1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:01,000 Speaker 1: Ron Ananian. 2 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 2: I see the average price of a reasonable ev to 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: be fifty to sixty grand. You do you find something different? 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: Is that a fair range? That is a fair range, 5 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: but still it's still unattainable for a huge Grouperall a 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: mark of the car doctor. You know why is this 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 2: all about dollars and cents? It is, but it isn't. 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: It's a business, but it isn't. You know, take the 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: two minutes. Tell the guy what the FULD code is given, 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: because you know what happens next. We start to create rumors, 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: and we start to create problems, and we drive customers 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: to people that don't know what they're doing, that are 13 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: willing to do it for free. When we start throwing 14 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: parts at cars that don't fix anything. 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananian, the Car Doctor. 16 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners the 17 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 18 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 19 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 1: the phone and call in the garage. 20 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: Do orders are open? But I am here to take 21 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: your call at eight five five five six ninety nine 22 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: hundred and now. 23 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: Running. 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 2: Did you see in the news this week that they're 25 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: cutting the spending budget of the EPA. 26 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. 27 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: I don't get political on this show, though I keep 28 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: saying cars are political, they're a political statement. But it 29 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: looks like the House is cutting the budget of the 30 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: Environmental Protection Agency by forty percent. And you did you 31 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: didn't hear a lot Nobody was really talking about it 32 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,279 Speaker 2: didn't come up a lot in the news this week. 33 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: And it's it's a bill that they're looking at to 34 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: make some changes. It's interesting something to watch, so just 35 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: be aware of it. I'm not going to go into 36 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: the whole details of it. I've got to sit in 37 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 2: here on my desk in the studio and we'll talk 38 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: about it in a couple of the next couple of 39 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: weeks of it turns into more. But and I guess 40 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: the thing I'm watching for is in the back of 41 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: my mind, are we going to start to see, you know, 42 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: is this the beginning of the reversal where we start 43 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: to change things and how we approach things with you know, 44 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: the decision of evs not being able to be done 45 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: in the way we wanted to do them. I you know, 46 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm looking for something I'm not sure 47 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 2: what it is yet, but I'll keep you guys and posted. 48 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: Let you know what it is when I find it. 49 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: So hello and welcome ronin Ending and the Car Doctor 50 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: here at A five five five six zero nine nine 51 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: zero zero. Let's uh, I don't know. I've got a 52 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: great email in firm me I want to do. I've 53 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: got some phone calls. Let's go to the phones. Let's 54 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: go to Stanley in Toronto with a ten Mercedes. Question Stanley, 55 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Car Doctor, Sir, how can I help hi? 56 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 4: Ron? I hope you're well. Longtime fan of you and 57 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 4: the show. 58 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. 59 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 4: Got a twenty ten Mercedes Benz P two a B 60 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: two hundred okay, came out with a code pie zero 61 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 4: one two eight okay. There are one to add. Two 62 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: and a half months ago. I monitored it carefully, and 63 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 4: about a month later, the radiator cooling fan started running continuously. 64 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 4: Now it's pretty much soon after I started the car. 65 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 4: The cooling fan came on and didn't turn off until 66 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 4: I shut the car down. So I did some extensive research, 67 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 4: not being terrifically mechanically inclined, but I went ahead and 68 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 4: had the thermostat replaced, okay, and then since last week 69 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: when it was replaced, the temperature needle moves up to 70 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 4: about half on the gauge, but it still flickers between 71 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 4: a halfway mark and about sixty sixty five and the fan, 72 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 4: unfortuny still running almost continuously. In addition, the coolant light 73 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 4: comes on, you know, intermittently every now and then once 74 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 4: every forty five minutes of driving. So previously, just to 75 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 4: give you all the context, the temperature was running low 76 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 4: as per the gauge at least replaced the thermostat, and 77 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: the temperature seems to be running quite quite I see, 78 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 4: but it's still flickerating that that little bit between half 79 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 4: and sixty percent, and the fan doesn't want to doesn't 80 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 4: want to. 81 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: So let's let's back up a second. P zero one 82 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: twenty eight. Let's talk about that P zero one twenty 83 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: eight is a thermostat rationality fault. What does that mean? 84 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: In English? It's it's like when you come downstairs to 85 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: the house on Sunday morning and you've had a good 86 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 2: night's sleep and it's cold in the house, and you 87 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: turn thermistat up and you know it's it's set at 88 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: sixty five, and you said it to seventy, and it 89 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: takes a half hour to get to seventy. The rate 90 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: of rise, the length of time it took to build 91 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: temperature seemed odd, right, It just seemed like, you know, 92 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: and then you find out the window to the family 93 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: room is left open. That's a whole nother conversation. So 94 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: the rate of rise for temperature took too long, all right. 