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Speaker 1: learn so much. Hi everyone, I'm Kitty Kuric and this

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Speaker 1: is next question. Well, folks, we're taping this episode the

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Speaker 1: morning after a pretty shocking Trump rally that took place

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Speaker 1: at Madison Square Garden. The rhetoric was more inflammatory than

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Speaker 1: ever as if that's possible. My friend, comedian and cultural

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Speaker 1: commentator Sam b is here today. Is my plus one. Sam. Hi,

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Speaker 1: how are you? It's so good to see you.

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Speaker 2: I swear to God, you know what, There's nowhere i'd

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Speaker 2: rather be than right here talking to you right now.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you right.

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Speaker 1: Oh good lord. We have so much to talk about.

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Speaker 1: But first, how how have you been? I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: you in person for quite a while. I miss you

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Speaker 1: and your show, but you've been staying very busy, Sam,

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Speaker 1: tell us what you've been up to? Very busy?

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Speaker 2: I did I did a one woman show called How

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Speaker 2: to Survive a Mental pas, which I loved so much

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Speaker 2: and it was probably just like one of the most

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Speaker 2: fun creative experiences I've had in a really long time.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to do it more. I just don't

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Speaker 2: know when. And I'm doing the Daily Beast podcast with

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Speaker 2: Joanna Coles, which is super fun. It's like a it's

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Speaker 2: a pretty great outfit and we get to like plunder

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Speaker 2: their reporting in a really fun way. It's been I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I'm just kind of going along for the ride.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: And you're you're You're Canadian. You're in Toronto right now,

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Speaker 1: I am. Do you have you have Canadian citizenship? Have

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Speaker 1: you been thinking about that?

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Speaker 2: It's I'm just lightly scoping out neighborhoods, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. Like, I'm not sure i'd go back to

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Speaker 2: the neighborhood where I grew up, but I'm just like,

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Speaker 2: that's interesting. Look at this delightful neighborhood with these coffee shops.

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Speaker 2: This is very lovable. People aren't at the absolute end

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Speaker 2: of their rope at all moments of the day and night.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting vibe.

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Speaker 1: I know, well, you can't say that about this country,

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Speaker 1: right now you can kind of feel it in the air,

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Speaker 1: the anxiety, the trepidation, the sphincter tightening that is going on.

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Speaker 1: And whenever I can use the word sphincter, I like

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Speaker 1: to embrace that. And why I couldn't think of someone

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Speaker 1: who would be a better partner my plus one to

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Speaker 1: talk to one of my favorite people, Van Jones, about

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Speaker 1: what is happening right now in our country, because honestly,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of it anymore. And

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Speaker 1: that's why Van is going to explain it all to us.

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Speaker 1: I think in many ways, Van Jones has been a

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Speaker 1: kind of north star during the course of this election,

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Speaker 1: although at times even his magnanimity that's a good word,

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Speaker 1: look it up has been tested. So how do we

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Speaker 1: get here? What does this say about us? Could Kamala

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Speaker 1: have done anything differently? And what about Trump's closing argument?

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Speaker 1: Van Jones? Welcome to Next Question with my co host

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Speaker 1: Samantha Bee.

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Speaker 3: Helloathan, Hello, been blessed to be a guest with sam

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Speaker 3: in the past, so it's good to be that.

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Speaker 1: It's nice to see and of course she loved me too. Van,

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Speaker 1: can we please at that we.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean that goes out. I think the global

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Speaker 3: love affair with Katie Kuric is unending and all inclusive always.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, now you're going overboard. But thank you

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Speaker 1: for being here, and Gosh, Van, we have so much

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Speaker 1: a wedding out of town and caught up with you there. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: Always been very kind and very encouraging. I sincerely appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Really well, let's talk about Gosh. I guess the latest

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Speaker 1: night right here in New York City, not far from

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Speaker 3: Look? You know I have a friend who I've been

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Speaker 3: I'm going to vote but and then I sent her

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Speaker 3: the clip of this horrible bigot making fun of Mexicans

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Speaker 3: is talking about. You know, they have so many babies

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Speaker 3: because like, this is a choice. You know, we have

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Speaker 3: as always imperfect, you know, Democratic candidates, except for Barack Obama,

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Speaker 3: there's no if you need more information than that, And

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Speaker 3: there there was no rebuke. There's nobody to come out

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Speaker 3: biggest con ever, and that they're going to get black

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Speaker 3: And you know that's where we are eight days out.

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Speaker 1: Sam as a comedian, Yeah, I had to ask you

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't even funny, you know what the.

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Speaker 2: Crazy the thing that is so I mean, everything about

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Speaker 2: who you you know this comedian like Tony Hunchcliff, Like

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Speaker 1: They know by the way, Sam, it's like a he's like.

