WEBVTT - Five More Days with Samantha Bee and Van Jones 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.520 Cancer Straight Talk is a podcast for Memorial Sloan Kettering 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:08.000 Cancer Center where hosts doctor Diane Reedy Lagunas has intimate 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:13.080 conversations with patients and experts about topics like dating and sex, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.240 exercise and diet, the power of gratitude, and more. I 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.720 love being her guest. Listen to Cancer Straight Talk. You'll 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:27.200 learn so much. Hi everyone, I'm Kitty Kuric and this 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:34.519 is next question. Well, folks, we're taping this episode the 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:38.720 morning after a pretty shocking Trump rally that took place 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:43.519 at Madison Square Garden. The rhetoric was more inflammatory than 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.640 ever as if that's possible. My friend, comedian and cultural 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:52.000 commentator Sam b is here today. Is my plus one. Sam. Hi, 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.320 how are you? It's so good to see you. 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.960 I swear to God, you know what, There's nowhere i'd 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.080 rather be than right here talking to you right now. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:00:59.760 I'll tell you right. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.280 Oh good lord. We have so much to talk about. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.240 But first, how how have you been? I haven't seen 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:09.000 you in person for quite a while. I miss you 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.360 and your show, but you've been staying very busy, Sam, 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.120 tell us what you've been up to? Very busy? 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.120 I did I did a one woman show called How 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.840 to Survive a Mental pas, which I loved so much 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:23.720 and it was probably just like one of the most 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:28.000 fun creative experiences I've had in a really long time. 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:29.720 So I'm going to do it more. I just don't 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.920 know when. And I'm doing the Daily Beast podcast with 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:37.039 Joanna Coles, which is super fun. It's like a it's 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.480 a pretty great outfit and we get to like plunder 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.280 their reporting in a really fun way. It's been I 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.280 don't know, I'm just kind of going along for the ride. 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:44.800 I like it. 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.560 And you're you're You're Canadian. You're in Toronto right now, 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.800 I am. Do you have you have Canadian citizenship? Have 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:53.240 you been thinking about that? 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.760 It's I'm just lightly scoping out neighborhoods, you know what 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:58.720 I mean. Like, I'm not sure i'd go back to 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:00.800 the neighborhood where I grew up, but I'm just like, 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:06.440 that's interesting. Look at this delightful neighborhood with these coffee shops. 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:11.799 This is very lovable. People aren't at the absolute end 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.600 of their rope at all moments of the day and night. 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.480 It's an interesting vibe. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.720 I know, well, you can't say that about this country, 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.800 right now you can kind of feel it in the air, 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:29.960 the anxiety, the trepidation, the sphincter tightening that is going on. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.320 And whenever I can use the word sphincter, I like 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.760 to embrace that. And why I couldn't think of someone 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.560 who would be a better partner my plus one to 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.880 talk to one of my favorite people, Van Jones, about 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:49.080 what is happening right now in our country, because honestly, 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.480 I don't know what to make of it anymore. And 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:56.880 that's why Van is going to explain it all to us. 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.640 I think in many ways, Van Jones has been a 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.080 kind of north star during the course of this election, 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:07.200 although at times even his magnanimity that's a good word, 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.520 look it up has been tested. So how do we 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.480 get here? What does this say about us? Could Kamala 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:19.040 have done anything differently? And what about Trump's closing argument? 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.320 Van Jones? Welcome to Next Question with my co host 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:24.360 Samantha Bee. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:30.520 Helloathan, Hello, been blessed to be a guest with sam 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:31.880 in the past, so it's good to be that. 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.120 It's nice to see and of course she loved me too. Van, 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:36.640 can we please at that we. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.920 Well, I mean that goes out. I think the global 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:44.000 love affair with Katie Kuric is unending and all inclusive always. 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.080 Okay, all right, now you're going overboard. But thank you 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.600 for being here, and Gosh, Van, we have so much 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.720 to talk about. I saw you on Bill Maher on 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.720 Friday night. I watched it last night because I had 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:01.400 a wedding out of town and caught up with you there. Obviously, 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:06.480 I watch you on CNN and big fan, Van, big fan, 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:07.760 and you've. 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:11.120 Always been very kind and very encouraging. I sincerely appreciate it. 