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Speaker 2: we have, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do a lot of interesting things that are

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Speaker 1: unfolding today. So Joe Biden expected to sign an immigration

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Speaker 1: executive order that could effectively end asylum as we know it,

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that, both the policy and the

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Speaker 1: politics surrounding it. Meanwhile, his son is in court today

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Speaker 1: facing gun charges. Obviously extraordinary development there, so we'll take

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Speaker 1: are also was a whole stock market meltdown situation yesterday.

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Speaker 4: A lot going on there.

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Speaker 1: To get into Fauci was grilled yesterday. We've got a

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Speaker 1: You guys probably remember this algorithmic price fixing situation, so

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Speaker 4: So lots to get into today.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, As Crystal said, Now, before we get

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Speaker 2: As Crystal said, though some major news, President Biden expected

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Speaker 2: this morning to sign an executive order on immigration. Let's

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Speaker 2: go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal broke the news just yesterday, so

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Speaker 2: going to go ahead and read some of the details.

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Speaker 2: The details are pretty interesting. The executive order quote would

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Speaker 2: ban migrants you cross the Southern border illegally from claiming asylum.

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Speaker 2: It is a last resort effort to quell voter discontent

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Speaker 2: with his handling of immigration ahead of the presidential election.

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Speaker 2: So the details of the plan itself are expected to

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Speaker 2: close the southern border after twenty five hundred migrants have

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Speaker 2: crossed per day. This is similar to some of the

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Speaker 2: that we'll all recall that fell apart. Now, the interesting

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Speaker 2: also validates our Actually, I'm curious what you think, Cristel,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on those pieces, you and I definitely agree. It

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Speaker 1: Because on a practical level, they don't have the money

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Speaker 1: on moral grounds. But even if you support it, it's

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Speaker 1: So on practical grounds, it fails, in my opinion, on

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Speaker 1: But they're doing it as a political ploy anyway. And

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Speaker 4: Than Donald Trump. And we'll show this later.

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned the study a few times, but they did

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Speaker 1: a bunch of research on there. Joe Biden is far

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Speaker 1: from the first sort of like center left the liberal

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Speaker 4: So, you know, I think it's foolish.

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Speaker 1: You can only imagine the freak out from Democrats it

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Speaker 1: implementing this order, I think it's illegal. I don't even

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Speaker 3: Yeh, you're very right.

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Speaker 2: It is very unlikely to survive legal scrutiny. President Trump

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Speaker 3: When he was in office.

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Speaker 2: This is part of the issue with a much of

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Speaker 2: in principle. I've long think our asylum system is incredibly

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Speaker 3: But as you said, this is a political move.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the truth is is that if you really

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Speaker 2: been doing it for three years straight? And there's some

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Speaker 2: that's according to the Biden administration's Department of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 2: In terms of what that looks like with a multi

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Speaker 2: New York Times did a comprehensive review of all of

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Speaker 2: system is deeply unsustainable to a previous status quo where

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Speaker 2: Americans both broadly support and comprehensive immigration reform and positive

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Speaker 2: net migration with a largely upward trend direction. What they find, though,

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Speaker 2: number of people who believe immigration is generally beneficial to

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Speaker 2: the country's culture and economic growth has eroded from the

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Speaker 2: national identity. For example, on April thirtieth, they found that

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Speaker 2: if we look actually, a Pew study in February found

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Speaker 2: of Democrats. Another poll found last year that seventy three

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Speaker 2: percent of Republicans want immigration to be decreased, So that

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Speaker 2: The Democrats largely want comprehensive immigration reform first, maybe some

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Speaker 3: We could go on this all day.

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Speaker 2: What we can, at the very least say is the

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Speaker 2: hypocrisy of the Biden administration being flagged, Crystal, as you

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there.

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Speaker 2: After years of decrying Trump era immigration policy, Biden is

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Speaker 2: actually exploiting the same section of US Code two one

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Speaker 2: order will announce we will use these section two one

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Speaker 2: two F of the Immigration Nationality Act to dramatically limit

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Speaker 2: once encounters reached a new threshold. Administrations have discussed four

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Speaker 3: So there's quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: Of crow that's happening, I think for the Biden administration here, Crystal,

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Speaker 2: I agree absolutely Israel. Israel and immigration are as too worse.