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Speaker 2: Very well known for like roasting people. He's like a

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was a dog whistle, right, it

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Speaker 2: A blowhorn, Like you know, they all knew what was

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Speaker 2: that's so an intentional Like this is where your part is.

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Speaker 1: Like it's so awful.

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Speaker 2: I want to just I feel like I don't even know,

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people, and we live in

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Speaker 3: I mean Obama we had, we had seventy five straight

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Speaker 3: well he was doing. I was talking about injecting bleach.

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Speaker 3: So you had a worse economic performance under Trump. Only

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Speaker 3: I don't have to listen. I said, you know what, honestly,

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court that says now Supreme that the president can

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Speaker 1: I want to know why you think people have amnesia.

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Speaker 1: I think you know what are the root causes and

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and the race is so tight.

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Speaker 3: I think social media. I think there's a big campaign

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Speaker 3: and so I think that's more effective than that. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: I think that RFK Junior supporting Trump has hurt us,

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Speaker 3: hurt progressive and helped Trump more than people really understand.

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Speaker 3: Because I do think that the make America healthy again Maha,

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Speaker 3: Wellness community has been pulled very far to the right,

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Speaker 1: to alienate Puerto Ricans, right, four hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: Puerto Ricans are eligible to vote in Pennsylvania. Did you

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Speaker 1: know that.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that number. I'm happy to hear that number.

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Speaker 1: There's a huge population of Puerto Ricans. Like, why would

435
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Speaker 1: you invite a guy who's going to trash people? Why

436
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Speaker 1: would you say you want to bring back the Alien

437
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Speaker 1: and Sedition Acts of seventeen ninety eight, which gave the

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Speaker 1: president the power to deport non citizens who were subjects

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Speaker 1: of foreign enemies, gave the president the power to deport

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Speaker 1: any alien he considered dangerous, and the Sedition Act, if

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Speaker 1: we need to be reminded, made it a crime to

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Speaker 1: write or publish anything quote, false, scandalous and malicious about

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Speaker 1: the government or the president.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hate to drop this right in the middle

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Speaker 2: of this chat, but this election is close. So actually

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Speaker 2: it works really well, Like it actually works really well,

447
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Speaker 2: because if it didn't work, this election would be like

448
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Speaker 2: a shoeing for Carmel Herro's. But it really super works.

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Speaker 2: And that is my honest feeling.

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Speaker 1: What works. What are you saying? This campaign strategy works.

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Speaker 2: To be this outrageous, It works to have that comedian

452
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Speaker 2: on that stage being so repulsive, like being actually being

453
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Speaker 2: repugnant actually really works for them.

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Speaker 1: And like I don't know what to say.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that it does is, which is even

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Speaker 3: more troubling and more reasons for people who are listening

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Speaker 3: to you get involved and to make sure that everybody

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Speaker 3: bothes and trusts, get their friends to vote, and make

459
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Speaker 3: sure that when you vote, triple it, make sure you're

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Speaker 3: three other people are voting. Is because if he wins

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Speaker 3: with this, he's got a permission structure now to do

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Speaker 3: whatever he wants. If you can be this badly behaved

463
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Speaker 3: before you're the president, if you can tell people, and

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Speaker 3: by the way, notice he will say things like I'm

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Speaker 3: going to lock up all my opponents, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: lock up Nancy Pelosi, I'm going to do all these things,

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Speaker 3: and then all the Republican apologies come out and say

468
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Speaker 3: he doesn't mean that, he's just speaking in hyperperly. And

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Speaker 3: then the next day he says, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I meant what I said, like he's literally will tell

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Speaker 3: that the next interviewer. Well, everybody said he didn't mean it.

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Speaker 3: No I meant it. So here's the thing. If you

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Speaker 3: get elected with that, you can say, with some justification,

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Speaker 3: I have a mandate to lock up all my opponents.

475
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Speaker 3: I told you I was going to do it, and

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Speaker 3: you left it me. I have a mandate to crack

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Speaker 3: down on all of these communities because I told you

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Speaker 3: I was going to deport all these people, and you

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Speaker 3: elect me. So it is unfortunately very effective, but it

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Speaker 3: also should be galvanizing on our side. And I think

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Speaker 3: that for people who believe in democracy, for people who

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Speaker 3: believe in human rights, people who believe in the Constitution.

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Speaker 3: This should be galvanizing on our side. We shouldn't be like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: well I don't like what Kamala said twenty years ago,

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Speaker 3: or I don't like her foreign policy on this thing,

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Speaker 3: or I don't like so therefore I'm going to vote,

487
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: but I'm going to be sad about it. Look, you

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Speaker 3: should vote and be passionate about it, because not only

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Speaker 3: does Kamala actually have plans that will actually help you,

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Speaker 3: like help you get a house, help you get an apprenticeship,

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Speaker 3: help you start a small business, actual plans. With Donald

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Speaker 3: trup has never passed a plan to help you. His

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Speaker 3: only economic adgeda to was passing the tax clubs for

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Speaker 3: his friends. He's never passed a bill to help ordinary Americans.