95 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: So in an automobile, same thing. I don't care if 96 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: it says Mercedes, Ferrari, Volkswagen, four GM, Chrysler, it doesn't matter. 97 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: It's all the same theory, all right, rate of rise 98 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: took too long. So my first question is, you know, 99 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: does the temperature the vehicle is running at now match 100 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: what the temperature range of the new thermostat is. If 101 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: the thermostat starts to open at one ninety five, do 102 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 2: I see one ninety five on a scan tool? 103 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: You know? 104 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: Within reason? Do I see one ninety two? One ninety three? 105 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: You know? And it goes up to two ten? Forget 106 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 2: the cooling fan because that could be a separate problem. Right, 107 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, how long is how long has it been 108 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: since this thermostat was changed? Yesterday, last week, last. 109 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 4: Month, last week, ten days ago. 110 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: Okay, does the car have adequate heat? Do you feel 111 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: heat coming out of the vents into the froster? 112 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 4: Sure does, and previously it did not. 113 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: Okay, so so we've made it better, all right. It 114 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: sounds like the old thermostat was hung open, which is 115 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: why I say I don't want to really look at 116 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: I don't want to look at you know, what it 117 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 2: was before. I want to know what it is now. 118 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 2: I would have loved to have seen what it was before. 119 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: Here's another case where you know I'm weird. I would 120 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: have hooked a scan tool up to see what's my temperature, 121 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: because I do that when I get a Pizero one twenty. Well, 122 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: it's not true on a jeep. I don't get a 123 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: Piezer one twenty eight. I put a thermistat in it. 124 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: Then I diagnose it if there's a problem, because every 125 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 2: jeep needs a thermistat, it seems. But that's a different story. 126 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: But I would, I would. I would want to know beforehand, 127 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: what's my temperature before? What's my temperature after? You know, 128 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: does the current temperature? Buy scan tool or buy an 129 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: infrared gun or whatever means, you know, does it match 130 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: what the vehicle is supposed to have. If it does, 131 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: then at least I know the thermistat's correct. How do 132 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: the hoses feel? Upper hose, you know, hot to the touch, 133 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: Lower hose uncomfortable, but I can kind of hang on 134 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 2: to it. Heater hoses, you know, hot on one side, 135 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 2: cooler on the other. So I know I'm getting, you know, 136 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 2: good dissipation of heat through the core when I turn 137 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: the heat on, which which tells me then the system 138 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: is bled and so on. You know, then we can 139 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: talk about the cooling fan. They do have problems with 140 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: the cooling fans. They do have problems inside the fuse box. 141 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: I think it's fuses number sixty eight and forty four, 142 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: build up corrosion across the contacts, and they do do 143 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: some funky things to the cooling fan control module. So 144 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: we could have a separate issue there as well. So 145 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: you know, what I'm trying to say is i'd I'd 146 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: like to treat this as two as two repairs or 147 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: two problems. You know, is the thermostat working correctly, is 148 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: the cooling system at proper temperature? If so, then let's 149 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: diagnose the cooling fan, all right, And it may be 150 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: that it needs a cooling fan, you know, module assembly 151 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: or a cooling fan assembly, depending upon what the issue is. 152 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: Just because the problem happened at the same time doesn't 153 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: mean that it's just one problem. You know, this is 154 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: a hard time of the year to diagnose cooling stuff. 155 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: You know why, because we just came off the summer, right. 156 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: You didn't get that thermostat rationality fault until it got 157 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: cold up there, right, yep, right, so that thermostat could 158 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: have been hung open since July, all right, and now 159 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, you're picking it up 160 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: because it's funny in the summer. You know, if it's 161 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: right on the raggy edge, if the code is going 162 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: to set it one ninety and it's been running one 163 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: ninety one five six ten degrees less than what speck is, yeah, 164 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 2: it won't really set it. It's it's always got a 165 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: you know, there's a point where the doctor says your 166 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: blood pressure's too high, and it's really too high, and 167 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: then they give you the medication. You know, it's the 168 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: same thing with a car. It's where's that line, uh, 169 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: you know, is the cooling fan. Is the cooling fan 170 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: having this issue because of related to the work that 171 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 2: was done or is it a separate issue? So are 172 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: you doing the work or is your mechanic doing the work? 173 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: Kennik is okay, So ask him to do those things 174 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: and let's take this as we do. We have two 175 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: separate problems. And then if he has any concerns, I 176 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: believe it's going to be a few sixty eight and 177 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 2: forty four he could look at those. He can if 178 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: he's got a scan tool for it. I'm guessing he does. 179 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: He's working on Mercedes. Hopefully he's equipped. You know, he 180 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 2: should be able to go in and activate the cooling 181 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: fan via a scan tool and and do some testing 182 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: on that. But I have seen a fair share of 183 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: those cooling fan modules fail as well. All