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Speaker 1: Miles Man. Really great to do a podcast. I gotta

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Speaker 1: of cool. Miles. We're talking about Trump University today. What

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Speaker 1: over the years and to find a practical, convenient way

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Speaker 1: to teach success. Trump University doesn't just bear my name.

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Speaker 1: I'm actively involved in it. I participated in just in

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Speaker 1: creating the curricula, and my words, ideas, and image have

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Speaker 1: been woven into the course as we provide. I'm deeply

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Speaker 1: inactively involved in Trump University because I firmly believe in

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Speaker 1: the power of education and its function as an engine

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Speaker 1: of success. I want to help people, and simply put

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Speaker 1: the Trump University students want to be successful. I'm on

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Speaker 1: their side. Wow. That's uh again, Like even if for

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Speaker 1: all the amount of words that were in there, yeah

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Speaker 1: a lot of them. Yeah, you could really just boil

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Speaker 1: that down to one sentence, is this is good and

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Speaker 1: I and I'm involved. Yeah, this is good and I'm involved.

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Speaker 1: Go to school. That's it. Yeah. All that other ship

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Speaker 1: that's just so funny is like it reminds me of

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Speaker 1: me when I used to write essays in high school

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Speaker 1: or like you're trying to hit that word count. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I would fucking have like ninety word sentences. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, just to just say, like Cardinal Richelieu was

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Speaker 1: Louis the thirteenth Greatest Advisor or whatever the funk, whichever

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Speaker 1: Louis that was the fourteenth, it was one of the Louis.

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Speaker 1: You know, not enough kids named Richelieu anymore. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it's part of the pacification of this country.

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Speaker 1: I don't name. If you're out there and you've got

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Speaker 1: a child, name it, yeah, name it Ricola. Oh yeah,

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00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: those are great ments. Branded content. Yeah, Ricola. If you

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Speaker 1: want to sponsor the show, we'll find a baby to name.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we can do that for exchange my name. No, Ricola,

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Speaker 1: I think we have that power. Okay. At the outset

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Speaker 1: Trump University, students were promised classes that would be taught

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Speaker 1: by actual business school professors would communicate with students through

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Speaker 1: an online bulletin board, so you know, like a real

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Speaker 1: online university. There would be regular Q and A sessions

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Speaker 1: where students could ask Mr Trump for advice on their businesses.

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Speaker 1: So this was build as a practical business training program

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Speaker 1: where students would receive thoughtful and semi direct advice from

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Speaker 1: one of the world's most famous businessmen. In the press

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Speaker 1: release for Trump University, Donald Trump claimed that his whole

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Speaker 1: goal with the project was to give back to the

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Speaker 1: world and create quote a legacy as an educator. He

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Speaker 1: even promised to hand any profits from his business over

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Speaker 1: to an unspecified charity, an unspecified Well, it's always going

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Speaker 1: to be an unspecified charity. I'm gonna start doing that.

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Speaker 1: That's fucking genius. All of the profits from their show

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Speaker 1: are donated to an unsci specified chair, which is me

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Speaker 1: buying uh survivalist compound and organ right that unspecified chair

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Speaker 1: specific of hiding and well, yeah you see right. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, what a good way to just just to

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Speaker 1: wiggle your way out of anything. You know, it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Did you do some did you clean up the house?

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Speaker 1: I did some unspecified specified cleaning, unspecified things, unspecified shorts, specified,

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Speaker 1: unspecified charity. Yeah, he should make a T shirt like that.

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Speaker 1: Cops pull you over, do you have a license? I

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Speaker 1: have an unspecified unspecified license of sorts. Yeah, oh boy,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so I didn't even read the last Trump

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Speaker 1: quote about how this isn't about money. Here's Donald again.

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Speaker 1: If I had a choice of making lots of money

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Speaker 1: or imparting lots of knowledge, I think I'd be as

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Speaker 1: happy to impart knowledge is to make money. Get the

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Speaker 1: fuck out. Oh my god. He still doesn't actually say

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Speaker 1: that imparting knowledge is more important, Like he sets it

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Speaker 1: up that that's how. But then he's like, yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: both equal, They're both equal, and you know whatever. I

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Speaker 1: like money, but I like money. Yeah, Now, when to

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Speaker 1: say knowledge is money? Knowledge is money? That is what

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Speaker 1: they say with Betsy Betsy DeVos is the secretary of education?

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Speaker 1: Or money is knowledge? Yeah, the ability to access knowledge? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's probably more. That's probably more accurate. Yeah. Now, in

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Speaker 1: two dozen five, the Apprentice had, as we just discussed,

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Speaker 1: just finished its first season. It was one of the

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Speaker 1: most popular shows on television for reasons I will never understand.

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Speaker 1: H In addition to that, the real estate market was

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Speaker 1: in the midst of an outrageous boom cycle that would

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Speaker 1: later give way to the Great Crash of two thousand eight.

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Speaker 1: So for a year in change, Trump you existed as

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Speaker 1: a semi legit seeming adult education program for people interested

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Speaker 1: in dipping their toes into the booming real estate market

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Speaker 1: makes sense, But by two thousand seven, the market was

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Speaker 1: starting to look distinctly less boomy and more busty. Was

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Speaker 1: the economy started to shift, so did Trump University. Roger

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Speaker 1: Shank and all the other professional teachers and curriculum designers

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Speaker 1: who had been hired at the onset of the project

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Speaker 1: were let go. Shank was told that the school had

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Speaker 1: burnt through the three million in funding Donald Trump had

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Speaker 1: pumped into the venture. Shank later told The Daily Beast quote,

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Speaker 1: they put a certain amount of money into it, and

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Speaker 1: then the money stopped suddenly. I said, what happened? And

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Speaker 1: they said, well, we just don't have any more money

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Speaker 1: and we need to make money quickly in some other way.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's what you want to hear from a college. Wait,

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Speaker 1: that's what the college told him. They fired, And I

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Speaker 1: guess it's a person at the but like, we need

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Speaker 1: money really fast, and it ain't gonna be like you're

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Speaker 1: great at this, but now we got to make more money,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna find some other way to do it

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Speaker 1: in our college. So wait to know what that plan was. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun. So. Ronald

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Speaker 1: Shackenburg was a sales manager at Trump University from late

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Speaker 1: two thousand and six to two thousand seven. He later

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Speaker 1: recalled this shift in a deposition that he made during

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Speaker 1: one of the numerous lawsuits as a result of this

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Speaker 1: fake college. Quote this is Shackenburg. Around February two seven,

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Speaker 1: the direction of Trump University's business drastically changed to live

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Speaker 1: events and seminars driven by high pressure front end salesman

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Speaker 1: inexperienced in real estate making high pressure sales. So these

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Speaker 1: live events were built as workshops and learning courses, but

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Speaker 1: there were really just excuses to upsell students on more

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Speaker 1: expensive training rather than using curriculum designed by actual experts.

