1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. This is the All Ball Podcast, All Basketball, 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: All the Time. I'm Doug Gottlieb, and I got a 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: bunch of little topics to get to before we'll get 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: to our guest of the week. He is Brad Davidson. 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: He is the point guard, he is the leader. He's 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: the coach on the floor. Wait, do you hear how 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: much of a coach on the floor he is for 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: the Wisconsin Bajors of the Big Ten. We're getting close 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: to selection Sunday, and let me debunk a couple of 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: things for you. Okay, there's this, uh, there's this word 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: that we use. It's called strength or three yours we used. 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: It's called strength of schedule. The acronym is s O 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: S strength of schedule. And I love when some of 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: my friends send to me things about programs that I 15 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: really enjoy, that I like and their strength of schedule. Now, 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: I've been doing this long enough so that you can 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: you can check my work on this if you'd like. 18 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: You go back to two thousand nine nine and St. 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: Mary's played what was an incredibly lowly raised like three 20 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: hundreds in the strength of schedule. Now, some of it 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: was and I remember the year, specifically because they played 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: a Southern Illinois and it was Southern Illinois first year 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: in like a decade where they weren't any good and 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: so you know, part of it was just the reality of, hey, 25 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: I get that the schedule looks bad, but if you 26 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: look at it, they tried to schedule good teams. Just 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: some of the teams that they normally scheduled weren't that good. 28 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: So I I do give did you play away from home? 29 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: Did you play in a in a tournament if you could, 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: did you challenge yourself? If we look at it as 31 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: reasonable sports fans, we don't need a number of strength 32 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: of schedule. But here's the other thing. So this year 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: Saint Mary's strength of schedule is like thirty eight I believe, 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: or thirty third, Like it's really really high. And while 35 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: in two thousand nine they defended their low ranked strength 36 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: of schedule because I thought the reality was it was 37 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: a lot stronger and they didn't lose any of those games. 38 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: This year, this is let me read for This is St. 39 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: Mary's non conference McNeese State, Utah Valley, New Mexico State, 40 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: which is actually a pretty good win. Utah State, Mississippi State, Harvard, UC, Irvine, Cal, Bethune, Cookman, 41 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: New Mexico, Cal State, fort In, L s U, buck Now, 42 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: West Kentucky, San Jose State, UM, San Jose States. Terrible. 43 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: They're just terrible this year. They've been mostly terrible since 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: joined the Mountain West Cal up until the last two games. 45 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: I've got two game winning streak. They've been terrible as well. 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: But that's a big game for St. Mary's to get 47 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: Cal to come into their building, you know, which is 48 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: ten minutes down the road. The schedule is good, it's outstanding, 49 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: you know. The problem is Utah States an n C 50 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: A tournament team. They lost by seventeen points. Mississippi State 51 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: they played, uh, they lost by four points, probably a 52 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: tournament team. Harvard, Harvard, they lost you by six at home. 53 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: You see, Irvine they lost to a tournament team by 54 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: five points, and L. S U beat them by four points. Now, 55 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: if you want to see that they those are close losses. 56 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm okay with that, you know, I'm okay the fact 57 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: that they didn't get blown out, although I can hold 58 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: it against I mean, I remember Michigan made the tournament 59 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and they had eleven losses. 60 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: Of ten or more points, Like, that's not a good team. 61 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: But you can tell me all this do you want 62 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: about strength of schedule for St. Mary's. Here's the problem. 63 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: They didn't beat any of the good teams. They lost 64 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: to West Kentucky as well. They lose the West Kentucky, 65 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: lose the Irvine, lose to Harvard, lose Misissippi State, lose 66 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: to Utah State, lose the l s U. In other words, 67 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: all of the good teams on that strength, Like, hey, 68 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: we got a great strength of schedule. Cool, did you 69 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: beat any of those teams? And they're not alone in that. 70 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: You know, uh, Indiana is is a bubble team, right 71 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: because they beat Michigan State twice. But they've lost twelve 72 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: or the last fifth teen games. And you can tell 73 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: me how good there. Look at the two look at 74 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: the Tier one wins, Like all we're doing is recreating 75 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: the RPI and making seventy five instead of fifty and 76 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: the big tennis smart. Playing twenty games is smart. You 77 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: get you get a chance to double up on on 78 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: the Tier one wins. But they lost. Northwestern is not 79 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: good this year at home, they lost the Rutgers, they 80 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: lost to who else? They lost I mean, you go 81 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: through the list, You're like, well, they lost to the 82 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: bottom of the league. All right, so congratulations on beating 83 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: Michigan State. But you know, we know kind of who 84 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: we are. We we we get it. And I also 85 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: know that we have to find enough teams to play 86 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: play the n s A tournament. But when you lose 87 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: to Ohouse State at home, when you lose by twenty 88 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: one in Minnesota on the road, when you lose to 89 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: Rutgers and the Northwestern Northwestern is not good this year. 90 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: You lose to Nebraska, and granted that was back when 91 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: Nebraska was healthy by by fifteen point. You lose all 92 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: those games, Like what are we what are we sitting here? 93 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: We're saying that because because back in November four, you 94 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: beat Marquette at home by twenty three points, Like that's 95 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: who you are? Like, all right, you also lost Arkansas, 96 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: you got smacked by Duke, You beat Louisville by one point, 97 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: Like we're supposed to be crazy impressed by a team 98 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: that's lost twelve out of fifteen games. My answer is no. Now, 99 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: maybe this all becomes mood because Illinois beats them at home, 100 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: and Illinois suddenly hops in on some wild bubble discussion, 101 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: But I struggle to put a team. I I could 102 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: not put a team that loses twelve of fifteen games 103 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: in the n c A A termain, even if two 104 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: of the two of those three wins were against Michigan State, 105 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: that's and they're both close games. Would screen to me 106 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: that matchups help them and empirically good teams should get 107 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: in the n A termin more so than matchup based 108 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: good teams. So look, when you make your arguments about 109 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: who belongs in who doesn't belong in the n s 110 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: A tournament, Like, I just don't understand why we can't 111 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: have people who call up the resume and look at 112 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: it on TV and look at the teams, and look 113 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: at did you did you try and schedule out of 114 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: conference on the road? Obviously based upon what team you are? 115 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: You know, like everybody in the Big ten can't get 116 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: into a big time tournament. But did you try and 117 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: get into some sort of tournament? Did you? Did you 118 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: challenge yourself? And then how'd you do? And do the 119 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: losses correlate with an injured player? And what are you 120 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,559 Speaker 1: playing like? Now? Have you gotten better as the season 121 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: has gone on? I think all of that matters. I 122 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: really do. I do. They don't ask me how to 123 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: pick the sixty eight teams, but I'll share with you 124 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: what I would do, which is I would get the 125 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: room full of guys who have played coach administrated, you know, 126 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: even analyze college basketball, and let's just go through the 127 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: teams and put them up on a board. I think 128 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: the more you have rankings and stats and ever, the 129 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: more you get confused by him because some of them 130 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: make no sense and there can be some statistical outliers 131 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: to help them. All. Right, let me quickly get you 132 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: to the NBA. Let's start with the Lakers. You know, 133 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of blame to be handed out, and 134 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: I would easily hand out the blame on Lebron James's plate. 135 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: The reason is not because of how he played before 136 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: he got hurt, and many times a way in which 137 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: he plays offensively since we're picking apart his defense, and 138 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: his defense would be made better if Lonzo Ball hadn't 139 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: gotten hurt, because you know, Alonzo is that good. I 140 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: do think a portion of it is on Lebron in 141 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: terms of buy into coach, buy into teammates. On the 142 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: other hand, why is this roster so flawed, they didn't 143 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: get enough shooters. They had a stretch five in brook Lopez. 