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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Saren. It's Elizabeth, Hello, Elizabeth Dutton, It's Saren.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm really good.

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Speaker 3: If you look happy, thank you?

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Speaker 2: So do you listen? Career, you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Yes, lean in, I got one. Okay, okay. George Steinbrenner,

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Speaker 3: the owner of the ridiculous right New York Yankees owner.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: When he first bought the team, he had to endure

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Speaker 3: one of the strangest sports conferences of all time. And

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Speaker 3: it doesn't involve him or Billy Martin. Oh Billy, yeah, right.

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Speaker 3: So George Steinbrand buys the team. At the time, the

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Speaker 3: Yankee manager was the dude Ralph howk Right. He comes

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Speaker 3: into Ralph. He's like, look, I want the players who

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Speaker 3: have got long hair to cut it because the Yankees

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Speaker 3: clean cut look right. It's why Don Mattingly had to

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Speaker 3: shave his mustache. Anyway, Steinbrener's like, yeah, all of these

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Speaker 3: guys look clean and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: The manager's laughing because he's like, you have no idea

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Speaker 3: what's going on in your team? Bro? Because and I

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Speaker 3: thought this was wild. In nineteen seventy three, in March,

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Speaker 3: two Yankees, Frisbee and this dude, Mike Kekech They called

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Speaker 3: a press conference and they told the world that they

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Speaker 3: were swapping wives and families. He said, it just happened.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't playing. Peterson said. During the summer, the two

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Speaker 3: teammates they talked about, like you know, trading wise, right,

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Speaker 3: So they did it for a week and they then decided, okay,

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Speaker 3: the summer. It was fun, right, and then eventually one

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Speaker 3: of them was like, I got I gotta go back, right.

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Speaker 3: He's like, he said, quote I told Marylynd, I just

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Speaker 3: have to have Susan, And Maryland said she was in

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Speaker 3: love with Mike. So they decided that the children should

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Speaker 3: stay with the mothers and then they you know and

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Speaker 3: stay in their own homes. And then the two left

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Speaker 3: hand pitchers switched and partners, right, and they said, quote,

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Speaker 3: there are degrees of love involved. We tried something with

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Speaker 3: a common understanding. It was completely a four way thing, right.

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Speaker 3: So the two decided they now need to let the

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Speaker 2: That's my like, so that means I actually know someone

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Speaker 2: who does this. His family was part of that, like

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Speaker 2: where the parents just all.

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Speaker 3: Sweat, will swap it out.

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Speaker 2: And then they went forward from there, but like to

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Speaker 3: Well they wanted this was the seventies one, so they

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Speaker 3: told their GM Lee mcfail. Then they told manager Ralph

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Speaker 3: Holk and they're like, hey, we gotta like let the

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Speaker 3: world know, right. So they go out and now after

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Speaker 3: the press conference or manager Ralph Hoak, he's like, ask

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Speaker 3: why of the reporters, what the hell's going on your team?

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Speaker 3: It's surprisingly, dude's chill. He's like, quote, they live their

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Speaker 3: own lives and they got a lot of years to live.

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Speaker 3: If you're not happy, you only go through the world

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Speaker 3: one time, and why go through it unhappy. Some people say,

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Speaker 3: you have to stay together for the sake of the kids.

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Speaker 3: We've seen people living together and they're practically separated. So

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Speaker 3: they did this and then they managed for years to

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Speaker 3: have this swap right. Eventually, though, one couple broke up

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Speaker 3: And they said it was not a sex thing, it

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Speaker 3: was not a cheap swap.

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Speaker 2: They should have just keep it, keep it their own business.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm always encouraging everyone to mind their own business,

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Speaker 3: Out of the Oh my god. And it made the

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Speaker 3: pay papers. You can see here.

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Speaker 2: Are you're kidding?

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Speaker 3: Yank pictures? Trade Wives. That's the cover of New York paper,

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Speaker 3: The Daily News. Yeah. In twenty eleven, Matt Damon and

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Speaker 3: Ben Affleck we're gonna make a movie about.

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Speaker 2: They were gonna swap No.

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Speaker 3: That would be fun. I guess j Lo and Matt

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Speaker 2: Joe, and then you swapped it the other way. You

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Speaker 3: They were going to make a movie called The Trade

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Speaker 3: about this, and they decided that's not a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 3: They stuffed so in saying I'm telling you about it.

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Speaker 2: That is ridiculous, Right, that's super ridiculous. Do you want

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Speaker 2: to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Her for it?

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Speaker 2: I love it, tell it stealing cheese? Yeah, this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons.

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Speaker 2: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I talk about food crimes on this show. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: would say often because I share a lot of horrible

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Speaker 2: food mesh.

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Speaker 3: Those are food crimes in my books. Yeah, and I've reported.

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Speaker 2: You mustard skittles.

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Speaker 3: God, no, we know what they are.

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Speaker 2: Ice cream, all right. The only actual crime involving food

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Speaker 2: that I've talked to you about is the Sonoran hot

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Speaker 2: dog feud, which was amazing.

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Speaker 2: Since then, every time I see a cart selling Sonoran

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Speaker 2: hot dogs, I've already eaten and I'm not interested. So

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Speaker 2: I haven't tried when you really, yeah, I've seen the

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Speaker 2: cart like a couple of times after Yeah, there's always

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Speaker 2: one after the A's game, when you walk.

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Speaker 3: Out fingers going come this way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I see it. I'm always like just not.

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Speaker 3: Hungry given to the flavor.

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Speaker 2: I need to try one.

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Speaker 3: You do, I'll thank you for one.

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Speaker 2: So such as life with that. There was also succulent

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Speaker 2: Yes, but we didn't talk about the meal itself.

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Speaker 3: There, that's true, not really knowing.

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Speaker 2: So here's the things, Aaron, here's something fun about me?

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Speaker 3: Oh, please share? Are we sharing?

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Speaker 2: I try to explain to people that there are three

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Speaker 3: Okay, gardening, okay, yes, I can test to that. Dogs,

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Speaker 3: I can totally attest to that.

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Speaker 2: And food.

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Speaker 3: I haven't even expanded to say dogs and other animals

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's wolves, yeah yeah, so animals, so we'll say gardening, animals,

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Speaker 2: non reptiles, and food.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with it right.

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Speaker 2: There are obviously other things music, keeping the a's in Oakland, California, history.

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Speaker 3: Californ history of California, gold in general, costco Y, California.

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Speaker 2: If you've never seen the TV show California's Gold, it

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Speaker 2: was a PBS show that ran out here, find it online.

