1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. We 2 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: are back with the wonderful Sean Johnson and Andrew East 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: to dig into the lessons they chose to write down 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: for all of us in their brand new book, The 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: Courage to Commit, Embracing the radical power of sticking with something. 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you guys about life all day, 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: but I also very specifically want to do a little 8 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: extra chat just about the book, because it's so great 9 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: and I'm so happy Courage to Commit is out in 10 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 1: the world for people. You know, you are taking all 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: of your lessons, all of the things that you have 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: figured out about how to be married, how to be leaders, 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: how to go through these transitions in life, and offering 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: them to people with delight and with humor, which you 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: crush online. Thank you for being one of my sources 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: of joy on the internet. But I'm curious why you 17 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: felt like now was the moment to write it. 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: I think the best things in life are the most intimidating, 19 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: the most beyond us, the most requiring of struggle. You know. 20 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: It's like raising kids is not easy, nor is committing 21 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: to your career when it's not going well. You know, 22 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 2: or or like the really or staying in the relationship 23 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: when it's like, man, we've had it felt like eight 24 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: weeks of just stone cold, like we are not on 25 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: the same page. Yeah, and it's like okay, you know, 26 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: not everything is worth committing to and not like there's 27 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: healthy commitment and unhealthy commitment. And I think like the 28 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: differentiator there is kind of like this, uh, I don't 29 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: know this concept of growth. So for me, you know, 30 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: like football career, it was time for me to move 31 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: on because I was experiencing so much growth and interest 32 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: and other errors in my life. And I was a 33 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: long snapper in the NFL, which meant I was you know, 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: standing on the sidelines most of the time, and the 35 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: playbook didn't vary that much. And so I was like, Okay, 36 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: I think I've done this thing. I accomplished my goals, 37 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: I got my seasons in the NFL, and and so 38 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: it's like but just because it's beyond us or you 39 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: don't feel ready for it, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. 40 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: You know, like like with parenting, you're like, dang, this 41 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: is intimidating and terrifying. And that goes hand in hand 42 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: with all of the incredible joys and that's just what 43 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: we felt like all of life has been. 44 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: You know. 45 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: It's like the best parts of life are that mixture 46 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: of struggle and joy, and so it's like it takes 47 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: a bit of courage to step into you know what, 48 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 2: my life isn't as organized as I thought it as 49 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: I think it should be. To have kids, or I 50 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: don't have the career that I have that I felt 51 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: like I needed to to, like, you know, feel like 52 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: I was ready to be married. But there's like this 53 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: this courage that you need to step into that and realize, 54 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: you know, the still part of the process. 55 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: There's so much noise in the world right now that 56 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 3: I feel like so many people and there's statistics to 57 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: back this, are feeling very lost because with so many 58 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 3: options and so many opinions and so many people showing 59 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: their way of life, I think a lot of times 60 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: we get very confused as to what is my way 61 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: and what's best for myself, And with so much noise 62 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: and so much anxiety in the world, even with us, 63 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 3: we found ourselves ten years ago at a coffee shop 64 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: writing on a piece of paper with pen for five hours, 65 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: what do we want our life to look like because 66 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: we are leading a beautiful life that everybody would say 67 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: is successful and bringing. So we don't feel I don't 68 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: want to fulfilled, purposeful, like we're doing what we should be. 69 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: And so we went on this huge search for the 70 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: past ten years. We hired the greatest mentors. We did 71 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: all these intensives. We've met some of the whitsiest people 72 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 3: who have systems and ways to figure out what matters 73 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: to you and how to embrace it and how to 74 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 3: protect it and organize it and find true fulfillment in 75 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: your life that suits you. And we wake up every 76 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: day pinching ourselves saying, how do we get to live 77 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: this life? And we do everything in our power to 78 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: protect it. And so we write in our book everything 79 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: we've learned from the most brilliant people of how to 80 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: quiet the noise and find something that makes you feel purposeful. 