144 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: They chose to let him go. Look at how good 145 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: a season he's had, how important he is to open 146 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,559 Speaker 1: up space for for Janice, even the mid season trade 147 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: of Zoobach, Like Zubach is the starting center, he's twenty 148 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: one years old. You give him from Mike Muscala or speed, 149 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 1: You give him up for a guy who Reggie Bullock, 150 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: who's slow. He's not a dynamic shooter. You know, it's 151 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: not like he's played playoff basketball. You know how he's 152 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna press playing with Lebron Like, I just 153 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: don't think this has been a very well run deal. 154 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: And I like Luke Walton, but you put Luke in 155 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: a really tough situation. And anytime somebody came out and 156 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: said something negative about Luke, why didn't you have his back? 157 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: Luke one is our coach. If these guys have any 158 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: problem they're bringing up with Luke Walton, but you didn't. 159 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: And now you gotta mess. You know, now, in order 160 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: to get Anthony Davis, you gotta overpay. And once you do, yes, 161 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: you get rid of some youth. But branding has been 162 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: playing good basketball. Kyle Kuzbick can really score. Lonzo Ball 163 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: is a terrific player. I don't know. And oh yeah, 164 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: by the way, Lebron is not gonna get younger. It's 165 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: not gonna get balanced. Here's not gonna play the pick 166 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: and roll better. He may shoot it better because you 167 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: don't have to move as much. But look at his content. 168 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: His contemporaries are Dwyane Wade, who's gonna retire, Carmelo Anthony, 169 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: who you know might join the team and might not. 170 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: He's like the last of the Mohicans from his his 171 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: his his draft class. Of course he's gonna look slower. 172 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: Of course, he's gonna struggle to defense, struggle a move, 173 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: and I think he probably needs to lose a little weight. 174 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: He's got a little Hollywood with his workouts. He's not 175 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: wrong that his surrounding cast isn't great. Some of that's 176 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: on him. Some of it's on he and Rich Paul 177 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: where people around the league they don't I want to 178 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: do business with the Lakers, even though normally your guy 179 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: wants to play for Lakers, because they think clutched sports 180 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: is running things. They'll determine starting lineup coach, and guys 181 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: just don't want to deal with it. Last thing is this, 182 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: here's where Lebron does need to be accountable. He got hurt. 183 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: You've heard the stories, was hanging around the team, showing 184 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: up late to games, had a goblet of wine in 185 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: his hand. I was told from people sitting close that 186 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: he was he was seeing texting. You know, just a 187 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: lack of buying. If you get hurt and you're the leader, 188 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: and you're really committed to making it work, then you 189 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: should be at practice and you should help coach. That's 190 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: Rondo did. That's not what Lebron did. I know. Yeah. 191 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: By the way, Rondo and Lebron had the have the 192 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: lowest had the lowest p p P as a tandem 193 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: of any tandem. With Lebron on the Lakers, Rondo is 194 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: inability to guard, inability to make shots, inability to do 195 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: much anything offensively limits them. They their offensive rady one hundred, 196 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: like just over one hundred when those two are on 197 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: the floor together, as opposed to one eight point one 198 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: when it's Lebron on the floor without Genrondo. And then 199 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: there's this The Celtics are coming into l A. We 200 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: just saw them beat the Golden State Warriors. We make 201 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: a huge deal about, and rightfully so, about Carrie Irving 202 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: his level of happiness. Did you make thirty million dollars 203 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: a year, you started a movie that you got to direct, produce, etcetera. 204 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: Get happy? But lost in it is maybe Gordon Hayward's 205 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: the key, key to the whole thing. He had thirty 206 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: against the Warriors. He had a lot of bounds in 207 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: his step. And when he shoots over forty over fifty percent, 208 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,479 Speaker 1: they've only lost two games all year. When he shoots under, 209 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: there's seventeen and twenty two. I think Gordon Hayward's improvement, 210 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: Gordon Haywan's ability to play uh through through this kind 211 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: of learning year, how he does in the playoffs, that 212 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: determines their success far more so than Kyrie Irving. All right, 213 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: let's get you to Brad Davison. He's the point guard 214 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: for the University of Wisconsin. All right, so let's welcome 215 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: him in. He's Brad Davidson. Not sure if you knew 216 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: he was a quarterback in high school. If Brad Davidson 217 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: joins us here in the All Ball Podcast, um okay. 218 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: So look, among the legendary things about you and your upbringing. 219 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: Everyone seems to know because like, look, we all do 220 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: this broadcasting thing, we'll have to retell the same stories 221 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: over and over again. You were, in fact, a really 222 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: good high school quarterback. How good were you? Yes started 223 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: back in the day I've played football. Umah, it's pretty good. 224 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: I didn't really start taking football seriously until my sophomore 225 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: year when I got to starting job at my high 226 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: school at the quarterback spot. My best year was definitely 227 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: my senior year. My team had a really successful three years, 228 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: which of the state term in every year always came 229 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: up short. So that's one of my biggest regrets from 230 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: high school is not getting that state championship. Um. But 231 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, football will always have a place in my 232 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: heart for sure. All Right, you played for Maple Grove 233 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: in uh in Minnesota, Like we're actually in Minnesota is 234 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: Maple Grove So it's a northwest suburb just about twenty 235 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: minutes outside the city. Okay, So you you like hardcore Vikings, Twins, 236 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: Tea Wolves like those are your squads or or did 237 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: you diversify because you know there are times which your 238 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: your local teams weren't that good and so you root 239 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: for whoever was the best. I've always been a big 240 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: Vikings fan. Some of Vikings stands through and through, even 241 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: though everyone here in Wisconsin is trying to trying to 242 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: make me jump sides of the Packers. So I'm staying 243 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: true to the Vikings. I've never been a big Twins 244 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: or Cheholes fans. Never never really was a big MLB 245 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: or NBA guy. Um. But actually also in the NFL, 246 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: my sister's husband as a linebacker for the Steelers, so 247 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: the Steelers have kind of been my, uh my go 248 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: to team the last couple of years too. All right, 249 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: let's let's talk some Vikings really quickly. What's it like 250 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: when you're a kid outside of Minneapolis in the suburbs 251 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: and Brett Farve, who's the rival who you hate? Is 252 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: your quarterback? Like that's part of that's got to be 253 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: part of like you remember of your childhood, Do you 254 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: remember what that was like? I remember so being a quarterback. 255 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: I always loved watching, you know, all the great quarterbacks 256 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: at farts, I do one of the greatest. So my 257 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: my hate for him was only because he was for 258 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: the Packers. Um. So that was definitely more of a 259 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: respect respectful hatred but when he came to Vikings, you know, 260 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: I seed him with welcoming arms and open arms because 261 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: that was kind of always the piece you're missing at 262 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: the quarterback position. Um. So I went from a not 263 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: kind of a secret Ret far fan to a very 264 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: open Bret far fan during those couple of years. All Right, 265 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: So you grew up in Minneapolis. I've seen pictures. You 266 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: had a little little sport court at the house, right, yes, sir, um, okay, 267 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: So when like it was that did did your your 268 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: dad put that in at some point? Was it all? 269 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: Would you always have a court there? When? When do 270 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: you remember that court going in at the house? So 271 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: that one in when my sisters were in like seventh 272 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: and fifth grade, so just getting out of elementary school 273 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: and I was just starting elementary school. Um, so he 274 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: put that in. My parents put that in, and we 275 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: were out there every day in the summer. I'd go 276 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: out there before school after school. Um, usually playing one 277 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: on one or horse against my sisters. Least always beat 278 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: me up growing up from a basketball court. When did 279 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: you start beating them? About seventh grade is where I 280 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: could start beating them in one on one? So they 281 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: actually both played basketball in Northern Iowa. UM, and they 282 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: were six years and four years older than me, respectively. 