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Speaker 3: Kalma has a stack of those bills ready to sign.

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Speaker 3: And so, if you care about the future, if you

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Speaker 3: don't want more inflation, if you do want help getting

498
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Speaker 3: for your kid to buy a house, if you want

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Speaker 3: to start a business, there's only one candidate for you,

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Speaker 3: and you should be passionate about it. You should be

501
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Speaker 3: texting everyone you know about it. We lost Florida in

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Speaker 3: year two thousand by five hundred and thirty seven votes.

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Speaker 3: There were almost what one hundred and fifty million votes cast.

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Speaker 3: It came down to five hundred and thirty seven votes

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Speaker 3: in Florida plus five boats in Supreme Court. But that's

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Speaker 3: another story.

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Speaker 1: And well a lot of hanging chats and votes that

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Speaker 1: got thrown away, right sure, sure, but they start every

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Speaker 1: morning with a breakdown of the news and fascinating pop culture,

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Speaker 1: I mean likes.

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Speaker 3: So everyone should be passionate about saying I don't care

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Speaker 3: what you say about any of the deficiencies of Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 3: You know, Donald Trump gets to be lawless, Kamala has

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Speaker 3: to be flawless.

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Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of people have been commenting that on

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Speaker 1: my Instagram.

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Speaker 3: And you know, social media does a great job of reinforcing.

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Speaker 3: If you click like on somebody who's grumpy about, you know,

519
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: any issue, you'll get nine hundred more of those next tomorrow,

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00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 3: and so it will reinforce whatever grumpiness, whatever unhappiness, whatever dispepsia,

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Speaker 3: they will be reinforced. And then if you click or

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Speaker 3: like or share or comment I want, then you'll get

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Speaker 3: nine thousand the next day. And so that's why everybody's

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Speaker 3: so depressed. I'm not on social media, so you know,

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Speaker 3: and I've got a good therapist, so I'm not depressed.

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Speaker 3: But everybody that I know is, you know, miserable. And

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Speaker 3: I'm like, honestly, your life is pretty good. You live

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Speaker 3: in the United States. People are like, well, all these

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Speaker 3: people with all this privilege, you know, the most privileged,

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Speaker 3: every American citizen. There's never been a more privileged people.

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Speaker 3: I don't care if you're black, white, brow, There's never

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Speaker 3: been a more privileged people of people that live in

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Speaker 3: the United States. Today. We have clean near clean war.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we have our problems, but we are in

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Speaker 3: a great position. Everybody's miserable. Why because these things do

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Speaker 3: not give us information.

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Speaker 1: They give you affirmation. That's my famous line that I

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Speaker 1: co opted from my friend Nicole Seligman. Affirmation not information.

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Speaker 3: I like that. And if you happen to have a

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Speaker 3: bad day today, you'll have a worse day tomorrow because

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Speaker 3: whatever you're clicking and liking, that's what it gives you

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Speaker 3: more of. And so yeah, people are you know, the

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Speaker 3: people are unhappy. And so that's why it's rationally a

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Speaker 3: change election. People do want change. The problem is that

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Speaker 3: you know, you said, well, okay, I'm going to vote

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Speaker 3: for change. I'm going to vote to change political parties. No, honey,

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Speaker 3: no sir, no man. The worst thing you could do

548
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: right now is to say we're going to put the

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Speaker 3: car in reverse and go back to this clown car

550
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Speaker 3: administration that boshed COVID, that you know, ruined the Obama economy,

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00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 3: that you have an extra six hundred thousand dead people

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Speaker 3: because this guy didn't know what he was doing, and

553
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: he's more disinhibited now. He's crazier now. The Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: s is he can do more damage now his team

555
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: is worse now. That is not the change that you want.

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Speaker 3: You want the change that Kam was talking about, which

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Speaker 3: is to build on the progress Limiteda has been with

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Speaker 3: Biden and get you more of what you need. That's

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Speaker 3: Kama Harris.

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Speaker 2: At least want someone in the White House who you

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Speaker 2: can have a conversation with, who you can move, who

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Speaker 2: you can like, you can push in a direction that

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Speaker 2: you care about. You just want some You want a

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Speaker 2: coherent voice, like minimally you want a coherent voice in

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Speaker 2: the White House? Please can we please have that?

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Speaker 1: But Van, you know you talk about building on the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration for reasons I guess you know again, food prices,

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Speaker 1: gas prices, housing prices. Whether he's to blame or not,

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Speaker 1: but it happened during his administration. He is incredibly unpopular,

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Speaker 1: and Kamala Harris I don't think has done a very

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Speaker 1: good job. She started to of separating and saying what

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Speaker 1: she would do differently than Joe Biden? And what do

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Speaker 1: you think of that? Could she have said, listen, I'm

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Speaker 1: proud of this, but or we could have done this better.