81 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: And I feel like there's so much like decision fatigue 82 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 3: and exhaustion with the grass is greener and this is 83 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 3: how you hack your way there. And at the end 84 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: of the day, it means sticking with something that you 85 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: love and protecting it. But it was just our way 86 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 3: of saying we reached the epitome of success and got 87 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 3: lost along the way and found our way back and yeah, 88 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: how we did it? 89 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, kind of the roadmap if you will. Yeah, 90 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: I want to talk about this concept of a day 91 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: of delight for our friends at home. It's in chapter two, 92 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: so you'll get to it quickly. You're welcome, but talk 93 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: to us a little bit about that, like where it, 94 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: where it came from, and also what you think changed 95 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: in your relationship once you implemented it, because I know 96 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: that that coming so quickly in the book is because 97 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's so important for people to get as 98 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: fast as possible. 99 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 3: It was something that we had a mentor teach us. 100 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: We did this three day intensive with a man who 101 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: was an absolute genius. We're very nerdy this way. We 102 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 3: like to like always self reflect and optimo. Yeah. 103 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm also like I can't wait to get the full 104 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: list of all of these intensive which is after this podcast. 105 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: Thank you. 106 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: But I remember he said one of these exercises was 107 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: to go through the week and draw out our absolute 108 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: perfect week where we're balancing life with work, with obligations, 109 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: with things that really fill our cup. And he said, 110 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: try very hard to have a day every week where 111 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: you are only doing things that fill your cup. The 112 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: world constantly wants to pressure you to just keep grinding, 113 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 3: and everything on Instagram is going to tell you don't 114 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: take a break because you're not going to reach the 115 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: top of the mountain. And I think that's a lie. 116 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: I think if you can take at least to day 117 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 3: a week two we literally did this. We wrote out 118 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 3: a long laundry list of all the things that we love. 119 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 3: Mine was like a campfire. I like makingsmores, like jumping 120 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 3: on a trampoline or going for a while. Like I 121 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 3: wrote out the strangest, funniest, cutest things that are very childlike, 122 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: and so did he and so did our children and 123 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 3: so On the weekends, because we have school and stuff, 124 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 3: we will take one day and that's all. We'll do, 125 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: no work. We try not to be on our phones. 126 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: We tried to truly just fill our cups because, like 127 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: we talked about with the athletics, if you lose the 128 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: joy of life, why are we doing this in the beginning, 129 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: Like why are we doing this at all? Yeah, we 130 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: deserve to have joy in our beautiful world, and I 131 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: think a lot of people forget that. 132 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: It was also like harder than I thought it would 133 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: be to with the list of the things that we 134 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: most enjoyed doing. It's like so simple. It's like, hey, 135 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: I want to just sit and listen to music, or 136 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: let me just play guitar, or let me like starting 137 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: a fight. It's nothing crazy. It's not like let's go 138 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: to dubai or what. It's like. No, it's the things 139 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: that I most enjoyed doing are playing catch. It's like, wow, 140 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: that is so simple, and yet it's so simple that 141 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: I never do it. You know what I'm saying. It's 142 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: like I know that it's always there. I know that 143 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: it's like it's in the grave and I'll never do it. 144 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, an's my question, like how it changed our life, 145 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: but to be not to be dramatic, but it truly did. 146 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: Is like it has become one of our most protected things. 147 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: It makes it so much easier to get opportunities cent 148 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: our way and be like, oh, sorry, that falls on 149 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: our day of delight. So it's like, no, we protect 150 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: that now at all costs. That's our kids favorite day 151 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: of the week. It's it's something that truly fills us 152 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: back up and gets us ready for the next day. 153 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: And it gives us something to look forward to. Yeah 154 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: it's Tuesday, our day, the light and then yeah. 155 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and something that's actually within your reach to your point, 156 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: like I do think all of us fall prey to 157 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: that pressure. And and you said it the simplest things 158 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: that actually fill our cup or the things we don't 159 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: do because they're just right there. But if you can, 160 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: if you can personify it, you make it the day, 161 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: you make it a non negotiable. You're doing all these 162 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: things that are so simple, but they're completely like they're 163 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: reordering your insides almost like it's putting so much more 164 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: in the happiness column in you than you've perhaps been 165 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: doing for a while because you're on the grind. And 166 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: I think it's a really interesting way to give yourself 167 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: a healthy counterbalance to the other positive aspects of what 168 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: you're chasing, what your dreams are. You know, you both 169 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: talk a lot about, especially through sport learning, what mastery 170 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: is and how it requires a lifetime of consistency. And 171 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: so if