1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: What is up Straight Fire Ram. 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 3: It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight player for Thursday, December the eighteenth. Oh, 4 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: do we have a great Thursday night football game tonight? 5 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: Seahawks Rams. It's basically for all the marbles in the NFC, 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 3: NFC West on the line, number one seed on the line. 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 3: I don't think the Bears are going to catch the 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 3: Rams for the number one seed. I think the Rams 9 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: win tonight. No Devonte Adams the bigger story. It looks 10 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 3: like Charles Cross the important left tackle for Seattle. It's 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: funny everybody's talking about Devanta Adams missing the left tackle. 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: Sam Darnold's big time protector on the left side. Charles 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: Cross does not look like he's going to go. I 14 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 3: think that may matter a little bit against a Rams 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: defense that needs to generate pressure because the secondary kind 16 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: of state. I did bet the uh I'm gonna as 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 3: we record this, I'm gonna bet the first half under 18 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: as soon as I see it. I think we see 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: a slow start here. Last three games the Seahawks and 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: the first half half zero offensive touchdowns. I think teams 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: have caught up to the Kubiak scheme, their tilting coverage 22 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 3: toward JSN Sam Donald. Fifteen drives in the last three games. 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: One has been more than fifty yards. 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 2: That's it. 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 4: Now. 26 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: Maybe they'll have something cooked up for the Rams on 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: the script here, but I don't see a world where 28 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: this is like a high scoring first half. I mean, 29 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: anything can happen in the NFL, but everything I look 30 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: at is Rams defense is gonna put pressure on Donald 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 3: and guys. I know people don't want to hear this, 32 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 3: but Donald has been awful of late. You look at 33 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: the last five games, he's got five picks. Before that, 34 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: I think he had five picks on the season or 35 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: four something really low. But yeah, you keep an eye 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: on Jared Verse here against the backup left tackle. 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: I was looking into this guy. His name is Jones. 38 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: If Cross doesn't go, he has played like forty five 39 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: snaps all season. So they can either shift the right 40 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 3: tackle to the left Lucas, or they can have this 41 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 3: guy Jones go up against Jared Verse, the best pass 42 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 3: rusher on the Rams. 43 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 2: Good luck, my friend. So I think he's low scoring. 44 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: I'll take the Rams seventeen sixteen something close and low scoring. 45 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: Rob g I know You're very salty that DeVonta Adams 46 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 3: will not play. He's on your fantasy team, by the way, 47 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: don't get me started on fantasy. I'm in the playoffs 48 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 3: in three of our four leagues, but the injuries are 49 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: catching up. Anything from you on Rams Seahawks before we 50 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: dive into other sports. 51 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 5: Topics, Well, first off, yes, I'm pissed off because in 52 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 5: the semi finals are my two biggest money leagues, the 53 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 5: ones I care about the most, and Devontae Adams a 54 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 5: big reason why I'm in the semifinals, and now he's 55 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 5: all signs point to him not playing here on Thursday, 56 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 5: So I'm going to be stuck starting Lad McConkie as 57 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 5: my wide receiver one. And he I think two weeks 58 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 5: ago got one catch and last week got three catches. 59 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 5: So it's not looking good for your boy. As far 60 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 5: as the night's game, I think I'm gonna go with 61 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 5: Seattle in this one. Oh, because you recall the last 62 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 5: time they played each other, Sam Donald threw four picks 63 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 5: and they still only lost by like one score. And 64 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 5: I don't think Sam Donald as bad as he's been 65 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 5: in Middle League the last couple of weeks, I don't 66 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 5: think he's four picks bad. And then on top of that, 67 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 5: Puka Nakua for whatever reason, deciding he wants to go 68 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 5: on a live stream or the podcast or a bunch 69 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 5: of influencers say that NFL refs are quote the worst, 70 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 5: which you know that's fine, but then to go on 71 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 5: and say later that these guys just want to be 72 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 5: on TV. You don't think he's texting his friends group chat, like, yo, 73 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 5: you saw what they did is Sunday Night Football. That 74 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 5: wasn't a PI, but I called it. Something tells me 75 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 5: what something tells me? He's talking about refs, like, yes, 76 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 5: this is the exactly I'll read it to you verbatim. 77 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 5: The refs are the worst. Some of the rules aren't 78 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 5: being followed. These guys want to be on TV. These 79 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 5: guys are lawyers, they want to be on TV too. 80 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 5: You don't think he's texting his friends in the group 81 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 5: chat like yo, you guys just saw me on Sunday 82 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 5: Night Football. That wasn't a PI but I called it. 83 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 5: They're normal human beings, Bro, Pooka, I can promise you, 84 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 5: and I'm not saying this is being nefarious or but 85 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 5: I promise you you're gonna have at least one call, 86 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 5: probably a big call. Go against you when you say 87 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 5: stuff like this publicly. To your point, these are human 88 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 5: beings too, Bro, This is not gonna go over well 89 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 5: for you on Thursday night. 