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Speaker 2: On the podcast today, this is a very special one

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Speaker 2: in my opinion for me personally as well. We have

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Speaker 2: people of all backgrounds through the power of medical cannabis.

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Speaker 2: You guys, medicinal cannabis. You know what it is. Besides

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Speaker 2: me is my good buddy, my brother from another mother,

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Speaker 2: Brian Buckley, CEO of Helman Valley Growers Company. If you haven't,

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Speaker 2: just google Brian Buckley, CEO of Helman Valley and Cannabis

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Speaker 2: talk one on one. Listen to the first interview that

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Speaker 2: we had with Brian, because still, in my opinion, as

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Speaker 2: Chris Frankeno walked up here, I go, Chris, you and

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Speaker 2: I have this special love and respect for Brian because

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Speaker 2: when I first interviewed you, Brian, that was the most

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Speaker 2: rawess realist interview. After that you became badass in my

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Speaker 2: phone and still are badass in my phone. And it's

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Speaker 2: just your dedication to our country, your dedication to helping

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Speaker 2: veterans and people in general. It goes without saying I

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Speaker 2: salute you. I take my hat off to you. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for joining me today. Brothers Blues out here. It's

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Speaker 2: a privilege to have you next to us.

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Speaker 3: Always great to be here. It's been a hot minute,

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Speaker 3: but I am fired up about what we got going

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Speaker 3: on today and talking to mister Alburn.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm excited to joining us via Zoom is a

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Speaker 2: US Navy veteran. You guys are both Navy.

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Speaker 3: No, you're Marines now, I'm on the Men's Department of

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Speaker 2: Oh, Al, is he starting this shit already with you? Al?

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Speaker 2: I cannot believe.

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Speaker 4: If he's gonna shot that kind of crap. I'm ready

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Speaker 4: you and he knows it. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me give this man the introduction that he

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Speaker 2: for Medical Cannabis Access al Berne is here. Al is

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Speaker 2: a graduate of Notre Dame with a degree in economics,

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Speaker 2: But he is married, has two children. He's a family man.

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Speaker 2: His Navy career span twenty four years with duty on

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Speaker 2: The son of a cancer patient. Actually, he saw his

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Speaker 2: It was published in twenty twenty three. Beautiful picture of

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Speaker 2: I have Brian Buckley and Al Burns and the building.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Al for joining us. You deserve

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Speaker 2: Once again, like I saluted Brian to Al, I salute

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Speaker 4: You're welcome. Well, the title of the book kind of

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Speaker 4: The politics of it are very informative. I think where

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Speaker 4: I tell stories, That's what I do. When did the

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Speaker 4: of months after she started smoking the cannabis, which was

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Speaker 4: in a beautiful little town called storm Lake Isle, and

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Speaker 4: she was in a wheelchair. If she moved it all

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Speaker 4: out of that wheelchair, she was using a cane. She

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Speaker 4: was in a considerable pain. I spent the weekend there

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Speaker 4: at her home. She was very gracious and I left.

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Speaker 4: I came back about a year later. Just just about

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Speaker 4: a year later, she met me standing at the front door.

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Speaker 4: Parked in the yard was a rather large r V.

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Speaker 4: Now keep in mind MS patients also have a problem

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Speaker 4: with going blind. Got this r V parked in the

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Speaker 4: yard and says, I want I want to show you something.

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Speaker 4: Now when you get in the r V place. I

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Speaker 4: got in the i V, she started it up, we

447
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Speaker 4: took off. She drove down the road, turned the thing around,

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Speaker 4: came back, parked it in the yard, and walked back

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Speaker 4: into her house with no assistance at it when I

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Speaker 4: left that weekend, instead of her sitting in a wheelchair.

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Speaker 4: A year later, again to show me, show me something.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Barbara, she said goodbye to me by leaving

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Speaker 4: her backyard on Stone Lake on a jet skate. This

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Speaker 4: is a woman of the year before that couldn't couldn't

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Speaker 4: get out of a wheelchair. And again that's that's nerve

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Speaker 4: protection and it actually has that. What doctor Mitchueleman informed

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Speaker 4: me was that when when you got am asked, the

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Speaker 4: sheet around your nerve deteriorates, and by using cannabis that

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Speaker 4: she actually regenerates. Pat protects the nerving and you're not

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Speaker 4: good to go, but you're a hell of a.

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Speaker 2: Lot better off and at least you can get up

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Speaker 2: and walk. I mean, for goodness sakes out, your stories

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Speaker 2: are just tremendous. We're gonna take a break real quick,

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Speaker 2: come right back, and I want to get your opinion

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Speaker 2: on the current situation with the VA and inequality. We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about that with al Byrne. Of course,

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Speaker 2: sitting right next to me is Brian Buffley. It's Cannabis

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Speaker 2: Brian Buckley next to me, US marine veteran, former Marine

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Speaker 2: and Al Burn is joining us via zoom, US Navy

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Speaker 2: veteran and co founder of Veterans for Medical Cannabis Access

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Speaker 2: available now, go get yourself a copy. Just during the break,

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Speaker 2: our very own special Shaggy was over there saying, I

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Speaker 2: need to give me a copy of that book. Isn't

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Speaker 2: that the truth over there?

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Speaker 4: Connor?

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Speaker 2: It's one of those things you just hear and you

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Speaker 2: want to read these stories now even more in depth.

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Speaker 6: No one, no one's really you know, getting this perspective,

493
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Speaker 6: and it seems like it's getting pretty censored and suppressed

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Speaker 6: and certain aspects of our society. So like like I'm like,

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Speaker 6: I want to tell my mom this, I want to

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Speaker 6: tell my dad this.

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Speaker 3: My sister, my sister works in DC.

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Speaker 2: So like when hook your sister up with Brian, not

499
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Speaker 2: to hook up like that, but to hook up, and

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, His sister is over there

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Speaker 2: lobbying and you're like doing some big things over there.

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Speaker 3: For Oh, I think that's great. I'd love to talk

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Speaker 3: to her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I think Brian would be actually a

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Speaker 2: great look for She would probably look at Brian like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm the villa of the background and everything else. No. Absolutely, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's a good idea. But it's true because we're sitting

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Speaker 2: here going wow, that was a long first break. But Al,

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00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: you're so interesting everything you say, and I can go

510
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Speaker 2: a story for story with everything and keep listening. But

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Speaker 2: I want to switch directions a little bit and ask you,

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Speaker 2: you know, with the current situation with the VA and

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Speaker 2: the inequality, because we hear so many stories from different

514
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Speaker 2: you know, military veterans that come in here, including Brian Buckley,

515
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Speaker 2: and when we sit down and talk or we bullshit

516
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Speaker 2: on the phone about it, it's just never a good conversation.

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Speaker 3: No, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's never like, oh, guess what what? The VA got

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Speaker 2: their shit together now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, And I will say in the VA's defense,

521
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Speaker 3: there are some really good people in there who want

522
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Speaker 3: to do right by veterans, but again, policies are suppressing them.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they are a federal agency, but we literally

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Speaker 3: have two doctors on the uc or vine research team

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Speaker 3: that we have that left the VA because a couple

526
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Speaker 3: of their veterans committed suicide. And they're like, we all say,

527
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Speaker 3: behind closed doors, we know cannabis can work, but now

528
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Speaker 3: we just need to prove it with American doctors. But

529
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Speaker 3: that's why they jumped onto that research because they really

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Speaker 3: believe it. But again, we know it works, It's been

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Speaker 3: proven throughout the world it works. Yet we keep suppressing

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Speaker 3: it and.