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Speaker 3: The host has an amazing Southern accent. He goes around

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Speaker 2: All, be so enthusiastic yourself. He is so enthusiastic as

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Speaker 3: He'll be talking to somebody who has like a sock collection.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly. So I like I do like talking about food, yes,

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Speaker 2: and I love to cook, I love to eat things,

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Speaker 2: all these things. So it makes sense that today I'm

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Speaker 2: going to give you a Schmorgesborg of food crimes, a

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Speaker 2: veritable cornucopia, a buffet of one poo poop platter of

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Speaker 3: So now I'm thripchip.

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Speaker 2: So many of these are crimes that have been suggested

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Speaker 2: to us over the course of the show going back decades,

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Speaker 2: and they don't. But they don't have enough meat on

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Speaker 2: today we have a buffet. Okay, just a little sampler.

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Speaker 2: Let's begin with our most requested crime. Yes, we have

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Speaker 2: a most most requested food crime for us to cover,

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Speaker 2: for us to car. So it's something that I've been

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Speaker 2: told you have a lot of at your house talking

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Speaker 2: about maple syrup.

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Speaker 3: Honey, Oh, maple syrup, yes, I mean pretty into all

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Speaker 3: the sweet syrups.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a syrupy kind of guy. So maple syrup,

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Speaker 2: real maple syrup, not the brown corn syrup goo.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no high freak toast current and brown in it. No.

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Speaker 2: Real maple syrup is expensive, yes, yeah, top that top

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Speaker 3: By the oh Man. I was recently in New England.

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Speaker 3: I was wild.

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Speaker 2: Oh, were you just like suckling on a tree tree

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Speaker 2: like vampire? Did you know that maple syrup runs almost

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Speaker 2: two thousand to thirty five hundred dollars US a barrel

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is very expensive.

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Speaker 2: It's up from thirteen hundred dollars a barrel in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: It's going up like gold and with global warming, who's

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Speaker 2: So Vermont makes the most syrup of any US states.

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Speaker 2: But Quebec, Yes, they put out seventy percent of the

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Speaker 2: world's maple syrup supplying. Yeah, that's the leaves exactly. So

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Speaker 2: the Global Maple Syrup Strategic Reserve is located in rural

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Speaker 2: Quebec east of Montreal. Monreal. It's managed by the Federation

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Speaker 2: So they managed the supply of syrup to balance out

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Speaker 2: So you have a boom time you take it, you know,

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Speaker 2: set it aside. Summer of twenty twelve, Monsieur Gavreau.

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Speaker 3: Michelle, you say it again. I like the way you

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Speaker 2: He was one of the f PAQ. He was at

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Speaker 2: the sky. Yeah, and he's got he's got like a

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Speaker 2: So he's oh, it's like boe wobbling, and he like

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Speaker 3: Okay, I was picturing this wrong.

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Speaker 2: So they're big pyramid style.

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Speaker 3: Of barrels, okay, And he's going up on the kind

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Speaker 3: of weird ladders growling up. He's scrabbling up the actual barrel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on the barrels. He's on the barrels. They

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Speaker 3: Now it's making sense.

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Speaker 2: A barrel of maple syrup weighs around six hundred pounds,

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Speaker 2: and so you can see how he didn't have the

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Speaker 3: If they're empty, fas miessing hundreds thousands of pounds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So he starts opening the barrel and confirms that

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Speaker 2: they are devoid of syrup. But they weren't completely empty.

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Speaker 2: They had water in them.

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 2: So this wasn't like a shipping era where like a

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Speaker 2: About twelve point five percent of the total syrup reserve,

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Speaker 2: five hundred and forty thousand gallons had been stolen. Whoa,

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Speaker 2: that's thirteen point four million dollars worth of the forest's

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Speaker 2: sweet nectar. Yeah. So the cops like.

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Speaker 3: An eighth of the whole world's supply.

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Speaker 2: much to be desired. But then again, who would steal

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and there's no CCTV at the warehouse, so there's

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Speaker 2: The syrup was now colloquially hot. Yes, and this was

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Speaker 2: now known as the Great Maple Syrup. Hece, Oh, yes,

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Speaker 3: Inspectors.

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Speaker 2: They questioned hundreds of people, They ran multiple, multiple search warrants,

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Speaker 2: dozens of search warrants. The whole thing was kind of

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Speaker 2: the scenario and it's impossible. Syrup is heavy and sticky.

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Speaker 2: How do you hide it? Who do you get to

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Speaker 2: smuggle it? Where can you sell it? It's like stealing

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Speaker 2: the salt out of the sea.

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Speaker 2: Eventually, though, investigators they were able to piece everything together.

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Speaker 2: There was a group of criminals who would take the

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Speaker 2: Oh really, They'd siphon off the syrup into their own

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Speaker 3: Why are you the extra step?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, that's the thing. So okay, So

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Speaker 2: there wasn't a lot of traffic in and out of

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Speaker 2: started just siphoning the barrels right there, and so over

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Speaker 3: It's a lot, that's a lot of times.

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Speaker 2: And then they took them out of the FPA CU zone.

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Speaker 2: This is inside, this is a huge well. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: they take them out of the FPAQ zone and they

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Speaker 2: sold them to mostly unwitting buyers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so people don't know they're putting in new labeled stuff. Okay.

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Speaker 2: And what's wild is that the cops were able to

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Speaker 3: This is why he was getting all those calls from

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of syrup in my house. Syplus

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Speaker 2: this new Brunswick area, super rural, really beautiful. I've always

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Speaker 2: love it. In all, seventeen men were arrested for the heist.

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Speaker 3: Wow, seventeen. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The ringleader was a man named Richard or Richard Vallier,

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Speaker 2: and he was sentenced in twenty seventeen to eight years

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Speaker 2: the Quebec Court of Appeal ruled that it was excessive.

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Speaker 2: This whole the fine, They're like nine point four million

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Speaker 3: That's ridiculous, nine of business. We're talking syrup.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're like knocked it down to a million.

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Speaker 2: Just still that's a lot of money. But then the

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Speaker 3: We said, people, leaf is on the flag exactly.

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Speaker 2: You don't mess with that. So Richard's dad, Raymond, Raymond.

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Speaker 3: What do you get if you go in to shoot

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Speaker 3: twenty five years in federal prison. Right whatever. If you

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Speaker 3: have it on your fly, you got to protect that.

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Speaker 3: I'm with the judge.

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Speaker 2: We don't have the baldygle in our floor.

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Speaker 3: I know, we don't have it on our flag, but

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Speaker 3: it's our symbol. You can't shoot a star, exactly, shoot

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Speaker 3: a stripe. I shot a candy striper and.

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Speaker 2: Call you should call a wait for that.

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Speaker 3: They definitely so.

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Speaker 2: Richard's dad, Raymond.

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Speaker 3: I shot the color blue.

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Speaker 2: He gets convicted of possession, yes, with intent to sell.