283 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: It's about seventh grade, so I can start beat him 284 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: in one on one, but they could still beat me 285 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: in horse up until the high school years and then 286 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: I kind of took over that title. So I have 287 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: a I have a nine year old son, and he's 288 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: like he's got a baby step now. He's like all 289 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: into hoops. He plays football, he plays baseball as well. Um, 290 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: when you like, when did you know you're growing up 291 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: you're playing all these different sports. Do you remember what 292 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: it was like in fourth, fifth, sixth grade? Like what 293 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: what you thought you wanted to be, who you thought 294 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: you were going to be, who you idolized, and and 295 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: what you thought ultimately would play out. So I have 296 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: always wanted to be a college basketball coach. Um. So 297 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: I was always coached by my parents growing up. My 298 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: parents coached my sisters growing up, So I was always 299 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: around the game kind of from a on the bench, 300 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: from a coach's perspective, And that's kind of what I've 301 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: always wanted to do because I knew I wanted to 302 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: be a college basketball coach. Basketball is kind of always 303 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: in the back of my mind growing up with what 304 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to do in college. But I remember in 305 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: the fourth, fifth, sixth grade, it was for me, it 306 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: was just all about competing. Um. I love competition where 307 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: it was a sports card games, you know, who could 308 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: who could get to the dinner table first. I was 309 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: just trying to win everything, um, growing up because a 310 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: basketball is kind of always in the back of my mind. 311 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: But again, it was just about competition at that point. 312 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: You mentioned your mom because I know your mom coached 313 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: you as well, kind of kind of growing up. Who's 314 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: a better what's different about your mom and your dad 315 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: as a coach? Who I would say my mom is 316 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: probably a little bit more intense. I'd say my dad's 317 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: kind of the more patient, laid back coach. My mom's 318 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: the more Um. Neither neither were yellers, they're more UM. 319 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: I was always coached by my by my by my 320 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: mom in third, fourth and fifth grade. UM, so I 321 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: was very young, so she couldn't necessarily yell at at 322 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: that age. But she coached both my sisters growing up, 323 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: and then my dad had me from fifth through ninth grade. 324 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: So I don't know who would say it would be better, 325 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: but they definitely have contrasting styles to say the least. 326 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: Do you remember when you took your first charge? Oh? 327 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: Third and fourth grade? Fourth grade? I was watching my sisters. 328 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: My one sister never took a charge. My other sister 329 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: always took charges. Um, So growing up I was always 330 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: um watching them and seeing what they're doing. And actually 331 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: cool think about my parents is every time they love charges. 332 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: So whenever someone on their team would take a charge, 333 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: they reward them with the Dairy Queen blizzard. Um. So 334 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: back of that days, you know, I loved ice cream. 335 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: So whatever you could do to get a blizzard chocolate vanilla. 336 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: But what was your blizzard order? Cookie dough? Oreo Blizzards? 337 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: Still to this day it I mean, listen, I I 338 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: can't you can't. I can't fault you for any of that. Right. 339 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: That's like, do you like Coo or do you like Oreo? 340 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: And the answer is yes, The answer the answer is yes. 341 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: The the answer is yes. Okay, So you're growing up 342 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: in the Twin Cities. You dream of coaching college basketball. 343 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: Who's your favorite team growing up? Um? Growing up, I 344 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: was always I just see the tickets for the go first, um, 345 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: and I was always at all those games. I just 346 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: loved the Big Ten. So I watched all the Big 347 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: Ten games. And then my grandpa and my dad were 348 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: big Duke fans growing up, so I was also a 349 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: big Duke fans. So I'd say the Big Ten and 350 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: Duke were my two favorite UM basketball teams in the 351 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: basketball leagues growing up. Yeah, I was. I was a 352 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: Duke guy growing up as well. I grew up in 353 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: southern California. My we had we had U c l 354 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: A season tickets and my my brother and sister went there. 355 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: But that was when I was like in high school. 356 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: So I like them, but like Duke had Bobby Hurley 357 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: was like my idol, and they were awesome. I actually 358 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: saw them in a national championship at in in Minneapolis. 359 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: I was there. That was back to back time. My 360 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: my father was there as well. Yeah it was. It 361 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: was pretty awesome. Um, and so I was so. And 362 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: then Taias goes, Tias Jones goes to Duke and then 363 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: his brothers there as well. Like, did you ever and 364 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: you had good grades on the Stanford recruit you did 365 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: they ever talk to you at all? Um? Yes, sir. So, 366 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: my last my summer in the U, I blaft for 367 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: my junior or I had to coach Tire quite a bit, um, 368 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: and they were definitely on my short list when I 369 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: came to making my decision. Um, and I was Trey 370 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: Jones is one of my best friends growing up. I 371 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: played with him since about sixth grade and I was 372 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: always really close to the Jones family. I'm gonna play 373 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: with a great trend junior growing up, so I was 374 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: always um sharing tias on from a far too. So 375 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: I've always grew up with Duke stand But when it 376 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: came down to I didn't want to go that far 377 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: away from home, and I always kind of envisioned myself 378 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: playing somewhere in the Big TENA. It's interesting, though, there's 379 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: all these Minneapolis guys and you know between you read Travis, uh, Tias, Trey, 380 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: Like I know recently they've got some some guys, but 381 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: everyone's gone elsewhere. I know it. Look it's and like 382 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: we we like national wise, you know, we like to 383 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: talk about like trends whatever. I do think everybody's decision 384 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,719 Speaker 1: is different unto themselves. But why is it that so 385 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: many Minneapolis kids go elsewhere to play college basketball? Um? 386 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I think it's definitely different. 387 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: Everyone kind of has their um different journey. They go 388 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: to the recruiting process. UM, I think it's all about fit. 389 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's about fit, whether it's playing style, culture 390 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: or whatever you're kind of looking for. UM. You know, 391 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: me as abviously have a great program. They got a 392 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: lot of good um you know, with Jarvis and Dan 393 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: and Gabe coming in seen class. UM. You know, I 394 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: think everyone kind of has their own journey. For me personally, 395 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: I kind of always sawn myself at Wisconsin growing up 396 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: with a team that I was kind of had my 397 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: eye on. UM. But you know, when it comes down 398 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: to everyone has their own journey. So that's just my 399 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: my story, I guess. So what was what was your 400 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: recruiting process? Like, okay, so here's I'll give you mine, 401 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: then you give me yours. Okay, So I'm in California. 402 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: I was a hold back kid. So my my junior 403 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: you're going to my junior year. UM. I still had 404 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: not yet developed into where I was definite high major. 405 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: I remember Florida and Virginia were the two high major 406 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: zombie This is mid nineties. They were both really good programs. 407 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: Florid actually went to the final four and I was like, 408 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: you know, because they're the first ones in. Everybody else 409 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: was like Northern Iowa, West Kentucky, those type of programs 410 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: in mid majors, and they're the first high majors. And 411 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I'm really into them. And then 412 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: summer before my senior year, I kind of blew up 413 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: and circled back to U c L A, but I 414 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: was still a little bitter they hadn't offered me earlier. 