WEBVTT - “So I Raped You” 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:05.360 Hey there, folks. It is Tuesday, October the twenty first, 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:10.160 and a man was just sentenced this week for a 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:15.360 sexual assault he committed twelve years ago. And it took 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:20.440 his victim doing her own investigation to get this crime solved. 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.479 And it all came down to him make it a 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.120 confession on Facebook and you know what it said, So 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.400 I raped you with that. Welcome to this episode of 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:32.960 Amy and TJ Roapes. That's getting a lot of headlines 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.320 the fact that he wrote that message, it was on Facebook. 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:40.120 But this is an awful story of a woman having 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:42.000 to solve her own damn rape. 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.919 Well, here's the deal. She knew who. 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:49.680 Her attacker was almost immediately. She did all the right things. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:53.440 She texted for help as it was happening, She had 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.680 her friends come over right after it happened, She went 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.600 to the police, had a rape, and and did everything 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.399 a rape victim is supposed to do to prove her case. 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:11.120 And even after her assailant sent her that message in 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:17.959 twenty nineteen, it still took years before he was actually found, 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:19.400 arrested and held accountable. 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.600 This story is wild. You just went through all those steps. 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.000 It's exactly what they tell women to do. And it's 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.560 also anytime we do have a case, oftentimes that a 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.280 defense will go after the fact, well why does she 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.080 wait so long to report, or why didn't she tell 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.520 anybody immediately? And all of those things. We know, those 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.959 things come up, and this was a case where she 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:44.600 did exactly exactly what everyone would have told a woman 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:48.520 in this position to do, and still it took this long. 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:49.600 I think that's the. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:51.320 Right. 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.800 You applaud her for what she did, but man, it 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:55.080 is sad that she had to do it. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.200 I read through. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.400 I was not aware of this, but there have been 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.800 news out there, specifically the AP, the Associated Press, who 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.560 has been following her story for years now, and they 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.560 actually said it wasn't until they did a profile in 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.920 twenty twenty one interviewing her about these Facebook messages, about 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.760 the fact that she went back sent them back to police, 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:23.160 and it was weeks after they published that article that boil. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.040 All of a sudden an indictment showed up. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:27.040 That's a shame. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:28.360 That is a shame. 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:33.240 So we'll go back. This is twenty thirteen. This young lady. Again, 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.040 she's been out there and been outspoken about this, so 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.120 we can speak on who she is, but her name 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.840 is Shannon Keeler. Would you say she's thirty years old? Now? 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:42.680 Thirty years old? 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.519 Now okay, But she was a freshman at Gettysburg College 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:51.440 in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. Now the incident, she describes that nice. 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.440 She's stuck to this story. But it was a rape 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.119 in twenty thirteen, after she had gone to a park. 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.600 Yes, and this was all verified by multiple witnesses because 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.000 there was a another young woman with her. He who first 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.959 had been i would say, approached by and bothered by 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.680 this man who they described as this creepy. 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.800 Man at this party. Right, they were dancing, but he 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.920 was going a little too far and even grabbed the woman, yeah. 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.200 Groping her heyes, grabbing her breast, grabbing her but all 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:17.440 of that. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:21.040 So she was going to this other woman, Shannon, they 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:22.640 met at the party's kind of like help me get 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.919 away from this guy. What ended up happening was the 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.680 guy who they described as the creepy man, turned his 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:34.320 attention and perhaps affection towards Shannon and actually followed her 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.720 as they were leaving the party. She actually asked a 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.040 male friend to walk her home because she was concerned 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.800 about this guy is following her. And he, according to 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.480 the man who was sort of a friend who was 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.320 walking her home, asked him to leave so that he 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.880 could continue talking with her, and they said go away, leave, 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.240 so he left, but he showed back up once she 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:56.440 got back into her dorm. 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:57.920 He actually knocked on the. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.480 Door, the doorbell when she said she and immediately just 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:07.720 panic at the time. So sexual assault, rape takes place there. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:09.720 Did you read this detail? She said? 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.280 He cried, Yes, afterwards, he cried after he raped her. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.200 To who knows what that possible. That's just an odd 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:22.880 and almost sinister detail to hear. But he eventually leaves, 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:27.279 leaves school even but she gets with her friends. She 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.200 goes back and spends the night with them. But she 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.880 did everything along the way. She told her parents, She 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.440 went to police, she did the rape kit, she documented, 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:42.520 she did everything, but but no arrest was made because 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.640 they were telling her, you hate to say it, alcohol, 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:47.599 alcohol was involved. 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.120 Alcoholm She had been drinking at a party and they 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:52.120 had the rape kit. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:53.800 They actually had the dinny as she said. 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.359 She remembers the nurse saying, we got something, So she 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.160 knows that they actually had physical evidence of well was 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.840 left behind from a rape. I mean it was sperm 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.960 some sort of DNA from the assailant, and she thought, okay, 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.760 I've done that part. But once they then went police, 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:14.880 they said, hey, there was alcoholic. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:15.960 Bolics of this difficult situation. 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:21.680 They reached out this guy reportedly and by email. The 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.640 email he denied it, and so they were kind of like, well, 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:26.559 it's a he said. 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.440 She said, so there's nothing we can do. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.719 That's it's tough to hear those details. Now. We're going 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:33.400 to get more into that story in the second. But 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.919 all of this again, this was in twenty thirteen. She 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:42.119 would send police updates of witnesses and the phone numbers, 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.039 even of friends. Hey this is somebody you could talk to. 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.280 She got pushback, deny, deny, denied every time. Then you go, 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.080 like you said, ropes. I think it was twenty nineteen 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:54.279 the first messages started coming in. She got several Facebook messages. 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:58.480 One of them was from him saying, so I raped you. 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:03.680 She then takes those messages to police. She then does 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:08.279 the profile with the associated Press. Then they take this 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.240 up robes and they say, okay, yes, we're going to 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.800 issue a warrant for his arrest, but where the hell 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:14.039 is he? 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:19.040 They can't find him. Turns out this man his name 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.880 is Ian Cleary. By the way, he is thirty two 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.279 years old. He went on to another college in his 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.040 home state of California, graduated, got his master's degree, worked 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:32.359 for Tesla, and he was overseas for whatever reason. Ultimately, 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.719 and I never figured out, did you see what? He 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.280 was actually arrested for something completely different, something. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.880 That I yes, he's nothing to do with anything. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:47.279 Silent, But because he was arrested in France, his name 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.440 popped up and they were able to find him. In 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:54.480 twenty twenty four, he was finally arrested. So we are 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:58.960 talking eleven years after the rape, so. 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:03.640 They finally get him back. He did plead guilty in July, 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.599 but he was just sentenced this week, sentenced to two 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.920 to four years in jail, two to four years for 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.000 this assault. Again, he's been free for the past twelve 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.280 but now he's going to get two to four years 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.600 in prison. You were kind of I guess it's a 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.960 little head scratching, but they to some I guess it 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.760 might be. But the judge did take into consideration that 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.640 he did apologize and confess to what he. 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.840 Had done, but he denied it four years left her 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.000 twisting in the wind, unbelieved by a lot of people 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:38.239 and probably feeling revictimized for that decade plus by this system, 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.080 by the people who refuse to prosecute. She says. She 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.520 remembers in twenty fifteen there was a two year I 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:49.400 guess window of opportunities charges. She remembers meeting with the 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.040 detective or whoever was in charge of her case, and 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.320 he said, yes, sorry, we're done, and she still didn't 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.240 let it go and was trying to move on when 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.200 the Facebook messages came about here's the thing that actually 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:05.280 really got to do both sides sense and the prosecution 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.440 he was well, he pleaded guilty. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.560 But when that that guilty plea. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:13.640 Was put in this awaiting sentencing, both sides asked for 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:14.600 four to six. 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:20.720 Years, and yet the judge went, law, look, they have 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:25.280 discretion and maybe he saw something in this man. Who knows. 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.640 But the judge said this, and I don't know if 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:29.560 you have a problem, you know what, let me not 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:31.760 set it up that way. This is just what he said. 