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Speaker 1: In anything Trump, You've brought in a guy named Mark Dove.

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Speaker 1: Shackenburg described him as a guy who quote essentially owns

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Speaker 1: that front end, high pressure speaker scam world provided speakers, instructors, mentors,

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Speaker 1: and sales people to Trump University, and these people brought

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Speaker 1: with them their own programs, which turned into Trump University programs.

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Speaker 1: I was very uncomfortable with this new direction of business,

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Speaker 1: as I believed it to be very unethical. So there

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Speaker 1: were good people involved the beginning whatever. They probably don't

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Speaker 1: fully understand that kind of you know, scam artists that

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Speaker 1: the president is no nobody. I mean the two thousand

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Speaker 1: five really different times. It's yeah, it's the Apprentice guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he's popular on TV. Yeah. Check, we'll teach people

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Speaker 1: some real stuff. And then so the Mark Dove guy,

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Speaker 1: they said he owns like just sort of like the

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Speaker 1: same people who probably do like timeshare sales, the exact

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Speaker 1: same come here, and then when they'll fucking locked you

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Speaker 1: in the room. So they switch over to live events,

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Speaker 1: and these live events are administrated by people who are

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Speaker 1: billed as teachers, but who are actually saying closers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're just closing exactly. It must have been so fun, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it must have been great. They made a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: He's so full of ship, just go up there with

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Speaker 1: all this confidence, like I can't wait for you guys

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00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: to be flying on your own jets. Look at this rolex.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give someone this rolex by the end of tonight,

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00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: because guess what, by the tomorrow morning, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: enough for three more of these. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you could see Miles, but I just voted for you

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Speaker 1: to be president. I should just I couldn't stop myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to start a new con Man podcast from

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Speaker 1: selling people dreams. Yeah, I mean all podcasts are at

563
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: con if they're successful. That's true. People don't even know.

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Speaker 1: It's not even a guy named Stalin. Oh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: made that up for this man's podcast. You. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: Alex Jones, just me in a wig, Alex Jones, my

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Speaker 1: friend Alex Jones. So uh, this is around the time

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Speaker 1: two seven that Stephen Gilpin, the author of that book,

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Speaker 1: got hired by the university. He had a lot of

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Speaker 1: experience in real estate and his business had fallen on

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Speaker 1: hard times as the market started to collapse. They hired

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Speaker 1: him initiatively to be a one man phone line for

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Speaker 1: Trump you students who had questions about real estate matters.

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Speaker 1: Gilpin recalled in his book being surprised to learn that

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Speaker 1: nobody else involved in the management or operations of Trump

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Speaker 1: University had any kind of background in real estate. It's

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Speaker 1: a real estate school run by people who had never

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Speaker 1: done real estate. Whatever do you work just for Hilton

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Speaker 1: Trump Foundation? It was the Trump Foundation. Trum found Okay,

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Speaker 1: anything else, No, no, I've just been building people out

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Speaker 1: of money for a while. Okay. Now. During this whole time,

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Speaker 1: Trump University ads continued to brag an official promotional material

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Speaker 1: that all the instructors at these live events were real

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Speaker 1: estate experts handpicked by Donald Trump. The Attorney General of

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Speaker 1: New York State later disputed this in a filing quote.

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Speaker 1: In fact, respondents lacked substantiation for the claims that their

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Speaker 1: instructors and mentors were successful real estate entrepreneurs. Not a

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Speaker 1: single one was handpicked by Donald Trump. Many it came

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Speaker 1: to Trump University from jobs having little to do with

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Speaker 1: real estate investments, and some came to Trump University shortly

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Speaker 1: after their real estate investing caused them to go into bankruptcy.

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Speaker 1: Failed real estate investors and people who don't know anything

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Speaker 1: about real estate, and if they do, they've just bankrupted themselves,

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00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: bankrupted themselves. And like, well, I guess I'll teach people

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Speaker 1: how to do this. Oh, it's it's the American dream, baby,

596
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Speaker 1: Just keep failing on up. God, this is such a

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Speaker 1: great country. We really, we really nailed a lots. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's all if you if you just lie for seventies

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Speaker 1: straight years and you're a tall, white guy. Sometimes not,

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Speaker 1: but always if you're a tall white guy, there's no

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Speaker 1: limit to what you can achieve. Oh no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you could even one day be the President of the

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Speaker 1: United States. You could be. You could be. That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do after I shift next year and

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Speaker 1: start writing for the Daily Wire. Uh yeah, because you

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Speaker 1: want to have that like, you want to have that

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Speaker 1: arc where you're like, oh no, I used to be

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Speaker 1: a leftist. I used to go, yeah, you could, and

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Speaker 1: you could probably primary Trump. Oh yeah, well I won't

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Speaker 1: be old quite old enough. Oh yeah, he'll be at

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Speaker 1: office by that time, doctor primary President Ann Coulter from

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Speaker 1: the right. From the right, it would be the evans Ingram,

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Speaker 1: the evans Ingram, Jesus Christ. Okay, so there's a video

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Speaker 1: produced around this time two thousand seven called Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Trump University. I want to play this video to you, Miles,

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Speaker 1: and I want you the listener to hear it, because

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Speaker 1: that way you'll get an idea of how this was

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Speaker 1: sold a perspective clients. Now, I do want to say

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Speaker 1: up front, this is the only audio of Trump we're

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Speaker 1: going to have in the episode. I had to have

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Speaker 1: a little bit of how he presented this, but we

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Speaker 1: all hear him enough. Yeah, so this is all you're

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00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to listen to this promo video. Yeah. At

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Speaker 1: Trump University, we teach success. That's what it's all about. Success.

