaker 2: for a lot of millennials and even I saw this
Speaker 2: fabulous meme the other day about how there was like
Speaker 2: this representation of journalists in rom coms and how that
Speaker 2: was the expectation that you had for your life if
Speaker 2: you wanted to be a journalist.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: So it's like Andy Anderson from How to Lose a
Speaker 2: Guy in Ten Days of course, right, she was writing
Speaker 2: like at a fashion style magazine and she just wanted
Speaker 2: to write about politics. She wanted to be a serious journalist, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but she's in her cute little outfits. And same with
Speaker 2: Jenna Rink from thirteen going on thirty right, also a journalist,
Speaker 2: also a journalist, you know. So I'm like, wow, the journalists,
Speaker 2: like that was a job that was like the glamorous
Speaker 2: fun job because at one point you could make a living,
Speaker 2: a good living off of being a journalist. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I think that that moment from the early two thousands,
Speaker 2: mid two thousands brom coms captured that that job and like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna like grow up and be a journalist and
Speaker 2: it's going to be.
Speaker 1: Fabulous, and I'm going to move to New York City.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to move to New York and wear
Speaker 2: my fabulous, little open to heels on the subway every way,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to write about politics and I'm going
Speaker 2: to do a magazine rebrand and it's going to be great, fabulous,
Speaker 2: you know. So definitely expectation, not so much the reality.
Speaker 2: It didn't move to New York.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I stayed in LA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's that which is which is, and you know,
Speaker 1: La is a dream location for so many it is.
Speaker 2: I have no regrets. I have no regrets. I think it.
Speaker 2: I think that there's that fantasy, right, that expectation of
Speaker 2: like I'm going to be the person that moves to
Speaker 2: New York right at some point in my life. And
Speaker 2: I've let that part go. I'm like, that's that was
Speaker 2: not my path, and I'm confident and secure in that
Speaker 2: path that I took. But I mean, that would be
Speaker 2: the expectation that I think I had as a kid.
Speaker 2: I like, even as a kid, I remember we were
Speaker 2: in middle school assigned like you had to write to
Speaker 2: a college and ask for like them to send you
Speaker 2: a brochure because they were teaching us like how to
Speaker 2: write a formal letter, okay, and so they had us
Speaker 2: practice and send to a university. Girl I wrote to
Speaker 2: fit really, Yes, the Fashion Institute, because I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be I'm going to work in fashion
Speaker 2: and I'm going to move to New York. Of course,
Speaker 2: little like middle schooler, right, And they wrote me back
Speaker 2: and they sent me a brochure, and I remember being
Speaker 2: like so excited about it. Right, Obviously my life went
Speaker 2: on it. I went and took a different path. Love
Speaker 2: the path I'm on, But I mean that's that would
Speaker 2: be like that expectation I had maybe as a kid,
Speaker 2: and then even in high school and then in my twenties, right,
Speaker 2: still kind of figuring out like what does this career
Speaker 2: look like? And you know the reality is entrepreneurs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: wild did not envision that for my.
Speaker 1: Life business owners.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's and I don't mean that in a
Speaker 2: negative way. It's just not the path that I saw
Speaker 2: myself on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the path. We're on it, we're learning. But
Speaker 2: that would be like that for me that if I'm
Speaker 2: holding them together. Expectation reality, Oh my god, I'm an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: Right, what right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And we definitely, I mean, I know I identify as
Speaker 1: an artist first, and I think you identify as an
Speaker 1: artist first, and it's coming to terms with the reality
Speaker 1: that maybe in film and television one can just be
Speaker 1: a painter.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, Yes, you can just be a journalist living
Speaker 2: in New York.
Speaker 1: Could just be your craft. But you have to fund
Speaker 1: your craft, and you have to monetize your craft. Yes,
Speaker 1: And so to be an artist is to be a
Speaker 1: business owner.