you're going to be consistent for your goals, 172 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: you should also be consistent for your happiness, Like happiness 173 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: should be on the goal list. 174 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, can I close the loop on something I've 175 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: been thinking about ever since you said it. It's just 176 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: the other yeah, you said you're curious about why is that? That? 177 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 2: Is it the packaging or the like the news feature 178 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: of yeah, you know, an Olympic gold medal or a 179 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: successful acting career. I also think part of it is, 180 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 2: you know, like I think excellent should be uh celebrated 181 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: and rewarded and give a notoriety. You know, like to 182 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: do what you have done is incredible, and to do 183 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: what Sean has done, it's like it's amazing and like 184 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: one a fun thing to see humans do these incredible things, 185 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: So like please yes. But it's also like there's opportunity 186 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: costs and everything everything has a cost to it, and 187 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: so to make it to the level you did, you 188 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: had to get pay the cost of moving cities, pay 189 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 2: the cost of hanging out with your old friends, pay 190 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: the cost of doing all these other things. And it's 191 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: like there's always costs, and it's like I think what 192 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 2: I realized recently is, you know, people talk about compounding 193 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: and finances all the time, and it's like, sweet, you know, 194 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: forty years from now, this is what this could look like. Here, 195 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: you know, a pinny a day YadA YadA, And it's 196 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: like that applies to every other of life too. So 197 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: it's like if you want, I think that that deep 198 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: feeling that you might not necessarily get with achieving your 199 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: NFL dream of like oh man, okay, I made it, 200 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 2: but it still doesn't feel like I thought. I'm still 201 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 2: just like waking up in my bed. Like you said, 202 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: that can either compound if you're chasing the success, or 203 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: you could like do these little deposits weekly, like doing 204 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: a day of delight of like you know what. I 205 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: know that I know that playing golf might put my 206 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: NFL career at risk because I'm I'm like, you know, 207 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 2: potentially hurting my back and maybe that's not good. But 208 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: I really love it, and I think that I can 209 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: do football longer if I still do these little daily 210 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: deposits of like choice. Yeah, and so I was just 211 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: thinking about, like the opportunity costs is part of what 212 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 2: makes it feel so unglamorous when you're the person being glamorized. 213 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: So totally, we'll be back in just a minute. But 214 00:11:55,640 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: here's a word from our sponsors. I'm a big fan 215 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: of humility. I don't like, I don't love any sort 216 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: of elitist structure. Like I'm not usually the person on 217 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: my set who's going to try to like befriend the producer. 218 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: I'm like over in the corner talking to the camera 219 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: guys about what lenses they're using. I'm not interested in 220 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: the game in that way. But I do think there's 221 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: kind of a conundrum of when you've made it, you're 222 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: not supposed to talk about the opportunity cost because then 223 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: you're not humble, you're not grateful. You know, then you're 224 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: you're just being a dick. And it's like, well, no, 225 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: I want to be a human and this is my 226 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: human condition. And you know, when I speak to young 227 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: people who want to do what I do for work, 228 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: don't I don't lie to them. I'm like, hey, you 229 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: got to be prepared to not see your family. You 230 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: got to be prepared to miss every wedding and every 231 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: baby born. And you know, you're probably like, if you're 232 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: working on a show, you are not going to see 233 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: your family, and can you figure out how to structure 234 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: your life around that? Will you be the person who 235 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: you know is willing to do what we all used 236 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: to do, Like in our in our industry, they call 237 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: the overnights you get to by the end of the 238 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: week of Friturday because you start working on Friday, but 239 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: you work until midday Saturday. And like we kind of 240 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: got our Friturdays to where we'd wrap by like five 241 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: am on Saturday morning, and I'd have a bag packed 242 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: and be on a six twenty flight to LA Like 243 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: I'd go straight from set to the airport, just so 244 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: I could go home and like make someone's birthday or 245 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: have dinner with my parents, and then Sunday morning, I'd 246 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: be on a six am flight back to North Carolina. 