right, okay, 184 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: so that's how I would. You're very welcome, sir. I 185 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: appreciate the call. You'd be well, thank you. Bye bye. 186 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: I'm Ronning Andy and the car Doctor. Eight five five 187 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 2: five six zero nine nine zero zero. We'll be back 188 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: right after this. 189 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 5: Don't go away. 190 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: When you gain keep Ron's number handy eight five five 191 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 3: five six zero nine nine zero zero for when you 192 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: really need advice on your car. 193 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 6: Here's rob. 194 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: You know, someone once said to me years ago that 195 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: the best way to ensure customer loyalty and to have 196 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: them really appreciate what you do is to let them 197 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 2: work on their own car if you could, If you 198 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: could give them the opportunity to let somebody actually do 199 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: their car under your supervision, and they will never ever 200 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: complain or not understand what it is that goes on 201 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: in a repair shop ever again. And I've always thought 202 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: of that, and there have been some moments where you 203 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: let somebody, hey, you know what, let them do it 204 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: kind of a thing and you kind of coach them along. Well, 205 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: we had a full scale example of that this week 206 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: at the shop, and not because Tom doesn't understand that. 207 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: Tom Ray, my executive producer, engineer and compadre here the 208 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: blower motor failed in his twenty fifteen four to escape 209 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: with three hundred and fifty six thousand miles on it 210 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: something like that. I think it's going to be in 211 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: the Smithsonian suit next to the Wright Brothers aircraft and 212 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: it needed a blower motor. And the blower motor on 213 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: a fifteen escape is buried up front in like the 214 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 2: most innocuous place you could imagine you've got to take. 215 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: I'm telling the story. Let me bring out my new mechanic, 216 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 2: Thomas Ray and see what his thoughts are. So do 217 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: you have a good week at the shop? Young men? 218 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 3: It was a blast, let me tell you. 219 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: So tell us about it. 220 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: Well, brought the car in, like you said it. It 221 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: was the blower motor. And I'll preface this by saying 222 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: I replaced the blower motor and my wife's twenty ten 223 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 3: fusion a couple of years ago, and that was real easy. 224 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: It was like, pull out the glovebox. There, it was 225 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 3: this one here. Oh my goodness, I'm glad that. I'm 226 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 3: glad Danny was there to help. Yeah. The first thing 227 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: we did was took out the front seats because you 228 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: had to lay down in. 229 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: The car and you and you thought I was crazy 230 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: when I said you're gonna take the seats out, right, 231 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: You were like, well, why are we taking the seats out? 232 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: Trust me, you want to take the seats out. 233 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 3: Then we took out the glovebox and that was kind 234 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: of easy. It was a little little more in the fusion. 235 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: It had a couple of screws and a couple of snaps, 236 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 3: and out it came. And we still can't see the 237 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 3: air box, you know with the blend door assembly, because 238 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 3: it's kind of buried. Because next thing we had to 239 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 3: do was take out the BCM, the body control module, 240 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: which had I think twelve connectors on it. Thankfully they 241 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: were all color coded. Then we had to remove that bracket. 242 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 3: Then we still couldn't get it out because now we 243 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: could see it, but now there was a bracket in 244 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 3: the way with two screws that were next to impossible 245 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: to get to that. Danny had to use a pair 246 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 3: of vice grips on to get out because we couldn't 247 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: get a tool in there to get to the heads. 248 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 3: And we get that bracket out, and now we're looking 249 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 3: at this bracket that this bracket was attached to and 250 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: we're like, well, how are we going to get that out? 251 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: It's welded to the superstructure. So we bent that one 252 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: out of the way, and now we could probably get 253 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 3: the air box out. And I say probably because there 254 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: are three screws. One you can see and the other 255 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 3: two you can't, and you have to get the driver 256 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: up against the insulation on the firewall to get the 257 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: stupid thing out. That one screw was half an hour. 258 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: So we get the thing out. We finally get the 259 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 3: air box out, and now Danny goes to the other 260 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 3: side and has to remove the accelerator pedal because that's 261 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: the only way to get to the back of the blower. Yeah, 262 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 3: so he pulls that out and he's the he's got 263 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 3: the brake pedal stabbing himself in the back of the head. 264 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 3: And he has there's this plastic clip. He hits the 265 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 3: clip and has to rotate the thing. And I pulled 266 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 3: the blower on. I got it in my hands. Great, 267 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: So we get the other blower, we put it back 268 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: in reverse the procedure he pulls. In the meantime, he 269 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: pulls the resistor. We find out that the parts house 270 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 3: sent the wrong resistor. We had to get a different 271 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 3: resist to come in. I get this thing in. It 272 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 3: took about fifteen minutes to get the thing positioned properly 273 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: and locked in place, and then we had to put 274 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: this whole thing back together. And six and a half 275 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: hours later, Ron we had a blower motor that worked. 