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Speaker 2: We can't use it with our own military veterans that

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Speaker 2: served for our countries and that went out there and

535
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Speaker 2: did unimaginable things, right that are just like you know,

536
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Speaker 2: I've heard stories from you from other guys that are

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Speaker 2: just literally wiping out just doing your job to keep

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Speaker 2: us safe here in this country. Oh yeah, it's part

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Speaker 2: of war that you don't act like, you don't want

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Speaker 2: to talk about. No, what happens. People die, Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: people get killed, and it's part of what war is.

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Speaker 2: Al you've been through it, Brian, you've been through it.

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Speaker 2: And then when you go through that, there's.

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Speaker 3: PTSD absoulutely and if you look at Al's generation, something

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Speaker 3: we didn't have to deal with. They were drafted a

546
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Speaker 3: lot of them. They didn't want to go, they had

547
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Speaker 3: to go, and then they come back and they're all suddenly,

548
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Speaker 3: you know, leopards in our society where people are calling

549
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Speaker 3: them baby killers and all this crazy stuff. So not

550
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Speaker 3: only did it deal with what they had to do

551
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Speaker 3: in that jungle, but then they come back and have

552
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Speaker 3: to deal with that. So you want to talk about

553
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Speaker 3: like two X in your PTS with all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: And then not only that Al's time with even the

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Speaker 2: dealing with the Vietnam and that was even more of

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Speaker 2: a serious era of like the people attacking, you didn't

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Speaker 2: know when they were coming, when they weren't coming. I

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Speaker 2: feel like the other wars were more like World War Two.

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Speaker 2: Even going for the Back you went out, you came

560
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Speaker 2: back in, you went out, you came back in. Vietnam

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Speaker 2: was like the start of the craziest PTSD because you

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Speaker 2: never really knew what was going to happen at any point.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a great point. I was actually thinking

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Speaker 3: about this while reading Al's book, and you look at

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Speaker 3: it like generations of warfares and what they had to

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Speaker 3: go through. So there's probably like the Marine Raiders were

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Speaker 3: the first special Operations Group that started back on World

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Speaker 3: War Two in the Pacific to do to island hopping campaign,

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Speaker 3: and there might be, god, there might be ten of

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Speaker 3: them left. I mean we bring them out to raider

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Speaker 3: events every year and they're great guys. And we had

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Speaker 3: this seventy fifth anniversary Iguadacanal and we had a two

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Speaker 3: star general speak as a guest of honor, and they

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Speaker 3: were just out there for the anniversary of Guada Canal,

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Speaker 3: like seventy five years and he picked up sand and

577
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Speaker 3: put it in vials to bring back to the raiders

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Speaker 3: who served on Guadaca doown gives them to him, and

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Speaker 3: the old raiders are talking this great stories and you know,

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Speaker 3: they're amazing guys. They want to hear our stories. And

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Speaker 3: we're like, dude, let's hear what you did. And they

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Speaker 3: kept talking about this hill that they kept slipping down,

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Speaker 3: and we're all like, why were you slipping down this hill?

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Speaker 3: I mean, they just kept bringing this up. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: all the blood, we just couldn't keep our footing. We

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Speaker 3: just kept slipping. And we're all looking at each other like, dude,

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Speaker 3: we've been in some like hard fights. I never slipped

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Speaker 3: down the hill. Cubs, all the blood everywhere, and it

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Speaker 3: just seems like each generation of warfare are gonna say

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Speaker 3: it's a weird way of sayings, might be a little

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Speaker 3: bit cleaner of a war, like more surgical, where you know,

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Speaker 3: World War One they're jumping in trenches at each other,

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Speaker 3: and World War Two it's up close and very personal

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Speaker 3: at times. Vietnam same thing. You know, you have the

595
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Speaker 3: IEDs being introduced, some booby traps and you're actually, you know,

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Speaker 3: I always say to Vietnam guys, I don't think they

597
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Speaker 3: understood the war they were fighting in the counterinsurgency where

598
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Speaker 3: we were looking at General west Moreland. Take land, kill people.

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Speaker 3: That's how you win a war. Well, not when you're

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Speaker 3: fighting kind of terrorist organizations if you want to call

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Speaker 3: it that. It's about a war of ideas, a war

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Speaker 3: of people, human terrain. So I think we're a little

603
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Speaker 3: bit behind the curve there. And then as each war

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Speaker 3: kind of progresses, we get more high tech equipment and

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Speaker 3: we can do things a little bit more exact.

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Speaker 2: Drones now we have a tag.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean now's situation and definitely being a

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Speaker 3: Navy CB, I guarantee this guy was building like a

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Speaker 3: hut under fire.

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Speaker 2: What is a CBE by the way out, It's an abbreviation.

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Speaker 4: It stands for Construction Battalion c B. So the icon

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Speaker 4: of the Navy construction battalions is a bumblebee. And in

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Speaker 4: the hands of the bee, if you will, there's an

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Speaker 4: oil can, and there's a wrench, and there's a machine gun.

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Speaker 4: The cebes are mobile naval Mobile Construction Battalion CBS work

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Speaker 4: all over the world. Their second job is that of

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Speaker 4: light infantry. Just like Brian says, most of the construction

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Speaker 4: they do is in the middle of a bad day,

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Speaker 4: but they just go out there and they do it

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Speaker 4: anyway because that's the job. I worked with them for

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Speaker 4: three years as an officer, and I was impressed with it.

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Speaker 4: We had the battalions carried about nine hundred men. A

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Speaker 4: couple of times we had as many as twelve to

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Speaker 4: fourteen hundred with us, and I was impressed by every

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Speaker 4: one of them. Their leadership, their middle grade petty officers

626
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Speaker 4: and the chief petty officers were to a man, exceptional.

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Speaker 4: But they paid a hell of a price. By the

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Speaker 4: second year I was in the CBS, and we had

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Speaker 4: been deployed twice, once to the Caribbean. And the second time,

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Speaker 4: we were sitting out the middle of the Indian Ocean

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Speaker 4: on an island called the Garcia's right on the equator,

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Speaker 4: and there were fourteen hundred men on the island, men,

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Speaker 4: no women, No women allowed on the island. But by

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Speaker 4: that the end of that tour, again no women on

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Speaker 4: the island. The married men in that battalion, including me,

636
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Speaker 4: had a eighty three percent of horse ray. I can

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00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 4: guarantee you these men were not fooling around. They were anything,

638
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 4: but they were working hard at a dangerous job and

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00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 4: a hard place. I'll tell you a story though. I

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00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 4: lived in a what we call like a Vietnam heart.

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Speaker 4: It's just a flywood shock, really, and four feet up

642
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: is flywood, and then you got some screen, and then

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Speaker 4: you got a tin roof and a fan. We had electricity,

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Speaker 4: so me and my roommate. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: the day started at four point thirty in the morning.

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Speaker 4: The end of the day was six o'clock eighteen hundred.

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Speaker 4: Eighteen hundred was sitting in our bunk, drinking beer and

648
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 4: polishing our brass in our boots for the next day

649
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 4: to go back to work. At four o'clock and my

650
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 4: roommate looks at me and he says, heyah, I smell

651
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 4: a woman. And I had, oh, Red, you've lost it, man.

652
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 4: I know we've been out here a long time. There's

653
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 4: just you know, you know, there's no women here. Red.

654
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 4: And he looked at me again and he says, yeah,

655
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 4: I smell a woman. I said, yeah, okay. So he

656
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: got up and he went to the little screen door

657
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: we had. He looked out on the little dusty path

658
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 4: that was front in front of our door, which went

659
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 4: to the Officers Club. I mean, this is Sebee's. When

660
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 4: they pull into someplace, they do two things right away.