90 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, if he needs a call, he's probably not gonna 91 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: Why would he do that? 92 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: He went on a Was he drunk? 93 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 4: I don't he might. 94 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 5: I mean he had a drink in his hand in 95 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 5: the video, but you know it's just not smart. 96 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, of all the times to do that too, 97 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 3: like right now going after refs. Yeah, I'm not feeling 98 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: that there was another NFL story. We'll get to some 99 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 3: NBA in a set, because I haven't caught. 100 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: Up with Robin a while. 101 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: But you know, Joe Burrow came out and said some 102 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: stuff last week and then the Bengals proceeded to stink 103 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 3: up the joint. All these Bengals fans are like, Joe 104 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: Burrow's not going anywhere. 105 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: He's just upset, you can understand. 106 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 3: But I don't want to say he doubled down rob 107 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 3: But you know, met with the media on Wednesday when 108 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: he was asked if he's thought about playing for anybody 109 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: else next season, He's like, I can't see that, and 110 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 3: then Joe, what about playing for another team at some 111 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: point in your career? Quote you think about a lot 112 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: of things. And I'm like, okay, so is that a 113 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: double down? I mean, not technically, but it's just giving 114 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: chum to the media. I don't really get the point 115 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: of this. I don't see where's the win. I mean, essentially, 116 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: Rob Joe could have just said, yeah, I'm not thinking 117 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: about that. I'm thinking about the Miami Dolphins defense and 118 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: finishing the season strong, boom and done. 119 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: End the story. Why are you taking the bait? Are 120 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: you that pissed? Are you trying to send a message 121 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: to the owner. I don't know why. You're the franchise quarterback. 122 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: You could just call the owner. 123 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: I would assume the franchise quarterback can text the owner 124 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: and just be like, hey, can we get a meeting. 125 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: I just don't understand the win. This seems like out 126 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: of character for Burrow. I'm seeing a lot of Andrew 127 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: Luck comparisons. Well, he was down, he was beaten down 128 00:05:58,920 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 3: by the injuries. 129 00:05:59,480 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: He just bolted. 130 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know, Burrow's the son of a coach. 131 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 3: This guy like eats, sleeps and breeds football and then 132 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: of course he's got his ig influencer girlfriend. But other 133 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 3: than that, like, that's all Joe Burrow is about football. 134 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 3: I guess fashion would be a distant third. But Rob, 135 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: none of this seems to be making sense. Is he 136 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: that this that they're missing the playoff three straight years? 137 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,119 Speaker 2: I don't know. It just feels very weird. 138 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's definitely something going on now. 139 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 5: And you know what's funny is that, well, I don't 140 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 5: know if this is funny, but it's ironic that Jamar Chase. 141 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 5: After the first comments came out, they asked Chase about it, 142 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 5: and he's like, I thought that was ai. I had 143 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 5: no idea that he was really feeling this way. And 144 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 5: the one thing that's kind of being swept under the 145 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 5: rug is that in his initial comments, he was asked, Hey, 146 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 5: is this all football relaters other stuff on the field 147 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 5: off the field, and he said both, And people forget. 148 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 5: I think Joe Burr was one of the people who 149 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 5: was targeted with that breaking and entering situation at his house. 150 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 5: He has a new relationship, he's been hurt a lot. 151 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 5: The team sucks. So if you're Joe Burrow, I'm sure 152 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 5: there's part of him that feels like, and this might 153 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 5: sound crazy to say, because he's got like a quarter 154 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 5: billion dollars in his bank account, that the world's kind 155 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 5: of caving in on him, that everything around him is 156 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 5: kind of following apart. It's not going the way I 157 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 5: thought it was going to go. It seems like, no 158 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 5: matter how hard I struggle and how hard I try, 159 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 5: I rush back from this injury or come back from 160 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 5: that injury, I got a metal plate in my cleat 161 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 5: so I can play. 162 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 4: The team still sucks. 