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Speaker 1: is up Straight Fire, Ram. It's the Jason McIntyre Straight

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Speaker 1: Fire for Monday, June fifth. A wacky night in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Some fluky stuff going on in the altitude at Denver.

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Speaker 1: The Miami Heat claw back into the series. A bit

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Speaker 1: of a shocker. We'll get to it shortly. But to

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Speaker 1: the those of you consuming this via video for the

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Speaker 1: first time, Yes, we are in video now on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: You know you're not used to the usual Monday podcast

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Speaker 1: and I like to open with a little, you know,

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Speaker 1: weekend happenings in the world of Jay mack as. I

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Speaker 1: like to, you know, brag about my recreational sports habit,

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Speaker 1: which my wife does not love and I love. So

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Speaker 1: I played in the soccer tournament. I basically do two

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Speaker 1: soccer tournaments a year, Parent tournaments, and we happen to

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Speaker 1: win the championship, which was really nice. I got an

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Speaker 1: assistant to the assistant general manager credit for roping in

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Speaker 1: a couple guys who ended up being integral to our team.

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Speaker 1: One of them was the MVP. We won three to

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Speaker 1: two in the championship. I wasn't really a factor in

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Speaker 1: the Championship. I had a bad game in the Semis,

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Speaker 1: but I did have a ridiculously nice back heel goal

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Speaker 1: in a nine to nothing drubbing of like some parents,

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Speaker 1: but at any rate. So I couldn't play in the

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Speaker 1: men's league because I was exhausted from soccer. Now I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you I've been in the men's league out

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Speaker 1: here in Torrance and we won the championship two years ago,

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Speaker 1: went to the top level. We lost in the finals.

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Speaker 1: Very upset about it, so he recruited some new talent

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Speaker 1: And you know, he's like twenty four years old. And

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Speaker 1: I know you think, of Jay, you're old. Why are

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Speaker 1: you playing with this guy? Here's the reason I like

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Speaker 1: to do NBA comps for all the guys on our team,

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Speaker 1: and we're on a text chain and they love it

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Speaker 1: when I make like, you know, this guy's Gordon Hey,

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Speaker 1: and this guy's who else did I have? I think

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Speaker 1: I had somebody was who's the guard buddy heel and

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Speaker 1: then someone else. You know, I like do these comparisons,

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Speaker 1: and instantly after the game, one of my buddies is

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Speaker 1: texting me from the from the team, Dude, who is

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Speaker 1: this guy's NBA com handle? Was insane? Totally controlling the game.

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Speaker 1: And my first thought was he's like a young Chris

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Speaker 1: Paul out there. I mean, he had the ball on

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Speaker 1: a string. The other team was so frustrated. And here's

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Speaker 1: the best part, and I'll get to the Nuggets Heat

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Speaker 1: game in a second. The best part is after the game.

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Speaker 1: The opposing team a big Herd fans, so like during

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Speaker 1: the game, they were talking to me because I just

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Speaker 1: they watched The Herd regularly. So right after the game

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Speaker 1: they come up to me and they're like, dude, are

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Speaker 1: you gonna talk about this game tomorrow? I was like, ah,

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Speaker 1: on the Herd. And you know, we're leading this team

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Speaker 1: the whole time. By ten. They had some good they

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Speaker 1: not a lot of team basketball, which is what we

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Speaker 1: And at one point they were one of their best

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Speaker 1: like the Minnesota Timberwolves. He was so frustrated that the

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Speaker 1: terminally bored. So let's get to Miami one to eleven,

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Speaker 1: Denver one oh eight. In Yes, a bit of a

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Speaker 1: shocker if you consider Miami made seventeen three pointers and

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Speaker 1: they got the consummate team effort and it was captured

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Speaker 1: at least three threes. No, maybe it was two and

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Speaker 1: it was, yeah, two threes in the fourth quarter. Denver

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Speaker 1: In the previous two game two's the opponent from fatigue

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Speaker 1: in the history of the NBA Finals. Eleven of sixteen

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Speaker 1: basically ungodly in the NBA. And you take all that

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Speaker 1: They have a great coach. By the way, we'll get

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Speaker 1: a minute. I don't think this is sustainable, and I

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Speaker 1: the Heat are shooting from threes in the playoffs like

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Speaker 1: Miami get a game? I think that's a logical conclusion.