661
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 4: They build the Enlisted Man's Club and the Officers Club.

662
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 4: They have their own and they stuck it very well.

663
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 4: So yep, walking down this little dead path on the

664
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: way to the Officers Club was a female Air Force major.

665
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 4: She was going down the Oak Club and get a

666
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 4: drink and yeah brought in. She was the command pilot

667
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 4: for the once a week starlifted that we got from

668
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 4: the Philippines that brought in our male and our food

669
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 4: and people. And uh so uh she, as far as

670
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 4: I know, was the first female to inhabit Diego Garcia

671
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 4: in the in the seventies, a shod story military. But

672
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 4: he smelled that woman.

673
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

674
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yards away.

675
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 3: Was everyone looking their best trying to clean and clean

676
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: the dust off. Well, I was laughing like when you're

677
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 3: saying that, because we uh, you know, you got female pilots, right,

678
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: So we were in the middle of Afghanistan and we

679
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: have our jtach and that's the guy who controls the aircraft,

680
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: and they'll check in, you know, they'll be like, oh,

681
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: you know dagger two three. You know, we got blah

682
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah bah whatever on their aircraft. And

683
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: next you know, we just had a female like F

684
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: fifteen pilot check in and she's like, hey, how you

685
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: doing this? Is magenta this and that? And I literally

686
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: saw the J tack like pop up his shirt. It's like, hello,

687
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: hell are you doing it? I'm like, dude, not get

688
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: like he was like flirting with the girl, Like just

689
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: keep it professionally, do like iven talk to a girl

690
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: like months? You know, it was. It was pretty crazy.

691
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 3: So I'm sure al was probably everyone was wearing their

692
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 3: navy best out there.

693
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you had it changed tremendously? Right,

694
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: because now women are fully active duty compared to when

695
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: I was in there, right, I mean and with you

696
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 2: as there in.

697
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: More combat arms. Uh, when women were never allowed in

698
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 3: that kind of transition while I was in, was it.

699
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 2: Like the beginning when you were in when you were

700
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: you were at the beginning of Iraq?

701
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, and we were you know, probably women didn't

702
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 3: get into the infantry in the Marine Corps until after

703
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 3: I left. They kept trying, and they kept trying. Basically

704
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 3: the Marine Corps like we're only going to let the

705
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: first female in the infantry is going to be an officer.

706
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: They're like, it's not gonna be enlisted. And what kept

707
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: reports out of Quantico kept coming out was with the

708
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: rock marches, women are just built different than men. It's

709
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: just what we've had to do through history. It was

710
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: the load bearing weight was messing up their hips. It

711
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: couldn't sustain like we could for the body that machine guns,

712
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 3: and those were like women who wanted to do this.

713
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: I mean you're talking about like, I'm sure there's women

714
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: that were crowded, like let's go triathletes out of like

715
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: naval cat I mean, they were spuds. They would crush

716
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: us some physical pete and stuff, but it was just

717
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: a weight would get them. But a couple made it.

718
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: We had a couple make marine reconnaissance that was straight

719
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 3: up legit. It's a good thing. I think the one

720
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 3: thing the Marine Corps is doing right that gets a

721
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: lot of pushback and just kind of what everyone called

722
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: the woke world that we're living in. And it was

723
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: actually a couple of female congress women who saved the

724
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: Marine Corps. The Marine Corps will will not allow women

725
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: and men to be in the same platoon during boot camp. Uh,

726
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: they're like, listen, you put boys and girls together, they're

727
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: gonna do boys and girl things like we're here to

728
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: build marines. And I agree with that. The Army's done it,

729
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,959
Speaker 3: the Navy's done it. Now you're dealing with a whole

730
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 3: set of issues of maybe recruits are hooking up or

731
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: whatever and just dramas it happens. We're not here for

732
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: this ship. We're here to build you into a warrior

733
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: once you get out of here. Whatever's gonna happen is

734
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: gonna happen.

735
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: Our tax dollars needs to build soldiers, not fucking relationship.

736
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 3: On hundred percent. But yeah, but from als time, my time, Yeah,

737
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 3: it's totally changed.

738
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: And what about today twenty twenty three? Are there women

739
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: that will go to anywhere if there's a problem now

740
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: as a frontman, like you know, with guns and shooting

741
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: and leading the pack like.

742
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 3: That, I just always say there's a time and place

743
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: for everyone. Women I think can do excellent work in

744
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: certain three letter agency. Let's put it out that way

745
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 3: that men can't do.

746
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: Next cia Oh, I mean just.

747
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: Like I can't go into a bar and find, like,

748
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, a drunk Russian and start talking to

749
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: him and he says, start giving international secrets. Well, maybe

750
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: a woman who might look good goes up there and

751
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 3: is talking to the guy, and the guy might start

752
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: spilling some beans because he's trying to show off this guy.

753
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: And that's literally what we have to right.

754
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not, I'm just saying, but I mean there's

755
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: a time and place. I mean, we had a thing

756
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: where they're like, we need to get women in special operations.

757
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 3: I asked the question, why are we running out men?

758
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: They're like, well no, and I'm like, so what are

759
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: we doing? They're like, well, we might need to put

760
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: a ladder in front of a wall or distance, like

761
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: you can't degrade the selection process, Like, I don't care

762
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: if you had if I as a giraft. If you

763
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 3: can do it, you're in. If you can't, you're out.

764
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: And a lot of guys.

765
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: Agree, it doesn't matter what color you are, what species.

766
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: You better be able to pick my ass up and

767
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: take me off the battlefield.

768
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: And if you can't do that, then that's.

769
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: It's not for you. And that's where I think they

770
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: kept a standard and they've had people try and it

771
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: just hasn't worked out.

772
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: Oh, the women couldn't follow the protocol of couldn't I mean,

773
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: could a woman say I want to be a marine raid.

774
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: We've had a couple of tried out. I do not

775
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: think any of made it. I know they kind of

776
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: got wiped out pretty early. So when I heard I'm

777
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: gonna be very candid here, you had a couple of

778
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: women make army rangers fifteen years ago or something, and

779
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: there was a lot of controversy. It was coming out

780
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: that they were kind of pushed through. And then when

781
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: people ask, hey, we want to do an investigation, we

782
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 3: want to see their training jackets, their training jackets mysteriously disappeared.

783
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: So when I heard a couple of women made marine reconnaissance.

784
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, here we go again. But we talked

785
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 3: to the cadre members. They're like, straight up, they did

786
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 3: everything we wanted them to do their recon Great, you

787
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 3: made it. We've had some women try out for raiders,

788
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 3: just they haven't made it through. But then again that's

789
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: on a knock on the womanhood.

790
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: Is there a woman Navy seal?

791
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 3: I don't think so I do nothing. I don't think

792
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: there's any women in special ops. I might not be right,

793
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: but again.

794
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 4: The Navy has not allowed that the units I do.

795
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the movies has it right.

796
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: It was so legit, I mean totally.

797
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: But and then the things that you point out like

798
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: that though, Brian, like, I didn't really think of it

799
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: that way. But it doesn't matter if these are the requirements,

800
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: and you can pass the requirements, and one of them

801
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: is carrying a two hundred and fifty pounds man because

802
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: with backpack on and this and that, maybe it's two

803
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: sixty five or two eighty five, whatever it is. And

804
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: if you can't drag that fifty yards, well then you

805
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: can't go out there with us because you can't save

806
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: us if we need you to save us and everybody

807
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 2: who goes out there with me. We're gonna go kill

808
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: everybody we run into. And if we get shot and

809
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: we're down, I need you to be able to pick

810
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: me up or pick the guy next to you up

811
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: and take.