247 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: And it was really hard, and like, I spent years 248 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: not sleeping and now I'm such Oh, I'm so regimented 249 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: about my sleep. It was the only way I could 250 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: navigate the opportunity cost. 251 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and. 252 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: I am incredibly grateful and I'm not gonna lie that 253 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: it was hard. Yeah, And I think we have to 254 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: get to a point where we're okay allowing people to 255 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: talk about the full spectrum of experience at whatever level 256 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: of success or whatever stage of life they're at. It's 257 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: no different than a mom saying like, Hey, I'm having 258 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: a really hard time right now with my two toddlers, 259 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: and people are like, but aren't you so happy, and 260 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, yeah, duh, they're amazing. And also this 261 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: is hard and we have to allow I think for 262 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: all of that and. 263 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: Our antidote to that, like always, I don't know that 264 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: the more and more and more that your career could 265 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: ask for, your kids ask for just like just little 266 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: delight every now. 267 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and we speak so much that this is 268 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 3: like the whole trajectory of the book is like exactly 269 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: what you just said. We live in a world of 270 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 3: instant gratification where people just keep preaching do what makes 271 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: you happy right now, that's what you deserve. And it's like, 272 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: if you can't take a pause and look at the 273 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: big picture of where you actually want to go and 274 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: learn how to have boredom and learn how to work 275 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: through obstacles and learn how to stick with it when 276 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 3: it gets tough and you're sacrificing, then you actually will 277 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 3: never get to that long term goal that you want ever, 278 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 3: because instant gratification is not the way, and the opportunity 279 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: cost is like it's part of it, and our world 280 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: doesn't like to acknowledge that anymore. And you can't find 281 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 3: true beauty if you don't actually work hard for something. 282 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 3: I mean, yes, it's good. 283 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really it's really important to be 284 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: able to zoom out and think about it in that 285 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: way because time time is moving fast no matter what. 286 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 287 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: Do you think that that's the sort of practice that 288 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: you talk about in chapter nine? You talk about the unknown, 289 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: about how this this sort of momentum that you can 290 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: work to create is what gives you clarity. Do you 291 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: think that that zoom out and choice to analyze what 292 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: kind of life you want to live is what feeds 293 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: clarity for you both? 294 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the unknown it's I think of this 295 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: movie scene from Indiana Jones. I don't know if you've 296 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: seen that, Sophia. Yeah, It's like he's on this mission 297 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: and he knows where he wants to go, but he 298 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: hits this point where there's like this chasm and he's 299 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: on one side of this cliff and he's trying to 300 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: get it to the other side, and he's been told 301 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: that there's this invisible bridge that he has to step 302 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: onto to get to the other shot. And it's like, Okay, 303 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: that's like kind of this idea of unknown of Okay, 304 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: I've been told as an athlete that I might have 305 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: what it takes to make level if I do X, 306 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 2: Y and Z, And it's like you're stepping into this 307 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 2: this area where you're like, I'm trusting you know, I am. 308 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I've never experienced this. Uh you know, 309 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: I've been maybe told by mentors that this is kind 310 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: of how it goes. But when you're the one in it, 311 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: like you don't you don't know, and it's daunting and 312 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: it's it's terrifying, and it's like you have to step 313 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 2: onto that invisible bridge and you know, there's there's certain 314 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: things that you could do to to build assurance in that. 315 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, clarity is a it can be a slippery 316 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 2: thing that I think it's almost like a it's something 317 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: that can grow and you could start to see kind 318 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 2: of the positive feedback of like, Okay, yeah, I didn't 319 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: understand this at the start, but now that I'm in 320 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: it for a little bit, like I'm starting to slowly 321 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: build clarity. But very rarely in my life, you know, 322 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: have I had one hundred percent Oh yeah, this is 323 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: exactly where I should go. Like people talk about whatever 324 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: hearing God speak to them, and I'm like, I've never 325 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 2: had that moment it would be so great, but like 326 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: it's mostly been a slow process of building clarity in 327 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 2: my experience. 328 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's the thing. I actually think 329 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: it's such an important process and can also be quite 330 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: spiritual to realize, Oh, I am the captain of my ship. 331 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: I have to do this. No one else is going 332 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: to tell me how to do it, you know. I 333 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: think about it like we were saying the world is 334 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: really heavy today, and I think a lot of people go, well, 335 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: who's going to fix it? And I'm like, heye, to 336 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: break it to y'all, we are officially the adults in 337 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: the room, like, we have to fix it. We have 338 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: to steer the ship, you know. And I think I 339 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: think that's exciting. I think it's scary. And I think 340 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: you've touched on something a few times that feels sort 341 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: of like the north Star, which is mentorship, because I 342 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: think there are necessities for big moments in life where 343 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: you can look to someone for guidance, and where that person, 344 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: in that sort of intergenerational exchange, can also look to 345 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: us for a little bit of hope. Like we're not 346 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: quite as jaded, you know, I'm more tired than I 347 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: was in my twenties. But I am not as tired 348 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: as my parents. Yeah, and you know, I can inspire 349 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: them to like keep it going, and they can give 350 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: me advice, so I don't. It doesn't take me six 351 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: mistakes to get to where I'm going, hopefully, it only 352 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: takes like three or four. And I'm curious how the 353 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: two of you, especially so young, you know, in your 354 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: lives and in your marriage, started seeking mentorships so intentionally. 355 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 3: Because you mentioned this earlier. We found ourselves surrounded in 356 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 3: gymnastics at a very young age, and then in the NFL, 357 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 3: and then early on in our marriage, we found ourselves 358 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: surrounded by people who are going through really, really really 359 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 3: hard things in life, divorces, loss of career, people who 360 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 3: were at, you know, the highest level of success, who 361 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: were so depressed. We witnessed a lot of heartbreak and 362 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 3: a lot of people in very low valleys, and we 363 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: went through some of them ourselves, and we had just decided, 364 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: I think, coming from athletics, we love coaches. I love 365 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 3: someone to say this is your way. So we decided 366 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: very early on to work with therapists and to go 367 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 3: find people who were so wise in all of their fields, 368 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 3: so we could learn from them to hopefully equip ourselves 369 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 3: with the tools to be able to traverse these hardships 370 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 3: if we were to ever, you know, find ourselves experiencing them. 371 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: And yeah, we yeah, it was just kind of trying 372 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: to prepare ourselves as much as possible. 373 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really cool. We'll be back in just a 374 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: minute after a few words from our favorite sponsors. Guys, 375 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: the book is just so good. Courage to Commit is 376 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: in bookstores now. It's wise, it's thoughtful. I really appreciate 377 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: that you two decided to do this in this moment. 378 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: I think it's filled with exactly the kinds of hope 379 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: and practical strategies that people need. So very well done 380 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: to you both. I'm curious for each of you. You know, 381 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: you have found what seems like a really good rhythm 382 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: in your lives as individuals, as a couple. You are 383 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: authentic and you are funny online, which is not always 384 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: easy in a world you know that that does feel 385 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: so consumed these days, but it seems like you're in 386 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: a good stride and so with the book out and 387 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: the baby's doing well and like life feeling solid, I'm 388 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: curious as you look forward. What still feels like your 389 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: work in progress. 390 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 3: It's funny you say that, because I feel like we 391 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 3: have had we've. 392 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: To be very. 393 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 3: Vulnerable, and honest we. 394 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 2: Have not felt that. 395 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 3: So we have felt like with the book. I think 396 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 3: it's one of the most vulnerable things we've done in 397 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: our career. I think we are getting a taste of 398 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 3: our own medicine of everything we're preaching, which is this 399 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,239 Speaker 3: taken us almost four years to do. And because we 400 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: live in such an instant gratification world and we are 401 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 3: on the GRAM and we get instant gratification or not 402 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 3: from like a post, we have felt more nervousness around 403 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 3: the book launch than anything we've done, and so it's 404 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 3: been kind of nerve wracking in the past couple of 405 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 3: weeks and talking about it and kind of putting into 406 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 3: the world everything that we've been working on. So I 407 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 3: would say what still feels like a work in progress 408 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 3: is very much this. We have been working really hard 409 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 3: to this moment, so it's been exciting, but has felt 410 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: very vulnerable the past couple of weeks. 411 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and honestly, you've done a great job at kind 412 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: of identifying the paradox that is this topic of commitment 413 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 2: where it's like yeah, yeah, like we're out here preaching 414 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: stick to it, but like not to everything, and like 415 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: you kin alluded to it in different words earlier, but 416 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: we talk about pruning things like you know, you need 417 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 2: to rid yourself of certain things in life to make 418 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: room for other things, and so thus you're naturally not 419 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: sticking to things and so there, you know, there's a 420 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: couple of different paradoxes where you're like, shoot, how are 421 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: we going to work through this? And I think we did. Uh. 422 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: I'm really happy with how the book turned out, and 423 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 2: we like navigated some of those paradoxes to give people 424 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: practical tips. But for me, I would say my work 425 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 2: in progress. You said we've been married ten years, and 426 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: I guess I kind of assumed Sophia. They're like like, 427 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I know Sean so deeply, like we 428 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: got it, We're in stride. We can coast now, And 429 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 2: I just am realizing what a what a treat it 430 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 2: is to like actually never really coast, Like that's just 431 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: not part of a marriage. I don't think or our relationship. 