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.680 The defendant has admitted his guilt, he's come forward and 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.600 even though ten to eleven alarming years have passed in 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.640 the meantime, we wouldn't be here today but for his 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.760 hope for some kind of forgiveness and contrition. 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.559 I think this woman had been through so much because 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.640 of this man. He chose to do what he did, 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.120 he chose to deny it, he chose to leave the country, 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.760 and because his guilt was nagging on him, or supposed 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.120 to applauded him and were supposed to give him some 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.160 sort of leniency for that. Look, I think four to 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.520 six years was the appropriate sentence that both sides agreed upon. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.600 So for the judge to go a full two years 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.160 less than what the defense was even asking to me 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:14.839 is offensive. 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:15.760 It just is. 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.559 And he mentioned, you know, I have daughters and granddaughters, 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.880 and he mentioned the judge. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.040 Yes, he brought that into it, But. 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:29.400 I just can't stand behind that decision woman as a mother, 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.719 I just don't think that because someone admitted something, and yes, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.520 I appreciate that, And four to six years still seems 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:40.120 like not very many years given what he did and 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.360 what he was willing to do to somebody. I mean, 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.720 he thought this out, This wasn't some random thing like 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:51.400 he made choices each step of play. Why should he 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.559 not have to pay for his crime and. 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:58.200 He got eleven three years right that the judge had 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.840 me up. But I am not judgment. It's not my 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.680 job to do. It's this judges thing to do. And 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.079 if I would have just heard two to four like 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:10.040 oh okay and going on. But when he said that 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.559 we wouldn't be here today but for his hope for 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.560 some kind of forgiveness and contrition, that's as if we 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:22.480 are only here today by the good deed of this man. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:28.080 That is offensive to the young lady. It's offensive to 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:32.960 a woman who we are. There were a lot of 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.959 hopes that we could have put on the police charging 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:40.160 the guy listening to her. We're acting as if the 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:44.640 only option for this woman getting justice was this guy 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.760 coming forward. No, that's not right. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.400 I knew who he was. She knew who he was. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.240 The DNA proved who he was. 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.120 I know, you got to prove a case, but that 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.679 one things for the victim to say, we're only here 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:02.319 because he was a good enough guy. Damn that sting. 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.200 It really does, and it takes away any responsibility that 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.760 the prosecution has. And look, a lot of folks now 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.920 are looking at this case and even looking back, I 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.319 understand from the outside looking in. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.480 I don't know what it's like internally to be in. 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.080 A DA's office figure out what to prosecute, what not 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.440 to prosecute. But I understand generally that rape is among 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.680 and sexual assault is among the hardest or among the 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.400 hardest cases to prove period. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:31.200 I get that. But this system let this young woman down. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:37.960 She had eyewitnesses, she had DNA, she had so many 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:42.480 things that they wouldn't even consider charges against this slan. 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:45.240 She did the work. I mean she did her own 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.600 I mean she handed it to him. Here, guys, here 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.240 is are you witnesses, let's knocket out. Look, I'm not 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.080 I don't want to take on the challenge or take 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:58.120 on what prosecutors and a police have to do. That 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.439 that's a hell of a job. And I you don't 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.000 have unlimited resources and people in the office. You can't 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.160 do every case. It's just one of these things. How 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.240 does this slip through the cracks? 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.200 Well, this is why only one in five, and I 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.440 think that is a low number of women who are 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:18.040 sexually assaulted, specifically on college campus, has come forward because 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.600 they understand this is what happens. 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.640 She talked about how people a detective even said. 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.280 To her, You're a pretty girl, you have your life 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:29.199 in front of you, and it's just so offensive that 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:31.160 even if they are believed and I'm not saying no 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.440 one didn't believe her, it was just they were thinking 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:35.840 it was probably. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.520 Hard to be And I don't know is that that 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:39.960 where we are. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.160 There are challenges. They have to put their resources here 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.320 or there, They're limited. I don't know. It seems like 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.439 this would be a priority, but again we're on the outside. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.480 We don't know what they have to do. But folks, 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.400 we told you about the one message that's getting the 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.920 headline that he sent her on Facebook that said, so 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:58.200 I rape you, but there were several more. Stay here, 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.640 we'll tell you what those other message, as you said, 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:04.080 and also we are going to let you hear what 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:05.560 the victim in this case. 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:05.800 Ms. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:11.520 Keeler said herself about why we even got today. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:26.160 We continue our conversation today about this unbelievable case. Although 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.360 it is all too common, unfortunately, this one does at 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.960 least have an ending where there is some justice, but 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:37.400 perhaps not enough, and it certainly came a decade beyond 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.800 when it should have at this point, but thirty two 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.920 year old Ian clearly sentenced this week to two to 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:48.840 four years in prison for sexually assaulting then college freshman. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:50.520 Her name was Shannon Keeler. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.560 She is now thirty years old, and she has spent 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.760 the better part of a decade trying to prove what 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.280 happened to her in fact happened to her. And it 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:03.839 took him actually reaching out via Facebook admitting it, and 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.960 even after that admission, it still took another four to 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.800 five years for him to actually have his day in court, 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:15.000 and her day in court, perhaps even more importantly, not happened. 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:19.040 This week talked about one of the messages sent her, 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.440 so I raped you, But that wasn't the only thing 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.520 that Ian clearly wrote to her. 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:28.440 Did I see right? That she hadn't checked her Facebook 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.000 messages and he had sent these over the course of 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.120 a couple of years, but she got them all at 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:34.000 one time to see that, right? 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.040 Yes, that's the way I understood it too. She was 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.520 on vacation with boyfriend. You know you never check your dms. 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.600 I actually probably do it. I know you've I don't 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:46.000 think you've ever checked your dams. I probably only checked 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.920 mine maybe once every couple of months. 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.120 She's doing it every couple of years. I get that 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:51.440 it's a lot to keep up with. 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.320 Yes, so she sees several of these messages. Another said 0:14:55.720 --> 0:15:00.520 I'll never do it to anyone ever again. That's that's 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.760 a hell of a confession, is it not. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.960 He's basically wanting to admit to her because he's I mean, 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:08.920 I can only get inside his head imagining the only 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.200 reason why you would do this is relieve yourself of 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.640 some sort of guilt you're feeling. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.560 For getting away with it, so to speak. But you're 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:17.560 also trying to. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.360 Get her not to pursue charges or not to use 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:26.000 this against you by telling her, please, please, I won't 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.120 do it again, like, don't turn me in, but I 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:29.760 won't do it again. But I want you to know 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.880 that I'm acknowledging it and I'm sorry for it. 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.240 But does he think that's going to go by putting 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.680 it in a Facebook message? I mean, how do you 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:37.560 think this is going to go? 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.560 He's gotten away with it for so long. 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.840 He's writing confession you know what? He sent them to her, 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.680 and he didn't hear back from her for years. Maybe 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.640 he forgot about it. I'll be damn another message. I 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.000 need to hear your voice. I don't know what that 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.800 was about, but that's another one she got. And then 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:58.040 another one on Facebook from the guy who raped her 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.920 when she was a freshman in college, saying I'll pray 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.840 for you. And that was a series of messages they 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.960 were able to then trace back to him. They confirmed 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.920 or at least went forward with charges. Still they had 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.280 to track him down. Finally got back here charged this 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.400 week after twelve years essentially, but. 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.400 The point being crazy enough when she sends and gives 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.000 the police these Facebook messages, they went through the whole thing. Well, 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.640 we'd have to track down the IP address and doesn't 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:28.440 even look like he lives in the country anymore. 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:29.960 I mean they were dragging their feet. 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:34.200 They were almost like, ugh, paperwork, haven't you put this 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.480 to bed already? And really, truly, it wasn't until Ap 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.720 published story that things actually started to forward. 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:47.520 How many folks maybe listening, maybe gone through that or 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.640 know somebody who had the same experience of trying to 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.920 get somebody or maybe somebody in law enforcement to believe 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.840 them to listen to what they're saying. That's tough, but 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.960 a story like this, did you go full wow. I 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.920 know this is one police department. 