415 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: Ended up going to I end up going to Notre 416 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: Dame because I wanted to start as a freshman. I 417 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: want to play in the Big East. I like the 418 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: idea of an academic school. I had a great time 419 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: of my visit. Felt like dudes, I could hang out 420 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: with what what was your process? Like? Yeah, but pretty similar. UM. 421 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: Going into my last summer, I was kind of on 422 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: that bubble between high major and mid major. UM. I 423 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: had five operas going into my last summer UM Northern 424 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: Iowa Fulkota State School UM, and I had a really 425 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: good last summer on the U b L circuit. UM. 426 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: I played with how fully with Trey Jones, the O 427 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: John Gage Tren Jr. And we had a really successful 428 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 1: season as a team and individually. UM ended up. That's 429 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: why I kind of blew up and got my high 430 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: major offers. Ended up getting over thirty offers, which was 431 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: a blessing in a lot of ways. So that was 432 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 1: kind of when I got all my high major looks. UM. 433 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: And then I kind of came down to I had 434 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: a top seven with Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, or Western Duke, Stanford, 435 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: and Harvard. UM, we're kind of what I narrowed it 436 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: down to. And I took kind of I went through 437 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: an unofficial visit tour where I drove to all the 438 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: Midwest schools with my parents. UM, I got to see 439 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: all of them, and I took an official visit to Stanford. 440 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: Oh so so down, so down. Okay, So the unofficial 441 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: visits you went to okay, sound good? Which one did 442 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: you go to? I went to Michigan. Okay, so well, 443 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: give me give me as we go through Michigan. One 444 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: thing about Michigan that you remember most go Michigan, Um, 445 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: obviously just the tradition of the program. I'd say one 446 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: of the funniest memories. I was on the golf cart 447 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: with Coach b Line and my parents and you ran 448 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: into a stop sign Um. That's definitely one thing that 449 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: I remember for like physically ran with the with the 450 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: golf cart. Ran we ran the golf cart into was 451 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: because he was talking to you guys or he just yeah, 452 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: we were in the middle of a conversation and then 453 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: it just hit boom and then that was. That was 454 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: definitely one thing I'll always remember. Um. And then just 455 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: again I'm a I'm a big football guy, you know, 456 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: the walk around the big house and just go on 457 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: the field. Um with my dad. That was something always 458 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: remember as well. Did you meet Harba? I did not, 459 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: he was not in town, but we got to see 460 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: all the different on the football locker room and all 461 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: the different traditions they have there as well. So beautiful 462 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: facilities there. So when I visited Notre Dame, I never 463 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: forget this. So Lou Holtz was the coach, right, and 464 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: so what they do is they bring in you'd meet 465 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: the president of the school who's a big bag. He 466 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: actually was a basketball player and so he knew everything 467 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: about you. And then you go down you go and 468 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: then you get ready for the football pep rally which 469 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: they have um in the arena, and they were they 470 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: were playing Michigan actually in football the next day and 471 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: lou Holtz comes in and he knew and I mean 472 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: I know they prepped him whatever, but he literally knew 473 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: everything about you. And he come in and go that 474 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: guy made great to meet your point guard Owens County Setting, California. 475 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: You pay for Andy grown right, he's a good coach. 476 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: You get good football program. Dare we need it? We 477 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 1: need it. We need a quarterback on a basketball program. 478 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: We wanted to be that guy right. Like it was. 479 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: It was like amazing, Like lou Holtz is recruited me. 480 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: It was amazing. Okay, So okay, so you go from 481 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: Mission Northwestern. Um, now this is when you visit Northwestern. 482 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: He didn't have the arena redone, but you know, Chris 483 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: has kind of got this thing rolling a little bit. 484 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: What do you remember about your visit to Northwestern? Yeah, 485 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: I just remember, um, just kind of the family atmosphere 486 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: on the program. You know, they had a lot of 487 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: their family there and we just sent it a lot 488 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: of time together. You know, I'm a big family guy, 489 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: so both my parents were there and just the community. Um, 490 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: just being around the coaches and their families and getting 491 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: to meet a lot of the players. I gotta meet 492 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: coach fits at Northwestern and the way room, so I 493 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: did get to meet him there. But again, another beautiful 494 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: campus right there in the lake. Um that was kind 495 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: of right when they were getting things roll on? Did 496 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: you have the did you read it yet? But I 497 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: gotta see all the blueprint for it? Did you did 498 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: you meet that crazy strength coach guy that the assistant 499 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: strength coach guy? Have you seen that guy on Twitter? 500 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: Like where you get? I don't. I don't remember seeing him. 501 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's probably in the weight room because I 502 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: was in there quite a bit, but at that time 503 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: he hadn't he hadn't blown up on the on Twitter 504 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: for his side by The impression stuff is amazing, right, 505 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: there's a classic assistant strength coach guy, right, classic assistance um. 506 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: But but like the problem with the Northwestern thing is 507 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: like you wanna but like you want to buy in? Right, 508 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure Chris loved you and you connected there. Like, man, 509 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: it's hard to like when you're looking at Michigan and 510 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: they have b line and they've been to a national championship, 511 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: and you look at Wisconsin and coach guard part of 512 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: the they've been of two final fours and you're like 513 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: Northwestern and it's a it's a hard, it's a hard. Okay, 514 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: So where else did you drive? Uh? That we went 515 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: to dayton Um when Coach Miller was there before I 516 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: went to Indiana, and then we went to Butler where 517 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: coach Holtman was before I went to the House State. Yeah, 518 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: I love both. I like both those guys. Holt I 519 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: really really really like although and that how cool is now? 520 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: Are you? Do you like? Hoosiers? Is like I showed 521 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: it to my son and there are things that he doesn't. 522 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: He's like, this is this does not look like basketball today? 523 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: Likes Who's yours is? Who's Your's your jam? Or is 524 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: it a little dated for you? I grew up watching 525 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: all those movies. I love the Hoosiers. I love Coach 526 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: carter Um, all those movies I loved watching, obviously the 527 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: Bobby Knights stories that the Indiana Hoosiers. Um, it's big time. 528 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: And I had never really seen Indiana before until we 529 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: actually just played there. Um, it don'tly Hall is amazing, 530 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: you know. I was just telling somebody how steep the 531 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: arena is crazy? Like who who's sitting in that upper 532 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who would sitting in that upper deck? Right? 533 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: Why would you pay money to sit that upper deck 534 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: is so far from the court, It's crazy, But they 535 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: do and they go nuts, right, I would I would 536 00:25:54,760 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: settle for sitting on a couch and watching it on TV. Okay, So, uh, 537 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: Butler or Dayton is pretty cool. I mean that arena's 538 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: obviously historic and and they had good they got good 539 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: facilities as well. One memory about Dayton go day and 540 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: I would say, just being around all the guys, um, 541 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, they're kind of with me for the whole visit, 542 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: and then getting to watch UM I work out that 543 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: Coach Miller put one of the kids through. UM. Just 544 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: kind of the intensity and the passion that they had 545 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: around their program. Um, you can see kind of how 546 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: he built that program just on passion and drive inspire 547 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: and that was really really awesome to see. And then Butler, UM, well, 548 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: hinkle Field House was incredible too. That kind of has 549 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: that historic feel just like Assembly UM. And then Coach 550 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: Trogy was one of their assistants. UM, who's now with 551 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: who I was staying and he was actually recruiting me 552 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: at Stanford earlier. So I had a good relationship with him, 553 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: So just getting to meet him and be around him 554 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: and uh kind of hear about the historic aspect of 555 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: hinkle Field Holf was super impressive as well. So why 556 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: did you go to Wisconsin? Wisconsin was kind of always 557 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: being a fan of the Big Ten growing up. UM 558 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: kind of in that era, Wisconsin always kind of seemed 559 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: to be at the top, and so I always wanted 560 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: to compete for Big Ten championships and get a chance 561 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: to go to Final four UM. And when I was 562 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: in eighth grade, I had the opportunity to come to 563 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: the Wisconsin team camp with Howard Bully and that was 564 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: the first time that I had really met coach Guard 565 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: and so he was kind of the first high major 566 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: coach I ever talked to, and actually the first first 567 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: coach to offer me UM was that health coacht date 568 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: was coach Krabanof. And so then when coach Krabnof became 569 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: an assistant here in my junior it kind of took 570 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: my two first coaches that I had ever talked to 571 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: in the recruiting process and brought them together, and that 572 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: kind of that deealed the deal for me because coach 573 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: Krabnow was kind of always then my guy, Yeah, Crabby 574 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: was at h I think South Dakota State and U. Yeah, 575 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: I did their games and we we reminisced about Wisconsin. 