Speaker 2: Yes. How was Carrie Bradshaw sustaining her fabulous life for
Speaker 2: Fabulous Shoes with a weekly column.
Speaker 1: Once a week? Yes, one, there was that one episode
Speaker 1: where she was like broke. Yeah, and she went and.
Speaker 2: Asked, well, she has all her friends basically.
Speaker 1: Money but yes, and they were like no.
Speaker 2: No, well they all wanted to give her money except
Speaker 2: for the one that had the money, Charlotte. Yes, and
Speaker 2: that was like a thing.
Speaker 1: And she and Carrie was upset about that. Yes, basically
Speaker 1: like how could you not give me money?
Speaker 2: How could you not offer me money? You live on
Speaker 2: Fifth Avenue and like by the park, Like it.
Speaker 1: Was like, your financial issues are not my problem.
Speaker 2: Exactly, like get it together.
Speaker 1: Sweet. She wasn't wrong, No.
Speaker 2: She was not wrong. She was not wrong. I think Carrie.
Speaker 2: I give Carrie a live benefit of the doubt all
Speaker 2: the time. Of course, she's like when I watch her,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I see it, girl, Like, I don't agree
Speaker 2: with it, but I see it. She doesn't want it
Speaker 2: to be offered the money. I don't think she would
Speaker 2: have taken it. She did end up taking it because
Speaker 2: Charlotte did offer in the end. That was like the arc, right,
Speaker 2: But I think she just wanted the.
Speaker 1: Gesture yes, like show me that you care about me
Speaker 1: in a way that you're capable of coming through on. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know that maybe asking the other girls wouldn't be
Speaker 1: as feasible, but it's it's feasible for you. Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: after her divorce, she did very well after her divorce.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, And that's another one, is okay, expectation versus reality.
Speaker 1: I think in these pieces of media, divorce is something
Speaker 1: that you come out of with something tangible right, and
Speaker 1: it sets you up and it's almost something to celebrate.
Speaker 1: But I think in reality we're not divorced. But in reality,
Speaker 1: I think it's a much messier, more painful, and more
Speaker 1: expensive thing.
Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere, lookomotives, We'll be right back, and we're
Speaker 2: back with more of our episode.
Speaker 1: What else? Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: So another like reality of being in our thirties. Oh,
Speaker 1: my god, just like the constant cleaning, just constantly cleaning, right,
Speaker 1: constantly cleaning, and it gives me so much perspective. Like
Speaker 1: growing up, I remember being like, why is my mom
Speaker 1: so insane about cleaning? She's like always up in arms,
Speaker 1: like running, like like it was a constant stress. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, and like so and so their house is
Speaker 1: always immaculate and why no, no, no, no, no, no, no, all that.
Speaker 1: But our house was also like people were always at
Speaker 1: our house, like friends, the track team, the cross country team,
Speaker 1: like sleepovers. We always had people in our house like friends,
Speaker 1: and we would host parties and all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: And so it was also this like, oh, we're always
Speaker 1: getting ready because people are coming over. You know, someone's
Speaker 1: coming over. We gotta get ready. Someone's coming over. We
Speaker 1: gotta get ready.
Speaker 2: The house has to be clean for people to come over.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And as an adult, it's like, okay, now
Speaker 1: I understand why it was just this constant loop. Yes,
Speaker 1: because it's a constant just reality is one is constantly cleaning,
Speaker 1: and like constantly buying paper towels, constantly buying toilet paper,
Speaker 1: constantly buying swift or wet white.
Speaker 2: It's expensive, it's expensive. Yeah, you know what else, my
Speaker 2: expectation and reality look very different. And I feel this
Speaker 2: is partly based on location. But in Sex and the City,
Speaker 2: the girls were going out all.
Speaker 1: The time, constantly.