163 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 5: I'm still throwing bad interceptions and my house is getting 164 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 5: broken into. Like this is not going well for me, 165 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 5: And so I can totally see that it's kind of 166 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 5: weighing on him now. 167 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 4: Part of it could just. 168 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 5: Be the front office ending a message, is trying to 169 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 5: get some change there in Cincinnati. Part of it could 170 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 5: just be that he's, like any normal person, having one 171 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 5: of those days, weeks, months, that like, shit sucks right now. 172 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: It's just very down bad. 173 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: I just I find it hard to believe he's gonna 174 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 3: straight up and force his way out of say it 175 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 3: just doesn't now again, Listen, man, things change. Maybe Burrow 176 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: gets all worked up and just bolt, But that would 177 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: be a major shocker for me if he was, like 178 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: I demanded to trade any other NFL topics you want 179 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: to dig into rob before we pivot to the NBA. 180 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:09,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, quickly. 181 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 5: I know one of the big stories on Wednesday. You 182 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 5: touched that up, touched on it a little bit on 183 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 5: yesterday's podcast. You know what's gonna happen with Tua? What's 184 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 5: gonna happen with too? And Tua officially was benched on Wednesday, 185 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 5: so much though that he is not even the backup anymore. 186 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 5: He's the emergency third quarterback befine behind Jets legend Zach 187 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 5: Wilson and Quinn Ewers, who is now the starter. And 188 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 5: I might be on an island with this one, but 189 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 5: I feel like Tua got screwed in a big, big, 190 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 5: big way, because yes, he is having a down year, 191 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 5: you know, to put him mildly. Did you know that 192 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 5: right now as we record this podcast, Tua has a 193 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,599 Speaker 5: higher passer rating than Trevor Lawrence, Jaye and Daniels and 194 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 5: Joe Burrow and he's exactly one point behind Patrick Mahomes. 195 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 5: So you have four guys who are considered slam dunk 196 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 5: Frankran can't miss quarterbacks QB one of the QB one 197 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 5: and another guy who got bench for Quinn Eers. Okay, 198 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 5: and here's the other one. People don't like this because 199 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 5: it doesn't fit the narrative. Tua is part of that 200 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 5: illustrious twenty twenty quarterback class, right, like it's Joe Burrow 201 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 5: at the top. You know, Tua, Jalen Hurds, Trevor Lawrence, 202 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 5: Justin Herbert, Jordan Love, Like all of those guys are 203 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 5: all in that class if you exclude Burrow, because I 204 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 5: think that statistically and just win percentage wise, like he's 205 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 5: a tier above everybody else. Tua has the highest win 206 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 5: percentage of everybody not named Jalen Hurts, He has the 207 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 5: highest completion percentage. He throws for more yards per game 208 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 5: than everybody but Justin Herbert, and he has a higher 209 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 5: passer rating than everybody but Jordan Love. So by any 210 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 5: metric that you like to look at, the number say 211 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 5: that not only is Tua a solid NFL quarterback, but 212 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 5: on a lot of days he could be a top 213 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 5: ten ish, top eight ish quarterback in the NFL. But 214 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 5: because of where he plays in Miami, and they have 215 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 5: built a soft culture there under Mike McDaniel's ball documented 216 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 5: and I'm not saying this at the turn, it's it's hey, 217 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 5: he doesn't punish guys, and when he does, he does 218 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 5: it like real half assed. Jalen Ramsey had to go, 219 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 5: Tyreek Hill had to go. And you know, Mike McDaniel's 220 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 5: on the sideline of a playoff game in Kansas City 221 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 5: smoking a vap pen, has twelve different jackets on, because 222 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 5: even he can handle the cold weather, right so, because 223 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 5: Tua plays for that organization, because he's a little bit 224 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 5: small in stature relative to the position. Because and this 225 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 5: is probably the biggest thing we've seen him get concussed 226 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 5: repeatedly that there seems to be this narrative that he 227 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 5: just can't play quarterback at a high level, and that 228 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 5: could not be further from the truth. Instead, he is 229 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 5: being scapegoaded by a desperate coach in a desperate situation. 230 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 5: And it's going to be real awkward this offseason when 231 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 5: Mike McDaniel ultimately gets fired and they have a decision 232 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 5: to make on whether or not they're going to bring 233 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 5: back their fifty plus million dollar year quarterback and take 234 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 5: a or if they're going to take a whatever. Almost 235 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 5: one hundred million dollar dead cap hit two. I got screwed, 236 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 5: point blank, period. 237 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 238 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 239 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 240 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: listen live. 241 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: Well, I don't totally disagree. 242 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 3: I would counter, I don't think it's over for him. 243 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: Rob. 244 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: What did the New York Jets do the last couple 245 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 3: of weeks? Hey, Justin Fields, Now we're gonna sit you. 246 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor? Are you healthy? 247 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: Dot? 248 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 4: Hey, We're good. 249 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: We're gonna start this rookie Brady Cook, who nobody's heard of. Okay, 250 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels tried to come back, lasted a half, and 251 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 3: then they were like, oh, we should shut him down. 252 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: These are soft tanks. 