576 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 1: I knew ultimately he would he would end up back there. Okay, 577 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: So what was your signing day? Like? Did you have 578 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: were you in the gym or did you just do it, 579 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: you know quietly? Like what was your Maple Grove? You're 580 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: a football star, you're a basketball star. It's a big 581 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: thing to sign in the Big Ten, and to sign 582 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: at Wisconsin. They've had a lot of the Minnesota kids, 583 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: in Minneapoli kids go there. What was your signing daylight? Yes, 584 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: So I didn't do any of the videos or the 585 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: big announcement um. I just tweeted mine, just tweeted my commitment. UM. 586 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: And I called all the coaches that I was getting 587 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: recruited by before I did that, just to thank them 588 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: for their time and thank them for going to the 589 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: Korean Pussles with me. But my signing days, I actually 590 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: signed with a couple a few others from my high school. 591 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: It was just on signing day in our gym. One 592 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: of my best friends, his name is Charlie Horton. He 593 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: was actually signed to be a picture at the Gophers 594 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: UM and there was a girl named Tyler went to 595 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: who was signed to be hockey player at the Gophers UM. 596 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: So I signed with a couple of Gophers and then 597 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: I went to Wisconsin. But it was cool get all 598 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: the you know, the local media and all our friends 599 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: and families game Who's Who's the hardest phone call to make? 600 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: Like who is the guy you connected? You really connected with, 601 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: you really liked you, just like, yeah, I just I didn't. 602 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: I didn't. I thought I'd fit in better at Wisconsin. 603 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: My first phone call was definitely the hardest. UM to 604 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: coach Jacobson at the University of othern Iowa. UM. So 605 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: with both my sisters there, I've known him, you know, 606 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: ever since sixth grade and even in ex credit glos, 607 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna play her someday, and so I 608 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: always have had their relationship with him. UM, and I 609 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: got really close with all the coaches, truth through trust, 610 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: through recruiting process, just because I'm a very I'm very 611 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: much the people person. So I love I love communication 612 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: and just being vulnerable and getting to know one another. UM. 613 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: That was definitely the hardest one. UM. There was a 614 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: lot of tears. Could be about five and a half 615 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: hours to get through all the coaching staff. UM's definitely 616 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 1: one of the hardest days of my life. But you know, 617 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: having the conversation with coach Card and coach Crab, I'm 618 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: not telling him coming here, Um made that day a 619 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: lot better, a lot sweeter. Yeah. Jake's a good friend 620 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: of mine. He's a great dude, like with the best 621 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: thing about that man. Best thing about Jake is I 622 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: call like their their first, his first like nationally televised 623 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: game when he took over for McDermott um. They just 624 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: they just opened them the Cloud Center. And I'll never forget. 625 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: Like he comes by the table like I we'd hung 626 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: out a couple of days the day before I we 627 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: he and I lifted weights together, hung out with him 628 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: and his family, and he comes by the table right 629 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: before the game. It's a big game. I can't remember 630 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: they're playing, said on conference game, but it was some 631 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: something that I was back working to ESPN and they'd 632 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: set up. Anyway, comes by the table and he goes hey, Applebee's, 633 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, Like what he's like, No, Applebe's. 634 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: We go to Applebee's after the game. I was likely 635 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,479 Speaker 1: and he's like yeah, He's like, no, listen, We're going 636 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: to Applebee's after the game and has some beers. It's 637 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: like okay. I was like, well, what if you lose? 638 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: He's like, where we're gonna we go to Applebee's after 639 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: the game. It was it was literally I don't know 640 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: if you remember when you're a kid, if you played 641 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: like soccer or maybe play football, Like I remember, you know, 642 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: like we're out here in California, we do like shake 643 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: East Pizza after the game and watch the game. It 644 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: was almost like that. It was like, and to this 645 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: now he doesn't go to Applebea's. I forget the place 646 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: that they go do now, but it's kind of the 647 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: same thing, like he's literally the same guy now. And 648 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: now obviously they haven't. They've had a couple of down years. 649 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: They got a great freshman point guard. But um, but 650 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: but even now, even through the success that they've had, 651 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: he's still after the game, like, hey, we're going to 652 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: have a beer afterwards if you want to come, and 653 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: kind of anybody can come. It's not that that's the 654 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: best thing about Some guys change and some guys become 655 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: Some guys become kind of douchey and other guys kind 656 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: of and he's still a kind of a dude from 657 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 1: North Dakota who loves the coach ball and likes people. Right, 658 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: That's the best part about it. He was He was 659 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: the same person from when I was a sixth grader 660 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: running around after women's basketball game, still when I was, um, 661 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, so to this day, whenever I get to 662 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: see him or talking to him, that something I've always 663 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 1: respected about him. Some definitely appreciate it. Don't take for granted. 664 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: All Right, So you show up at at the University 665 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: of Wisconsin and uh, they've made every tournament ever, you know, 666 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: and Greg Guards your coach. Did you come in the summer? 667 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: Do you wait till the fall? I came in the summer. 668 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: So June sixteen, we all reported here for summer workouts 669 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: in summer class and summer in Madison is amazing. It's amazing. 670 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: Like literally, you've got two lakes, You've got girls everywhere, 671 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, you got all the facilities. It's the weather 672 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: is perfect. The weather, the weather is absolutely pristine and perfect. 673 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: What do you what do you remember? Like was there 674 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: a welcome to high major basketball moment early on mm hmm, Yeah, 675 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: Madison summers. You can't beat them. I always say, is 676 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: there's definitely worse places to be stuck in the summer. UM. 677 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: I would say, So, we actually had the opportunity to 678 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: go to UM Australia and New Zealand my first summer 679 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: year for a foreign tour UM. So I'd say, first 680 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: of all, just we got twenty extra hours of practice 681 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: early in the summer and those were intent and I've 682 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: never been in such an intense practice before UM. And 683 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: so we actually had the oportunity to go over the 684 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: foreign tours and just kind of the games the atmosphere 685 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: is obviously wasn't a college atmosphere UM, but just the 686 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: intense to be from our coaching staff and the players, 687 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: everyone being locked in. And I'd say my first kind 688 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: of eye opening experience was definitely on those trips on 689 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: that foreign tour. Yeah. I remember, like I played for 690 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: a really good high school coach and I know you 691 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: played for a great program a you your parents and 692 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: high school. But it's it's really hard to describe to 693 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: people who haven't experienced the difference in the physicality and 694 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: level of intensity in a college practice is there is 695 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: it like it's hard. It's hard to tell people like 696 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: it's so much better and tougher and harder. Correct, Oh, exactly. 