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Speaker 1: Why is she so cautious about saying how she might

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Speaker 1: approach some problems differently than an incredibly unpopular incumbent.

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Speaker 3: I hate to say this because it's going to sound Look,

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris is a loyal person. That is very It

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Speaker 3: might sound corny. She's she's not going to take out

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Speaker 3: her knife and start stabbing somebody in the back to

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Speaker 3: advance herself. People think that the opposite about Comma said, Oh,

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Speaker 3: she's Matchiavella. She's this, she's at you know, she's tough minded,

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Speaker 3: she's a she's a super practice is she's not She's

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Speaker 3: not California progressive. I'll tell you that's a California. She's

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Speaker 3: never in the progressive camp at all, as you know.

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Speaker 3: But I think that she has a reluctance to say

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Speaker 3: we fucked this up, we fucked that. I don't I

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Speaker 3: don't think she believes it. But also don't think that

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Speaker 3: she is that type of a person. And so I

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Speaker 3: think that I would have preferred if I were if

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Speaker 3: I were her, I would have preferred for her to say,

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Speaker 3: you know what, Joe Biden's a hell of a man.

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Speaker 3: He's done a hell of the job. But everybody has

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Speaker 3: been the number two and had other ideas. I've been

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Speaker 3: number two. I had other ideas. Here's what I wanted

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Speaker 3: to do. But I know no calm for thirty years.

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Speaker 3: She cannot fix her mouth to say something like that.

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Speaker 3: She just can't do it. And so if it's a

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Speaker 3: character flaw that costs her the election, and that character

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Speaker 3: flaw is just too much loyalty to people who gave

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Speaker 3: her a shot, I just I just think you got

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Speaker 3: to eat the whole hamburger will come here. She's not

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00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 3: that kind of person. She is not that kind of politicans.

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Speaker 3: I don't think she believes it. I think that she

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Speaker 3: honestly believes that they did a better job than they

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Speaker 3: get credit for. I think she does have critiques and

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Speaker 3: criticisms of him. But I don't think that she feels

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Speaker 3: comfortable doing that in public. And that's just the reality

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Speaker 3: of it.

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Speaker 2: And also in a very truncated campaign, like it's not

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Speaker 2: you know, when you have like a very narrow window

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Speaker 2: to like come in, take over, take over the whole campaign.

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Speaker 2: You are driving, you are driving to election day. You

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Speaker 2: really do not have time or you don't have like

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Speaker 2: the grace of the public to go sinkly need some

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Speaker 2: mistakes here, you just don't those. It is not the

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Speaker 2: time to like look back, like and go I think

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Speaker 2: we failed on this measure.

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Speaker 1: I think you need to do.

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Speaker 2: I think she is just driving the most forward the

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Speaker 2: best she.

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Speaker 1: Can, like go for it.

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Speaker 3: I just want to say, as a political guy, I

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Speaker 3: agree with Katie that it had been politically smarter and

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Speaker 3: better for her to find a couple of things to say. Look,

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Speaker 3: I wish we had done this earlier. I whish we

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Speaker 3: had done this all. Here's what I learned when I

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Speaker 3: came in. It's unfracking, very easy on fracking. So you

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Speaker 3: know what, as a California Democrat and you know, we

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Speaker 3: were very anti fracking, and I came out of that.

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Speaker 3: But like a lot of California like a lot of Democrats.

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Speaker 3: But here's what I learned in office. I learned, first

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Speaker 3: of all, you can have fracking and also do the

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Speaker 3: clean energy agenda. But much more importantly, I learned that

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Speaker 3: we needed that natural gas we were fracking in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 3: to beat Putin. Putin when I came into office, Putin

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Speaker 3: started threatening Europe. He was going to cut off natural

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Speaker 3: gas and freeze Europeans in their beds because we wanted

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Speaker 3: to defend Ukraine. And I learned we needed that natural

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Speaker 3: gas coming out of Pennsylvania fracking to stop Putent fracking

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Speaker 3: as a part of my geopolitical arsenal to defend democracy.

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Speaker 3: And I would never write, so didn't you tell you that?