276 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: And amazing thing, Tom is now, you know a fair 277 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: opinion factory time book time to do that job is 278 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: two point four hours. Do you think anybody could do 279 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: that in two and a half hours. 280 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: You know, it's not like Danny doesn't have any experience 281 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 3: and he couldn't do it in two and a half 282 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: hours and he had me helping him, right, you know, 283 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 3: there was no way. And I actually had three takeaways 284 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: from this whole thing. The first takeaway is that whoever 285 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: designs this thing, whether it's a car, whether it's a refrigerator, 286 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: whether it's a washing machine, I think the company should 287 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 3: take that car, make a proto or make a prototype, 288 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: and then take the guy who designed it and say, okay, 289 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: here's a couple of common things, blower mote or replace it, 290 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: and write down the procedure. And I wonder if we'd 291 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: ever see anything change in the design of these things 292 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: if they had to actually work on it. You know. 293 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: The second take is that could we complicate it anymore? 294 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 3: I mean, you're right, people should see what the mechanic does, 295 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: because then when you're handed a two thousand bill, this 296 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: was all day in the shop. When you're handed a 297 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: two thousand dollars bill, you'll understand what the mechanic went 298 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: through and why it cost that much. Oh and the 299 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 3: third takeaway is that when the snap on truck pulls 300 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: up outside the shop. It's like the Good Humor truck 301 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 3: coming down the street. 302 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: Here, will oh you enjoy that? 303 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: You and Danny rushed out with was like take my money. 304 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was well, and that's because you know what 305 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: you know, snap on really now you were on the truck, right, 306 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: did you ever see such It's just amazing. 307 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 3: I thought I walked into an autoparts store. Was it 308 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 3: was incredible. 309 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: It's just amazing what he's got on that truck. 310 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 4: You know. 311 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: Taking the seats out, by the way is not part 312 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: of the factory procedure. 313 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 3: No, but it was fully necessary because you know, Danny 314 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: was laying down in that car quite a bit because 315 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 3: he you know, he was the one under the dashboard 316 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: most of the time, and there was no way you 317 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 3: could have done it with those seats in. 318 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: Well, they want to. They want you to do it 319 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: with that seat in the car edged into your back 320 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: and you're bent at a forty five degree angle for 321 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: however many hours it takes to do this. 322 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: Now, maybe that's why the book time is only two 323 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: and a half hours, because then you're gonna rush it 324 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: because you can't stand that thing. 325 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: Maybe now the trick the tricks we've learned along the 326 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: way when we do that job, obviously, is we take 327 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: the seats out. That's that's something we do with the 328 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: shop and we've done it on everyone we've done and 329 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: it seems to help the process because you've got to 330 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: see that job. When you don't take the seats out, 331 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: you get halfway through the first one, you go, I'm 332 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: taking the seats out. The The the trick that you 333 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: know we did with the two screws that you can't 334 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: get to, the two bolts that hold the airplanum that 335 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: you can't get to, is we know which extension and 336 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: which bit actually is the right depth to go exactly 337 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: to that bolt in that in that position, and then 338 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: when we put it back on, we've actually marked it 339 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: in the draw with a mark or so we get 340 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: this is this is this is the focus escape for 341 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: blower motor socket and extension. And you know, one of 342 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 2: the other things is we always put a little piece 343 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: of dumb dumb on the end of the screw and 344 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: we kind of put it up there by blind feel 345 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 2: started by hand. We put a drop of oil on 346 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 2: the thread. Even though we're going into plastic, we put 347 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 2: a drop of oil on the thread of the screw 348 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: so it goes in nice and easy, and you can 349 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 2: sort of handstart it and make it just fingertight and 350 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: then you can lock everything up. But that's I'm not 351 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 2: sure what the engineer was thinking when he designed it, 352 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: because you're right, I don't think it was necessarily. Hey, 353 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 2: someday somebody's gonna have to replace this. That is really 354 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: a poor design. The only thing I've ever seen that's 355 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 2: worse than that, And thank god most of these cars 356 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 2: are gone. Were the old box style Volvos, the two forties, 357 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 2: the DL the square bodies. Holy cow, you want to 358 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: see a blower motor and all the wires connected to 359 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: that blower motor resistor were white, so you had seven 360 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 2: white wires going to the resistor and you're looking at 361 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: it going uh uh. And we had to do those 362 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: cars back in the day before we had cell phones. 