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Speaker 1: but this is key. Four assists, five turnovers. Jokic had

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Speaker 1: What happened? Well, I guess the untrained eye before the

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Speaker 1: Throughout the series. They've been doing that. Not no, sorry,

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Speaker 1: not the series, the playoffs, all the Denver other guys

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Speaker 1: to simplify things for Spolstra again here it comes. But

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Speaker 1: twenty eight shots for Yolks, fifteen for Murray and a

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Speaker 1: gonna go in a lot of Nuggets fans are kind

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Speaker 1: thirty four shots, one starter, twenty eight. Now, Yokis was

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Speaker 1: that's essentially what she said, And almost immediately Spolster cut

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Speaker 1: the untrained eye will see something like that. Well, dude,

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Speaker 1: Like obviously Spolstra one of the best coaches in the league.

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Speaker 1: Let's be real, dude, You've got two options. You can

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Speaker 1: let Yokichi or you cannot let the other guys eat.

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Speaker 1: And they chose door number two and it kind of worked.

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Speaker 1: Now again, I don't think it's gonna work throughout the series.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they've solved Denver. I'm gonna remind everyone

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Speaker 1: Denver led by eight heading into the fourth Denver led

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Speaker 1: I think in the second by I've taken all these

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Speaker 1: the way, Miami's bench was largely abysmal outside of dougle Robinson.

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Speaker 1: Of course high Smith. Remember how high Smith was supposed

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Speaker 1: hig Smith, Highsmith, he could hang with Yokic minus seventeen

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Speaker 1: the College Basketball NCAA Tournament Player Points Pool. What can

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Speaker 1: you say, Rob, You know, this is what I do.

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Speaker 1: I like hoops, my first love as a kid with soccer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the only thing I love more than

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Speaker 1: Period.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's not even argument. And these guys

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Speaker 1: need you to host. I mean it was I don't

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Speaker 1: I try not to panic a lot. I'm not good

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Speaker 1: at that I'm working on it. I was straight up nervous, like,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I've got like no time to prepare.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any like strong. I didn't really have

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Speaker 1: an amazing takeoff game one because it was kind of

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Speaker 1: a crappy game and I needed like a lot And oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Alex Curry, who did the show with

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Speaker 1: me Thursday, she was just unavailable, like they hadn't planned

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Speaker 1: her to be in, and so it was me solo

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Speaker 1: for three hours. And I think there was like, you know,

436
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Speaker 1: I'm bearing this deep into the podcast. I think there

437
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Speaker 1: was some nerves on the staff like, oh geez, Jason's

438
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Speaker 1: got to do three hours of TV by himself, and

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Speaker 1: like after the initial oh my gosh, we're off, I

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Speaker 1: was just like, hey, let's get back up, getting back

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Speaker 1: on a bike. As Rob knows, he was my producer

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Speaker 1: when I had a three hour radio show for like

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Speaker 1: five years maybe six at Fox Sports Radio. Now there

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Speaker 1: was no TV element there, And this is a little

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Speaker 1: bit more of a sweat because you're on camera and

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Speaker 1: you have to be looking at the camera and be presentable,

447
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Speaker 1: and like you know, you're doing a radio show, you

448
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Speaker 1: could just kind of look at your computer the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Not the whole time, but you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And it was one of those like good challenging moments

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Speaker 1: kind of thrust into Now, Rob, I know you've had

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Speaker 1: to fill in like spotty in duty on the couple, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where Broussard or Parker route. Initially it's a little nerve wracking,

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Speaker 1: then it's like exciting, like, oh, this is my show.

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Speaker 1: I got a chance to shine and spread my wings. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think I guess the only difference between normally

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Speaker 2: when I'm well, the biggest difference is you're on TV.

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Speaker 2: That's a huge difference, Like you said, having to you know,

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Speaker 2: be looking at a camera and you're not like shuffling

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Speaker 2: through notes while you're talking, because you just can't do

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Speaker 2: that on TV like you can on radio. That's obviously

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Speaker 2: the biggest thing. But the other thing that helps me

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Speaker 2: is that because I'm producing the show, I kind of

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Speaker 2: already know what the topics are going to be anyways,

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Speaker 2: So I'm not flying blind as kind of as you are,

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Speaker 2: having to come in last minute and just really put

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Speaker 2: a show together. I will say I caught a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I didn't catch the whole thing of you on Friday.