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Speaker 1: It's going to happen to you. Donald Trump is without question,

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Speaker 1: the world's most famous businessman. As a real estate developer,

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Speaker 1: he has reshaped the New York skyline with some of

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Speaker 1: that great cities, most prestigious and elegant building great la.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump brings his years of experience to the world

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Speaker 1: of business education with a launch of Trump University. If

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Speaker 1: you're going to achieve anything, you have to take action,

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Speaker 1: and action what Trump University is all about. That's a

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Speaker 1: small part of Trump the University. Trump University is about

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Speaker 1: knowledge about a lot of different things. Above all, it's

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Speaker 1: about how to become successful. That's not enough of that.

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Speaker 1: What it was, I mean, you know it was so bad. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I really feel bad for people who don't have the

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00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: media savvy to watch something like that. I mean they go, oh,

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00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: this stinks like ship. Now. I think some of that

640
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: is that, you know, we're we're this was fourteen years ago. Yeah,

641
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: but we were all a little less savvy. But hell,

642
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: but still that's bad. That fucking the voiceover was from

643
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: like a b action movie from the eighties. Yeah, just

644
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Speaker 1: as someone like you who reads stuff in the microphones

645
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Speaker 1: for a living. That was really bad voice. But also

646
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: just like the tone of his voice, it was so dated,

647
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: like that style of voice was like that's such a yeah,

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00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: And it was like Dean Marciano is there, you know,

649
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: disgrace detective if his family was killed. Like that's the

650
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: kind of weird tone it was. And then it was

651
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: all like not even stock video stock footage with like that.

652
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: They just animated to move like Ken Burns effect and

653
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: they're like, I guess that's fine. And then Trump University

654
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: was just a graphic of a door. It wasn't even

655
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: like a building. Oh I do love that like kind

656
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: of ravy music that kicked on with Donald Trump start.

657
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: We all started dancing to it a little bit. It

658
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: was bizarre. I just I've always wondered what it would

659
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: be like to run into Donald Trump at like a

660
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: dance club in Berlin, And that's the closest I'm ever

661
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: gonna come to knowing. Yeah, and or he's sitting on

662
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: the corner of a desk like it looked like he

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00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: was in that club. Action. What did you say? Trump?

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Speaker 1: Action is what it takes to be successful in Trump

665
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: universe is all about action again, what does that even mean?

666
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: What does that even the action of giving me a

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00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: credit card? Yeah? Sure, yeah, yeah yeah uh okay. So

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Speaker 1: the first Trump University live events took place in Florida

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Speaker 1: in May of two thousand seven. The second one took

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00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: place in Los Angeles around a month later. That is

671
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: where you'd want to start a scam Florida, then l

672
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: a sensible. So far, each of these live events had

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00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: about five attendees that The events were free, but attendees

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00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: were encouraged to sign up for longer paid workshops. I

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00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: see that were happening that day. No, no, no, that

676
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: happened later, okay, so that you'd come, okay, So that

677
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: was just to be like, oh, yeah, yeah, come, we'll

678
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: tell you about it, and they'll teach you well that

679
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: we'll teach you about real estate for free, right, and

680
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: we'll just tell you just enough vague half sentences that

681
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: you want to learn a little more. The real meat

682
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: is to take these these longer seminars. Way, will you

683
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: hear about the cost of these I gotta ask up front,

684
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Speaker 1: how how much do you think people are spending on

685
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: these seminars? So and this is what two thousand two

686
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: seven seven, Oh, people didn't know any better, and there

687
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: man maybe like two grand Okay, okay, I'm gonna just

688
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: read a little passage from Stephen Gilpin's The new business

689
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: model was designed to operate in two stages, first offering

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00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: aspiring real estate magnates a free ninety minute profit from

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00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: Real Estate Orientation also known as the preview, where they'd

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Speaker 1: be pressured to pay for the second stage, a three

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00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: day profit from Real Estate Workshop. During the workshop, they'd

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Speaker 1: be enticed and controlled into buying one of the Trump

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Speaker 1: Elite packages, which were offered at three price points nine thousand,

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00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: ninety five dollars Bronze, N four d ninety five dollars, Silver,

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00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: and then the whopper at thirty four thousand Ryde. Didn't

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00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: stop there. During the Gold Delete program, there was constant

699
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: pressure to purchase other Trump University affiliate programs and products,

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00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: varying in price from four five dollars to nine thousand,

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00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: nine five dollars. As a result, students could ultimately spend

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00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: upwards of seventy tho dollars Wait, so the the first

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00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: thing is free. First thing is free to get you

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Speaker 1: to the second thing, which is only to get you

705
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: to this. So how much is the second thing? Bucks?

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00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes a thousand, Some people pay like five hundred.

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00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: It was flexible a little bit, but right, whatever it

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00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: is to get you there, because they were really going

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Speaker 1: to rip your head off next dollars. I mean, if

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00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: you're fucking losering at the bronze for ten grand and

711
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: if you're really trying to um and I really want to. Yeah,

712
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: they're just getting put together in there. We're gonna get

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00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: into their promotional material and not promotional, there's sales material

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00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: and a little bit here. So the first live events

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00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: were such a hit that Trump University almost immediately jettisoned

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00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: all of its actual classes. Many of the course books

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00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: continued to be sold on Amazon, and in fact you

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00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: can buy some today, but the study courses were dropped

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00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: in the website stopped being updated. The purpose of Trump

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00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: University from here on out was to sucker rubes into

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00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: free investment seminars to try and get them to pay

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00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: outrageous sums of money for Trump Gold Elite packages. Now,

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00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: what are the path What we don't do know, it's

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00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: in the package. Yeah. So if you're paying thirty five

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00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, you're doing like a series, like a three

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00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: day series of of workshops. You're getting access to what

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00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: they build as like this uh like secret listing of

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00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: distressed properties that you can buy that other people don't

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00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: have access to. You get access to this hot line

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00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: and you get three days with a mentor who flies

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00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: in to help you like understand your local real estate

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Speaker 1: market and start setting up deals. They also promised that

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Speaker 1: they'll teach you how to do stuff like get your

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00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: credit rating increased, presumably so that you can buy property.