363 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: Now we take pictures. We get something with seven white wires, 364 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: we take pictures of how things go. Back then, you 365 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: had to remember, so it was a very different time. Well, 366 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: that's it. We have a new mechanic in the shop up. 367 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 2: Open time on Monday is eight o'clock, Tom. I'll expect 368 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: to see you. I'm Ronning Andy in the car doctor. 369 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: We'll both be back right after this. 370 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 6: Ron's in the own the Auto Zone studio and he'll 371 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 6: be back right after this. Welcome back to the AutoZone studio. 372 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 6: Here's Ron. 373 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back. We're on the in the car doctor. 374 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: I want to answer Paul's email. Pul sent me a 375 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: great hones you one two, three, four five, I don't 376 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: know six seven paragraph email Paul from Chesapeake City, Maryland, 377 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 2: and some questions on a twenty ten f one fifty 378 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: one to have a conversation about Ron. I'm reaching out 379 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on a path forward and a 380 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: blessing before performing open heart surgery on my twenty ten 381 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 2: f one to fifty with a five four to three 382 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: valve two hundred twenty one thousand miles. I've chased a 383 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 2: missfire for a while now. That manifested itself as a 384 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: hard code P zero three hundred and P zero three 385 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: ZHO four cylinder force specific and it only showed documented 386 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: miss fires and all bank one cylinders in OBT in 387 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: OBD two data sometimes at P zero three oh one 388 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: would show up in SID codes. This is my second 389 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: one of these F one fifties. With the five four 390 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: to three, so it's three valves, so it doesn't scare me. 391 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: I think this motor got an unfortunately bad rip because 392 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: of people's lack of maintenance and no misunderstanding of its limitations. 393 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: I agree. I've also got an seven f one to fifty. 394 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: I got it to three hundred thousand miles on the 395 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: original motor and trends with proper care with that truck. 396 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 2: I also chase similar misfires throughout the years, but it 397 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: was always cooiler plug related and the truck ran great 398 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: till the end, but cancer finally did it in, you know. 399 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: And then Paul goes on to say he got this 400 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: truck from a buddy. He bought it new, and it's 401 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: in good shape my cosmetically, no RUSS to speak of. 402 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 2: It's been pretty well maintained. He got it with two 403 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 2: hundred and nine thousand miles on it. It's now got 404 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty four. You know, he's been chasing 405 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: a P zero three or four, which is a misfire 406 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 2: on cylinder flour, and a P zero three hundred, which 407 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 2: is a random misfire since shortly after he got it, 408 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 2: he put it in all new, correct and correct properly 409 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 2: gapped motocraft plugs as well as motocraft coils on. Then 410 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: I conducted moving typical moving coils and plugs between cylinders 411 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: one and four for a while, no change to the misfiring. 412 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: Then I conducted the typical moving coils plugs that ran 413 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: between cylinders and banks. However, the misfire always stayed on 414 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: all bank one cylinders with number one and four specifically, 415 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: and the truck still ran pretty decent. So, Paul, my 416 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: first question is, when you're looking at misfire counts, either 417 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: via OBD two if the tool will display it, or 418 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 2: if you're looking in mode six data, do you see 419 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: you know what level of misfires do you see on 420 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 2: bank one? Because towards the end full disclosure, folks, Paul 421 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: talks about camp phaser issues. He's got some trouble code 422 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: set up. He says, yesterday eleven to one, because this 423 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 2: just came to us. My suspicion was confirmed. Leaving work. 424 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 2: The truck was way down on power with not accelerate. 425 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: Once it warned up, I got better. It got better, 426 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: but now it's showing cam phaser and sensor codes and pending. 427 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: I've got pending codes for cam timing, over retarded and 428 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 2: over advanced for both bank one and two, as well 429 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: as pending one and two cam crank position correlation full. 430 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: It's the heart set three hundred and three and four 431 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: still there as well. Overall it still runs decent, but 432 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 2: I'm guessing that's because it's just on base cam timing 433 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: or partial limp mode. Well, you know, cam timing's off, 434 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 2: so you know that's all. That's got a lot to 435 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: with how it runs. You know, My questions here are 436 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: are we suffering a mechanical failure because it was running 437 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 2: on the three h four three hundred misfire for twelve 438 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: thousand miles. Now my suspicion is it was probably running 439 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: like that prior when you when your friend sold it 440 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 2: to you, and it wasn't that big a deal, and 441 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: it just it's manifested itself into worse. So do we 442 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 2: have a valve train issue? Do we have did we 443 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 2: have a weak valve spring, a broken valve spring, a camshaft, 444 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: a follower problem, something in the head. So one of 445 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: the simpler things. And I realized number four is tough 446 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 2: to get to, but can we do as long as 447 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 2: we're going to work on this because Paul then goes 448 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 2: on to talk about he's willing to do open heart surgery. 449 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: Pul do you have a cylinder leakdown tester, Let's do 450 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: a cylinder leakdown test. Let's let's pull the plugs, crank 451 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: the motor around, put number four on top dead center, 452 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: Let's pump some air into the cylinder, and you know, 453 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: does it hold and does it match the rest of 454 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: the drive train. Do we have carbon or valve seater 455 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 2: valve train issues on number four? That's my bigger concern. 