812
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 4: His ass back.

813
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: That's it.

814
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a fair game to me as far

815
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: as like, hey, what are the requirements.

816
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: These are the records, requirements. You make it. I don't

817
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: care how you identify. You make it. You're in. If

818
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: you don't, you're out.

819
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: I actually like that when you say it that way,

820
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: because I didn't think of it that way. I don't

821
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: know what I was thinking, but I mean, as long

822
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: as you pass the qualifications, and they don't need to

823
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: make them special.

824
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 4: No.

825
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: I mean, if there's a woman, and I'm sure there's

826
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: plenty of women that actually want to do it too,

827
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: which is better, worse, creative? Funny? I don't know, it's

828
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: not funny, it's just awesome. I mean you look at

829
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: these women fighters nowadays, you know, in the UFC, and

830
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: you go, wow, I never knew women could fight like that.

831
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: I love watching the women fights. I'm watching WNBA Championship

832
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, Like I love watching women play

833
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 2: sport like that. I love women, and then I think, going,

834
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with a women's soldier like that, but

835
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: can they compete at the level that is the standard level,

836
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: not the men level, the standard level, period, and that's

837
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: what it needs to be. I like that. That was

838
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 2: a great answer our current situation with the VA and equality.

839
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: How is it going for people out there? What are

840
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: you your thoughts as a US Navy veteran and of

841
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: course the co founder of Veterans for Medical Cannabis Access,

842
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: how is the VA doing.

843
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 4: Well? You know, the current status is thirteen years old.

844
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: Con changed in thirteen years? Is that what you're saying?

845
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: Yeah? And of course the status sucks because what has

846
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 4: occurred is both good and bad. I address this a

847
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 4: lot in my book, but my partner in crime here

848
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 4: is Air Force veteran Mike Krabbits. You guys might be

849
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 4: interested in. Yeah. Anyway, what we formed together the Veterans

850
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: for Medical Cannabis Access, and we did that in two

851
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 4: thousand and seven, and our mission was to allow the

852
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 4: VHA to use cannabis. Guys that go to the VHA

853
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 4: can use cannabis medically. That was our mission and it

854
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 4: was accomplished in July or twenty ten, three years. It

855
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 4: took us, but hey, it was great, and Mike and

856
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 4: I were elated. We still are at some degree on

857
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 4: one side of one side of my side says this

858
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 4: is good, man, because tens of thousands of vets overnight

859
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 4: could use cannabis. Great. On the other hand, tens of

860
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 4: thousands of vets on the same night couldn't use cannabis.

861
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 4: So I call this VHA policy medical treatment by geography.

862
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 4: And what that means is what it implies, is it

863
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: depends where the veteran lives. The veteran lives in what

864
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 4: is considered a legal state or territory of the United States.

865
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 4: Legal meaning cannabis is authorized medically or recreationally or both,

866
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 4: then the VET that lives in that state or territory

867
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: can go to the VHA say, hey, doc, I use

868
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 4: cannabis for pain and it's helping me in the dark,

869
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 4: sess coll Man. They write it down and life goes on. However,

870
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 4: if the VET lives in a state where it is

871
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 4: not quote legal, say Kansas, the vet, the vet goes

872
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 4: to the A and says, hey, doc, I used cannabis

873
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 4: Japan and he says listen, man, I can't even talk

874
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 4: to you. You have to leave the grounds and you

875
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 4: have to come back here when you're clean. At Canon

876
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 4: medical treatment by geography you can have that.

877
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just it's just terrible.

878
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: It really is. And we have a gentleman that you know,

879
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: pops in on some of our Veteran Action Council calls

880
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 3: a gentleman from Wisconsin and law abiding citizen. He's dealing

881
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: with some demons. Cannabis. Seems like it would be a

882
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 3: really good thing for him to take, and he won't

883
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: because it's illegal in Wisconsin. So again you have veterans

884
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 3: you know, who could benefit them, yet they can't touch

885
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 3: it because of what al said. You know, medication by

886
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 3: geography basically.

887
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: Would they use the you know, the cb g's in

888
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: the case and they use the other you know, uh,

889
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: what is the d H you know the delta.

890
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 3: That's yeah, I mean those are cut out of the

891
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 3: farm bill, so they can use that stuff for sure?

892
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 3: Is as effective? I don't know, I mean we kind

893
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: of go back again, like.

894
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 2: I used the real stuff.

895
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 3: I don't know, and then like we have the research

896
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 3: that the real stuff works, So I don't know, what

897
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 3: the det doing and.

898
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 4: The real the real stuff for your audience, just what

899
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 4: I call whole plant cannabis, not individual compounds like Delta nine,

900
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 4: but the whole plan. And doctor michieldam to go back

901
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 4: to him. He labeled the use the use of the

902
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 4: whole plan as opposed to these individual compounds. He called

903
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 4: it the entourage effect. In other words, that the sum

904
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 4: was greater than all the parts. If you will, that'll

905
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 4: say it entourage effect. I want to go back. If

906
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 4: I can't, guys, just for a minute, I made a

907
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: couple of notes. You guys blew buy some stuff. Uh.

908
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 4: Brian mentioned research. Hear that all the time, research research,

909
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 4: not enough research, bullshit. Cannabis is the most research plant

910
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 4: in the world, in the world most research plant. The

911
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 4: key word here is world. Now the United States has

912
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 4: another key word that its state department and its whole

913
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 4: attitude uses all the time, and it's called hubris. Hubris

914
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 4: That means that the United States fields its professional class

915
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 4: feels that if the work is not done by US

916
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 4: scientists in the US, it's worthless, which of course is

917
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 4: intellectually absurd. Right now, you have about forty countries four

918
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 4: zero countries in the United States. In the world that

919
00:48:53,239 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 4: has medical cannabis in its is a country's pharmacopeia forty

920
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 4: of the fourth And then they say, well, drug companies

921
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 4: are against this. I don't know. The fourth largest drunk

922
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 4: company in the world is Mirk, and Mirk distributors cannabis

923
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 4: in those forty countries. Wow, so they're making money, they're

924
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 4: helping out. That's just the thing on the research it

925
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 4: is there, So that argument is completely fantasy. The other

926
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: thing I want to point out, I don't mention this

927
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 4: in my bio much, but I spent five years as

928
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 4: a peer counselor for combat veterans, almost all of them Vietnam,

929
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 4: a few from South America, Central America. Almost all were men.

930
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 4: We did have a fair percentage of women, maybe five

931
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 4: to eight percent. They were all nurses, most of them

932
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 4: Army nurses, some Navy. So as a counselor, of course,

933
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 4: we talked us the other councilors that all confer. Well,

934
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 4: here's what we find out that some forty to six

935
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 4: percent of our clients who were in to talk about

936
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 4: their trauma experiences in their military had prior trauma experiences

937
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 4: before They've been gotting the military they had somehow been

938
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 4: trauma talls tick away. It happened to him. So when

939
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 4: they got into the into the service and they get

940
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 4: in some goddamn mesh uh, this is just a reinforcement

941
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 4: of trauma they already had, which they were having Tubo

942
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 4: dealing with. Anyway, Now they got another problem, and so

943
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 4: and and then the other problem for US is Vietnam veterans.

944
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 4: Of course, nobody believed us. Nobody believed us about anything.

945
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 4: You know, they didn't believe we were in a war

946
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 4: that didn't believe Come.