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00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: And they also promise you sources of hard money where

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00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: you won't have to put your own money up. We'll

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00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: we'll hook you up at our secret list of people

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Speaker 1: who are willing to invest in your put up money

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00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: in front for you. Yeah. What so that's what they're

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00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: selling people. What they're telling people is what you get,

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00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: And I'm sure what they got was something was different yea.

742
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: And what our listeners are going to get now is

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00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: some ads and we're back talking about Trump you true University.

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00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad to do this, you know, with another fellow

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00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: Trump you alumna. Yeah, yeah, it's been a lot of

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00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: This is singular alumnus, alumno whatever, alumni or two of

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00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: us together, alumni, two of us together. Are you going

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00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: to the reunion? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's uh, well,

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00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: I forget where it is. I think the Queen Mary. Yeah.

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00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be a

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00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: great time. Although I heard it's not an open bar.

752
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: Oh that's a shame, but it's fine. I love that

753
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: Trump vodka. Yeah, man made from the finest old old

754
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: potatoes of all of the liquor to brand after yourself. Yeah,

755
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: Trump vodka. Only dan Ackroid has been able to get

756
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: away with that. Yeah. Well, people like to drink out

757
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: of a skull. People like to drink out of a skull.

758
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: People like to drink out of a skull more than

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00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: they like to drink out of a tower. Oh yeah,

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00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: that's the lesson of Is that the bottle first? Yeah,

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00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: it's like shaped like one of his towers. Yet. Well,

762
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: it didn't work out, but it's okay. I think he's

763
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: doing all right now. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see now.

764
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: During this whole time, The Apprentice continue to air, and

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00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: Trump's personal brand continue to rise among people who assume

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00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: anyone wearing a suit on TV is a successful businessman.

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00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: According to the New York Attorney General, Quote Trump University

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00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: speakers repeatedly insinuated that Donald Trump would appear at the

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00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: Three Days Men are claiming that he is going to

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00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: be in town and often drops by and might show

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00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: up or had just left, or bated students with the

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00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: promise of a surprise or a special guest speaker. As

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00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: students later discovered these claims were untrue, rather than being

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00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: photographed with Donald Trump, they were offered the chance to

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00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: have photos taken with a life size photo of Donald Trump.

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00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember this thing. It was like a cutout, right,

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00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: basically it was. It's just a cut out of Trump.

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00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: I love that kind of ship. You just missed him.

779
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: He was just in here and he wanted to tell

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00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: you guys. He told me personally to tell you guys

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00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: that what you were doing is going to change your lives. Ah,

782
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: he's going to be sick that he missed you guys.

783
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: He's so bummed out. He is so bummed out. Anyway,

784
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: if you just sign up, Mark, let me talk to

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00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: your fucking check bounced club free knowledge asshole. Trump University was,

786
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: of course, deeply mixed up with the Trump Foundation, since

787
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Speaker 1: that's sort of how the now president preferred to run

788
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: all of his businesses. Every check the business issued was

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00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: signed by either Donald or one of his kids. Donald

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00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: didn't have much, if anything to say about the curriculum,

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00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: such as it was, but he approved every single line

792
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: of ad copy written about the business, and he testified

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00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: to this in the court, like I approved all of

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00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: the ads, all of the promotional material. That's the only

795
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: thing he did. And what were those ads? Like, Well,

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00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: I found a couple and we'll put them up on

797
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: our side behind the bastards dot com. One of them

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00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: features Donald Trump looking like Donald Trump in a suit

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00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: with a big quote above a bunch of small text,

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00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: and the big quote says, if you're not a millionaire

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00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: by December two thousand eight, you didn't attend by foreclosure workshop.

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00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: Another has the Trump University logo at the top, which

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00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: features like a lion like rearing like a like a

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00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: design of a lion rearing like he's a fucking British nobleman. Uh,

805
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: and then it says unheard of real estate market factors

806
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: have created a all Caps Bold Perfect Storm of Profit

807
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: Opportunity free introductory class. Reserve your seat now attend this

808
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: exciting introductory class and learned how you can profit all

809
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: caps from the biggest real estate cash explosion in decades.

810
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: Do you have like old ads from like snake oil

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00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: salesman from like the like the Wild West, Because I

812
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: feel like those ads essentially read like have this same

813
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: kind of presentation and enthusiast sort of capitalization, like you'll

814
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: never believe this thing from the Orient. It definitely looks

815
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: like some of the bottles I've seen of like children's

816
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: medicinal heroine, like Amazing Tonic. Yeah, wow, amazing, the perfect

817
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: storm for you to profit. Yeah. Now, when we talk

818
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: about cons like this, there's always a risk of like

819
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: coming down too hard on the people who fell for

820
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: the scam. That's something I want to try to avoid

821
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: because it is my firm belief that just about everyone

822
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: has something they will fall for in the same way

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00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: these people fell for Trump University. Gilpin does a good

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00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: job of sort of standing up for these people in

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00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: his book, which is one reason that I have some

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00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: respect for him. He's not mean about these people. Um,

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00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: they aren't dumb folks. Most of them were like nearing

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00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: retirement age and it's spent years as like plumbers or

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00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: like one of them worked for like an aeronautics company

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00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: and stuff. They just didn't know anything about real estate, right,

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00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: And they've saved up like a good amount, got a

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00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: nest egg money, and they can just piss it away

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00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: at this thing. Yeah, they want to, they want to

834
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: try it out. They want to like make more money

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00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: for retirement or something like that. And Donald Trump is

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00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: the most famous person they know in real estate because

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00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: they don't know anything about real estate. Yeah. Yeah. Vanity

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00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: Fair did a great job of collecting several of these

839
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: people's stories. I'd like to read an excerpt from their article.

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00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: It starts with the tale of June Harris from White Plains,

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00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: New York. She took a Trump real estate course and

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00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: found it valuable, so she signed up for a free

843
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: session in June two thousand nine after seeing a newspaper

844
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: ad quote. Participants were told to keep a thousand dollars

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00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: in their pockets at all times as a confidence builder

846
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: for wealth. Harris signed up for the three day seminar,

847
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: which cost her seven seven dollars and fifty cents. She

848
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: spent the weekend of June nineteenth at the seminar, where

849
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: she was encouraged to call her credit card company and

850
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: increase her line of credit. They said that we should

851
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: invest in property without every touching our own assets, she

852
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: wrote in a Septemp for two thousand twelve affidavit. The

853
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: instructor said, if we surmounted the fear of losing money,

854
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: then we would actually make money. She was then encouraged

855
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: to sign up for the Trump Gold Mentorship Program at

856
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: a cost of thirty five thou dollars, described as a

857
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: year long group of seminars and private consultations with Trump instructors.