253 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 3: I wonder if the Dolphins realize, you know, we're out 254 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: of the playoffs. Now, we don't want to it to 255 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 3: get hurt. Let's see what we got in Quinnywers aka 256 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 3: soft tank. So all of a sudden, now you're basically 257 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 3: trying to lose your final three games. Maybe you steal 258 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: a top ten pick. I think we would agree to 259 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 3: is not going anywhere because of his contract. All these 260 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: guys are trying to do salary cap gymnastics to figure 261 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: out how. 262 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: To move to a He ain't going nowhere. Nobody's taken 263 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: on that contract. Nobody. 264 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 3: And the idea of cutting him, Yeah, again, great idea 265 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: in theory. Awesome, Hey, you could do what Denver did. 266 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 3: But Denver had a plan. There were like five good 267 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 3: quarterbacks coming out. Oh, Nick's had four years college experience 268 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 3: as a starter, Like, there ain't nobody like that in 269 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: the draft. So this idea that they're gonna cut to 270 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: I would be stunned. I think it's financial malpractice. And oh, 271 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: by the way, is that what you want to do 272 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: is you're the GM of the team. You come in, 273 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 3: the first thing you do, you got a crap roster 274 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: you're gonna dump to a Remember Rob deven in our articulator, 275 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: he's got some decent numbers. 276 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 2: You know, he clearly got them to the playoffs twice. 277 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 3: Now him and McDaniel's a team. I still think the 278 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: best bet is to keep McDaniel, keep Tua. If Tua 279 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 3: doesn't win the job, wonderful, he doesn't win the job, 280 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: he's your expensive backup, and then you cut him because 281 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 3: that's when there's an out in the contract. 282 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 4: I don't know. 283 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 2: Do you think Quinn Ewers cooks. 284 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 3: Against the Bengals. I mean, the Bengals have one of 285 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: the worst defenses in the league. Why maybe when yours 286 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 3: looks good. Look, Tyler Shuck, Rob Tyler Shuck is on 287 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: fire in New Orleans. They think he's a franchise quarterback. 288 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 5: Now, isn't Tyler Shuck my age? Like, yeah, I know 289 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 5: that he's like almost thirty at this point, already as 290 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 5: a rookie. Now, what you're saying makes total sense. I 291 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 5: guess The only semi pushback to that is that Mike 292 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 5: McDaniel made a point to say on Wednesday that part 293 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 5: of this move is because they believe that Quinn yours 294 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 5: give them the best chance to win. 295 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: Oh, he's got sick and if. 296 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 5: You but I feel like if you wanted to quietly tank, 297 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 5: the company line could have been, you know two has 298 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 5: been nicked up a lot this season. We're already eliminated 299 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 5: fro playoff contention. We want to see what we have 300 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 5: in the young guys, but dead they go out of 301 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 5: their way to say this guy gives us the best 302 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 5: chance to win and then let to a meet with 303 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 5: the media, right afterwards, and he's clearly pissed off. The 304 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 5: problem is he's too classy to really say anything bad, 305 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 5: but he's like, yeah, I didn't like the decision. 306 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 4: You know, it is what it is. I'm gonna help 307 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 4: the guys in a bunch of The only problem with. 308 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: Like making excuses for why Tour should be benched. If 309 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: they said he's a little nicked up, Well, what's the injury, 310 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 3: and then they asked to what's your injury? 311 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: Now I'm fine, I'm healthy, then it becomes. 312 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 4: You got to get on the same page and be like, hey, you. 313 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: Lie about it into. 314 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: Overall like, yeah, things are not The vibes, as the 315 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: kids say, are not really good right now in Miami, 316 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 3: but you know what, it's late December. Vibes are good 317 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: for like at least ten teams, including my Jets, and 318 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 3: I would say the Giants where there's like there's people 319 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 3: now sounding off saying Joe Jackson Dart, you got to 320 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 3: shut him down. You don't want to win games. I 321 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: don't Jackson Dart looked pretty bad last couple of games. 322 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, he's got five trips to 323 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 3: the Blue Tent in his young career and that's in 324 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: so I don't it's a weird time in the NFL. 325 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 3: A lot of teams just are are in a crappy spot. 326 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 3: Let's go to a sport where there's a lot of 327 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 3: teams in a good spot, and that's the NBA. Oh 328 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: my gosh, Rob, I was so thrilled to watch the 329 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 3: NBA Cup. I know you like the NBA Cup. Remember 330 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: the Lakers hung a banner. Some fans were outraged. I 331 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 3: saw on Wednesday the NIXT announced they will not be 332 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: hanging a banner for the NBA Cup, and I'm just like, 333 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: how dumb are you guys? How teams throughout the NBA 334 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 3: hang a banner for division titles. The divisions have all 335 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 3: changed now, but they still got the banners up. Again, 336 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: I'll be brief on this one. Yes, the NBA Cup 337 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 3: is gimmicky. It's in year three, but it's very clear 338 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: that teams are trying hard. We had the Bucks beat 339 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: the thunder last year, Yannis over the team that ended 340 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 3: up winning the title, the Lakers. I don't remember who 341 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 3: they beat in the first year. 342 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 4: To you, the Pacers. 