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:08.840 But right it makes me feel so. I mean, look, 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:10.320 you have daughters. 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.680 I think about Annalise, who's nineteen years old, and that's 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:16.359 about the age of this young woman. She might have 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.399 even been younger, a freshman first semester, she was probably 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:20.159 eighteen years. 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:21.000 Old, you know. 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.600 And I just think about, like she described who she 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:28.040 was before that date in December, this excited, happy, go 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:29.959 lucky cross player she was. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:32.720 She had her whole life in front of her and 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:33.600 she still does. 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.479 But what she thought of the world, how the world 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.080 was all robbed taken from her in that moment, at 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.480 that horrific hour, and the fact that no one stood 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:47.120 up for, no one vended her, no one looked out 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.000 for other women could have come into oh. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:50.520 Yeah, decade. 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.960 I think about the fact that, Okay, as far as 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.480 we know, no one else has come forward. But the 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.919 fact that he actually went after two different women that 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.920 same night because her friend has spoken out about her 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:03.800 experiences grabbing her. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:05.320 He assaulted to him that night. 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:06.320 It's hard to. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:10.280 Imagine, and perhaps maybe the guilt of doing it made 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.560 him stop, But it's hard to imagine that he just 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:17.520 suddenly became this kind person who stopped assaulting women. 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:22.200 I don't know, but we don't know what he twelve years. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.199 It really hasn't been explained at all to anybody, and 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.400 I don't even know. I couldn't even find out why 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.359 he had been arrested in France in the first place. 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:35.879 And while the arrest did come, as we say, a 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:41.000 robe so late. When it did happen, Shannon Keeler had 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.000 a quote here that kind of sums it all up. 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.560 At the time, She said, while I am moved to 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:51.760 tears by this result, which I have waited for over 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.800 seven years at the time for I am mindful that 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:59.439 this moment came because I went public with my story, 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.399 which no survivor should have to do in order to 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:07.320 obtain justice period that I mean, T shirts should be 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.960 printed with that on it. That is it. Nobody should 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.480 have to do this, just get justice. 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:15.320 And maybe the other thing I wanted to point out 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.480 because this is also agreedious to me when I was 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.080 the whole story behind this, or young woman who I 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:25.120 have to applaud, What an amazing person to ever give 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.640 up to keep fighting because it's exhausting, I can say, 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:29.200 I want. 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:30.800 To go away, I want to boast to bed. It 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.520 is what it is. I'm dumb thinking she pursued it. 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.920 But when she found out after she get gets these messages, 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.840 goes to police and says, hey, look he's admitting it. 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:42.720 Like imagine the validation and. 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.480 Vindication you would feel in that moment, and then to 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.760 find out that they not only destroyed. 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:52.760 Her rape kit, but she was told it was ever tested. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.719 So here she is thinking full time, she's got this 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.439 in a proof that at the very least there was 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:02.320 sexual intercourse. I mean, you can't prove necessarily with just 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.000 the DNA evidence, but at least you can prove that 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.600 sexual and it's sexual encounter happened. Say it was against 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:13.320 your Well, she believes that it was never that. She's 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.359 just saying, that's how little I was regarded. That's how 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.680 that's what little importance my story was to them. 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:21.480 My experience was law enforce. 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.640 That is a sad, sad statement to any woman out 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:25.960 there who feels like they can. 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:30.919 Turn police when they're assaulted or justice. 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.760 It is a tough story. You applaud what she did, 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:35.479 but your heart breaks that she had to do it. 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.040 This is great that she's getting justice. She should not 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.840 have gone through this, and this story does nothing, in 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.359 my opinion, to help other women come forward. 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:46.080 No it doesn't. 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:49.080 This is and the judge giving him two years less 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.840 than the defense was even asking for because he was 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.160 such a good guy for admitting he raped a woman. 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:56.840 I have a major problem with that as well. It 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.640 was I just feel like this woman just I'm so 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.719