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Speaker 2: do so, you have to sign an attest that you

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Speaker 2: are not under the influence of drugs and alcohol and

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Speaker 2: you're not currently using those things or sorry, specifically with

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Speaker 2: illegal drugs. And so you could see here that the charge,

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Speaker 2: the gun charge in particular, on this trial, it's almost

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Speaker 2: mystifying Crystal why he did not end up pleading guilty

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Speaker 2: because it is so patently obvious as to that. It

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Speaker 2: is so patently obvious that he did lie on this gun. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is separate, as I said previously, from the tax charges,

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Speaker 2: which will begin a little bit later. I think that

447
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Speaker 2: is currently delayed to early September. But they are literally

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Speaker 2: going to use the younger Biden's own words against him, Crystal,

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Speaker 2: including in his memoir twenty twenty one called Beautiful Things,

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Speaker 2: where he openly writes about quote, smoking drugs and making

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Speaker 2: arrangements to buy drugs at the exact time that he

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Speaker 2: was buying the gun. So he's on tape using drugs

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Speaker 2: at the time of the gun purchase in his own

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Speaker 2: memoir admidst using drugs at that time, and then yet

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Speaker 2: is pleading not guilty here in the trial. So it

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Speaker 2: would take, I think a miracle to see him get

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Speaker 2: off in this particular case.

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Speaker 1: I want to know where my principled Second Amendment defenders

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Speaker 1: are who think this is an outrageous abusive of pastually

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Speaker 1: that there shouldn't be these restrictions put on gun lawful

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Speaker 1: gun owners.

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Speaker 3: I will speak for them.

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Speaker 2: I will speak for them, which is as you say,

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Speaker 2: as us Second Amendment. People will always say, we all

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Speaker 2: need to enforce the laws that are already on the books,

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Speaker 2: and so this is what that looks like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, drug out there.

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Speaker 4: You want to get rid of the laws that are

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Speaker 4: on the books too, you have to do it.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, so want that listen. Putting that aside,

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Speaker 1: why does this matter? There's a few things that are

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Speaker 1: relevant here. Number one, it is an extraordinary situation where

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Speaker 1: this is Biden's own Justice department prosecuting his own son.

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Speaker 1: So that is kind of a remarkable situation. None of

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Speaker 1: this has anything to do you know, the allegations here

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Speaker 1: a guns Hunter have nothing to do with Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: There's no you know, h the business dealings and whatever

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Speaker 1: aren't tied up in this. It's just literally, we think

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Speaker 1: that you bought a gun while you were using drugs, which,

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Speaker 1: you know, if Hunter was telling the truth when he

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Speaker 1: was writing his memoir, certainly appears to be the case.

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Speaker 1: But could it be politically embarrassing for Joe Biden because

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Speaker 1: whatever testimony comes out, you know about Hunter and his

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Speaker 1: lifestyle and any potential entanglements with his father, Yes, potentially,

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Speaker 1: you know, on the politics of it, people been knowing

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Speaker 1: that Hunter is kind of a hot mess for a while.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think that that is Joe Biden's biggest problem.

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Speaker 1: I don't even think it's in the top one hundred

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Speaker 1: list of Joe Biden's biggest problems at this point in

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Speaker 1: terms of his reelect.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I didn't say necessarily. But you know, as

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Speaker 2: you said, there are going to be some embarrassing things.

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Speaker 2: For example, prosecutors planned to show videos and photographs of

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Speaker 2: Biden's smoking crack that were backed up to his apple

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Speaker 2: iCloud account and the now infamous laptop. Jill Biden was

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Speaker 2: actually spotted leaving the trial yesterday at the time that

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Speaker 2: some of these videos were playing. Let's Gohea and put

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Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. This is from Kyle Griffin.

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Speaker 2: This is a statement of President Biden at the beginning

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Speaker 2: of the trial. He says, I am the President, but

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Speaker 2: I am also a dad. Jill and I love our son.

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Speaker 2: We are so proud of the man he is today.

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Speaker 2: Hunter's resilience in the face of adversity and strength he

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Speaker 2: has brought to his recovery are inspiring to us. A

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Speaker 2: lot of families have loved ones who overcome addiction and

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Speaker 2: know what we mean. As president, I don't and won't

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Speaker 2: comment on the pending federal cases, but as a dad,

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Speaker 2: I have boundless love for my son, confidence in him,

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Speaker 2: and respect for his strength. Our family has been through

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Speaker 2: a lot together, and Jill and I are going to

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Speaker 2: continue to be there for Hunter and our family with

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Speaker 2: our love and our support. So I will say, you know, politically,

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Speaker 2: that is one of the ways that Biden has always

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Speaker 2: been able to head this off is with kind of

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Speaker 2: his radical empathy I guess towards his son, which you know,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who have family members who are

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Speaker 2: drug addicts can probably sympathize with.