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Speaker 2: He was sentenced to two years in jail minus one day,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, and three years of probation. Tien sant Pierre,

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Speaker 2: He got two years in jail minus one day. I

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Speaker 2: and he was the insider on it. His spouse owned

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Speaker 2: the warehouse that they were poking into. He got five

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Speaker 2: and then Sebastian Joutra trucker who moved the stole, got

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Speaker 2: This theft of a really large quantity of food products

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Speaker 2: food based offenses are considered especially us in tou Larry County, California.

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Speaker 2: The dedicated detectives who investigate these vicious felonies or members

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Speaker 2: These are their stories.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, before you get to TULARI, I wanted to

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Speaker 3: Pretty cool, they're better together.

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Speaker 2: Pretty cool. Yeah it is anyway, Hoses. So there is

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Speaker 2: This is how they're described on their website. Quote to

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Speaker 2: The Agricultural Crimes Unit consists of six detectives, one sergeant

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Speaker 2: and nature, including but not limited to, cattle theft, copper

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Speaker 3: And fuelfs. Be yeah, I bet thehas in Central California.

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Speaker 2: The Agricultural Crimes Unit has specific liaisons for the areas

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Speaker 2: the unit they caught a hot case a real tough.

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Speaker 3: Nut to crack lay it on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, someone stole two tractor trailers filled with about

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Speaker 2: three hundred thousand dollars worth of pistachios.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Pista. I wonder if it was gonna be almonds

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gotta be, you know, maybe walnuts far south

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Speaker 2: to set In, Pistachio and Terrabella, California. Set In Pistachios,

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Speaker 2: California exactly. It's the second largest pistachio processor in the US.

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Speaker 2: They can process more than one hundred and ten million

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Speaker 3: That's the country's largest.

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Speaker 2: They're the largest processor. But Settin right right close behind them,

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Speaker 2: So Seton was missing its nuts. Apparently someone used the

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Speaker 2: pick up two large cargo trailers filled with pistachios. Then

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Speaker 2: they took off and headed to a secret abandoned warehouse

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Speaker 2: One county over, Okay, so they just there's just some

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Speaker 3: Of course, I was gonna ask about this, that's the maybe.

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Speaker 2: That's standard for transportation.

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Speaker 3: With your luggage. What do you think I'm doing with

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Speaker 2: As an aside, there was a case of the missing

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Speaker 2: chickpeas that could have used a GPS tracker. A restaurant

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Speaker 2: in Washington, DC called Little Sesame lost a shipment of

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Speaker 2: chickpeas coming in from Montana. Ups said it made it

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Speaker 2: went cold cold like hummus zaren that's what chickpeas were for.

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Speaker 2: So the local papers were calling that garbonzogate. Oh really, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they've stole six and fifty pounds of garbonzobeans chickpeas. That's

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Speaker 2: like more than twenty six bo Jackson's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot about Jackson. You were putting in

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Speaker 2: That of course, Well, they weren't ever recovered anyway. Back

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Speaker 2: to the pistachios. The nut recovery the nut grab became

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Speaker 2: a multi jurisdictional effort. California Highway Patrol, Fresno County Sheriff's Office,

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Speaker 3: Bring that hammer down.

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Speaker 2: Bovna Singh second, a twenty three year old Fresno man

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Speaker 2: At the last report immediately following his arrest, they said

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, more to come. Yeah, watch this space.

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Speaker 2: And all the nuts recovered.

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Speaker 3: Oh nice, they got their handle they cradled.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't find out what happened to this case. Whatever

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Speaker 2: So they got the nuts back. When we come back, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you about more foodie crimes and they aren't mashups.

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Speaker 3: Thank god. Hello, Hello, some nuts? Yeah, I got some

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Speaker 3: just for this. This is going well.

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Speaker 2: So like occasion Delicious, Yes please New Bedford, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 3: I've been there, have you okay, whaling.

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Speaker 2: Well, did you know more than three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: Fishing whaleless it still is. It's a huge fishing town.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, okay, I'm familiar.

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Speaker 2: Turns up all the good stuff, all the juices, the nutrients,

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Speaker 3: Oxygen rich, nutrient rich.

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Speaker 3: They're just like.

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Speaker 2: eels and they were gone, yes, yes, and then they spawned.

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00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 2: So at the center of this bustling industry is Carlos

439
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 2: Raphael Carlos. He immigrated to New Bedford from the Azores

440
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 2: as a teenager in nineteen Sixty's.

441
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 3: Part of that Cape ver.

442
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yes there's and that's a huge population in New Bedford.

443
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 2: He got a job in a fish processing plant and

444
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 2: then he eventually became a foreman at a seafood distribution facility. Now,

445
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty one he bought his first boat. He

446
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: started his own company, Carlos Seafood, like Carlos Danger, Carlos Seafood.

447
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 2: Over time his business grew to forty boats. So he's

448
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 2: a juggernaut, forty boats. He's got like this whole crew.

449
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen, he took in more than twenty five percent

450
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: of New England's groundfish revenue.

451
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 3: What.

452
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just like he's the man. A reporter from

453
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: WECE went to interview him at his warehouse in twenty thirteen,

454
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 2: and Carlos had pictures of Tony Montana al Patino's coking

455
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 2: character from Scarface on the walls of.

456
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 3: My little Friend.

457
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's all on the walls of his office. He

458
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 2: tells the reporter that his small family competitors were quote,

459
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: mosquitos on the balls of an elephant.

460
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm starting to figure it out.

461
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: Local newspapers called him Elizabeth. They called him the waterfront wizard. Yeah,

462
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 2: and oracle of the ocean. Yeah, he had a dark side,

463
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 2: no really what how In the nineteen eighties he got

464
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: six months in prison for tax evasion, right fine. Ninety

465
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,959
Speaker 2: four he gets indicted but acquitted for price fixing.

466
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 3: Not this Johnny friendly of water front.

467
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: He's a little fishies. Twenty eleven, he got busted for

468
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: illegally catching an eight hundred and eighty one pound tuna.

469
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 2: Is all fountain nemo.

470
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got caught for an illegal fish.

471
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: Illegal eight hundred and eighty one pound. That's a fig in.

472
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 3: That's a big boy. Yeah.

473
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 2: Over twenty years, he racked up more than five hundred

474
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in fines for more than thirty federal fishing violations.

475
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 3: Just always catching fish.

476
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: He's the bad boy of the seas.

477
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 3: Can't stop him.

478
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: So these were some of his cancers violations overfishing, Failing

479
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: to throw back undersized fish and lobsters bearing eggs, which

480
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 2: is a big no no. Oh, having boats with secret coolers

481
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: in them, blocking Coastguard inspectors from boarding, failing to declare

482
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: fishing trips and then filing false reports on his catch.