Speaker 2: How did they have the stamina at their age, because
Speaker 2: I'm thirty one and I don't have the stamina no
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Granted we live through a global pandemic. Lots of things
Speaker 2: are happening. It makes sense, right, it's fictional. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: were going out all the time. But I also makes
Speaker 2: me wonder, is it also because they lived in New
Speaker 2: York and it's still walkable. So for us, it's like
Speaker 2: it could be a whole journey to go out. It's
Speaker 2: true because it's maybe further out we have to take
Speaker 2: an uber or maybe we're driving, but then there's traffic,
Speaker 2: Like it's a whole thing to go out in LA
Speaker 2: And so sometimes that will determin me like, oh, I
Speaker 2: don't really want to get ready to go out and
Speaker 2: to drive, and I'll stop myself.
Speaker 1: No truly, I mean yeah, that would be.
Speaker 2: My expectation and reality that's a little different.
Speaker 1: The expectation is like, oh, it's Friday, we're going out.
Speaker 1: It's Saturday, we're going out.
Speaker 2: Again, cocktail hour, happy hour.
Speaker 1: Yes, the reality is like how many happy hours can
Speaker 1: we really go to if you have to drive to
Speaker 1: all of them? Yes, A, yes, you know. And B
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like the women in Sex and
Speaker 1: the City, they were in their New York City apartments,
Speaker 1: So I think it's easy to like, oh, it's your
Speaker 1: tiny apartment.
Speaker 2: You're just hopping out, like got to get out. I'm
Speaker 2: going to go to my neighborhood bar, I'm going to
Speaker 2: go somewhere fabulous, because they were going to fababulous places.
Speaker 2: They were just going to the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Water, And so I think about a place like New
Speaker 1: York and instead of staying in you like your tiny
Speaker 1: little box that you live in, like you got to
Speaker 1: get out right and you don't have a yard and
Speaker 1: you don't really have your neighborhood. Is like I guess
Speaker 1: it's a neighborhood, right, but like I wouldn't. I would
Speaker 1: feel probably that claustrophobia that makes sense, you know, Yes,
Speaker 1: let me get out of here.
Speaker 2: Something I'm trying to do I'm trying to channel, especially
Speaker 2: this summer is just more impromptu gatherings, hangs, cocktail hours,
Speaker 2: if you will, Sananda and I had this day last
Speaker 2: last week where we were just like out and about
Speaker 2: the whole day and it was lovely and we hadn't
Speaker 2: had one of those days in a while where we
Speaker 2: were just like unplanned, let's just like see where we go.
Speaker 2: And we ended up going to like all our favorite
Speaker 2: little spots. But it was really nice and we were
Speaker 2: there just us too, like having our cocktail that heen
Speaker 2: joined us, and there was this group of people. It
Speaker 2: started small, it was just like four people like having
Speaker 2: their cocktail as a friend group, and then it got
Speaker 2: bigger and bigger and bigger, and like people just kept
Speaker 2: popping in like as it went, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: the way my friend's schedules are, like I don't know
Speaker 2: if I could text them right now and be like
Speaker 2: come grab a drink, right, but I'm aspiring to have
Speaker 2: that kind of hang this summer or it's just it's
Speaker 2: just random spontaneous. If you're free, you're free, come grab
Speaker 2: a drink, come to the park, come hang out. I
Speaker 2: think that's like that, just like that spontaneity that makes
Speaker 2: life so fun. Like, oh you know, I got to
Speaker 2: see my friend today and it was lovely. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: got to hang out and it wasn't planned. It wasn't
Speaker 2: someone's birthday. I feel like the older we get, the
Speaker 2: more it's about the birthday gatherings, the holidays, which is great,
Speaker 2: but like all that in between time is so important,
Speaker 2: and so that's something I'm like trying to orchestrate as
Speaker 2: the planner of my friend group.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, I love Please include me in
Speaker 1: the impromptu hang Yes, I will invite you. It just
Speaker 1: might be there.
Speaker 2: She's like, I might be available.