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Speaker 3: Where a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: See the hypocrisy is that, look, he has gotten away

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Speaker 2: with so much simply because he is the president's son,

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Speaker 2: perhaps no more so than the tax case where you

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Speaker 2: literally had a Biden mega donor pay his entire tax

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Speaker 2: bill of two million dollars, you know, with presumably nothing

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Speaker 2: you know, really exchange, just so that he could avoid

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Speaker 2: felony charges and try and plead down The case ended

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Speaker 2: up not working, but the insight both into the amount

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Speaker 2: of mine he's been able to profit off of his

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Speaker 2: father's name is just outrageous. And we're not even talking about,

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Speaker 2: you know, some of the China stuff and all that,

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Speaker 2: which I certainly think is a problem for him. But

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Speaker 2: the legalized corruption, you know, that has been displayed by

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Speaker 2: Hunter throughout really his entire life is one which again

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's in the top hundred problems for

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Speaker 2: him per se. But the more that the public is

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Speaker 2: reminded or sees that it will take a little bit

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Speaker 2: away from President Biden and kind of the way that

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Speaker 2: people think about what used to be one of his

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Speaker 2: strongest assets, which was empathy talking about the loss of

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Speaker 2: his son and family the whole, like cares about people

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Speaker 2: like you. That was something that always related back to

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Speaker 2: his experiences with his children.

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Speaker 3: And so could you know, bring this to light in

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Speaker 3: the same way.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not comparing necessarily too, but the Trump

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Speaker 2: guilty verdict did genuinely bring in a lot of eyeballs

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Speaker 2: and public consciousness around this. Will a Hunter guilty verdict

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Speaker 2: do the same? No, not claiming that at all, but

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Speaker 2: it will create problems at the very least, like it

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Speaker 2: will put it on the front pages and on television

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Speaker 2: screens for others whenever they see perhaps some of the

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Speaker 2: details here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a traudury situation, right, and you know,

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Speaker 1: to the extent there's a claiming of a moral high ground.

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Speaker 4: Perhaps there's an issue for him there. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, I do think Republicans run the

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Speaker 1: risk of, as they often do, overplaying their hand. We

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Speaker 1: saw this directly with Trump and the way he talked

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Speaker 1: about Hunter. And then immediately this was back in the debates,

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Speaker 1: you know, last time they ran against each other. Immediately

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden goes to like, you know, trying to display

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Speaker 1: empathy not only for his son, but connecting to the

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Speaker 1: millions of parents out there who have you know, a

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Speaker 1: child or a loved one who is also struggling with addiction.

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Speaker 1: So there there is a danger there. And Republicans, you know,

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Speaker 1: are little tone deaf when it comes to this. They're

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Speaker 1: you know, they're a little obsessed with like again, the

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden stories that most of the public, it really

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Speaker 1: hasn't rated for them as one of their top concerns

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Speaker 1: with Joe Biden. Obviously, their whole like in p effort

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Speaker 1: to go after Joe Biden hasn't really gone anywhere. And

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Speaker 1: you know, it has been such a sort of failure

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Speaker 1: that even right wing media is like, come on, guys,

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Speaker 1: what's going on here? Why is there no there there?

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Speaker 1: Why aren't we seeing these smoking guns that you keep promising.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if I had to say, I

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Speaker 1: think it's kind of inconsequential for the election, but you

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Speaker 1: never know what can come out of it, and it's

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Speaker 1: certainly an uncomfortable situation for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to the stock situation. Though

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Speaker 2: there was absolutely insane day yesterday on Wall Street. Let's

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Speaker 2: go and put this up there on the screen. The

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Speaker 2: New York Stock Exchange had to fix an issue that

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Speaker 2: showed ninety nine percent drops and triggered trading halt on

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Speaker 2: forty different stocks, including Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway. So there

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Speaker 2: are a lot of memes that dropped about this one

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Speaker 2: about how Berkshire Hathaway and Warren Buffett really were wrong

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Speaker 2: all along showing a ninety nine percent the stock of

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Speaker 2: the company. The disruption quote was resolved after forty five minutes,

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Speaker 2: which is a pretty long time there in the life

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Speaker 2: cycle of the New York Stocky Strange. The New York

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Speaker 2: Stocky Shans is going to have to cancel all bad

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Speaker 2: trades as a result of that, and also.

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Speaker 3: Reviewing quote erroneous halts.

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Speaker 2: So anytime something like this happens, it should really freak

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Speaker 2: us out because obviously the integrity of our markets is

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Speaker 2: one of the things that we like to tout all

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Speaker 2: across the world, and a single glitch of forty five

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Speaker 2: minutes can drop the value ninety nine percent of some

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Speaker 2: of the world's most valuable companies. Yeah, that should freak

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Speaker 2: you out as to how brittle the system actually is.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, and part of the reason that

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Speaker 2: we want to put all this stuff together there is

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Speaker 2: the same like David and Goliath thing that is currently

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Speaker 2: happening with Keith Gil aka Roaring Kitty on game Stop.