483
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 3: Using dynamite to catch fish.

484
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: Do you know what he once told regulators quote, I'm

485
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: a pirate, it's your job to catch me.

486
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: I think that's accurate. I think that is he knows himself.

487
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: He has all these ships right and over time, like

488
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: he's rotating through them. Sure, if one got old, he

489
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: just left it to rot at the docks and then

490
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: people would say you got to move your boat, and

491
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: you like start threatening them. One he just let it

492
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: sink and was like the government's got to clean it

493
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: up now, Like he just didn't care, So.

494
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: Then I shouldn't laugh. That's the worst behavior. It's totally wow.

495
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: One time the coast guard boarded one of his boats

496
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: and the troll winch where the you know that releases

497
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: the net was like spinning out and the fishing net

498
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 2: was just like heading down into the ocean where no

499
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 2: one could see it. So the coast guard knew this

500
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 2: was not an accident. That like, yeah, So they pull

501
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: up the net they saw that it had an illegal

502
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: liner in it that would keep undersized fish from slipping

503
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: through the regulation manch. So he's just like yeah, basically

504
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. He's worth tens of millions of dollars.

505
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: Is an extension, but go on.

506
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: Yes, he was done though he wanted out. At the

507
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: beginning of the year, he put in word that he

508
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 2: was selling his boats and his dealership. He wanted to

509
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: retire to kate Verde, Portuguese, former Portuguese colony off the

510
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: coast of Africa. Then three dudes showed up. They wanted

511
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 2: to make a deal. Sarin shows you. Oh yes, I

512
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: want you to picture it. It's June third, twenty fifteen.

513
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 2: You are a man with a sick Russian accent. Oh yes,

514
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: you and another Russian are with your financial broker walking

515
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: into a warehouse at three fifty South Front Street in

516
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: New Bedford, Massachusetts.

517
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 3: My name is Zovich.

518
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: I had to give you time to get that out there,

519
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: so seagulls swoop overhead. Big big trucks rumble by. Headed

520
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: to the marine commerce terminal, kind of out by Buzzard's Bank.

521
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 2: Yeah it. The door to the warehouse creeks open, and

522
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: you head to a small office off to the side.

523
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 2: You expect a place to smell like fish. It just cold.

524
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 2: Is this cold? Your feet strike the cement floors and

525
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: you tuck your bald fist tightly into your member's only jacket.

526
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: An older gentleman, his gray hair balding, motions for you

527
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: to sit down. He's got a wincedon cigarette hanging between

528
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: his fingers.

529
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 3: You need to light tiny.

530
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 2: A tiny radio perched on top of a filing cabinet

531
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 2: plays soft rock. He introduces himself as Carlos Raphael of

532
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 2: Carlos Seafood.

533
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: I'm Zenovich.

534
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: The broker has told Carlos everything that he needs to

535
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: know about you and the other Russian. Carlos seems impressed.

536
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: The broker told him in subtle terms, at you and

537
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: your power Russian gangsters. You're looking to park money and

538
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: maybe make them while you're at it, because exactly so.

539
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 2: Carlos tells you that the irs thinks his business is

540
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 2: worth about twenty million dollars and loses about half a

541
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: million annually, but it's actually worth one hundred and seventy

542
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: five million, and he rakes in way more than a

543
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: few million a year. You nod to show how impressed

544
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: you are. Carlos reaches into his desk and pulls out

545
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 2: a Ledger book on the front in big black felt

546
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: tip permanent marker inc Is scrawled cash. We are profitable,

547
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: he tells you. You will not see it on paper.

548
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: For Carlos seafood profit the good. He tells you that

549
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: this big wod is from off the book's cod. It's wadcod.

550
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 2: He sells literal tons of fish to an under the

551
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: table fish dealer in New York, and he tells you

552
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: he always gets paid in cash. I call this the dance,

553
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: he says. You look at your broker. He nods slightly,

554
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: and you know it's on. Carlos is super stoked. He

555
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: pulls a bottle of rum from the large desk drawer

556
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: and begins to pour celebratory shots for everyone he has found.

557
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: Fellow criminal underworld Kindred Spirits. He laughs and says, as

558
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: will later appear in court transcripts, you could be the

559
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: Irs in here. This could be a cluster, so I'm

560
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 2: trusting you. The only thing is I open myself up

561
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: because both of you is Russian, and I don't think

562
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 2: they would have two Russians me. That would be some

563
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: bad luck. Here's the thing, you're broker, Ronald Mullet, like

564
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: the fish, but with an extra tea. Mister Mullet, undercover

565
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: Irs agent, And what was Carlos talking about with the

566
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: off the books fish the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,

567
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: they have a requirement for fishing boats. They need to

568
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: log and report the species and the weight of their

569
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: catch every single time they go out. On the other end,

570
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: seafood dealers submit their own reports that tell what they're

571
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: purchasing from the fishermen, and then Noah Cross references the

572
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: data to confirm and make sure everything matches that match exactly.

573
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: So Carlos found a crack to slip through. He owned

574
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: both boats and a dealership, and he told his captains

575
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: to fudge their reports. Then he verified their catch and

576
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: fudged his reports to back it up. There were other

577
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: restrictions in place that Carlos hopped around. Fishermen are allowed

578
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: to catch bigger quantities of common species of fish than

579
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: rare ones. Okay, so let's say you're allowed to pull

580
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: in lots of haddock, which is a common fish, but

581
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: then you get a net full of dabs like sandebs.

582
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: By the rules, you have to either stop fishing or

583
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: rent more dabs quota from other fishermen. Oh, this is

584
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: all in an effort to not overfish the waters and

585
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: also like create like an equitable sales environment.

586
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: So this is not working at all, No.

587
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: Not under Carlos. Carlos gets around this by mislabeling a

588
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: lot of stuff as haddock. Like everything becomes happy.

589
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 3: So that's why when you get stuff in the fish

590
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: and they go and they have like the scientists check

591
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: the fish and they go, yeah, this is all haddock

592
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: and it's all listed. Is different.

593
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: It's him, that's him, that's him. So like he as

594
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: he gestures to like the cooked books, he said to Mullet, quote,

595
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: this is we paint it all week see seven hundred.

596
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: We call these haddock like okay. And he even had

597
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: a crooked cop who helped him smuggle the cash back

598
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: home to Portugal through Boston Logan International Airport. Oh, so

599
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: he's got all these connections, Rs Man Mullet. He collected intel,

600
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: he collected evidence. You're also an undercover, by the way,

601
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: if you hadn't figured that.

602
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: Hey, baby business at a front party in the back.