697 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: You know. I think everyone talks about the speed and 698 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: the physicality and the athleticism. Um, but I think my 699 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: biggest hurdle was just the mental aspect of it. You know. 700 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the games played between you know, 701 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: your two years, like they say, um, we're just realizing 702 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: that it's still basketball and still remaining confident. Um. I 703 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: think that was the biggest hurdle for me. But it's amazing, 704 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: just a difference, the difference speed and strength. At the 705 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: end of the day, it's still basketball. It's still stay 706 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: played them between the same lines. It's just, uh, everything's 707 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: notched up with quite a bit. When did you first 708 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: hurt your shoulder? So the fourth game of the year, 709 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: we had our Thanksgiving term in Kansas City. Um, it 710 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: was in the second half against Baylor the first time 711 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: that it dislocated, slowly dislocated. And then and when you 712 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,479 Speaker 1: were did you ever watch a lethal weapon movies growing up? 713 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: I didn't, but I've heard the story after Yeah, so 714 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,959 Speaker 1: you're basically I think I think it was Riggs right, 715 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: Mel Gibson's character, he could kind of always pop his 716 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: shoulder back into place, right, He was like if he's 717 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: double joined it or whatever, like that's what you did 718 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: last year, right, Yeah. So after that first time, UM, 719 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: so it's totally dislocated into my chest, so just located forward. UM, 720 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: I went back to the locker room and trainer Henry 721 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: and I got to or when they popped it back in, 722 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: and so then it's just kind of week after you 723 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: pile it back in. Um star had to pass a 724 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: few strength tests if I could go back out there 725 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: and play, and then I finished the game. UM. And 726 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: then throughout the season that putably dislocated nine different times 727 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 1: where I had to go back to the locker room 728 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: and pop it back in. And then it was sub blox, 729 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, one or two times a game where I 730 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: could just put it back in myself where it would 731 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: just kind of perch out. UM. So it's definitely a 732 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: long along struggling a lot of different ways. UM, A 733 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 1: lot of ice, a lot of treatment, a lot of rehab. Um. 734 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: So you know what, it doesn't kill, it makes you stronger. 735 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: So it makes me I definitely appreciate and not take 736 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 1: for granted, but we have going this year, no, no question. UM. 737 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: But as you said, like, look, you dreamed of playing 738 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: college basketball, and throughout your lifetime since you can remember, 739 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: Wisconsin always been in the n C A term like always, right, 740 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: I mean crazy always, since that streak started before I 741 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 1: was alive. I know so too for you on your watch, 742 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: and I know you had injuries on your watch to 743 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: be the point guard of the team that doesn't make 744 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 1: the tournament, what was that like for you? It was tough? 745 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: You know. We always say last year was a struggle. 746 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: There was a struggle lives because of you know, our 747 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: records and injuries we had, um, And people try to 748 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: make excuses for us, but when it came down to it, 749 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: we lost a lot of close games at the end, um, 750 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: regardless of all the injuries we had and who we 751 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: who we had in our team. UM. But it was tough, 752 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, I think especially everyone always says, you know, 753 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: you have four years, you have four years to do 754 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 1: this and do that, but you only have one year 755 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: with the guys in that locker room. UM. And we 756 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: didn't want to send the seniors out with that kind 757 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: of legacy, and especially with the question marks about whether 758 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: or not Easone was gonna come back. We didn't want 759 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: to send him out with that legacy. Um. So definitely hurt. Um. 760 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: It was something that we tried not to talk about 761 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: during the year, but you know, with social media now, 762 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: with everyone around the program, you know, it's it's it's 763 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: hard not to hear about it sometimes. Um. So definitely hurt. 764 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: And it was definitely a struggle that could have, you know, 765 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: for this year, divided us apart and made us out ourselves, 766 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: or it could have brought us cultures together. I think 767 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: it definitely brought us culture together this year and kind 768 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: of just having that sour chase on our mouth, plus 769 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: having everyone back, you don't want to make sure we 770 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: send Ethan out and Khalil out and Charlie out. Um. 771 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 1: You know, with a different legacy that means more than 772 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, the teams and the class that lost the streak. Um. 773 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: You mentioned Ethan, there was a lot of talk in 774 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: college basketball, not that he would go pro, but he 775 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: would graduate and go elsewhere. You guys aren't blind effort dumb. 776 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: How do you how did your re recruit Ethan to 777 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: go like, look, dude, we're we're going to fix this 778 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: you gotta come back. Yeah, you know, I think that 779 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: was kind of more of a thing that kind of 780 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: became evident on social media, And I've never really heard 781 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: it from him that he was thinking about doing that, 782 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: or I never heard it from our coaching staff. We 783 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: just always stayed in contact. I know I did, and 784 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: a few of the guys and obviously our coaches did, 785 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: just checking in. You know, we wanted him to do 786 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: it was best for him, whether that was, um, you know, 787 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: to go to the combine, to come back or whatever. 788 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: It's hard desired. You know, when it comes down to it. 789 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: We're teammates, so you know, we're also a friend, so 790 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: you want to do whatever he thinks is best. Um, 791 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: we're right there with him and we have his back seat. 792 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: Sick and thin. He's got the weirdest game ever, right 793 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: because depressive, it's unbelievable, Like, he's unbelievably productive. He's a 794 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: tremendous passer. He can score in the low post, he 795 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: can handle the ball like you guys almost kind of 796 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: play through him offensively and let him make plays. Um, 797 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: what's what's he like to play with for you? We do. 798 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: We definitely run a lot of things through him, and 799 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,439 Speaker 1: it's kind of it makes it difficult teams the artist 800 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: because not a lot of teams have to have a 801 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: point forward that can do it at this level. Um. 802 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: You know, he makes the game easier for a lot 803 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: of us around him. You know it's because of the 804 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: attention that he gets with the block attention and his 805 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: ability of push and transition with the ball. Um, he 806 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: gives us Obviously a lot of open looks because the 807 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: defensive teams he can't really play him one on one. 808 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna get a shop, he's gonna get 809 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: a good look, um the team's double him or the 810 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: hard dig. It allows us to get open shots and 811 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: open driving angles. Um. So he's been a joy to 812 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: play the last couple of years. Um. We gotta make 813 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: sure that we can keep this thing going and take 814 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 1: advantage of every opportunity to get to play with him 815 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: because he makes everyone around him better and obviously with 816 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: the attention he gets um. And that's on both times before. 817 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: So he's been a joy to play with. Okay, uh, 818 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,760 Speaker 1: I think the free throw thing is in his mind 819 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: and in his legs because he's always if you watch him, 820 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: when I've watched you guys shoot. He's always focused on 821 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: his hands right, and I think his hands are fine, 822 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: Like the one thing, and I was a terrible I 823 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: was a great free throw shoot in high school growing up, 824 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: and then in college I lost it and mine was 825 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: neck was all neck up, was just completely So I 826 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: think some of his neck up, but I think a 827 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: lot of it is like he's not even on his 828 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 1: perimeter shot. He's not his legs aren't necessarily in rhythm. 