343 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 3: Lakers beat the pay Pacers ended up the next year 344 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: I think or they went to the conference finals, Lakers 345 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: won the Cup, and then this year you've got NIX 346 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: over the Spurs. 347 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: Nicks are the best team in the East. Folks, these teams. 348 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: Cared, they tried hard. It was interesting basketball. It mattered 349 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: in December. 350 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: I know a lot of. 351 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: People are like, oh, well, manufactured nonsense. Oh come on, 352 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 3: this is a joke. They don't try hard in NBA 353 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 3: games regularly, but because of this tournament, they're trying hard. 354 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: Fine, all that could be true. That's great, it's still 355 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: a tournament and you won the damn thing. 356 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: You celebrated on the court in Vegas like you won 357 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: the title. Hang a banner. I love this idea that like, 358 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 3: hang a banners beneath us. Nicks haven't won shit in 359 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: fifty years. And by the way, these stadiums are huge. 360 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 3: You tell me it's not room up there for a banner. 361 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 3: I just don't get it. Like, be proud. The team 362 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 3: accomplished something pretty impressive. They were down a double digits 363 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: in the third, came back to win, The team was entered. 364 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: You don't know if this. 365 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 3: Is a like a springboard to something huge. I mean, 366 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 3: one could argue the thunder were so motivated after getting 367 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 3: their ass kicked by the Bucks that they got it 368 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 3: together second half and went on to win the title. 369 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: So I totally disagree with this. 370 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 3: We can't hang a banner that's beneath us like Knicks 371 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 3: fans get a clue. 372 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 5: You know, I was really prepared when you started doing 373 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 5: that rand to say, J Mack, you're dead wrong. 374 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 4: And here's the reason why you're wrong. 375 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 5: It was gonna start off with, the only reason the 376 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 5: Lakers hung their banner is because the NBA asked them to, 377 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 5: because they wanted to legitimize the NBA. Did they really Yes, 378 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 5: that was well reported because you know, the Lakers only 379 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 5: whole only hang championships, like they're not one of those 380 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 5: team that hangs specific division and things like that, like 381 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 5: it's NBA title, retied Jersey, that's it, Like there's nothing 382 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 5: else fair. But the NBA requested, Hey, we're trying to 383 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 5: make this a thing. We're trying to make it seem legitimate. 384 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 5: It would really mean a lot to us if you 385 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 5: hung a banner, and they did, and then the Bucks 386 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 5: went ahead and did the same. And now that Nick 387 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 5: that they're like, no, we're not doing that. We're too 388 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 5: good for that. We have bigger fish to fry until 389 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 5: in your rent you mentioned that they haven't won shit 390 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 5: and forever. 391 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 4: So I looked it up. 392 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 5: The Knicks have not hung a team banner since winning 393 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 5: the Eastern Conference in nineteen ninety nine. 394 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: Okay, so not fifty years, so twenty five years. 395 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 5: You're right now. Now I'm flipped on it, because at 396 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 5: least the Lakers can say, look. 397 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 4: We just won a championship in twenty twenty. 398 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 5: We've won what is it, six of them, it's in 399 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 5: the two thousands, Like, it's kind of weird for us 400 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 5: to do it. The Bucks had just won a championship. 401 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 5: It's kind of weird for us to do it. But 402 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 5: you know, if you're asking, we'll do it. The Knicks, 403 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 5: to your point, have nothing up in Madison Square Garden, 404 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 5: you know, pre nineteen seventy right, like there's or proposed 405 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 5: nineteen seventy five, whatever it is, Like, why wouldn't you 406 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 5: at this point celebrate something there in the garden. Like 407 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 5: you're not going to be able to get the jersey 408 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 5: retirement for Jeremy Lynn, As great as that was for 409 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 5: a few weeks, Cormelow Anthony didn't. 410 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 4: Do enough to get his jersey retired. Hell, No, I 411 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 4: don't think John Starks is gonna get his done. 412 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: No, what about Anthony Mason, Alan Houston whatever? 413 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 5: You know, Like I go down the list, like Tyson 414 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 5: Chandler with Mary Stodameier for a hot minute, Like, I 415 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 5: don't see any situation unless somehow Jalen Brunton gets you 416 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 5: a championship that you're gonna have anything to hang for 417 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 5: the next five ten years. 418 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 4: So why not take the small win? Throw it up there. 419 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 5: It was a moment in time and to your point, 420 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 5: they were popping bottles and Karl Anthony Towns was facetiming 421 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 5: with Ben Steeller and Timothy Shallamy in the locker room. 422 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 5: Are you seriously it met something to somebody. Damn, they 423 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 5: were facetiming with challow May. That's pretty cool, man, that's 424 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 5: a boss move at this point. 