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard her say any of that. I heard

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Speaker 1: her say the first part. I heard her say, you

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Speaker 1: can have clean energy and be involved in fracking. That

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Speaker 1: her views have evolved, But what has been sometimes missing

647
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Speaker 1: I think for some voters Van and Sam is sort

648
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: of that second or third sentence to help people understand

649
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more than kind of one or two

650
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: sentences that kind of give the general idea. And I'm like,

651
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Speaker 1: when you're asked about the Supreme Court as she was

652
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: in that CNN town hall. I interviewed Neil Katilla in

653
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Speaker 1: front of his law firm and a bunch of clients. Now,

654
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: he's brilliant, right, he's a constitutional law professor. I mean,

655
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: the guy's brain is unparalleled. And he was talking about

656
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: the pros and cons of expanding this Supreme Court and

657
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: of term limits from a historical perspective. And I don't

658
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: expect her to say that, but I want a little

659
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: bit more meat on the bone van If not so

660
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: much for me, but for listeners. I want her to say,

661
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: you know what, I want to look into this. There's

662
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: some pros to that, there's some cons. But one thing

663
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Speaker 1: I do think is absolutely necessary is a code of

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Speaker 1: ethics for Supreme Court justices who have clearly exhibited a

665
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: conflict of interests on several occasions over the past two years.

666
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know.

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00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: I think when you've got a candidate on the other

668
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: side who's like people are ripping the heads off cats

669
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: and dogs in the street, You're just like, let me

670
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: just hold on everybody.

671
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. I guess we treat her as a

672
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: normal candidate and we want, you know, and we tolerate

673
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: him as an abnormal candidate. And so is that unfair

674
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Speaker 1: in your view?

675
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: I think at one hundred percent unfair. But I also

676
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: think that I understand what Sam is saying. She's saying, listen,

677
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: she's already pulled off eight hundred miracles, right, like to

678
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: take over a campaign one hundred days of colection day,

679
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: to hold this party together, to get the Chenese and

680
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 3: Chompsky on the same bus, to keep driving it forward,

681
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: to be able to have to switch out some of

682
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: the campaigns the up, but you can't switch out all

683
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 3: of it because you don't have a beat. Like, So

684
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 3: I agree, it's like she's pulled out eight hundred and

685
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: fifty miracles already and we should just give her our applause.

686
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: And I also feel that for whatever reason, she has

687
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: locked in on the strategy of just saying the same

688
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: thing every time, And even Charlamagne and God said, you know,

689
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 3: you just sound like a robot, and she goes, that's

690
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: called discipline, ha ha ha. But I do think that

691
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: given the voters we're trying to move, who you know,

692
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: they can't. You can't be more appauled by Donald Trump

693
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 3: and they still haven't moved. And you can't be more

694
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: impressed by her resume, and they still haven't moved. What

695
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 3: do they need to hear? I do think they need

696
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 3: to hear something else. There's something that she's not doing.

697
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Speaker 3: And so look, I would say I'd love that answer,

698
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: and Supreme Court, I love my instrument tracking. We can

699
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: all answers, but we're eight days out, and so the

700
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: thing I would say is whatever you need to say

701
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: to your own friends, because again, five hundred and thirty

702
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: seven votes, whatever you like, Tom's not going to talk

703
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: to your friends. She's going to be on a stage,

704
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: She's going to be interviewing. You get to talk to

705
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: your friends. You have your Facebook followers, you have your

706
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 3: Instagram followers, you have your WhatsApp chat groups, You've got

707
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: your and you should just say, I am now the

708
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 3: common haras campaign manager, and I am fortually myself going

709
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: to make the arguments that I think are a ballad

710
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 3: to my friends and be aggressive about it and be

711
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: passionate about it. Donald Trump closes strong. He always closes strong.

712
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 3: He's going to have even more devastating campaign ads to

713
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 3: come out. He's going he always closes strong. And so

714
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: if you if you to Sam's point, if you can

715
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Speaker 3: appreciate that if you had to run for president one

716
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: hundred days from now, how hard it would be for you.

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00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I feel so cynical for being a person

718
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: who's like, actually, I think there's no almost no room

719
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Speaker 2: for a nuance.

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Speaker 1: It's just like everything.

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Speaker 2: Anytime she dips into a nuance, I think she risks

722
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: a larger swath of the population. I think it's all

723
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 2: about risk management, keeping steady, get into the ellipse, giving

724
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: delivering that like heavy hammer. Like, I just don't I

725
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: feel I totally understand and appreciate what you're saying. I'm

726
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 2: just not sure that the nuance is going to move people.

727
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: I literally think it could be like a coupon per

728
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 2: a sandwich on the way into the voting booth.

729
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna move from up.

730
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Speaker 2: No one's doing that. That's not legal, But I do

731
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 2: think a coupon for a Quiznos might actually seal the deal.

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Speaker 3: That's buddy.

733
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734
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: breakdown of the news and fascinating takes on health and

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736
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Speaker 1: we go. I want to ask you all about the kerfuffle.

738
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Speaker 1: It's not actually bigger than a kerfuffle. I would say

739
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: it's a full out brewhaha over the La Times and

740
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: the Washington Post failure to endorse a candidate. You know,

741
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that there are many people who don't understand

742
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: or appreciate, or maybe it's outlived its usefulness, the separation

743
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: from an editorial board and the rest of the paper.