829 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,720 Speaker 1: Like if he if he pulled you aside, like bread, 830 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: fix this help me? What would you say? You know? 831 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 1: I think what I would say, just to trust his shot. 832 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,879 Speaker 1: You know, I think he has so many people coming 833 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: out of from different angles trying to tell him this 834 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: and try to tell him that. But I'm in spreeto 835 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: partner during practice and he makes eight. I sent um 836 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: when he just shoots it. If I would just tell 837 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: him to be confident and trust your shot. You know, 838 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 1: it's the same thing that my dad always tells me, um, 839 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: whether it's three pointerers or free throws. You know, you 840 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: put the time he puts more time and on his 841 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: free throws and more times and on this game on 842 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: the name. When I've ever met so I would just 843 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: tell him to trust the shot, be confident with it. 844 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: One thing we always say before is we always look 845 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: at each other and just say nice and smooth, Nice 846 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: and smooth. Um. So I would just tell him to 847 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: trust it because we all believe in them. I just 848 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: gotta make sure you believe in himself. You mentioned your dad. 849 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: What was it work out like your dad? Like? So 850 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: if you were to say, how do I create a 851 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: Brad Davidson? What? What? What would what? What did he 852 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: do that allowed you to be who you are? He 853 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: just taught me to love the game. You know. I 854 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of people that, um that I 855 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: know growing up that their parents are kind of forced 856 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: them to be in the gym. We're forced them to 857 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: do this and do that. And he he let me 858 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: make every decision I wanted to do. You know, I 859 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: learned to love the game because I just learned to 860 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,959 Speaker 1: love being around it. I love to watch people play, 861 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: I love to watch and go work out. I love 862 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: to watch it on TV. And that kind of formed 863 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,919 Speaker 1: a new I loved having a ball in my hands, 864 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: I loved going to the gym, I loved working out. Um. 865 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: And then I think one of the things that has 866 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: kind of got me to this point is he never 867 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: told me what to do during workouts. He kind of 868 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: let me do my own workout, and he was just 869 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: always there. He was always rebounding, he was always passing, 870 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: kind of just just being kind of that constant. I'm 871 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: still a trainer, but just being that friend and that 872 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 1: encourager and supporter, um, and just kind of always allowing 873 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: me to do what I want to do. Whene that 874 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: was football, basketball, baseball. You know I played at all 875 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: growing up and he just, um, he supported me and 876 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: loved me through it all. Um, That's something that I 877 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: can never take for granted. So I would say, just 878 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: he would just allow He would say, just allow your 879 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: kid to love doing what he does and allow him 880 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: to do it. Um. You you have this way about 881 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: you which like I'm almost jealous of. Like I like 882 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: to pick guys up when I played, and I could 883 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 1: pick him up because I could create shots for him 884 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: or I made say something to make him laugh. But 885 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I had the energy. I didn't have 886 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: the energy that you have to constantly be chattering, constantly 887 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: be supporting teammates. Where did you get that from? Like? 888 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: Who was the one who talked to you to do that. 889 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: You know, I think again just being around my parents 890 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: and being around my sisters growing up, and just always 891 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: being around the game. You know, there's certain things you 892 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: gravitate towards. And I think someone who's always talking, is 893 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: always communicating the floor as a confident player, And I 894 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: think whether that's something there's a lot of things a 895 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: basketball you can't control, whether it's you know your shots 896 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: are going in, what the rest are doing, what coaches saying. 897 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: You can always control your we call it able, your attitude, 898 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: body language, and effort. And so the one thing you 899 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: can control is your attitude and being positive and encouraging. UM, 900 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: that's something that rubs off to your teammates. And I 901 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: think when you have a whole team that's communicating at 902 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: the confident team, that's the connected team, that's the that's 903 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: a team that's tough and mets with. I'm of both 904 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: the offensive and defensive vent that's connected as a unit 905 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: like that. Um, are you superstitious at all? Uh? I 906 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: would say I'm superstitious, just sir, okay, because I'm asking 907 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: me because like, look, you had one of those games 908 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: where you couldn't make anything against you you mentioned how 909 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,959 Speaker 1: cool it is to play it Indiana, and you guys 910 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: losing double overtime. I don't know why you guys. Let 911 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: Romeo go right. He's only going right, like he's going 912 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: he's going right, He's going right, he's going right. Anyway, 913 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: you have our film session the next day. Okay, fair enough? 914 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: So so do you like I would I would lose 915 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: a game. I would never wear those shoes ever in 916 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: a game ever. Again, Like there's something like, do you 917 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: is there something you do differently after a game when 918 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: you can't make a shot? Um? No, no, yeah. I 919 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: think that's one thing that's kind of been my theme 920 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: for the year is not to get too high and 921 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: not to get too low. My my kind of words 922 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: for the year that I did is content. Um. I 923 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: think there's I would see a lot of highs and 924 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: MO showed season in the highs and MO show the 925 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: game and you can kind of just that ability to 926 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: remain kind of steady and constant. Um. So I I 927 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: don't do anything like that again. I just kind of 928 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: I called my dad and he just said, trust your shot, 929 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: because you know you put all the time in all 930 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: that practice and repetition. Um and that's that should breed confidence. 931 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: So if you do, you have a game where you 932 00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: don't miss, where you don't make a lot of shots, 933 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 1: you know, averages always average out. So Dimitrich and I 934 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: have both a struggling a little bit shooting. We just 935 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: told each other that, you know, I'd rather struggle now 936 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: instead of getting deeper into march. So it's just means 937 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: our percentage are about to go away up here. Who 938 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: is the guy that you've struggled most to guard in 939 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: the Big ten? Who struggle most to guard? I'd say, 940 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: obviously Carson Edwards is a tough guard, just because you 941 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,359 Speaker 1: can play great defense and he can still elevate over 942 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: you and hit it from anywhere, and he's got the 943 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: green he's he's got a super green light too, and 944 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: he has some incredible super green lights. Um, you know, 945 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: I think those guys that had the super green light, 946 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: Carson Edwards, Marcus Howard at Marquette has it. Um. You know, 947 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 1: it's kind of if they're on there on because you 948 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: can contest the shot, but they're they're so talented and 949 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 1: capable of hitting tough shots that kind of the best 950 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: you can do is the best you can do. Sometimes um, 951 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: but also say Anthony Town's a very tough guy to 952 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 1: yard just because of how quick he is and the 953 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: weapons he has around him, and when he gets into 954 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 1: the room he can finish. But also he's dumping off 955 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: to you know, Bruno and Smith, who are very very 956 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: talented around the rim. So I'd say those three guys 957 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: from the guard position definitely Okay. So that's is a 958 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: good one. You've guarded both, Um, Marcus or Carson. Who's 959 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: better to you, cool boy? I would say Marcus has 960 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands a lot more, um, so 961 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: he has a lot more opportunities going downhill. UM, I 962 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 1: don't know who's better. You know, they both have that 963 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: killer instinct, they both have that green light. UM. I said. 964 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,760 Speaker 1: The thing that I that I admired a by ultimate 965 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: just their confidence and kind of their approach to the 966 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: game where I think they really do a good job 967 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: of not getting too high or too low. You know, 968 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: I've seen games where Carson's gone for for twenty five 969 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: and Marcus has gone for and the next game, you know, 970 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: they could be seve And I think that's something that 971 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: I always admire about him. That's kind of what um, 972 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: that's kind of a consistent thing that stands out with 973 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: both of those guys. That's hard for me though, because 974 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 1: I felt like that's the kind of narrative I tried 975 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: to take where I was trying to be emotionless, but like, 976 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 1: I'm actually, sometimes you're better when you are emotional, Like 977 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,399 Speaker 1: how do you how do you steal you? You're like, look, 978 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: I want to be level, but sometimes i'm I'm I'm 979 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: better when I'm hyped. I'm I'm even getting angry. Sometimes 980 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: you play better when you play angry. How do you 981 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 1: manage that? Exactly? That's one thing that I try. I 982 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: try to let my passion or my energy be dictated 983 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,919 Speaker 1: by how I play. So again there's something that there's 984 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: things that I can't control. So whether I'm having an 985 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: off game, whether my shots not going in, whether I'm 986 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: in foul trouble or whatever it maybe, um you know 987 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: that I can still control my passions, I can still 988 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: control my energy. One thing that I try to manage, 989 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: I just try not to have a dictated it based 990 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: off my own performance, but more off my team performance 991 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: than trying to keep that selfiest mindset where about the 992 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: team or not about myself. So energy and passion that's 993 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: something that's um contagious. That's something we can always control. 