425 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 3: Well, listen, we didn't talk Rob and I will do 426 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 3: some prep beforehand, some texts about topics, and we didn't 427 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: discuss this, Rob, But I just remembered it because you're 428 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: like talking about how. 429 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 2: Exciting it is in the locker room. 430 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 3: You know, the polar opposite of that is the La 431 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: Clippers right now, And we don't do a lot of Clippers, 432 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 3: but Mike's clearly My worst off season take was, oh, 433 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 3: the Clippers adding Bradley Beal, There's going to be super 434 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: dangerous in the West. Bradley Beial is hurt out for 435 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: the season. Come on, who could have seen that coming? 436 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 3: And worse yet, this Chris Paul thing. Now, I didn't 437 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 3: really talk about it on the Pile. I think you 438 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 3: had did it on your radio show with Parker and Washington, 439 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 3: But Ramona Shelbourne dropped a story on the Chris Paul ending. 440 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 3: Holy hell, that was very clearly, at least from my perspective, 441 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 3: the whole Chris Paul just laid out the entire story. 442 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 4: Okay, sure, Holy cal. 443 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 3: The Tyler stuff is crazy because I got I'm on 444 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 3: some text change with some guys who play hoops and 445 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: one of them swears that just because there's one video 446 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 3: on TikTok of Chris Paul talking to Tyler's girlfriend outside 447 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 3: the locker room and then Tylu comes out and Chris 448 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: Paul like puts his head down and walks away or something. 449 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: They're like, oh, he was he was trying to rise up. 450 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: That's what the guy wrote. He's trying to riz up 451 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 3: Tyler's and it turns out Tyler's dating a WNBA coach 452 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: of I forget what the team is, so it's one 453 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 3: of the teams out here on the West Coast. I 454 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 3: don't think that's the situation. But man, it's very clear 455 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 3: that Chris Paul is a jerk. 456 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 2: I get it. 457 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 3: He doesn't want to lose, and I love that attitude, 458 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 3: that mentality. Were fighting until the end, but like constantly 459 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 3: going to the coaches and players and doing like little 460 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 3: coachy things that undermines the staff so significantly. Like apparently 461 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: there was one article, one part in the article rob 462 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 3: where him and Jeff Van Gundy are sitting next to 463 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: each other on the bench for like an entire half 464 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 3: and not a word was said. And then at one 465 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: point Chris Paul makes a joke about are you not 466 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 3: talking to me? 467 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 2: Like what is this middle school? 468 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 3: And then Chris Paul has a Halloween party, invites the team, 469 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 3: and only a few people showed up. Now the whole staff, 470 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: of course, everybody's gonna show, but like players aren't really 471 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: showing up, And I don't know, it just seems like 472 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 3: Chris Paul is a lot and he clearly wears on you, 473 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 3: and I get it in his prime. He's winning, he's dealing, 474 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,239 Speaker 3: he's all NBA. But I think when you look at 475 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: guys like Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, there's a reason they've 476 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: bounced around to so many teams at the end of 477 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 3: their career. I mean, this is who Chris Paul's played 478 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 3: for since Houston, right, So he played for Houston, OKC 479 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 3: for one year, Phoenix for three, Golden State. I forgot 480 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: about the Golden State, the Spurs, and now the Clippers, 481 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: and he lasted sixteen games. These guys are just trying 482 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 3: to hang on for dear life, you know, because they 483 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: love who Chris Paul clearly is deeply in love with 484 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 3: basketball and getting better and does not like losing. He 485 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 3: might make a good coach at some point, but I 486 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: just read that story and I was like, man, they're 487 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 3: down bad, They're like what six and twenty. He's trying 488 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: to help, but he's undermining the coaching staff. It got 489 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 3: to the point where, like on the plane when the 490 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: coaches were telling him, yeah, why'd you do this, and 491 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 3: he's like, no, I didn't do that. He's like going 492 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 3: back to talk to the players to make sure that 493 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 3: what he was doing was not wrong, and then he 494 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 3: goes back to the coaches like, oh, I just talked 495 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 3: to Kawhi and whoever and they said this, and. 496 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my, I would lose my mind over this. 497 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 3: Like I just read that story and I was like, listen, 498 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 3: I get the competitive angle. I'm competitive as shit, but 499 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 3: Chris Paul's lack of self awareness to not just be like, yeah, 500 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: I'm just going to shut up, sit on the bench, 501 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 3: clock my checks and enjoyed my last. 502 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: Season in the NBA. I was stunned by that story. 