744
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: And I do think I was talking to Nancy Gibbs,

745
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: who was at a wedding I was at former editor

746
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Speaker 1: in chief of Time, now teaches public policy at Harvard.

747
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: You know that when Ruth Marcus the Washington Coast says

748
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: an endorsement represents the heart and soul of the newspaper,

749
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: that's a little misleading for readers. It's really the editorial

750
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: board and it's a separate entity. But I'm curious for

751
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: you both to weigh in on these two major newspapers

752
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: at the behest of their billionaire owners, deciding not to

753
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: endorse a candidate.

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00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't love it. I don't like it. I

755
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: do think I think can subtle and not so subtle

756
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: ways people are preparing for a Trump presidency, and I

757
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: don't like to see it. I don't like to see

758
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: it on Wall Street, and I don't like to see

759
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: it in I guess it feels to me like democracy

760
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: is signed darkness, like what the editorial I don't think

761
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: that the editorial board has outlived its usefulness. I think

762
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: they should have done it, and I'm really dismayed, like

763
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: really disheartened that they weren't doing it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it moves people, but yeah, it

765
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: should exist. What do you think, Van, Yeah, I.

766
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Speaker 3: Think I think newspapers don't matter as much as they

767
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: used to, but they still matter. And I think thateople

768
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: don't understand the editorial board. You know, you can you

769
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: can have an opinion about a candidate and still have

770
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: the The other on the other side of the wall

771
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: often literally are the reporters, and they can still do

772
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: fair reporting. So we've kind of known that for one

773
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 3: hundred fifty years in the United States. So I would

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00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: much rather them the way in. I don't think ten

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00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 3: years from now, if we have very bad outcomes from

776
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: the Trump presidency, anybody's going to be proud that they

777
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: stood on the sidelines. I think that people should think

778
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: I think that I think that people should take to

779
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 3: take a sting one way or the other. I agree

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00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 3: with you, I don't. I don't think you carvery yourself

781
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: in glory if one hundred years from now or ten

782
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:43,479
Speaker 3: years from now, you wouldn't register an opinion about what's coming.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, and I say this, no matter

784
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: what your what your view is. If your view is

785
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 3: that you know Kama Harris has just not met your bar,

786
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 3: and if your view is that you think that the

787
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: economy would be in better hands with Donald Trump, that

788
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: would be interesting to know. Like whatever it is, I'm

789
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 3: just saying, I'm I'm not saying it's got to be

790
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: for comment, it's got to be for Trump. But I

791
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: think that we don't want our institutions to be We

792
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: don't want our few remaining institutions to not offer their

793
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: honest opinion at a time of great consequence.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now is the time to plant a flag one.

795
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Speaker 3: Way or the other. I mean, jin maybe there's something

796
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: I haven't heard.

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Speaker 1: I think it's also a little ironic that Trump administration

798
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Speaker 1: or Trump officials were visiting Blue Origin when this decision

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Speaker 1: was made by Jeff Bezos. It just seems really yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, I know Jeff Bezos. I'm quite fond of him.

801
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he gave you a lot of money to

802
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Speaker 1: give away, like one hundred million dollars.

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00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: Right exactly. I know Jeff Bezos, I'm quite fond of him.

804
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: I've not talked to him about this. I don't know.

805
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 3: I literally Kim Kardashian's a good friend of mine. Jeff

806
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: Bezos friend of mine. I discount ninety eight percent of

807
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: what good said about them in public because it's almost

808
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: always not right. So I do not know what decision

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00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 3: making was, but I would just say, as a matter

810
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: of principle, I would say this too, or about anyone,

811
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 3: this is not the time to be quiet. I think

812
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 3: people should put their best thinking forward so that we

813
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 3: can make informed decisions.

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00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: When this episode drops, the election will be less than

815
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: a week away. What do you think is going to happen? Man?

816
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: You know, I think it's going to be house to

817
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: house combat. I think it's going to come down to

818
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: I think this will be the closest I think it's

819
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: going to be one of the closest elections in American history.

820
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you it's in the hands of the

821
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: people who are listening. I mean, we can all sit

822
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 3: here and write speeches for everybody and that sort of stuff.