994 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: You got, but you got both handed up coming next. 995 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: Have you seen some of the shots that he's hit 996 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,879 Speaker 1: to win them games? He said, some diggers. Um, he's 997 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: hid some diggers. Um. He's the great players, one of 998 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: my favorite players to watch in the big ten. Um. 999 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: You know, I was obviously had a up and down 1000 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: hear um coming in here. There's stepin big game that 1001 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: they need. So it's gonna be a lot of fun, 1002 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: another big opportunity for us heading in the march here. 1003 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: All right, it's Ethan's it's all those guys senior night, 1004 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: but it's Ethan's senior night. Tell me one thing about 1005 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: Ethan Half that because as you're his you know you're 1006 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,240 Speaker 1: his free throw partner, because you're his teammate. Here's guy 1007 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: that you know to tell me. Give me give me 1008 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:12,799 Speaker 1: something on Ethan Half that we don't know. Huh, something 1009 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: about Ethan Hat that people don't know. Mhm hm. I 1010 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: would say the warrior, Um people know that. Don't give 1011 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 1: me the he's a warrior thing. Give me something about 1012 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,959 Speaker 1: Ethan hab something he eats? Is he is he a booger? Eater. 1013 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,240 Speaker 1: Is there a movie he always watches that you guys 1014 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 1: clown him about. Is there something odd, something funny you know? 1015 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: H m hmm. I don't know. I would say, I 1016 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: mean everyone sees his competitiveness and energy on the floor, 1017 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: and I'd say that goes to everything he does, whether 1018 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 1: it's who's on the ox in the locker room, who's 1019 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,360 Speaker 1: who's on the who's who's scords? Like who has the music? 1020 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,279 Speaker 1: He doesn't let anyone else touch the music if he's 1021 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,919 Speaker 1: in there. What music? So he's a big music guy. 1022 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 1: So he I can't even tell you his genre. He 1023 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: jumps from one drain to the next. Um, he's kind 1024 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,280 Speaker 1: of all over the place, kind of depends on his mood. Um. 1025 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 1: But there's one thing. If he's in the locker room, 1026 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,359 Speaker 1: he's the one playing music. He doesn't let anyone anyone 1027 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: else jump on it. I guess you kind of get 1028 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: that seniority when you've been here for fourteen years? Are 1029 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,359 Speaker 1: you aware of where the final four is this year? 1030 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: I've had it circled ever since it came out in Yes, sir, 1031 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 1: what would it mean? And look, it's it's gonna be 1032 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: an uphell challenge. But you guys have shown in the 1033 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: non conference and in the conference you can compete with anybody. 1034 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: You can beat anybody, you can lose to anybody. But 1035 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: it's it wouldn't it wouldn't be crazy with Ethan Half, 1036 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: with you and Dimitric, you know, to hit some shots 1037 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 1: to make a run. What would it mean for kids 1038 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 1: from the Twin Cities to bring his badgers to the 1039 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: Dome and play for national championship. It would mean the 1040 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,240 Speaker 1: world to me. Um. You know something that you always 1041 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 1: dream about. You know, you watch the one shining moment, 1042 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: you watch it from your couch. Um. You always make 1043 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: a bracket. You're always tuned in. And I've always said 1044 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: March Madness is like a holiday, Um, And you know 1045 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 1: I still don't. I obviously think it's the feeling last 1046 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,840 Speaker 1: year to being in the being in the tournament. But 1047 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: this year, you know, I can't imagine selection Sunday, Um, 1048 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 1: But being on the play in the final four, you know, 1049 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,759 Speaker 1: in my hometown, in the home of the Vikings US 1050 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: Bank Stadium, Um, and just knowing you know, kind of 1051 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 1: what we went through last year and that struggle we 1052 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,399 Speaker 1: faced last year, UM, how hard it was on our team, 1053 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: on our coaches staff been kind of on our fan base. Um. 1054 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,879 Speaker 1: See in US Bank Stadium and a lot of reds 1055 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: would mean in the world to not only myself my teammates. Um, 1056 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: but I know it would mean a lot to coach Guarden, 1057 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: just the whole entire fan base. Um. So I got 1058 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to put it the words. 1059 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean the world to me. No I can, 1060 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: I can. I can hear it. I can hear it 1061 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: in your voice. Uh uh. Last thing, and this is 1062 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,359 Speaker 1: probably there are people that don't like you because of 1063 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,359 Speaker 1: how you take charges and how boisterous you you are. 1064 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 1: How do you when when people are yelling at you, 1065 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 1: booing you nasty to you, like, do you hear it? 1066 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: Do you process it? Or something you say to yourself? 1067 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: How do you? How do you? How do you manage 1068 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 1: that when you play these road games and even these 1069 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: neutral sight games when allies seem to be on you. Yeah, 1070 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,840 Speaker 1: you know earlier in the years. Stuff is something that 1071 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 1: I let affect me, um because I've never kind of 1072 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: been in that spotlight that was not a lot of negative. 1073 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 1: So it's something that I had to get used to. 1074 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,680 Speaker 1: I never kind of played that role or been in 1075 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: that role before. UM. But something that I've you know 1076 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,279 Speaker 1: that I've grown a lot, and you know, I try 1077 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: to block it out, but at the end of the day, 1078 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 1: you hear it. UM. I think there's a certain way 1079 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 1: you can look at and you can look at a 1080 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 1: negative way, clear in a positive way. UM. But the 1081 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: one thing that I always say, I talked to my 1082 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: pastor about and I talked to my parents about. UM. 1083 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 1: There's certain things in life that you can't control, and 1084 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 1: you can't necessarily control the opinions of others. UM. And 1085 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 1: I don't play for the approval of others. You know. 1086 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: I played for the approval of myself, my my teammates, 1087 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,239 Speaker 1: my coach, is, my family, and my Lord and Savior 1088 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. And that's kind of what I stick to. UM. 1089 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes a any outside circumstances, UM, I can't even though 1090 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 1: I maybe wish they liked me. UM. You know those 1091 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,640 Speaker 1: are feelings I can't control. UM. We always say you can't. 1092 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 1: I can't necessarily control of feelings. But you can't let 1093 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 1: feelings control yourself either. So I just I try to 1094 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,800 Speaker 1: block them all the best I can. But also I 1095 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,359 Speaker 1: know I don't play for the approval of that either. 1096 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,799 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see in Chicago at the Big 1097 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: Ten Tournament. In the meantime, you made a fan out 1098 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: of me over the last year and a half, and 1099 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: I can't wait for people to hear this, and you 1100 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,600 Speaker 1: make a fan out of so many other people. All Right, 1101 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 1: I get back to getting in the gym, figure out 1102 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: how to get Ethan right, and get to the platform, 1103 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,239 Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you soon. Okay, yes, sir, thank 1104 00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 1: you very much. I appreciate you. My thanks to Brad Davidson, quarterback, 1105 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 1: coach and point guard for Wisconsin basketball. I hope you 1106 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,720 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I hope you share it with a friend. 1107 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,759 Speaker 1: Don't forget to download, subscribe and rate. Listen to the 1108 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,040 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlip Show three to six eastrom Told three Pacific 1109 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 1: every day on Fox Sports Radio. In the meantime, can't 1110 00:50:54,520 --> 00:51:00,279 Speaker 1: wait till selection Sunday. We'll have a blowout podcast next week. 1111 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. This is all ball