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Speaker 2: It's a little shocking that you say that you had

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Speaker 2: nerves considering you set the Phoenix Suns fan base on

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Speaker 2: fire on Friday, and I'm getting tagged in tweets like

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Speaker 2: I had anything to do with it. I'm like, come on,

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Speaker 2: that's that's not that's not me.

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Speaker 1: Wait why because you're a Laker, because you're a late

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Speaker 1: number one Laker fan.

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Speaker 2: No, because they know that I work with you, so

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Speaker 2: obviously you know I must be ok association.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the audience cares, but that's fair. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They were even tagging a guy who goes on the

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Speaker 1: hurt Eddie Johnson, former Sons sharpshooter from like the eighties

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Speaker 1: or nineties, and they were like, Eddie, you've got to

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Speaker 1: rip this guy. And Eddie's like, I disagree. Obviously not toxic,

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Speaker 1: but now I can elaborate. We got the podcast, okay,

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Speaker 1: So I said, I don't want to get my words

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Speaker 1: wrong here. But essentially I said, and we talked about

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Speaker 1: it on the pod, like is it a good environment

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Speaker 1: in Phoenix? Nick Nurse could have picked any job he wanted.

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Speaker 1: He took the Sixers with the uncertainty of James Harden.

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Speaker 1: Monty Williams obviously was let go. Who was the other coat.

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Speaker 1: Frank Vogel is who they ended up hiring in Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: But Milwaukee's job was Phil first. Philly's job was Phil first.

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Speaker 1: Phoenix the job with Kevin Durant Devin Booker was Phil last.

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Speaker 1: And I just I you know, there be many many

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Speaker 1: reasons why. Maybe the new owner was cool with that,

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Speaker 1: and he had no problem waiting for Last. He wanted

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Speaker 1: to get his guy, we'll see. I like Frank Vogel

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Speaker 1: probably more than most people. But between the Devin Booker

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Speaker 1: and Chris Paul versus DeAndre Ayton, which is really a thing,

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Speaker 1: and you guys know this, it's a thing. Don't try

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Speaker 1: to act like it's nothing. Don't try to act like Frank.

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Speaker 1: Like Frank Vogel may come in and try tomend fences,

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Speaker 1: but I don't see that happening. They do not like him, guys.

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Speaker 1: His work ethic is not there Chris Paul, Devin Booker,

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Speaker 1: they're out. I'm not breaking any ground here. They don't

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Speaker 1: obviously listen, their teammates don't hate the guy. They're like,

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Speaker 1: they're not like I'm gonna not come to training camp

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Speaker 1: if he's on the roster, nothing like that. But they

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Speaker 1: know his work ethic. They've been on the team with

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Speaker 1: him now, Booker for many years and Chris Paul for

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Speaker 1: since he joined the team, Like they know what they got.

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Speaker 1: And then you have the Chris Paul situation looming with

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Speaker 1: his contract which is not fully guaranteed, much easier to move.

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Speaker 1: And let's be real, rest of the roster ain't great.

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Speaker 1: They got waxed by Denver, like I mean, embarrassed in

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Speaker 1: Game six at home. So when you add up last

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Speaker 1: job filled Kevin Durant saying back in Brooklyn with Kyrie,

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't just Kyrie who said it, Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 1: I listened to the video before I made this comment,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, we don't need a coach. You can just

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Speaker 1: roll the ball out me Kyrie like okay. And oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, the prospect of an eight and for

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Speaker 1: Kyrie trade, which has been flowed by mark Stein and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people. I mean, we've talked about it

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Speaker 1: here before, like there is so much happening there that

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Speaker 1: I would consider that toxic. Now, Rob, I'm sure that

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Speaker 1: people hear that word. It's strong. But I'll say I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you where I got the word. My son is

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Speaker 1: in a chess club and him and some other kids,

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Speaker 1: you know, hang out and I'm driving him around or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and they got kind of hooked on the word toxic

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Speaker 1: for several days and they keep using it and it

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Speaker 1: seemed like a good word to fit at the time.

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Speaker 1: And now go ahead and tell me I'm an idiot.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think you're I mean, I think toxic

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Speaker 2: is a strong word, but maybe a little bit. But

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Speaker 2: even still, I don't think you mentioned what would be

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Speaker 2: considered the quote unquote worst most toxic part of the

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Speaker 2: whole situation is the new owner. And that's the new

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Speaker 2: owner woaj who is the most plugged in NBA reporter,

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Speaker 2: you know, period point bank period reported At one point

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Speaker 2: during when Mani Williams first got fired quote Matt Ishbio

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Speaker 2: was fully taken over the franchises basketball operations. A few

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Speaker 2: different websites caught that they screen grabbed that specific sentence.