503 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: Cut Rob. I don't know if you read it. 504 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 5: I did, and I actually interpreted the exact opposite. I 505 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 5: came away thinking, man tylu Jeff van Gundy. And if 506 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 5: you read the article, it definitely feels like a veiled 507 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 5: shot at James Harden Oh, because you. 508 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: Know, that's interesting because he wasn't really mentioned in there. 509 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 5: A lot no, because it does point out that him 510 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 5: and Kawhi, Chris Paul and Kawhi were really cool, and 511 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 5: that Kawhi, you know, was one of the guys who 512 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 5: spoke to him afterwards and thing was all right because 513 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 5: apparently they saw eye eye. But it's made clear that 514 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 5: in that article the Clippers have a leadership problem. He says, 515 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 5: they don't talk after games when they lose. There's no 516 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 5: emphasis on trying to figure out what went wrong. They 517 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 5: have a dormant group chat. And then this is the 518 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 5: funny one is Chris Paul invited a bunch of players 519 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 5: out to a Halloween party and three guys showed up, 520 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 5: and so all of which points to, hey, where's the 521 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 5: leadership in this team? And we know it's not Kawhi 522 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 5: because Kawhi doesn't talk period, and we can infer that 523 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 5: Kawhi and CP were on the same page. The other 524 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 5: leader on that team is James Harden on the court 525 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 5: and Tyler and Lawrence Frank off the court. 526 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 4: And it seemed to be that when Chris. 527 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 5: Paul got there, he noticed very early on that this 528 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 5: team has a big void in that department. Let me 529 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 5: step up and try to do what I can to 530 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 5: galvanize this unit and take us to a level that 531 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 5: we quite frankly haven't gotten to ever, even when he 532 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 5: was in his heyday. And instead it backfired in such 533 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 5: a big way because Tylu felt threatened, Jeff Van Gundy 534 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 5: felt threatened, Lawrence Frank didn't like that it was supposed 535 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 5: to be a backup point guard was suddenly like the 536 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 5: vocal leader of the team. And it all went sideways 537 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 5: so quickly. And it's funny that you mentioned, you know, 538 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 5: Chris Paul trying to hang on, and that part of 539 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 5: that's true. The caveat to that is when he was 540 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 5: with a young OKC team, they surprised went to the playoffs. 541 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 5: When he was with a young San Antonio team, they 542 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 5: improved year over year even without Wemby. And what's the 543 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 5: third So Golden State didn't go very well with them? Well, Phoenix. 544 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 5: When he got to Phoenix, they went from and also 545 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 5: ran to a finals team. 546 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: Now those three, what are those three have in common? 547 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 3: The young teams, Yes, the young guys, Oh, they're coach esctive. 548 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 5: They love here like anything he can give them is 549 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 5: his money. When you get to a team that's veteran 550 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 5: leaden where all these guys have their habits, they have 551 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 5: their lives, they don't like being you know, quote unquote 552 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 5: coached by a peer. 553 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 4: That's where they go sideways. 554 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 5: And the reason why I think you're seeing this go 555 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 5: so much worse than like it did in Golden State 556 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 5: is that Golden State already had their leaders in place. 557 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 5: It was Draymond Green, it was Steph Curry, and Steph Curry, 558 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 5: for my money, is one of the best, if not 559 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 5: the best leaders in the NBA because he can lead 560 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 5: by example. He can lead without having to go through 561 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 5: the media and be the Lebron James passive aggressive type 562 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 5: like he can just do it and people will follow him. 563 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 5: When you got to the Clippers, Kawhi doesn't talk and 564 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 5: James Harden is notoriously one of the worst leaders in 565 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 5: the NBA going back to Houston, Philly and Brooklyn. So 566 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 5: it's no surprise that it went badly. I am surprised 567 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 5: that it went this badly. 568 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's an interesting story. You got to go 569 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 3: check that out from Ramona Shelburne. Otherwise, in the NFL, 570 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 3: it's kind of been quiet this week. You know, obviously 571 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 3: the two of stuff. I don't know, rob anything jump 572 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 3: out at you, obviously, besides fantasy, I'm really locked in 573 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 3: because you know, I'm a fantasy nerd. 574 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 575 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 576 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 577 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: listen live. 578 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 5: One thing is a kind of a sidebar. Foxsports dot Com. 579 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 5: They just you guys do great work over there. Kamcinow's 580 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 5: part of your team. I know you know you're a 581 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 5: digital guy for Fox Sports. They public put out a 582 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 5: thing just before arch Manning declared that he was going 583 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 5: to stay at Texas where they spoke to I think 584 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 5: it's nine executives and scouts, and almost to a man, 585 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 5: they said, even now, with an up and down season 586 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 5: that he had, the arch Manning would have been a 587 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 5: lock to go in the first round, with several saying 588 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 5: he could still go number one overall. 