858
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: When Harris declined, the agent was very upset and quickly

859
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: hung up on the phone with me. She wrote in

860
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: her affidavit. Yeah, can you uh, at least she didn't

861
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: get scammed out of the thirty five I know, but

862
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: I just like, this person is probabing so terrible on

863
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: the phone too. She's like, I don't know, it's just

864
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Come on, you want to be

865
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: poor all your life? Else you want to be poor?

866
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: Come on, get it fucking together. You don't want what

867
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's offering you. You're not grateful. Oh okay, so

868
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: you're an idiot. Yeah, okay, that's fine. Then dumbass, then

869
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: don't take up our time on our phone line. Well

870
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't think. Just shut the funk up. Click. Oh

871
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: my god. Trump University. So one of the things that

872
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: was advertised about these courses was that students would be

873
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: able to learn how to increase their credit score and

874
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: boost their credit limits Jim Ablie so that they could

875
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: again buy properties to flip. Trump You employees did coach

876
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: students through how to get their credit limits increased, largely

877
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: through lying. Students were taught to list their expected income

878
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: as a result of the work in real estate they

879
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: hadn't done yet. They were told to tell their banks

880
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 1: that finding the documentation to prove any of this would

881
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: be too hard since they needed the limits increased now.

882
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: Somehow this often worked because credit card companies and banks

883
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: are grifters too. Yeah, They're like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fine,

884
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: we'll get some money either way. It was amazing saying

885
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: fake it to you, making the sense that like, oh, well,

886
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: my projected income, and then they just right there there,

887
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a millionaire projected probably I'm thinking three

888
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: to four million, Yeah, three or four million years. It's

889
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: about right, seems about right, yeah, net yeah, based on

890
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: my experience cleaning my apartment, Yeah, I think I can

891
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: make that much of real. Yeah. Yeah, that's based on

892
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: what I've been reading you. Yeah, that seems about right. Okay. Now,

893
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: the credit increases were actually important because they were basically

894
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: the only way normal people could hope to put together

895
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: the twenty THIRTI dollars needed to pay for gold and

896
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: silver level packages. So that this didn't seem crazy, Trump

897
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: you employees would point to the American higher education system.

898
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: University is expensive, after all. According to Time Quote, the

899
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: teachers were always to be called faculty. A crest that

900
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: looked like it was borrowed from Harvard or Yale was

901
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: embedded in the logo, and admissions department was listed on

902
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: the website. The marketing guidelines had sections called catch phrases, buzzwords,

903
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: and tone that encourage the use of language such as elitist,

904
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: ivy league, and think of Trump University is a real

905
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: university with a real admissions process, i e. Not everyone

906
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: who applies is accepted. Now. Gilpin points out that Trump

907
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: did this too in interviews and speeches where he had

908
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: to make the case that his fake university was worth

909
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: the money. Quote. Donald Trump often implied that Trump University

910
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: was somehow inhabited the same intellectual universe as Harvard University.

911
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: In terms of cost, he was not far off. According

912
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: to the Harvard website, the total two thousand, fifteen to

913
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: sixteen cost tuition at Harvard College without financial aid was

914
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: forty five thousand, two hundred seventy eight dollars, actually less

915
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: than the so called retail value of the Trump gold

916
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: Elete package, because he said that the thirty dollar package

917
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: was worth forty dollars. Oh wow, because of all the

918
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: savings of the savings. Hey, I'm taking a bath on this, man,

919
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm taking a bath on this. I'm fucking I'm just

920
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: costing Donald Trump. Honestly, you know, if if all you

921
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: guys sign up, and I hate to say this, if

922
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: all of you guys sent up for the goal package,

923
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be totally upside honest thing. Yeah, I'm gonna

924
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: be deep in the red. But you know what, just

925
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: to know that you guys are going to be successful,

926
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: I'm willing to take that loss. Wow. It's like I'm there.

927
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: I It's like I'm there. I wish we could get

928
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of materials and we should just we should

929
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: rob them. Can we just do an episode where we

930
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: run the Trump You I have the hundred and thirty

931
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: five page Trump University playbook. You know why it's it's

932
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: public domain because of the laws, because of the loss. Yeah,

933
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: I just I would love to just like read those,

934
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: like what the style was, and just hear recordings. We're

935
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: going to pressure people. Okay, We're going to great some

936
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: of that, maybe not as much as I should have

937
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: included again, these poor people too to know that they

938
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: were sort of like the secret to making money is

939
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: you need to call your bank right now and get

940
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: that credit extended because you need to pay for this

941
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: because I'm a uh, it's amazing, it really is. Now.

942
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: Like most big businesses, Trump University had a company playbook,

943
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: which we just talked about, a hundred thirties some page

944
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: document that is now on my iPad next to five

945
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: biographies of Hitler. It included everything from how far ahead

946
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: of time employees should show up before siminar to what

947
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: they should wear in order to make the company look good.

948
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: H It also included a lot of advice on how

949
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: speakers could convince someone to drop thirty five dollars on

950
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: this bullshit. Thanks to the shameful mountain of lawsuits this

951
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: fake school inspired, we have access to this wonderful document.

952
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: Politico actually has it available as a PDF, so you

953
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: can download it right now on our site. Yeah yeah,

954
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: we'll put the link up there. Most of it's boring,

955
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: but the part that talked about how to sell the

956
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: workshops to reticent students is really interesting to me, especially

957
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: since one of the few things we know that Donald

958
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: Trump actually did for Trump University was approved the playbook.

959
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: This is all Trump and possibly Trump dictated in some case.

960
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: Do you think that's the case or like, because I

961
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: can't imagine him putting work into anything. Someone else did

962
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: it and he goes yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. But

963
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: one thing that's consistent, even when you hear about like

964
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: Roger Stone and he working on those racist ads against

965
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: the Mohawk tribe to try to like get their casinos band,

966
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: he was noted as specifically approving the ads. I think

967
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: that might just be something he really does care about.