456 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 2: You know, I agree this could be a cam phaser problem, 457 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: but why then has the misfire been on four and 458 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: sometimes on one, but not on the other bank. And 459 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 2: now we've got no misfires reported on the opposite bank, 460 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: but we're reporting a CAM phaser problem. You can check 461 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: that with a good scan tool that'll display enough data. 462 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 2: You can go in and look at CAM crank synchronization 463 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 2: and how it lines up. There should be a sensor 464 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: in the front of each cover on this instance, this 465 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 2: is a phaser motor. You can identify the phase solid 466 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: or the CAM sensors. Look at a wiring diagram and 467 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 2: see what colors they are and then just you'll see 468 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: them they're sticking out the out of the front of 469 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: the covers to id that. But you should be able 470 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: to verify that, you know. Yeah, okay, so it needs phasers. 471 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 2: Let's say you know, I'll play the game. Let's say 472 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: you you prove that mechanically the cylinders are capable of 473 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: holding compression, all the cylinders pass a leak down test. 474 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: You know, your next question to me is would you 475 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: do phasers? You know, yeah, I would do phasers. You know, 476 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 2: I would do phasers and chains. You know, with the 477 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 2: understanding that you know, we've got two hundred and twenty 478 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: something thousand miles on this engine, and there's other things 479 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 2: that could fail. You know. The other side of that 480 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 2: is do you just do you go through the whole motor? 481 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 2: But you know you're going to spend somewhere between five 482 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: and seven grand on a decent engine these days from 483 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because the market's in no shape. So 484 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: this is to do a chain in phasers. You're talking, 485 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 2: you know, a couple of days out of the weekend. 486 00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 2: By the time you get done picking at it and 487 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: finding you've got the wrong parts and you've got to 488 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 2: run to the parts house twice and everything else that 489 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 2: could go wrong. I've been there, done that, you know. 490 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: I just want you to diagnose it. I want to 491 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 2: do a cylinder leakdown test if you have the ability, 492 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: If you had the ability by scan tool, I would 493 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: do a crank and compression test, you know, and Ford 494 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 2: gives you that option on your make model scan tool 495 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: capability where it's foot to the floor, crank it. It 496 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: will do. And what that's going to show. It's going 497 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: to show relative compression among the cylinders. It won't give 498 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: you an actual number, but it will show you resistance 499 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: value based on starter draw current draw. You know, is 500 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: it equal between the eight cylinders? And you know I'm 501 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: going to look at that. I like to do a 502 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: mechanical check. That's where I'm going to go with a 503 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 2: cylinder leak down. If I wanted to really get fancy, 504 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: I would tell you you could if you had a 505 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: scope and an exhaust pulse transducer to look at the 506 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 2: puffs of air coming out of the cylinder. But that's 507 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: you know, we're into space shuttle stuff here. I realize 508 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 2: that's something you probably don't have or have the ability 509 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: to do, so you know, just think of things, Paul, 510 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: that will tell you mechanically, think mechanically, is that cylinder okay? 511 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 5: All right? 512 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: And if you can prove that cylinder can hold there 513 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: and all the other cylinders hold there one hundred pounds 514 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 2: in holds more than ninety PSI, you know, so it's 515 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 2: less than a ten percent leak. It's you really be 516 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: less than a five percent leak, you know. Then Okay, 517 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: let's put phasers and chains in it. I'm still gonna say, 518 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 2: I don't know that the misfire is going to go away. 519 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 2: There could be something else here. We could still have 520 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: an injector issue. You know. Remember a misfire is either 521 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 2: mechanical ignition or fuel related. So you know we have 522 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: a do we have an injector issue? Even though fuel 523 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: trims look good, are the other injectors over compensating? And 524 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 2: remember this is a Ford. Fords do funny things. It 525 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: could be lying to you. It could be it could 526 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: be in failure mode and compensating fuel trim and compensating 527 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 2: other things in order to make that ocle running compliance. 528 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 2: So let's go back to And that's one of the 529 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: reasons I say let's go back to mechanical testing. I 530 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 2: like mechanical testing better. I like a cylinder leaked down 531 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: test better than a mechanical compression test, you know, And 532 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: we've got to get away from mechanical compression testing. A 533 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 2: lot of vehicle manufacturers no longer give us mechanical compression tests. 