947
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: On, yeah, they can only imagine and killers anyways, there

948
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 2: you go, baby killers, yeah, yeah.

949
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, baby killers. But but the problem was we said,

950
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 4: we said to the docs, which this stuff helps me,

951
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 4: and and they and they didn't. So these that whole generation,

952
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 4: my guys have gone forty years without treatment. We're traumatized already,

953
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 4: they get retraumatized and then they're not treated.

954
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I think most people in general, right, And

955
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: I mean I say this because of my AA program

956
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: of dealing with life, being sober twenty five years, working

957
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: with you know, men and sponsoring this like you said,

958
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: you did that for five years. I've been sponsoring men

959
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: for twenty some years, and I look at everybody who

960
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: has an addiction issue, and it's usually because of trauma. Absolutely,

961
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, somer early medication, right, I

962
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: mean exactly, so you know, and you look at the

963
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: Freudian theory, all trauma stems from childhood issues. And whatever

964
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 2: their issue is is their issue, from daddy issue, mommy issue,

965
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: big brother issue, little sister, whatever it is, Uncle Larry

966
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: touching you. I mean, shit happens to everyone, and life

967
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 2: just keeps treating people like that. And then of course

968
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people I had it so fucked up.

969
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go to the military because they'll

970
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: loved me there. So I can totally see how what

971
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: you're saying there, which makes it even more of a

972
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize that. But normal people who don't

973
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 2: go to the military have tons of fucking problems. I mean,

974
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: everyone could use therapy, for God's sakes. But then you

975
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: add the problems that you have anecdotally with forty to

976
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: sixty percent of your clients that you guys have all

977
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: mingled with have had previous issues. I mean, look at

978
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: the kid that says, you know what their parent were

979
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: Army vet Navy vet, whatever it is. I just want

980
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: to serve my country. May not have those traumas ye

981
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 2: as a child, but now does oh for sure. I

982
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: mean it's just a dice roll no matter what. Well,

983
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 2: and that's why geted so much issues.

984
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: You know, I think poshmag stress, not like pegople on

985
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: the military would have monopolize it. But I think a

986
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: lot of people associate poshmac stress with the military, and

987
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 3: it's like it's not a military issue, it's a human

988
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 3: condition exactly. Anyone can suffer from this. And again you're

989
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 3: seeing a viable option like cannabis. I'm sure al doos too.

990
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 3: I got some veteran friends who are doing great with

991
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: psychedelics and they're not touching the alcohol anymore, and they're

992
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 3: living in more fulfilled life, a better family life, better

993
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: professional life. So it gets again very frustrating when you

994
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 3: have the VA or NIDA or DEA or whomever it is.

995
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: They're not like turning every rock possible to see what

996
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: can help our men and women who raised their right

997
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: hands and said I'll go fight for our country. Why

998
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: we're not paying that back to him on the back

999
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: end is beyond me. But this is why you got

1000
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 3: veterans like myself and now and the other members of

1001
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: Veteran Nation Council say fuck it, We'll go do it

1002
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 3: ourselves and get this stock.

1003
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: And you guys are pushing hard. We're gonna take a

1004
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: break real quick. We're gonna come back Alburn and of

1005
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: course Brian Buckley here serving our military and helping so

1006
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: many people out. When we come back, I want to

1007
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,479
Speaker 2: talk about suicide and the homeless vets that are out there.

1008
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 2: What can people do to help? What are your guys' thoughts.

1009
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: I want you guys to give people the thought of

1010
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 2: this is what we can do for them, because you know,

1011
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: you meet so many people us being even where we're

1012
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: at in Orange County, you can see the home lists

1013
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: around here, so many our veterans. What are some tools

1014
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: that we can be as civilians to help these people?

1015
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: Give us some educated guesses of what we can do

1016
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: better to help The Society's Cannabis talk one on one.

1017
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Speaker 2: Brian Buckley Al Burns over here. Of course, Al the

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00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 2: Navy veteran has his brand new book that's out that

1040
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: we started the whole conversation with which for country and

1041
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 2: cannabis take a look at that. But as we've talked

1042
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: about so many great things. You know, I want to

1043
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: be educated. And first of all your guys' thoughts on

1044
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: the suicide and homeless for vets, how it's just so massive, right,

1045
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 2: it's not a joke. I remember even sponsoring a guy

1046
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: in AA that was a military VET and he served

1047
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: in Vietnam. As an older guy. I'll never forget being

1048
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: at the Marina clubhouse and I spoke and then afterwards,

1049
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: because I talked to you outside, old dude, I was like,

1050
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: oh shit, what does this old man want for me?

1051
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 4: Right?

1052
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: And we're talking to would you saw me? I was

1053
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 2: like wow? And he was He was a VET from

1054
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: Vietnam and after he's serve and he was living in

1055
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: the the wetlands right there Marina del Rey, right, So

1056
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 2: who was homeless? And uh, and you know it was

1057
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: an honor to sponsor this man and to work with

1058
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: this man. But after one year of sobriety that he celebrated,

1059
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: he went and thought he had one more running him

1060
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: and he went into a hotel room and ended up

1061
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: killing himself. And uh, you know, he started using again.

1062
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: Until this day, I'll never forget him because on my

1063
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 2: whatever year it was birthday, he bought me a chip,

1064
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: and I was like, you don't buy me a chip.

1065
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 2: You're homeless.

1066
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 4: Dog.

1067
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 2: I don't need you to buy me a fucking gift. Dog,

1068
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? But oh, I still have

1069
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 2: that in my jewelry box at home from him as

1070
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 2: one of those like you know, I can't believe this

1071
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: man bought me this as he served our country and

1072
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 2: went through so much, and the things that I heard

1073
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: from him, Uh, that was you know, one man that

1074
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: I that I tried to help out. And you know,

1075
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: my question to you guys is you know he killed himself.

1076
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 2: I have are experience with a veteran that I was

1077
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: literally reading, praying, holding hands with, trying to guide him

1078
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: through his demons, and you know, it wasn't enough, and

1079
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: he took his own life. You know, there's so many

1080
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: others out there that are doing that. What can we

1081
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: do as civilians? What can we do People that are

1082
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 2: listening that are going, wow, we know the rates high,

1083
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: The numbers don't lie. It's it's not a thing. And

1084
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: I'm not sitting here trying to get the numbers. I'm

1085
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: sure you guys have them in your heads. But what

1086
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: can we do as individuals here? Even in this office, like,

1087
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,959
Speaker 2: how can we support how can we help these people out?

1088
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, aw, what what are your thoughts? I mean,

1089
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 3: you know, not to You've got more experience in this

1090
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 3: and been through a lot more than what I've been through.

1091
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: But I'm seeing a lot more suicide, That's what I'm saying.

1092
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: I've been around since Vietnam and Keys.

1093
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 3: I think even two al might be interesting. You know,

1094
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: you saw an uptick in Vietnam veteran suicide rates when

1095
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: they retired. You know, I was reading things about how

1096
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: maybe they suppress things because they're busy with work, but

1097
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 3: once they retired and they kind of had an idle mind,

1098
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 3: those demons kind of came back at him. What are

1099
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 3: your thoughts on that?