968
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: Approving ad copy, add copy and anything and marketing material,

969
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: marketing material, because I mean, that's that's what he's good

970
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: at right. And I guess in a way that's the

971
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: written version of his identity being out there too, so

972
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: he wants to be careful with it. I guess I

973
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: would not surprise if that he put in legitimate work

974
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: just to make sure wouldn't be surprised if he goes,

975
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: oh yeah it's fine, okay, yeah yeah, if he if

976
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: he's just like, yeah, it's whatever, oh yeah, because he

977
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: would also brag he's like, yeah, I did all the work.

978
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: I actually typed everything with a typewriter, with a typewriter,

979
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: and I didn't even look at my fingers, didn't look

980
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: at my fingers. Did the home row Oh man, there

981
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: you go. I don't know if he's ever typed, you

982
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: know he has, but he's like for the camera and

983
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: he just uses index fingers. Yeah, he's a hunting pecker

984
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: for sure, and he only uses one fucking hand. Shots fired. Sorry.

985
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: So here's how the Trump University playbook advises an instructor

986
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: on how to deal with the student who keeps asking

987
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: what inconvenient questions? Someone who has too many questions for

988
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: the sales teacher. I'm surprised there was some derogatory nickname

989
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: in the manual it's like, if you get one of these,

990
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: it gets kind of main actually, okay, okay, so uh,

991
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: here's the handbook instructing the teacher. The more concerns you

992
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: have to resolve, the more power you have given the

993
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: other person, and they will begin to enjoy the power

994
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: on a subconscious level. They don't even realize it, but

995
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: having us wait on them gives them a feeling of

996
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: supremacy and they feel they are an important sale to us.

997
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: Do not get in conversations where you answer one question

998
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: after the other yet getting no closer to the sale whatsoever.

999
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: Irrelevant questions take too much time. You lose power by

1000
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: answering them. The person asking the question always has the power.

1001
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: You should only allow potential students to ask one of

1002
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: these questions and then take back the power when you

1003
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: answer one of these questions, give a quick answer, and

1004
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: then start asking questions. Examples, I'm not sure who developed

1005
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: the property. I think the real question we should be

1006
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: asking ourselves is are you ready to change your current lifestyle? Oh?

1007
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: Do not let potential students have more than one concern.

1008
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: What they're like, it's my health. You know, that's money

1009
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: that could be going to some medical treatments that would

1010
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: allow me to extend my life to keep doing this.

1011
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: It's remarkable because if you if you've ever bought like

1012
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: a Newish car, any car, really, if you buy it

1013
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: from like a lot, you're spending in that ballpark ten

1014
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: to thirty five dollars, and you're you're going up against

1015
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: like a salesman. But they'll always answer, They'll lie in

1016
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: their answers to questions, but they'll answer a lot of questions.

1017
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: Oh they know it seems shady to do anything else. Well,

1018
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 1: but the thing is at least they know they're selling

1019
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: you a car. Yeah, it is a thing that does it. Yeah,

1020
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: and like they you can actually drive away in it

1021
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: and it will do probably most of what it advertises.

1022
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: Whereas this is like you gotta do this high pressure

1023
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: ship to be like, look, bro, if they're if they're

1024
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: asking too many questions, these are the type people we're

1025
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: gonna buy who are gonna fall for it anyway. Yeah,

1026
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: it's not like like fudging when someone asks if a

1027
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: cars like undercoding, like how well it works? Oh yeah, yeah,

1028
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: you're like, oh those weather mats all whether Yeah, you're

1029
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. You're gonna be fine. Yeah, they'll, they'll,

1030
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: they'll do great. Yeah. So the playbook notes that students

1031
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: should be asked what they do and how many hours

1032
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: a week they are working, as well as whether or

1033
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: not they love their job. The reason to ask this

1034
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: is not simple human interest, But in case someone says

1035
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: they don't have the time to sign up for a

1036
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: three day workshop, you can come at them strongly and

1037
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: throw this right back at them. Well, insert students name.

1038
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: The only reason you don't have the time right now

1039
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: is because you're working forty five hours at a job

1040
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: you don't enjoy. I won't even bring up the hours

1041
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: after you factor and all the time you sit in traffic,

1042
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 1: taxes and everything else that's taken out of your paycheck.

1043
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: Have you edit up what you net an hour? I

1044
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: bet you wouldn't like that number. You're trying to fool yourself,

1045
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: but you're not fooling me. You came down here today

1046
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: because you're tired of killing yourself just to survive. We

1047
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: will show you how to thrive in real estate and

1048
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: control your own financial destiny. And the best part is

1049
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: when you double your income from real estate part time,

1050
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: you can quit your job work twenty five hours a

1051
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: week and create more wealth than you have ever dreamed of. Now,

1052
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: let's take it one step at a time. Follow me,

1053
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: and let's get you enrolled. Listen closely to the orientation.

1054
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: It's possible if you do exactly what we tell you,

1055
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 1: we may be able to start helping you put together

1056
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: a deal next Saturday. Congratulations. Oh wow, what a journey.

1057
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: Just look at you make forty cents an hour? What

1058
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 1: the fuck? Wow? The and it literally ends with congratulations. Congratulations.

1059
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: Holy there's an exclamation point yeah to be like, yeah,

1060
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: will you'll be closing a deal. Congratulations. You've decided you're

1061
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: doing it, and I'm and honestly you're The future generations

1062
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: of your family are also thinking to thank you. Right

1063
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: this second, babies are going to be out of the

1064
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: time stream and give you their things. How does that feel?

1065
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: How does what feel? To start a dynasty? You really

1066
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: should have written copy for the man I sell cars?

1067
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: Oh yo. The people you learned like I wasn't really

1068
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: good at closing because I couldn't lie, but I picked up.

1069
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: So I'm just you know, like anything that's funny to me,

1070
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: Like I'll kind of obsessed about And they were the

1071
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: people around me were fucking in like they would say

1072
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: ship like that, and they'll be like, hey, look, you

1073
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: know a man or a woman come in for the truck.