Speaker 1: She just might attend. But yeah, expectation versus reality. I
Speaker 1: think thirties are fabulous. I'm having a wonderful time. I'm
Speaker 1: like continuing to learn and grow as a person and
Speaker 1: just figuring things out. Continue. And that's part of it too,
Speaker 1: is like it's not all figured out by the time
Speaker 1: you're thirty. No, it's a continuous process. It never ends.
Speaker 1: It never ends.
Speaker 2: It's also never too late to pivot. No, I've never
Speaker 2: been less afraid to not have a plan. And I'm
Speaker 2: such a planner. But it's like, ooh, sometimes we pivot,
Speaker 2: And I agree, not having you're not going to have
Speaker 2: everything figured out by the time you're thirty.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I also wasn't afraid to turn thirty. I feel like
Speaker 2: with the I mean, we talked about positive representations right
Speaker 2: of like being you're thirty and being a young woman,
Speaker 2: or just being a woman in your thirties. But I
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, the culture, pop culture at least
Speaker 2: has had these representations of like being afraid to turn thirty, right.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about, you know, in the series Friends,
Speaker 2: when we start, everyone's in their twenties. Yeah, at least
Speaker 2: the characters are. And so there's an episode about everyone
Speaker 2: turning thirty and they're all miserable, like it's horrible, their
Speaker 2: life is over. They didn't do everything they thought they
Speaker 2: were going to do by the time they were thirty,
Speaker 2: and that's like the whole point of the episode. I
Speaker 2: didn't feel afraid to turn thirty. I felt like, I'm
Speaker 2: ready to turn thirty. I'm ready to put these twenties
Speaker 2: behind me. Let's see what happens. Thirties have been rough,
Speaker 2: let me say, but there's also been a lot of
Speaker 2: like beautiful things, lots of growth, lots of lovely, wonderful things.
Speaker 2: It's still life. It's still challenging. I think whatever decade
Speaker 2: you're in and we're still young. That is something I've
Speaker 2: been telling myself is young. I'm sorry, y'all, we have
Speaker 2: got to let go of this like Signora mentality. I'm
Speaker 2: so old. Yes to Senora, No, get out, get out,
Speaker 2: do something, do everything, do everything. We're so young.
Speaker 1: Yes. My mom is in her sixties and she's still dance.
Speaker 1: My mom's a professional dancer. She still performs. She still dances. Yes,
Speaker 1: And she's in rehearsal every week, and she's performing every week.
Speaker 1: And it's like hard work. It's very physical. It's like
Speaker 1: very exhausting work. But she's an incredible shape. My mom
Speaker 1: has so much energy.
Speaker 2: Your mom has a lot of stamina. Your mom also
Speaker 2: likes to go out, like with her friends, like they
Speaker 2: like to go dancing. Yeah, like little events.
Speaker 1: They go out for their little margarita, they go out
Speaker 1: for their little brunches. They have like their spots like
Speaker 1: to go to. For a while, my mom was hosting
Speaker 1: this Mesa and Mimosa's event where she would like her
Speaker 1: and her friends would pick a different church and go
Speaker 1: to Mass and then get Mimosa's afterwards. They're constantly out.
Speaker 1: If anything, my mom lives more of a sex in
Speaker 1: the city life than I ever have truly, truly yes,
Speaker 1: and they're getting they get together, they talk about their
Speaker 1: husbands and their ex husbands and their next husbands. You know,
Speaker 1: for them, it is fabulous, so she to me. Even
Speaker 1: sometimes when I'm with my mom, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: the less energetic one. Yes, you know, and so she is.
Speaker 1: This just reminder that like youth.
Speaker 2: And energy is, it's a mindset.
Speaker 1: It's a mindset and that can carry with you even
Speaker 1: into your sixties and seventies.
Speaker 2: I love that. That's a great, great place to pause. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: we're still young. We will continue to be young.
Speaker 1: We will forever young for every young.
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