534 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: Wait until you get into a newer engine within Atkinson, 535 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 2: within Atkinson cycle engine where they're varying valve timing and 536 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 2: overlap and open and you know you'll get you'll get 537 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 2: sixty pounds on a compression test and you'll say, gee, 538 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: it's broken. It's not, you know, it's it's the it's 539 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: operating as designed. Compression tests, mechanical compression tests are going away. 540 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 2: But a cylinder leaked down test, a cylinder leaked down 541 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 2: test never lies. If it if it holds air, then 542 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: it's got a fire. And if it doesn't fire, there's 543 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 2: something else going on there. Now not to say I 544 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 2: could have a I could have a vehicle with a 545 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 2: cylinder that passes leak down and have a Warren Camp 546 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: shaft that the valve doesn't open enough either exhaust or 547 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 2: intake with other valve trained problems follower or rock or 548 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 2: problems that don't allow the valve to push open. But 549 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: the first thing I want to do is establish is 550 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 2: the cylinder. Does the cylinder have integrity? And then you 551 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: can decide, you know, pull the valve cover obviously, and 552 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 2: then as you're getting into camp phasers look at the 553 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: rest of it. So that's my thoughts, Paul, I appreciate 554 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: the email, very nice. Well. Email a long two pages 555 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: and if you want to if you want to talk more, 556 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: you know where to you know where to find me. 557 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: But I would say do some of that testing and 558 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 2: then we can kind of talk about it from there. 559 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: If you're still stuck A five five five six zero 560 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 2: nine nine zero zero, I'm running aiding of the car doctor. 561 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 2: I'll be back right after this. Don't go away, welcome back. 562 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: I'm running in the car doctor. Phone number here is 563 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 2: eight five to five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 564 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: Give us a call, leave a message. If we're not 565 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: on the air, you can get in the queue for 566 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 2: the next live broadcast. We're here on the air Saturdays 567 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 2: to to four pm East Coast time. And you know, 568 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: if we get a message on eight five five five 569 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 2: six zero nine nine zero zero, and you know tell 570 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 2: us that you want us to call you back, you 571 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: know we we we need direction from you because we 572 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: get so many phone calls we're not quite sure. You know, 573 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: understand this isn't a twenty four to seven answering service 574 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 2: in the sense that we can't call you back at 575 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: that moment. We want to put you up on air. 576 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 2: We want to get you in the queue. We're trying 577 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: to educate everybody in the best that's best done via 578 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 2: the airwaves. So you know, that's what this radio shows about. 579 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: Remember last week we talked to a gentleman I can't 580 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: recall his name, who had been at his repair shop 581 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: that he had a problem with his vehicle in the shop, 582 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: didn't want to scan it for codes because it would 583 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: cost him money, because it was an intermittent problem and such. 584 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 2: It was came to the end of I think it 585 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: was the end of the second hour last week, and 586 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: I thought about that all week. You know, it incited 587 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: a rant in which I was kind of proud of. 588 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: I thought I did a good job of that, pointing 589 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: out that I think it's the repair shops obligation for 590 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,239 Speaker 2: a regular customer, the people that have been coming in 591 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: and you know, trusting you for your for your work 592 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: and your expertise over the years to give them that 593 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: two minutes and how far does that two minutes go? 594 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: Where does a shop draw the line? And you know, 595 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: and sometimes I think repair shops are their own worst enemy. 596 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 2: I do. I think customers have their issues too. I 597 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: see it from both sides, but I think repair shops 598 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: kind of you know, they walk on land mines sometimes 599 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 2: and they don't realize they're blowing themselves up. I had 600 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: a good customer this week, and I consider all my 601 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 2: customers good customers because you know, if they if they 602 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: stick around, I'm real happy to take care of them 603 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: and do everything I can for him. And Gene actually 604 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: emailed me from the parking lot of work this week. 605 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: He was his car was in the Bronx eight thirty 606 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 2: at night one night this week and the check engine 607 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 2: light had come on. And Gene carries his own scan tool, 608 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: which I'm not surprised at, knowing how efficient he is. 609 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 2: That it had a P zero eight forty seven transfault 610 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: in a twenty twenty Mazda c X five. I believe 611 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: it is. It's a five or nine, I forget which 612 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 2: I think it's a five. And you know, is it 613 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: safe to drive? Home, and I asked the usual due 614 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 2: diligence questions, get you know, can you can you? Does 615 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: it operate normally? Does it feel like it's you know, 616 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: shifting correctly? And he said yes, yes, yes, take it home. 617 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: You know what's what's let's see what it does. Because 618 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: a majority of these cars have a limp home feature. 619 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: They will get you home because they don't want you 620 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 2: to be stuck in the Bronx or anywhere, you know, 621 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 2: from the perspective of you're stuck on the side of 622 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: the road waiting for a tow truck, because that's bad marketing. 