1074
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: Obviously gotta sell the man, okay. But here's the thing, man,

1075
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: you can't ignore the wife man because guess what the

1076
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: neck it fucking turns the head. Okay. And if you

1077
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: don't tend to that, the sales fucking done. And you're like,

1078
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: holy sh oh my god. I'm like, wow, is this

1079
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: something you thought of? Like, yeah, as I live, because

1080
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: I live in my van. Still, there's a guy who

1081
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: did live in this van. He was just saving his money,

1082
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: so he just it was really weird. He lived in

1083
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: his van and but was like closing deals and I'm

1084
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: not sure what happened to him. I mean, he's probably

1085
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: like Eric Prince's weird bootleg Air Force or bootleg wall

1086
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: building company. Jesus. So, I had to fight myself over

1087
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: how exactly how much of this stuff to include. Uh.

1088
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: I kind of fell down a route rabbit hole when

1089
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: I started reading this play. Um, I I stepped into

1090
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: this expecting to find sleeves, but I didn't anticipate just

1091
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: how abusive it would all sound. So here's here's like

1092
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: a chunk of a Q and a between a student

1093
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: and a sales teacher objection. I like this, but I'll

1094
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: do it later. And here's what the teacher's supposed to

1095
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: say in response, I'm glad you made it down here

1096
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: today and didn't procrastinate like you're doing. Now. Have you

1097
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: added up how much money you have lost by procrastinating

1098
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: in your life? It sounds like it's a very bad

1099
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: habit for you. If I had ten thousand dollars in

1100
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: my hand and I said, and I said, I'll give

1101
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: it to you for two thousand dollars, would you have

1102
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: to think about it or make a smart financial decision? Oh? Well,

1103
00:55:53,840 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: fuck you, it's amazing. Well, congrat but it looks like

1104
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: you're doing that thing you always do, always do you

1105
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: piece of ship. Okay, loser, keep pissing the dollars away. Yeah, yeah,

1106
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: enjoy living in the garbage trash man. Uh yeah, you

1107
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: said your mom passed away. Huh Wow, that's a shame.

1108
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: Was it from shame? Was it from shame? It was

1109
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: from shame because because of your child is such a Yeah, honestly,

1110
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: you make me sick. Get out of here, Get out

1111
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: of this. Wow, that's some real gas lighty ship. It

1112
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: is some really gas lighty ship. Yeah. The playbook uses

1113
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: the term set the hook to describe the purpose of

1114
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: those free previews, which were again build as actual informative

1115
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: sessions for people interested in real estate. Set the hook

1116
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: because the catching pray, pray that you're killing, and devour

1117
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: everything and destroy take every bit of value you can

1118
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: out of it. Well, only the bones, and pick your

1119
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: teeth with the bones. Now, teachers were directed to pretend

1120
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: they knew Donald Trump in order to make to better

1121
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: make the case that students should listen to them. Here's time.

1122
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: I remember one time Mr Trump head us over for dinner,

1123
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: the script read, after which the instructor recounted how Trump

1124
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: had confided some nugget of real estate wisdom to him. No,

1125
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: I didn't have dinner with him, conceded Gerald Martin, when

1126
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: questioned in a two thirteen deposition about a recorded presentation

1127
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: which he mouths the script's dinner with Trump line. I

1128
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: was just trying to be as close to the script

1129
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: as possible. Wow, oh man, that's my favorite kind of bullshit.

1130
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: You know, Um, I don't know, have you Have you

1131
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: ever had a steake dinner before Okay, great. So I

1132
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: was just actually with Donald Trump and at his house.

1133
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously this man is only any to find

1134
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: a steaks. And when I was there, he brought out

1135
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: this beef. It's from Japan. It's called Kobe beef. Now

1136
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: you know Kobe Bryant. Yeah, he's named after this because

1137
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: the beef is so good. Now it is. It's it's

1138
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: a kind of beef that melts in your mouth. And

1139
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that to impress you. I'm saying that

1140
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: to impress upon you that I actually have, from my

1141
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: personal relation with Donald Trump, learned the kinds of skills, techniques,

1142
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: strategies to be eating that kind of meal as if

1143
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: it were an afterthought, as if it were your I

1144
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: don't know, hot pocket, based on your body type that

1145
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking at. You See, there needs to be like

1146
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: a government registry for people who can do what you do.

1147
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: Where do we just keep tabs on them? It's just

1148
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm too empathetic like to like, actually, yeah, but I

1149
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: love this. This is safe. Have you ever seen the

1150
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: documentary Marjo. It's a it's a documentary about this kid

1151
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: who was like his parents made him be a preacher.

1152
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: This is like in like the thirties and forties when

1153
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: he was like studying at like age five, he was

1154
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: like marrying people as a six year old. There's video

1155
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: of some of this, and as an adult, like he

1156
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything else about this his whole life. So

1157
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: as an adult after his parents abandoned him, he got

1158
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: back into basically conning people out of money as a

1159
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: preacher in these like big revivals that were happening all

1160
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: the way across the South. And he felt bad about

1161
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: it because he had a soul, and so he took

1162
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: a documentary film crew in with him and like the

1163
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: seventies to record behind the scenes what happens in all

1164
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: these scam revivals. It's an incredible movie. It's an incredible movie.

1165
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: But he's got this ability to just like turn that

1166
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: on and start going right right these these beautiful like

1167
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: like evangelical rants, and it's the same sort of thing,

1168
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: like it's just amazing to watch, you know, to impress you.

1169
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm not here to impress your impress Robins line. Oh yeah,

1170
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: that sounds like a Tony Robbins line. And he says

1171
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: that he's like and you know, I've got He literally

1172
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: said some ship is like, and now I've got a rolex. Yeah,

1173
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: And he's like, and I don't say that to impress you.

1174
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: I say that to impress upon you. Like, oh wow,

1175
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: slick fucking line. That is a good that. It's not

1176
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: an unskilled job. No, not, especially when you have lines

1177
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: like that that you're like, whoa Like okay, alright, alright,

1178
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: weird flex but okay, you deserve something for that. Oh yes,

1179
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: oh man. The time quote even continues because they asked

1180
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: Donald Trump about the guy's dinner story. Uh, and he said,

1181
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't know who you're talking about, but I will

1182
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: tell you that I met many of the professors, and

1183
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: I also studied just about all the resumes. I'm very

1184
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: much into academics. You know. I was a good student. Dude,

1185
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: I met the professors. What are you talking about these

1186
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: other maniacs who were just lying through their deep the president?