432 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: And it's like, I'm it's it's really fun. And also 433 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: I I didn't expect that. 434 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 3: You know, of figured it out. 435 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, we still I still have things where I'm like, 436 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: I feel like at thirty four, I should have resolved 437 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: this inability to schedule anything, like I don't know what 438 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 2: the deal is or like maybe some day Dad, or 439 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: why do I still annoy Sean? So I got a 440 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: lot of works in progress. 441 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: So for you, Yeah, I think if I may, you know, 442 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: because I've got almost a decade on you, what I've learned, 443 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: especially when I talk about like you know, wild times 444 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: a few years ago, people who really think, oh I 445 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: can coast, I'll deal with this later, like this is 446 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: the core and it's set, and so I'll go deal 447 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: with everything else and we'll make time for this later. 448 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: All of those people, people who get divorced, like you 449 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: cannot emotionally, physically, verbally abandon your person or like get 450 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: lazy with them. Like in the same way that you 451 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: you dedicate your day of delight and you don't let 452 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: other things mess with it. You have to you have 453 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: to want to dedicate with your person. And I what 454 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: I've learned with you know, people who've finally gotten it right, 455 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: I'd like to think that's me. People who've been getting 456 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: it right for a long time, like the two of you, 457 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: like you better date forever, Like that's your wife, but 458 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: that's your girlfriend, you know, because people who get lazy 459 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: with a spouse. I'm like, best of love to you. 460 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: I'll be here when she calls her and tells me 461 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: she's out, and so like, I'm glad to hear you 462 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: say that that. You're like, oh, I thought it might 463 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: get I thought we might not have to work on this. 464 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: But the work, like the work is the delight. Like 465 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: you two can play catch together forever and that's incredible, 466 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 1: but you have to you have to remember that you 467 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: have to make time for it. 468 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. People talk about the love languages and it's like, 469 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 2: all right, quality time, let's just say that's your love language. 470 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 2: I mean, at ten years in, we've Sean and I've 471 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: had a lot of quality time together, and I kind 472 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: of thought there would be like a container of all right, 473 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 2: we get we did we I. 474 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 3: Gave you the quality to the rest of my guess what, 475 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 3: every year the container starts over. 476 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: You are currently doing twenty twenty six quality time. 477 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, it's like every week almost, and it's like, no, 478 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: it's really good. It's like this said, and this is 479 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 2: what you want like that? Yeah, otherwise I don't know 480 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: it'd be it'd be uh boring in some way. Yeah. 481 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 3: Well, and we talk a lot about you mentioned it rhythms. 482 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 3: We try to implement kind of unmoved rhythms that protect 483 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 3: each category of our life. So even with like our marriage, 484 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,239 Speaker 3: every Sunday we will sit down and talk about how 485 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 3: the week felt. And that can feel like overkilled to 486 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 3: some people, but it's like what bucket felt empty to you? 487 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 3: What bucket was overflowing with so much goodness? And how 488 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 3: can I kind of tweak something next week to make 489 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 3: you feel more loved? And yeah, every week is different. 490 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 2: So yeah, we've got a good team situation going on. 491 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 2: For the record, I do mostly agree with you that, 492 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: you know, if the moms were in charge, everything will 493 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: be figured out. 494 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: But hey, good dads are welcome to they are like 495 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: you know, I think we can all agree. Statistically, the 496 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: men haven't been doing great with all the leadership seats, 497 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: but there are some of you who are excellent who 498 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: I would like to recruit to our team. I think 499 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: the team they're getting, you know, it's two against one 500 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: at the moment, and the two of us say, Andrew's invited, Yeah, 501 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: the invite. You're doing great. You get to you get 502 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: to come to you get to come to the matriarchy team. 503 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: You're doing great. 504 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: Yea turning today, Sophia, thank you for this has been. 505 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: So fun you guys, congrats on the book. 506 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 3: Thank you. 507 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. I hope we all find 508 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: ourselves in the same city soon. 509 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 3: Please, we would love that. 510 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: We'll send you that list of coaches, will you please? 511 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: Okay, thanks you too. Congratulations. I'll talk to you soon.