603
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: So Mullet met with that New York dealer whose name

604
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: was Michael Peretti. He was a dealer at Fulton Fish

605
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: Market and he was once busted for selling fish illegally

606
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: caught in polluted waters.

607
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: Is Fulton Fish Market a big market from fish markets, Yeah,

608
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: I know, like Pike Street marketplace and then.

609
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: Fulton Fish The big dogs, the big dogs of the

610
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: fish world, the big the big catfish. On February twenty six,

611
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, I'm letting cat federal agents. I just imagine

612
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: with like big like whiskers.

613
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: Oh like Snoopy's brother.

614
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: Yes, who lives in that's my reference in needles. He

615
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: lives in Needles. So federal agents raided the Carlos Seafood

616
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: warehouse arrested Carlos that may. He was indicted on twenty

617
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: seven counts of fraud.

618
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 3: That's it, like eighty five.

619
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: Well, and all of his crimes involved around eight hundred

620
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: thousand pounds of fish.

621
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

622
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: So the press when this all happens, they start calling

623
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: Carlos the cod Father.

624
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: Oh of course, God, there you go.

625
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: So what's wild is that his crimes threw off the

626
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: fishery stock forecasts of various fish species. And that meant

627
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: that Noah had to recalibrate everything and reset the quotas.

628
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: That is the baseline.

629
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: That is how massive his fraud was. The cod Father

630
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: he didn't let something like federal charges slow him down.

631
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: There.

632
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: Oh, Carlos August twenty sixteen, The Codfather out on two

633
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: million dollars spond. He's wearing an ankle monitor.

634
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: Yes.

635
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: Look, one of his boats got busted by the Coastguard

636
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: for illegal fishing. And he had his wife buying boats

637
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: in her name to grow the business. And he was

638
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: still a fixture at the docks and the fish aux course.

639
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: Like he's just showing up in like barking orders at people.

640
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: In the end, the federal government prevailed. So twenty seventeen,

641
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: Carlos the Codfather, he pled guilty and agreed to give

642
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: up thirteen of his vessels and leave the fishing industry

643
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: for good.

644
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: But he's not in behind bars.

645
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: He got forty six months in prison, okay. And so

646
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: while he was in jail, he bought Hawthorne Country Club

647
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: in Dartmouth, Massachusetts.

648
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: He bought a country club jail for years in jail.

649
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he also did like real estate developments. He

650
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: and his family were going to buy this like senior

651
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: retirement apartment complex.

652
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: Oh, I totally trust them to care seniors.

653
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 2: And in twenty in twenty twenty, they transferred him from

654
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: the prison to a half way house, and he got

655
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: out in March twenty twenty one.

656
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: Okay, what's he been doing since? Well?

657
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: His attorney, John Marky said that Carlos and his children

658
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 2: are quote investing in the future of New Bedford and

659
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: in projects to improve their community.

660
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: I don't believe them.

661
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: No, that's all we have on them, codfather. Everybody, let's

662
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: take a break that they cut it him like a fish.

663
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to share more crimes, but these are going

664
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: to involve when he your favorite foods cheese, glorious cheese.

665
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: You talking about language cheese I.

666
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: Used to steal. I'm sorry, I shouldn't just come off

667
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: so quick with that, but I was in college and

668
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: I was very struggling, and my friend and I we

669
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: wore big clothing, so we would go and steal one

670
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: pound blocks of cheese from like the local Safeway in

671
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 3: San Francisco, the one on church there in Market, and

672
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: then we go back to his place and we'd sit

673
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: down on the couch and each of us would get

674
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: out like a steak knife and we would cut off

675
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: slices of cheese and eat the entire one pound block.

676
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: You guys all stove up, no smooth running after that? Wow?

677
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah five or diet maybe?

678
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

679
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: I love cheese like none.

680
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: Cheese is amazing. I'm a huge cheese fan. Did you

681
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: know it has an almost drug like effect on the brain.

682
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: I just told you that story.

683
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: Well that sound it contains casin. Yeah, it gets protein

684
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: the opioid receptors. So yeah, cheese.

685
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: Proteins, baby good stuffs like drugs.

686
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: The French are sometimes referred to as cheese eating surrender monkeys.

687
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: But Americans are cheese eaters too.

688
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: You never heard that.

689
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: I've heard that, but people are really called No.

690
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 2: No, they don't. I just did, but I don't mean it.

691
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: I was just looking, really, I was just looking for

692
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: a good you know, segu So Americans are cheese eaters too.

693
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: Did you know that Americans ate more than five billion

694
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,479
Speaker 2: pounds of cheese and twenty twenty one. That sounds low,

695
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: that's like and you did like twelve percent of that.

696
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 3: I'm doing my part.

697
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: About a billion pounds were consumed in the American Midwest.

698
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: That makes sense, Okay, yeah, I'm thinking like all the

699
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: fast food cheese. It's a big grown out there, I mean,

700
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: but that's they throw cheese on everything.

701
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: Macaroni and cheese like potato.

702
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: Like, there's all the regular foods. I was trying to think,

703
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: where are the numbers, really, cheese soup exactly, all the

704
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: French cheddar soup and the French.

705
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: Blue cheese, the cheese soup.

706
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's French onion soup has cheese in it.

707
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then yeah whatever anyway, so we're not going

708
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: to get all sidetracked on cheese soup. Dame Wisconsin. They

709
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: produce the most cheese in the US each year.

710
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: In California's mad about that they are.

711
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: We're coming up behind them.

712
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 3: Dude, it's a battle. You ever seen that?

713
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 4: Well?

714
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was looking at the numbers literally way

715
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: ahead of us. But you know, we have superior cheese.

716
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: I think gauntlet like that.

717
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 2: Wisconsin is officially the Badger state, but unofficially the dairy state.

718
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 2: In the cheese state.

719
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I got a heart for the cheeseheads.

720
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: And just like the maple syrup of our neighbors to

721
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: the north, Wisconsin cheese is worth a.

722
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: Lot totally, and that the cheese.

723
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: Brings about criminals like flies to syrup.

724
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: It's like the syrup is the flag, the Canadian flag

725
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: with they have the maple leaf. In Wisconsin they have

726
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: the cheesehead. It's very similar.

727
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: That's the flag.

728
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: If they could redo the state flag, it would be.

729
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: A cheese made out of cheese. The state flag. You

730
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 2: can usual their state constitution is enough.

731
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 3: Cheese has to be printed on cheese and the constitution itself,

732
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: oh itself. I did not know that. Fun, Yeah, it's fun.

733
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: Fun fact twenty thirteen Venamine Balika. He stole forty two

734
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: thousand pounds of munster cheese from the pasture Pried Cheese

735
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: company in Wisconsin. Now he rolled up to the company

736
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: like he was picking up a shipment, complete with forged

737
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: document's kind of like pistachio.