589 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 2: Wait wait this year? 590 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 4: This season? Oh hell no, I thought that was fascinating. 591 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: Well, that's crazy. First of all, the idea that he 592 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 3: a twenty one year old. I think he's twenty one, right, 593 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 3: maybe it'll be twenty two. But the idea that he 594 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 3: could go to a crap franchise like the Browns or 595 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 3: the Giants and gonna be the savior. 596 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 2: No way. 597 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 3: He started one year and was mid at best below 598 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 3: average most of the season, and at the end he 599 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 3: started to look good. And I'm sure next year he's 600 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 3: gonna cook, but go number one overall. 601 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 5: I come on to quote one of the executives. I 602 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 5: thought this was like the nail in the confidence to 603 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 5: why he would. 604 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 4: Talent. He's never lost that. It's what all the hype 605 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 4: boys from the beginning. It's still there. 606 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 5: So all the reasons why they thought he could have 607 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 5: went number one before the season is the same reason 608 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 5: they can go number one after the season, even after 609 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 5: he said it was mediocre. 610 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 3: I guess the counter to that is just remember NFL 611 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: people have no clue what they're doing drafting quarterbacks. 612 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: None, none. I mean, they just do not get it. 613 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: And listen, I'm not saying I have the answer. Nobody does. 614 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 3: It's just nobody has any clue what they're getting with 615 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 3: these quarterbacks, and for until they hacked that and figure 616 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 3: it out, Rob, I don't see how this is. 617 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: Gonna get any better. 618 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 3: People are still gonna draft bad quarterbacks in the top ten, 619 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 3: and you. 620 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 2: Know, even even some good ones. I mean, remember Trey Lance. 621 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: The forty nine ers. 622 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 3: We think we're smart traded up to get Trey Lance. 623 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 3: I mean, he's gonna have under ten starts in his 624 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 3: NFL career for sure, and I don't even know that 625 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: he's incredible backup when he comes on for the Chargers, 626 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 3: and it's like, shoot, do I have to face him now? 627 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 2: I don't know it just baically. 628 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 5: Justin Herbert with a broken hand and he can't throw. 629 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 5: We'd rather have him out there than Trey Lance that 630 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 5: speaks volumes right there. Yeah, I mean, three days after 631 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 5: a surgery, we're going to start Justin Herbert over Trey Lance. 632 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 633 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 3: So Tyler Schuck fell to the second round, Shadour, who 634 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 3: we thought was supposed to be first, falls to fifth. 635 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 2: Is garbage in preseason, is not good and relegated to practice. 636 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 3: Squad comes in and let's be honest, he hasn't been awful, right, 637 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's great or francisc but he hasn't 638 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 3: been terrible. 639 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: Now, last year was the year where there were Caleb Jaden, 640 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: May Pennox, McCarthy, Bonix. Six guys were good. 641 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 4: I mean, and don't say McCarthy's good. That's a stretch. 642 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 3: Do we know that he's bad though, But we don't 643 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 3: know that he's good either. Okay, it's still TBD Rice Young. 644 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 3: They traded up for him at one. Hey, I don't 645 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 3: know what kind of extension you give him. I think 646 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 3: I called it the fun Max here on the pot 647 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 3: where it's like Baker Mayfield or sam Donold type money. 648 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 3: But Anthony Richardson four, I don't know what is he 649 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 3: even a gonna have a chance to start somewhere next year? 650 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 3: He went fourth overall three years ago, and he's basically 651 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 3: like and he's been benched like four times already. Kenny 652 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 3: Pickett went twentieth to the Steelers. He's bounced around the 653 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 3: league already. Remember the Desmond Ridder experience. 654 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 2: I do in Atlanta. 655 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 4: I'm a raider. Desmond Ridder. 656 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: Is he in the league right now? I don't know. 657 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 4: He was just cut by somebody two weeks ago. 658 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea that you could draft Tua over Herbert 659 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 3: is just absolute batshit insanity. I mean, there's just so 660 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 3: many crazy things. How about this twenty nineteen Kyler Murray, 661 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones went six, Dwayne Haskins who passed away tragically 662 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 3: went fifteenth, Drew Locke second round. I mean, there's just 663 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 3: so many bad quarter people just don't understand. I mean 664 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: it's galling, actually roll, it's very frustrating. As for next week, 665 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 3: on Christmas Week, we'll definitely have a pot on Monday. 666 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 3: After that, I don't know guys, I have no idea. 667 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 3: You know, family holidays. We'll see you still TVD. 668 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 2: But enjoy the Rams Seahawks game tonight. I'm kind of 669 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 2: rooting Rams. 670 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 3: I do think Seattle could be dangerous in the playoffs, 671 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 3: But Sam darnold, you gotta have a big game in 672 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 3: December where nobody's gonna believe in you