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Speaker 2: Next you know, he edits it and reposts it and

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Speaker 2: takes that sentence out. But as whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 1: I I did not see this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that happens right when Monty Williams.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying that the initial clip which is real

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Speaker 1: or was it ai which.

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Speaker 2: Is which is a real? In Woja's column about the firing,

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Speaker 2: and obviously he took it down. I'm assuming because look,

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Speaker 2: we don't Woja. He doesn't put things out there to

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Speaker 2: put him out there, so he must have got told

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Speaker 2: later they that sounds aggressive, that sounds a little bit

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Speaker 2: too strong. Please remove that, and as a favorite, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'll take it down. What I think the overall story still.

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Speaker 1: Totally ncapped, which is so let's be wrong, even Haines

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Speaker 1: to bolster your point, I think Hayden said, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's his run in the show, didn't consult with the

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Speaker 1: GM when he went to get Kevin Durrit, not that

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Speaker 1: he asked you that he's a billionaire. He bought the

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Speaker 1: team do.

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Speaker 2: Whatever that Chris Haynes reported that he wanted Isaiah Thomas

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Speaker 2: to come here. You remember, and these guys are are

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Speaker 2: reputable sources. They don't just throw stuff against the wall

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Speaker 2: like they're really good. And then last thing, Frank Volgel

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Speaker 2: gets the job. I'm happy for Frank. I think he's

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Speaker 2: a good coach. I think he's gonna do really well there.

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Speaker 2: But it's you notice in a few of these recaps

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Speaker 2: about why he was chosen, the word you kept seeing

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Speaker 2: was he's a collaborative guy, which is code for as

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Speaker 2: a few people pointed out. For pointed out when he

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Speaker 2: got the Lakers gig, it was you're keeping on this

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Speaker 2: assistant coach, Jason Kidd is your assistant if you get

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Speaker 2: the job, point blank period. Okay, the son say you're

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Speaker 2: keeping our lead assistant. We're gonna make him highest paid

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Speaker 2: assistant if you get this job, point blank period. So

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Speaker 2: what it reads to me is, Frank Vogel, we are

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Speaker 2: going to hire you. But don't get it twisted. Ownership

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Speaker 2: is running this thing. This is not you just coaching

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00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 2: the job. This is us overloading everything Jerry Jones style,

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Speaker 2: and you do the day to day stuff. But we're tech.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're the ones in charge, not you.

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Speaker 1: It might not sound like an enviable gig to a

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Speaker 1: lot of people with that scenario. It's basically like your

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Speaker 1: boss hires you, but you're really hamstrung into who you

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Speaker 1: can bring in and what you can do. What the

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00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: bottom line is, he's coaching Kevin Durant and Devin Booker,

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Speaker 1: two of the best fifteen the fifteen to twelve players

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Speaker 1: in the league, and they were the NBA Finals favorite

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Speaker 1: for some time there. Vegas respects him. I mean, durantsid

592
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Speaker 1: all time great, Devin Booker's really really good. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think you take that job if

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Speaker 1: you're Frank Vogel, plus you want to rebound from the

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Speaker 1: toxicity that you experienced with Russell Westbrook and Lebron out

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Speaker 1: in LA. So I don't know. I don't really have

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Speaker 1: any regrets for using that phrase about the Suns, but

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Speaker 1: I get it. I mean all week, I literally did

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Speaker 1: not open social Twitter, you know him on the gram

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Speaker 1: after maybe like four o'clock on Friday Pacific time, I

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Speaker 1: like didn't open Twitter at all. I didn't do anything

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Speaker 1: on there. Nothing. It's like there's no games. I didn't

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Speaker 1: need to see who won the Dodgers Yankee series? Rob Yankees,

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00:31:53,760 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: oh handily or close to two games. To one we'll taken. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I have, we got. We ended up getting

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Speaker 1: Yankees tickets here for damn. I thought it was coming up,

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00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: but I guess it's a little later. Maybe it's in July.

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Speaker 1: Very excited, try to go to a good Dodgers game

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00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: every year, but baseball is a tough sell in June,

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Speaker 1: you know. Anyways, all right, we rambled way too long

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Speaker 1: on a Monday. Talk to you guys tomorrow.