738
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: Boy got a manifest whole bit totally.

739
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: And then he took off with one and thirty five

740
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: cases of cheese that had a street value of two

741
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. Put it into little.

742
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: Baggies, then two for five.

743
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: The cops caught up with him a thousand miles away

744
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: at a stop on the New Jersey Turnpike.

745
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: Cheese.

746
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: What was he doing there? He was trying to sell

747
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 2: the load and the rest.

748
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 3: Get this cheese restop in New Jersey.

749
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: The whole truck according to New Jersey State Police Sergeant

750
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: Adam Grossman. He told ABC News he was charged with

751
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: receiving stolen property and fencing fencing cheese and a New

752
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: Jersey rest stop.

753
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: Hey, that's what we do.

754
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: If you pull into a rest stop and a guy's

755
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: like buy some cheese, like parked on the other side

756
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: of he was the guy with steaks in his trunk.

757
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 3: Then the van with the stereo parts, and then there's

758
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: a truck.

759
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: How did I get here? So the cheese in the

760
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: truck were sent to an impound lot, and.

761
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: After they didn't take the cheese out.

762
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: No, no, After the cheese passed New Jersey health inspections,

763
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: though it was donated to charity because no one wants

764
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: to buy used cheese.

765
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, what do you mean what? I'm right here,

766
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: I'm right here.

767
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: Wisconsin got hit again, though, just like a month later, claim.

768
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 3: Takes care of the cheese lost right for the company,

769
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 3: and then they're like, hey, who do you give this to?

770
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 3: What pores want to eat this?

771
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: You have the cheese, you pours and the pores are

772
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: like delicious. Twenty sixteen again Wisconsin, so or actually no,

773
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 2: that was what twenty thirteen twenty sixteen, we jumped forward

774
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: in time. Okay, to flash forward, all the stars go

775
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: by us. First, ninety pounds of parmesan cheese.

776
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: Sorry, taking a shot at the stars go on.

777
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: The parmesan cheese. We're stolen from a warehouse in Marshfield,

778
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 2: Wisconsinsin someone commandeered a semi truck full of forty pound

779
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: blocks of cheese that was supposed to go to Illinois.

780
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: Police were on the case. No one lifts Wisconsin cheese

781
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: and gets away with it. So two weeks after the theft,

782
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: the cheese is recovered. Someone called in a tip that

783
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: the forty one pounds of parmesan was held in a

784
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: warehouse in Grand Shoot, Wisconsin. All right, how great is

785
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: that to be the like rat on that with the cheese,

786
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 2: the rat under the cheese. But I mean really like, hey,

787
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: I know where.

788
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: The cheese for you and some cold cheese.

789
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: The cops race to the warehouse. They find the cheese there,

790
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: unmolested with parmesan.

791
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: It could be dry, right, just sitting out.

792
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just sitting there. So there was never any

793
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: statement made about the culprits or catching them or anything.

794
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: I noticed that just pure relief that the cheese was

795
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: apparently this is.

796
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 3: The thing to steal. They just go, we got the cheese.

797
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: We don't care. We're not looking past the cheese.

798
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: You do, just make sure you get the cheese. Just

799
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: a month later after that parmesan heist, Beeves struck again.

800
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: There's a debate as to whether it's the same crew

801
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 2: or a whole new group occurred.

802
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: Someone yelling down the street, that's not your cheese.

803
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: You did it. So this time, seventy thousand pounds of

804
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: cheese were stolen from a cheese store in Germantown, Wisconsin.

805
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: It's referred to as quote cheese product in most of

806
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: the news articles, but I found one that called it parmesan.

807
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: So I don't think it was like Velveta or craft shingles,

808
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: but like it was, we'll say. We'll say that this

809
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: tangy treasure was parmesan. It was taken from a parking

810
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 2: lot at two just after midnight, okay, and so early morning.

811
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: It wasn't just sitting in the lot loose cheese just

812
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: laying there. It was an attractor trailer. So the trailer

813
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 2: was found empty and abandoned later that morning. All right,

814
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: but what about the cheese? They found that later that

815
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: night in Milwaukee Milwaukee cheese. How did they know where

816
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: to look? The thieves were trying to sell the hot

817
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: cheese for just a dollar a pound.

818
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 3: Oh, so they didn't do like one of those We

819
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: put a map down in der a circle and they

820
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: don't have to be inside this circle. Probably like they

821
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: just got lucky. We're like, we saw someone selling hot

822
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 3: cheese on the corner.

823
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: They were selling it on the cheap, like flea market steaks.

824
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 2: Don't trust. It had to be thrown away, so they

825
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: sent it to the landfill.

826
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: You got like white teas and cheese, which.

827
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: What socks, laundry detergent. So the seal on the trailer

828
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: had been broken, so they couldn't They couldn't sell it.

829
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: Because it won't pass code.

830
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and since like I guess, New Jersey was like,

831
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: it's fine, give it to give it to charity, They're like, no,

832
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: we don't know what has happened to this cheese while

833
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: it was on.

834
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: The difference between the Midwest and the land.

835
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like road cheese could be so bad. So

836
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: they put it in the landfill. Like I said, you

837
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: can't sell used cheese. So these were Wisconsin takes on

838
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: Parmesan cheese. Let's look at the real deal. This is

839
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: not the powdered form. This is the heavenly form. Parmisano reggiano.

840
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: You like, it's not what It's an Italian hard cheese.

841
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 2: It's made from thousands.

842
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 3: I like that. Yes, it's hard.

843
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: It's hard. It's age. You're thinking of fresh mozzarella.

844
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: Oh right, that's the stuff I do.

845
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: This stuff, Parmigiano reggiano is aged at least twelve months. Yeah,

846
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: some people call it the King of cheese.

847
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: It's the one that's yes, I know the recipe.

848
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: Goes back to the Middle Ages.

849
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: Is this also the one in New York where they'll

850
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 3: take the round and melt it and like they put

851
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 3: the stuff.

852
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: For the Instagram. So the cheese is named after two

853
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: of the areas that produce it, Parma yes and Reggio Emilia.

854
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: Oh and so true. Parmesan is also produced in the

855
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: part of Bologna west of the River Reno and Medina

856
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: and part of Mantua on the south bank of the

857
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: River Po. So it's very particular and both Parmigiano reggiano

858
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: and parmesan are protected designations of origin. Pdo like champagne. Yeah,

859
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: for cheeses that are produced in the provinces under Italian

860
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 2: both Italian and European law. So outside of the.

861
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: EU we have like ter laws for cheese. Is that

862
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 3: something kind of.

863
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it has to do with like the cows

864
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: and the Yeah. So when you're not in the EU,

865
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: like when you're in Wisconsin.