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:15.400 Really well, let's talk about Gosh. I guess the latest 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.200 thing we need to talk about is what happened last 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.720 night right here in New York City, not far from 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:26.120 where I live at Madison Square Garden. Did you all 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:32.039 watch this rally? Did you see clips of it? And 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.440 what can I say? What did you think? 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.120 Look? You know I have a friend who I've been 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.000 talking with her earlier in the day, and you know, 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.880 she's she's frustrated with where the Democrats are a number 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:50.120 of her issues. She's quite progressive, and she was like, 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:54.280 I'm going to vote but and then I sent her 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:59.960 the clip of this horrible bigot making fun of Mexicans 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.159 is talking about. You know, they have so many babies 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.560 they have They never pull out. They always come inside 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.839 the same way that they came inside our country. Ha 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.159 ha ha. And when she heard the crowd, this massive crowd, 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:17.919 one of Trump's biggest crowd, laughing, laughing, laughing and making 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:22.039 fun of Mexican immigrants like her and Puerto Ricans, you know, 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.440 she immediately started sending it around to her family members 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:28.080 because like, this is a choice. You know, we have 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:33.760 as always imperfect, you know, Democratic candidates, except for Barack Obama, 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:40.839 they've all been imperfect. And then we have a literal 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:46.200 clown car fascist who was doing like racist insult comedy 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.160 eight days away from an election. You know, there's a 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:51.640 lot going on. Like I don't know if you guys 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.000 know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.720 in the middle of the ocean right now. Yeah, I 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:02.000 think it's called Puerto Rico. I don't get it. Like, 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:06.680 there's no if you need more information than that, And 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.040 there there was no rebuke. There's nobody to come out 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.040 and said that we don't believe in that. Well, no, 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.480 they love that. They are going to pull off the 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:17.200 biggest con ever, and that they're going to get black 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.320 some black people marginally more than what would have given 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.640 them a vote, and some Latin people to vote for 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.000 someone who is going to turn around and do a 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:30.560 massive crackdown on black and brown communities. Colm was trying 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.039 to lift people up. Trump wants to lock people up. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.320 And you know that's where we are eight days out. 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.159 Sam as a comedian, Yeah, I had to ask you 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.760 about the quality of the humor. Obviously it was insulting, 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.120 but it wasn't even funny, you know what the. 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.440 Crazy the thing that is so I mean, everything about 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:51.240 it is so incredibly disheartening and I definitely watched it 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.400 sitting on those side just kind of just like just 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.440 like in a state of disbelief from like this is 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:03.000 who you you know this comedian like Tony Hunchcliff, Like 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.160 they hired him, they asked him to come and do this. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:10.040 They know by the way, Sam, it's like a he's like. 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.000 Very well known for like roasting people. He's like a 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.200 roast comic and he did you know he did one 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.640 that Tom Brady wrote like he does really like outrageous, 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:24.680 like like super just like hardcore, like pushing the boundaries 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.480 that's like his signature. That's his signature. If you've watched 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.600 one minute of his comedy, you know exactly what he's 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.240 all about. So having him come to a political rally 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.560 with tens of thousands of people there that's going to 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:40.680 be watched like nationwide, is on purpose. It's an on 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.120 purpose dog whistle. When you pay this person to come 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.120 and speak at your thing, you know what you're getting. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.800 I wouldn't say it was a dog whistle, right, it 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.600 was just it's just like a right, just like. 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:55.600 A blowhorn, Like you know, they all knew what was 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.120 going to happen, and unfortunately I just kind of go, wow, 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.040 that's so an intentional Like this is where your part is. 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.160 This is where you want people to vote for you, 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.240 but this is what this is what you have intentionally 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.920 put out in the world as a representative of you 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:13.400 and all the people that you stand for. 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.600 Like it's so awful. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.320 I want to just I feel like I don't even know, 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.880 I don't even know what to do, and it's working 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.280 for them in a way because they're getting wall to 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.960 wall free press for it, and I'm like, wow, this 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.080 is like it's like Machiavellian. I'm like, I can't believe 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.760 that anyone could look at this person and think that 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:40.120 this crew of people could possibly be the president of 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:44.640 all Americans. Is so disgusting to me on such a 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.640 deep level, Like how dare you? 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.440 I think a lot of people, and we live in 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.800 like the United States of Amnesia, right, A lot of 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.000 people really have just kind of forgotten how bad it was, 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.600 you know, in during the years, and I think people 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.400 have I thinks a couple of these going on one 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:04.200 as people remember that they were good economic times, they 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:09.120 forget that that was the Obama economy that Trump inherited. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.880 I mean Obama we had, we had seventy five straight 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:17.200 months of job growth under Obama. He handed that off 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:22.559 to Trump. It actually slowed down under Trump, but he 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.079 still had the good momentum from the Obama years. And 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.720 then he started chasing off all the good people around him, 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.599 and by the time he got to COVID, he was 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:32.800 down to not the B team, not the C team, 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:36.040 but the D team. He had taken Obama's playbook for 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.559 a pandemic and put in a garbage cant someplace, dismountled 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.920 that whole function in the federal government. So we had 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:47.120 a million, six hundred thousand extra Americans die because Trump 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:51.360 had a d team around him and they had thrown 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.160 away the eight teams playbook and didn't know what that 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.480 well he was doing. I was talking about injecting bleach. 0:09:55.840 --> 0:10:00.400 So you had a worse economic performance under Trump. Only 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.040 thing that Trump did for the economy was cut tactics 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.880 for rich people. He didn't pass Obamacare, he didn't do 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.360 anything to help anybody, but he put his name on 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:12.079 stimulus checks, and so people think that Trump was for them. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.880 So that was terrible. But then the thing that's even 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.959 more awful is it going forward? People say, well, it 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:22.000 wasn't so bad before. Democrats always scream hit, leer and racist. 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:23.880 I don't have to listen. I said, you know what, honestly, 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:29.440 you have a point. If you're a conservative. We said 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.000 Romney was unfit, we said we didn't like John McCain. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:37.040 You have a point to say. They Democrats always attack 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.760 our nominee. And you might be rational and saying I'm 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.040 not going to listen to Democrats, but you should listen 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.920 to Republicans. You should listen to all the Republicans who 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.160 serve with them. Do just listen to all the generals 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.120 who serve with them, who are screaming and yelling and saying, 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.640 this guy is completely incompetent. You should listen to the 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.800 Supreme Court that says now Supreme that the president can 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.920 be lawless, which that was a restraint before. Now there's 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.480 no restraint from the Supreme You have people who are 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:06.040 Republicans saying he's a racist and a fascist, and you 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.880 will no longer have You won't even have the D team. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.400 You're going to have the Z team around him in 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.319 the White House. This is this is a very very 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.120 serious threat that we're facing eighty days. 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:20.560 I want to know why you think people have amnesia. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:25.880 I think you know what are the root causes and 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:32.360 the root reasons that you think people are gravitating to 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.040 Donald Trump and the race is so tight. 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:39.200 I think social media. I think there's a big campaign 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:43.199 from Russia, China and Roan to just discourage and distress progresses, 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.800 and so I think that's more effective than that. Honestly, 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:52.439 I think that RFK Junior supporting Trump has hurt us, 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:57.280 hurt progressive and helped Trump more than people really understand. 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.520 Because I do think that the make America healthy again Maha, 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.400 that slogan does appeal to some people in the yoga 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.560 and kil crowd and other people who. 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:06.800 The wellness community. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.800 Wellness community has been pulled very far to the right, 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.640 frankly objectively, in ways that I think people are not tracking. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:18.080 So I do think that there's that, But but yeah, 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.839 I think people are hurting and uncertain. I think that 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.640 you know, it sucks to go at the grocery store 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.240 and have to take stuff out of your cart and 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.439 put it back on the shelf because you know, you're 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.560 watching those numbers go up in a way that's kind 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.199 of scary. I think. I think the economy managed a 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.199 lot of people, and you know, everything is twenty percent 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.959 more expected than it used to be. And now that 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:43.559 was a worldwide global phenomenon and we beat it back better, 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:47.120 faster and quicker than era. But people don't like that 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.280 kind of thing, and there's a lot of disinformation out 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:49.560 there too. 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:51.760 I was going to say, do you think that people 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.520 understand that Joe Biden. I mean, my husband and I 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.600 talk about this because he thinks that Joe Biden has 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.559 had impact on inflation. I say that it's sort of 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:08.520 a worldwide trend, as you do, Van, But were there 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:12.760 things that Joe Biden could have done to get prices 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.559 down at the grocery store. Was flooding the economy with 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.840 all the COVID money was flooding, you know, with adding 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.640 to the deficit with student loan forgiveness. I'm not the 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.160 economy is not my strong suit. But were there things 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:32.200 that were initiated by the Biden administration are not done 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:38.719 that have led voters to feel that he could have 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:40.760 had a bigger impact on these things? 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:46.880 Well? Look, possibly, though it's hard to tell. Look, and 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.480 there were people the works of economists warning you might 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.439 be putting too much gas on the fire by doing 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.800 some of the investments and other things that needed to 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.840 get done. But you know what, I think what people 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.439 forget is a lot of that spending you know that 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:07.439 Biden and Harris did on infrastructure. It's still that's that's 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.040 long term, that's not it's not like they just poured 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:11.679 it all on the streets. Everybody went and grabbed it 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:15.160 and like started buying cotton candy. Like long term investments 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.280 in the country payoff over a long period of time, 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.240 they also hit the economy over a long period of time. 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.440 So look, I think you have to just look at 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:28.080 the comparison. We got an inflation down faster than everybody 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.520 else around the world. It was a global problem. There 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.640 were two things happening. You had the supply chains that 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.320 had been you know, backed up, and demand that it 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.800 had been held up because of the COVID pandemic globally, 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.680 and so you know, once everything opened back up, prices 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.960 went through the roof around the world. And you know, 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:52.760 some of biden palsy frankly smart mantary policy from the Fed, 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.960 which Biden had done the doing, also finally beat it 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.720 back down. But you know, you're still up above where 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:00.480 you used to be. I think the thing people don't 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.600 think about enough is Okay, I'm mad about inflation and 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.080 prices today. So I'm going to vote for Donald Trump, 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.840 who is going to make it all massively worse because 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.320 both of his big ideas are inflationary. His big idea 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:17.120 of putting your riffs on everything is going to drive 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:18.720 up prices, and so you're either going to have to 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.680 pay buy more expensive stuff overseas or largely more expensive 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.280 stuff from American producers. You might say that's great for 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:29.080 long term you know, reshoring, but short term prices are 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.520 going to go through the roof. And the other thing 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.520 is grab all the immigrants thrown out of the country, 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.120 which is then going to create a labor shortage, is 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:38.920 going to drive up the price of labor, which is 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:43.280 also inflationary. His two big ideas. If you don't like prices, 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.640 now vote for this guy. He is Captain inflation. He 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.760 is mister Inflation. He is the father of inflation. That's 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:51.960 what you're dealing with with Donald Trump. 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.480 Yeah, and it's not even just just amnesia, because it's 0:15:55.520 --> 0:16:00.440 also like disinformation campaigns like that are just hugging for force. 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.840 It's like, you know, there's a proportion of the American 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.600 electorate who thinks that Joe Biden dismantled Roby Waite and 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.360 you just kind of go what and what now? And 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.000 it's a large proportion. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.880 It's not it's not tiny. I wanted to ask both 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.960 of you, I mean, do you think the Democrats van 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:24.880 are talking enough about these two highly inflationary policy proposals, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:30.200 i e. Tariffs and the Great Deportation And what the 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:34.160 impact is really going to be. Why isn't that registering? 