1187
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: The president. The training was in fact bullshit. What training

1188
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: there was that wasn't just upselling people. Since most instructors

1189
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: had either no real estate experience or were failed real

1190
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: estate investors who had gone bankrupt in the field, they

1191
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: weren't exactly filled with good advice to begin with. Stephen

1192
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: Gilpin who was an actual real estate expert, although that's

1193
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: a pretty scammy field inherently, but he actually was had

1194
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: like certifications and stuff and had done this for years.

1195
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: But he said he had gone bankrupt. No, no, no,

1196
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: he just like his company stopped doing as well because

1197
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: the market started to cry. So he was like, well,

1198
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: this is guaranteed money, got you guys. Okay, yeah, So

1199
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: Stephen Gilpin, since he actually knew something about real estate

1200
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: and like the laws surrounding it, was ground zero zero

1201
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: for witnessing the kind of noxious nonsense that was spouted

1202
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: at these uh these seminars. Quote, one day, I got

1203
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: an incoming call from a student. Let's call him so Ill.

1204
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: He said, I'm here at the specific Well, I mean,

1205
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess a lot of people who were

1206
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: like recent immigrants to the country and managed to save

1207
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: up some money got involved in what I'm saying, Like,

1208
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: let's call him Sunil, Like, yeah, I would hate for

1209
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: the guy's name to be a Nill. Yeah, it's like,

1210
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: let's call him to be honest. From what I can

1211
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: tell about Gilpin, that might have been Mr x X.

1212
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: He said, I'm here at the Department of Records and

1213
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: Deeds trying to file documents and they won't accept my paperwork. Okay,

1214
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: I said, what are you trying to do. I'm filing

1215
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: an affidavit to cloud a title, said Sunil, and they

1216
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: won't take it. Now, Clouding a title is a real

1217
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: estate term. It basically means it refers to in a

1218
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: regularity in the chain of title of real estate property.

1219
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things you can do in

1220
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: sometimes it makes it hard to for another buyer to

1221
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: like go after the title essentially like that. I don't

1222
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: entirely understand it, but it's a kind of shady thing

1223
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: that is legal in some states. Yes, well, let me

1224
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: tell you something, Robert is it is legal. Uh, And

1225
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: I do have experience with that. It's actually out. I

1226
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen this is an Ottomar's peg

1227
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: a ristwatch anywhere. I got question, you know the name

1228
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: of a nice wristwatch. Okay. So once he hears that

1229
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: this guy is trying to cloud a title, the third

1230
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: first thing in Stephen Gilpin's head is like he starts

1231
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: thinking through the states he knows where it's illegal to

1232
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: do this, to try to see like if that's what's happening.

1233
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: I noticed the forty area code of his call, Phoenix, Arizona.

1234
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: You've made a mistake. I have said. What you're trying

1235
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: to do can't be done in the state of Arizona.

1236
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: It's illegal. But this is what our mentor told us

1237
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: to do. He said, Wait what I said? Where did

1238
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: you learn this? At the Trump University retreat in Scottsdale.

1239
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: So this kid had paid five thousand dollars to get

1240
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: a step by step advice to do something that was

1241
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: illegal in the state that he was trying to do

1242
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: it in. Since he went ahead and signed the illegal

1243
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: document before being reported, he had technically committed a crime,

1244
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: one that could have resulted in a ten thousand dollar

1245
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: fine in a year of jail time. Oh wow wow. So,

1246
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: when you get right down to it, Trump University wasn't

1247
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: just a con. It was a shockingly bad and unspeakably

1248
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: lazy con. And it's about to get shocking er, lazier,

1249
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: and somehow even grosser. When we return on Thursday, we'll

1250
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: talk about the kind of human beings who worked as

1251
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: teachers at Trump University. We'll talk about the downfall of

1252
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: Trump University, and we'll talk about what it taught our

1253
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: president to be about the magic of conning people out

1254
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: of money. Miles plus plugables glade plug ins love them. Uh.

1255
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: And also you know the I co host the Daily

1256
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: Zeitgeist on this network. Uh, daily news and politics and

1257
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: culture comedy. You know, have some laughs, talk about the news, laughs, think, learn, yeah,

1258
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: love love, But you won't hear the kind of slick

1259
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: sales should I do here? This is exclusive from Behind

1260
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Speaker 1: the Bastards and uh yeah follow me on you know

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Speaker 1: social media, Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of grade g R

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Speaker 1: A Y M I L E S So. Uh. Enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this world exclusive Miles trying to sell you can stuff

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Speaker 1: and enjoy our episode on Thursday when we returned with

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Speaker 1: the rest of the story of Trump University. Uh. You

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Speaker 1: can find us online Behind the Bastards dot com. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on Instagram and Twitter at at Bastard's Pod.

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Speaker 1: You can buy a shirt. Uh. You could also buy

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Speaker 1: my real estate investment guide Investing with Robert. I wrote

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Speaker 1: it all myself. Now I've never invested in real estate.

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Speaker 1: Uh and in fact, one year I lost tens of

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Speaker 1: thousands of dollars by renting what was essentially a mansion

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Speaker 1: for no good reason. Uh. So yeah, flex, not a

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Speaker 1: flex almost almost made me homeless. So of thousand dollars man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that bit of info was there, and I call that

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Speaker 1: of lex. Yeah. I invested the money I made from

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Speaker 1: my book in living in a giant house and going

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Speaker 1: to a rack three times, two great investments called living

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Speaker 1: your best life. So if you want to buy my

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Speaker 1: book of real estate secrets, it's investing with Robert four thousand.

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Speaker 1: And I promise you less than of what is in

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Speaker 1: the book is illegal in your state. Oh, not valid

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Speaker 1: in Arizona, New York, New Mexico, New Jersey, Wrote Island, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: and the rest of the Eastern seaboard. The rest of

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Speaker 1: the Eastern Seaboard, also Atlanta, also Louisiana. Just Atlanta, the

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Speaker 1: city of Atlanta, rest of Georgia. You're fine, You're fine,

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Speaker 1: all right. This has been behind the bastards. I've been

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Speaker 1: Robert Evans hugged cat h