866
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: Yes, sure, the name.

867
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 2: Parmesan can legal it can legally be used for similar cheeses,

868
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: but they can't say Parmegiano reggiano.

869
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 3: Okay.

870
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, all producers of Parmegiano reggiano cheese, they belong to

871
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: the Consortia del Fromaggio Parmigiano Reggiano Cheese OPEC. Yeah, the

872
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: cheese consortium founded in nineteen twenty eighth.

873
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: Wow.

874
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: As of twenty seventeen, about three three point six million wheels.

875
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: That's one hundred and nineteen twenty eight in Italy. Yeah,

876
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 3: so they're like fascist cheese.

877
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 2: Totally fascist cheese.

878
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: Okay, I just wander, okay completely.

879
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: So one hundred and thirty seven thousand metric tons of

880
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: parmesan are produced every year. Wow, and that uses eighteen

881
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: percent of all the milk produced in Italy. What to

882
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,479
Speaker 2: make this delicious parmesan. Thank you cows, thank you so much.

883
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: The cheese is made from grass fed cow's milk only,

884
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: and then they put it in this stainless steel round form.

885
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: The form is tightened to make the giant wheel shape

886
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: of the finished product. There's like a plastic belt inside

887
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: the buckle and it imprints the cheese.

888
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 4: With that.

889
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 3: They get the print, the name.

890
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 2: And the plant number, the month and year of production.

891
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: Big circle seal.

892
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it call it yeah and it looks.

893
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 3: Like brail like this cool.

894
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: Each cheese is put out on wooden shelves. Twenty four

895
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 2: cheeses high, ninety cheeses long.

896
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 3: I love those videos.

897
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 2: Over two thousand cheeses per ale. Oh yeah, the smell

898
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: must be amazing.

899
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 3: So after thet thing to say.

900
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: After twelve months, the Consortcio inspects every wheel of cheese.

901
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: Wheels that pass the test get heat branded on the

902
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: rind with the Consortio's special logo. Cheese that doesn't pass

903
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: the test, they either mark the rines with lines and

904
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 2: crosses all the way around.

905
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: They sell to America, or.

906
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: They just strip all the markings off altogether and like

907
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: you're not getting top quality product. I've seen footage of

908
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: earthquake damage to the curing room. It's heartbreaking. They're just

909
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: broken wheels of cheese everywhere, broken cheese, broken dreams. So

910
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: heart I thank you American manufactured, speak of the cheese. Americans.

911
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: They aren't always on the up and up with their parmesan.

912
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: So here's the Food and Drug Administration. They looked into

913
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: a Pennsylvania company's powdery cheese determined that quote no Armisan

914
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: cheese was used to manufacture it.

915
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: There is zero, So.

916
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: Why you can't trust that powdered stuff. It's disgusting. You

917
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: have to get a hunk of your own and use

918
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: a microplane or for salads and such vegetable peeler anyway,

919
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: all right, there are an estimated three hundred thousand wheels

920
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: of parmesano reggiano worth around two hundred million dollars kept

921
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: in Italian bank vaults.

922
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 3: Wow, don't they have like in caves too?

923
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: They haven't been caves, but the ones in the vaults.

924
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: There's an Italian bank Kredem, and there are other ones.

925
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 2: They take wheels of parmesan as collateral against loans made

926
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: to the farmers who need fronting.

927
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 3: All the cheese is mature makes sense when you have

928
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 3: those long maturing products. Exactly, what if you have a

929
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: wheeled cheese, can you use that as a credit line, Like,

930
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: just take it off my cheese, your.

931
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: Taste a little off. Parmesan wheels only increase in value

932
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: as they age, and that makes them really appealing to criminals.

933
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 2: In the early twenty teens, a gang stole over two

934
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: thousand wheels of parmesan over the course of a couple

935
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: of years, slowly with the sloan. There were eleven gang

936
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: members and they were fully kitted out for their heists.

937
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: They were armed, but they had all this like technology

938
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 2: for bypassing the security in the warehouses where the cheese

939
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: is stopped.

940
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: Oh, I was imagining them dressed like Chester Cheetah, he

941
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: said they were out. I'm like, let's say they were

942
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 3: total Chester.

943
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 2: I wasn't there. Let's say they were.

944
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: Headphones, sunglasses, leatherjacket. Sure Chester Cheetah.

945
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: And Maario brothers. In twenty fifteen, they were arrested though

946
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: and charged with the theft of seven hundred and eighty

947
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: five thousand euros, which was about eight hundred and seventy

948
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars at the time, which would be one

949
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: point one million dollars to day worth of parmesan cheese.

950
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: This wasn't the only cheese thieving gang. Organized crime had

951
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: crews hitting the cheesemakers on the regular. So cheesemaker Lorenzo Pinetti,

952
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: he said, thieves made off with one hundred thousand dollars

953
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: of his cheese in just a matter of minutes.

954
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: He said, can I just do an extortion, let me

955
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: keep the cheese. I'll pay.

956
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: What they did is the thieves came in and they

957
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: formed an assembly line and slid the wheels of parmesan

958
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 2: out a window.

959
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: What they made this? Yeah, thank you, Henry Ford.

960
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: Alessandro Vaccari is an Italian police officer thirty years on

961
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: the force of that trend. He said, quote, there have

962
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: been so many thefts. Cheese is a bit like gold here.

963
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: The price is so high. So it's not only warehouses

964
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: that get robbed though, Like since parmesan has to be

965
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 2: aged for at least a year before it can be

966
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: called parmesan, and some others are aged two to three years,

967
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: that means a lot of wheels are stored all over

968
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: northern Italy at any given time, so it's not just

969
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: in big warehouses. There's tons of like small artisanal businesses.

970
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: All you sit down on a bench and there's a

971
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: wheel of cheese.

972
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: Ought, I thought it was by myself. According to the Consortio,

973
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 2: over three million dollars in parmesan is stolen in Italy

974
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: every year. Whoa, oh crazy.

975
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: Three million every year. Let us know it's going to

976
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 3: be part of their pilferage.

977
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the angel share. One wheel can be

978
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: bought for several hundred dollars and some for several thousands,

979
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 2: depending and even though what are those markers on the cheese,

980
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: You can't really see him once it's been cut into wedges.

981
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: So black market cheese, man, that's where it's got so

982
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 2: from Italy.

983
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: You got to break it down. Once you get the reup,

984
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 3: you break it down.

985
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: Okay, let's head to France. Queen of the cheeses?

986
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: Are they now?

987
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 2: I say so? So this also took place in twenty fifteen.

988
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: The owner of cheese of a dairy in eastern France

989
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 2: was proud of his comte cheese. You ever had that?