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:40.000 You know, I just don't know. I think the blizzard 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.760 of bs that you have to go with every day 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.120 from the joke. Yet, Babe, I mean, by the time 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.760 you get finished talking about Arnold Palmer's penis and you 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:52.400 know that's just clown joke. I mean it's so hard. 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.040 I mean, that's part of the strategy. I guess it 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.200 just to put just that a blizzard of bs. And 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.680 it's hard to disappoint out basic stuff. Donald Trump will 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:05.000 make inflation worse by throwing out immigrants. It's hard. The 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.840 other thing, it's hard, you know, thinking about this over 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:13.879 the weekend with black men. 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But they're not hearing these 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.879 things about tariffs, and that's what they're listening to. Twenty 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:03.520 four to seven. 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:05.879 Yeah, well, look, you know, you know, you do have 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.320 people who are like really brought into like you know, 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:10.720 Trump media, and you have people who by other media. 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.240 It's the people in the middle who are really just 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.080 not tuned in that much at all. Those are good 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.640 people who decide the election. It's the independent and swing 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.879 voters in swing counties and swing states, and those people. 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.800 That's why do you see Donald Trump going on too 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:30.400 all these podcasts, all these quote unquote bro podcasts, because 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.080 that's where a bunch of people who are not watching 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.480 Bots and Friends, who aren't listening to Rachel Bado, who 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.000 are just that's all, that's that's what they're their kind 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.479 of corny cousin or their crazy uncle does. They're interested 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.560 in sports and other things. He's going after those people, 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:46.600 I think very well, and trying to get these you know, 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:50.080 these guys to come out and vote. It's very, very 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.879 hard to communicate in this environment. And I think that 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:56.400 that's everybody wakes up in the morning, an environment where 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:01.000 there's an algorithm. Your next door neighbor is looking at 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:02.920 their phone at the same time you're looking at your phone, 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.879 and they are seeing completely different things. It's not to 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.120 say that yours is right and there's is wrong. Maybe 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.200 their's is right and yours is wrong. It's just to 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.760 say that it's completely different. And so when you go 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:16.840 out to check your mail box and she goes out 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:20.040 to check her mail box, you're literally living in a different, 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:24.159 algorithmically created world that she didn't pick constantly for herself, 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.600 and you didn't pick constantly for yourself. And so that's 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:33.680 one reason why I really focus on kindness, civility, empathy. 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.000 We're all at the effect of something that we didn't 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:40.000 create or choose. Four years ago. You clicked on something 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.440 about Hillary Clinton, or you clicked on something about you know, 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:47.600 some issue in the environment, and that is still informing 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.720 what your algorithm is giving you. Your next door neighbor 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.320 clicked on something maybe anaquis about, you know, buying a gun, 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.120 and that is now informing four years later what she's 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:01.000 seeing in her algorithm. Then come out and say you're 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.080 an idiot, you're a cult member, you're crazy. The whole 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:08.200 last second, everybody's slow down. Now, somebody, not me and 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:10.880 not you, is creating this division for their own purposes, 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.639 and so mentally, can we be kind? And that's you know, 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:15.560 I try to focus on that and try to remind 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:20.520 myself that none of us chose this crazy, dystopian disinformation 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:23.159 reality that we're living in, and none of I's got 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:23.680 to get out of it. 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:28.960 Okay, mister Rogers, So you're welcome. 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:30.080 You're welcome. 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:36.520 I mean I I aspire to that too. But I 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:40.160 guess one question, and Sam, I'm curious how you feel 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.920 about this? You know, how do you cover Trump? The 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:47.560 media has gotten, you know, tied itself in knots. How 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:50.080 you cover this guy? And I think they're still trying 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:53.480 to figure it out eight years later. Van, you know, 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:57.600 Jeff Zucker got trash for covering all his rallies without 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:01.760 any kind of critical commentary. A company them because they 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:03.560 rated well, right, and now. 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:07.040 You have just in just defense. We were criticizing it 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.919 the whole time, but it turns out just the overall 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:13.000