823
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 3: They ain't got to read those speeches. You can write

824
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: a text message, it's going to be read. You can

825
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: make a phone call, it's going to be heard. It

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00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: will come more than anything else. What I would say is,

827
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: you don't want to be sitting there, whoever you're for

828
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: sitting there election, I would saying I wish I had

829
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: done one thing more the next several days. You should

830
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 3: put every arrow in the air. You should do everything

831
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 3: you possibly can. You know, if you've never done a

832
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 3: video selfie on your social media, do it because that

833
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 3: might move three votes. You have no idea the impact

834
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: you can have. So sometimes people put stuff up and

835
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: it goes mega viral and changes the whole conversation. So

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Speaker 3: I think that it is in the hands of ordinary

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00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: people at this point, every day people at this point,

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00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: especially in the seven battleground states. And if you don't know,

839
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 3: if you live in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, Arizona,

840
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 3: or Nevada, your vote matters more than anybody else's vote

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00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: in the country those seven states. If you live in

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00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: those states, your vote is one hundred votes. If you

843
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: live in those states, your vote is a thousand votes.

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Speaker 3: Your vote counts more than all the rest of our

845
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: votes combined, because those are the seven states that will

846
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: determine this election. So if you live in those seven

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00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: battot ground states, you have a responsibility to vote whichever

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00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 3: way you feel, and you will have a bigger impact

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00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 3: on the election those states and any of us talking

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00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: about it, I.

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Speaker 1: Think we're going to know the night of no.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think so, And I think we should

853
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: remind everyone we know that you don't have to tell

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00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: anybody how you voted in that voting booth. You don't

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00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: have to tell a damn soul. You don't have to

856
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: vote one way just because your parents did and your

857
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: grandparents did, and your husband told you that you had to,

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00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: or your wife thought that that would be a good

859
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: idea for you. You can tell anybody anything you want,

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Speaker 2: and you can vote with your conscience, But for what

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Speaker 2: do you know it's right?

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Speaker 1: I thought Michelle Obama's speech is great emphasize that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have to use.

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Speaker 4: Our voices to make these choices clear to the men

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Speaker 4: that we love our lives are worth more than their

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Speaker 4: anger and disappointment. And we are more than just baby

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Speaker 4: making vessels. And if you are a woman who lives

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Speaker 4: in a household of men that don't listen to you

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Speaker 4: or value your opinion, just remember that your vote is

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Speaker 4: a private matter, regardless of the political views of your partner.

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Speaker 4: You get to choose, You get to use your judgment

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Speaker 4: and cast your vote for yourself and the women in

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Speaker 4: your life. Remember, women standing up for what is best

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Speaker 4: for us can make the difference in this election. So

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Speaker 4: let us use our voices in these final days.

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Speaker 1: That was a pretty powerful speech to anythink fan.

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Speaker 3: Migielle Obama may be the best communicator in the English

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Speaker 3: language right now. I mean, she is so good. Always

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Speaker 3: say I love Obama and her husband. I mean, she's

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Speaker 3: just a believable and and I thought she did a

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Speaker 3: great job of pointing out to men what it's like

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Speaker 3: to be a man when you're you're the woman that

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Speaker 3: you care about your partner, your daughter is in medical

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Speaker 3: distress and you can't and she's bleeding out, and the

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Speaker 3: doctors are standing there looking at her, afraid that they

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Speaker 3: help your You love the one they've got to go

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Speaker 3: to prison and really just letting people bleed out of

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Speaker 3: parking lots, as a as a man, as a as

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Speaker 3: someone who wants to be able to protect the people

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Speaker 3: that you love, what does it mean?

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Speaker 2: And also the message of like it takes two people

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Speaker 2: to make an unplanned pregnancy, do you want to be

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Speaker 2: able to do something about that?

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Speaker 3: Or do you not?

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Speaker 2: Like you have skin in the game, you're part of this,

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Speaker 2: being a part of it.

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Speaker 3: I thought Michelle did just an unbelievable job, as she

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Speaker 3: always does, and she makes it look so easy. It's

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Speaker 3: very difficult to do what she does. Like, that's the

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Speaker 3: arguments that she makes, the way that she makes them.

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Speaker 3: Who she's being when she's making them might just sing

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Speaker 3: Michelle Obama as a national trend.

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Speaker 1: I also had a little bit of a cold, I

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Speaker 1: could tell.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, got your nose, she pulled it off. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the Democratic Party needs to retool? My

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Speaker 1: husband John says things like, how this election is so close,

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Speaker 1: what does it say about the Democratic Party? And I'm

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Speaker 1: curious what you think it says about the Democratic Party?

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Speaker 1: Has it lost its way? Has it lost its mojo?

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Speaker 3: Look, I am very I'm always willing to look in

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Speaker 3: the mirror, Like, if something goes wrong in my life,

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Speaker 3: the easy thing to do is to say that person sucks,

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Speaker 3: and that person sucks, the other person sucks, and why

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Speaker 3: do they do that? The harder thing to do is say,

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Speaker 3: you know what, what did I do to create this situation?