990
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god? So good to be called comte. It

991
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: can only be produced in that region.

992
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 3: Okay, there's a lot of Yeah, you're finding this, okay,

993
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 3: champagne everywhere, right.

994
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: It's just sort of how like you can't call it

995
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: a mission burrito outside of the Mission district in San Francisco.

996
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like how I call it champagne. The miller

997
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: of wines exactly so.

998
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: The Montabayard and Scimital bread breeds of cow. They're the

999
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: only type that produced the milk that's used to make

1000
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: the cheese. So very specific and it takes up to

1001
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 2: thirty six months to mature the cheese. And a cellar,

1002
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: they're like, get mature here, stop being so childish. Whip them.

1003
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: The owner of the dairy went to milk his cows

1004
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: one morning and saw something terrible. The storage area where

1005
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: he kept his comte was open and empty.

1006
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 3: Ooh yeah, girl.

1007
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: The thieves had taken approximately one hundred wheels of the cheese.

1008
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: They cut through barbed wire to get into the property.

1009
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: Then they used a crowbar to force open the back

1010
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: door of the barn, and the cows were like, I

1011
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 2: don't know that. We heard nothing, said Andre, who lives

1012
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: next door. He told this to the local press. The

1013
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: people who did this, they must know the area, because

1014
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: I mean again, I went to street view. It's really rural.

1015
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: Rural.

1016
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: Obviously it's gorgeous and I want to go there, but

1017
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 2: it's it's real.

1018
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: Do you think if you put up like sound dampening

1019
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 3: cloth around you, you could be able to use a

1020
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: metal grind or cut through and nobody would hear anything.

1021
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: I don't. I think. I don't know how big the

1022
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 2: property was, but probably if you do something like that,

1023
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 2: although I don't know. If it's really really quiet and night,

1024
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: you can hear that stuff pretty far away. But I think

1025
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: that's why they used like clippers for the barbed wire,

1026
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: and then the crowbarts not too loud. One hundred wheels

1027
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: of cheese stolen were worth about fifty thousand dollars, okay,

1028
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: and as far as I can tell, the cheese was

1029
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: never recovered.

1030
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: Every time I know, and when it is, they just

1031
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: give it away.

1032
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: Well, they assumed that it was cut into smaller pieces

1033
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: and maybe sold to restaurants or just.

1034
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: From the black market.

1035
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you're eating that around there, you're probably

1036
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: stolen cheese. And since all this is starting to sound

1037
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: a lot like art heists, let's go to the Netherlands. Ooh,

1038
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: in the town of Fignart On March twenty ninth, twenty

1039
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: twenty two, Gerda van Dorp and her husband juiced juiced, juiced, Yes,

1040
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: the juice is loosed. They're Dutch cheese farmers. They woke

1041
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: up and they headed out to work on their farm.

1042
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: They made their way down to the cheese storage room,

1043
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: just like you know homeboy over in France. They wanted

1044
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: to admire their hard work.

1045
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 3: Of course, just like taking a good gander at the

1046
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 3: cheese totally.

1047
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: Just like the dude in France cupboard was bear.

1048
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 3: Oh no, juiced, why we are missing our cheeses.

1049
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: So sometime in the night thieves snatched one hundred and

1050
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: sixty one wheels of cheese. That's thirty five hundred pounds

1051
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: of it. Valued it twenty three one thousand dollars. It's

1052
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 2: not as pricey as French or then really Italian.

1053
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: You know, they make a good like peasant cheese, Gerda.

1054
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 2: She said, quote it was like waking up in a movie. Really, Gerda,

1055
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 2: what movies do you watch? So the thieves they also

1056
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 2: stole a trailer and two wheelbarrows which were discovered nearby,

1057
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: so they use them as tools. Yeah, Gerda figured the

1058
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: cheese burglars had been monitoring her farm for a while,

1059
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: and the robbery happened the one night that the gate

1060
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: to the property was left open because there was going

1061
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 2: to be an overnight milk delivery.

1062
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: Oh I wonder if neighbors Yeah.

1063
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: Or juiced her husband?

1064
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sold, there's any pigs. No, there's no hamburglar.

1065
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: Don't try to keep over here.

1066
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you. Don't throw it so like

1067
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: the Italian cheese. The Dutch cheese is marked with the

1068
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 2: name of the farm, logo, serial number, but that doesn't

1069
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: matter on the black market bird. No one's been caught,

1070
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: cheese never recovered. What's your ridiculous takeaway?

1071
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 3: Apparently I need to get into cheese crime, I think

1072
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 3: so I wouldn't get caught, get back into crime. Nobody

1073
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 3: would know. It's a little subtle ease back. It is

1074
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 3: like dipping your toe in.

1075
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: The passed out on the country roads.

1076
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 3: Cheese crimes. It's cool. They catch me, they just give

1077
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: the cheese away anyway, no harm, no foul, Insurance takes

1078
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 3: care of it. Nobody gets hurt. I gained a little weight,

1079
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 3: little cheese. I got some cheese burps. Whatever, you know,

1080
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 3: no problem. Take away in all honesty is there's not

1081
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 3: enough of these crimes. I would think that there would

1082
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 3: be more food crimes. There are no, But I mean,

1083
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 3: like you could definitely do volume two through nine. But

1084
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: I mean it's that like I thought there'd be more

1085
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: specific food crimes rather than like, oh, we just took

1086
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 3: everything we could from this place, so all we went

1087
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 3: in and just like you know, basically pillage. I was

1088
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 3: thinking like specific, like if somebody went in and took

1089
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 3: like Paris Hilton steak.

1090
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 2: Oh you want celebrit be crime.

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Speaker 3: No not, I'm just using her as a name that

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Speaker 3: we've thrown in the way in the past. But I

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Speaker 3: mean it's just somebody who was like I would love

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Speaker 3: to hear about like Russell Crowe getting his lunch.

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Speaker 2: Do you want celebrity food crimes to get people?

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Speaker 3: I could say my neighbors names. You don't know them, though.

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Speaker 3: I just want something where it's like somebody went in

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Speaker 3: to go get their specific pie, Like like, okay, how

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Speaker 3: about this a pie eating contest winner is a turns

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Speaker 3: out he's using performance enhancing drugs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well that's a kind of food crime you I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about.

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Speaker 3: All right, I'll come back with you two I'm.

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Speaker 2: Not all on you perfect that's it for today.

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Speaker 3: I like those.

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Speaker 2: You can find us online at ridiculous crime dot com.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnette,

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Speaker 2: produced and edited by Cheese Some to the Stars Dave Cousten.

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Speaker 2: Research is by Marissa Badass, Verada Brown and Andrea Criminal

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Speaker 2: producers are Ben Brebandit Bolin and Noel Cheddarchaser.

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