623 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 2: That's bad, you know, that's that's that's bad for the 624 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: reputation of that product line. When I got to work 625 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: the next day, I took the ten minutes and I decided, 626 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: you know, Gene is clearly worthy of ten minutes. I'm 627 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: glad to give it to him, and I'm glad to 628 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: give him fifteen. And I did a little research and 629 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: I came up with a bulletin from Mazda one that 630 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: I was not aware of O fivesh DOB two slash 631 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 2: twenty three that talks about P zero eight forty seve 632 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: being stored in certain model range Mazas, and it goes 633 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 2: all the way back to twenty twelve, all the way 634 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 2: up through twenty one x ninex three cx five And 635 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 2: I have a point. I'll make it in a minute. 636 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 2: And it talks about P zero eight forty seven and 637 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 2: a few other transrelated faults. And they want you to 638 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 2: do specific things. They want you to do a computer reflash, 639 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 2: update the software, or possibly change the switch and some 640 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 2: of the other things. Why did I take this job on? Well, 641 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 2: the car is three years old, It's got twenty two 642 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 2: thousand miles on it. This isn't a repair. This is 643 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: a manufacturer's defect. This is something that the manufacturer did 644 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: wrong because they got bad parts from a vendor when 645 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: they built the vehicle. And my opinion, you know, the 646 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: vehicle is out of base warranty, might have extended powertrain 647 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: on it. I don't know that yet. I think it 648 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: depends on how loud the customer yells at the manufacturer 649 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: at that point. But my opinion is I gave Gene 650 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: the bulletin, I armed him with everything I know, and 651 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: I had him call the dealer. Of course, he had 652 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 2: a terrible experience there, from what he tells me, because 653 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 2: nobody in service would pick up the phone. He had 654 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: a call sales to get somebody in service to pick 655 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: up the phone. And I'm probably telling the story and 656 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: leaving a few things out that his frustrations mounted and 657 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: surfaced and he's still not quite sure if the vehicles fixed, 658 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 2: but it might be covered under warranty. And my point becomes, 659 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: I think part of what a repair shop does now 660 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: and in the future is to guide that customer, is 661 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 2: to give them direction, to give them support, because you're 662 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: never gonna you're never gonna override the manufacturer. You're never 663 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: going to you know, be able to usurp the manufacturer. 664 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: The manufacturer will at some point come back to support Gene. 665 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: I'm fairly sure of it. And you know it's it's 666 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 2: it's your obligation to help guide that person. You know, Listen, 667 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 2: it's like dating sometimes, you know what, Yeah, go date 668 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: the other guy. They find out the other guy doesn't 669 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: hold the door open for you, and he doesn't buy 670 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: you flowers every once in a while or bring you candy. 671 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 2: You know, I don't do it on purpose, but it 672 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: was very refreshing to hear Gene say, oh my god, 673 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: this place is terrible. They don't know what they're doing. 674 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: There's no customer service, there's no support, there's no answers, 675 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 2: there's no help, there's you know, God speed, Gene. I 676 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 2: think you're on the path. I think this car is 677 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: getting a software update and possibly a switch. They're not 678 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: really quite sure yet, but it'll be two weeks before 679 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: we know. But yeah, it's the obligation of a repair 680 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 2: shop to help guide their customer, not necessarily fix every card, 681 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: because that's what you're there for. You're there to help 682 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 2: give them direction. That's what brings them back and keeps 683 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 2: them loyal all at the same time. Just my thoughts. 684 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: Eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 685 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,719 Speaker 2: I'm running eighty in the car, doctor. I'll be here 686 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: to wrap it up right after this. Welcome back. One 687 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 2: quick piece of email, Ron, thanks for taking time to 688 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 2: read this. I got a twenty sixteen to Tacoma. The 689 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 2: key fob the key fops would work fine until they 690 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: started to fade. I'm not sure what you mean by that, Thomas. 691 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 2: What I mean by oh, what I mean by that 692 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 2: is every once in a while they wouldn't work, but 693 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 2: then then they would start to work again. I say 694 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: they because my spirit was doing the same thing as 695 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 2: my daily user. I changed the battery in both of 696 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: them and now neither one of them will open or 697 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: lock the doors. So my first question is did you 698 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 2: put the batteries in? Right? I know it's a basic question. 699 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: And do we know the batteries are good? And don't 700 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 2: assume because they came out of the wrapper new you know? 701 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 2: Do they work? So you know, that's the first thing 702 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 2: I forgot where I got this information. But someone said 703 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 2: there's a module behind the glovebox and I need to 704 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 2: do is unplug it and pull it back to reset 705 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 2: the module. Then he talks about going into the glovebox, 706 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 2: and you know, Thomas, one step at a time. 707 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 3: Brother. 708 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 2: You know, if your mechanic has a tire pressure monitoring tool, 709 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 2: why am I saying this because a lot of the 710 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 2: TPMs tools have the ability to read key fobs. Have 711 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: them check the key fobs to be sure they're functioning 712 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 2: first before you get deeper into the system and start 713 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 2: unplugging things. Do that and then send me another note, 714 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 2: give me a call. I'm ronnin eighty in the productor 715 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 2: reminding you the mechanics aren't expensive. They're priceless, See you