1100
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 4: Yeah? I agree with your assessment there, Brian. I'll tell

1101
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 4: you a story. When I was a COUNSELAW the counciling

1102
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 4: agency that I worked for, which was in charliston Ave

1103
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 4: was hired by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and me

1104
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 4: and another councilor were sent to the FBI headquarters in

1105
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 4: DC to work on magic on FBI agents. And here's

1106
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 4: why we were there. A lot of FBI agents ex

1107
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 4: military I mean a lot. It's a huge percentage. It

1108
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 4: makes sense. These guys are patriots, they know how to

1109
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 4: use weapons, they've been in tough situations, they think, well, etc. Fright,

1110
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 4: So they went to work for the FBI. They got

1111
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 4: the military, went to work for the FBI cardagon, and

1112
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 4: they did well, and then at the end of their time,

1113
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 4: retirement came out. They retired, and within two years they

1114
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 4: were shooting themselves, killing themselves dozens, and so they hired

1115
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 4: us to find out why. Well, you know, it's sort

1116
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 4: of the same answer that when you get out of

1117
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 4: the military, you've been in a you've been in in

1118
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 4: an emotional place that you'll probably never get into again.

1119
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 4: Everybody that you're surrounded by is in the same spot

1120
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 4: that you are, and the only way you're going to

1121
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 4: get out of it, or get anything good out of

1122
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 4: it is to do it together and do it right,

1123
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 4: and then you get it. In the civilian world, and

1124
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 4: everybody else has a different agenda than you. Everybody's got

1125
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 4: a different agenda. If you're a civilian in the military,

1126
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 4: you don't have a different agenda. You have a mission

1127
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 4: and that's what you do. You do the mission, whatever

1128
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 4: your fucking personal agenda is doesn't really matter. Go see

1129
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 4: the trampelin. This is that you're I'll go do it,

1130
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 4: you know in the world, and it doesn't. So I

1131
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 4: think that the problem with the military is the same

1132
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 4: with these FBI agents. They left their community, they were

1133
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 4: not supported, they were not followed up. Now I had

1134
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 4: I had another client. This guy was interesting. He was

1135
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 4: He was a seaman and UH in Pearl Harbor when

1136
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 4: the Jets bomberok place in December seventh. He then served

1137
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 4: in Korea and then I served with him in Vietnam.

1138
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 4: He was in three wars UH and UH. Part of

1139
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 4: his time was as a CIA agent. There's a real

1140
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 4: big number of CIA agents who are actually active duty

1141
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 4: military personnel, usually officers or senior enlisted then and they

1142
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 4: just they still have their rank, they still get their

1143
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 4: still Marines or they're still in the Air Force, but

1144
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 4: they're in the they work for the CIA. This guy

1145
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 4: was one of them. And the CIA doesn't have the problem.

1146
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 4: The FBI did. And we pointed this out to the FBI.

1147
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 4: The CIA never lets an agent go. When when you

1148
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 4: leave the c I A you will you will be visited,

1149
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 4: uh not you know a lot, but you'll be visiting,

1150
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 4: there'll be an agent knock on your door and have

1151
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 4: to do the guy and say, hey, how you doing,

1152
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 4: Let's have a talk. And if that, if that interview

1153
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 4: it feels anything right, this guy's having trouble assimilating doing anything.

1154
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 4: Damn they're alone. Just well, yeah, it's it's a totally

1155
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 4: So the FBI, hopefully with our recommendation atop to the

1156
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 4: c I A agency. So that's a long story. It's

1157
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 4: a story. To answer your question, the answer is, you

1158
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 4: have to stay with these people. Just like you're talking shoe,

1159
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 4: you're a sponsor. What that means is you're hanging with

1160
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 4: this guy or this girl. You're going to help them

1161
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 4: when they're when they're down, and you do and ask

1162
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 4: what the vets need when they go down, and they will.

1163
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 4: You got to help them up. They can't do it alone.

1164
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 4: They can't. They need their brother their sisters, and they

1165
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 4: need the assistance of the civilian community and the understanding. Now,

1166
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 4: I'm very happy when in one sense, when I when

1167
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 4: I was in the military in the sixties and seventies,

1168
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 4: the military was considered dead end job, You're a loser.

1169
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 4: Now the military is rated number one. If you're a

1170
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 4: military veteran, I can do the military. You're respective, same

1171
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 4: with first responders e. Mts, firefighters, cops, nurses. These are

1172
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 4: the people that do the do the gun work, and

1173
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 4: that is now respected in our society. What we need

1174
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 4: to do now is take that respect and make it

1175
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 4: more active. We need to spend more money on veterans.

1176
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous that some of these homeless guys, some of

1177
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 4: these people that are going to commit suicide while we're

1178
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 4: on the show. What they need is they need somebody

1179
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 4: to be there with them. They need cannabis. Maybe maybe

1180
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 4: they're in in Wisconsin and they need cannabis to help,

1181
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 4: and then they know that they can they can't get it.

1182
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 4: So there's there has to be more of an awareness,

1183
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 4: there has to be more flexibility. There have to be

1184
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 4: more openness, and a hell a lot less name calling

1185
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 4: and just and that would help the situation. But suicide,

1186
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 4: you know, the VA keeps saying it's twenty two or there. Well,

1187
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 4: when they're right, that's still that's still freaking markable. I

1188
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 4: don't think that's I don't think that's true at all.

1189
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 4: Everybody that I've taught you that knows anything about this

1190
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 4: situation says the numbers got to be more like sixty

1191
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 4: or seventy of them. I know when I was counseling.

1192
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 4: I was a counselor. I started counseling in nineteen What

1193
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 4: the hell was that seventy nine or something like eighty.

1194
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 4: And by that time there had been more Vietnam vets

1195
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 4: committed suicide than died in the war. And that was

1196
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 4: back then, and now with Vietnam veterans. I don't know

1197
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 4: if you guys know this, but many of us left.

1198
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 4: By the statistics, there shouldn't be something on the order

1199
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 4: of one point seven million of us still left alive,

1200
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 4: but in fact, there's only about a half a million,

1201
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 4: maybe five hundred and fifty thousand of us left alive.

1202
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 4: Two reasons suicide and agent orange, so that the effect

1203
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 4: on individual generations is different. But the overall is these

1204
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 4: guys girls need help, and if that means they should

1205
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 4: be given a free house for until they get their

1206
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 4: shit together or whatever, then good. I work out of Tallahassee.

1207
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 4: I deliver food to a place called Veterans Village in Tallahassee, Florida.

1208
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 4: There's fifty four men and women out there. They're all homeless,

1209
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 4: but they were taken off the streets. They were given

1210
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 4: a ruling nice apartment. It's a complex, it's a compound.

1211
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 4: It's very nice. It's clean. Everybody's got their own bed,

1212
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 4: their own bathroom. There are a little apartment to live.

1213
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 4: Then they get fed and they get found a jaw

1214
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 4: and their turnover is really fast because these people that

1215
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 4: are helping these des really have their shift together. And Tallahassee,

1216
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 4: like a lot of the South, is very open to

1217
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 4: helping veterans. And those are the kinds of things I'd

1218
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 4: like to see duplicated motion wide.

1219
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,919
Speaker 2: We need to see that in every big metropolitan city

1220
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah in that area that you're oh, man,

1221
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: that's the first place of our country you're talking about there.

1222
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 3: But we'll move on. But you know, now those are

1223
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 3: some great points because you know, os Part Special Operations

1224
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 3: Command are known as SOCOM, and once a quarter at

1225
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 3: least I get a phone call from SOCOM Care Coalition

1226
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 3: where they're just like what AL said, They're like, Hey,

1227
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 3: what's going on? How are you? What's up? Could be

1228
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 3: a five minute talk, could be an hour long talk.

1229
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 3: They're just there to check in on us and what

1230
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 3: we actually instituted for all the raiders and seals and

1231
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 3: Green braves. We had a thing called third level Decompression.