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Speaker 3: Even if it's nine nine percent of the other person's fault,

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Speaker 3: I looked for my one percent. And so I am

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Speaker 3: not trying to let literal fascists off the hook. That

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Speaker 3: is its own thing. But is there anything I can

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Speaker 3: look at on our side?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like a stuff on our side. I

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Speaker 3: think we we have created a style on the progressive

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Speaker 3: left that is that's obnoxious and that makes people feel

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Speaker 3: uncomfortable and unwelcome. Too often. I mean we change terms

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Speaker 3: every six months. Somebody said I was a BIPOCK. I said,

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Speaker 3: what is the I've never gone to a BIPOC church

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Speaker 3: or a bi I've never eaten any BIPOC food, Like,

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Speaker 3: is there a BIPOC barber shop? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: Latin X. You make up these terms and then people

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Speaker 3: feel dumb because they don't know them. And then I

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Speaker 3: think we also have created a situation where we think

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Speaker 3: that Trump is pulling people. I think we're pushing people,

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Speaker 3: you know, I said, I'm Bill Maher. If we if

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Speaker 3: we have a party where we say all white people

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Speaker 3: are racist, all of you you're all racist, All men

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Speaker 3: are toxic, all billionaires are evil, well then you can't

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Speaker 3: be mad when white male billionaires like Elon Musk leave

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Speaker 3: our party. Elon Musk was a Democrat supporting Andrew Yang

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Speaker 3: four years ago. Now he is on some crazy look.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't let him off the hook. He

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Speaker 3: has a responsibility to defend democracy not undermined. But is

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Speaker 3: there a one percent where if he if someone like

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Speaker 3: him comes into the room, if a straight white male

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Speaker 3: comes into the room, if if someone who is Jewish

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Speaker 3: and who is pro Israel coming to the room, are

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Speaker 3: they welcome or not? Do we want them or not.

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Speaker 1: I have a friend who's covering the Trump campaign and

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Speaker 1: I asked her about Trump supporters and she said, in

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Speaker 1: her view, a lot of it has to do with

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Speaker 1: quote lefty lecture culture. I thought that was a very

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Speaker 1: interesting observation, and I think it basically encompasses, man, what

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Speaker 1: you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: And after the election, I think we should do a

956
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Speaker 3: whole analysis of it. But until the election. Whatever sins

957
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 3: and flaws we have are literally nothing compared to a

958
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Speaker 3: overtly racist, overtly fascist, overtly raitorian mass phenomenon that is

959
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Speaker 3: about to not only ruin America if it wins, but

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Speaker 3: also abandoned people in Ukraine and also make sure we

961
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Speaker 3: don't fix the climate crisis. So I am not trying

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Speaker 3: to take any of the the foot off the gas.

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Speaker 3: But after the selection, can we say the same things

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Speaker 3: more kindly? Yes? Can we defend African Americans, Latinos, latinas

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Speaker 3: poor folks, the environment more kindly, more wisely, more empathetically.

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Speaker 3: Can we be more magnetic?

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Speaker 1: Yes we can, and perhaps be less judgmental and self

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Speaker 1: righteous I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Less judgy and shitty toward people, Yes, that's not Can

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Speaker 3: we improve yes? Can we be more magnetic and welcoming? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Should we be? Yes? After we win this selection?

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Speaker 1: Van Jones, thank you, Van all right, thank you, Talk

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Speaker 1: to you soon. Sam. Yes, I really like Van Jones.

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Speaker 2: I like them too, talk to them. They are arenas

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Speaker 2: and I always enjoy I always enjoy his perspective. He's great.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about those closing remarks about the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: People just want to be governed from the middle. They

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Speaker 2: just want to be governed from the middle. They just

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Speaker 2: seem to, like the majority of the country lives pretty

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Speaker 2: much in the middle zone, and they just want a

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Speaker 2: steady hand. They want things that are like actually more

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Speaker 2: simple than sometimes we make them.

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Speaker 1: I can agree with that. Who do you think is

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Speaker 1: going to win? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to manifest. I don't want to I

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Speaker 2: don't want to manifest a big, bad problem. But I

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Speaker 2: will say that I think it's going to be extremely

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Speaker 2: close and a squeaker, and that is so distressing. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know either way. But I do have a

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Speaker 2: sick feeling in my stomach that there's a you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a chance we could have a repeat of twenty

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Speaker 2: sixteen and Amlowen's popular vote a wide margin, but those

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Speaker 2: electoral colleges barry pesky. So I don't really know. I

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Speaker 2: think anything is possible. I don't know that one is

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Speaker 2: more probable than the other. And that is extremely distressing,

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Speaker 2: and that I think necessitates like a real reckoning, like

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Speaker 2: who actually are we here? Regardless of who wins, who

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Speaker 2: actually are we That this is a squeaker. It's absolutely

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Speaker 2: it's absolutely awful.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to say on that positive note, Sam,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for being with me today and to

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Speaker 1: be continued. Hang in there, Hang in there.

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Speaker 2: Stay strong, drive people to the Owling station.

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