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Speaker 2: So Keith gil as we've covered before, returned previously both

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Speaker 2: to Twitter, tweeting out memes showing and rallying the game

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Speaker 2: Stop stock. Well, recently he returned to Reddit actually and

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Speaker 2: revealed a multi million dollar position in game Stop. Let's

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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. You can see

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Speaker 2: here a screenshot from Keith Kill's trading account from e Trade.

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Speaker 2: Keep in mind e Trade, we're going to come back

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Speaker 2: to that one, but a significant position there of some

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Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars or.

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Speaker 3: So if executed well.

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Speaker 2: This has now spawned a major conversation on CNBC and

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Speaker 2: elsewhere amongst the Wall Street elites who are like, hey,

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Speaker 2: should this be allowed? Should it really be allowed that

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Speaker 2: mister Gill can simply just post and then invite this

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Speaker 2: major rally into GameStop stock. Here, for example, is a

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Speaker 2: former SEC chairman who questions whether this is something that

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Speaker 2: we should tolerate in our markets.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: It's not insider trading. That's that's that's clear less. He

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Speaker 5: and he's trading on his own information. That's why it's

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Speaker 5: not insider trading. But is this Is this something that

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Speaker 5: we should be tolerating in our markets? You know, whether

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Speaker 5: it's legal or I don't think so. And that's why

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Speaker 5: I say, why does it?

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Speaker 6: You know? What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: To tell it to the idea?

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Speaker 7: I would think as you look at this more in

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Speaker 7: the context of market manipulation, right, and the question is

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Speaker 7: are you allowed to manipulate the market?

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Speaker 8: People, by the way, publish.

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Speaker 7: Things all the time and they say, hey, I like

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Speaker 7: this stock, and they, you know, hope that other folks

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Speaker 7: follow them. Is that market manipulation generally not?

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Speaker 9: Maybe?

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Speaker 8: Maybe maybe not.

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Speaker 7: So what is the distinction in your mind as somebody

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Speaker 7: who ran this department and who's looking at and cares

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Speaker 7: about the integrity of these markets.

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Speaker 5: That's why that's why I'm saying, Okay, we can we

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Speaker 5: can discuss what are exactly the facts and circumstances around

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Speaker 5: the publication of this tweet and the like.

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Speaker 3: But in the meantime, if you care.

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Speaker 5: About the markets and you care about investing, come on

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Speaker 5: this program right, tell people, Tell people why you did this.

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Speaker 3: From your lips Chrystal to the SEC chairman.

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Speaker 2: It's not market manipulation when you appear on CNBC, like

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Speaker 2: let's say a guy named Bill Ackman, and you say

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Speaker 2: terror is coming and it's going to be horror and

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a huge crash, and then there's

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Speaker 2: a huge market crash, and then it comes out a

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Speaker 2: little bit later that actually you had bought a huge

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Speaker 2: portion at the bottom that you helped spark and you

657
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Speaker 2: made a multi billion dollar profit. You see, that's actually

658
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Speaker 2: not market manipulation.

659
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Speaker 3: That's normal.

660
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: It's also normal when hedgstund managers and others pump their

661
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: bullshit SPACs and investments on Twitter inviting other users and

662
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: fans to buy something that is not market manipulation at

663
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Speaker 2: all because they're managers. Whereas this guy is just some

664
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Speaker 2: rando who happened to get very lucky on GameStop and

665
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Speaker 2: invite you know, like a social movement of retail traders.

666
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Speaker 2: When he does it, then now it needs to be investigated.

667
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is complete bullshit. It's like

668
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Speaker 2: I thought political elites were bad, but these wall stream

669
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Speaker 2: people this is a whole other level.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're the same. I mean, they're a pull in

671
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Speaker 1: the strings. So yeah, the political behavior is downstream of

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Speaker 1: what these assholes think. Listen, if if this was a

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Speaker 1: person who had a genuine concern across the board about

674
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Speaker 1: market manipulation, and if there was a consistent principle being

675
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Speaker 1: held here, then you know you could hear him out. Okay, yeah,

676
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: he's got listen. Roaring Kitty isn't a small fish anymore. Right,

677
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: he's got one is one hundred and forty million dollars

678
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Speaker 1: stake or I mean he's got a huge steak. Now

679
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: he's got a whole lot of money. You could have

680
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Speaker 1: a debate about, all right, should this be allowed but

681
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: you can't take these people seriously when you know, when

682
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: it's their buddies on Wall Street, when it's Bill Ackman,

683
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: when it's test funders and whoever who do it. And

684
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Speaker 1: that's perfectly fine as long as they have their little

685
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Speaker 1: invite ticket to the green room at CNBC, which is

686
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: like the cool kids club for Wall Street. You know,

687
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Speaker 1: as long as they have that, then it's perfectly fine.

688
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: It's only when it's an all insider who's benefiting from

689
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Speaker 1: this mass grassroots meme stock movement, then we really need

690
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Speaker 1: to drop the hammer. Then we need to look into

691
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Speaker 1: it because he isn't officially sanctioned in the club and

692
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Speaker 1: isn't cheating in the ways that we feel comfortable with.

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Speaker 4: So that's why you just have to laugh.

694
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Speaker 1: And you know the comment about he could come on CNBC,

695
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: that really gives away the whole game, because if you

696
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: aren't in the elite circle that's going to get invited

697
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Speaker 1: into the green room on CNBC, then you're not allowed

698
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Speaker 1: to cheat.

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Speaker 4: Only that's only rigging the game.

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Speaker 1: That's only for us, right, that's all I'm telling you

701
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Speaker 1: what the upset is about.

702
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, no, no, no, you can't do this. Man,

703
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: you have to be on CNBC to pump your own book.

704
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Speaker 3: Didn't you know that?

705
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Speaker 2: And look, I mean we're not exaggerating here. This is

706
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: a real problem. Now, let's put B five up on

707
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Speaker 2: the screen. This is from the Wall Street Journal. E Trade,

708
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Speaker 2: which is currently backstopped by Morgan Stanley, is considering kicking

709
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Speaker 2: off Keith Gill from the platform. Keep in mind, as

710
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Speaker 2: I said earlier, that Keith revealed his position some one

711
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty million dollars at least the current value

712
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: of what he currently has from an each trade account

713
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: that he had just simply screenshot it. He wasn't marketing

714
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: each trade, he wasn't using each trade. He wasn't even

715
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 2: necessarily like doing anything except what any of us.

716
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Speaker 3: Might do with our normal brokerage account.

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Speaker 2: They are now considering literally kicking him off of the platform,

718
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Speaker 2: despite the fact that he has not violated any securities laws.

719
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Speaker 2: They say that he has quote discussed concerns about possible

720
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: manipulation in game stop and would effectively take away his

721
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 2: ability as a customer to trade on the platform. Their

722
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Speaker 2: debate includes action whether his actions have amounted to manipulation,

723
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Speaker 2: and whether or not the firm is not willing to

724
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Speaker 2: risk drawing the attention of his meme army by removing him.

725
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 2: So of course they should worry about that because a

726
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: lot of retail traders might ditch e trade, you know,

727
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: if that were to happen. But I mean, the reason

728
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: why this is so shocking to me is that this

729
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: is a Morgan. This is Morgan STANMP, this is a

730
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Speaker 2: Wall Street institution. Think about how many filthy deals and

731
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: trades that these people facilitate every single day in terms

732
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: of settling. But when Keith Gill screenshots his brokerage account

733
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: of his position in game, stop, Now they are concerned

734
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: about market manipulation. As you said, when you audit all

735
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 2: Bloomberg terminal messages and you start going after the fund

736
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: managers on CNBC and after the people on Twitter who

737
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: have literally pumped up stocks and SPACs that have lost

738
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: over ninety percent of their value, resulting in massive loss

739
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: to their customers, then maybe I will listen about, you know,

740
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: restoring integrity to our markets, to our brokerage accounts and

741
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: everything else. But this is just a straight up rigged game.

742
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: And what's crazy is that they're just doing it again.

743
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: You know, dumb money recently came out reminding everybody of

744
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: the insanity of that entire situation. But you literally watch

745
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: these trading platforms lock the ability to buy a certain stock.

746
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: They could tell us all about their liquity or liquidity

747
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: problems all they want, but you know, if you're a

748
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: major trader who probably uses Morgan Stanley to settle many

749
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 2: of your trades, you're not going to have or have

750
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: that problem. If you're a hedge fund manager, It's just

751
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: like whenever you try and play even remotely by any

752
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: set of the rules that they do every single day,

753
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: then now they call you a market manipulator and they'll

754
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Speaker 2: literally shut down your ability to make any money.

755
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Speaker 3: I think it's totally insane.

756
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does really harken back to when they stopped

757
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: on Robinhood. They blocked the ability of people to continue

758
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: buying the stock because they didn't like what was going

759
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: on and there were financial entanglements there, et cetera. They

760
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: deny it, et cetera, et cetera, but we all saw what.

761
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 4: Was going on, and it has that same vibe.

762
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: There is just a revulsion at the idea that this

763
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: game could be played by anyone that isn't in their

764
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: particular cocktail circuit. And yeah, I mean it's it's revealing,

765
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Speaker 1: isn't it. It's really revealing the way this all happens.

766
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: Market manipulation, like stock buy back our market manipulation that

767
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: should be illegal. But I don't see any of these

768
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: people getting upset and like go into Congress. Hey, we

769
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: got to crack down. We got to ban these stock

770
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: buybacks again. So spare me your oh the sanctity of

771
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: the market moralizing, because we see how full of shit

772
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: you ultimately are when it comes to you and your

773
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: buddies and the people in your friend group that profit

774
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: off of rigging the market, market manipulation, et cetera.

775
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

776
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: I mean they write their own rules and then they

777
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: claim that you know, if you if you try and

778
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: play by them, if you actually try and emulate the

779
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: exact same thing, then they either try to criminalize you

780
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: or basically block you from the ability to trade. So

781
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: this is like top tales old as time in terms

782
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: of institutional corruption. And it's one of the ways that

783
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: he really took I think he showed like to the

784
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: wool out of everybody's eyes the first time around, but

785
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: for them to just do it again I mean, it.

786
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: Just shows again how how powerful they really are.

787
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: They don't even care if they're caught openly manipulating things

788
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: out in the open. As long as they're the only

789
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: ones they get to do it, then that's it.

790
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 3: All right.

791
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Speaker 2: We've got a great guest standing by Emily Copp to

792
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Speaker 2: talk about that Fauci testimony. Let's get to it. Joining

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Speaker 2: us now is Emily Kopp. She's a reporter at US

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Speaker 2: Right to Know. Returning to the program, Emily, it's so

795
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Speaker 2: good to see you again. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Great to be here.

797
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Speaker 3: Absolutely so.

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Speaker 2: You were in the room yesterday with doctor Fauci while

799
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Speaker 2: he's being grilled before Congress. There are some stunning moments,

800
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Speaker 2: I guess, to say the least, we pulled one of

801
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Speaker 2: them here to get your reaction.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: Do you agree that there was a push to downplay

804
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Speaker 7: the lab leak theory?

805
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Speaker 6: Not on my part?

806
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Speaker 3: Really?

807
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Speaker 4: Really?

808
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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think I think most of the country will

810
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Speaker 5: find that find that amazing, I said eleven seconds, but.

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Speaker 6: Look at the facts. I've kept an open mind throughout

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Speaker 6: the entire process.

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Speaker 9: All right, I you back, you did not suppress the

814
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Speaker 9: LAB leak theory. Yet in the past you have said, quote,

815
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Speaker 9: it is a distortion of reality. Unquote, you've said, quote

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Speaker 9: I've heard these conspiracy conspiracy theories, and like all conspiracy theories,

817
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Speaker 9: they're just conspiracy theories. That's what you told the American people.

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Speaker 9: And so would you like to clarify what science were

819
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Speaker 9: you following?

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Speaker 6: Denvers?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: No, I Actually I've also been very very clear and

823
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Speaker 6: said multiple times that I don't think the concept of

824
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Speaker 6: there being a lab leak is inherently a conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 6: What is conspiracy is the kind of distortions of that

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Speaker 6: particular subject, like it was a lab leak, and I

827
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Speaker 6: was parachuted into the CIA like Jason Bourne and told

828
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Speaker 6: the CIA that they should really not be talking about

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Speaker 6: a lab leak.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: That's the conspiracciate that all right?

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Speaker 2: So, Emily, you are, in my opinion, the pre eminent

833
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Speaker 2: reporter on the lab leak situation. So what do we

834
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Speaker 2: make about the veracity of doctor Fauci's claims there?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean to hear Fauci tell it, he had

836
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Speaker 10: nothing to do with the fact that the lableek theory

837
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Speaker 10: was maligned as a conspiracy theory for years and to

838
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Speaker 10: be Frank continues to be maligned as a conspiracy theory

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Speaker 10: by the hardcore Democratic partisans.

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Speaker 8: In my Twitter mentions, yes, that's right.

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Speaker 10: It just belies belief, and you can see it in

842
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Speaker 10: the responses from the members of Congress there Fauji is

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Speaker 10: the most influential scientists in America. And the idea that

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Speaker 10: scientists who raised an alarm about the potential for a

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Speaker 10: lab accident in Wuhan and who raised concerns about the

846
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Speaker 10: papers in favor of zoonosis the wet market theory could

847
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Speaker 10: have been maligned for years, and that this narrative could

848
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Speaker 10: have persisted, that the zunosis theory was sacrosanct and not

849
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Speaker 10: to be questioned, could have persisted if the most influential

850
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Speaker 10: scientists in America had truly an open mind for years,

851
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Speaker 10: is just really absurd.

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Speaker 2: And so let's actually take a step back, because one

853
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Speaker 2: of the best work that you have done is the

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Speaker 2: Foyer and revelation a lot of these documents and the

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Speaker 2: internal discussion. So definitively, how can we prove that doctor

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Speaker 2: Fauji is saying is blatantly not true?

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Speaker 3: Take us through the paper trail that you've been able

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Speaker 3: to discover.

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Speaker 8: Sure, yeah.

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Speaker 10: I think at this point I've written like thirty thousand

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Speaker 10: words is based on documents foyd by me, by another

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Speaker 10: independent journalist, Jimmy Tobias, and through subpoenad records that the

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Speaker 10: committee obtained showing emails and slack messages that show that

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Speaker 10: the authors of that paper were saying very different things

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Speaker 10: publicly and privately at the same time.

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Speaker 8: And I actually mapped those statements over time.

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Speaker 10: And there was no willingness by Fauci to consider that

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Speaker 10: his participation in this paper and its prompting and in

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Speaker 10: reading drafts, basically reading over the shoulders of these virologists

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Speaker 10: who were writing about the possibility of a lab leakue

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Speaker 10: early in the pandemic, there was no willingness on his

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Speaker 10: part to consider that his influence, his power as the

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Speaker 10: head of NIAID, which oversees billions of dollars in research grants,

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Speaker 10: was inappropriate in itself, even if he didn't directly edit

875
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Speaker 10: the paper.

876
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Speaker 8: I think if you know, as the virologists who wrote that.

877
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Speaker 10: Paper knew that NIAID Fauci's institute had funded gain of

878
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 10: function research in Wuhan, and you know he was reading

879
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 10: over your shoulder, you have an enormous incentive to only

880
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 10: accumulate evidence in one direction, and that is what is

881
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 10: borne out by the foud emails, by the slack messages

882
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 10: that were subpoenaed by the Congressional committee. And the virologists

883
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 10: even described one of the core concepts of their paper

884
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 10: as crap, and it was in fact ghost written by

885
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Speaker 10: one of the most infamous gain of function virologists of

886
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Speaker 10: all time, Ron Fuchier, who they internally described as unbelievably conflicted.

887
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 10: So they put out this paper, put their names on it,

888
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 10: not really believing in one of its core concepts, and

889
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 10: that happened after they participated in a teleconference with Fauci. This,

890
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 10: I mean, giant in science and someone who never saw

891
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 10: their funding. Wow, how do they make their livelihood?

892
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so stunning.

893
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Speaker 2: In One of the things that you've always done a

894
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: great job of is that doctor Fauci and a lot

895
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Speaker 2: of the scientific community and the media now at this

896
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: point would rather call this a conspiracy theory and effectively

897
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Speaker 2: cover up their own complicity in this question than actually

898
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Speaker 2: answer to the one million or so people who in

899
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Speaker 2: this country who died you know from this is or

900
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: at least you know, whatever you can describe the debts

901
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: in whatever you want. At the very least, we know

902
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: it was what a couple hundred thousand and the very

903
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: minimum of people who died from this disease, and from

904
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Speaker 2: your reporting, as we know from last time around, it

905
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: is almost certainly a lab leak. And yet you know,

906
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: we see all of this effort in Congress to change,

907
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: for example, the definition of gain of function research. So

908
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 2: could you describe a little bit that does because Fauci,

909
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: in the estimation of a lot of scientists, has committed

910
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: perjury by trying to change the definition of gain of

911
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: function research. Did he stick to that in his testimony

912
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 2: when you were there, and what is exactly his excuse?

913
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Speaker 10: He did double down on the false claim that ANIAID

914
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 10: did not fund gain a function research in Wuhan. But

915
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Speaker 10: I actually want to address your first point very briefly.

916
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 10: I think the main takeaway from the hearing yesterday should

917
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 10: have been that Fauci oversaw probably the most catastrophic.

918
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 8: Policy failure in modern history.

919
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 10: Which is the exportation of high risk virology to an

920
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 10: adversarial country, a secretive country that did not have adequate

921
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 10: protections against airborne viruses. But the main takeaway that I

922
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 10: had sitting in that hearing room yesterday is that no

923
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 10: bureaucrats should be the head of a federal agency overseeing

924
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 10: billions of dollars for decades upon decades upon decades like

925
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 10: Fauchi has, because his influence in Congress and the press

926
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 10: and the scientific community really comes across because he keeps

927
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 10: making these false statements with apparently no consequences. And so

928
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Speaker 10: as you were saying, I believe committed perjury by continually

929
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Speaker 10: conflating gain of function research and this other term called

930
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 10: enhanced pandemic potential pathogen.

931
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 8: So in order to conceal the fact that he lied to.

932
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Speaker 10: Congress and his exchanges with Senator Ran Paul in twenty

933
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 10: twenty one when he said his institute never funded gain

934
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 10: of function research in Wuhan, he said, well, that's the

935
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Speaker 10: general understanding, and my more technical, sophisticated understanding as a

936
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Speaker 10: scientist is enhanced pandemic potential pathogens. So gain of function

937
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 10: research refers to enhancing any pathogen in the lab, and

938
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Speaker 10: enhanced pandemic potential pathogen refers to enhancing a virus that

939
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Speaker 10: is already very dangerous, very deadly, and transmissible got it

940
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 10: and the gain of function research that was occurring in

941
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Speaker 10: Wuhan certainly meets that first definition. There was no general

942
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Speaker 10: understanding of gain of function research when those exchanges with

943
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Speaker 10: Senator Paul happened.

944
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Speaker 8: No one had ever heard of.

945
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Speaker 10: It, So the idea of that Fauci is now retrospectively

946
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 10: applying this term that did not exist at the time

947
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 10: the experiments were proved. It's like he thinks that he

948
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 10: can bend space and time through his power as the

949
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 10: former head of NIAID, which I think is sort of

950
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 10: perverse because at the same time, he's not taking accountability

951
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 10: for those projects having been approved despite his signature.

952
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 8: Being on them.

953
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 10: So on the one hand, he thinks he can redefine

954
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 10: regulatory frameworks single handedly in order to cover up his perjury,

955
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 10: but also take no accountability for what happened in Wuhan,

956
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Speaker 10: and that's just inexcusable.

957
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, because, as you said, it was probably

958
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: one of the single greatest policy failures ever in modern history.

959
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Speaker 2: To take your example of why beer crash didn't be

960
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: their power. Ever, what do we all remember about j

961
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: Edgar Hoover and about people who amass vast power in

962
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: the federal bureaucracy with unaccountabilities, they commit atrocities, and then

963
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Speaker 2: it's only after they're gone some thirty forty years later

964
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Speaker 2: they we're gonna be like, oh yeah, that was.

965
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Speaker 3: A real problem.

966
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Speaker 2: By the way, the last time that we checked in

967
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Speaker 2: it was basically a case closed. You know, we were

968
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Speaker 2: checking in the zoonosis theory. There was they moved completely

969
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: away from bats and now we were onto panglins. So

970
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Speaker 2: I wanted to check in again. I think it's been

971
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Speaker 2: like six seven months or whatever since we last spoke.

972
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Speaker 2: Where are we currently now in terms of the zoonosis theory?

973
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Speaker 2: What are they still grasping at or do they not

974
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Speaker 2: even try now at this point to justify it.

975
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Speaker 8: I think to.

976
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Speaker 10: Some degree the attitude in the press and the scientific

977
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 10: community is case closed, but in the other direction that

978
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Speaker 10: the wet market theory is infallible, and in fact, that's

979
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 10: been there the approach since February twenty twenty, before we

980
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 10: had much information at all, with the publication of proximal origin,

981
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Speaker 10: that paper I was referring to earlier. There have been

982
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Speaker 10: criticisms of the two landmark papers and science that were

983
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Speaker 10: championed by The New York Times as I'm sort of

984
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 10: a case close for the natural origin theory. There have

985
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Speaker 10: been critiques of that by people who are experts in

986
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Speaker 10: spatial statistics that the idea that early case is cluster

987
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Speaker 10: around the wet market is based on that analysis. We

988
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Speaker 10: already kind of knew that the data was compromised because

989
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 10: there was an early focus on the wet market that

990
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Speaker 10: could have biased the data, and because there's so much

991
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Speaker 10: censorship in China around that early pandemic period, So we

992
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Speaker 10: already knew.

993
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Speaker 8: That the data was pretty sketchy.

994
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Speaker 10: But recently papers have come out in Peer review journal

995
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Speaker 10: suggesting that the analysis applied to those data were also sketchy.

996
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Speaker 3: Wow, that's amazing. So it's even more bunk than which

997
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Speaker 3: you originally started out. Where can people find and support

998
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Speaker 3: your work, Emily?

999
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Speaker 10: You can find us at us Right to Know, or

1000
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 10: you can follow me on Twitter Emlia Coop.

1001
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Speaker 2: All right, we will have links down the description. As

1002
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Speaker 2: I said, the pre eminent reporter on this subject. In

1003
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Speaker 2: my opinion, she should have won on a Palitzer prize,

1004
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Speaker 2: but you know, it's the country that we live in.

1005
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Speaker 3: So Emily, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Thanks so much,