1232
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 3: And this was started by a guy named Oh my god,

1233
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 3: Admiral mccraven, who is famous for known as the three

1234
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 3: star general who's in charge of Jaysak, who planned to

1235
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 3: have been loaden raid, you know, went well, he got

1236
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 3: his fourth star, he took over all so com but

1237
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 3: he was the saying, he's like, you know, we've got

1238
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 3: these great Americans going out and do amazing things, and

1239
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 3: by the time we're done with them, they're broken physically,

1240
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 3: maybe broken mentally, and they kind of limped through the

1241
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 3: rest of their life and suicide and things. We need

1242
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 3: to get ahead of this. And he did a study

1243
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 3: about when you went to war in you know, Europe

1244
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 3: during World War two, or even even Korea versus Vietnam,

1245
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: you know, to get over to Europe, it took about

1246
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 3: two weeks to get there on a boat to and from.

1247
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 3: So you might be coming back from theater and you

1248
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 3: and I just sit into chow hall and I'm kind

1249
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 3: of like, man, I saw something kind of crazy, and

1250
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 3: You're like, hey, I saw the same thing. Now I

1251
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 3: don't feel so isolate. You saw it too. We have

1252
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,919
Speaker 3: that conversation and it kind of builds from there. Fast

1253
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 3: forward to the Vietnam era. You know, they're in maybe

1254
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 3: a hallacious firefight, and seventy two hours later they're in

1255
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 3: a bed with a wife and a screaming kid they

1256
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 3: just met, and they're still trying to process what the

1257
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 3: heck just happened. And again, maybe they kind of push

1258
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 3: those demons down, but they weren't really taught how to

1259
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 3: treat or deal with them. She never get rid of them.

1260
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 3: You just got to live above them. And that was

1261
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 3: a great thing or doing in a socom world. By

1262
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 3: we come back from a deployment, we go to a

1263
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 3: resort for a week, the cops are read in. You

1264
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 3: had designated drivers, you got to meet with your physical therapists,

1265
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 3: you got to meet with a psych you got to

1266
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,479
Speaker 3: do everything, even to the point in our active duty

1267
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 3: units we had family therapists, psychologists, sports psychologists because they

1268
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 3: want to make sure. You know, sometimes I couldn't tell

1269
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 3: my wife everything that's going on. She might think I'm

1270
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 3: having an affair and it's messing up my family. Like, no,

1271
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 3: I got something going on, I can't talk to you

1272
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 3: about because you don't have clearance. So we talked through

1273
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 3: those issues. So I can go down range and be

1274
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 3: as volatile as I need to be and put overwhelming

1275
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 3: lethality down our enemy. Because I have a happy heart.

1276
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 3: Everything's cool back in the rear. Then when I come back,

1277
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 3: gives a little readjustment time. Then you get back with

1278
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 3: your family and you're good to go. And I'm just

1279
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 3: saying to the conventional military, why aren't you guys doing

1280
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 3: that for them, Because the amount of money you'll save

1281
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 3: on the back end from VA disability claims and all

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01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 3: the other pumps and bruises and the mental anguish that

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01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 3: we're going through, it would be you wann't have to

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01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 3: pay out all that money, and you're gonna have these

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01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 3: amazing Americans go on and do some great things for

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01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 3: your country instead of being on the streets and taking

1287
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 3: drugs and trying to figure.

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Speaker 2: Out It seems like everything that you just described right there, Brian,

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Speaker 2: and even hearing the things out that you said, like

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01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 2: you know, these homes that are out there in Florida

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01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 2: for the veterans, like I'm for that. I've always said

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01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 2: veterans and teachers get fucking treated the worst in our

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01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 2: country for doing so much for our country. Right, Yeah,

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01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 2: those are like the two people that I just I

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01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 2: grouped them together like Doug in my opinion, Joe Lopez's opinion,

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Speaker 2: I look at teachers and veterans like damn man. These

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01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 2: teachers don't get paid enough. These veterans don't get paid

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01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 2: enough for doing what they've done. But as you say that,

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Speaker 2: with the experience that our government that our country has had,

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01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 2: what you just described should be mandatory when you come out,

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01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 2: just like the CIA does, and hopefully the FBI incorporated that.

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01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 2: That was a great story that you said, what they

1303
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: do on these check ins, I didn't even realize that.

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01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I believe now even looking at that, every

1305
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 2: group needs a quote unquote sponsor that checks in on

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01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 2: them constantly every other week, month, drop in whatever it is,

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01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 2: until in until forever.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, and because there's no ending to this, And Joe,

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01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 7: I'll challenge everyone out there listening, look at the benefits

1310
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 7: a member of Congress gets, even they just serve one term,

1311
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 7: what they get for the rest of their lives versus

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01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 7: what a veteran.

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01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 2: We're sitting in a fucking suit in a building with

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01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: a nice everything. We're a literallysh fruit and everything else.

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01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 2: When they go into the building there.

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Speaker 3: Maybe just for twenty four months, they might just be

1317
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 3: a congress person. They did twenty four they one term

1318
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 3: and to get out. Look at what they get paid

1319
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 3: for rest of their life. It will blow you away.

1320
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 3: And yet we got men and women who went and

1321
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 3: fought wars that you sent them to Congress, and yet

1322
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 3: you're kind of neglecting them on the back end, but you're.

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01:09:58,479 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 1: Taking care of it.

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01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: And they'll say, well, they signed up for that, they

1325
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 2: know what they're doing exact Yeah, and you signed up

1326
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 2: for that too, Oh well I signed up for the

1327
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 2: better one. No, we need to take care more people. Yeah,

1328
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 2: we need to take care of our people that went

1329
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 2: out there and are suffering, and we need to allow

1330
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: them to use cannabis's medicine. We need to allow them

1331
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: to have access to everything that you guys have been

1332
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 2: describing for more people. And how does that message get

1333
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 2: to the congressman? How does someone listening going, You guys

1334
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 2: are right, What can we do to make this happen?

1335
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 3: You need more veterans going to Congress. I mean I

1336
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 3: really think that would be an answer. Unfortunately, I think

1337
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 3: every not everyone, but people going there probably with the

1338
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 3: right mindset. But ultimately you're gonna get corrupted. It's not

1339
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 3: people who get you elected.

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01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for you to get corrupted because you've been

1341
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,759
Speaker 2: going for a while. You keep coming back pretty normal,

1342
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 2: Like I see you pitchers and this and that. Well

1343
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 2: you come back with stories, Joe, they want me to

1344
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: do this, they want me to do that.

1345
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for you to like, well out, But it's

1346
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 3: it's that's the thing. It's like I had a person

1347
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 3: bring up that they wanted to have me run for

1348
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 3: Congress and they're like, hey, we'll get blank million dollars

1349
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 3: behind you and you'll be in. And you're like, oh, okay, cool,

1350
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 3: But then you actually think about what do you mean,

1351
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 3: Like how many millions of favors do I owe at

1352
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 3: that point if people are putting money behind me, And

1353
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 3: that's where you're seeing a lot of things, Like you know,

1354
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say about like a George Sorows people

1355
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 3: talk about him and how much impact he has on

1356
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 3: I think Elon must had a great interview on the

1357
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 3: Latest Joe Rogan where he talked about the worst thing

1358
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 3: to donate to is a presidential race and then it

1359
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 3: goes to Senate and in Congress. Because it costs a

1360
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 3: lot of money, you don't really get your bang for

1361
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 3: your buck. But if you go into the local governments

1362
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:32,759
Speaker 3: and start throwing money in there and you start getting

1363
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 3: DA's elected and things like that, and you want them

1364
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 3: to change things that we're seeing in San Francisco, we're

1365
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 3: seeing in Los Angeles, that's where you get your big

1366
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 3: bang for your buck. But you're making that investment in there.

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01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 3: So again, it's just kind of there's a.

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Speaker 2: Lot to good and that's a good point.

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01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 3: I like that actually, So there's things to think about there.

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01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 3: And but at the end of the day, I think

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01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,799
Speaker 3: veterans we all have this sheep dog mentality. I always

1372
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 3: talk about the sheep dog and the wolf. Both are scary,

1373
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 3: both are big, both at bangs, both are built of kill.

1374
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 4: Well.

1375
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 3: The difference between the two is the wolf will try

1376
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 3: to kill the flock. The sheep dog will do whatever

1377
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 3: has to do to protect the flock. And that's why

1378
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 3: I think of men and women when they serve our country,

1379
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 3: they're sheep dogs. So ultimately, if we could get more

1380
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 3: veterans into Congress, and you're seeing some of them take

1381
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 3: on like the Brian mass of the world. You know,

1382
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 3: he's a disabled veteran. I think he's a double amputee.

1383
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 3: He's co sponsoring and he's a Republican's co sponsoring a

1384
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 3: lot of cannabis legislation. We need more Republicans like that, please. Yeah,

1385
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 3: you got guys. You know, you got Dan Crenshaw who's

1386
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 3: working on a lot of psychedelic stuff. It was a

1387
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 3: Navy seal. So when you get these vets in there

1388
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 3: who've like, hey, I've been there and done that, and

1389
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 3: this stuff's working, not the pills that you're jamming down

1390
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 3: our throats. I think that can help and hopefully it

1391
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 3: gets more relief to what al saying. You know, put

1392
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: them in a home for a year if that's what

1393
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 3: they need, because ultimately, too, there needs to be an

1394
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 3: interview process. It's just like what you you know, the

1395
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 3: Twelve Steps. My buddy who helps me out with my nonprofit,

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01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 3: he's a recovering addict and we one time had a

1397
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 3: vet just kind of do a crazy ivan on us

1398
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 3: and just take off and one to leave rehab and

1399
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 3: I'm getting all upset and he's like, hey, you popped

1400
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 3: your cherry and I'm like, what do you mean. He's like,

1401
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,600
Speaker 3: that's what happens. Yeah, He's like, dude, he's like the

1402
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 3: third step I think it was. He's like, it's the real,

1403
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 3: it's real. It's like, you've got to look at yourself

1404
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 3: that every decision in your life you made have got

1405
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 3: you to this point. Now you need help, and if

1406
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: you don't want to help yourself, no one else can

1407
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 3: help you. So I think that's the thing where Al's

1408
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 3: talking about they had such high rate of turnover because

1409
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 3: these bets are like, hey, I just need to take

1410
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 3: a knee for a little bit, get a little relief,

1411
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 3: a little guidance, and I'm out of here. I don't

1412
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 3: want to be in some shelter and have people take care.

1413
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I want to go fight my own fight

1414
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 3: and do some good. It's the people who take on

1415
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 3: that dictum mentality that's where you're going to have a

1416
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,799
Speaker 3: little problem with oh what was me? All that stuff,

1417
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 3: But that you don't find that veterans they're sheep dogs.

1418
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,520
Speaker 3: They want to go out and do some good.

1419
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully we can get some more good set around

1420
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 2: this country because what you described in Florida, I would

1421
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 2: love to see around the country, which is you know,

1422
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 2: apartment styles like that one bedroom, one bath, boom. Here's

1423
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 2: a chow hall almost like you know, the dorms in

1424
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 2: a college, so to speak. And we should treat our

1425
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 2: veterans like that and allow them to have that, and

1426
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: allow cannabis to be there. And you know, not that

1427
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 2: we should eliminate the alcohol there, but they should be.

1428
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 2: You know, monitor it's a little bit going, hey, guys,

1429
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 2: we can have twelve step meetings here as well. We

1430
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 2: could have this meeting there, that meeting there, because I

1431
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 2: truly believe that our veterans need the help and the cannabis,

1432
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 2: the psychedelics, they're all helping and it's proven out there.

1433
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 2: It's not like we're just sitting here making it up

1434
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 2: like we have a fucking company. Well you do, but

1435
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 2: that you know, look at how by my company. No,

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01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, HVGC is a company. They're giving all

1437
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 2: their profits back to the people exactly. So it's not like,

1438
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 2: you know, hey, this is what we're trying to do.

1439
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,839
Speaker 2: But if you do want to support a company, HVGC

1440
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 2: is supporting vets, you guys. I mean, Brian's been doing

1441
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: it for a long time, and so has Gelato out

1442
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 2: there helping the companies do the same thing. Gelatto is

1443
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 2: a parent helping Brian with this company. And I shout

1444
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 2: out to those guys over there because they're so quiet

1445
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 2: about what they do that they don't even want the recognition,

1446
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 2: and I got to give it to them when it's like, no, Dog,

1447
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: I gotta say your name sometimes because people don't really

1448
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 2: what you're doing to help VET. Yeah, exactly, which is

1449
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 2: even funnier and weirder and whatever. Like they're like, I

1450
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 2: don't say that, I'm not no Gelatto, thank you. A

1451
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 2: company like Gelato does more for VET, you guys than

1452
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 2: you can ever imagine. And that's a fact. So Al,

1453
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: we're gonna take off now. Is there anything else that

1454
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 2: you want to say and share. I'm sure we could

1455
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 2: talk for another hour or so, but I just want

1456
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 2: to say Happy Veterans Day to everybody out there, and Al,

1457
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,560
Speaker 2: you are such a blessing to talk to your stories

1458
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,759
Speaker 2: your book once again. Folks, order it on Amazon today.

1459
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 2: It could be delivered for country and cannabis by al

1460
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 2: Burn him and his two lovely dogs there. What are

1461
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:38,799
Speaker 2: the dog's names, By the way.

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01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 4: Their military and ads. One is called Gallant, you know,

1463
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 4: like a gallant ship. And the other one, the female

1464
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 4: is I called her Courage. She's a Gola retriever. The

1465
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 4: usually have eight or ten or twelve puppies, and she

1466
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,759
Speaker 4: came in as an only child, so it takes courage

1467
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 4: to go along, and so I named it Courage.

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01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 2: Nice beautiful names, beautiful dog. You're a beautiful man. Thank

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01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 2: you so much, Al for joining us again today and

1470
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 2: coming on the show. And folks go out there read

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01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: the book. As Al's been supporting cannabis. It's his dad

1472
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 2: had it back in nineteen sixty seven. He's a believer

1473
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,919
Speaker 2: in this medicine. He's lost family members, he's lost soldiers,

1474
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 2: he's lost friends as well as all of us over

1475
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 2: here has as well. So you know, like they said,

1476
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 2: you want to support it, go to your local government.

1477
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 2: Start there, and of course, encourage other veterans to do

1478
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 2: the same with Congress, because Brian, I think that was

1479
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 2: a key point right there on how we can do that,

1480
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 2: encourage the veterans to get up and speak up by it.

1481
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 2: Brian is one of those guys that goes out and

1482
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,759
Speaker 2: does this, So I mean you can see Brian Buckley.

1483
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,839
Speaker 2: Follow him on Instagram.

1484
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 3: At Brian buck Lee zero nine.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Cannabis Talk one on one

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Speaker 1: with Blue with Joe Brondey, the world's number one source

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Speaker 1: for everything cannabis.

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Speaker 3: And make sure you like following. Some bride did Cannabis

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Speaker 3: Talking one on one now

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm